1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Previously on Weedi and House. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: I see problems with housed people imposing what makes them 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: comfortable inside of their world, in their mind and their heart, 4 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: their places in the spaces that are not theirs, where 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 2: these things may not work. But they talk about things 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: like trust and stuff. And I'm like, I've worked with 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,639 Speaker 2: people I don't trust out at camps. I've worship people 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: I hate their guns, I don't like them. 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 3: We have to work together. 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 2: If there's no one else out here, we got to do. 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 3: It, you know. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 4: Welcome to Weedy and Howse. I'm your host, Theo Henderson. 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 4: Before we get to Unhoused News this week, some food 14 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 4: for thoughts. Ask yourself if you were given two choices 15 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 4: on where to be in house, where would you go 16 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 4: California or Arizona? 17 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: Why or why not? And why you think about fat. 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 4: Here's Unhoused News, recorded as of Tuesday, June twenty fourth. 19 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 4: Our first story starts off with eighty one year old 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 4: former mayoral candidate Michael O'Callaghan, who was killed by a 21 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 4: light rail train in southeast Portland, Oregon. O'Callaghan was unhoused, 22 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 4: a sixth generation Oregonian and self taught lawyer. He ran 23 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 4: for mayor in twenty twenty and twenty four, with the 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 4: campaign focused on improving Portland's houselessness, safety, and housing issues. 25 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: Our next story lands us in Portland, Oregon again with 26 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 4: nimbi's voicing opposition to a houseless shelter in Portland, Oregon. 27 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 4: Opponent to housing shelter, Todd Zahmit, believes's addiction is the 28 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 4: route to Portland's houseless crisis. Mayor Keith Wilson's aim is 29 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 4: to have the shelter reach his goal of adding fifteen 30 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 4: hundred new overnight shelter beds by December twenty twenty five. 31 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 4: The Portland Solutions Manager Rob Blank said the shelter would 32 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 4: be low barrier, meaning residents can be ineviated or altered, 33 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 4: but not allowed to bring weapons or substances into the shelter. 34 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: Our last story ends in Maricopa, Arizona. Heat related deaths 35 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 4: affect the unhoused population disproportionately. Nearly half of heat related 36 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 4: deaths in the area in twenty twenty four were houseless people. 37 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 4: In twenty twenty three, three quarters of heat related deaths 38 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 4: were among men, and seventy percent were over fifty. Many 39 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 4: reasons were attributed to this high rate of deaths, such as. 40 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: The inability to get to cooling centers. 41 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 4: In addition to this, that were broken down communications systems, 42 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 4: vast distances to get to places where people could cool down, 43 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 4: or centers that had very limited hours. Additional factors that 44 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: put people at risk for heat related depths are external 45 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 4: medical issues or using substances. 46 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: And that's Unhoused News. 47 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 4: When we come back, we'll hear from our guest tanner 48 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 4: who will provide insight on being unhoused in Arizona. Welcome 49 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 4: back to Weedian Owls. I'm Theo Henderson. Earlier, I presented 50 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 4: you with two choices, to be unhoused in California or 51 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: to be unhoused in Arizona. Based on our last Unhoused 52 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 4: News story about the consequences of heat in Arizona, I 53 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 4: only thought it was appropriate to speak with someone was 54 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: dealing with being in house in that state. This week, 55 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: I'm speaking with Tanna Swanson, who is a worker at 56 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 4: New Leaf Shelter. Let's hear their story and let's then 57 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 4: check back in. 58 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 5: I've worked for a New Leaf for almost ten years now, 59 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 5: and we're one of the largest service providers for homelessness 60 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 5: and domestic violence services in the Phoenix area, which a 61 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 5: lot of the times people think of Phoenix as just, 62 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 5: you know, a city within the United States, but it's 63 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 5: the fifth largest city in the country. I mean is 64 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 5: it is a very significant mentro area, and it is 65 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 5: one of the most hostile to people experiencing hostile to us. 66 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: All Right. 67 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 5: You know, if you have to live on the streets, 68 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 5: if you've got to live in your car, you know, 69 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 5: the heat is deadly, and not only that, but it's 70 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 5: not easy to get around or public transportation isn't very good. 71 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 5: And so it's a very unique situation here in Phoenix 72 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 5: that we deal with all the time, and so we 73 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 5: do our best at a new Leaf to help people 74 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 5: experiencing any type of houselessness, whatever the reason is that they're. 75 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: Dealing with it. 76 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 5: We want to be a low barrier to entry support 77 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 5: to help people get on a path back towards stability, 78 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 5: whatever that looks like for them. 79 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 4: I was going to ask me that quick question because 80 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 4: I had driven through been through Arizona when I first 81 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 4: started doing this podcast, and I learned that other in 82 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 4: house people from other areas was listening to the show 83 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: and wished that they had something in the area. So 84 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 4: it gave me the brainchild to start going under other 85 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 4: houseless areas. And I noticed that the transportation issue because 86 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 4: for me, I don't have a car, or I didn't drive, 87 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 4: and I relied on public transportation one to cool myself 88 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 4: down during the heat waves of California or the cold 89 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: snaps that will pop up during the colder months or 90 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 4: in other places. And I noticed that, and I wanted 91 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 4: to say, how does the house navigate there? Is there 92 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 4: cooling centers or are there places where they can be 93 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: able to congregate and move in light of now that 94 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 4: we have grants pass past, you know, things could be 95 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 4: a little bit difficult. 