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Speaker 1: was a presidential kidnapping and assassination video. It showed a

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Speaker 1: flatbed of the truck. And the video was posted by

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Speaker 1: threat to everyone and everything in this country and from

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Speaker 1: whom It is not an unrealistic extrapolation to conclude that

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Speaker 1: that was a stochastic attempt to get Joe Biden president

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Speaker 1: of the United States, kidnapped or assassinated, a stochastic attempt

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Speaker 1: at assassination by Trump, and it was part of an

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Speaker 1: Photos of the daughter of the judge and his trial

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Speaker 1: that case. There were more Trump comparisons of himself to Christ.

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Speaker 1: One article literally headlined the crucifixion of Trump, another titled

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Speaker 1: something supernatural is happening with Trump and by the way,

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Speaker 1: Trump is competing with his own soon to be disbarred

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Speaker 1: portrayed him as Christ. Over Easter weekend as well. There

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Speaker 1: were more than one hundred posts of vengeance and hate

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Speaker 1: an ex New York cop now Long Island congressman with

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Speaker 1: It all makes me again. Ask a chilling question I

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Speaker 1: first posed months ago. Had any of Trump's various coup

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Speaker 1: December or next January, should any of them succeed? Exactly?

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Speaker 1: What is Trump's plan or what are the plans of

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Speaker 1: their plans for the actual president He usurps when he

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Speaker 1: do in twenty twenty, in a legal fashion, in an

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Speaker 1: and success. You have a problem. You have the rightfully

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Speaker 1: democratically chosen president elect, and you detain him, You keep

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Speaker 1: him in communicado, you try him for fabricated crimes because

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Speaker 1: ensues this upcoming election. Biden wins by four electoral votes

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Speaker 1: or four hundred electoral votes, and Trump cries fraud, and

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Speaker 1: his mob believes him, or pretends to it no longer

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Speaker 1: matters which, and Trump finds sufficient muscle in the militias

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Speaker 1: with Joe Biden. Well, this weekend past has finally given

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Speaker 1: Trump has now conveyed to his paramilitary squads, his he

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Speaker 1: them to go after Judge and garn not Judge Merschan,

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Speaker 1: a lot of pickup trucks. See, there was one pickup

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Speaker 1: And there are Kristin Welker and NBC News and most

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Speaker 1: another story nobody covered. It was another up here we

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Speaker 1: The American Conservative New Issue, Trump twenty twenty eight subhead,

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Speaker 1: Seet then there was the joky animation of a Trump

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Speaker 1: it is lost. The author's name is Peter. His last

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Speaker 1: u e t t E writes with some success about films.

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Speaker 1: My not inconsiderable research in that field suggests his name

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Speaker 1: hope that, given his self congratulatory anti constitutional fascism, Peter

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Speaker 1: pronounces his name Peter toungue it. Two bits of bookkeeping

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Speaker 1: before we resume. Hey, NBC News has just hired Peter Tungett.

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Speaker 1: I've got a routine medical procedure or later this week.

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Speaker 1: It may lead to the canceling or shortening of the

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Speaker 1: Thursday and Friday episodes. More likely just the shortening. I'll see.

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Speaker 1: the other news. The first quarter numbers are in between

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Speaker 1: seven million, four hundred and sixty four hundred and eighty three.

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Speaker 1: Good work out of you. That's actual watches and listens

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Speaker 1: figures for those of you who drift in and out

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Speaker 1: put out on Twitter. X okay, back to the actual content.

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Speaker 1: Also of interest here, there are so many candidates for

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Speaker 1: worse persons in the world. I had to give out

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Speaker 1: insisted that Barack Obama is the grandson of Adolf Hitler.

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Speaker 1: And then there are the real schmucks. That Roni McDaniel

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Speaker 1: scandal continues at NBC News, the McDaniel scandal, and the

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Speaker 1: clear Fall Guy. All the arrows are pointing Tory him.

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Speaker 1: The clear Fall Guy is going to be the chairman

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Speaker 1: of NBC News, says our Conde, which means, as I

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Speaker 1: tell you the story, you can call me brutus. That's next.

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Speaker 1: This is Countdown. This is Countdown with Keith Oldwoman still

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Speaker 1: ahead of is on this all new edition of Countdown.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing if the wheels come off at a

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Speaker 1: place like NBC News, but it's quite another when the

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Speaker 1: wheels require more than a full week to come off

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Speaker 1: at a place like NBC News, especially if you don't

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Speaker 1: like NBC News, And I'll now reveal a secret nobody

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Speaker 1: knows don't like NBC News. What that isn't a secret? Oops?

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Speaker 1: There is an executive there named Sezar Kande. He is

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Speaker 1: in charge of NBC News and because of the Rana

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Speaker 1: McDaniel scandal, he has now been given a suit with

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Speaker 1: a big target on the back after how he treated

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Speaker 1: me good. He'd be the fourth head of NBC News.

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Speaker 1: I have outlasted one of them. I outlasted then he

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Speaker 1: came back, and I outlasted him again. Things I promised

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Speaker 1: not to tell next First, still more idiots to talk about,

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Speaker 1: the daily roundup of the misgrants, morons and Dunning Kruger

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Speaker 1: effect specimens who constitute today's worst persons in the world.

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Speaker 1: And I want to welcome you to something historic. Often

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Speaker 1: I have squeezed in more than just three winners, more

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Speaker 1: of morons meriting, nay demanding recognition in this is so

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Speaker 1: vast that I am, for the first and maybe last time,

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Speaker 1: expanding the award. And the awards stand to hold not three,

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Speaker 1: not four, not six, but eight different medal winners. Ladies,

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen. To quote past winner Jeff Zucker the supersized

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Speaker 1: edition of the Worst Persons in the World. In eighth place,

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Speaker 1: the ten award winner, New York City Mayor Eric Adams.

