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Speaker 1: Super agent Scott boris joining us right now back on FT. Scott,

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Speaker 1: Great to see you. We always appreciate the time, and

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Speaker 1: we'll just start here. I know you hustle a ton

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Speaker 1: all year round, but the off season is really where

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Speaker 1: you can do some serious damage and some work and

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Speaker 1: you know, change things for your clients. So how are

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Speaker 1: you and how busy has your off season been?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like you you begin at the end of

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Speaker 3: October and all of a sudden it's spring training and

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Speaker 3: it's a one giant blur.

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Speaker 2: So what it's that way?

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Speaker 3: You know you've you've been doing for your clients, which

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Speaker 3: should be doing, so it's all good news.

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Speaker 4: So wait, hold up, now, do you just quit working

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Speaker 4: once spring training? Once you get all your guys signed?

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Speaker 4: So let's I'm not going to say spring training because

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Speaker 4: you do so opening day? Do you just quit working?

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Speaker 4: Go to the beach down there in California? I know

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Speaker 4: you go to Dodgers and Angels games, but is it

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Speaker 4: like that your time off, Like we just go back

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Speaker 4: and you're like, ah, my work here is done until October.

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Speaker 3: Then the then the psychology begins where where you become

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Speaker 3: basically what what players are fighting the game, as you

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Speaker 3: guys know, and you're working with them a lot about

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Speaker 3: their their performances, their psychology, how they're reacting to things,

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Speaker 3: what they do. Frankly, it's the most enjoyable part because

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Speaker 3: you're you're trying to beat the game every day and

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Speaker 3: you're talking to them about what they do best and

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Speaker 3: and and not lose track of their strengths and get

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Speaker 3: into the deep hole of their weaknesses. And you know,

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Speaker 3: for for all of us, we all know what slumps are.

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Speaker 3: We all know what the game does to us mentally

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Speaker 3: and emotionally, and we we do a lot with that.

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Speaker 3: And obviously we have the draft, we have the evaluation

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Speaker 3: of talent in the minor leagues at the major leagues,

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Speaker 3: and so internationally, you know, you go to Japan, Korea

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Speaker 3: every year, all those things. So it's the season is

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Speaker 3: really the most enjoyable time for me because you're interacting

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Speaker 3: with players in the game and really on the deep

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Speaker 3: side of that.

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Speaker 4: Scott, you mentioned that you're trying to get through the

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Speaker 4: ups and downs of a season with your players. Do

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Speaker 4: you guys have an on team boris team psychologist that

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Speaker 4: you guys help players reach out to do you want

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Speaker 4: them to talk to the team psychologists that a lot

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Speaker 4: of teams employ now or is it just they're on

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Speaker 4: their own and will help you out where we can.

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Speaker 2: No, we have two.

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Speaker 3: I was trained by Harvey Dorfman, and we really learn

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Speaker 3: what the mental side of the game means to players.

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Speaker 3: I had literally twenty five years of training and instruction.

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Speaker 2: Because you have to know what not to say.

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Speaker 3: You also have to know how to really mentor players

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Speaker 3: through the early parts of their career and also at

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Speaker 3: the very end of their career, how to measure success

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Speaker 3: start them all of these things. Expectations expectations as a

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Speaker 3: monster in our game, because no matter what you're doing,

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Speaker 3: when you're doing it, the expectation of what you're doing

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Speaker 3: has a lot to do with how you feel about

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Speaker 3: yourself and how you manage that and how you deal

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Speaker 3: with the game. So we have two psychologists on our staff.

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Speaker 3: One is a former Major league pitcher, Don Carmen and

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Speaker 3: who's been with our company for over twenty five years.

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Speaker 3: And having former players involved that do it, that know

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Speaker 3: that they really know the players are comfortable with the

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Speaker 3: idea of knowing that someone that's doing what they're doing

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Speaker 3: is able to talk to them with intimacy about the game,

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Speaker 3: and there's also an appreciation where they understand that we

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Speaker 3: have resources that know what it's like to deal with

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Speaker 3: what they're dealing with.

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Speaker 5: Scott, every time you've been on here, you talk about

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Speaker 5: how you care about the game and you care about

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Speaker 5: the players. This is kind of a random comment, but

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Speaker 5: I talk to the person just last week. It was

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Speaker 5: an ext GM that said you should become the commissioner

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Speaker 5: if baseball wanted to truly grow because of the fact

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Speaker 5: the next commissioner, because of the fact that you want

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Speaker 5: the game to grow, and the only way for the

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Speaker 5: game to grow is it to be player centric. Would

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Speaker 5: you want to do that?

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Speaker 3: I think I best serve the game because this is

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Speaker 3: a talent business, and talent is the reason we're all here.

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Speaker 3: We're the focus of this, the attraction of the game,

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Speaker 3: how the game's played, the valuations of the game, the

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Speaker 3: media rights of the game are all centered around how

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Speaker 3: the talent of the game executes at optimal levels, because

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Speaker 3: that's what makes the game so interesting and unique. And

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Speaker 3: so when you're working with the talent both at the beginning,

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Speaker 3: the and the and the ends of their careers, you're

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Speaker 3: doing all that, you're really at the true eye of

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Speaker 3: the of the tornado. You are there because that's how

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Speaker 3: you best benefit the game.

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Speaker 2: I think in.

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Speaker 3: When owners are closer to talent than the commissioner's offices,

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Speaker 3: I think that's one of the problems in our game today.

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Speaker 3: The owners used to run this game and they were

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Speaker 3: close to talent, and they addressed talent issues more in

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Speaker 3: a first hand direct way rather than in what is

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Speaker 3: considered a valuation way. How to really address the what

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Speaker 3: the landscape of what players are paid. Because remember, in

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Speaker 3: the revenue structure of our game, which is most important

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Speaker 3: that talent brings. The revenue structure of our game is

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Speaker 3: not transparent. And you know, owners have a right to

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Speaker 3: keep it that way.

