WEBVTT - Chris Canty

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<v Speaker 1>This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at

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<v Speaker 1>production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Smith Senior and I'm a little John and this

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<v Speaker 1>is cut to it. Good do good do what they're

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<v Speaker 1>getting down to? Do it? Good do it. We asked

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<v Speaker 1>the questions you always want to know, but no one

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<v Speaker 1>ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't heard about it,

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<v Speaker 1>then we're about to let you know. It's all how

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<v Speaker 1>you know we are going into Super Bowl week? What

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<v Speaker 1>are the keys to victory for the Cincinnati Bengals. They've

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<v Speaker 1>they've invested two hundred and thirty million dollars in their defense.

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<v Speaker 1>They've done except and you can see their return there

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<v Speaker 1>are I return there on their investment on defense is

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<v Speaker 1>coming back there the way they shut down? Uh King Henry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes he wasn't, but that man ain't a tiptoe er.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he was still even though he wasn't a hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 1>he was still he was dropping a load on some flash.

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<v Speaker 1>A different dynamic. He has a different dynamic. They played

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<v Speaker 1>you have him ye a Woozier. Um, he was a

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<v Speaker 1>free agent from the Cowboys. Um. They decided to go

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<v Speaker 1>over to Anthony Brown. The Cowboys, and you can see

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<v Speaker 1>a Wooziers paying dividends for that investment for the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 1>and letting him walk. Um. Jesse based the third All Star.

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<v Speaker 1>He's all Star. He's a guy. He's he's he's making plays.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also he gets his head in the game so

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<v Speaker 1>much that he's not afraid to get ran over. And

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<v Speaker 1>he will get ran over a few times, but he

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<v Speaker 1>shows up every plane. He's not afraid he'll pick one off.

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<v Speaker 1>He will. So it's very smart. Um. From the shoulders up, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>i q A football is outstanding from the shoulders down,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's remarkable as well. And so what are

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<v Speaker 1>your keys to the game for the Los Angeles Rams?

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles Rams? Uh? In their defense, maintain their dominance. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd Donald and Von Miller cannot have cannot have an

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<v Speaker 1>off day. UM got my guy back. Who I saw

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<v Speaker 1>him at the Rose Bowl. We were chit chatting and

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<v Speaker 1>talking and then now he's playing right. So that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty remarkable. That's awesome. Uh. I love what you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to address that that the elephant in the

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<v Speaker 1>room is look at the explosiveness and um getting a

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<v Speaker 1>man Uh, taking those handcuffs off and allowing him to

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<v Speaker 1>be the Odell Beckham that we we we've loved to

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<v Speaker 1>see that makes the the spectacular grabs, that makes the

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<v Speaker 1>yards after catch. He's playing well and you got him

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<v Speaker 1>with Cooper cups things a whole lot different. You could

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<v Speaker 1>call him emmony and ivory. You can call him hot

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<v Speaker 1>chocolate and and and marshmallows brick. Hey, them brothers are

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<v Speaker 1>singing a good song and a great combination. Right. It's

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<v Speaker 1>awesome right just watching them play. But you know, Matthew

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<v Speaker 1>Stafford is battling a lot of injuries. The Rams have

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<v Speaker 1>had some injuries. Uh you know a little bit with

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<v Speaker 1>with Worth and some of those guys on offense line.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're playing great and uh can make him coming back.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been a spark plug. So there you have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the keys to victory for Super Bowl fifty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's happened and you ordered to me? So cut cut cut,

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<v Speaker 1>hey man, Welcome to the Cut to a podcast. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Canty, former defensive tackle. Also you played into you

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<v Speaker 1>played a lot of different things for a big man.

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<v Speaker 1>You were very virtatile. Um, you know, the more you

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<v Speaker 1>can do, the longer you can stay around. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that absolutely Super Bowl champ with the g Man with

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Giants and then also being drafted by

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<v Speaker 1>the Star by the Dallas Cowboys attend the Universe Ship Virginia. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to to cut to a podcast with Steve Smith

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<v Speaker 1>and draw a little John Man. Um, just thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>taking the time. Um, you know at your busy schedule. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're in New York and traveling doing all the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing. Uh, you know, going out and Bristol. So

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<v Speaker 1>I know, uh, you know, you take your time as

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<v Speaker 1>a privilege and we don't want to uh, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to overlook that. Now. I appreciate you guys having

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<v Speaker 1>me yard if I'm glad I'm finally having an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>and having the privilege to be Yard. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>that you had My Colles might go to Junior before me.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's a story for another day. We'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>get that straight. That's my fault, Chris. I'm sorry you ran.

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<v Speaker 1>You ran into that one on your We weren't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>weren't with the That's what's up, man. I mean, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say enough good things about what you've done

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<v Speaker 1>in your post playing career, not only the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing the sports media, but the stuff that you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing the community, man, and just that leadership that you've shown,

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<v Speaker 1>that you've demonstrated, um is something to be admired and

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that's also inspiring for the next generation of

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<v Speaker 1>athletes following behind you. Well, I appreciate it, bro, I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. Man. Let's get let's let's let's get to

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<v Speaker 1>the fun stuff. Man. So if you had one extra

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<v Speaker 1>hour a free time a day, how would you use it?

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<v Speaker 1>I use it to workout because I need to start

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<v Speaker 1>getting back into working out. It's hard for me to

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<v Speaker 1>get motivated to work out when it's not a check

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<v Speaker 1>on the other end of it. And with the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four hours that I have between the business ventures that

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<v Speaker 1>I got going on and then the sports media stuff

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<v Speaker 1>making sure that I'm on top of the latest news

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<v Speaker 1>and notes from around the sports world. UM, it just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like I have enough time. Also, just got

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<v Speaker 1>engaged or you got appreciate, appreciated. It's going it down

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<v Speaker 1>in August and Chicago finally settled down a wonderful woman. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I also got to invest in that relationship too. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like it doesn't seem like there's enough hours

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<v Speaker 1>in the day to get everything that I need to

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<v Speaker 1>get done. And so the one part that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>falling off since I stopped playing is making sure that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm regularly in the gym. So if I had an

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<v Speaker 1>extra hour every day, absolutely put that toward working out. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I I just think that man, when you work out

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<v Speaker 1>and you push yourself through it and you're forced to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. Man, when you have that that freedom, you

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<v Speaker 1>just go, no, I'm good, you just go. Then something

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<v Speaker 1>then something happens, like the mirror hit you that you

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<v Speaker 1>got that mirror coming you look, you go, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>just ain't what I used to be. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>get Then you get on the scale for further confirmation

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<v Speaker 1>that scales say you fat boy, Yeah that's what got

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<v Speaker 1>because you know I'm six eight, so you know I

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<v Speaker 1>can stretch, Yeah, stretch. You think you can stretch ahead?