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Speaker 1: God isn't his term over yet? Plan number three million

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Speaker 1: to improve the subways, because the only one that worked

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Speaker 1: that have having the cops on the subways, sometimes in

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Speaker 1: that because of unions. Plan number three million is state

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Speaker 1: of the art weapons scanners. This is our sput Nieck moment,

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Speaker 1: said our mayor who fades in and out of this

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Speaker 1: plane of existence. When Kennedy said we're going to put

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Speaker 1: a man on the moon, let's bring on the scanners first, Mayor.

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Speaker 1: They're scanners. If there are anything like Apollo's spacecraft and

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Speaker 1: we're going to the Moon in them, they aren't going

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Speaker 1: to be of much use because they will not stay

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Speaker 1: in one place. Plus, each time you switch them on,

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Speaker 1: they're going to generate seven million, six hundred thousand pounds

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Speaker 1: if you're standing next to one of them. Also, I

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Speaker 1: can never tell what Adams knows and what he doesn't,

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Speaker 1: But it sure sounds like he thinks that the American

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Speaker 1: Moon mission is the same thing as Sputnik, the satellite

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Speaker 1: the first to orbit the Earth, which was put up

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Speaker 1: by Russia in nineteen fifty seven, the Communists. So when

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Speaker 1: he says this is our Sputnik moment, he's saying this

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Speaker 1: is our communism. I don't know, does he know Sputnik

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Speaker 1: was not American? Just mention it to him. Somebody mentioned

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Speaker 1: it to him, all lay odds of five to three.

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Speaker 1: The mayor then says, Nick, who in seventh place? Your

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Speaker 1: Aluminum Award winner? Roseanne bar used to be funny, used

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Speaker 1: to not be particularly crazy. Then came that off key

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Speaker 1: crotch grabbing national anthem at the San Diego Padres game,

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Speaker 1: which was discovered by my producer at Channel two in

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Speaker 1: La Ron Grelnick by the way, And so for the

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Speaker 1: last thirty four years it's been a dice roll with

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Speaker 1: Roseanne her newest submission from yesterday, and man waiting Mari

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Speaker 1: Lagow to help support the Great Carrie Lake. No, I'm

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Speaker 1: really seeing this, the Great Carrie Lake. We must try

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Speaker 1: to vote our way out of this Roseanne writes for

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Speaker 1: at least one last year, and then if that doesn't

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Speaker 1: work seventeen seventy six, unquote, I'm just going to skip

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Speaker 1: the idea that Carrie Lake, a fired weathercaster who has

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Speaker 1: never held elected office nor come close to winning one,

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Speaker 1: is great at something other than camera filters. My concern

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Speaker 1: here is that little threat at the end of a

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Speaker 1: quote seventeen seventy six, which would be an armed revolution

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Speaker 1: against the duly elected, and she, in fact, in her

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Speaker 1: theorem here makes it a just re elected government of

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Speaker 1: the United States, apart from that being, you know, an

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Speaker 1: illegal threat see pickup trucks, Roseanne, Roseanne, I do have

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Speaker 1: one question about your seventeen seventy six plan. If you

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Speaker 1: lose the next election, who has all the tanks? Roseanne

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Speaker 1: by Felicia the Palladium Award for sixth place me for

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Speaker 1: a really mean joke. The New York Post put out

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Speaker 1: that quote Trump ordered two hundred dollars worth of burgers

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Speaker 1: from Long Island drive in for flight home after NYPD

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Speaker 1: officers wake, and my response was, what did everybody else have?

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Speaker 1: I understood that not only did he eat all of

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Speaker 1: those burgers, he didn't even take off the Rappers first

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Speaker 1: fifth place, the Zinc Medal to the New York Yankees

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Speaker 1: as part of this continuing melding of pro sports and gambling,

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Speaker 1: which is going real well, ask show Hey Otani. On

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Speaker 1: opening night of the baseball season, on the team Twitter account,

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Speaker 1: the New York Yankees posted a video highlight of a

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Speaker 1: picture of theirs named Nestor Cortes and it read quote

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Speaker 1: Nestor settled in plus one twelve to record five plus

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Speaker 1: k's odds from fd sportsbook. I recognize those as words

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Speaker 1: and letters in the English alphabet, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: what a name of it means. And this is happening

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Speaker 1: while the rest of baseball had suddenly realized. Wait wait, wait,

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Speaker 1: wait wait, Otani's interpreter got access to Otani's bank account

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Speaker 1: dollars nine different times. And Otani didn't know, and Otani's

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Speaker 1: business agent didn't know, and Otani's bookkeepers didn't know, and

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Speaker 1: Otani's investment team didn't know, and Otani's banker didn't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe baseball could lighten up on the gambling hype until

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Speaker 1: we figure out how bad the Otani gambling scandal is

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Speaker 1: because whether or not he placed any of the bets,

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Speaker 1: it's still the Otani gambling scandal. How'd the guy get

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Speaker 1: four and a half million dollars out of Otani's bank account?

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Speaker 1: The Copper fourth place Representative Mike Turner of Ohio. This

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Speaker 1: sentence structure that Turner used is now the main escape

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Speaker 1: patch for Republicans who want to deny that they are

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Speaker 1: at all responsible for Trump turning their party into a whorehouse.