96 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. 97 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 5: You know, Phoenix continues to deal with you know, we 98 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 5: look at heat deaths. I mean they're in the hundreds 99 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 5: typically in our city. 100 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 101 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 5: The New York Times covered it last year extensively because 102 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 5: we have one of the first chief Heat officers for 103 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 5: the City of Phoenix, which manages this issue. And the 104 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 5: unhoused population is one of the most affected by it. 105 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 5: And you're right, you know, it is so crucial that 106 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 5: that even just access to like ac or water or 107 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 5: any of those basic deeds. I mean, if you're out 108 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 5: one hundred and seventeen degree attempt, which is are high today. 109 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 5: You can only be out in that so long, you know, 110 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 5: especially if you've got a health condition or something else. 111 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 5: You know, there's always something else going on that makes 112 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 5: it harder. And so a new Leaf participates in the 113 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 5: Heat Relief Network and that's like valley wide throughout Maricopa 114 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 5: County and there are sites all across. I always encourage 115 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 5: people like look at the Heat Relief Network website because 116 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 5: you can find places near you. You know, it's still 117 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 5: that challenge of we are such a spread out city 118 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 5: that it can be hard to get to those locations, 119 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 5: but a lot of them at least you know, you 120 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 5: can get some water, get a place you can sit, 121 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 5: stay for a couple hours. And it's great because they 122 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 5: provide the resources to tell you how long can I 123 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 5: sit there? Can I stay there? 124 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: You know? 125 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 5: Do they have other resources? So it's really a good 126 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 5: resource and we do that at our shelter sites. You know, 127 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 5: we've got shelters across the valley from Apatche Junction all 128 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 5: the way out to Surprise Phoenix Mays at tenp We've 129 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 5: got locations that offer those resources and it can be 130 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 5: really life saving for people. So the resources are there, 131 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 5: but they're not always the easiest to access, and people 132 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 5: don't always know about them. 133 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: And that's the thing too what I noticed with doing 134 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: this show too. 135 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 4: Sometimes because the difficulties sometimes on house people have the 136 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 4: phones don't work, or they burn now they don't have 137 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 4: them charging, and or like I say, which I do 138 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: every year, when I take to tag the mayor of 139 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: the city here asking where are the cooling centers? Because 140 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 4: they believe that they said once one time, and it's 141 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 4: just everyone instantaneously gets it. It has to be a 142 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 4: kind of a repeated, repetitive cycle, a repetitive way for 143 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 4: them to get to it, and also to give them 144 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 4: a heads up. For example, here in Los Angeles we 145 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: have so many dragconing and policies against unhouse people that 146 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: if they show up and they have maybe more than 147 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 4: two bags or certain size of bag, they're going to 148 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: get turned away or they're going to have the police 149 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 4: called on them. Or now with the I don't know 150 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: if you heard recently, the ice immigration is rushing and 151 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 4: running up on unhoused people in shelters and snatching them 152 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 4: and kidnapping him or going to sweeps and targeting them. 153 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: So this new dimension also provides, you know, a necessity, 154 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 4: a necessary type of breakdown to protect also the in 155 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 4: housed going to these places because you know, they're in 156 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 4: the dire straits and they don't last thing. Anybody wants 157 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: to be kidnapped or arrested or or turned away because 158 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: they didn't need some standard. 159 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean you're spot on. 160 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 5: I mean, if there's if there's one thing that unfortunately 161 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 5: community leaders love, it's an easy target, and un housed 162 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 5: is that target. 163 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 3: We're not far behind that. 164 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 5: There are so many laws and city ordinances that are 165 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 5: criminalizing homelessness and just making it that much harder just 166 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 5: to get by. It's really disappointing to see, you know, 167 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 5: the most vulnerable in our community just get told, oh 168 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 5: well actually now you need to pay fees and we 169 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 5: might put you in prison, and also you have no 170 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 5: right to exist. 171 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 3: You know. 172 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 5: It is it is just such it's mind boggling to 173 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 5: think that, not to mention how expensive it is to 174 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 5: police those people in that way anyway, right, I mean. 175 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: It is it is. 176 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 5: We know here in Mesa, and I'll give a city 177 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 5: at mesa credit, They've done a good job in the past. 178 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 5: They know it's cheaper to just put these people up 179 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 5: in housing when they need it for a short term 180 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 5: than it is to try to police them like crazy. 181 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 5: And instead, you know, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna 182 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 5: mace them, We're gonna tell them you can't stay here. 183 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 5: We're gonna tear down you know, where they're staying. And 184 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 5: that's that's just that's just really wrong. 