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<v Speaker 1>I think, I think. But when I stepped on that

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<v Speaker 1>scale and I saw a number, and going back to

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<v Speaker 1>last year when we were in the middle of the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a number that I've never seen before. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, wait a minute, dog, I was like those

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic snaps different, yes, exactly. Like it's one thing to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the Three Hunters, but when you start being

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of three fifty, that's when I realized.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, all right, we gotta problem. We gotta

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<v Speaker 1>scale this thing way back. Hey bro, I got up

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<v Speaker 1>to three. I got up to two too. I got

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<v Speaker 1>up to to fifteen. Yeah, and I'm five nine, So

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<v Speaker 1>to fifteen on five nine. You you out here looking

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<v Speaker 1>like Maurice Jones. Leave my dog alone, man, leave stop it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got love for dog too. That's why I

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<v Speaker 1>can keep it one h always love. Don't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like that. That's always loved. Alright, alright, let's

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<v Speaker 1>move on. We've digressed. Hey man, what are you most

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for right now? I'm most grateful for the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm in right now, Like this is a new

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<v Speaker 1>chapter for me, getting engaged and Q chapter mel Melon.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been together for four years now, and just

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<v Speaker 1>it felt like this was the official start to my

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<v Speaker 1>life after football, like meeting her and courting her and

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<v Speaker 1>then just the growth that I've seen in her and

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<v Speaker 1>the growth that I've seen in myself. Um, I'm grateful

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<v Speaker 1>for that. Man, I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful for

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<v Speaker 1>my family. Everybody in my immediate family made it through

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic. You know, I know we're still kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with a couple of variants, but everybody is healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody's good, you know, all blessings on that front. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not something that I take for granted, because

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of friends, a lot of former

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<v Speaker 1>teammates who lost family members at various points during the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think that's that's been one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that's kind of gave me a new level of

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<v Speaker 1>appreciation for just you know, health and strength and being

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<v Speaker 1>able to to love on the people that you care

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<v Speaker 1>about the most in this world, not missing those opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>trying not to get wrapped up when you follow up

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<v Speaker 1>after what you just said and how you said it,

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<v Speaker 1>and how you you know what you said is is

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes we feel like we have to follow us something,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you try to. I'm just going back on

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<v Speaker 1>my career and just seeing people of that I enjoyed,

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<v Speaker 1>but then also like some bug a booze or like

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<v Speaker 1>pet Peeves, and I think in the locker room a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times it happens the one upper right, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know and so and so the way he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I kind of went backwards, something like, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be that. So I'm I'm grateful

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<v Speaker 1>for life, right. I think that's that's plenty, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>being great because there's a lot of people who maybe

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<v Speaker 1>woke up and they didn't have that today. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just just after he said it, like I just

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<v Speaker 1>going back in the cliche thing. Nah, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>with with Chris is right now. With Chris is so

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<v Speaker 1>different because we'll get into the football aspect. Man, me

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<v Speaker 1>and Chris were teammates at the right time, at the

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<v Speaker 1>right moment, with the right perspective. Right, our perspective was

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<v Speaker 1>so we were so unapologetic on our pursuit of being

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<v Speaker 1>a Raven and being a bully and plane and establishing

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves but also raising our level of expectation because Troy

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<v Speaker 1>was still playing at the time, Troy Polamalu, right, Big

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<v Speaker 1>Bend was Big Ben. They had some good players. And

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<v Speaker 1>that was my first time in Baltimore as a Raven,

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<v Speaker 1>and I and and so much had transpired leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to that of me proving myself as a Raven proving

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<v Speaker 1>myself as still you know, a thirty six, thirty seven

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<v Speaker 1>year old player. And Chris has known me for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, played against me, known me, and it was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how much does he have left in the tank? And

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<v Speaker 1>Chris like Chris, Hello, d uh doom. There's a few

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<v Speaker 1>guys that they were like, you understand what we got.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there were some guys that like doubted me,

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<v Speaker 1>like y'all bet all right, y'all, y'all gonna doubt, y'all

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<v Speaker 1>gonna doubt Smithy're gonna see him. You're gonna find out

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<v Speaker 1>real quick. And so we'll get into later talking ball

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<v Speaker 1>on that. Because I had to establish my physics county

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<v Speaker 1>and stabs myself very early. But I also fell into

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<v Speaker 1>some mont Cheesemo, some some guy interaction that even in Baltimore,

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<v Speaker 1>it took him back a little bit. And and Hellot

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<v Speaker 1>and Chris like some of those guys saw a part

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<v Speaker 1>of me. They were like, see, I told you, y'all

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<v Speaker 1>didn't poke the wrong Bann. No, that's true, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>But we do go way back. I mean even to

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<v Speaker 1>when I was in college and you were with the

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina Pathers. My parents still called the Charlotte Community Home,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I had an opportunity to get to know

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<v Speaker 1>Smitty before I even got into the league. And then

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<v Speaker 1>my early days with the Dallas Cowboys. I remember you

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<v Speaker 1>used to invite me out to your annual golf outing. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But just the way that you carried yourself and the

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<v Speaker 1>classes that you you exhibited, but then the dog that

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<v Speaker 1>you had on the field, Like I was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's anybody that's doing this the right way in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of being a top competitor but also being a

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<v Speaker 1>stalwart in the community that Steve Smith like that that

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<v Speaker 1>was that was who he was. And so when he

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<v Speaker 1>decided to to come to the Baltimore Ravens after his

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<v Speaker 1>time with the Carolina Panthers, I was like, I know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what we're getting getting somebody that that embodies all

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we were proud to have on

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<v Speaker 1>the defensive side of the ball, like the mentality in

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore with that organization, it's always been defense, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>been rugged, it's always been dogs, and that was the

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<v Speaker 1>element that we didn't have on that offensive side of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. The Ravens lost that when they lost an

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<v Speaker 1>Kwan Bolder and so when they got Steve's when we

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<v Speaker 1>got Steve Smith, like it was like, okay, now we're

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<v Speaker 1>back on. Like that's why we were in the playoffs

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<v Speaker 1>because we had that identity on both sides of the ball. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was, I mean from day one, Shocky Brown remember that,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I remember Say Brown had the hardware, had to

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<v Speaker 1>learn the hardware. If anybody knows, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>know football, there Big ten, Big twelve Man, Mountain, West

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<v Speaker 1>Pac ten Pac twelve, Like we're considered the cousin. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we were in the family of football, but we're really

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<v Speaker 1>not respected and rightfully so looking at the bowl season

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<v Speaker 1>this year, like we literally only had I think we

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<v Speaker 1>are owing five right in bowls for Pact twelve, so

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't. We are not really looked at as a yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not right. But Shocky Brown, who We're good. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we're cool. We were actually in a buddy of former

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<v Speaker 1>teammates wedding together. But man, we get there and Shocky's

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<v Speaker 1>a Texas dude, right, I'm talking about He's he went

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<v Speaker 1>to Texas physicality all that stuff, and Shocky was was

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<v Speaker 1>he was a talker, but he wasn't. All football players

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<v Speaker 1>are talkers, right, there. They jabbed, they talked, They they're funny,

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<v Speaker 1>but they also extremely competitive, right, vinegar and water. When

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to competitive when they're in Baltimore, they keep

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<v Speaker 1>it really competitive, like they keep counting and man, me

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<v Speaker 1>and Shocky used to go at it. And I would

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<v Speaker 1>come in and you've heard a lot of teammates I

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<v Speaker 1>come in and in Baltimore, I had like I knew

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<v Speaker 1>I had to earn my stripes. There was a question

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<v Speaker 1>mark of can old dude still play? And I came

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<v Speaker 1>in and Shocky tried me, and uh Ladarius tried me.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a few dudes when I say tried me,

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<v Speaker 1>We're sitting there and they would be in the cafeteria

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<v Speaker 1>and just to say something, what you're doing today, old man?

