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Speaker 3: Are you aware of USDA's Snap Contingency Fund? Yes or no?
Speaker 3: Yes or no?
Speaker 1: Are you aware of it? Sir? I'm aware of that.
Speaker 3: Are you aware that USDA, despite bipartisan demands from Congress,
Speaker 3: is refusing to use that fund to help keep food
Speaker 3: assistance going to families after Saturday?
Speaker 4: Yes or NOA.
Speaker 1: I my understand that is now in litigation, and it's.
Speaker 3: In litigation because the administration is refusing to use the funds.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be in litigation if the administration would just
Speaker 3: use the five billion dollars that's available to use, correct,
Speaker 3: on top of the other funds that my colleague just
Speaker 3: referred to.
Speaker 6: So that's that's the claim in litigation because it's in
Speaker 6: It's not something.
Speaker 3: So it's in litigation because these are decisions that the
Speaker 3: Trump administration that the USDA is making in real time.
Speaker 3: They're deciding to pit hungry people against sick people, and
Speaker 3: I think that's im moral. There's nothing legally stopping the
Speaker 3: administration from making emergency food assistance funds that they're just
Speaker 3: sitting on available for Georgia kids and families in November.
Speaker 3: But even as we debate what to do about these
Speaker 3: ACA subsidies, it is it is indisputable that the USDA
Speaker 3: under the Trump administration is choosing to pull hungry children
Speaker 3: into this fight. They're not just in this fight, They're
Speaker 3: being pulled into this fight used as ponds for short
Speaker 3: term political gain. I thinks deeply immoral, and I think
Speaker 3: we can certainly do better than that.
Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is Angela Raie with Native lampod
Speaker 1: just hearing from Senator Raphael Warnock and hearing this week
Speaker 1: about what is happening with Donald Trump's impoundments as it
Speaker 1: relates specifically with the SNAP program. But today not one,
Speaker 1: but two federal courts have ruled that Donald J. Trump's
Speaker 1: administration must resume SNAP benefits. Terror illegal. These are just
Speaker 1: two words used today to describe the irreparable harm caused
Speaker 1: by the Trump Administration's failure to fund the Supplemental Nutrition
Speaker 1: Assistance Program. Of course, that is what most of us
Speaker 1: call food stamps. In Rhode Island, the court says, the
Speaker 1: court is orally at this time ordering that USDA that is,
Speaker 1: the Department of Agriculture must distribute the contingency money timely
Speaker 1: for as soon as possible for the November first payments
Speaker 1: to be made. That's from United States District Judge John J. McConnell, Jr.
Speaker 1: And after an hour were long emergency hearing just today,
Speaker 1: Judge McConnell ruled that the suspension of SNAP funding is
Speaker 1: not only arbitrary, it is likely to cause irreparable harm.
Speaker 1: He said that the terror felt by Americans who are
Speaker 1: scrambling to meet their basic needs to ensure that their
Speaker 1: needs are being met, are going to be left in
Speaker 1: harm's way. Judge McConnell ordered the Trump administration to continue
Speaker 1: paying for the program using emergency funds we call it
Speaker 1: a contingency fund, and that they have to come back
Speaker 1: to court on Monday and say how SNAP will be funded.
Speaker 1: In Boston, Massachusetts, the federal Judge Indira Tolwane said that
Speaker 1: she was going to reserve judgment on whether to issue
Speaker 1: a tro which is a temporary restraining order, and asked
Speaker 1: for the Trump administration to advise the court on whether
Speaker 1: they would authorize reduced SNAP benefits for November. Right now,
Speaker 1: there is a Contingency Fund in the United States Department
Speaker 1: of Agriculture, that is to the tune of six billion dollars.
Speaker 1: That does not cover the full amount at risk monthly. Monthly,
Speaker 1: the SNAP program costs eight point two billion dollars and
Speaker 1: feeds more than four hundred, I'm sorry, more than forty
Speaker 1: two million Americans. So, of course, these two rulings are
Speaker 1: in response to filings on Tuesday by twenty five plaintiffs
Speaker 1: that is, twenty two attorneys general across the country, as
Speaker 1: well as governors in Kansas, in Kentucky and Pennsylvania, and
Speaker 1: of course the District of Columbia. They all came together
Speaker 1: to sue the United States Department of Agriculture, and they
Speaker 1: have been successful so far. What we need to understand,
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure that we take a
Speaker 1: moment just to commend the people across the country who
Speaker 1: have come together to fund and provide donations to food banks.
Speaker 1: From churches like New Birds shout out to my good
Speaker 1: brother an extended pastor, Jamal Bryant, into folks like Leonard
Speaker 1: Charlotte Mae McKelvey, who's one of the founders of Reason Choice,
Speaker 1: who's given multiple donations across various states, including South Carolina
Speaker 1: and New York to ensure that Americans don't go hungry.
Speaker 1: When we look at that Masows hierarchy of needs, one
Speaker 1: of our most basic needs, one of our most basic
Speaker 1: needs is to be able to eat. And that is
Speaker 1: something that this administration is denying the American people. And
Speaker 1: here's what I want you to know. Let's say that
Speaker 1: the Trump administration when they go back to court on Monday,
Speaker 1: doesn't have a plan. They don't know how they're going
Speaker 1: to fund this, how they're going to make sure that
Speaker 1: the American people who provide the funding for this thing
Speaker 1: through their taxpayer dollars. If they come back and they
Speaker 1: don't have a plan, and they say, you know what,
Speaker 1: Judge actually, which they've done before, we're going to defy
Speaker 1: this court order. If they do that and they deny
Speaker 1: food to forty two million people, they deny the funding
Speaker 1: to forty two million Americans, this is tantamount to theft.