185 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 186 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 4: To get quickly back to New Leaf, you've been here 187 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 4: for ten years. What prompted you to work into this field, 188 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 4: because this is not one of those fields that you 189 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 4: hear often in high school college. You know, it's got 190 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: to be something that sparked that kind of interest to 191 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 4: get into this. 192 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean a New Leaf has been around over 193 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 5: fifty years in the valley. And so I grew up 194 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 5: in Mesa and I'm local here, and you know, I 195 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 5: love local nonprofits. You know, no no hate at the 196 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 5: national ones and big ones, but your local ones get 197 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 5: the issues, they get the people they serve. And so 198 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 5: I saw it growing up. And then when I finished college, 199 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 5: I said, you know, I really feel like people always 200 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 5: just run to the federal government or DC or somewhere 201 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 5: else to try to go and fix big problems. And 202 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 5: I'm like, you leave such a gap in leadership at 203 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 5: the local level to make a difference, and so I 204 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 5: wanted to join a new leaf and see if I 205 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:05,839 Speaker 5: could help them out. 206 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: I love what they were. 207 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 5: Domestic violence is a really strong issue in my heart, 208 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 5: and that's the leading cause of homelessness for women and 209 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 5: children in Arizona, and so I knew that that's kind 210 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 5: of where I wanted to be, and I just stuck 211 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 5: with it. 212 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: I've loved it since I've been here. 213 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 4: Now, I'm glad you brought up the domestican violence angle 214 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 4: because you know we have excu as. 215 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: You know we have that here too. 216 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 4: Add it on to what the undocumented issues is going 217 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 4: on if people are looking for because I had a 218 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 4: guest on most recently that worth a domestic violence a survivor. 219 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 4: What things did you offer for people to get respite 220 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 4: or help for those situations? 221 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I always tell people like number one 222 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 5: is called the Domestic Violence Hotline. There's always going to 223 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 5: be local versions of it, but the national one is 224 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 5: eight zero zero seven nine nine seven two three three. 225 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 5: So I always tell people call that hotline and reach 226 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 5: out for help even if you don't know. You know, 227 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 5: so many people in the domestic violence situation, they don't 228 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 5: even know if what they are experiencing is they've been 229 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 5: gas lit. They don't know what's going you know, it's distressing, 230 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 5: so they need someone to talk to them and bring 231 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 5: clarity to their situation. So I always tell people just 232 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 5: start there, talk to someone safely, right, make sure that 233 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 5: you can do that safely without you know, getting any 234 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 5: attention from your abuser in the situation. But figure out 235 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 5: what to do and then know that housing is available, 236 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 5: you know, like like a new leaf. What I love 237 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 5: about this place too, is they really focused on making 238 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 5: sure that nobody is turned away. So like we operate 239 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 5: a program here that you know, we got shelters all 240 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 5: across valley. Sometimes those fill up, you know, it's not 241 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 5: that uncommon, especially during like holiday season or times when 242 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 5: tensions are high in families. And a couple of years back, 243 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 5: there were some really just heartbreaking deaths with abusers in 244 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 5: the entire family dying because they were turned away from shelter. 245 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 5: So we said, you know, we never want that to 246 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 5: happen again. If there's a proven history of violence in 247 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 5: the household. We'll get them out of there and put 248 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 5: them in a temporary location, hotel somewhere. And we've run 249 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 5: that in America the county for I think, I think 250 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 5: almost ten years now, and it has saved a lot 251 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 5: of lives, you know, and you only wish that that 252 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 5: type of resource was put towards homelessness and other things. 253 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 5: But it's at least a blessing that it's there to 254 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 5: help survivors of domestic violence, because you know, I think 255 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 5: community leaders at least get that, you know, when it 256 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 5: comes to life and death, and some of them don't, 257 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 5: but you know, some of most of them do at 258 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 5: least understand that when it comes to abuse and violence 259 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 5: and crime, you know, that's something that people need help with. 260 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 5: It's just unfortunate they don't understand that applies to a 261 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 5: lot of other circumstances too. 262 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: True. 263 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: I was going to say, I remember many years ago, 264 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 4: when I've worked in social services that there was a program. 265 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 4: It was modeled after the underground railroad where if the 266 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 4: abuse was so extreme, they would provide underground type of 267 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 4: services to get you whisk you out of the state 268 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 4: into other underground not on the map or not very 269 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 4: well guarded places where they can protect your identity, your 270 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 4: children and your safety and things like that. I was 271 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 4: remembering that. I was like, hopefully, you know that program 272 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 4: still exists. But I was just thinking, that's just one 273 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 4: way of really looking after people that are going through it. 274 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 4: I knew recently talking with the challenges that people that 275 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 4: are facing abuse, they have stated that there is at 276 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: least seven times they'll try to leave before they really 277 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 4: takes root. And that issue is such a complex issue. 