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Speaker 1: I should say, a bigger whorehouse. CBS asked Turner about

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Speaker 1: Trump scamming the Gullible with his sixty dollars inscribed Trump mcbibles,

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Speaker 1: and Turner answered, quote, you know, I haven't really seen that.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm more concerned about the White House restricting

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Speaker 1: the ability of children to put religious symbols on Easter eggs. Clever,

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Speaker 1: Mike Turner. Clever what about his nonsense? But given that

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Speaker 1: the rule you tried to hit Biden with has been

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Speaker 1: in place since nineteen seven, you'll need to go ask

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Speaker 1: the Gerald Ford White House about this, and the Ronald

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Speaker 1: Reagan White House in the hw Bush White House about it,

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Speaker 1: and W's White House about it, oh, and the Trump

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Speaker 1: White House about it. Because they did it too, in

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Speaker 1: which case I assume Congressman Turner has his next pivot already,

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Speaker 1: the Trump White House restricting the ability of children to

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Speaker 1: put religious symbols on Easter eggs. You know, I haven't

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Speaker 1: really seen that. Trump could be executing labor leaders on

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Speaker 1: the White House lawn, and these Republican monkeys would claim

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Speaker 1: they had not seen it or heard about it, or

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Speaker 1: didn't know anything about those heads rolling down Pennsylvania Avenue

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Speaker 1: from the Guillotine Center at the Place de la Concord,

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Speaker 1: the Bronze We're almost done worse. Well, how in the

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Speaker 1: hell do you not see this coming? Trump? Media? This

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Speaker 1: is your classic pump and dump. Stock, the company that

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Speaker 1: owns Truth Social could be renamed Trump's ID. The company

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Speaker 1: is worth nearly seven bills million dollars, so it goes

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Speaker 1: public and on day one of trading it stock reports

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three revenue of four million dollars, but losses

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Speaker 1: of fifty eight million dollars, and the stock drops by

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Speaker 1: twenty percent before lunch, and the company is now worth

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Speaker 1: not seven billion dollars, but six billion dollars. Trump in

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Speaker 1: a scam, The silver worser Michelle Morrow Republican nominee for

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Speaker 1: state superintendent of Schools in North Carolina, possibly the worst

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Speaker 1: major candidate the Republicans have ever pulled out of whichever

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Speaker 1: sewer they found her in. She's qan on. I've already

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Speaker 1: mentioned she believes Jim Carrey drinks the blood of children

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Speaker 1: to look younger, which raises the obvious question, wait, you

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Speaker 1: think Jim Carrey looks younger? There is, though a new

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Speaker 1: high in Michelle Morrow Low. Media Matters says she has

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Speaker 1: been a self proclaimed spokesperson for a bag of nut

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Speaker 1: rocks called Liberty First Grassroots, one of whose Facebook postings

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Speaker 1: about President Obama in twenty twenty read quote Hitler bloodlines

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Speaker 1: Allegedly Hitler is Obama's grandfather, show who Barack really was

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Speaker 1: and everything he did in his presidency will be null

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Speaker 1: and void unquote. A reminder, there's an easy fix here.

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Speaker 1: What involves superintendents of schools and changing degree requirements and

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Speaker 1: not woke in college. Other states simply must stop accepting

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Speaker 1: North Carolina high school and college degrees as being sufficient

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Speaker 1: for admission to higher education in their states. And yes,

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Speaker 1: I know I'm talking about education, and I just said sufficient.

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Speaker 1: That guy has fum vienna sufficient. But now to our

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Speaker 1: winner the worst Charles Johnson, owner of baseball San Francisco Giants.

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Speaker 1: Twenty years ago, the Giants sold fans high to be

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Speaker 1: placed in the walkway across the cove from their wonderful

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Speaker 1: ballpark in San Francisco. Most fans put the names of

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Speaker 1: loved ones on the tiles, often deceased parents, often parents

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Speaker 1: who have died in the twenty years since. For the

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Speaker 1: last four years, purchasers have not been able to see

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00:45:21,755 --> 00:45:25,635
Speaker 1: these often memorial tiles because the area, which features a

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Speaker 1: statue of San Francisco Giants Great Willie mccubby, also a

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Speaker 1: former Padre star, has been under construction reconstruction. The good news,

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Speaker 1: the McCovey statue is in great shape and looks wonderful.

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Speaker 1: The bad news, tile owners got an email from the

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Speaker 1: Giants that informs them, Oops, all the tiles have been destroyed.

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Speaker 1: Quote a digital version of your tile message from the

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Speaker 1: original park will be showcased via a kiosk nearby the

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Speaker 1: McCovey statue. Translation, so, no more tiles, but we can

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Speaker 1: show you a picture of what your tile of your

657
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Speaker 1: dead mother used to look like before we destroyed it.

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Speaker 1: Over there in that booth, but not anytime soon. More

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Speaker 1: of the email. We will provide another update with more

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Speaker 1: details once the feature is installed. The Giants tell the

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Speaker 1: San Francisco Chronicle they think the kiosk for viewing the

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Speaker 1: destroyed memorial tiles will be opened this season. Or maybe not,

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Speaker 1: or given the giants recent string of public relations gaps,

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Speaker 1: maybe never. Who knows, It's hard to say. The owner

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Speaker 1: of the San Francisco Giants, Charles, Sorry, we destroyed your tile,

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Speaker 1: your mini headstone of your dead parent. But here's a

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Speaker 1: picture of it. Wait, no picture. Check back with us

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Speaker 1: later June. Try September, just to be sure. Make it

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Speaker 1: next year. Johnson two days worst person in the world

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Speaker 1: that I nearly listened everybody in the world to the

671
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Speaker 1: number one story on as I keep hyping this all

672
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Speaker 1: new edition of Countdown. And while it is absolutely true

673
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Speaker 1: that my favorite topic is me, my next favorite topic

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Speaker 1: is disasters at NBC News. Nowhere else have I worked

675
00:47:30,035 --> 00:47:33,875
Speaker 1: and kid, I've worked for all of them. Nowhere else

676
00:47:33,955 --> 00:47:36,915
Speaker 1: is there such a culture of ingratitude, one that dates

677
00:47:36,995 --> 00:47:39,795
Speaker 1: back generations like the one there is at NBC News.