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Speaker 2: They do.

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Speaker 3: They own these teams, they run their businesses, they do it.

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Speaker 3: But as long as they choose that route, there's always

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Speaker 3: going to be a labor management dynamic to where there's

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Speaker 3: going to be a credibility element about what we do.

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Speaker 3: The only club we have that's transparent is the Atlanta Braves,

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Speaker 3: and we know that they're making dramatic profits, making hundreds

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Speaker 3: of millions three four hundred million a year in profits.

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Speaker 2: And we also know.

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Speaker 3: What they're capable of doing to grow their talent base

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Speaker 3: to an optimum level. And the answer to that is

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Speaker 3: that they certainly have the wherewithal to do it if

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Speaker 3: they so choose. So that's the one club that we

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Speaker 3: know is transparent. And I believe that our labor issues

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Speaker 3: are nowhere near our biggest issue. Our biggest issue is

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Speaker 3: how we optimize the meteor rites of our game, and

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Speaker 3: by figuring that out, we're going to change the landscape

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Speaker 3: of how we deal with labor because the ills of

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Speaker 3: the game. If we're making sixteen to twenty billion owner

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Speaker 3: metea rightes versus four, we're going to be treating labor

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Speaker 3: keep the talent on the field very very differently.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, No, I like that all right. The

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Speaker 5: question for me is it's coming from the chat, is

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Speaker 5: do players want to be in on these conversations you

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Speaker 5: talk about like it's an owner to the player conversation,

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Speaker 5: but you're dealing with GM's assists in gms and then

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Speaker 5: sometimes you go over them to the owners. Should the

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Speaker 5: owners want to know all the conversations that you're having,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry, should the players want to know

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Speaker 5: all the conversations that you're having. Are there things that

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Speaker 5: you know what That's why you're there, That's why you're

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Speaker 5: there to facilitate that relationship.

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Speaker 3: I think when you represent someone as an attorney, your

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Speaker 3: job is to make sure things are explained because you

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Speaker 3: want the decision maker to have the full force and

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Speaker 3: You want informed decisions, So in representing players, you have

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Speaker 3: to let them understand the totality of the dynamic that

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Speaker 3: takes a great deal of time and commitment on their

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Speaker 3: you never know what a player is going to find

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Speaker 3: most important and what I do. Sometimes family geography are

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Speaker 3: more important than their winning desires. Sometimes winning is vastly

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Speaker 3: winning environment. Sometimes economics are overriding in those things. So

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Speaker 3: in all these discussions, the idea of it is is

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Speaker 3: full disclosure of everything you know, very detailed note taking

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Speaker 4: Before we get into the schooble thing, which we're going

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Speaker 2: How many players I didn't we're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 4: You know, you know that we're talking about it. Trust

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Speaker 4: you know that's coming, especially for me. But how many

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Speaker 4: of your players want to know every little thing that's happening,

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Speaker 4: meaning not like in the business of baseball, but I'm

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Speaker 4: talking when they're a free agent. When you have a

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Speaker 4: tell me if you hear something about me in the newspaper.

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Speaker 4: One guys that want to know everything and guys that

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Speaker 3: Well, when you're attorney, you have a requirement to be

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Speaker 3: a fiduciary. You have a requirement to disclose anything that

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Speaker 3: about interpretation. Send it over. We will then transfer it

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Speaker 3: We do everything in writing, and that way there is

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Speaker 3: no question about what the club is giving or or contending.

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Speaker 3: As far as the media and what's being said about

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Speaker 3: it is the relevancy of what goes on to the

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Speaker 3: media for me is unless it's something that's injurious and

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Speaker 3: sent something that's relevant to it. I often most of

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Speaker 3: it is actually so factually incorrect, particularly.

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Speaker 2: When you're going through a negotiation, that you.

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Speaker 3: Really make the player a where did you see this?

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Speaker 3: Did you see this? You see this? We don't believe

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Speaker 3: any of this is true or accurate. It's not, but

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Speaker 4: That makes sense. So in saying all that, let's get

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Speaker 4: And then to Terik go, Wow, I'm just going to

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Speaker 3: We knew what the club's theory was on a CBA

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Speaker 2: And I also knew that under the.

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Speaker 3: They agreed in eighty five and bargaining that that was

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Speaker 6: Yeah, agreed.

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Speaker 4: Listen to somebody that used a class ahead in my

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Speaker 6: So yes, but that goes my next two questions.

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Speaker 4: One, if the Tigers come in and say, hey, we're

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Speaker 6: This was the.

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Speaker 3: Well, I haven't had five MLS players. I had Garrett Cole.

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Speaker 3: We had to go to hearing on that and we

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Speaker 3: And so we told Erk that you have this decision

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Speaker 3: But the different being is that we're here. It's a

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Speaker 3: And so the process is one where people say, do

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Speaker 3: We spend millions of dollars preparing for these cases. But

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Speaker 5: Are there other misnomers that we the public or we

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Speaker 3: That's a great question, but you know that arbitration in

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Speaker 3: Because the right at four mls only allows you to

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Speaker 3: We have performances that say you spend five or six

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Speaker 3: And that is what has been decided as being prudent

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Speaker 4: Scott, can you tell us what the Tigers argument was

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Speaker 4: But what else could they possibly have said? Hey, Terrek,

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Speaker 4: So what can you tell us a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the part was that.