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<v Speaker 1>And I used to always time I say, listen, you

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<v Speaker 1>can press me. Just don't hit me in my face

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<v Speaker 1>mask remember in the in the calf don't hit me

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<v Speaker 1>in my face. Man, Ninja, what you're gonna do if

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<v Speaker 1>I hit you in your face? I'm just telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna waste my eggs today. When I'm telling

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<v Speaker 1>me when we get on that already prepping over over breakfast, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how it was Baltimore was. It was challenging

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<v Speaker 1>when you walked in the room, when you walked in

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<v Speaker 1>the facility, you better be on your piece and ques

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<v Speaker 1>your game will be challenged. And so we would just

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<v Speaker 1>go at it and show its Ladarius. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of those guys. They would challenge me, sis, who's

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<v Speaker 1>my locker made? Man? They're talking about blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see what you got today? Eight nine? What

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<v Speaker 1>you got? And so it's scissors. I'm in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>Scissors to the right. Knthy is one over? Doom was

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<v Speaker 1>over there too, was over there, Elvis Doomerville, Um, hello

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<v Speaker 1>Ti nada Um? Who else? Who else was? Who else

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<v Speaker 1>was who? On Park Avenue? Oh Jimmy Jimmy smithe he

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of money on that. It was I

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<v Speaker 1>just I was like, wait a minute, I got I

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<v Speaker 1>got a simmer with that with that metaphor. Shoot, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably about four hundred million dollars worth the earnest on there.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Helloi was in his third contract. I was on

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<v Speaker 1>my third or fourth contract. Six man, you know he

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<v Speaker 1>was on his third. It was a third or four.

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<v Speaker 1>It will hold bunch of us. It was shoot, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>telling you probably you'll probably half a billion dollars worth

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<v Speaker 1>the on that on there. But you know what's funny,

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<v Speaker 1>Smithy you say that, But the way we went to work,

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<v Speaker 1>we set the toe. You would have never you would

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<v Speaker 1>have never known it. It was like it was like

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of money, but guys grinded like

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<v Speaker 1>we were on our rookie deals, like we were still

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<v Speaker 1>trying to prove. The outlier was Shocky Brown, That's what

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<v Speaker 1>it was. That was shot bround. He was. He was

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<v Speaker 1>like trade Stree. He was over there, bro No, he

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<v Speaker 1>was like public Works was probably sat James for right,

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<v Speaker 1>I probably like st James right right. So he's sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there and so in practice, so he hit. He hits

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<v Speaker 1>me in my face mask and I said something and

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<v Speaker 1>Spaggs was a dB coach at the time, spack noah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I said something to him. I said, yo, you

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<v Speaker 1>guy hit me and Spags looked at me. Chris looked

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<v Speaker 1>at me. I was like, you ain't gonna do nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I he Chris saw, look at my eye. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a middle train. He saw, look at my eye. I

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<v Speaker 1>walked over there and I said, y'all, I'm fucked up

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<v Speaker 1>now and walked back I put my red mouth piece

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<v Speaker 1>in my mouth, button up my chin strap. The next play,

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<v Speaker 1>we had to break down into wire receivers and DB's blocking,

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<v Speaker 1>and a wide receiver was the running back. The receiver

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<v Speaker 1>was the blocker corner. So I go up to go

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<v Speaker 1>but uh, oklahoma drip, Yes, I go up. But one

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<v Speaker 1>of the guys that was supposed to go up was

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<v Speaker 1>a guy respected right he and I was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not in the right frame of mind, and Shocky says, no,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry about a dog. I'll go next. Right here

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<v Speaker 1>we go. We lined up, strap up, put my mouth

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<v Speaker 1>piece in my mouth. Bobby Ingram heck the wire receivers coach,

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's the Titans coach. Blows the whistle. We run boom.

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<v Speaker 1>After we hit, Shocky helmet pops up. Now how does

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<v Speaker 1>Chris No? First of all, it's buzzing around there. That

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<v Speaker 1>Steve is hot. He's on a tangent. Then they also

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<v Speaker 1>watched it as a unit, and the coaches on the

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<v Speaker 1>iPad rewatched it because you know what happened after we collided.

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<v Speaker 1>Guess what Shocky did not know we was about to do.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think we did? I mean, if this

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma drial. He probably mad, right you are you ready

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<v Speaker 1>to scrap? Okay, tell him what I did. Right after

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<v Speaker 1>we hit collided, Shocky pulls down his helmet. What did

0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I do? You just let him know what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I started boxing him. Literally, boom boom, boot started hitting him.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's right. Helpt pops up, helmet pops up. He

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<v Speaker 1>puts it down. And now I'm throwing haymakers underneath his

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<v Speaker 1>chin strap and he's Paul's eating them. That that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we got back in the locker room. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>we got back in the locker room because he got

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<v Speaker 1>back about all we He com back saying was that

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<v Speaker 1>that Mr. T Line, I pity the fool, And you

0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.040
<v Speaker 1>just kept saying that about Brown. You got pity the

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<v Speaker 1>food by Steve Smith. But see here the other that

0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.320
<v Speaker 1>you got. He got pity the food by by by

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Smith. But but I think in that moment he

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<v Speaker 1>was Agent eighty nine. So what you gotta understand, like

0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:22.200
<v Speaker 1>with Steve like he's got split personalities. It's like three

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<v Speaker 1>or four different Steve Smith like you no no disrespect.

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<v Speaker 1>They they none of them are offended. Right now, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not Steve. There's Mr Smith, there's the Smitty and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's Agent eighty nine, and in that moment it was

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<v Speaker 1>Agent eighty nine. When you put that mouthpiece in, it

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<v Speaker 1>was something August Man. Here's the thing. I knew how

0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:53.840
<v Speaker 1>it was gonna end. Shocky Brown didn't. But what Steve

0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't tell you was Shocky was always one of those

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<v Speaker 1>dudes that was popping off in the locker room. Was

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<v Speaker 1>we felt like, and as veteran players, were like, Okay,

0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that's cool, but you're doing a lot of talking and

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<v Speaker 1>we're not seeing the production. So we wanted to let

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<v Speaker 1>it play out because we felt like this would be

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<v Speaker 1>a lesson for Shocky so we can learn, so he

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<v Speaker 1>could be a more productive player and help us win.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this was a means too and there for us. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>SIS knew what's gonna happen, Like in other words, we

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<v Speaker 1>can show you better than we can tell you. But

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<v Speaker 1>the problem, the problem, See we had to but see

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<v Speaker 1>we had told him that the ball, you gotta go

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<v Speaker 1>out there ball, but when you pop off, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>run up on the wrong one and you're gonna learn today.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what I talked. Here's the problem, though,

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<v Speaker 1>No boys talking to me off the ledge because it

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna go. It was going down in the locker

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<v Speaker 1>room till this day, which is is sad and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying in a bragging way. Shocky was sitting in

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<v Speaker 1>his locker in full uniform. Remember he had his helmet

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<v Speaker 1>own because I told him they coach is like, hey,

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:05.760
<v Speaker 1>y'all taking the locker room. Since said no, coach with

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<v Speaker 1>since like don't know, we we gotta keep practicing. Yeah, Bro,

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<v Speaker 1>I sat. They literally hello, the few of them is like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>keep it out of the locker room. Because Shocky was

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in his locker with his pass on because he

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<v Speaker 1>expected what I expected. It was gonna go there. It

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna be as we say, it was not a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. It was gonna be a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>furniture moving and and sins. Actually it was one since

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<v Speaker 1>like don't do it, bro, because I was at the

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<v Speaker 1>point I was on red. I had the cold to

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<v Speaker 1>the new button and I was pushing it and the

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<v Speaker 1>boys like, don't do it. You already got two strikes, Steve,

0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:56.040
<v Speaker 1>don't and we said we literally he sat, you want

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<v Speaker 1>to see get put behind the wall. Oh it was

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<v Speaker 1>gold as the season went on. Shocky's biggest encouragement, his

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<v Speaker 1>biggest cheerleader was me when he made a play. I

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<v Speaker 1>was the first person to let him know. It took

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<v Speaker 1>me probably about three or four weeks, because I actually

0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:22.760
<v Speaker 1>was so hot. I had put him in my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a little I had put a reminder on

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<v Speaker 1>my phone. I said, moving forward, Now, bro, when when

0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>you check in, I'm putting you on notice my goal

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 1>on Monday, whooped? Shock, He's asked. Wednesday, whoop? Shock, He's

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 1>ask And I had actually put it in my calendar

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<v Speaker 1>every day whoop. And he walked over and told him

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<v Speaker 1>in his locker like we're going out of every day.