278 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 4: Do you have anythink new insight onto that. No, it 279 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 4: definitely is. 280 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 5: I mean they still run those programs, so you get 281 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 5: people from out of state all the time. You know, 282 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 5: the chance that they go back is unfortunately pretty high. 283 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 5: I mean, housing costs come on. Like here in Phoenix, 284 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 5: our housing costs are almost as high as Californi now, 285 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 5: and that happened in like three or four years. Like 286 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 5: my rent almost doubled in five years. And I'm lucky 287 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 5: enough to afford it. But I'm not a single mom 288 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 5: with three kids, right, So it's just really tough to 289 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 5: ask someone to leave a provider for the family. Not 290 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 5: to mention that abusers often won't let their partner work 291 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: where they create obstacles for them to find employment or independence. 292 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 5: And so yeah, they're going to go back because they're 293 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 5: going to go I'm gonna have to go live in 294 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 5: my car. Oh and by the way, they're going to 295 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 5: arrest me and take my kids away if I don't 296 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 5: have a home for them. And you know, so it's 297 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 5: just again it's criminalizing that entire situation instead of saying, 298 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: you're in a terrible situation, can we help you. It's 299 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 5: going to be better for us, better for you. But 300 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 5: it's just disappointing that again that that you know, the 301 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 5: community doesn't respond in that way and say, hey, these 302 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 5: are people who are down on their luck and instead 303 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 5: of punishing them, we should say. 304 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: What do you need? 305 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 5: Right, So pretty unfortunate, but they run those programs still, 306 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 5: and it saves a lot of lives, changing geography, getting 307 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 5: out of the city, going somewhere different. That can help 308 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 5: a lot. 309 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I also going back to mount 310 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 4: my Memory Lane, and I remember a coworker, she herself 311 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 4: had fled from the situation, which is why I knew 312 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 4: about the program. And when she passed away, her other 313 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 4: side of the family because she just disappeared, they. 314 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: Didn't know, you know, where she was gone, and. 315 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 4: Her children had to tell her why that they left 316 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: and the whole thing, which was very eye opening to 317 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 4: the family and myself because I didn't know, like you 318 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 4: never know who's going through those China challenges. 319 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: But also the resources. 320 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 4: That are there in a way, how can we make 321 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 4: sure it's getting out there? What is it benefits? What 322 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 4: are the good things about New Leaf that you'd. 323 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 5: Like more than anything? I think we just stand We 324 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 5: stand by the clients that we work with. You know, 325 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 5: it's tough as a nonprofit. You know, you mentioned the 326 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 5: ice raids and some of that stuff that's going on. 327 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 5: Nonprofits really should take a strong stance on that stuff. 328 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 5: But you know, I'll be the first to say it's 329 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 5: a scary thing to do for some organizations. You know, 330 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 5: a lot of us, a lot of us across the 331 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 5: value across the country work with cities and the state 332 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 5: and the federal government, and we accept grants and we 333 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 5: need those to serve people experiencing houselessness or domestic violence. 334 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 5: And you know, if you speak up, I mean now 335 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 5: more than ever, people are swatting you down and it 336 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 5: can be dangerous. But I think that the most important 337 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 5: thing is is to keep your eyes on your clients, 338 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 5: try to protect them as much as you can within 339 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 5: the boundaries of the law and what you're allowed to 340 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 5: do as an organization, you know, because we got to 341 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 5: do both. We got to watch out for them and 342 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 5: make sure that we stay here and we can still 343 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 5: continue to serve the communities that need us. 344 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 1: And so it's a. 345 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 5: Tricky line, but I feel like a New Leaf has 346 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 5: done a good job with that, and that's that's honestly, 347 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 5: I think one of the kind of nice parts about 348 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 5: working here and again part of the local aspect of 349 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 5: really understanding your community and who you're serving. 350 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, you raise a very good point about I think two, 351 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 4: we're in a precipice point of time where things could 352 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 4: go anyway, and what we've been seeing, particularly in Los Angeles, 353 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 4: I don't know if you've been following the news, the 354 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 4: outright kidnapping of people kids going there, going to daycares, 355 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: trying to statue kids, and going to hospitals and going 356 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: to shelters. Now, and first, you know, it didn't start 357 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 4: off that way. Obviously they were had a list and 358 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 4: you know, all of that, but then it became to 359 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 4: such an egregious point that you know, the nonprofits or 360 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 4: some of the places that are in a tentative or 361 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 4: tiptoe stance type of approach didn't know how to help 362 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 4: the people there, and it was so important to try 363 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 4: to figure out what safeguards to do to protect the 364 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 4: un housed undocumented. Particularly in Oxen, California, we have a 365 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 4: lot of unhoused undocumented immigrants that are in the produced markets, 366 