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Speaker 3: They go and they say, you know, de Gram's first

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Speaker 3: And so they said that de Gram had done all

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Speaker 3: school had at five mls, which we replied on, look,

442
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: this is a right structure. This is not about raises,

443
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: it's not about times eligible. They're not in the CBA.

444
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: It's not there.

445
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: So when you use these arguments, when you use these arguments,

446
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: you can find comparability of de Gram and doing that.

447
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: But how I interfaced this, I said, you're forgetting something.

448
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 3: The seventeen million that de Grom was paid, it was

449
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: not his salary. Why because he never threw another pitch

450
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: And seventy days later de Gram had a new contract

451
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: for one hundred and thirty seven point five million with

452
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: an average annual value of twenty seven point five million.

453
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 3: I go, this settlement was a placeholder for a deal

454
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 3: that they were working on that wasn't his true salary

455
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: that he performed under. So when you look at seventeen million,

456
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 3: keep that in reference that it really was a placeholder

457
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: for a few your negotiation and often teams do that.

458
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: Let's just settle, we're not going to apply this. Don't

459
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: worry about it. We're going to get to the multi

460
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: year contract. So the multi year contract actually has more

461
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 3: relevance because that's the contract he performed under and played under.

462
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: And the other part of it is you use simple logic.

463
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 3: These contracts are seven, eight, ten, twelve years old. You

464
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 3: know they brought insureser areata all of these things. And

465
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: I just said, you know, I'm a business owner. You

466
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: have a great employee, he has his two best years,

467
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 3: and you go into this and you say, how am

468
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: I going to reward him? And the employer says, you

469
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 3: know what, You're the best employee I have.

470
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: You had two great years. You're so good.

471
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to compare you to the only person I

472
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: can compare you to, and that's the best employee I've

473
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: had ten years ago. So I'm going to give you

474
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: his salary that he got ten years ago. And I said, well,

475
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 3: the employer, he would say, what, there are current players

476
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: that are making current values. Why would you ever choose

477
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: the salary of somebody eight to ten years ago? And

478
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 3: the employer says, because you're so good, it's the only

479
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: one I can compare to. And I said, the employee

480
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: would leave, he would lead because he treated that way.

481
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: And I said, but the difference here is is that

482
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: trek school wile can't lead, can't lead. And so that's

483
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: why he's reliant on this process in this panel to

484
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 3: justify that his performance is placed in what the bargaining

485
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 3: parties agreed to, which is the current market. And you're

486
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 3: exchanged with exhibits. You're given those things annually. You know

487
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 3: what the salaries are, they're there before you. And listed

488
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 3: in those exhibits is none other than Blake Snell. And

489
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: of course we hear, oh this agree, this thing is

490
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: about Sodo Snell. Burns areata sure as it's all about

491
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: the Boris client and I go, well, we're we're blessed

492
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: to represent great players. But the truth of the matter

493
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: is that the five mls top of the market for

494
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: a platform cy Young is what the truth of the

495
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 3: value of Trek Schouoble is. And that was based upon

496
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: what we did with Max Schures or with the very

497
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: Detroit Tigers, the very same ownership.

498
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely all right.

499
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 4: So, by the way, I love your chair that disappears

500
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 4: every time you move the chair behind you over your

501
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: It must be your left right shoulder. Every time you

502
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: move it like comes in and out because your background.

503
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 4: But it's just it's freaking me out a little bit.

504
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 2: Shots.

505
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's like every see see there it is, no, now,

506
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: what's gone?

507
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: There it is?

508
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: I apologize, I don't I don't mean to move.

509
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 6: No, it's no, no, it's fine, It's just it just

510
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 6: keeps yourself. Yeah.

511
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 4: Uh so in this in this hearing, the rumor is

512
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: there was like forty lawyers. I don't know how many

513
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: you had, how many of the unions or the owner

514
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 4: side had. But then you brought in a special guest

515
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: in Bruce Meyer. So you did you not think, Scott

516
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: that you could argue this case without bringing in Bruce Meyer.

517
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 4: I don't understand, because see, Bruce Meyers is the second

518
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: in command. People that I gotta sorry, I gotta explain

519
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 4: a couple things. Bruce Meyer is the second in command

520
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 4: at the Union. And MLS, by the way, is not

521
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 4: Major League Soccer. It's Major League Service Time. So people

522
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 4: out there listening are like, why is he talking soccer

523
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 4: all the time. So, but I figured Scott.

524
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 6: With you, you just want to argue. But then you brought

525
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 6: in Bruce Meyer for help.

526
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 4: I was like, wait a second, this doesn't sound like

527
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: the Scott Bors that we've heard about.

528
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: Well, no, you have thirty minutes in rebuttal and I

529
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: took twenty five of it. But I felt I needed

530
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 3: the bargaining party of the union to explain and certify

531
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: that our interpretation of the CBA was consistent with what

532
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 3: the union's position was, and I think it was important

533
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: for the panel to do that, and Bruce did an

534
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: excellent job of coming in for five minutes and say, look,

535
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: this interpretation they're speaking of is exactly right, this is

536
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 3: exactly how this works.

537
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 2: This is the history you've been given.