678
00:47:40,515 --> 00:47:44,155
Speaker 1: I have watched executives who built the place erased by

679
00:47:44,275 --> 00:47:47,675
Speaker 1: journeymen whose only skill is claiming for themselves the work

680
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Speaker 1: of their predecessors and betters. I've watched inadvertently helped on

681
00:47:53,115 --> 00:47:57,635
Speaker 1: air Frankenstinian ego monsters who will talk to mere mortal

682
00:47:57,675 --> 00:48:01,555
Speaker 1: reporters about themselves for their own publicity only if their

683
00:48:01,595 --> 00:48:05,955
Speaker 1: origin stories are not addressed those who got them started

684
00:48:06,035 --> 00:48:10,435
Speaker 1: even mentioned. So as NBC News continues, it's second week

685
00:48:10,795 --> 00:48:14,715
Speaker 1: falling down the proverbial Homer Simpson cliff over the Rana

686
00:48:14,835 --> 00:48:20,075
Speaker 1: McDaniel scandal, the McDaniel hiring, and the knives come out

687
00:48:20,115 --> 00:48:23,795
Speaker 1: for the latest guy running the place. I smile quietly

688
00:48:23,835 --> 00:48:28,435
Speaker 1: to myself. And when I say I smile quietly, I

689
00:48:28,555 --> 00:48:36,955
Speaker 1: mean I roar with laughter so profound I strained muscles.

690
00:48:38,795 --> 00:48:43,475
Speaker 1: On social media, someone identifying as Rose of Texas made

691
00:48:43,515 --> 00:48:48,475
Speaker 1: me roar with such muscles straining laughter. She wrote, Rona

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00:48:48,595 --> 00:48:52,715
Speaker 1: McDaniel can still be an MSNBC contributor if Mike Pence

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00:48:52,795 --> 00:48:59,475
Speaker 1: has courage. I dealt with this. Saesar Conde, the chairman

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Speaker 1: of NBC News, who is clearly the one who's going

695
00:49:01,915 --> 00:49:04,235
Speaker 1: off the cliff when this is over, not that they

696
00:49:04,235 --> 00:49:07,155
Speaker 1: haven't all fallen off the cliff. I dealt with Caesar

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Speaker 1: Conde during the conversations to bring me back to resume

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Speaker 1: Countdown on MSNBC either at eight pm or as mad

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Speaker 1: Ow's caddy, four nights a week at nine Those started

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00:49:16,795 --> 00:49:21,155
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. They stretched wearily across the pandemic. They

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Speaker 1: lasted into late summer twenty twenty one, and they were

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00:49:24,235 --> 00:49:27,235
Speaker 1: highlighted by one day towards the end, when the new

703
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Speaker 1: CEO of NBC Universal, Jeff Shell, an old friend from

704
00:49:30,915 --> 00:49:33,995
Speaker 1: my sports days at Fox, finally got his new news

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Speaker 1: chairman this Conday to pay attention to his own job

706
00:49:37,515 --> 00:49:40,275
Speaker 1: for an hour and to meet me to talk the

707
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Speaker 1: admittedly delicate process to try to make this happen. There

708
00:49:43,875 --> 00:49:48,395
Speaker 1: were lots of drawbacks, but getting MSNBC viewers it had hemorrhaged,

709
00:49:48,675 --> 00:49:51,955
Speaker 1: and profits it had hemorrhaged even faster, those were not

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Speaker 1: among the problems AnyWho. On the afternoon of October eight,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, Conday's assistant emailed me to set up breakfast.

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Speaker 1: Would a week to the day be good eight thirty am.

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00:50:03,835 --> 00:50:07,955
Speaker 1: I said yes, it would. As I said, there were obstacles,

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Speaker 1: obvious obstacles I was going to have to overcome. There

715
00:50:11,355 --> 00:50:13,195
Speaker 1: was going to have to be a certain amount of

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Speaker 1: tail between the legs here for old Keith, and I

717
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Speaker 1: was not playing hard to get. If his assistant had said,

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Speaker 1: let's meet at three point thirty in the morning, I

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Speaker 1: would have said, damn dy, I like to get up early.

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Speaker 1: Seven minutes later, she suggested the bar at a place

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Speaker 1: called the Whitby Hotel for October fifteenth, kind of equidistant

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Speaker 1: between me and thirty rock. At the risk of repeating myself,

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Speaker 1: I said, dandy. One minute later she replied with apologies,

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Speaker 1: Sezar has a tentative trip that week. That was the

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Speaker 1: next week. This was a Friday. She just discovered that

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Speaker 1: he was going to go away the next week. Let

727
00:50:50,875 --> 00:50:53,235
Speaker 1: me get back to you, she wrote. This is email

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Speaker 1: number five over a twenty four minute span, which Conde's

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Speaker 1: office had itself initiated, and she has just noticed, oh,

730
00:51:02,675 --> 00:51:04,635
Speaker 1: this thing we've been talking about for twenty four minutes,

731
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Speaker 1: he's out of town. And by the way, they never

732
00:51:08,235 --> 00:51:11,395
Speaker 1: did get back to me. Mark Shapiro, who negotiated madows

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Speaker 1: thirty one million dollar MSNBC deal, told me the next

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Speaker 1: week that she had found out about the breakfast, and

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Speaker 1: Condey had then canceled it. Eighteen months later, Conde's boss,

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Speaker 1: my old friend, Jeff Shell, was fired for prolonged sexual harassment,

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Speaker 1: no severance pay, didn't get a dime, started to sue.

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Speaker 1: Drop the suit. Now just under a year after that,

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Speaker 1: after the Rona McDaniel scandal, Puck News reports that the

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Speaker 1: consensus within NBC and NBC News, and more importantly, within Comcast,

741
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Speaker 1: which owns it, is that the McDaniel fiasco transpired because

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Speaker 1: Seesar Conde was too busy devoting himself to his primary

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Speaker 1: professional interest, which is Seesar Conde, to quote Puck. In

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Speaker 1: the context of the McDaniel mess, remembrances of Conde's extracurricular

745
00:52:02,155 --> 00:52:05,995
Speaker 1: activities have caused journalists at both ENDS News and MSNBC

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Speaker 1: to once again question their boss and whether one of

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00:52:09,155 --> 00:52:14,315
Speaker 1: America's most storied news organizations should really be run by

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Speaker 1: someone who seems to prioritize his personal and professional advancement

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Speaker 1: over the concerns of the news division. He leads, quote,

750
00:52:22,715 --> 00:52:26,435
Speaker 1: it's clear he's using the perks of the job for himself.