Speaker 1: This is theft from the American people. This is theft
Speaker 1: from taxpayers, and your taxpayer dollars they are stealing from you.
Speaker 1: And that amounts to something we call an impownment. So
Speaker 1: let's just talk briefly about impowerments because I think we
Speaker 1: need to understand this, And for those who are watching
Speaker 1: on Instagram Live, I urge you to tune into our
Speaker 1: youtubecause I'm gonna cut this live off right now. What
Speaker 1: I want to say is that an impowerment is it
Speaker 1: refers to the delay or withholding by the President of
Speaker 1: funds previously approved by Congress for certain fiscal or policy aims. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to be clear about this, just for a moment.
Speaker 1: An empowerment is unlawful. An empowerment is unconstitutional. The Constitution
Speaker 1: of the United States of American Article one, section nine
Speaker 1: claws seven says, impertinent part, no money shall be drawn
Speaker 1: from the Treasury, but in consequence of appropriations. Appropriations can
Speaker 1: only be made by Congress, y'all, made by law, and
Speaker 1: a regular statement and account of the receipts and expenditures
Speaker 1: of all public money shall be published from time to time.
Speaker 1: The power of the purse belongs to Congress, not to
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Now, y'all know, he's been still in a
Speaker 1: long time. That's what the court case is say, been
Speaker 1: still in a long time. The reason why he's mad
Speaker 1: at tis James. Right now, the Attorney General of New York.
Speaker 1: The reason why he has found a way to indict
Speaker 1: her off of nonsense is because she had the nerve,
Speaker 1: the audacity, the unmitigated gaal to sue this man for
Speaker 1: fraud in New York still ows millions of dollars in fines.
Speaker 1: And we thought he was gonna do this country different
Speaker 1: wake up call. He is not. And so also what
Speaker 1: you should know is in the Supreme Court, even precedent, case,
Speaker 1: precedent is on the side of the American people because
Speaker 1: in a case Train versus City of New York, the
Speaker 1: Supreme Wart unanimously held, not six to three, not five
Speaker 1: to four, not seven to two, unanimously held the President
Speaker 1: does not have unilateral authority to impound funds. Again, Congress
Speaker 1: has the power of the person. So what we've been
Speaker 1: saying our week, y'all, is that it's time to stop
Speaker 1: the real still, stop the real still. There was no
Speaker 1: stolen election. The stealing is happening to taxpayers. The stealing
Speaker 1: is happening to the American people, some of whom have
Speaker 1: already gone hungry because funds had already run out. And
Speaker 1: I want to shout out again, not just the people
Speaker 1: who have contributed to food banks contributed to funds, made
Speaker 1: extra food for their neighbors, but also for the good
Speaker 1: actors in states who have said, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: going to bridge this gap, whatever gap that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is creating by not coming to the table to negotiate
Speaker 1: with people of good will. We are going to make
Speaker 1: sure that folks who look like me and you, folks
Speaker 1: in our states, our citizens can eat. So I want
Speaker 1: to just shout them out. There's a whole CRS report.
Speaker 1: CRS is the Congressional Research Service that talks about the
Speaker 1: Impoundment Control Act of nineteen seventy four. That is, the
Speaker 1: President relied upon in Train versus City of New York,
Speaker 1: that Supreme Court case that I just reference. What I
Speaker 1: want you to know is that stopping the real still
Speaker 1: means that the Supreme Court has to follow President. Stopping
Speaker 1: the real still means that House Republicans, that Senate Republicans
Speaker 1: have to come to the table in earnest and talk
Speaker 1: about what this really is about. They want to deny
Speaker 1: the American people of health care subsidies that were covered
Speaker 1: in the Affordable Care Act, or if some of y'all
Speaker 1: like to call Obamacare. This is about ensuring that healthcare
Speaker 1: remains affordable to people. I want to take from those subsidies, right.
Speaker 1: They want to take from those subsidies and every other
Speaker 1: little place they can pull from to fund these tax
Speaker 1: breaks for people who are making a whole lot more
Speaker 1: money than you and me. I don't want to pay
Speaker 1: for that. I don't know about y'all, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to pay for that. If I get to say,
Speaker 1: and where my taxpayer dollars are going, I don't want
Speaker 1: to pay for that. I'd rather pay for health care
Speaker 1: being affordable to y'all. Right. I want to make sure
Speaker 1: that we are giving people breaks who actually need relief,
Speaker 1: not just Donald Trump's golf buddies. That's not what I
Speaker 1: want to do. That's not what I'm here for. So
Speaker 1: I think that we need to be very clear about that.
Speaker 1: What is unfortunate is that the Republican Party writ large
Speaker 1: are using snap benefits and the lack thereof, to starve
Speaker 1: our children, to starve our seniors, to starve our people,
Speaker 1: to starve our babies, to say we're gonna leverage this
Speaker 1: them as a political football to delay and deny health
Speaker 1: care subsidies. Both are wrong, Both are foul, and that
Speaker 1: is what Senator Warnock was saying in his conversation in
Speaker 1: his is back and forth in that Senate hearing. And
Speaker 1: so now I want to switch gears, because we need
Speaker 1: to talk about how we protect our power, how we
Speaker 1: find our power, how we leverage our power in an
Speaker 1: environment that feels so politically toxic. We are grasping at
Speaker 1: straws every day trying to figure out how we keep
Speaker 1: the lights on, how we feed our families, how we
Speaker 1: educate our children, and how we preserve a democracy that
Speaker 1: was not only just fragile, y'all, but in so many
Speaker 1: ways broken. And so there are people of goodwill, as
Speaker 1: my good brother Vince would say, who are fighting the
Speaker 1: power every single day in the state of California. As
Speaker 1: you all know, we have an election coming up. I
Speaker 1: voted yesterday with my mom and dad. Where's my sticker. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's on the back of my lapt Let me show, y'all.