538
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: In the history, we agree with this, and the reality

539
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: of it is that that being the bargaining, the deputy

540
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: director of the Major League Baseball Players associating their interpretation

541
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 3: of the CBA is exactly in accordance with ours and

542
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: exactly when we bargain. This is what we do and

543
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 3: how we do it. And we wanted the panel to

544
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 3: know these arbitrators are you know, in the legal community,

545
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: these men and women are elite. They are brilliant minds,

546
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: they're well written, their studied, they are members of the

547
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: National Arbitration Association. It's a high order group. And you

548
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 3: want to make sure that an advocate than an advocate

549
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 3: as myself for the players, when I'm giving them a

550
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: foundation an interpretation of the CBA, you want to know

551
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: that the contract enforcers and that is they deal with

552
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: union and management, uh, the representatives of the union, that

553
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: the advocate is actually addressing the CBA in the same

554
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: manner as the governing body, which under the National Labor

555
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: Relations Act is the sanctioned representatives of the players. The

556
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: advocates like myself are given the privilege from the NLRB

557
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: and through the MLBPA to negotiate and represent players individually,

558
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: but the true representatives under the labor National Labor Relations

559
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: Act is the MLBPA, and they are the ones that

560
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: would have to certify our interpretation, and I wanted to

561
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: make sure in the hearing that we allotted a few

562
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: minutes for that to be done.

563
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 5: Scott, you're a lawyer, and I don't think lawyers deal

564
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 5: with hypotheticals, but in my life I love hypotheticals. Was

565
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 5: there a hypothetical number that you would have agreed to

566
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 5: had the Tigers not been trial and file? And if

567
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 5: you can't give us that number, was it less than

568
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 5: the thirty two that Scoble got.

569
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: You know, whenever you're an advocate for a player and

570
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: you talk about what you can do in a case

571
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: and what's your probability of doing it, that has to

572
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: go into the settlement process. And whenever you're looking at settlement,

573
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: you're looking at it in a different theater than you

574
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: would in a true trial. Now when you walk into

575
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: those rooms, it's three arbitrators and yeah, there's like fifty

576
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: sixty people in.

577
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: That room, it's the lions. Then it is.

578
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: You go in, it's intense, it's there, it's a moment,

579
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 3: and you know in that room a lot of things

580
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: going to happen, a lot of things can, and you

581
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: try to tactically is strategically apply. It's a completely different

582
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: environment than a settlement environment, and you have to understand

583
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 3: that and entertain that, and that know that everything that

584
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: you may demand in as an advocate in a trial

585
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: setting is that there is a valuation in there. That

586
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: must consider that the mere fact that the arbitration panel

587
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: can decide on an argument that is not what you

588
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 3: consider the best argument, but their argument. So all those

589
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: factors have to be considered. And of course in settlement discussions,

590
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: you're looking at how two parties interpret it in conversation

591
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 3: an oral advocacy with one another, and I try to

592
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 3: listen for the good points. I try to listen to

593
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: tell me how I go to my player and be

594
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 3: truthful as to his value.

595
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 2: That's the goal.

596
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: How do I tell them truthfully what the value is.

597
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 3: And I've had teams sometimes raise things to me that

598
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: we didn't think of too often, but sometimes, and you

599
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: know what, they're good points. You tell it to the player.

600
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: And I've never had a major league player not tell me,

601
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: you know what, that's a good point. They're right, I

602
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: should probably lower my sights a little bit and get

603
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: this thing done.

604
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: But I think the truth of what.

605
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: You do in settlement is that over ten years, over

606
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty cases, and we're settling all of them.

607
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: But six. Yeah, you listen, Yeah.

608
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,760
Speaker 3: You you really walk through this and comprehend their position

609
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: and try to reach a fair number. It's probably not

610
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 3: the all number, but it's the fair number, the truth number.

611
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: Scott, did other agents call you and say thank you

612
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: for winning this case? And other players? Because all this,

613
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 4: I mean, all this does is bring up other guys'

614
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: ability to make more money?

615
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 6: Right?

616
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: So did you get thank your notes from other agents

617
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 4: and players that aren't your players?

618
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: You know, I've been doing this for over forty five

619
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: years and I have never had an arbitration response from

620
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 3: you know, I had thirty players call me in one day,

621
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: and I through journalists.

622
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: And people like that.

623
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: I've received commentary from other representatives and other players.

624
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: That didn't call me directly.

625
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 3: But what I'm really pleased about is that the interpretation

626
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 3: of the CBA was clearly understood. A panel of people

627
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: who look at cbas and contracts really know how this

628
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: should have really been followed.

629
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: And I think we brought clarity to the game.

630
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: And as to the impact it's going to have, you know,

631
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: that depends on a lot of factors as to going forward,

632
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: having the standards and ability and skills to articulate when

633
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 3: on what went on here, and but we will see.

634
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: But I certainly think it put a platform out for clarity,

635
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: clarity of what we have, a better understanding of how

636
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: the CBA is to be applied.

637
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 4: You know, Paul Skanes is gonna send you He should

638
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: send you that one of one card from a couple

639
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: of years ago at tops, you know where everyone was

640
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 4: looking for it and it ended up being sold for

641
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: like two million dollars. You should just sent that to

642
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 4: you because when a couple of years, when it's his turns, God,

643
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: he's gonna be like that. One argument was God more,

644
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 4: it's a Turk scooble. But anyways, we're not talking about

645
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 4: other players. We're only talking about your players. What do

646
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 4: you think about a cap? Okay, I know we've kind

647
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: of had a little bit of this conversation, but a

648
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 4: cap hasn't solved things?

649
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 6: And then why doesn't the union? And we've and when I've.

650
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: Asked this question, and Scott and Eric have asked this question,

651
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 4: the union never comes out and really says much. And

652
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 4: I always am like, you guys need to say more.

653
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 4: You need to say more. And it seems like the

654
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 4: owners win the pr battle because they're out. They're rob

655
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: Manfred stumping for a cap, right, he has his cap,

656
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 4: his cat, people out there doing their thing. So how

657
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: do we as as obviously I'm on the player side

658
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 4: because I'm a former player, but how do we as

659
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: players get that out there?

660
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 6: And how do we tell people?