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00:52:26,955 --> 00:52:30,635
Speaker 1: One NBC News veteran told me, is it for corporate

752
00:52:30,675 --> 00:52:35,715
Speaker 1: purposes or political purposes? I don't know what I do

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00:52:35,875 --> 00:52:43,835
Speaker 1: know is it's never been about us? Unquote. I'll repeat

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Speaker 1: myself from last week. Good night, sayes Arcande, wherever you are,

755
00:52:50,195 --> 00:52:52,155
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're trying to answer the question,

756
00:52:52,195 --> 00:52:54,555
Speaker 1: wherever is he? If it's me, I'm checking the bar

757
00:52:54,595 --> 00:52:58,995
Speaker 1: at that Whitby hotel. First, it's been two and a

758
00:52:59,035 --> 00:53:00,915
Speaker 1: half years. Do you think Olberman will ever show up

759
00:53:00,955 --> 00:53:04,515
Speaker 1: for breakfast? In my decade at NBC, I worked for

760
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Speaker 1: five different MSNBC chiefs. It was the good guy Mark

761
00:53:09,195 --> 00:53:11,635
Speaker 1: Harrington who got sick. I barely got to know him.

762
00:53:12,555 --> 00:53:14,915
Speaker 1: They hired me without telling him while he was out

763
00:53:14,955 --> 00:53:18,955
Speaker 1: sick getting chemotherapy. The next guy who got my support

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00:53:18,995 --> 00:53:21,035
Speaker 1: for the job, he was an old friend by promising

765
00:53:21,075 --> 00:53:23,875
Speaker 1: me he would let me leave MSNBC while he was

766
00:53:23,915 --> 00:53:25,795
Speaker 1: promising the folks at thirty Rock that were going to

767
00:53:25,875 --> 00:53:28,955
Speaker 1: hire him that he would get me to stay. Then

768
00:53:28,995 --> 00:53:31,755
Speaker 1: there was the six foot five guy who lied to

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Speaker 1: say he was six foot seven, who did not have

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Speaker 1: cable in his home. Then they fired him, and they

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00:53:37,835 --> 00:53:41,555
Speaker 1: promoted the moron anchor who they made general manager, who

772
00:53:41,555 --> 00:53:45,115
Speaker 1: believed that the key was his pet advertising slogan keeping

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00:53:45,155 --> 00:53:49,875
Speaker 1: it Real, which was ironic given his hair and then

774
00:53:50,155 --> 00:53:52,955
Speaker 1: there was my first producer in TV, who had spent

775
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Speaker 1: the preceding year telling me nobody would ever watch a

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Speaker 1: woman do the news, let alone a gay woman, and

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Speaker 1: who was now president of her production company. At the

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Speaker 1: same time I worked for these five idiots, I worked

779
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Speaker 1: for three different NBC News chiefs in reverse order. They

780
00:54:09,795 --> 00:54:14,075
Speaker 1: were the hysteric whose boss said she fired him after

781
00:54:14,155 --> 00:54:15,915
Speaker 1: he told her to her face that he would never

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Speaker 1: accept direction from a woman boss. Before him, there was

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Speaker 1: the well meaning president who wanted me to do a

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00:54:22,195 --> 00:54:25,435
Speaker 1: show called Countdown because he liked the name, but he

785
00:54:25,475 --> 00:54:28,075
Speaker 1: really didn't have any other ideas for it. And then

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Speaker 1: the guy before him, the original guy, Andy Lack, after

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Speaker 1: Andy Lack, who had left to go run Sony into

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Speaker 1: the ground. After Andy Lack returned to running NBC News

789
00:54:39,915 --> 00:54:42,875
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, I negotiated with him for about a

790
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Speaker 1: year to go back and do Countdown there as well.

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00:54:46,715 --> 00:54:49,035
Speaker 1: This was the running theme of a decade with me

792
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Speaker 1: in MSNBC. But he had a few provisos. He was

793
00:54:55,275 --> 00:54:57,395
Speaker 1: the one who wanted me to return to MSNBC. He

794
00:54:57,475 --> 00:55:00,395
Speaker 1: offered me a job on MSNBC, a show called The

795
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Speaker 1: Last Word. He offered me the show, just as long

796
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Speaker 1: as I he did not do any commentaries or cover

797
00:55:08,195 --> 00:55:12,035
Speaker 1: any politics, and just as long as I had a

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Speaker 1: co anchor, a conservative co anchor, and just as long

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Speaker 1: as I moved to LA even though I could see

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Speaker 1: thirty Rock out my apartment window. Andy Lack reminds me

801
00:55:26,795 --> 00:55:30,995
Speaker 1: a lot of Saesar Coonde. Not styles, not personalities. They

802
00:55:30,995 --> 00:55:33,915
Speaker 1: could not have been more different, except in one vital area.

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00:55:34,475 --> 00:55:40,755
Speaker 1: Their job was themselves. I saw Andy Lack about a

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00:55:40,835 --> 00:55:43,875
Speaker 1: year ago, walked right past him on the block where

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Speaker 1: I lived. As usual, I heard Andy Lack before I

806
00:55:48,435 --> 00:55:51,835
Speaker 1: saw him. I met him first in nineteen ninety seven

807
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Speaker 1: and spoke to him on the phone a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: and realized he was another one of those people you

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00:55:55,555 --> 00:56:01,755
Speaker 1: could hear without actually using the phone. Married to this

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00:56:01,955 --> 00:56:05,755
Speaker 1: foghorn is his utter fascination with himself. As I saw

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00:56:05,835 --> 00:56:07,635
Speaker 1: him approach from the east as my dog and I

812
00:56:07,715 --> 00:56:10,075
Speaker 1: walked from the west, I tried to make myself small

813
00:56:10,115 --> 00:56:12,915
Speaker 1: and invisible, but I really had nothing to worry about.