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 4: are in the farms that are picking the fruit and 367 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: vegetables for the whole country. It affects everybody. And when 368 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: you do that and there's no one coming in to 369 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 4: pick the fruit and vegetables and things like that, that 370 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: does a downward spiral because now you can't get the 371 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 4: year of produce to the grocery marks the prices when 372 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 4: the once you do can get is going to be 373 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 4: ridiculously expensive, and then you can't help pass it all 374 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 4: over the country because no one like for example, here 375 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 4: in cauliflun no one wants to go to the businesses 376 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 4: downtown or don't want to go to restaurants anymore because 377 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 4: they are literally going out there snatching people. And it 378 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 4: doesn't matter if you're a documented or not. Here despite 379 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 4: what they're saying, they're not going out to criminals. They're 380 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 4: going after any random person who are examples of Marines 381 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 4: and the law enforcement. We're renting out hotels downtown in 382 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 4: Los Angeles. As soon as they signed in, they started 383 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 4: targeting the staff, trying to get you know, find out 384 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 4: who's documented. And so it's created such a atmosphere of 385 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 4: fear and caution that it creates more stress for people 386 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 4: that are displaced and unhealthed. You don't have to be 387 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 4: undocumented having to feel a stress because now we're also 388 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 4: on a curfew and police has been videos where police 389 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 4: have been attacking unhouse people, been attacking other protesters and 390 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 4: things like that. So the whole atmosphere here is very tense. 391 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 4: So you know, you know, and it gives you put 392 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 4: you in the quandary on what to do or what 393 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 4: if you should do something. 394 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a tough situation. And you know, I don't 395 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 5: think Phoenix is that far off. You know, we're just 396 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 5: lucky that we haven't done the lightning rod that they've 397 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 5: just arbitrarily chosen to target. Right, and we see the 398 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 5: same thing here, right, I mean that fear. I know, 399 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 5: it's palpable there, but that carries out through the entire country. 400 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 5: Right now, I'm like in Phoenix, Like I can tell 401 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 5: you right now that I guarantee you fewer people are 402 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 5: reaching out for help to cross the board. 403 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: We're talking domestic violence, homelessness. 404 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 5: People you're trying to pay their bills, go to work, 405 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 5: even you know, drop their kids off at daycare. They're 406 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 5: not reaching out for help because they don't know someone's 407 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 5: going to pick them up and never be seen again. 408 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're right, you. 409 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 5: Know, it doesn't it doesn't even be you know, it 410 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 5: doesn't even matter if you're an actual citizen or not. 411 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: If you get wrapped up in that stuff. Man, you know, 412 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 5: all you need is just any number of situations that 413 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 5: can just go wrong for you, even if you do 414 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 5: everything right. 415 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 3: Yep. 416 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 5: And it's pretty unfortunate. And you see it happen across 417 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 5: the board, not to mention that, Like, you know, let's 418 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 5: say you didn't do anything wrong and you get detained 419 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 5: for a day or two. And I know so many 420 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 5: people who would lose a job if there were no call, 421 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 5: no show on them one day. 422 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: Right. 423 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 4: But here's the thing too, where this matching up people 424 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 4: in playing clothes. They're running up on people, literally picking 425 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 4: them up off the street, and it's causing that kind 426 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 4: of fear because you don't know who's who. They're being 427 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 4: very surreptitious about it. They're being face masked, So that 428 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 4: also is another a fear thing because average person, someone 429 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 4: runs up on them and trying to kit nap them, 430 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 4: have them, they're going to fight back. But then now 431 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: you have this element onto it on top of the 432 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 4: fact that they are going to places and they know 433 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 4: the ripple effect of the fear because people are recording it. 434 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 4: Like most recently, there was this a young teenage boy 435 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 4: that was working standing outside trying to stop ice from 436 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: taking someone else. They just reached over and just grabbed him, 437 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 4: and he says, he's just you know, he's yelling, he's 438 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 4: a citizen, he's going is working, it doesn't matter. It's 439 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 4: just like here, it's like they have just allowed themselves 440 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 4: to do the President's bidding, just to just target willing 441 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: Neely and to create an atmosphere a fear for house 442 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 4: and unhoused people or a document or documented people. You 443 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 4: can be taken to a detention center indefinitely. It's not 444 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 4: like a couple of days like you're going to jail. 445 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 4: They have you can make a phone call, you can 446 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 4: call a lawyer, you can call your parents, or you 447 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 4: can call whoever you need to to get some kind 448 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 4: of help. They've stated that, you know, don't expect that 449 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 4: you're going to You can be indefinitely detanged that they 450 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 4: are not known to the populace. You know, family wouldn't 451 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,479 Speaker 4: know where you're aware about, so something would happen to you. 452 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 4: They don't know because you know, those sites are not 453 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 4: available or accessible for people to figure out how to 454 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 4: get them out. We'll be back with more from Tanner 455 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 4: after the break. Welcome back. This is theo Henderson with 456 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 4: Leedi and Howse. Here's the rest of my interview with Tanner. 