661
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: Like because people come up to me and I'm not

662
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 4: deep in as deep in this as you are, and

663
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 4: they're like, well, baseball needs a salary cap. And then

664
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 4: I try to explain the other side, and when you

665
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 4: explain it a little bit to him, they're like, oh,

666
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: you know what, you might have a good point there,

667
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 4: So why.

668
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 6: Is it cap cap?

669
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: Cap?

670
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 6: Cap cap?

671
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 4: And then why doesn't the union come out and say, hey,

672
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: this is the reason why we're against a cap.

673
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: You know, the Major League Baseball Players Association is really

674
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: in a good place. Why we have record revenues, we

675
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: have record attendance. We have Bruce Myers and Matt Nusbaum

676
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: and Jeff Berkhani and Ian Panny. We we have people

677
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: who've been through bargaining we want to sell multiple times,

678
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: and they're they're really they really understand, they really understand

679
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 3: what's salary caps are and what I try to do

680
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: from an external part, and certainly this is the union

681
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: in the MLB that are the tridents of what the

682
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: resolve of this is going to be. But the truth

683
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 3: of the matter is that we have so much evidence

684
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 3: about the misapplication of lead conduct, particularly with parody, because

685
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: that's always the argument is parody. And I'll save this

686
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: for another show when we're doing this in the off season.

687
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 3: But I have got so much information and research. I

688
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: prepared an whole arbitration case on salary cap and so

689
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: the reality of it is paroity is far worse, far

690
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: far worse. The lack of parody is far worse in

691
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: a salary cap environment than it is in a free environment.

692
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: Why because owners can individually make adjustments to allow their

693
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: team to be better. They can do all those things.

694
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: The other part of it is is that every league

695
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 3: is full of big markets and small markets.

696
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: They all are.

697
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: But the key to all this is not anything to

698
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: do with what other is that the ills of our

699
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: game are resolved by revenues. Our METEA rights were exposed,

700
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 3: our inability to acquire the true valuation of our media

701
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 3: rights was exposed by the NBA contract. They got eight

702
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 3: billion because they offered the league. We offer regional and

703
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 3: so consequently we're getting half at four billion, and yet

704
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: our content is double, and yet our ratings are there.

705
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 3: And we also offer two hundred million people more from Asia, Korea, Taiwan,

706
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 3: Japan and Canada. That those are markets that the NFL

707
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: and the NBA do not own.

708
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: They don't own Canada, they don't own Asia. We don't

709
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 2: own that like we do.

710
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: And so we offer that to all the media conglomerates

711
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: where they can take their product and optimize it by

712
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 3: this grand market that no other sport has. What's the

713
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: value of that. The value of that was not ascertained.

714
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 3: That's the problem with our sport because if we have

715
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 3: twenty billion to deal with versus four. All the ills

716
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 3: of what a lot of owners struggle with today will

717
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: be resolved and it will not be a label a

718
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: labor issue. And so in twenty twenty eight, we're going

719
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 3: to have something that's going to give us definition, clear

720
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: definition as to what the revenues of this game are

721
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 3: and therefore will have the ability then to adjust and

722
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: know more about what our labor situation would be and

723
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: how that the inner workings of it should apply for

724
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: equities for all clubs. And so the real issue for

725
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: me is is that how do we define the revenues

726
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: of the game, and how do we optimize it, and

727
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 3: how do we set up a system that is far

728
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: different from what we use before to negotiate, truly negotiate

729
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: the value of our rights, which will then propel this

730
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: game to levels that it's never seen before.

731
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: Did you see, because you're always doing future evaluations, future

732
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 5: values of things, did you see the market working out

733
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 5: the way that it did so well? But a year

734
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 5: later for Pete Alonzo, for Matt Chapman, for Alex Bregman,

735
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 5: for Blake Snell, did you feel like that's what was

736
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 5: going to happen? And you said before that it's almost

737
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 5: like a concerted effort somewhat against Scott, against the Boris Corp.

738
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 5: That did you feel like that one year gap was

739
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 5: going to be needed to get the value that you

740
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 5: assume and actually a higher value just a year later.

741
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: You know, Eric, it's a you raise. Another great point

742
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: is that.

743
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: It is so hard to tell players that you're so good.

744
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: You're so good that your free agent right is limited

745
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: by the qualifying offer you carry with you now draft compensation,

746
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 3: where you now have a tent throwing over your freedom.

747
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: And you're so good that the system has done this

748
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: to our best players. So it's our system, it's what

749
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: we bargain for. So I've got to create a path

750
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: around it. You know, I'm sitting there with Carlos Correa

751
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 3: and I said, look, I need to create I created

752
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: the opt out with Alex Rodriguez in his contract and

753
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: use that right contractually. I said, this is perfect for

754
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: this right. But I guess what I'm going to have

755
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 3: your free agency when you're really good, it is seven years.

756
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 3: It's not six it's seven years. You're going to have

757
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 3: to go in to get your value because they're going

758
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 3: to come in and offer you roughly forty cents fifty

759
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: cents on the dollar for your free agent value and

760
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 3: hope you take it. So I'm going to have to

761
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: do a system an approach to this that's going to

762
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 3: allow you to bridge this to get a freedom in value.

763
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: But here's the data, here's your.

764
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: Age, here's your performance levels, here's what we think. And

765
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: in some instances you may sign. But in most instances,

766
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: with these gifted players, I'm going to say to them

767
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: that you have to go back and talk about who

768
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: you are.

769
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: What you're doing.

770
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: And with Bragman and Alonzo and Snell and Chapman and Korea,

771
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: we all did the bridge contracts with the opt outs,

772
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: and teams benefited from that because they got great skill,

773
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 3: a free agent that's worth two three hundred million dollars.