Speaker 1: I voted yesterday. That's my sticker right there, if you'all
Speaker 1: can see it. And shout out to everybody running in
Speaker 1: King County and in Seattle running for office, and also
Speaker 1: the ballot initiatives that we supported. In speaking of ballot initiatives,
Speaker 1: We have folks that are fighting in power in California
Speaker 1: right now, trying to meet folks where they are. There
Speaker 1: was a racist jerry manderin process that took place in Texas,
Speaker 1: and there were folks in the California legislature that said
Speaker 1: not on our watch, bang the table, like Ian lavanzet y'all,
Speaker 1: and one of them is joining us today to talk
Speaker 1: about Proposition fifty. It's a very important ballot measure that
Speaker 1: is on the ballot in California. This ballot measure was
Speaker 1: introduced to many of you by Governor Newsom, but Governor
Speaker 1: Newsom would not have been able to ensure that this
Speaker 1: ballot INITIAI made it onto the ballots of the folks
Speaker 1: throughout the state without the acting of the legislature. Proposition
Speaker 1: fifty authorizes temporary changes is to congressional district maps in
Speaker 1: response to what Texas has done. In joining us today
Speaker 1: to talk about this very very critical ballot initiative. Right
Speaker 1: on the other side of this clip, I want you
Speaker 1: all to see this ad is Assembly Member Tina mckinner.
Speaker 1: The first you're going to watch this.
Speaker 2: Say, California, with Prop fifty, you have the power. You
Speaker 2: have the power to stand up to Donald Trump.
Speaker 7: You have the.
Speaker 1: Power to protect reproductive freedom.
Speaker 2: You have the power to stop election rigging.
Speaker 6: You have the power to give America a fair midterm.
Speaker 2: You have the power to restore checks and balances.
Speaker 6: You have the power to stand up for everyone being
Speaker 6: a rased by this president, for all of us in
Speaker 6: all fifty states.
Speaker 2: Yes on fifty.
Speaker 1: So shout out to the black women who made it
Speaker 1: into the ad Assembly member. I was looking for you too,
Speaker 1: and I also was looking for my big sister Kamala Harris.
Speaker 1: But we gonna make sure we run a different ad,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 7: We have one.
Speaker 8: By the way, how you doing, Angela?
Speaker 1: How you know good? Well, if you can't send it
Speaker 1: to us before we in the program, sorry, big, big, big,
Speaker 1: big fan.
Speaker 9: I just want to shout out to you before we
Speaker 9: even get started, to lift you up for giving us
Speaker 9: real news and not all that fake stuff that's out there.
Speaker 9: So I commend you for your social activism. Thank you
Speaker 9: for what you do.
Speaker 1: Thank you, my sister. I'm also mutually supportive. Thank you
Speaker 1: for fighting the good fight. We always talk about the
Speaker 1: Congressional Black Caucus as being the conscience of the Congress. Well,
Speaker 1: there are some bold tremendous, beautiful black legislators in the
Speaker 1: California State Assembly who are fighting the good fight every day,
Speaker 1: both helping to ensure that we feel and see our
Speaker 1: power at the ballot box with Prop fifty, but also
Speaker 1: even the packages that some of them, some of the
Speaker 1: bills were passed, but some of them weren't. Most recently.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it a lot more. I'll listen all
Speaker 1: we talk about on the other side of this election.
Speaker 1: But I know you got thoughts. You were one of
Speaker 1: those authors of the bill, and I really really respected
Speaker 1: the bill that you introduced. So if there's anything I
Speaker 1: can do on the other side of this to make
Speaker 1: sure that that gets the uplifted needs for next session,
Speaker 1: you can count me and my sister thank you.
Speaker 9: Thank you, because it's extremely important and we're starting with reparations,
Speaker 9: which I'd love to do that we have to make
Speaker 9: sure that we separate reparations from Prop.
Speaker 8: Fifty's just there.
Speaker 1: I want to make it they're not even the same,
Speaker 1: it's not even the same people who had to consider it.
Speaker 8: No, we want to make sure that we don't mix
Speaker 8: it up.
Speaker 9: Even though you guys see Gavin Usim out there talking,
Speaker 9: he's the governor.
Speaker 8: That's what he's supposed to do. He's doing his job.
Speaker 9: He's supposed to defend California. This is what the democratic
Speaker 9: governor should be doing. They should be protecting democracy, talking
Speaker 9: shit to Trump.
Speaker 1: I can say shit, you can say whatever you want Trump.
Speaker 8: I love the way he.
Speaker 9: Talked shit to Trump, talking shit to Trump, protecting democracy.
Speaker 9: But this Prop fifty doesn't belong to him. It belongs
Speaker 9: to us. Yes, the Prop fifty does not belong to
Speaker 9: Gavin Newsom, y'all.
Speaker 8: It belongs to us.
Speaker 9: He's the spokeperson because he's the governor and he's doing
Speaker 9: his job. His job is to protect democracy, protect California.
Speaker 8: And I love the way he's talking shit to Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And I want to just fly for you really quick.
Speaker 1: Just a technical matter. I want to make sure we
Speaker 1: are emotive people, so black people use our hands when
Speaker 1: we talk. Your screen is moving a little bit. I
Speaker 1: wanted to stay as stationare as possible so they can
Speaker 1: hear you and see you, my sister. But this is great.