457 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 5: I just got to say too, I mean, this is 458 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 5: just this like the most quintessential example of any political 459 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 5: group trying to distract from bigger issues, right, Like everybody's 460 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 5: having a harder time paying bills, getting by, taking care 461 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 5: of their kids, you know, and for some reason we're 462 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 5: here arguing about our neighbors who are nice. I mean, 463 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 5: when you hear about some of the deportations of the 464 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 5: ones we like, I put that in quotes, right, of 465 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 5: how upsecept people get because it's someone they know. I 466 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 5: can say, living in Phoenix, which is a very diverse 467 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 5: city with a large population of undocumented folks, that's not 468 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 5: the top of line issue we should even begin to 469 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 5: care about right now. You know, these people, they pay taxes, 470 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 5: they take their kids to school, they're working, you know, 471 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 5: I mean, we're shooting ourselves in the foot when the 472 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 5: only people that end up suffering is people who are 473 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 5: just struggling to get by. 474 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: And that just kills me inside. 475 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 5: And it's hard because you've got to speak up against it, 476 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 5: but then you reinforce the narrative that this is the 477 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 5: most important issue, right and it's such a catch twenty 478 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 5: two of God, can we talk about some of the 479 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 5: other issues facing this country? But also yeah, no, you 480 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 5: can't go and snatch people off the side of the street. 481 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: And ah man. 482 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 4: And it's frustrating too because they don't want to bring 483 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 4: it in sharp relief. But you cannot not say anything 484 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 4: because it's deliberately because they know that it's so egregious, 485 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 4: and particularly here is so egregious and so audacious that 486 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 4: you cannot act like you didn't see. You know, they 487 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 4: left kids or running in snatching their parents and the 488 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 4: kids are screaming and text snatching the kid off from 489 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 4: the hand and throwing them and they don't know where 490 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 4: they are. One of these senators was rough manhandled by 491 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 4: you know, law enforcement here, Maxine Waters herself was denied 492 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: entry into a place where the order the sites to 493 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 4: try to investigate and see what was going on. You know, 494 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 4: it's like, it is our duty to speak out on 495 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 4: these things. We can also speak out on others. We 496 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 4: can chew bubble gum and walk too, but we cannot 497 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 4: just pretend it's not going on. And I think this 498 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 4: is one of the things about my show. It's like 499 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 4: I tried to do the intersection of the issues but 500 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 4: also soundly alarmed. I'm think I cannot ignore it is 501 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 4: humanity's fight. It's just not just one a slice of 502 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 4: populations fight. It's humanities fight. We must speak out against 503 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 4: these kind of things because it look if we don't, 504 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 4: we're going to go back in time where when people 505 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 4: ask what happened when Nazism and fascism was the voice 506 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 4: of the day, who was speaking out against that, or 507 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 4: who was doing things to stop that or to mitigate 508 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 4: the damage or whatever. 509 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, and I'll second that of like, 510 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 5: I don't know, our communities are just a lot weaker 511 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 5: than they used to be, right, Like, we don't have churches, 512 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 5: we don't have a lot of civic groups, we don't 513 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 5: have a lot of ways that tie us together. And 514 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 5: it's a weird thing where nonprofits, like a New Leaf 515 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 5: and so many others, they've kind of taken that space, 516 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 5: right of, like these community spaces that used to just 517 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 5: be people working together. And if we're going to take 518 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 5: up that space, we better have something to say when 519 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 5: things happen, right, and we do have a responsibility to 520 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 5: do that and to try to help whoever is unfortunately 521 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 5: being targeted at that time, because it's our responsibility. You know, 522 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 5: our mission here in a New Leaf is like helping 523 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 5: families changing lives. I'd say that applies to a lot 524 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 5: of the things that we just discuss, and and you know, 525 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 5: we would be remiss if we weren't trying to do 526 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 5: something to help those folks as best as we can. 527 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 4: Also too, because they also have designed it in such 528 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 4: a way where nonprofits will lose funding if they do 529 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 4: speak out if there is great injustice, you know, and 530 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 4: that's the thing too, where you're in the quandary of 531 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 4: trying to speak out against injustice and then, like you've 532 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 4: mentioned before, and then you're also trying to keep funding 533 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 4: to help people that are in dire straits too, And 534 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 4: it's not it's not an accident. They'd have that set 535 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 4: up for that that very reason, which brings up a 536 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 4: good question, what things do you see that could be 537 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 4: improved in the situation here? 538 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean. 539 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 5: I think overall, I think we got to I don't 540 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 5: I don't want to get straight into like national politics, 541 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 5: but like we got to get our head on straight 542 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 5: and make some better choices as the country. I think 543 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 5: it's so disappointing to see the lack of compassion in 544 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 5: our public power. And I think that's kind of Number 545 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 5: one is, you know, the winner take all mentality is 546 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 5: so damaging and it doesn't help anybody. 547 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 3: It just doesn't. 548 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 5: It feels good for a second and then you deal 549 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 5: with all the consequences of it, it's not so good anymore. 550 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 5: But number two is just I mean, the flip flopping 551 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 5: is just the insanity of that is untenable. Like, I 552 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 5: don't know what the fix is for that, You know, 553 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 5: I'm focused here on my local community, but they should 554 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 5: do a better job of tying the hands of administrations 555 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 5: to make sure that they can't just flip the light 556 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 5: switch and decide, yeah, actually we're gonna throw you know, 557 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 5: millions of people out of this country. And you know, 558 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 5: we're not going to fund domestic violence and homelessness resources anymore. 559 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 5: And you know, there's so much authority that can just 560 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 5: flip flop on things. And I'll be honest, communities need predictability, nonprofits, businesses, 561 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 5: people need predictability. Uh And when you throw that out 562 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 5: out the window, it gets a lot harder to even 563 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 5: advocate for it. And I'd say those are probably my 564 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 5: two things is let's let's figure out who we are 565 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 5: and take a hard look at ourselves, and then let's 566 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 5: let's see how we can actually governed by consensus instead 567 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 5: of just you know, whoever happens to be in power 568 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 5: at the time just gets to auto whim and choose 569 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 5: whatever they're going to do. 570 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 3: It just doesn't work. 571 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 4: Which brings an interesting point too, is with all of 572 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 4: these cuts that's going on, Like, for example, we're going 573 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 4: to see with Medicaid and the cuts cutbacks with EBT 574 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 4: or cal Fresh or the boostamp program, and not to 575 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 4: mention other cuts to other nonprofit Do you sense that 576 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 4: they're going to be deleterious effects about this or you're 577 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: going to see more We're going to be seeing more 578 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 4: in house or we're to see more you know, domestic 579 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 4: violence victims? 580 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: What what do you pretend? 581 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 3: Yeah? 582 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 5: I mean we we saw so during COVID, right, they 583 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 5: poured money into cities to try to solve these problems, 584 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 5: and we saw it get fixed better than it ever 585 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 5: had been a Here in Phoenix, our number of people 586 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 5: without shelter was the smallest it had been in I 587 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 5: think since they had started counting. And then last year 588 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 5: that funding ran out from the American Rescue Plan. Right, 589 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 5: And I know this is happening across the country and 590 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 5: all the cities, the county is the state. I'm sure 591 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 5: some of them would want to continue these progress, but 592 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 5: they're not willing to put money into it, so they 593 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 5: canceled all this. So here in Americopa County, we saw 594 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 5: homelessness for unsheltered folks rise over twenty eight percent in 595 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 5: a single year. That's like, I think, the sharpest increase 596 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 5: in a single year. These are all people who were 597 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 5: in a bed and are on the street period full stop. 598 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 5: And that's before these federal cuts that are like much 599 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 5: more serious are coming. And so we're already seeing huge 600 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 5: effects here at a New Leaf, we operate one of 601 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 5: the only failamily homeless shelters in the East vallag The 602 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 5: city of Masa is one of the largest cities in 603 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 5: the country too. Just by itself, it's huge. We have 604 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 5: one family shelter really to serve that area. We shut 605 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 5: it down a month ago because we know that we 606 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 5: can't sustain it. 607 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 3: It's just not possible. We want to. 608 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 5: We did everything we could and we're not going to 609 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 5: be able to keep that shelter open for family as 610 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 5: a need. That's the impact, that's the results, that's the 611 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 5: stamp on it of We are starting to see those 612 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 5: things come through, and you can that shit that it's 613 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 5: going to continue to get a lot worse. I mean, 614 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 5: we're going to see homelessness, evictions, domestic violence, all of 615 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 5: those things are going to jump and then people are 616 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 5: going to ask themselves why is this happening? And man, 617 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 5: we better be here to give them just a very 618 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 5: gentle reminder of where that came from. Because it's easy 619 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 5: to forget, you know. I mean, it's so easy to 620 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 5: forget you You talked about these cuts and no one 621 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 5: feels them yet. And then five years later, a year, two, three, four, 622 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 5: five years later, then people start to really see the 623 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 5: results and they're like, oh my god, how could this happen? No, 624 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 5: you've got to go into an eyes open and know 625 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 5: that this is the road that we're choosing to go down. 626 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 4: I was going to say, you know what this uptick 627 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 4: that you stated, where will people be able to go? 628 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 4: Is there any kind of backup plan once the funds 629 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 4: run out, or do they have other alternative resources or solutions. 630 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 4: I'm saying this because I already know the answer to it, 631 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 4: but I want it to resonate to the listeners to 632 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 4: see where So when they make when you hear ignorant 633 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 4: statements about their like being out here, they don't want 634 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 4: to be helped, or things like that, you can understand 635 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 4: why it's much more difficult to ask for help or 636 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 4: want to get off the streets or different things like 637 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 4: that because of these kind of real issues that deliberately 638 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 4: gets overlooked. 639 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, full stop, there's going to be people 640 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 5: who just have nowhere to go, period, And those people 641 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 5: are they're going to die on the streets, they're going 642 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 5: to be trapped in their car, they're going to have 643 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 5: nowhere to go with their kids, just period. 644 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 3: And we're still going to be here. We're going to 645 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 3: do the best we can. 646 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 5: We still have a couple other shelters all across the 647 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 5: valley that we operate, and some of those work, and 648 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 5: we're going to keep those running as best as we 649 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 5: can for as long as we can, for as many 650 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 5: people as possible. And I personally think we are in 651 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 5: a better position than a lot of other nonprofits that 652 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 5: are really struggling to even keep their doors open right now. 653 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 5: And yeah, people aren't going to have places to go. 654 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 5: That's what it's going to be. And when you see 655 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 5: them on the street, that's not a choice. That's that's 656 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 5: what the hand that they've been dealt, and we've chosen 657 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,280 Speaker 5: to let them keep it. 658 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very well put succinct metaphor. Is there anything 659 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 4: that you want to bring up and that I'm missing 660 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 4: because I I tend to comment date a conversation, So no. 661 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 5: I think just you know, you made a lot of 662 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 5: good points here just about how much the need is 663 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 5: how much fear is out there. But when you're thinking 664 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 5: about the community that you want, that the city that 665 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 5: you want, the neighborhood you want, don't let that stop you. 666 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 5: Don't let that stuff get in the way. The day 667 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 5: to day work is what's important. So I always tell 668 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 5: people get involved, volunteer, If you make enough money to donate, donate, 669 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 5: right there are so many things that you can do 670 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 5: to get involved. A New Leaf is just a small 671 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 5: organization working in the valley in Phoenix, but there's hundreds 672 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 5: of others. I guarantee you even just a mile down 673 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 5: the street from your home, probably there's a church that 674 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 5: serves meals, there's a homeless shelter, there's something, and if 675 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 5: you can do anything, I think right now you have 676 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 5: an obligation to step up and try to do something. 677 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: To help excellently point it out. Yeah, I agree. 678 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 4: You know, you cannot sit on sidelines anymore because you 679 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 4: know there's this statement. You know, when they came for 680 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 4: these group of people, I didn't say nothing. 681 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: When they came for me. There was nobody to speak up. 682 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 4: So it's this is the time where humanity is on 683 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 4: a precipice of people caring or they just not. You know, 684 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 4: we cannot just sit it on the sidelines. We have 685 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 4: to do things. Even speaking up, you know, even having 686 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 4: the show has provided me a large or broader platform 687 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 4: to make people aware of what's. 688 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: Going on here. You know, this is one of the 689 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: reasons I like. 690 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 4: You know, it's affecting everywhere in the country, but here's different, 691 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 4: individualized examples of how this could affect your place in 692 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 4: Arizona or other places that you are, and this is 693 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 4: the way they are doing it. 694 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 3: Yep. 695 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,720 Speaker 4: Yes, So I want to thank you for your time, 696 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 4: and is there any way that you have any information 697 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 4: how people can donate or research new leaf or volunteer 698 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 4: any of that information. 699 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want to donate, volunteer, get involved in 700 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 5: the Phoenix area, go to turn anew leef dot org 701 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 5: and check us out. You can put in a contact form, 702 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 5: you can make a donation on the website. You can 703 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 5: do whatever you want, but get involved and you can help. 704 00:35:59,280 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 3: Us help some people. 705 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: Excellent. I want to thank Tanner for this time. 706 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 3: Of course, and thank you for the time. We appreciate. 707 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 4: Thank you so much to Tanner for his time. You 708 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 4: can learn more about him at the links in the description, 709 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 4: I hope this episode opens your eyes about the many 710 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 4: realities and difficulty that unhoused people have to overcome in 711 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 4: each place across the country. In Arizona, for example, the 712 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 4: transportation system is not as efficient or accessible to residents 713 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 4: who are unhoused or displaced, thus making their challenges all 714 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 4: the more trying. In Unhoused News, I pointed out that 715 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 4: that more of a half of the heat related depths 716 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 4: in Arizona unhoused people. Taking this information into account, I 717 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 4: hope there will be more effective communication with the city 718 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 4: and state to create transportation opportunities to get unhoused people 719 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 4: to cooling centers with low barriers and expanded hours of service. 720 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,280 Speaker 4: If you have a story you'd like to share, please 721 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 4: reach out to me at Whedianhouse at gmail dot com 722 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 4: or Whedianhouse on Instagram. Thank you again for joining us 723 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 4: and listening. May we again meet in the light of understanding. 724 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 4: Whedian House is a production of iHeartRadio. It is written, hosted, 725 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 4: and created by me Theo Henderson. 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