774
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: They get him for a one year value. It's great

775
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: for them, but you have to go back to what

776
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 3: we bargained. We bargain for that. I always hate to

777
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 3: see the greatest players get injured by something we bargain for,

778
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 3: but the fact that it metas we bargain for it,

779
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 3: so we have to accept it. We have to work

780
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:24,759
Speaker 3: through it. And I'm so happy that you know you

781
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: want motivation to watch something every night. When you have

782
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 3: a player at a bridge contract is a great player

783
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:35,280
Speaker 3: and you're watching them you every night, every night, Oh

784
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: that game is a different game for you because you're

785
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: you're making decisions that have a dramatic effect on his

786
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 3: family where it could make literally one hundred anywhere from

787
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: fifty to one hundred and fifty million dollars difference in

788
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: how their family is going to be for the rest

789
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: of their lives. And that's what makes this game fun

790
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: for me. You got a not in your stomach all

791
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 3: the time, and you wake up with it and you

792
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: hope by the end of the day, at the end

793
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: of the day that it's it's something that's you've quelled.

794
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: But it's no different than in a bat you know,

795
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: you go in and you know, you know, I remember

796
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 3: facing Bob Welch and I'm sitting there in double A

797
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: and I'm going and I got a big knot in

798
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: my stomach. But you know, you sit there at second

799
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: base and you get a basis loaded double and you

800
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: go there and you go like, oh, life's great. So

801
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: same thing when these guys come through and they're they

802
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 3: get it done. There's such champions there, they're there, and

803
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: what all those goods did. I have great respect for

804
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 3: him because you know what, they bet on themselves. They

805
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: believed in themselves. They had a choice not to. They

806
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 3: could have taken far less and secured it, but they

807
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 3: chose to prove it they were and they've all been

808
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 3: rewarded for it.

809
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 4: That's that's awesome. Now, what do you think about where

810
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 4: we're at and pictures and catchers reporting, and some guys

811
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 4: are starting to sign like fast, right, and you have

812
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: some guys left out there.

813
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 6: Do you believe that there's a pressure on people? And

814
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 6: how do you keep your clients that are still free

815
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 6: agents from panicking like you said, and trying to get

816
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 6: what their value is instead of the panic move. I mean,

817
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 6: I have to get in on a team here before

818
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 6: it gets too late.

819
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 3: You know what I find aj The greater the player,

820
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 3: the greater the trust. And I've always used this metaphor,

821
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: when you're the stake, you don't really care what dinner

822
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: time is. You know, you kind of sit there, you

823
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 3: walk through it. You know who you are, you know

824
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 3: what you're doing, You trust yourself, and you wait for

825
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 3: that optimum moment that requires something that you as a player,

826
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: feel is equitable for you to make a move.

827
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: And markets are so different.

828
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're early, like with Cese, I had an early

829
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: market this year and I have a great performer. The

830
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: I mean, Ceas and Gallon are the two most durable

831
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 3: pitchers in the game. They really are. Ce signs early.

832
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: Gallen is still going to get something done here soon.

833
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: But the durability, I mean, when you're in the postseason

834
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: and you have pitchers that can throw one hundred and

835
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: forty hundred and fifty innings, they're not available for the postseason.

836
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 3: When you have players like Gallon and Cease, when they

837
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 3: can throw the one to eighty every year, those are

838
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: the guys that are going to be available for you

839
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 3: in the postseason and they have postseasons, experience, excellence, and

840
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: then when you're trying to win, you want that type

841
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: of player.

842
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 5: No question, how soon? How soon is Gallen ready? And

843
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 5: how is this off season gone? In the sense of

844
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 5: calls for you, has it been more silent because of

845
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,760
Speaker 5: how the cease the cease negotiations went. It was so early,

846
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 5: and now you're saying, possibly Gallan will sign soon. Why

847
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 5: why was it quiet for him? Based on you know

848
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 5: this offseason for him.

849
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: Well, I think that when your platform season, he finished

850
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 3: with like a top ten year last two months of

851
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 3: the season. He had an issue early on in the

852
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: season with his fashball command, which he corrected. And so

853
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: when you go to look at those kinds of things,

854
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 3: the clubs are going to they're going to want to

855
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 3: know what adjustments for made, what is it, how do

856
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: you do it? And the idea of it is is

857
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 3: that he has.

858
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: Guess what the qualifying offer.

859
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 3: He has the qualifying offer, and when you have the

860
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 3: qualifying offer, you can better believe. I have the media say,

861
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 3: oh my god, Boris can't get his players signed, he

862
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 3: can't do this, he can't do that. But whenever you

863
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: have a player with a qualifying offer, guess what it's

864
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 3: going to be something where the teams are going to

865
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 3: go for players where they don't have to give up

866
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: draft status, they don't have to give up draft picks.

867
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 3: They're going to go there first, obviously, because that way

868
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 3: they get to sign free agents without giving up draft picks.

869
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 2: But sometimes it comes down to.

870
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 3: Where a lot of clubs have to decide, am I

871
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: going to give up a draft pick or am I

872
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 3: going to compete for the playoffs, and that's really where's

873
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 3: that Gallon's at. A lot of these clubs, a lot

874
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 3: of them are wholly different in who they are in

875
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 3: their playoff abilities versus giving up a you know, a

876
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: second or third round draft pick, and they have to

877
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: make that decision. They hesitate. It's always usually late, but

878
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: no different than Snell or Alonzo or a Bragman whatever.

879
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 3: A great performer like Zach Allen has a qualifying offer

880
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: on him and he's in the same position all of

881
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: them they're in.

882
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: That's the truth.

883
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: By the way, I'd love to hear you and Max

884
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 4: Scherzer talk. You guys must talk for like three days

885
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 4: when you guys with each other. I mean, because you

886
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 4: just would go and go and it would be all entertaining.