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna whoop your ass. Ye. And finally, but after

0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:01.400
<v Speaker 1>about three weeks, I was like, look, you can play

0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:05.399
<v Speaker 1>in this league. Just keep your mouth closed, chopped wood.

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:11.600
<v Speaker 1>You'll be all right. And unfortunately we had sustained some injuries,

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:16.600
<v Speaker 1>like two games in that actually ended up or he

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<v Speaker 1>had to make a play and if you go back

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<v Speaker 1>that play I get I made against the Cincinnati Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>to win the game, comes back and to play that

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<v Speaker 1>A J. A J. Green made Guess who that corner was?

0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:38.879
<v Speaker 1>Who was on Jack Brown, but instead of putting them down,

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:42.439
<v Speaker 1>we all encouraged them to let him know that he

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:44.920
<v Speaker 1>had earned his stripes to that mistake was not who

0:25:44.960 --> 0:25:48.879
<v Speaker 1>he was moving forward. That A J. Brown is just

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 1>a damn really cood player. H A J. Yeah, A J.

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<v Speaker 1>Green And he is a pro bowler and he just

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<v Speaker 1>on this. Chris is what's the psyche as as as

0:26:46.400 --> 0:26:49.199
<v Speaker 1>Steve talks about the dynamic in the makeup of the

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<v Speaker 1>locker room from your advantage point to Chris playing with

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<v Speaker 1>not only the Baltimore Ravens, at that time. But with

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<v Speaker 1>the Giants win the Super Bowl and with the Dallas Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the psyche of a playoff team in now is

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<v Speaker 1>we're getting ready going to the playoffs and subsequently leading

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<v Speaker 1>to the super Bowl. What's the psyche of then a

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 1>super Bowl winning team? Like bringing it all together those

0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 1>different types of personality, traits and characters, well, the mentality

0:27:14.960 --> 0:27:17.439
<v Speaker 1>is not the same. When I was with the Dallas

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys and we were in the playoffs that that was

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>arguably the most talented team that I've ever been a

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.640
<v Speaker 1>part of. In two thousand and seven, we were thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>and three, the number one seed in the conference, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were one and done. We lost to the eventual

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl champion New York Giants. Now, that was a

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 1>team in our division that we had boat race twice

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>in the regular season. But when it comes to success

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>in the postseason, and Steve can attest this, it's not

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.919
<v Speaker 1>just about being able to have talent. It's about the chemistry.

0:27:49.000 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 1>It's about the culture that you have in the building.

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>And that's what allowed my Giants team inven to win

0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.359
<v Speaker 1>the Chip. Like to this day, that's the only team

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.359
<v Speaker 1>not to have double digit wins to actually win the

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl. And the reason for that, the reason why

0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>we were able to survive a stretched during the regular

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 1>season where we lost four straight games, was because you

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 1>had the right mix of guys in that locker room.

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 1>You had a core players that had a confidence that

0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>they could get it done because a lot of them

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 1>have done it before four years earlier. But then you

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.560
<v Speaker 1>also had some guys that were hungry and that we're

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>trying to prove that they were elite players in this league.

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.719
<v Speaker 1>There were guys that were trying to establish themselves as

0:28:33.800 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 1>young players. It was the right blend. It wasn't always

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.000
<v Speaker 1>sunshine and roses in that locker room. I didn't like

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>every player in that locker room, but I loved every

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>player in that locker room. And to Steve's point, that's

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 1>why you ride. It's gotta be about something bigger than

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>yourself when you go out there and play, especially in

0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>the biggest stages, in the biggest games in this league.

0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 1>If it's only about you, you can make selfish decisions,

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 1>you can make business decisions that don't necessarily lead to

0:29:04.040 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 1>team success. But when it's about the guy next to you,

0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:11.440
<v Speaker 1>there's a certain sacrifice and the trust level. There's a

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 1>certain trust that you're willing to repay with sacrificing your

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 1>body for the greater good. Like Tom Coffley used to

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:23.200
<v Speaker 1>stand up in front of us all the time and

0:29:23.240 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>he would say, my job as a coach is to

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>be your mirror. All I do is tell you what

0:29:29.040 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>I see. The other thing that I'm responsible for doing

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.480
<v Speaker 1>is trying to get you to do what you don't

0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>want to do so you can become what you want

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>to become. I think that twenty eleven Giants team is

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>a perfect example of that because we were not the

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>most talented team in the NFL. We were not like

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>you guys, hit it at the right moment. And it's

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>also it's also hitting it at the right moment. You

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>gotta think about it, y'all. Had I believe r J

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>mccorters right as a dB No, R R W whatn't

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>on that team he was on the two thousand and

0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 1>seventeen had Grant. Yes. Yeah, so you had you had

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>some players basically where they at the elite level on paper. No,

0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 1>but when you win against them, man whom some with

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:23.440
<v Speaker 1>guns was elite. They could tell you what route you're running.

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>They get they could watch this watch that they they had.

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 1>They spent enough time studying, and when they played, they

0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>were well versed, well prepared, and the anticipation of the

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>play calling was dynamic and they were able to execute

0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>it as well. Right as. I think that's one of

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the biggest things that I think young folks that are

0:30:53.000 --> 0:31:01.959
<v Speaker 1>playing today lack, which is finishing and extra cusham because

0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I am and noticed as you didn't say talent. Nope,

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 1>because mom, you can be a high energy practice guy,

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>but if on whatever designated day you're playing, if you

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 1>don't execute, then that high energy doesn't mean anything. You

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>can go to work and have a lot of high energy,

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 1>but if you get fired, guess what, you ain't got

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>a paycheck. Right soection and I think, and I believe

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:33.560
<v Speaker 1>sometimes people think about because this football stuff now, sports

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>has become more too about personality and sometimes you can

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 1>fool people. And I'm not gonna name no native, but

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying I'm not trying to like talk around Caroline.

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the league overall. You can have some

0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>players who are really good in the community, but pisspoort

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>execution on Sunday and it takes you a while to

0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>figure out there they're fraudulent, that they're fakes CEO's that

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>what they really are are managers, shift managers who can

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>hide behind stuff. But when you're real. CEO C he

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>was a D tackle, So he was a CEO of

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Chris knty LLC as a D tackle and he went

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>against the guards and a center who were CEOs. And

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>you found out real quickly that CEO that business, that

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.240
<v Speaker 1>company a lot better than that other company he was

0:32:34.280 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>going up against. And and and that's the that's the

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.320
<v Speaker 1>difference these young these young guys. And there's guys like

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Cooper Cup, that young man, he figures it out and

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:46.040
<v Speaker 1>he's a great executor, right, great finisher man. But there's

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 1>some players out there, and I'm not naming names or

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to say that, but I just I'm trying to

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 1>be honest. Not all fifty three guys on the roster

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 1>are great. Some of them are just buddass average, right,

0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's nothing wrong with it. But because they have

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>that star or that emblem, that shield, they get a

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 1>hall pass man that shield, that star can't say you're

0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>asking on between the white lines and they say say,

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 1>go it's four, it's four. Ft three playing against playing

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 1>against him, is four ft three playing against Chris Canty.