Speaker 1: Now here's the next thing that I want that I
Speaker 1: want to talk about. I think that people probably are
Speaker 1: resenting a little bit how much we are having to
Speaker 1: output in this moment. There are those of you, those
Speaker 1: of us like me and you I know, we went
Speaker 1: to the ballot box. We exercise our franchise. We did
Speaker 1: the right thing. We told everybody. So we told everybody
Speaker 1: what was coming in Project twenty twenty five. We told
Speaker 1: people that there was no competition in qualification, style, substance,
Speaker 1: or anything else between Connall Harris and Donald Trump. And
Speaker 1: yet people still got it wrong. Those same people got
Speaker 1: the nerve to be tired talking about they don't want
Speaker 1: to go back. Well, some of y'all didn't go back,
Speaker 1: and if you did go you voted wrong. Not that
Speaker 1: many in our community, but we do have some folks
Speaker 1: talk about why it is so important for people to
Speaker 1: pay attention to this particular election. Again, for those of
Speaker 1: you who don't understand what the assembly member was saying,
Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom is not on the ballot. This is not
Speaker 1: a midterm election. This is an election related to Proposition
Speaker 1: fifty to solve four harms that were caused in other states,
Speaker 1: namely Texas. There are some other harms that are coming,
Speaker 1: so this is to prevent some of those harms. So
Speaker 1: we have representation and throughout the country even if it
Speaker 1: comes from other parts of the world, like, for example,
Speaker 1: Assembly member, you'll appreciate this. Washington State just got our
Speaker 1: first black member of Congress a few sessions ago, right,
Speaker 1: just a few sessions ago. So who I went to
Speaker 1: were people outside of our state, particularly on issues that
Speaker 1: matter to the black community. So this is one of
Speaker 1: those things where it's saying we're gonna have to maybe
Speaker 1: go outside of Texas, maybe go outside of Ohio, maybe
Speaker 1: go outside of Missouri or Indiana. And I don't wish
Speaker 1: for any of our members to lose their seats, but
Speaker 1: if that's what they do, then we need some backup
Speaker 1: in other parts of the country. That's not uncanny to
Speaker 1: black people. I think that's really strange for white people
Speaker 1: to have to process that they may have to get
Speaker 1: support from other parts of the country. You all do
Speaker 1: that too, because you're representing the needs of black constituents
Speaker 1: throughout the state of California. So can you talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about that role that you play that isn't
Speaker 1: just unique to your district, but really is representing our
Speaker 1: interests throughout the state.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, we have one hundred and twenty members in the
Speaker 9: state Assembly and Senate, twelve African American people represent black
Speaker 9: people across the state. So it's twelve of us, so
Speaker 9: we have ten percent. So of course we represent all
Speaker 9: the black folks across the state. We make sure that
Speaker 9: we do that well too. By the way, we're pretty
Speaker 9: feisty group. Look what happened in this was you all know,
Speaker 9: Donald Trump called Texas and say give me five give
Speaker 9: me five seats.
Speaker 8: I deserve it.
Speaker 9: In California, we heard it and our governor jumped right
Speaker 9: on it and he said, you bring the fight to California.
Speaker 9: We bring it back to you. And so we went
Speaker 9: in and we passed three bills. The first bill is
Speaker 9: a constitutional bill to allow us the legislature to draw maps,
Speaker 9: to redraw the maps because we have an independent a
Speaker 9: redistrict and Commission that comes in every ten years and
Speaker 9: draw the maps. So we take that and the legislature
Speaker 9: are going to draw them. That was the first bill.
Speaker 9: The second bill actually accepts the maps that we drew.
Speaker 9: And the third bill paid for this special election. The
Speaker 9: special election is gonna cost us about fifty million, I'm sorry,
Speaker 9: five hundred million dollars.
Speaker 8: I always forget that zero.
Speaker 1: I would want to forget it to that's expensive.
Speaker 8: It's expensive.
Speaker 9: But we were more afraid not to spend the money
Speaker 9: than to give up the money because Trump is so
Speaker 9: damn dangerous. You just talked about he's making he's putting
Speaker 9: hunger against health care.
Speaker 8: Who does that?
Speaker 1: Who does that?
Speaker 8: A crazy man? And so we voted on it.
Speaker 9: And unlike Texas, Texas just we drew the maps. Unlike Texas,
Speaker 9: we believe in a democracy. So we're taking it back
Speaker 9: to the voters and we're asking the voters permission to
Speaker 9: draw the maps. But what this does is when Texas
Speaker 9: put in those five Republican seats, California is going to
Speaker 9: put in five Democratic seats. We're gonna we drew those lines. Well,
Speaker 9: we drew in Democrats. There are only nine Republican seats
Speaker 9: in California. I love living in republic In California, five
Speaker 9: Republican congressional seats, and because they found a pace with us.
Speaker 8: We're gonna only leave them with four.
Speaker 9: And so this is about making sure that we have
Speaker 9: an even playing field for the midterms. Like Angela said,
Speaker 9: the midterms. Congress runs every two years. The midterms is
Speaker 9: where all the financial stuff comes through. Got to come
Speaker 9: through Congress, It's not through the president. Plus our American,
Speaker 9: this US American experiment is failing. Donald Trump as the presidency,
Speaker 9: the Supreme Court most of the time, and the US
Speaker 9: House and the US Senate. We have to ensure that
Speaker 9: we get these mid terms back, that we get Congress back,
Speaker 9: so we could stop some of these nonsense.
Speaker 7: And when you think.
Speaker 8: About nonsense, I'm gonna stop because I could go on
Speaker 8: and no.
Speaker 1: No, I have two questions for you. The first is
Speaker 1: where you kind of ended, and it's around you're gonna
Speaker 1: only leave the Republican Party with four in California. My
Speaker 1: question is given the fact that Texas is the beginning,
Speaker 1: that's not the in And I'm not great at math.