887
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 4: So I would I would love to just be a

888
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 4: fly on the wall and listen to those conversations because

889
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 4: I guarantee between you and Max and it's it's NonStop.

890
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 4: So I don't know what to say about that. But

891
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 4: Louise Robert, you had Louise Robert. You have Louise Robert

892
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 4: as a client, You had him out at Boris camp

893
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 4: and as a White Sox fan and somebody that has

894
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 4: always wanted Louise Robert to be a superstar.

895
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 6: What did he do this offseason?

896
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 4: Because everyone's like, oh, he's in great shape and he's

897
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 4: going to be great for the Mets and this and that,

898
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 4: But what did he change this off season?

899
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: Well, we took over Luis about over a year ago

900
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: and we found something. And we found something that we

901
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: brought to him about oh July of last year about

902
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: how to get him back to being himself and what

903
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 3: the difference was in his approach and what he was

904
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: doing in the batter's box and how he managed himself.

905
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 3: And I'm no hitting coach and never intend to be,

906
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 3: but in our study and evaluation of him, we knew

907
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: when he was elite and how he performed elite at

908
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 3: the big league level. We had that in our library

909
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: to be able to illustrate to him that these adjustments

910
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,479
Speaker 3: are truly him, not what he was doing currently. And boy,

911
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 3: he had like a well over an eight hundred ops

912
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: for the rest of the season and did great and

913
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 3: I think the.

914
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: Mets saw this. But the best thing is when you talk.

915
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: About Max Schuers or the thing you learn about greatness

916
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: from all of them, Framatos and many of the people

917
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 3: that I've had the great fortune, you know, Garrit Cole,

918
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: You learn from greatness about how you talk to players

919
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: and what you do when they have great ability, and

920
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 3: how to approach it and what's effective.

921
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: And you have that route and path where you have.

922
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 3: To confront them sometimes, but you also have to understand

923
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: and listen and give them a choice and a pathway

924
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: where they choose, they're invested and they go. And also

925
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 3: I have one Soto at our Boris Sport Performances camp,

926
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 3: and we have one in Florida, we have one in Arizona,

927
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: we have one in California. I have one Soto and

928
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 3: Luis Robert together. Ironically, they're going to be teammates. To

929
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: watch one Sodo work out every day, to watch what

930
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 3: one Sodo does, to sit down and talk to one

931
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 3: Sodo about how he approaches his control of the zone,

932
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: what he's done. I remember talking to one Soda when

933
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 3: he was seventeen about how Barry Bonds and Willie Mays

934
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 3: taught me about zone control and what the benefits of

935
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: that are and what you do, and Juan Soto adapted that.

936
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 3: I mean, one Soda didn't walk his first hundred bats

937
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: and pro ball. He adopted that to the extreme, and

938
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: now he gets.

939
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: To share that day to day with Luise Robert. It's relaxing.

940
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 3: It's comforting because now Luis Robert gets to be around

941
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 3: a true superstar. He gets to be around somebody that

942
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: he can go to daily and he gets to share

943
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: and he walks out of the ballpark even after a

944
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: bad day, with comfort and direction, so that he's excited

945
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: about coming to the ballpark the next day because he

946
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: has two things he didn't have in Chicago. He's got

947
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 3: the presence of a superstar to rely on, and he

948
00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: has a chance to.

949
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 2: Win every day.

950
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 3: And so those are the kinds of things that invigorate players,

951
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: and in my mind, is going to allow Luis Robert

952
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,320
Speaker 3: to have an extraordinary year because he's a great talent.

953
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 6: What was it? Tell us give us the secrets of

954
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 6: bors camp? Maybe I can still play it.

955
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 4: If you can figure out something that I could do

956
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 4: forty nine years old, maybe I could make a comeback.

957
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 2: What was the secret aj that flat bat? Swing?

958
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: Get on top that high fastball? You knew how to

959
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: do that? Brother, Good for you.

960
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: I like it.

961
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: I remember I was a leftianda hit or Joe, I

962
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: saw that I go, you have that bad speed.

963
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: Most characters don't have that bad speed to get on

964
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: top of that heat. You did, you know, no doubt.

965
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 3: But in every case, obviously, when you go through these

966
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 3: things personally with players, you certainly don't want pictures to know.

967
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: A lot of things about what their adjustments are.

968
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 6: So that's fair, That's very fair, Scuy.

969
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: I let these guys mostly cook and ask the questions.

970
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I just have one more that I want to ask you,

971
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: because many fans that just went through free agent, so

972
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: you see, their teams not participate much. So I know

973
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: we went into some parts of this already, but almost

974
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: like trying to remove some of the CBA component to it.

975
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: You know, when there are plenty of teams you do

976
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: deals with, you do deals with all of them technically,

977
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: but some obviously come and kind of say, hey, we

978
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: don't have much, right like do you believe them? Should

979
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: fans believe them? And if they really don't have anything

980
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: to spend in free agency? Is is it a revenue

981
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: sharing issue? Because then it seems like the big market

982
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: teams feel as if they've shared a lot of revenue

983
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: and it doesn't always get spent which I know we've

984
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: talked about. So basically, I'm just trying to rep the

985
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: fans that felt like they didn't have fun in this

986
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: free agent period and what your take is on it

987
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: when you're having conversations with the decision makers about it,

988
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: well wast.

989
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 3: The I think the fan question is what are their revenues?