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:21.840
<v Speaker 1>He's with whoever he's with. We're going four front three.

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>They gotta pass it, Chris. Can you know they're gonna

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>either run some kind of trickeration run the screen. But

0:33:28.040 --> 0:33:30.479
<v Speaker 1>if they if they don't run this screen and they

0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 1>run in the past. And he knows I'm on the

0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>other side. He knows they're going to one guy. He's

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:37.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna be the first look. And that first look is

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna beat me. And so I'm looking at the Chris

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>is looking at me. They all look at me. Check this,

0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>check that, and I'm looking going. I gotta answer because

0:33:44.960 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't let I can't let the men and women.

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>And I said women, because all these men have women

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and children that depend on they're doing their job. And

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>then when the quarterback delivers the ball, I can't let

0:33:57.240 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>them down. I can't take food off the table, mix

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:03.120
<v Speaker 1>take gas out of their minivans. And so I'm going

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:06.239
<v Speaker 1>and I realize what it is. And so football, man,

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 1>football is one of those things. It gives you so much.

0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>It can buy you and and and and free you

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 1>up to do things that man, I I just feel

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 1>it I feel me and Chris and a lot of

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 1>guys we've had on this podcast as professional players professionals. Man,

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>I lived a thousand kings lives. I'm living in palaces.

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 1>I've been able to We've been able to travel the

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 1>world do things. But that's because we execute. And I'm

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:40.719
<v Speaker 1>not saying it in a flex I'm not saying it now.

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying what it is. But at the end

0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:46.800
<v Speaker 1>of the day, it goes to if you can execute,

0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 1>and you can do it, and you can follow through,

0:34:48.640 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 1>and you have that ability to keep everything together, and

0:34:56.440 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>it's probably one of the things that you can never duplicate.

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:03.240
<v Speaker 1>And you can do it with men that you've swept

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 1>with that they know your hustle, they know they grind,

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>but they also know your failures, and they they know

0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>your skeletons because they've watched you suffering the weight room,

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>get injured in the training room, bury your heart and

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 1>your soul. Cry when you get injured, look in the

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 1>eyes and the souls of men after they've lost and

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 1>been defeated, and then do it all over again them all. Yeah,

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 1>that's the beautiful part about sports. But also football, man,

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>and I think that football is the greatest team game

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>because you got to have all the leven seed in

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>the same way in order to be successful in any

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.000
<v Speaker 1>giving play. And the thing that you said, Steve, that

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:46.360
<v Speaker 1>really resonated right there is like the game of football

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:49.680
<v Speaker 1>paid you back. And when you say that, people automatically

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:52.759
<v Speaker 1>go to the money, but you also go to the relationship.

0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:55.879
<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, there are guys that I played with

0:35:56.360 --> 0:36:00.520
<v Speaker 1>college and pro those are gonna be lifelong brothers. And

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.319
<v Speaker 1>the reason why it's like that because they see the

0:36:03.400 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>sacrifice that I was willing to make for them, not

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the fakes academics develop the bar that the that that developed,

0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the bar that developed a trust level like that guy

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>knew that he could depend on me, that how and

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>how he feeds his family is depending on how I'm

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna play on Sunday. He knew he could depend on me.

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:24.479
<v Speaker 1>And that's important. And that's because we're in the weight room,

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 1>we're on the field together, and he sees, man, Tuesday,

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:34.240
<v Speaker 1>we did it wrong. Ain't no off, that, ain't no Wednesday.

0:36:34.280 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 1>We did Wednesday, we did it wrong. Thursday we did

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>three out of five. Right Friday we walking through it.

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Saturday is our last opportunity I don't know, coach, look

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>at him, he'll get it. And then on Sunday he

0:36:51.760 --> 0:36:55.040
<v Speaker 1>got it. He didn't just get it, he blew it up.

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Tackle the guy calls the fumble, We picked it up.

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden and I'm in the

0:37:01.080 --> 0:37:04.279
<v Speaker 1>same weight room as him, maybe doing I know for

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 1>a fact, doing a lot less weights than Chris and

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 1>then giving a ball. So just just all of that. Man,

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, talk about you went to Dallas Cowboys. Man,

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>talk about that star that start gives some guys, some

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>average dudes. Man that started, that started like a that

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>started like three billion dollars. Man, you see an ugly brother,

0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 1>that's you see. You know what they say is man,

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>money is not everything, but it's right there. Up. What

0:37:32.640 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>actually did you know? I take It's nice to happen.

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I turn it down and you go. You go fourth

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:46.800
<v Speaker 1>round hundred and thirty second overall pick out of Virginia,

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>University of Virginia, and you go there and tell me

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:56.719
<v Speaker 1>to impact a plan for America's team with the Dallas Cowboys.

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:07.240
<v Speaker 1>And you guys wanted probably the most and most intriguing, intense, straightforward,

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:14.040
<v Speaker 1>but yet sometimes will play what's your mind with Bill Parcels.

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>So for me, Um getting drafted Dallas was cool, but

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't excited about it because I went in the

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>fourth round and I thought I was gonna be, you know,

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.239
<v Speaker 1>a first round pick or a second round pick. But

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I had some major injuries coming out of college. This

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 1>located my knee towards three ligaments, and then I had

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a detached retina. So I'm getting the Dallas and then

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 1>they got a ton of injury concerns around me. They

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:40.279
<v Speaker 1>don't even know if I might ever be able to

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:44.520
<v Speaker 1>play football again. So I'm pissed about the situation. But

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I go into it Um with a lot of experience.

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>And I say a lot of experience because I played

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.800
<v Speaker 1>for al grow at the University of Virginia, and anybody

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:57.919
<v Speaker 1>that knows football knows that role was one of parts. Yeah,

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>round of een. But he was one of bill ourselves

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:03.240
<v Speaker 1>lieutenants when he was with the New York Giants winning

0:39:03.239 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 1>Super Bowls. So at the time, Bill was switching from

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.920
<v Speaker 1>a four three defense to a thirty four defense. And

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 1>that's all I played in college. So when I get

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>into the locker room, I'm with guys like le Roy

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Glover and Greg Ellis and um, you know they're trying

0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to ask me about what we're doing defensively. Hell, even

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Mike Zimmers asking me about how the defensive front needs

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 1>to be called in order to be able to play

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 1>stack defense because I played stack defense for four years

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:36.040
<v Speaker 1>in college. And oh, by the way, one of my

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 1>mentors while I was in Charlottesville was how we long

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:42.440
<v Speaker 1>because he lived there, so I knew pretty much everything

0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 1>there is to know about three or four defense. So

0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 1>with the che from that standpoint, it wasn't it wasn't

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>a it wasn't a huge, huge learned curve for me.

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 1>The biggest adjustment for me was going up against grown

0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 1>men and and the thing that going to Dallas did

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.920
<v Speaker 1>for me was I got a chance to practice against

0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Larry Allen and flows Hell Adams every single day, every

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 1>single day. I remember my first training camp practice. I

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 1>had a one on one pass rush against Larry Allen.