Speaker 1: I went to law school to avoid it at all costs,
Speaker 1: but I can do basic arithmetic. Why leave them with any?
Speaker 1: If you know that there are other states coming and
Speaker 1: they control most of the legislatures throughout the country, why
Speaker 1: leave them with any? What's the rationale for that?
Speaker 8: Well, we went to the voters that we well, we
Speaker 8: really did.
Speaker 9: We just wanted to do five because we thought that
Speaker 9: if we just took over, California is not as devious
Speaker 9: as Texas. So we thought it we just took over
Speaker 9: the whole state that might not be as fair because
Speaker 9: we do have Republicans that live in the state.
Speaker 1: You're not playing with fair, y'all. Y'all are playing with
Speaker 1: fashions problems.
Speaker 8: Sometimes we try to be too fair, and.
Speaker 1: I agree, I wars like and so I don't mean
Speaker 1: to cut you off, but I'm just like, I am,
Speaker 1: I am blown away, and I'm I'm gonna own this too.
Speaker 1: So I'm not so you know, I'm not shooting it
Speaker 1: just our folks. I'm owning this too. You know how
Speaker 1: you you grew up professionally in a thing, right, and
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, I know this game. I know what
Speaker 1: it is. I can advise anybody, eyes closed, blindfolded, hands
Speaker 1: time by on my back, one leg. I'm ready. But
Speaker 1: they changed the entire rules of the game. The rules
Speaker 1: of engagement have shifted. And so what is blowing my
Speaker 1: mind and I have to again, I have to reset
Speaker 1: every day too, is how resistant we are to what
Speaker 1: has occurred, Like the fact that this is a fascist regime.
Speaker 1: We are living under an authoritarian government who readily defies
Speaker 1: court orders, and we're like, oh, well, you know, let
Speaker 1: me just be fair because these other you know, you
Speaker 1: might have a Republican friend that you know, sit down,
Speaker 1: go to the movies, eat some cheese it's with or whatever.
Speaker 1: But like, they are still empowering and endorsing this fascism,
Speaker 1: and so there has to be a consequence somewhere, especially
Speaker 1: if the math isn't math so hypothetical. Let's say that
Speaker 1: you realize tomorrow or election day, right the day everybody's voting, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm prop fifty, that they are coming from more seats
Speaker 1: than you thought. Is there a mechanism to change it
Speaker 1: so that you eliminate all nine? Not just there's not
Speaker 1: a mechanism, you stuck mechanism.
Speaker 8: We drew the maps.
Speaker 9: They're voting on the maps on Tuesday. So we drew
Speaker 9: the maps, and we're voted on the maps. But we
Speaker 9: know that we also have New York and Chicago and
Speaker 9: a couple of a few other blue states that we've
Speaker 9: talked to that are also ready to pull some of
Speaker 9: these triggers if we need it.
Speaker 1: You hope. And then so you have two others that
Speaker 1: are relying on whether or not their governors are democratic
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. That's New Jersey and Virginia in particular. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you this because you brought up this independent
Speaker 1: redistricting thing, and when you talk to most black civil
Speaker 1: rights orgs, this is the thing that they are blown
Speaker 1: away by. Did we do right by establishing these independent
Speaker 1: redistricting commissions in states? Was that the right thing to do?
Speaker 8: I think it was.
Speaker 9: It gave us here in California, we picked up We
Speaker 9: picked up seats and places that we never served before.
Speaker 9: We have a lot of first in different areas because
Speaker 9: of the redistricting independent redistricting Commission, because it puts four Democrats,
Speaker 9: four Republicans, five independents that way, and they choose them
Speaker 9: with people who haven't really been involved in politics that much.
Speaker 8: That way.
Speaker 9: They're coming in and they're listening to all the testimony
Speaker 9: with the open mind instead of a Biprotestant mind.
Speaker 8: And I think they did really.
Speaker 9: Well in California with the with the maths, and I
Speaker 9: think they should do that across the country because if
Speaker 9: they did, we wouldn't have this thing that Donald Trump
Speaker 9: just did and said just give me seats, because that's
Speaker 9: not the way to do it.
Speaker 1: And that's that's how you being a hoping on a
Speaker 1: wing inner prayer that that that all the rest of
Speaker 1: the states would be in integrity, as it sounds like
Speaker 1: you all have been in the process. The other thing
Speaker 1: is a lot of these independent redistricting commissions end up
Speaker 1: eliminating majority black district majority minority districts. I just send majority,
Speaker 1: I'll send majority people of colored districts. That's another thing
Speaker 1: that we have to consider. But what I do know,
Speaker 1: as simbly member, is you are working hard on this initiation.
Speaker 1: You want to talk to you for the first time.
Speaker 1: Last week your voice was gone, so I know you're
Speaker 1: doing the work of the people. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: keep you, but I do want to just offer you
Speaker 1: an opportunity to just close out. If you were giving
Speaker 1: your final, your closing request or demand of the people
Speaker 1: to vote yes I Prop fifty, what would you say.
Speaker 8: Well, I would tell our people that listen, we must
Speaker 8: do this. Trump is trying to do.
Speaker 9: A couple of things that just affects us, right, because
Speaker 9: I know people talk about affecting a lot of us,
Speaker 9: but I'm just going to talk about Black people. First thing,
Speaker 9: he's trying to erase our history. We just got museums.
Speaker 9: He's trying to go in and wipe our history out
Speaker 9: like it never happened. Do slavery happen. Get over it.