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00:56:13,435 --> 00:56:16,395
Speaker 1: As usual, Andy Lack was so absorbed with the sound

815
00:56:16,475 --> 00:56:19,155
Speaker 1: of his own voice and the brilliant points he was making,

816
00:56:19,355 --> 00:56:24,355
Speaker 1: that I could have blasted hello Andy Adam threw a bullhorn,

817
00:56:24,395 --> 00:56:27,395
Speaker 1: and he would never have noticed. On the other hand,

818
00:56:27,475 --> 00:56:31,635
Speaker 1: I noticed again that phenomenon of his career and life,

819
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Speaker 1: that his wife Betsy looks a little like every woman

820
00:56:36,795 --> 00:56:41,475
Speaker 1: anchor he has ever hired. It was Andy Lack who,

821
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Speaker 1: in his second and finally incarnation as the head of

822
00:56:43,795 --> 00:56:47,075
Speaker 1: NBC News, decided that Megan Kelly should be brought over

823
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Speaker 1: from Fox and given a reported sixty nine million dollars

824
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Speaker 1: over three years. Because I forget what he said, but

825
00:56:54,595 --> 00:56:57,675
Speaker 1: the actual answer was she looked like his wife when

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Speaker 1: she was younger. As several of my remaining friends at

827
00:57:02,155 --> 00:57:04,555
Speaker 1: NBC had told me, he had already demoted a couple

828
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Speaker 1: of the minority anchors on MSNBC to make room for

829
00:57:08,075 --> 00:57:12,035
Speaker 1: women anchors he liked, who look like his wife at

830
00:57:12,195 --> 00:57:16,715
Speaker 1: various stages of her life. He probably never heard any

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Speaker 1: of the racist, stupid, moronic things Megan Kelly had said

832
00:57:19,875 --> 00:57:21,795
Speaker 1: on the air, nor any of the warnings he had

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00:57:21,835 --> 00:57:26,035
Speaker 1: been given about here, because he was always talking, talking,

834
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Speaker 1: talking makes me look like a mute. Back in nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety eight at MSNBC, the little sputtering nightly news magazine show,

836
00:57:36,235 --> 00:57:39,115
Speaker 1: Lack had hired me to do suddenly exploded. We went

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Speaker 1: from literally seventy or eighty thousand viewers a night in

838
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Speaker 1: total to a million, then to a million and a half,

839
00:57:45,515 --> 00:57:48,435
Speaker 1: then to two million a night, just as long as

840
00:57:48,475 --> 00:57:53,035
Speaker 1: we continued to mention Bill Clinton and or Monica S. Lewinsky.

841
00:57:54,355 --> 00:57:57,395
Speaker 1: So after a couple of months of this, I decided

842
00:57:57,395 --> 00:58:01,155
Speaker 1: to quit. I had just left the office of my

843
00:58:01,275 --> 00:58:04,195
Speaker 1: new therapist, having spent most of the hour talking about

844
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Speaker 1: the crazy est person I had yet met in broadcasting,

845
00:58:07,835 --> 00:58:10,915
Speaker 1: Andy Lack, the president of NBC News, when my phone

846
00:58:10,995 --> 00:58:13,075
Speaker 1: rang out on twenty third Street in New York, and

847
00:58:13,155 --> 00:58:19,075
Speaker 1: it was Andy Lack. The background here is that the problem,

848
00:58:19,075 --> 00:58:20,955
Speaker 1: in short, was that we had turned my not too

849
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Speaker 1: successful magazine show of nineteen ninety seven into the all

850
00:58:24,235 --> 00:58:27,435
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky showed nineteen ninety eight that there

851
00:58:27,475 --> 00:58:31,395
Speaker 1: was not enough new news about them. Every night did

852
00:58:31,435 --> 00:58:33,555
Speaker 1: not matter. We did at least one show a night,

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00:58:33,635 --> 00:58:37,995
Speaker 1: often too often for two hours each. If Monica Lewinsky's

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00:58:38,035 --> 00:58:40,755
Speaker 1: lawyer said anything more detailed than no comment, we stayed

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Speaker 1: on the air until we ran out of guests. The

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Speaker 1: whole thing, including television's crazed wall to wall reaction, was

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Speaker 1: a carefully planned Newt Gingrich plot in which he thought

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Speaker 1: he could actually impeach Clinton and then somehow impeach President

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Speaker 1: Al Gore before President Gore could get a new vice

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Speaker 1: president confirmed, which would mean the new new president would

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Speaker 1: be So I wanted out because we were no longer

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Speaker 1: just covering this, we were participating in it. I said,

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Speaker 1: let me leave, or let me do something else, change

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Speaker 1: the topic, because I'm done. The problem was every time

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Speaker 1: I said something like I'm done, or I let my

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Speaker 1: cynicism about the story escape on the air, the ratings

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Speaker 1: went up. The year before, MSNBC was lucky to get

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand viewers for one fifteen minute period a month.

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Speaker 1: Now we were upset if we did not get a

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Speaker 1: million viewers a minute. MSNBC was actually making money, and

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Speaker 1: that was almost entirely because of my shows. So when

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Speaker 1: I wanted to quit, people like Andy Lack wanted not

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Speaker 1: to kill me, but to force me to stay there

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Speaker 1: and keep talking like that woman who does the news

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Speaker 1: on North Korean television. To make that possible, Andy Lack

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Speaker 1: tried everything promises that I and not Brian Williams, would

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Speaker 1: be the next anchor of NBC nightly News once he

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Speaker 1: got Tom Brokaw, more money, time off, threats, threats against

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Speaker 1: my family, anything except the first step towards letting me

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Speaker 1: change the show or leave it. The first step would

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Speaker 1: have been just talk to me, face to face. That

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Speaker 1: was what he was calling to talk about on the

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Speaker 1: warm afternoon of the twenty seventh of May nineteen ninety eight.