990
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: And the answer is, you know, the way the CBA works,

991
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 3: when the Mets the Dodgers spend and they have literally

992
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: hundreds of million dollars in taxation, that money goes to

993
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 3: a pool that's distributed to who the clubs who are

994
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 3: not the major market clubs they get, They get those

995
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: those revenues back to them in addition to getting how

996
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: much in revenue sharing fifty million, seventy five million. So

997
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 3: when a club says we're spending one hundred and thirty

998
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 3: and they're getting eighty million in revenue sharing, you're going

999
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: to go out and find that every club in baseball

1000
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 3: is making over two hundred and fifty the three hundred

1001
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars, but they're they're you know, I

1002
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 3: saw a percentage of revenue spent in time, you know,

1003
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 3: so all of a sudden, you see where the Cubs

1004
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 3: are in the bottom third of that, and they're the

1005
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 3: third or fourth team in revenue, and you go, okay,

1006
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 3: well that gets out. Fans are aware, and then maybe

1007
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: the Cub's made some adjustments and signing Bregman and maybe

1008
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 3: they'll make more a job, signy more people. But the

1009
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 3: fact of the matter is, when you get down to it,

1010
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 3: is that it is very clear in today's game that

1011
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 3: every club could afford one or two free agents major

1012
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: free agents. They might not be able to afford five

1013
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 3: or six, but they can afford one or two. And

1014
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: so the reality of that is is that when you

1015
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: don't have revenue transparency, you get to say a lot

1016
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 3: of things, and you get to go through and say that, look,

1017
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 3: we have a bottom line. We're not going to go

1018
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: that because we want to profit this much from the game.

1019
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 3: They're owners that clearly do that, because we those of

1020
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: us who mine the revenues of the game, know what

1021
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 3: they're making. But unless you're the Atlanta Braves, you can say, well,

1022
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 3: why are the Braves making three and four hundred million

1023
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: a year? Why are they just making one hundred and

1024
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: fifty and go and spending on more free agents Because

1025
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 3: they're much like the top five, six seven revenue teams,

1026
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 3: why aren't they doing this? And a fan, when you

1027
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: bring transparency, allows them to weigh what the teams are doing,

1028
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: because for me, I don't. I think every owner should

1029
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 3: have the right to do what he wants to do,

1030
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 3: but I also believe he should be accountable for doing it,

1031
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: and transparency brings that so that the fans understand about this.

1032
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: I've always believed that in the player community, you are

1033
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 3: rewarded based on your performance and you're also penalized based

1034
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 3: on your performance.

1035
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: We need to bring that to sport. We need rewards

1036
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 2: for winning.

1037
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: We always talk about rewards for winning, we also need

1038
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 3: to know that, you know, if I'm the Milwaukee Brewers

1039
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: or Tampa Bay or whatever, and I'm doing things and

1040
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 3: I'm winning a division, I need to get a big

1041
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 3: reward for that because you know, what I did something

1042
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: that is exactly what we want from the game. We

1043
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 3: want our clubs that are not in major markets performing

1044
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 3: like major markets on the field, but we don't apply that.

1045
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 3: We don't do that, we don't give them reverence for

1046
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 3: their performance. And I think that also when we have

1047
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: teams that are continually losing, they're continually out of the playoffs,

1048
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 3: and we give them time, give them five, six, seven years.

1049
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: When you're not in the playoffs, you're getting decreased revenue sharing.

1050
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 3: You're not doing that well you because you're not returning

1051
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 3: to the league a proper plan to make the league better,

1052
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: and that I think is something that I'm not sure

1053
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: a union can do it.

1054
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm not sure a collective Barny agreemd done.

1055
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 3: But I think the game would be a lot better

1056
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,959
Speaker 3: if owners ran the game and owners said, I only

1057
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: want good operators.

1058
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 2: In this game.

1059
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 3: That's what I want. I want great operators in this game.

1060
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: Someone came to me about expansion. What's the greatest expansion market, Well,

1061
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 3: it's the Bay Area because they have twelve to fourteen

1062
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 3: million people, and someone left to go to a smaller

1063
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 3: market so they could get revenue sharing. I go, yes,

1064
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 3: If I'm a new owner, I'm not going to give

1065
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: that to the Giants. I'm going to make sure that

1066
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 3: the greatest expansion franchise and the TV rights are going

1067
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: to move a team to the Bay Area because we

1068
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 3: have such a volume of fans there to support a

1069
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 3: great fan base on high.

1070
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 2: TV ratings to do it. So we have all this

1071
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 2: all this.

1072
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 3: Proper assessment of revenues that is not transparent that creates

1073
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 3: questions like you've just given Scott.

1074
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: Good thank you.

1075
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans were live acting listening

1076
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: to that and needed to hear that we're asking for

1077
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: stewards of the game to care and to be transparent

1078
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: with fans.

1079
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 4: By the way, one thing I'll say this, Scott, Scott,

1080
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 4: we don't have to name the team, but there was

1081
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 4: one team that would not negotiate with you at all,

1082
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 4: and you knew who they were. So that's funny that

1083
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 4: it's a new regime there now, but at one time

1084
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 4: there was a major thing where a certain team would

1085
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 4: not even call Scott. He knows who it is. And also,

1086
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 4: you need to give someone else a raise. You need

1087
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 4: to give one of your lawyers a raise. That's just

1088
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 4: for me. So that's it.

1089
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,800
Speaker 1: Well, Scott, we've got more and we bargained for in

1090
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: time and really appreciate it. It had been a minute. I

1091
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: think it was worth it. It was good recap of

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Speaker 1: what's been going on over the last few months. You know,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate it. Fans love to hear it, and like

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Speaker 1: you said, you publicize it by talking about it on

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Speaker 1: shows like this too, where you can just go wherever

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Speaker 1: you want to go.

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Speaker 6: So thank you.

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Speaker 1: Great to catch up with you and we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you soon.

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Speaker 2: Scott aj Eric, thanks for your time. It's always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.