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I try to I try to bullshit spin move and

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 1>he caught me mid spin it chokes slamming and then

0:40:33.320 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>started sea walking. And I looked at my defensive line coach,

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Casey Rodgers, and he said, I got good news, and

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I got bad news. I said well, hell, what's the

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:47.359
<v Speaker 1>what's the good news? The good news is that's about

0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 1>as best as you're gonna see for the rest of

0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 1>your career. I said, Okay, well, what's the bad news.

0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.319
<v Speaker 1>The bad news is you're gonna practice again that song

0:40:56.360 --> 0:41:01.759
<v Speaker 1>every day. But but, but, but but that was what

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 1>allowed me to learn the NFL game, kind of like

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 1>that teachable moment that Shocky Brown had with Steve Smith.

0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 1>That was my teachable moment in a much different way.

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 1>But he was right because I never went into a

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 1>game and felt overwhelmed by any of the opponents that

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:28.360
<v Speaker 1>I was going up again. Cut. Let's get down to it. Hey, Gerard,

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 1>why did you get that T shirt? You mean, Oh, yes,

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 1>I got it from cut to a podcast dot com

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:36.799
<v Speaker 1>where we have exclusive merchandise. Shout out to our guys

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 1>at seven or four shot. But yeah, you can go on,

0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 1>buy you a T shirt, subscribe to us wheever you

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:45.760
<v Speaker 1>listen to podcasts. Steve, I think you hit on something

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:50.359
<v Speaker 1>that not a lot of people talk about. But it's

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>a real thing. Dallas does make guys stars literally and figuratively.

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.560
<v Speaker 1>The problem with that is guys think there are a

0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:02.919
<v Speaker 1>lot better than they actually are, and That's that's why

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys haven't won a championship since n That's that's why

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:13.359
<v Speaker 1>they have this perception of what they are, and sometimes

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.520
<v Speaker 1>that gets in the way of doing the things that

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:20.920
<v Speaker 1>are hard in order to move your program forward, making

0:42:20.920 --> 0:42:23.720
<v Speaker 1>sure that on a day in, day out basis, guys

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:27.040
<v Speaker 1>are grinding. It's too comfortable down there in Dallas. More

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.879
<v Speaker 1>often than not, it's too because everybody's praising you. Bill

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Parcelles to say, don't take the cheese. Don't take the cheese.

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>But when you have an owner and Jerry Jones that

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.680
<v Speaker 1>loves stars and caters to them, it makes it tough

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 1>to have the right mindset in order to compete and

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>win at the highest levels of their sport. M I

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 1>love Jered Jones. I'm just saying that's the reality. Well,

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 1>the reason I brought it. I brought that up is

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:59.080
<v Speaker 1>because there are some players over the years. Das Bryant,

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.880
<v Speaker 1>he's a star, he's a hell of a player. He

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 1>was a guy that you have to he kept offensive

0:43:04.520 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>coordinators count. Oh yeah, absolutely. There's a guy like Miles

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Austin who he played well, but because he played for Dallas,

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 1>he was a superstar. But then when you look at

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:25.399
<v Speaker 1>his statistics. You hear the word superstar and you look

0:43:25.400 --> 0:43:28.800
<v Speaker 1>at the stats and my man is under ten thousand

0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:34.960
<v Speaker 1>yards total. That ain't a superstar, right, and it's not shaded.

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>But hey, but when we were playing down there, he's

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 1>dat kept Kardashian, Let's see what I'm saying. Yeah, and

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:50.320
<v Speaker 1>it's it's Tony Romo was just a consumption. He's a star.

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:53.920
<v Speaker 1>That's just what it is. But sometimes all of that

0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff can get in the way of a team focusing

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.040
<v Speaker 1>on the things that's gonna help them do high of

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:03.280
<v Speaker 1>a winning steve. I'm telling you, man, fifteen Pro Bowlers

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:05.520
<v Speaker 1>and two thousand and seven, if you didn't make the

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Pro Bowl, you was an alternate. That That's how it

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.600
<v Speaker 1>was with the Cowboys because we were that good. So

0:44:11.640 --> 0:44:15.080
<v Speaker 1>then how did you not take the cheese we did?

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Know I'm saying no, no, no, I'm talking about you.

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about you individually. I know I'm not saying

0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:23.279
<v Speaker 1>collect I'm talking about you you individually. Well, I was

0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:28.760
<v Speaker 1>still I was still Poe. I was, you know, thinking

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 1>body slam making two hundred dollars a year. You like,

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I ain't got tired. You brought it back up. I

0:44:37.280 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 1>was gonna ask you, what was your viewer that seawalk like?

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 1>Was it more snoopish or was it more like littleish?

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't know from my perspective, flat on my back,

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 1>how it was your few of it that kind of

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:56.200
<v Speaker 1>DJ quick as as Less Brown would saying, when you

0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:58.839
<v Speaker 1>get knocked down, if you could look up, get up

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.719
<v Speaker 1>boy Christmas Like I don't want to get up. I

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 1>thought I thought he broke some Categorize your NFL experience. Um,

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you talked about Dallas. Now you you're transitioning to a

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:23.919
<v Speaker 1>you're not also now just in a historical organization. Now

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>you're in with the Gotham city right now, you're in

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 1>New York, New Jersey. High expectations. Right you're on the

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:37.719
<v Speaker 1>team with a Manning, You got Michael straight hand. You know,

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 1>you got all of these guys on the team, and

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:44.960
<v Speaker 1>then you got the expectations, and y'all are kind of

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.680
<v Speaker 1>you're living in a little bit the expectation on football field,

0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 1>and you let them folks down, right, you give them

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 1>a little bit, just just just a little taste, and

0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, you you know, you don't live

0:45:56.719 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 1>up to the expectations. So what was your NFL experience

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:04.720
<v Speaker 1>after leaving Dallas becoming the free agent going to the

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:09.719
<v Speaker 1>to the Giants. Yeah, so for me, I'm I'm from

0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 1>New York. I was born in New New York. Um,

0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:13.799
<v Speaker 1>so it was an opportunity to come back to the

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:17.320
<v Speaker 1>crib Um and that they gave me a monster contract,

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>like and I remember being in Jerry Reese's office and

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 1>being a contract offer and I was like, well, this

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:28.480
<v Speaker 1>ain't what I wanted, Like I wanted a certain number

0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 1>in my average annual value and Jerry Reese was like, well,

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.400
<v Speaker 1>I can't pay you that because we got guys that

0:46:36.440 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 1>have made Pro Bowls and want Super Bowls that that

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>aren't getting paid that. And I told Jerry reach that

0:46:42.000 --> 0:46:44.399
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a youth problem. Like if you don't, if

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:46.919
<v Speaker 1>you can't give me my money, then I'm going somewhere else.

0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:49.200
<v Speaker 1>And I already had another team that was on deck,

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:50.919
<v Speaker 1>and I was ready to fly me from New York

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to their place and get the deal done. And so

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:57.880
<v Speaker 1>they ended up doing the deal. And it was this

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>huge relief because I and grinding for four years trying

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>to get to this paper. And and so that first

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:08.399
<v Speaker 1>year in New York was kind of like a paid

0:47:08.520 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 1>vacation for me, Like I wasn't the best version of myself.

0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I was eating good. It was Del Frisco's, it was

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:19.520
<v Speaker 1>s t K. I'm partying in Greenhouse, Mr Child kicking

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm kicking it, Mr Child's, I'm kicking it with the

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Knicks players, the Yankees dudes, like you know, because everybody

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 1>knows my name and I got that bag and I'm

0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 1>from the So it's just like I'm just living it

0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:34.719
<v Speaker 1>up like you know them six in front of them too.