Speaker 9: Guess how I feel. The black jobs. You talk about
Speaker 9: black jobs, those federal jobs that people got, all those
Speaker 9: people got laid off. A lot of them were black women,
Speaker 9: because black women in the seventies and eighties couldn't get
Speaker 9: big jobs in corporate America. It was only a few
Speaker 9: of us. So we went to the government. I worked
Speaker 9: for the government as well. We went to the government.
Speaker 9: We worked, and so those folks are laid out. When
Speaker 9: you look at the student loans our people have. We
Speaker 9: have a house, some savings, and a job. A lot
Speaker 9: of us don't have enough money to pay for our
Speaker 9: kids student loans. We took out student loans. Joe Biden
Speaker 9: and Kavin Harris were forgiving those student loans.
Speaker 8: Left the right. They wasn't pressing us to pay them
Speaker 8: because they know how hard it is.
Speaker 9: Not Trump right now, he came in, He's like, if
Speaker 9: you don't pay these student loan, we're gonna take your
Speaker 9: house and your car. It's just so many things that
Speaker 9: pertain to us. My brother's keeper, he'll never invest with
Speaker 9: in that. You know how they suspend choose black children.
Speaker 9: He'll never invest in that. It's so many things. We're
Speaker 9: counting on hunger versus health care. That's the thing that
Speaker 9: affects black people. So vote yes on Prop fifty on
Speaker 9: Tuesday on the fourth, please do it. Look, all of
Speaker 9: our lives depend depends on it. And California is carrying
Speaker 9: this mantle because we know, so goes California, so goes
Speaker 9: the rest of the country. And I think once we
Speaker 9: get past this part, we will win in twenty six.
Speaker 1: I love it. Assembly Member Tina mckinner. She gotta come
Speaker 1: back and talk to us about some of the bills
Speaker 1: she has in mind and how the rest of the
Speaker 1: country can get behind what California is doing laying a
Speaker 1: blueprint no pun intended. And of course we're telling folks
Speaker 1: to vote yes on Prop fifty. Thank you for all
Speaker 1: your work. I look forward to talking to you against this.
Speaker 9: Thank you, Angela, and I want to come back and
Speaker 9: talk about reparations a little later.
Speaker 1: You got it right after on November fifth. We're gonna
Speaker 1: come back absolutely absolutely, Okay, thanks so much.
Speaker 4: Okay, take care, bye bye.
Speaker 1: Our next joining us is some when she is my
Speaker 1: big sister, y'all. She has a heart for the people.
Speaker 1: She lives every single day, lifting up black people, black women,
Speaker 1: black children doing the work of the Lord through Black
Speaker 1: Women's Roundtable, the National Coalition on Black Civic Participation. She
Speaker 1: recently celebrated thirty years with this tremendous organization. I hate
Speaker 1: I missed it because if there's anything that I ever
Speaker 1: want to do, it is to celebrate my dear sister
Speaker 1: friend Melanie Campbell, who joins us.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 1: No, how are you feeling, Sis, I'm.
Speaker 6: Getting a little cold, but other than that, I'm great,
Speaker 6: you know, you know, paying attention to what's happening with
Speaker 6: snap and courts and making sure that we're out here
Speaker 6: supporting our people.
Speaker 7: Who's gonna feed our people.
Speaker 1: No matter what, no matter what, doing.
Speaker 10: It over there with Tony Lee and others, and some
Speaker 10: of our state leaders are doing it on the ground,
Speaker 10: and some of these mayors are stepping up, and we're
Speaker 10: gonna still also fight for healthcare because it's not a
Speaker 10: it's not a choice either or which is what they're
Speaker 10: trying to play out to be.
Speaker 6: But you know, it look good. Good to see you,
Speaker 6: Good to be in in in community with you. I
Speaker 6: know what they're physically, but you were there with me, girl,
Speaker 6: you are.
Speaker 1: I was, and I hope you saw the love. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's so many people that love that video and love you,
Speaker 1: so I hope you feel poor into.
Speaker 7: I'm treasuring it.
Speaker 6: I had some family stuff I had to deal with
Speaker 6: right after, but I've just been able to go back
Speaker 6: and listen and just it's just.
Speaker 7: It's it's great to feel the love and so and
Speaker 7: and I don't take it for granted.
Speaker 1: Well, I know you don't, and I want to just
Speaker 1: ask you mail you know, well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a time in your life that
Speaker 1: you can remember where circumstances in this country have been
Speaker 1: this dire? And if so, what year was that?
Speaker 7: No, not in my lifetime.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing, my dad says, and he older.
Speaker 6: Than us, good compares our in my lifetime, my parents,
Speaker 6: my grand of course for sure, right, but now not
Speaker 6: the level of evil. In my opinion, it's very very much.
Speaker 6: I feel the spiritual warfare as well as political and
Speaker 6: that you have people who have sold their soul for power.
Speaker 1: When you say spiritual warfare, it's money. Because my dad
Speaker 1: would agree with you, and he's a lot older. He's
Speaker 1: no shade daddy, but he's nineteen. He's born in nineteen
Speaker 1: forty two, and he said, never in his black life
Speaker 1: has he seen anything this bad and this blatant. And
Speaker 1: so I guess my point is, I know that we
Speaker 1: normally function as a village. We have pulled from each
Speaker 1: other and pulled from our community at this time to
Speaker 1: really find encouragement. What is giving you hope? What's giving
Speaker 1: you the desire to keep fighting? Because the one thing
Speaker 1: I can tell everybody at home, Mail is not giving up.
Speaker 1: She's doubled down. She's like, Okay, I'm mad, but I'm
Speaker 1: about to turn all this anger into progress for my people.
Speaker 1: So I want to know what's driving you.
Speaker 7: You know, because my faith one but to the village.
Speaker 7: We are a village, you know.
Speaker 6: And as much as I'm not experienced this and we
Speaker 6: in this the rapid way has happened over the last
Speaker 6: now ten months going on eleven months, I also know
Speaker 6: history and that we know enough to know that we
Speaker 6: have overcome so much as a people and we're and
Speaker 6: that has not changed. It's in our d and a
Speaker 6: to fight for our freedom. Right, that's not a cliche,
Speaker 6: it's real. And so they can do whatever and when
Speaker 6: you do the others, oh, it will come back right
Speaker 6: And We're not going no doc onware. It's like you
Speaker 6: all can think you live in some fantasy about what
Speaker 6: you're going to put black people back to and even
Speaker 6: to your own demise. But we have to know and
Speaker 6: and and really pour into uh, this next generation who
Speaker 6: really have been out here fighting, fighting to fight, and
Speaker 6: know that we have to also find ways to protect
Speaker 6: ourselves right to protect our peace if you will.
Speaker 7: But but we're gonna win because evil never wins, right.
Speaker 6: Uh, these folks that are here, I've never seen a
Speaker 6: dictator win at the end of the day, right, And
Speaker 6: it's what this man thinks he wants to be.
Speaker 7: Uh in this country, and I could believe that.
Speaker 6: You know, folks voted the way they voted last year
Speaker 6: because they thought that, for whatever the reason, they wanted
Speaker 6: to blame all of their problems on black people. But
Speaker 6: at the end of the day, they're feeling it too.
Speaker 6: White folks specifically who I'm talking about, not all white people,
Speaker 6: but quite a few of them did voted for a racist, sexist,
Speaker 6: rapist thief over an exceptionally qualified black woman, and they
Speaker 6: had done it against a white woman, you know, for
Speaker 6: whatever reason, this country. But we're not going to where angel,
Speaker 6: you know, and we're gonna have to fight and protect ourselves.
Speaker 6: And I do worry, you know, because this is a
Speaker 6: lawless administration and then having a Congress that's led by
Speaker 6: by weak people.
Speaker 1: You know. I started the show today Mail talking about,
Speaker 1: excuse me how this judge ruled today in Uh, this
Speaker 1: was in the Rhode Island case. That the administration is
Speaker 1: moving with terror and lawlessness.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 1: It is both unlawful and it is terrorism on people.
Speaker 1: And I really think it's important for us to double
Speaker 1: down on that framing because one it's accurate, and two
Speaker 1: we need to we need to not let our consciences
Speaker 1: be seared with the hot iron. We need to be
Speaker 1: clear about what is happening and why this is so
Speaker 1: problematic and why nobody, nobody did anything wrong. These are
Speaker 1: programs that our taxpayer dollars fund and that we invest
Speaker 1: in because we want the best for people. So I think,
Speaker 1: what's mind going to me? Because you talked about spiritual
Speaker 1: warfare earlier, and I want you to get into that
Speaker 1: before we before we leave. But it's spiritual warfare with
Speaker 1: people who are regularly slinging the Good Book like they
Speaker 1: are the poster children for Christianity, Yet it feels like
Speaker 1: they're representing the values of something that is in start
Speaker 1: contrast with the Bible we read. You know, so I
Speaker 1: want to I want to hear from you on why
Speaker 1: this feels like spiritual warfare and why when you you know,
Speaker 1: when you check in spiritually with yourself while you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know, it's spiritual warfare because X y Z. For
Speaker 1: those at home who are feeling kind of torn about that, well.
Speaker 6: You know what I say.
Speaker 7: I'm not a preacher, but I just be married to one.
Speaker 1: I did not know that. I never come on first lady.
Speaker 5: Lay but anyway, but you know, when you think about
Speaker 5: and I was listening to Reverend Warnock and listening to
Speaker 5: Jamal and my pastor and others and my sister who's
Speaker 5: you know, retired, So you know.
Speaker 6: So it's simple what you do to the least things,
Speaker 6: you've done it under me. So you're not gonna feed people,
Speaker 6: You're not gonna you gotta take away people's ability to
Speaker 6: have health care. You have to take away people's right
Speaker 6: to have a quality life for what at the end
Speaker 6: of the day, Right, So, at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: I believe that what you do the least of these
Speaker 6: you've done, unto me, And so that's that's the foundation
Speaker 6: of it. And you talking about not feed people seriously, right,
Speaker 6: and then playing games out here and so you know,
Speaker 6: in the social media world, you know, trying to make
Speaker 6: this about black women and all these kinds of things
Speaker 6: that they're doing. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 6: if folks don't get get the ability to feed their too,
Speaker 6: that you know, that has no color, that has to
Speaker 6: do with your lot in life. And so that that
Speaker 6: part of it to me is that probably the most corrupt, uh,
Speaker 6: and the second being about dealing with health care, and
Speaker 6: so it's really, uh, you have the ability to really
Speaker 6: you have to have something very very deeply disturbing about
Speaker 6: your soul to be able to do some of the
Speaker 6: things that they're doing. On top of the way the
Speaker 6: violence and the cruelty and say, well here people say,
Speaker 6: cruelty is the point right as a and if you
Speaker 6: want to be a dictator and one of the things
Speaker 6: that and this is no shape on no kings. People
Speaker 6: people see the monarchy, they don't get that. No, no, no,
Speaker 6: we're talking about no dictator, right, that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 6: Like this country is really, we might as well say
Speaker 6: we're living in one because because the law is not
Speaker 6: being followed. It's gonna be interesting to see, even with
Speaker 6: the court deciding a couple of hours ago that they
Speaker 6: have to provide snap benefits, will they do it? Yeah,
Speaker 6: well they need the button to do it right, or
Speaker 6: will the Supreme Court slap that back down and give
Speaker 6: this man one more out of illegal power in my opinion,
Speaker 6: And and so that's the other part of it too.
Speaker 6: You have all these different levers. But but again I
Speaker 6: hold on to the faith to know that.
Speaker 7: The Bibles used to build.
Speaker 6: To uh uh say slavery was okay, talk about it,
Speaker 6: so that history is still there and being able to
Speaker 6: know that when I think about what I'm seeing in
Speaker 6: the faith community, that folks, especially in the Black church,
Speaker 6: are stepping up. And that's that's part of learning from
Speaker 6: the history. Like we have to we have to fill
Speaker 6: in the gap. We have to do that to make
Speaker 6: sure that our people at least have the have those
Speaker 6: basic needs while we fight to fight against and create
Speaker 6: what this new thing looks like because it won't be
Speaker 6: the same. Yeah, it won't be the same, there's no way.
Speaker 6: Because it was a lot of things that we now
Speaker 6: know that require there to be surreal changes to what
Speaker 6: quote unquote this democracy ought to be, to try to
Speaker 6: make sure that the children and children and children that
Speaker 6: are coming up behind us will have a better shot
Speaker 6: at this quote unquote democracy living Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Well, ma'am. I'm grateful for you. I'm grateful for the
Speaker 1: work you continue to do, for the encouragement that you offer,
Speaker 1: both in word indeed and all of the things that
Speaker 1: you do. I just want you to know I'm definitely
Speaker 1: praying for you and for the survival and hopefully the
Speaker 1: thriving of this country and all the people who absolutely
Speaker 1: deserve their right to attain and achieve the American dream.
Speaker 1: But I want you to know that in an era
Speaker 1: where they're trying to take our votes away, I am
Speaker 1: certainly grateful for the clarion calls you've issued, the flags
Speaker 1: that you dropped. I want you to know that, even
Speaker 1: in the moments where you haven't felt heard or seen
Speaker 1: that you are congrats on thirty years. I pray for
Speaker 1: thirty more. But I also pray for ease in your work,
Speaker 1: because I know that you've had to fight a lot
Speaker 1: as a black woman to be able to hold the
Speaker 1: same platforms that your male counterparts have had with ease.
Speaker 1: I pray that people will not only see you but
Speaker 1: give you your just due because that's what equity would do,
Speaker 1: and that's the least of what is required in this moment.
Speaker 1: But thank you sis for all you do and know
Speaker 1: you've ever had assist the soldier in me.
Speaker 6: Yes, well that was I'm going to say. It's like,
Speaker 6: you know, I know where it has. I love what
Speaker 6: you and your colleagues are doing and speak to them.
Speaker 6: I guess a good leader knows how to and I
Speaker 6: follow you, my sister, like we did before, because that's
Speaker 6: what it takes. It's put and I do believe that,
Speaker 6: you know, intergenerational leadership, but also being able to shift
Speaker 6: when needed. And that's what we have to do because
Speaker 6: you know, we all get tired and weary, right and
Speaker 6: well doing, but you know it's gonna be all right,
Speaker 6: and we're not going to let the devil still our
Speaker 6: joy and we're not gonna let these crazy folks do that.
Speaker 8: And we have to also to celebrate.
Speaker 7: So I think it was able to allow.
Speaker 6: Myself to celebrate, which was you know, hard, but it
Speaker 6: was fun. And and then the thoughts that have been,
Speaker 6: including you, sharing that I would take that with me,
Speaker 6: keep going and shifting to do things.
Speaker 7: Thirty more years will look a little different than the
Speaker 7: last time.
Speaker 8: It's gotta run out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well we got your bag mail. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us. This is Melanie cam but y'all
Speaker 1: make sure you follow her at Coalition Builder on Instagram.
Speaker 1: Definitely make sure you check out NCBCP, which is the
Speaker 1: National on Black Civic Participation and Black Women's Roundtable where
Speaker 1: every black woman I know, if she's on the right
Speaker 1: side of history and in building a good legacy, has
Speaker 1: a seat at Melanie Campbell's table. So thank you, sispiate,
Speaker 1: love you y'all. You know, as mel just said, we
Speaker 1: are not gonna let the devil steal our joy. But
Speaker 1: the devil also will not steal our votes, our healthcare,
Speaker 1: or our neighbors snap benefits, because that is our most
Speaker 1: reasonable service. So as you all go out today, for
Speaker 1: those of you who will celebrate Halloween to trick or treat,
Speaker 1: do not fall for this trick bag that this man
Speaker 1: at the top of this country is trying to give us.
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Speaker 1: giving you access in real time to the information as
Speaker 1: it comes in. I'm trying to work really diligently to
Speaker 1: get you all all of that information on Tuesday. As
Speaker 1: you all know, this is our makeup day. Tuesday. We
Speaker 1: have some technical issues and you didn't get to hear
Speaker 1: from the likes of Adallie to Grahalva, who is the
Speaker 1: daughter of Raoul Grahalva, the congressman who passed. May God
Speaker 1: rest his soul. I admired him deeply. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to having that conversation. We're gonna keep talking about Prop
Speaker 1: fifty and y'all some breaking news on Tuesday. If you
Speaker 1: are in Seattle, please make sure you join me at
Speaker 1: Bener Royal Hall, where I will be moderating and unfiltered,
Speaker 1: completely real, an amazingly authentic conversation on election night after
Speaker 1: the polls have closed with Kamala Harris are Forever Madame
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Speaker 1: I'll be talking to her about the path forward. Make
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