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Speaker 1: How he couldn't talk to me. It was exactly as

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Speaker 1: crazy as it sounds, and it underscored what I saw

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01:00:35,515 --> 01:00:38,835
Speaker 1: that Friday evening on my dog walk. You think I

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Speaker 1: can talk, Holy cow. First I asked Lack if I

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01:00:44,155 --> 01:00:46,035
Speaker 1: could come into his office to talk to him about it.

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Speaker 1: He said no. I asked him if we could talk

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Speaker 1: about it on the phone. At some point he said no.

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01:00:50,635 --> 01:00:53,475
Speaker 1: Then he proceeded to talk about it well, he began,

892
01:00:53,635 --> 01:00:55,955
Speaker 1: if you're calling about this meeting of life business, if

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01:00:55,955 --> 01:00:57,755
Speaker 1: you just want to stir the pot about how you're

894
01:00:57,755 --> 01:00:59,795
Speaker 1: not satisfied with the show at the moment, I might add,

895
01:00:59,835 --> 01:01:02,115
Speaker 1: only at the moment the nuance and subtleties of your

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01:01:02,115 --> 01:01:03,835
Speaker 1: career will I'd have to say no, we can't meet.

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01:01:03,995 --> 01:01:06,115
Speaker 1: Of course, in say that I'm always available to meet

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01:01:06,155 --> 01:01:11,315
Speaker 1: with you. I love you, but to me. He paused

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01:01:11,475 --> 01:01:15,035
Speaker 1: for no discernible reason, possibly in the desperate attempt to

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01:01:15,195 --> 01:01:18,795
Speaker 1: remember what he had just said in my mind. There

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01:01:18,835 --> 01:01:22,075
Speaker 1: now appeared at the bottom of that news channel ticker

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01:01:22,115 --> 01:01:26,035
Speaker 1: that always goes across it that flashed a message about

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01:01:26,075 --> 01:01:28,035
Speaker 1: not worrying about what I would hear next, that all

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01:01:28,075 --> 01:01:29,835
Speaker 1: this was just some sort of test of the Andy

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Speaker 1: Lack emergency random thoughts warning system. He suddenly resumed, it's

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01:01:35,715 --> 01:01:37,835
Speaker 1: just not the right time. It's premature, it's too early

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01:01:37,875 --> 01:01:39,475
Speaker 1: in the process. And in saying it's too early in

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Speaker 1: the process, I'm not saying there is a process. I'm

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Speaker 1: just saying that there shouldn't be a process yet, because

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01:01:44,435 --> 01:01:46,915
Speaker 1: it's just not right the right time for this, and

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01:01:46,955 --> 01:01:49,595
Speaker 1: I don't think we've explored the options fully for improving

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01:01:49,635 --> 01:01:51,395
Speaker 1: how you see what's happening. And when I say we,

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Speaker 1: of course I mean you and Phil Griffin, You and

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01:01:54,755 --> 01:01:56,955
Speaker 1: Phil Griffin, because Phil's part of this process. Not to

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01:01:56,995 --> 01:01:59,595
Speaker 1: imply there is a process, but rather he's just at

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Speaker 1: the beginning of this situation, of the resolution of this situation,

917
01:02:02,435 --> 01:02:05,755
Speaker 1: not that this is a situation that requires resolution, because

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Speaker 1: I think you know in life you have many times,

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01:02:08,035 --> 01:02:10,955
Speaker 1: many durations, many seasons, many years where you might say

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01:02:10,955 --> 01:02:14,075
Speaker 1: you're unhappy or discontented or in some way not pleased

921
01:02:14,075 --> 01:02:16,355
Speaker 1: with what you're doing, but you'll have plenty of opportunities

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01:02:16,395 --> 01:02:18,435
Speaker 1: to make changes in the direction of your life. Obviously

923
01:02:18,475 --> 01:02:20,995
Speaker 1: not now. You made these changes last year, and you

924
01:02:21,035 --> 01:02:22,835
Speaker 1: committed to it, and I committed to it, and you've

925
01:02:22,835 --> 01:02:26,195
Speaker 1: done such an outstanding job, a thoroughly outstanding job. But

926
01:02:26,315 --> 01:02:28,395
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much we value you. And

927
01:02:28,435 --> 01:02:30,555
Speaker 1: I was on Larry King last week and Larry said

928
01:02:30,555 --> 01:02:32,915
Speaker 1: to me, I love Olderman, and I said, I love

929
01:02:32,955 --> 01:02:34,715
Speaker 1: Olderman and he said, I wish I could be doing

930
01:02:34,755 --> 01:02:36,955
Speaker 1: for you what he's doing for you. And this is

931
01:02:36,995 --> 01:02:39,235
Speaker 1: not that you should think that I'm totally blowing smoke

932
01:02:39,315 --> 01:02:43,275
Speaker 1: up your backside, but the critical acclaim, especially the insider's

933
01:02:43,275 --> 01:02:46,995
Speaker 1: critical acclaim, the people whose opinions matter consistently rating you

934
01:02:47,115 --> 01:02:49,035
Speaker 1: is the best at this on the cutting edge. And

935
01:02:49,075 --> 01:02:51,155
Speaker 1: for that matter, the ratings have been outstanding. And I'm

936
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Speaker 1: fully committed to you in all senses of the word.