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:39.520
<v Speaker 1>That's what it was. Any giving day of the week,

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 1>if you were trying to figure out what the night

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>spot was, guys would come to me because I knew

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:46.800
<v Speaker 1>it was cracked. Like I knew I had a schedule.

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Like it wasn't about working out. It was like, Okay,

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:52.319
<v Speaker 1>this club on this night? Is this club on this

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Like I was living it like that that first year.

0:47:56.360 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Jerry Rees absolutely did not get his money. When le

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 1>give us a guerience, give me a good close. No

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:13.520
<v Speaker 1>oh no, no, man, he got illustrations. I love it. Yeah, yeah, photos.

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:17.280
<v Speaker 1>I ain't got no illustrations. I gotta plug my power

0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:23.759
<v Speaker 1>for it. Yeah, it's getting white boy. I don't want.

0:48:24.120 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I thought he was getting an external hard drive. Let

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:31.800
<v Speaker 1>me tell you so, I can't let y'all get that evidence.

0:48:31.880 --> 0:48:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Let me let me tell you something. I need permission.

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I need permission slipped from a lot of guys before

0:48:37.120 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I get to them. Store and my guest room. Ain't

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 1>never had a six ft ay dude in the guest room.

0:48:47.160 --> 0:48:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what that band looks like compared

0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:56.240
<v Speaker 1>to you, my my house, we got the band, imidges,

0:48:56.840 --> 0:49:09.600
<v Speaker 1>it's compared to even We used to kick it. We

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:13.960
<v Speaker 1>used to kick it heavy. But after that first year, um,

0:49:14.040 --> 0:49:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that was time for me to just kind of relax

0:49:17.680 --> 0:49:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and enjoy having the financial security. But then I got

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 1>refocused on Okay, this is my career. Let me make

0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 1>sure I'm a professional. We're trying to accomplish something here.

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:31.760
<v Speaker 1>We got a core guys that could actually do some winning,

0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:33.919
<v Speaker 1>and I got back on my grind because I wanted

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Like every NFL player, they want to have that championship

0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 1>ring on their resume, and especially in a place like

0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:42.879
<v Speaker 1>New York. Like you win in New York, they will

0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:45.760
<v Speaker 1>never forget you. Like a part of why I'm working

0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 1>in sports media now is because I got that Super

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Bowl ring in two thousand and level, you know, So

0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.239
<v Speaker 1>it's just one of those things like I got back

0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:57.439
<v Speaker 1>on that type of grind Um. Two thousand and ten,

0:49:57.560 --> 0:50:00.000
<v Speaker 1>we won ten games, but we didn't get into the playoffs,

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and then obviously to eleven we sneak into the playoffs,

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 1>went into Division against the Cowboys in week seventeen, and

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.840
<v Speaker 1>then uh we went on a run from there in twelve.

0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:14.600
<v Speaker 1>When the Giants decided that they were gonna cut me

0:50:14.640 --> 0:50:18.000
<v Speaker 1>after that season, that was one of those things that

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 1>was hard to swallow because it was the place that

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:22.759
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be. It was the guys that I

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:26.720
<v Speaker 1>wanted to be working with UM, and for the first

0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:30.120
<v Speaker 1>time in my football career, I was told I wasn't

0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:34.520
<v Speaker 1>good enough. You know, I got fired UM. And that's

0:50:34.640 --> 0:50:38.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of one of those things that drove me to

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.440
<v Speaker 1>want to go to Baltimore because that was a franchise

0:50:42.280 --> 0:50:45.239
<v Speaker 1>that had a lot of cast offs, had a lot

0:50:45.280 --> 0:50:48.799
<v Speaker 1>of misfits, a lot of guys that had the same mentality,

0:50:49.000 --> 0:50:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and so I wanted to be a part of what

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>IDIA put together just because I had my own acta grind,

0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:57.040
<v Speaker 1>which was to try to prove the Jerry's and the

0:50:57.080 --> 0:50:59.720
<v Speaker 1>New York Giants that they made a mistake in getting

0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 1>rid of it. Um. And that's where I actually rediscovered

0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 1>my passion for football. Um, you know, taking it back

0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:10.080
<v Speaker 1>to when I first started playing in high school. Because

0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't about the money, it wasn't about a quest

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:17.080
<v Speaker 1>for a ring, it wasn't about some agenda. It was

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 1>about just enjoying the opportunity to dominate the man across

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:28.000
<v Speaker 1>from me every single play. And that was the collective

0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:33.719
<v Speaker 1>mentality of the Raiders. What do you mean specifically your

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:40.919
<v Speaker 1>passion you you reignited your passion for football. People would

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:45.320
<v Speaker 1>naturally assume that as athletes, you guys eat, sleep, breathed,

0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:50.120
<v Speaker 1>that's the only thing. And the business of corporate America,

0:51:50.200 --> 0:51:52.239
<v Speaker 1>like everyone doesn't wake up like you know what, I

0:51:52.280 --> 0:51:54.080
<v Speaker 1>can't wait to get to work, right, Like you have

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:56.720
<v Speaker 1>other things that you are that you have within your life.

0:51:56.960 --> 0:51:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I would I would disagree you you have to do

0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 1>in the season, you have to eat, breathe football because

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:07.040
<v Speaker 1>outside of outside of plane. So that's what he's saying.

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:08.799
<v Speaker 1>He So, is that what you're saying when you lost

0:52:08.840 --> 0:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>your passion? No, No, that's not what I'm saying. It's

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:16.759
<v Speaker 1>like the business side of football can sometimes get in

0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the way of your passion for the game. And so

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:22.160
<v Speaker 1>for me, like I was riding high after we won

0:52:22.280 --> 0:52:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl, but then I had to have a

0:52:23.960 --> 0:52:26.760
<v Speaker 1>knee surgery, I had to have an eye surgery. Only

0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:29.560
<v Speaker 1>played in eight games in twelve and then the Giants

0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:32.360
<v Speaker 1>cut me. So when they cut me, it's like, damn,

0:52:32.440 --> 0:52:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I got told for the first time I wasn't good enough,

0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:37.920
<v Speaker 1>and that that that hurt me in a way that

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:41.480
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't kind of affected me. It wasn't yeah, it

0:52:41.560 --> 0:52:43.680
<v Speaker 1>wasn't your fault. Like some of that you get it

0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:45.799
<v Speaker 1>if you don't wake up and say, man, let me

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:50.799
<v Speaker 1>get a knee injury to day, right, especially especially microfractic,

0:52:51.239 --> 0:52:53.640
<v Speaker 1>like I had to have microfractice. So it's just like

0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things like, man, like why is

0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.800
<v Speaker 1>all of this happening to me? Why are they doing

0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 1>this to me? Why is this going down? Like that?

0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.479
<v Speaker 1>It just it takes away from it because like there's

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:09.319
<v Speaker 1>an underbelly to the sport, and it's just like we

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 1>don't we're getting rid of you. We don't want you

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 1>here anymore. Like imagine this, you want a Super Bowl

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the year before. They called you in after the next

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:20.680
<v Speaker 1>year and they say, we appreciate everything you dove was,

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.520
<v Speaker 1>but we're cutting you today or we're firing you today.

0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:25.799
<v Speaker 1>We got X, Y, and Z. They're gonna clear out

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 1>the locker for you and this organization. Where do you

0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:35.760
<v Speaker 1>want your stuff? Ship? Like what we want your whole life,

0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>your whole life of your locker and they box it

0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 1>up and they ask you where would you like it

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:46.520
<v Speaker 1>to be? What did you do with that stuff? How

0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:50.000
<v Speaker 1>how did you handle that? It's still in a box

0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:52.960
<v Speaker 1>in my crib in South Carolina? Now, man, it's still

0:53:52.960 --> 0:53:55.880
<v Speaker 1>in the box. Bro. I still hadn't I still hadn't

0:53:55.920 --> 0:53:59.319
<v Speaker 1>even gone through it. And it's crazy, man, because these

0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:03.080
<v Speaker 1>are people that tried to frame it as this is family.

0:54:03.520 --> 0:54:06.200
<v Speaker 1>We were all in this together, like this is you know,

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And yet when they fired me, I talked to the

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 1>general manager, he fired me. I talked to Coach Coughlin,

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 1>and then when I got back out of Coach Carflin's office,

0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:21.799
<v Speaker 1>they had a security officer there escort me out of

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:26.759
<v Speaker 1>the building to my car like after we like that's

0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:30.400
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, Like we worked together to put this

0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 1>trophy in the trophy case. And then this is how

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:36.799
<v Speaker 1>you treat me. So again, when I say rediscovering my

0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:40.440
<v Speaker 1>passion for football, I don't necessarily mean it in the

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:43.000
<v Speaker 1>sense that I didn't love the game at some point.

0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't like the business of the game. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was able to put all that to the side

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 1>in Baltimore just because of the mentality that the general manager,

0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Ozzy K. Newsom had and the mentality that the guys

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:58.759
<v Speaker 1>in the locker room had, which which was, listen, all

0:54:58.840 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 1>of us and misfits. All of us are rejects, and

0:55:02.320 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>guess what, we're gonna shove it up. Everybody else is

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:07.439
<v Speaker 1>asking the NFL, and that's why we brought you here.

0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>What's funny? Mystery. They may still have all of my stuff.

0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:17.560
<v Speaker 1>When I was in Baltimore, I had to. When I

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 1>was in Carolina, I had two lockers, the locker of

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 1>my of my stuff and then my shoes because my

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.560
<v Speaker 1>custom shoes, because of my feet and all that stuff.

0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:31.400
<v Speaker 1>But when they cut me, I grabbed my photos, I

0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:34.200
<v Speaker 1>grabbed my mouthpiece, I grabbed some significant things, and I

0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:38.560
<v Speaker 1>grabbed my shoulder pats, all other panthers stuff that they had,

0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:42.959
<v Speaker 1>all my cleats, I left it. The ship is still

0:55:42.960 --> 0:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>in there. Donny was like, hey, you know, if you

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:49.520
<v Speaker 1>want that, I'm good. You can have three four boxes

0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:53.640
<v Speaker 1>of stuff still sitting in there, my name labeled on there,

0:55:53.640 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 1>and I go, no, I don't want it. One it's

0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:59.080
<v Speaker 1>not I don't want it because of I was upset.

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:03.839
<v Speaker 1>It was a transition of business. I'm not wearing that

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<v Speaker 1>like back out in the community. Like you ain't gonna

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>see me walking through the grocery stores. Some panther gear

0:56:10.080 --> 0:56:14.920
<v Speaker 1>cleiks like to use them. Let me get this avocado right,

0:56:16.280 --> 0:56:18.799
<v Speaker 1>And it's just because you're going on to the next team.

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:20.960
<v Speaker 1>So the only thing I had is my my stuff

0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that was essential to me that I needed. And then

0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 1>my shoulder pass, my shoulder pass for the same shoulder

0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:28.040
<v Speaker 1>pass I wore my whole career warm in Baltimore. They

0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:29.480
<v Speaker 1>try to give me the change because of the color.

0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, I want those shoulder paths. But

0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:36.200
<v Speaker 1>you just a business aspect of it. Man. It's so

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say grime me, but it's a business right,

0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:43.319
<v Speaker 1>And it's man, we love you until you cannot work

0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 1>for us anymore. Will be cordial. Don't make a big scene. Right,

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:51.359
<v Speaker 1>security is gonna walk you down for me, and they

0:56:51.400 --> 0:56:53.560
<v Speaker 1>cut me. Already knew that was cutting, all right. My

0:56:53.640 --> 0:56:57.239
<v Speaker 1>deal was don't make me drive my ass down there

0:56:58.200 --> 0:57:00.080
<v Speaker 1>at eight o'clock when you knew you was gonna know

0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:01.560
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna do it. You knew he was gonna come

0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.759
<v Speaker 1>me last night. Because now, man, I'm me. I told

0:57:04.840 --> 0:57:09.359
<v Speaker 1>him Smitty Steve steven asian A nine, I'm at the fool.

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:13.160
<v Speaker 1>So if you cut me Saturday morning, and you knew

0:57:13.200 --> 0:57:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Friday night or Thursday afternoon he was gonna cut me, yo,

0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 1>that's better cut me today. You know you're gonna cut

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:20.959
<v Speaker 1>me because if I drive trying made this extra trip,

0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:24.600
<v Speaker 1>if I try, if I tried, if I get my

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:27.680
<v Speaker 1>cup of coffee, want my car run and I gotta

0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.480
<v Speaker 1>turn back around, I got turn back around. Somebody gonna

0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:35.480
<v Speaker 1>catch these hands. You exactly right. And not only did

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:37.919
<v Speaker 1>they make me burn my gas when I got cut

0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.160
<v Speaker 1>by the but I had to pay that toll coming

0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:46.920
<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey. I feel like that to be I

0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:53.360
<v Speaker 1>need and you emotionally unstable. Still you drive past that

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:56.960
<v Speaker 1>hole like that five dollars they knew they could have saved. Man,

0:57:56.960 --> 0:58:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I need to expense this man, that man, you gave us.

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:08.920
<v Speaker 1>You gave us all that we asked for and more. Brother,

0:58:09.520 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 1>it's been a privileged only to talk to you, man, teammate,

0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:18.000
<v Speaker 1>a brother, dude. I admire man. Uh a halfway Charlotte, Tim,

0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:24.920
<v Speaker 1>but that my man is I love Charlotte. He loves Charlotte.

0:58:25.320 --> 0:58:27.400
<v Speaker 1>But I'm from l a from Brooklyn man. At the

0:58:27.440 --> 0:58:33.480
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, right and uh absolutely, Steve, It's

0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:35.880
<v Speaker 1>an honor, the privilege to be on your podcast and

0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the feeling the mutual in terms of your impact on

0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:41.920
<v Speaker 1>my life. And I just want to continue to to

0:58:41.920 --> 0:58:46.320
<v Speaker 1>to send good vibes and blessings over you and your family.

0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:50.160
<v Speaker 1>And again I can't I can't say enough about the

0:58:50.160 --> 0:58:52.680
<v Speaker 1>work that you're doing the community. Man. Keep doing that, man,

0:58:52.720 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 1>and not a lot of people talk about it, but

0:58:55.200 --> 0:58:56.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a need for that man, the work that you

0:58:56.960 --> 0:59:01.520
<v Speaker 1>do with domestic violence and highlighting that man. Continue with that. Brother.

0:59:01.680 --> 0:59:05.919
<v Speaker 1>We love you for that. Appreciate your brother. You are

0:59:06.800 --> 0:59:11.240
<v Speaker 1>a unique person. You are well worth it, you are

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<v Speaker 1>competent and most of all, your lovable. I'm Steve Smith Singer,

0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm Gerard little John and this is cut to it.

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