937
01:02:53,515 --> 01:02:54,995
Speaker 1: But if you want to talk to me about in

938
01:02:54,995 --> 01:02:58,195
Speaker 1: some way changing what you're doing, it just doesn't enter

939
01:02:58,235 --> 01:03:01,115
Speaker 1: into the equation. Because things are going so well, then

940
01:03:01,155 --> 01:03:03,475
Speaker 1: we're just delighted with the program. And you need to

941
01:03:03,555 --> 01:03:06,195
Speaker 1: understand that on my screen, this isn't even on the

942
01:03:06,195 --> 01:03:08,195
Speaker 1: fast track, because why should I say to you, Look,

943
01:03:08,435 --> 01:03:10,995
Speaker 1: I want to change this completely successful show when it's

944
01:03:11,035 --> 01:03:13,315
Speaker 1: been such a success and a complete one and a

945
01:03:13,395 --> 01:03:16,115
Speaker 1: runaway hit, and everybody says to me how smoothly you've

946
01:03:16,115 --> 01:03:18,555
Speaker 1: made the transition from sports, And I can't talk to

947
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Speaker 1: you about it because I love you. I mean, I'm

948
01:03:20,355 --> 01:03:22,715
Speaker 1: fully behind you one hundred percent, and you have my

949
01:03:22,795 --> 01:03:25,435
Speaker 1: support and my commitment and my resources and they're all

950
01:03:25,435 --> 01:03:27,715
Speaker 1: at your beck and call anytime you need them or

951
01:03:27,715 --> 01:03:29,835
Speaker 1: you need me. But there aren't problems, and I love

952
01:03:29,875 --> 01:03:31,715
Speaker 1: the show and the thought of tinkering with it or

953
01:03:31,755 --> 01:03:34,235
Speaker 1: adjusting it just is the farthest thing from my mind

954
01:03:34,315 --> 01:03:36,875
Speaker 1: right now. But you have to understand I'm completely committed

955
01:03:36,915 --> 01:03:38,915
Speaker 1: to you and Phil then what you're doing, and I

956
01:03:39,035 --> 01:03:40,755
Speaker 1: just can't talk to you about it now, although the

957
01:03:40,755 --> 01:03:42,955
Speaker 1: door is always open, and you know you can call

958
01:03:42,995 --> 01:03:45,155
Speaker 1: me and talk to me at any time about anything.

959
01:03:45,315 --> 01:03:48,995
Speaker 1: And when I say I mean anything, I don't mean this,

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01:03:49,075 --> 01:03:51,395
Speaker 1: and I can envision changing things because I don't have

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01:03:51,475 --> 01:03:58,115
Speaker 1: to click that was Andy Lack, the president of NBC

962
01:03:58,235 --> 01:04:01,355
Speaker 1: News talking to me about not talking to me about

963
01:04:01,435 --> 01:04:06,715
Speaker 1: changing the Clinton Lewinsky TV marathon. Is possible that after

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Speaker 1: all these years, I did not quote his three minute

965
01:04:09,475 --> 01:04:12,955
Speaker 1: spasm of words completely accurately. But if I did not,

966
01:04:13,155 --> 01:04:18,195
Speaker 1: I got damned close. So the next time Megan Kelly

967
01:04:18,235 --> 01:04:21,275
Speaker 1: says something stupid or tweets something stupid, and it's got

968
01:04:21,355 --> 01:04:25,635
Speaker 1: to be soon, she's due, just remember, don't just blame her,

969
01:04:26,355 --> 01:04:29,995
Speaker 1: spread it around, Blame the guy who stuck her on

970
01:04:30,075 --> 01:04:37,035
Speaker 1: an actual television network with a reputation, Andy Lack, And

971
01:04:37,115 --> 01:04:40,155
Speaker 1: say your criticisms of Andy Lack as loud as you want,

972
01:04:40,595 --> 01:04:44,555
Speaker 1: because just remember, he's going to keep talking and he'll

973
01:04:44,915 --> 01:05:02,075
Speaker 1: never hear a word of it. I've done all the

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Speaker 1: damage I can do here. Thank you for listening and

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Speaker 1: bearing with me my uncertain voice. Countdown. Musical directors Brian

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01:05:08,955 --> 01:05:11,795
Speaker 1: Ray and John Phillip Schanel arranged, produced, and performed most

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01:05:11,795 --> 01:05:15,155
Speaker 1: of our music. Mister Ray was on guitars, bass and drums.

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Speaker 1: Mister Shanelle handled orchestration and keyboards. It was produced by

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Speaker 1: Tko Brothers and not by Megan Kelly. Other music, including

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01:05:24,475 --> 01:05:26,955
Speaker 1: some of the Beethoven compositions were arranged and performed by

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Speaker 1: the group No Horns Allowed. The sports music is the

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Speaker 1: Overman theme from ESPN two, written by Mitch Warren Davis,

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01:05:33,115 --> 01:05:36,435
Speaker 1: courtesy of ESPN, Inc. Now. Our satirical and pithy musical

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Speaker 1: comments are by Nancy Faust. The best baseball stadium organist ever.

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01:05:40,275 --> 01:05:43,755
Speaker 1: Our announcer today was my friend Jonathan Banks. Everything else

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01:05:44,315 --> 01:05:48,035
Speaker 1: pretty much my fault. That's countdown for this the two

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighteenth day until the twenty twenty four presidential election,

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01:05:52,395 --> 01:05:56,115
Speaker 1: but one hundred and eighty third day since demented Jay

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01:05:56,155 --> 01:05:59,635
Speaker 1: Trump's first attempted coup against the democratically elected government of

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01:05:59,675 --> 01:06:02,995
Speaker 1: the United States. Use the fourteenth Amendment and the not

991
01:06:03,155 --> 01:06:07,195
Speaker 1: regularly given elector of objection option, Use the Insurrection Act,

992
01:06:07,595 --> 01:06:10,875
Speaker 1: use the Terrorism Acts, use the justice system and the

993
01:06:10,915 --> 01:06:14,595
Speaker 1: mental health system to stop him from doing it again

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01:06:15,155 --> 01:06:20,635
Speaker 1: while we still can. The next scheduled countdown is tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Bulletin says the news warrants till then. I'm Keith Oldremman.

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01:06:23,835 --> 01:06:46,155
Speaker 1: Good Morning, good afternoon, good night, and good luck. Countdown

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01:06:46,235 --> 01:06:49,955
Speaker 1: with Keith Olreman is a production of iHeartRadio. For more

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01:06:50,075 --> 01:06:54,995
Speaker 1: podcasts from iHeartRadio, Visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts.