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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show

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Speaker 3: for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do. Lots of interesting things happening this morning.

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Speaker 1: First of all, they managed to locate that F thirty five.

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Speaker 1: We've got an update. We're down there, we found it.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations everybody. Also, we have Vladimir Zelenski in town today.

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Speaker 1: We'll update you on what's going on with him, and

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Speaker 1: also some doings in the Republican caucus kind of civil

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Speaker 1: war breaking into the open, which is very interesting. We

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Speaker 1: also have an update about where Trump is going to

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Speaker 1: be for the next Republican debate. Spoiler alert, it is

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Speaker 1: not at that debate. He is actually headed to Detroit,

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Speaker 1: going to give a speech to workers there. And try

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Speaker 1: So we'll break that down for you, but also have

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Speaker 1: is factoring into twenty twenty four in a big way,

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Speaker 1: very much undercovered. Bill Maher has backed down. He will

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on there, yes, indeed, but as

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, and one of their little teas, we have

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Speaker 2: So there's still a lot of questions the Marine Corps

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Speaker 4: The drone strikes in Russia are being done on your orders? No,

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Speaker 4: You know we don't shoot at the territory of the

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Speaker 4: What message is being sent with these drone strikes in Russia?

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Speaker 4: You do know that we use our partner's weapons on

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Speaker 4: these are not punitive operations such as they carry out

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Speaker 3: Me?

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Speaker 4: No, this is our territory. You must have it all,

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Speaker 4: Today you and I you said it to me. You

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And I would point back to, you know, our interview

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Speaker 3: Especially to have this fight.

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Speaker 2: It's an insult to Zelensky to do it while here's

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Speaker 2: here in Washington.

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Speaker 3: That's why we have to pass it right now.

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Speaker 2: And I just don't think that's very likely right now, Crystal,

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Speaker 2: with all the fights that are happening.

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Speaker 1: The reason that the Ukraine Aid and the so called

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Speaker 1: continuing Resolution, which is just basically like a budget patch

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Speaker 1: so that the government doesn't shut down, the idea had

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Speaker 1: been to attach those things together. This was sort of

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's idea too, and pass them both through simultaneously, to

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Speaker 1: try to keep everyone together on these things. And we

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Speaker 1: are days away at this point from a possible shutdown.

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Speaker 1: It's an October one deadline. There had been a tentative

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Speaker 1: deal just among the House Republican caucus. We're not even

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Speaker 1: talking about the Senate. We're not even talking about what

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Speaker 1: the president wants, but just to get it through the

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Speaker 1: House with Republican votes. There had been a tentative deal

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Speaker 1: between the House Freedom Caucus, some members of the House

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Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus, and some of the more moderate members of

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Speaker 1: that caucus. But that deal instantly when it was announced,

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Speaker 1: was comp completely obliterated and shot down, primarily by other

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Speaker 1: members of the House Freedom Caucus who did not agree

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Speaker 1: with the person who had been negotiating it. So even

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Speaker 1: the original idea was okay, well, that might be able

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Speaker 1: to get through the House, but it's probably not going

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Speaker 1: to get through the Senate, which is still controlled by Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Even the idea that was going to get through the

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Speaker 1: House has now fallen apart. And so that's how these

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Speaker 1: things are tied together. Because the idea had been to

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Speaker 1: put the aid along with the Continuing Resolution and pass

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Speaker 1: them as one. Well, now there is really no sort

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Speaker 1: of clear endgame in sight in terms of getting this

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Speaker 1: government funding through. So another government shut down game of

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Speaker 1: chicken here looms. Kevin McCarthy, his speakership potentially in danger.

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Speaker 1: Matt Gates in particularly making a lot of noise. I

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Speaker 1: would say that those are kind of empty threats because

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Speaker 1: they still don't have a real alternative to McCarthy. But

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Speaker 1: you'll remember, as part of his speakership deal made it

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Speaker 1: very easy for this vote to be brought up to

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Speaker 1: remove him from the speakership. So he's running scared. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot going on there. It's very ugly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he was like cursing at the caucus, yelling at them,

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Speaker 1: and Gates is coming back at him. So it's a

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Speaker 1: total mess over there. And this Ukraine Aid funding is

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Speaker 1: caught up in the whole situation.

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Speaker 2: You know, and McCarthy won't even commit to passing any

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Speaker 2: Ukraine aid. So he was asked about this late last night.

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Speaker 2: They said, will you expect this aid to eventually pass?

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Speaker 2: He says, quote, I think we will look through it.

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Speaker 2: But the one thing I think the House is very

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Speaker 2: concerned about is what's happening right now in America. He

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Speaker 2: was also asked why the entire House Republican Conference is

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Speaker 2: not meeting with Zelensky unlike the Senate. He said, well,

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Speaker 2: they can run things their way.

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Speaker 3: We run it our way.

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Speaker 2: If he wants to meet with other people, he can

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Speaker 2: meet with them if he wants to.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, all signs.

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Speaker 2: Point to no confidence within the GOP confidence that any

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Speaker 2: of this Ukraine aid will be able to pass. It

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Speaker 2: also raises a question will the Senate and the President

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Speaker 2: shut the government down over Ukraine aid and disaster relief,

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Speaker 2: because there's two ways it could go. If the GOP

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Speaker 2: puts through a continuing resolution which includes Ukraine aid, but

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Speaker 2: then is about federal spending, I think that the Democrats

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Speaker 2: and the President would win because it would be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: they're trying to cut food stamps or.

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Speaker 3: Something like that.

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Speaker 2: But if they are, if the government is shut down

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Speaker 2: over not funding Ukraine, and then you know the cynical

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Speaker 2: ploy of pairing it with funding for like Maui and

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Speaker 2: for Hawaiian disaster relief, I think that's a whole other

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Speaker 2: conversation as to whether you're literally going to shut down

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Speaker 2: the United States government over not funding Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: But those aren't the contours right now, because even the

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Speaker 1: proposed deal from that has now fallen part with the

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Speaker 1: Republican Caucus called for like eight percent cuts to everything

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Speaker 1: except of course, defense spending, because we can't touch that,

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Speaker 1: Lord God forbid. So it was going after things like

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Speaker 1: food stamps and other programs that are really critical to people,

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Speaker 1: given how tough the economy is for a lot of

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Speaker 1: ordinary Americans. So anyway, there's a lot of pieces here.

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Speaker 1: I have no predictions about how this is all going

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Speaker 1: to work out, but it's hard to see how they're

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Speaker 1: going to navigate through these next few days without some

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Speaker 1: sort of a shutdown situation, given again that even the

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Speaker 1: House Republican Caucus cannot agree on what they want to

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Speaker 1: do with this situation. Last thing I'll say on the

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Speaker 1: Ukraine aid is if you just pulled if you just

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Speaker 1: asked members of the House Democrats and Republicans do they

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Speaker 1: support the aid, you'd have an overwhelming jory. The issue

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Speaker 1: comes in because it's still a minority. You have a

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Speaker 1: majority of regular Republicans in the country who are against

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Speaker 1: additional aid, but it's still a minority even in the

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Speaker 1: House Republican Caucus that want to block all aid going forward.

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Speaker 1: The problem is when you tie these things together and

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Speaker 1: you get it into these sort of negotiations. Democrats are

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Speaker 1: not going to help House Republicans pass like this deal

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Speaker 1: that they're trying to come to together within themselves. So

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Speaker 1: that's where this all gets really complicated and very dicey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very well said Okay.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, of course, we have been tracking

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Speaker 1: very closely here the ongoing United Autoworker strike of the

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Speaker 1: Big Three. As we've been discussing. This happened last week.

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Speaker 1: They actually went out on strike after they were unable

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Speaker 1: to reach a deal with the Big Three or three.

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Speaker 1: They are target targeting all three automakers with what they're

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Speaker 1: calling a stand up strike. That means they're not all

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Speaker 1: going on at once. They announced three plants that are

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Speaker 1: on strike right now. I think that's about thirteen thousand

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Speaker 1: of the roughly one hundred and fifty thousand UAW auto

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Speaker 1: workers who are working at these Big three. So that's

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Speaker 1: the direction that they're going in. We've had yesterday we

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Speaker 1: covered the political response. We had Biden very clearly on

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Speaker 1: the side of the workers, using their framing saying record

553
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Speaker 1: profits should mean record contracts. You had Trump unable to

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Speaker 1: say whose side he was on when he was asked

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Speaker 1: directly by Kristen Welker, are you on the side of

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Speaker 1: the bosses or on you on? Are you on the

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Speaker 1: side of the auto workers? However, he wants to use

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Speaker 1: this moment to try to resignify his working class solidarity,

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Speaker 1: even though in my opinion this has been nothing but

560
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Speaker 1: empty words. And he also wants to use it as

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Speaker 1: a cudgel against some of the push towards electric vehicles.

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Speaker 1: So let's put this up on the screen for the

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Speaker 1: New York Times. This broke just yesterday. There is a

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Speaker 1: second Republican debate scheduled for next week, so this is

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Speaker 1: coming very soon. And instead of going to that debate,

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Speaker 1: Trump is instead going to travel to Detroit and give

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Speaker 1: a speech to a lot of workers and potentially union workers,

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Speaker 1: again in an attempt to sort of tacitly signal his

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Speaker 1: support for auto workers, even as he hasn't explicitly backed

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Speaker 1: their wage and other demands. According to The New York Times,

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Speaker 1: it also says the campaign is considering the possibility of

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Speaker 1: having mister Trump make an appearance at the picket line,

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Speaker 1: although the advisor said such a visit is unlikely. So

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Speaker 1: this is the play that he is making and part

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Speaker 1: of it, Sager is trying to signal his support for

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Speaker 1: workers without actually taking explicit stance in favor of their demands.

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Speaker 1: Part of it is trying to hit Biden over EVS

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Speaker 1: and the electric vehicle transition. And part of it is

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Speaker 1: also to signal to Republicans that listen, this whole primary

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Speaker 1: situation that you all are playing at this is over.

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Speaker 1: I'm focused on the next one.

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Speaker 3: That's actually the one that I take at most.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I'm playing for the general, I'm playing for Michigan,

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Speaker 2: I'm playing to win, and it's actually a smart play

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Speaker 2: on literally all sides. As he said, I mean, Trump

586
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Speaker 2: won a decent portion of the union vote in twenty

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Speaker 2: sixteen and in twenty twenty, not an outright majority, but

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Speaker 2: enough in order to make some Democrats scared. Obviously a

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Speaker 2: lot of worker auto workers in particular back to him

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen because of some of the claims he made,

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Speaker 2: some of them didn't end up being true. Whenever it

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Speaker 2: came to GM plants and all of that.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how people in Lordstown how that went.

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Speaker 2: I wonder Crystal though, if he will reverse and actually

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Speaker 2: would come out of the side because.

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Speaker 3: Outright joining a picket line. I mean, you tell me.

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Speaker 2: I mean that seems like an outright declaration of support,

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Speaker 2: like if you were going to do he hasn't done that.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, you know what the actual thing comes down to.

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Speaker 2: I will I would just take note that, you know,

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Speaker 2: politically savvy is Trump like?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yesterday Tim Scott was on Capitol Hill. He was asked

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Speaker 2: about the auto strike. He says, quote, I think Ronald

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Speaker 2: Reagan gave us a great example when federal employees decided

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Speaker 2: they were going to strike.

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Speaker 3: He said, you strike, you're fired. Pretty simple concept to me.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, that is what the other side of

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Speaker 2: the GOP looks like.

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Speaker 3: And it is just.

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Speaker 2: Funny because similar and said the same thing Sody Nikki

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Speaker 2: Hailey as well. They were actually really understand is South

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Speaker 2: Carolina like that not? You know, I feel like there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of working classes.

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Speaker 1: And their very right to work there. They're very highways there,

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Speaker 1: and they have a number of they've got a big

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Speaker 1: non union BMW plant there, et cetera. So though it's

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Speaker 1: like kind of.

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Speaker 3: Baked, it makes sense.

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Speaker 2: But the point my thing was is I'm looking at

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Speaker 2: that and then you see Trump and you're like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: that's why it even was able to win, you know,

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Speaker 2: off rhetoric alone in twenty sixteen. So I think it's

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Speaker 2: a very politically savvy move, as you said. And the

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Speaker 2: other thing that I think is smart is this time

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Speaker 2: it's a primetime speech. It's an actual speech where the

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Speaker 2: networks are going to have to choose which one they're

628
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Speaker 2: going to have to cover, as opposed to the Tucker

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Speaker 2: interview that dropped on Twitter, where the clips, let's be honest,

630
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Speaker 2: they just weren't widely circulated. Yeah, what they wanted did

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Speaker 2: not occur, which is that for to Upstate in terms

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Speaker 2: of viewership. Now, you know, you can say all you

633
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Speaker 2: want about numbers and all that, maybe you know some

634
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Speaker 2: of it in terms of regular viewers, but I think

635
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Speaker 2: what Trump cares about and has always cared about the most,

636
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Speaker 2: is the ability to dominate the actual conversation.

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Speaker 1: And he did not do that.

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Speaker 3: He did not do there's no question.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we even saw we saw a tremendous interest

640
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Speaker 2: from a general purpose audience on our show for the

641
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Speaker 2: GOP primary, and I spoken to people in media. It

642
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Speaker 2: surpassed all expectations across several outlets, So there was no

643
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Speaker 2: you know, there's no ambiguity here as that people were interested.

644
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Speaker 2: And if he wants to continue to not show up

645
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Speaker 2: to the debates, then he wants to have to try

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Speaker 2: and dominate some of these airwaves. And I think this

647
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Speaker 2: actually is a smarter play by actually forcing them to

648
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Speaker 2: choose what they're going to cover and not and then

649
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Speaker 2: possibly even getting them to ask questions about it whatever

650
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Speaker 2: he's saying in said speech, Like tonight President Trump is

651
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Speaker 2: at the UAW or is talking to UAW workers where

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Speaker 2: do you stay? So in a reactive sense to get

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Speaker 2: the moderators to ask about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would certainly think and hope that the

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Speaker 1: autoworker strike is a topic of conversation in the debate.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be with Trump or no Trump.

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Speaker 1: I think it'd be real shame for that to not

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Speaker 1: be brought up. And see what these candidates have to say,

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Speaker 1: even as I mean, yeah, the writing is kind of

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Speaker 1: while at this point, Trump has really pulled away. The

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Speaker 1: first debate didn't do much in terms of moving the needle.

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Speaker 1: If anything, in some ways it strengthened his position because

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Speaker 1: you had NICKI Haley coming up a little bit, taking

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Speaker 1: a little bit down around Desant is kind of eating

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Speaker 1: into his position. No one else broke out of the

666
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Speaker 1: pack to really consolidate like one potential Trump alternative candidate

667
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Speaker 1: that just benefits him. I'm a little skeptical that he'll

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Speaker 1: really be able to successfully counter program any of these

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Speaker 1: debates just because they are such a big seminal event

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Speaker 1: and they contain so much you know, theater and spectacle

671
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Speaker 1: that people really enjoy that combat and to you know,

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Speaker 1: see these candidates head to head, et cetera. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how much he'll be able to break through

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Speaker 1: in terms of forcing this choice. And it's not like

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Speaker 1: the media is like super excited about covering strikes and

676
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Speaker 1: economic issues anyway. One piece on his writer, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we debated the ev piece yesterday, so you guys can

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Speaker 1: go back and watch that. But one thing about his

679
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Speaker 1: rhetoric that really bugs the hell out of me, and

680
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Speaker 1: that I also think is totally off base with the

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Speaker 1: actual workers who are involved in this strike, is he

682
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Speaker 1: keeps attacking Sean Fain, yes, without seemingly realizing that this

683
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Speaker 1: guy is brand new, that he was just elected by

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Speaker 1: these members, that they are very wholeheartedly behind him. I mean,

685
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Speaker 1: we you know, have Jordan Sheridan on the ground there

686
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Speaker 1: from Status co talking to the workers. They are very

687
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Speaker 1: much with him and with his approach and all on

688
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: board with this strike. So all of his crap that's

689
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Speaker 1: really typical like Republican union busting kind of language about

690
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Speaker 1: like the union bosses and you should quit the union

691
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Speaker 1: and form a new union and all of this kind

692
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Speaker 1: of nonsense. I think it's very off base and displays

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Speaker 1: a lack of understanding about what has actually been going

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Speaker 1: on for these workers inside of the autoworkers.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone is a very accused Trump of

696
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Speaker 2: being the details guy.

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Speaker 3: I think he's probably yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as you said, I think he's probably stuck

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Speaker 2: in the previous frame of mind, which was correct, is

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Speaker 2: that you know these union didn't the previous leader didn't

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Speaker 2: you get fun think he might have gone to jail

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Speaker 2: or he was charged or something like that.

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Speaker 1: There was previous leadership, not the present, but there were

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Speaker 1: there were leaders of the union who yes had charges

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Speaker 1: against them. And the message that Fane ran On was

706
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Speaker 1: not only being more militant with regard to these Big Three,

707
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Speaker 1: but the idea that the previous leadership was too cozy

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Speaker 1: with the bosses and that went out and it was extraordinary.

709
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Speaker 1: They also just changed the way that those elections even happened,

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Speaker 1: so that it was a much more democratic vote and

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Speaker 1: actually represented the desires of the rank and file. So

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Speaker 1: this part he either doesn't understand or doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: understand or whatever. But you know, I continue to think

714
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Speaker 1: because his message is on this is kind of convoluted.

715
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Speaker 1: It's all like he'll dodge when asked like whose side

716
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Speaker 1: are you act on? But then has you know, this

717
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: lengthy thing about EV's and China and Biden and inflation

718
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Speaker 1: and the union leadership, et cetera. I do think Biden's

719
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Speaker 1: message on this is much more clear cut about wages,

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Speaker 1: about yeah, just yes, I stand with the workers. They

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Speaker 1: deserve a better way. I mean, that's just much easier

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Speaker 1: to understand, and there's a much more direct line between like, oh,

723
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Speaker 1: these companies are making record profits, they're extremely greedy, they're

724
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Speaker 1: screwing their workers. On on the side of the workers,

725
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Speaker 1: that's it, end of story. Whereas Trump and the Republicans

726
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: thing is this like attempt at jiu jitsu to not

727
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Speaker 1: really take a side but then use it to bash Biden,

728
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Speaker 1: et cetera. And I just don't think it's as clear

729
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Speaker 1: cut of a direct message from them.

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Speaker 3: I don't disagree.

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Speaker 2: And that's actually how I wonder whether he's going to

732
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Speaker 2: change tactics and whether he especially a picket line appearance

733
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Speaker 2: and all that, if he's asked about the wages and

734
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Speaker 2: in the story.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if he showed up in the picket line,

736
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Speaker 1: that would really be something extraordinary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it'd be a great thing to have

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Speaker 2: two presidents, both the opponents in the in the race,

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Speaker 2: endorsing like wage demands.

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Speaker 3: I can't that's bipartisanship. Yeah, we've always desired here, right.

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Speaker 1: And then but I mean, and then you see like

742
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Speaker 1: his National Labor Relations Board in the way that he

743
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Speaker 1: just chocked it full of I mean, he's been a

744
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Speaker 1: union buster his entire even in his business career, so

745
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Speaker 1: it's also dissonant with what his record was. But even

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Speaker 1: the symbology of him and Biden, if he were to

747
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Speaker 1: show up at the picket line, if he were to

748
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Speaker 1: change his rhetoric, these are all big ifs at this point.

749
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Speaker 1: You know, that would be a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 1: these auto exacts.

751
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Speaker 3: So we got to be watched. Yeah, let's watch it. Closely.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it would be an extraordinary moment

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Speaker 2: if something like that happened.

754
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Speaker 3: I mean, don't forget.

755
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Speaker 2: You know, we've had a couple of moments like this

756
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Speaker 2: which have showed us like how corrupt the system is.

757
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: Trump and Biden have endorsed the JD Vance Shared Brown

758
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Speaker 2: Rail Safety Bill. It's one of the only bills in

759
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Speaker 2: all in the entire modern Congress that has ever been

760
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Speaker 2: endorsed by the two sitting leaders of their party. And

761
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Speaker 2: it still has been unable to pass because of a

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Speaker 2: railway interests on the GOP side, which I think tells

763
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Speaker 2: you a lot about some of those Senators and some

764
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Speaker 2: of those House of Representatives people are. But the point

765
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Speaker 2: is that's very rare for stuff like that to happen. Now, look,

766
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Speaker 2: it hasn't passed, but you know, it's like one or

767
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Speaker 2: two votes, I think away from passage.

768
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Speaker 3: So if they were, as you said, if.

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Speaker 2: Trump were to join the picket line, and again it's

770
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Speaker 2: a big if, if you were to declare some sort

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Speaker 2: of support the autoworkers can't be or the auto the

772
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: bosses can't be, Like, man, maybe we should wait this out,

773
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: you know, because that could very much be on their

774
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: minds too, about changing Washington, change in regulatory regime. So

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Speaker 2: it could definitely actually put even more pressure on them

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Speaker 2: if it were to happen.

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Speaker 3: It would be interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the thing with Trump is he'll do

779
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: all of this symbolic stuff. You know, especially if you

780
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Speaker 1: go back to twenty sixteen, like the things he was

781
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Speaker 1: saying versus how he governed. You know, I did a

782
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Speaker 1: thing on like what happened with Lordstown. He went there

783
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: and was like, don't sell your homes, you know, in Youngstown,

784
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: like don't sell your homes or bringing it back. Of

785
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: course that all fell apart. So he'll do all the

786
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: symbolic stuff. However, I will say in a moment like this,

787
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Speaker 1: when you have a strike. And this is why it

788
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: was heartened by Biden's rhetoric, that sort of rhetoric coming

789
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Speaker 1: from very prominent officials or the President of the United States,

790
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Speaker 1: you're talking about a handful of auto executives who are

791
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Speaker 1: making these decisions about how this is going to go forward.

792
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Speaker 1: And so in that instance, the bully pulpit actually really

793
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: does matter. And the other place where it has mattered

794
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Speaker 1: is we have never in my lifetime had higher public

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Speaker 1: support for unions and striking workers. And so even though

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Speaker 1: Trump was a union buster as you know, a business

797
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: person and as a president, the fact that his rhetoric

798
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: was different on unions I think opened up a possibility

799
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Speaker 1: for the public, including Republicans, to be at least tacitly

800
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Speaker 1: in support of union power because you know, they didn't

801
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Speaker 1: see the slide of hand that like always saying this,

802
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: but then really what he's doing is union busting. So anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's it will be fascinating to watch how all of this.

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Speaker 3: It'll be fun. It'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, we continue to have a lot

806
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Speaker 1: going on over at CNBC, which I'm enjoying watching very much.

807
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: Jim Kramer has long been freaking out about Sean Fain

808
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: and the auto workers, et cetera, et cetera, which I've

809
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: been eating up. But CNBC hosted a very interesting debate

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Speaker 1: between a former National Labor Relationsport official who was backing

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Speaker 1: the workers in their demands and a Chamber of Commerce

812
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Speaker 1: official who was very much on the other side of this.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 3: To some of that.

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Speaker 5: But you point out about the booming profits, and my

816
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 5: question is, you know, past performance is no guarantee of

817
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Speaker 5: the future. Do you think the outlook is bright for

818
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 5: the Big three for booming process to continue from here on.

819
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 6: Well, I certainly think that the outlook will be brighter

820
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Speaker 6: if the companies treat their workers in a way that's fair.

821
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Speaker 6: And there are a lot of variables that will determine

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Speaker 6: the future of the auto sector. You know, let's remember

823
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Speaker 6: that labor costs are actually a very small part of

824
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Speaker 6: these companies' costs. When as you as you were talunted,

825
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 6: the union did make great concessions to save this industry.

826
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Speaker 6: The companies have increased CEO pay at a very rapid rate.

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Speaker 6: They have given out billions of dollars in stock buybacks.

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Speaker 7: It would be one thing if the focus were talking

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Speaker 7: about how we share in the future growth and profit

830
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Speaker 7: of the auto makers. But listen, the UAW is looking

831
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Speaker 7: for forty percent pay raise. They want workers to be

832
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Speaker 7: paid for five days when they only work for four.

833
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 7: They want to return to define benefit pension systems. That

834
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Speaker 7: is a recipe to put these companies into bankruptcy, and

835
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Speaker 7: that serves you no one interest. I think the question

836
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Speaker 7: we have to ask is why do they feel so emboldened?

837
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Speaker 7: This actually isn't the first time we've seen demands like this.

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Speaker 7: It's been the summer of strikes, and this is a

839
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Speaker 7: bit of a pattern, and unfortunately, I think it's being

840
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Speaker 7: fueled in part by the Biden administration and this push

841
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Speaker 7: for unionization at all costs.

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00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 6: And not hearing a lot of concern about increasing CEO pay,

843
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 6: increasing stock buybox.

844
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Speaker 3: But that's just optics.

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Speaker 5: If you if you take for twenty or twenty five

846
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Speaker 5: or thirty million, that's that's deminimous for what we're talking

847
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 5: about at the success of the coming. Maybe optically it

848
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 5: looks bad and you know, it's the politics of envy

849
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 5: and everything else, but you take a defined benefit to

850
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Speaker 5: put that back in thirty two hour work week, a

851
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 5: forty percent pay raise. I mean the CEO issue, that's

852
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,720
Speaker 5: that's just a talking point.

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00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: Why is it a talking point? I mean, he got

854
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Speaker 3: paid that amount of money. Is it yet? Is true

855
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Speaker 3: or is it not? The entire thing is just absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I also like the way the Chamber of Commerce guy

857
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Speaker 1: is accidently done only making the Biden administration sound really great.

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Speaker 1: It's like, why it's the summer of strikes. I think

859
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Speaker 1: Joe Biden has a lot to do with it, like

860
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Speaker 1: he's encouraging unionization at all costs. I mean, listen, I

861
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Speaker 1: support some of whi's been done by this administration, but

862
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Speaker 1: I would not frame it in quite that way. But

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I love that he's because you have to

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Speaker 1: even I mean, the CNBC's audience is a different kind

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Speaker 1: of animal. But in terms of general public, seventy five

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Speaker 1: percent of people support this strike, record breaking numbers of

867
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Speaker 1: people support unions. So when they hear like, oh, the

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Speaker 1: summer of strikes and it's Joe Biden's because of Joe

869
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Speaker 1: Biden and his policies, I don't think that that's landing

870
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Speaker 1: quite the way that he wants it to outside of

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Speaker 1: the CNBC audience and the anchor there.

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00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: It's also a very unfair thing that people do. I mean,

873
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: you and I know this. Whenever we host a debate

874
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: or something like that. You can't just rule out some

875
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: of the ground that somebody is arguing on, especially if

876
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 2: it's I mean, if you bring up a totally irrelevant point,

877
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: you could be like, okay, well.

878
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: But he's little. I mean, it's a very basic point.

879
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: It's like your pay has gone up by x amount

880
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: you have paid out why amount in shareholders effectively the

881
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: exact same cost of what this raise would be. So

882
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: instead of producing a dividend or paying out and buying

883
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: stock buybacks artificially in juice the price, why don't you

884
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: use that to pay the workers more and we can

885
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: make better cars and have a happier workforce and we

886
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: don't have any shutdown or strike. I mean, it's that's

887
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: not a talking point. That's a very basic line of argumentation.

888
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: It's why even investors and even people like Mark Cuban

889
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: have been come out against stock buybacks because they're like,

890
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: it's an irrelevant action that doesn't have anything to do

891
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 2: with the actual productive capacity of the company. It's why

892
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: they were even illegal for so many years in the US.

893
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: It's just financial engineering, and it's just like a kickback

894
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: to your executives. Two executives who, thanks to a Clinton

895
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: era loophole, like their compensation is largely in stock so

896
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: that they don't have to pay taxes on it, again

897
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: thanks to a Clinton era loophole. So that's how all

898
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: of that works. But he also the anchor made this

899
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: point at the beginning, like, oh, what you think you

900
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: think the Big three are going to do? Fine with

901
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 1: profits and you think past performance is indicative of future performance.

902
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: It's like you could always use that, you could use

903
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: us as an excuse also to not pay the CEO, Like, oh,

904
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: what you think that because things have been going well,

905
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 1: you think things are just going to continue to go well.

906
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: These workers have a track record that they can point

907
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: to of when things were bad for the automakers. Guess what,

908
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 1: they took a huge haircut, they took layoffs, they took

909
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: a big hit to their pensions, they got rid of

910
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: cost of living increases. And that's why these demands now

911
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: seemed so large. It's because they have been so screwed

912
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: and set back over years. And of course at the time,

913
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: the thought was, all right, you guys, bail us out now,

914
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: and that's what it was. It was a worker funded

915
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: bailout of these auto companies and their executives. You guys,

916
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: bail us out now, and we got you in the

917
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: future when we return to profitability. That never happened. And

918
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: so for them to then turn around and say, oh,

919
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: what you think now that they're profitable, they're just always

920
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: going to be profitable forever is such incredible garbage. But yeah,

921
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: I love to see the Chamber of Commerce guy trying

922
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: to spin this, and I mean even on CNBC his

923
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: points look pretty weak.

924
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

925
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it was a very foolish moment, I think for

926
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: all of them.

927
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 3: Indeed, all right, let's talk about housing.

928
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: This is always so important and one that we're always

929
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: trying to keep an eye on. And it's one of

930
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: the chief reasons why despite the fact that people like

931
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: Paul Krugman and are always like, oh, the economy, we're

932
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 2: making one of the mooset stunning recoveries.

933
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 3: Ever, and then inflation hit.

934
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: Numbers come out literally the next day showing that gas

935
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: is reaching nearly completely unaffordable heights, that grocery prices and

936
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: all of that remain flat and very high over the

937
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: last couple of years.

938
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: Well, this is probably the core.

939
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: It all comes back to cost of living and housing

940
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: and housing and shelter with being a key driver inflation

941
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years. Let's put this up

942
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 2: there on the screen where even the financial papers are

943
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: beginning to take notice. They say, Americans can barely afford

944
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: homes and that's a problem for Biden. Quote, housing affordability

945
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: has declined to the lowest level on record. But what

946
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: I thought that they did a great job of was

947
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: not just talking about it on the macro number, but

948
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: zooming in on a state like Wisconsin, where as they

949
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: accurately point out, they can show you very clearly that

950
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 2: in the city of Milwaukee, in the swing state of Wisconsin,

951
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: you have a huge drop in overall housing affordability, which

952
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: is making it nearly impossible to argue to the general

953
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 2: population there that things are going well. Their deterioration in

954
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: the rental market is quote more than almost any US

955
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: metro area in the year ending in July, according to

956
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 2: the National Association of Realtors, and one of the largest

957
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: increases in mortgage burdens amongst the biggest fifty markets. Crystal,

958
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: that's just the city of Milwaukee, and actually completely makes sense,

959
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: and it tracks with a lot of what we talked

960
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 2: about about how industrial Midwestern cities which have seen in

961
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: some cases a slight like net migration inflow and people

962
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: coming from the East and the West coast either moving

963
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: back home or moving to more not rural but like

964
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: second tier cities, I guess, as opposed to like the

965
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: bigger global cosmopolitan cities are driving up the overall market.

966
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 2: You're seeing a major drop in supply, largely because interest

967
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 2: rates are so high nobody wants to sell a major

968
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: lock up.

969
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: And in a city like Milwaukee.

970
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: There's a lot of poor people who live in Milwaukee,

971
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: and there's a lot of people who have to work

972
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: also in the service sector as well, and they're being

973
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: pushed out of the overall rental and housing economy. And

974
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: whenever you find your lease expiring and then you're going

975
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: out and you're looking, people are just finding complete sticker

976
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 2: shock at both of the options that they have and

977
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: having to make plans of like, yeah, maybe I got

978
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: a four percent raise, my rent is up by twenty

979
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: five percent. That's coming up, and the landlord wants like

980
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: first and last month's rent or something like that, So

981
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 2: you got to cough up like huge portions of cash

982
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: on top of moving costs and all. Then you're looking

983
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: at a multi thousand dollars transaction that a normal single

984
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: family is having to deal with.

985
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: That's the issue.

986
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: I mean, this issue is so central, and it is

987
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: hanging out there as an obvious place for a politician

988
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: who was savvy and wanted to actually gain some ground,

989
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: because this pain is at every level of the income

990
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: spectrum outside of the wealthy who are just fine houses

991
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: because they have houses. But when you pull gen z

992
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: the inability to buy a home, they cited that as

993
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: the second largest source of their unhappiness. This is a

994
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: massive issue in community after community across the country, and

995
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: you can understand why. I thought there was a really

996
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: good quote in here from a political science professor who said, listen,

997
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: this contributes to a general sense that the American dream

998
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: is out of reach and that the Democratic Party promises

999
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 1: a middle class American dream and it's failing. I think

1000
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: those voters are more likely to listen to the Republican Party.

1001
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: And it's not that Republicans have offered any answers on this.

1002
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: They have it. But if you're supposed to be the

1003
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: party as the Democrats, who are representing working class and

1004
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: middle class interests and under your watchist Joe Biden, that

1005
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: ability to even aspire to the classic American dream feels

1006
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 1: like it's falling away, as it does for many many people.

1007
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: Guess who's going to get the blame. I mean, it's

1008
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: really not rocket science. So there was a proposal in

1009
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: way back when they were talking about building back better

1010
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: to help to surge housing and help to try to

1011
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: improve the situation, but you really need an aggressive top

1012
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,720
Speaker 1: to bottom approach to deal with this, because this level

1013
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: of housing unaffordability is just an absolute crisis and really

1014
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: eats at the core of our own self conception as

1015
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: a nation, let alone anybody's ability to feel like they

1016
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: can ever have some sort of stable situation, stable middle

1017
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: class prosperity that they can pass forward to the case.

1018
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: We cover the fact, you know, for young people, for

1019
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: millennials trying to buy a house who are not that

1020
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: young at this point, they have to basically have mom

1021
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: and dad to write the down payment.

1022
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: The vast majority of them they're able to do so,

1023
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: at least in an affordable market. It's in a supermarket

1024
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 2: like DC New York, and others are going to their.

1025
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: Parents without payment, and so you need help for first

1026
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: time buyers in terms of that down payment. You need

1027
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: to do something about permanent capital coming in and swooping

1028
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: in and buying up these neighborhoods. This has become even

1029
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: why it was just looking in the numbers, it's become

1030
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,439
Speaker 1: even more of an issue in the high interest rate

1031
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: landscape because they're the ones who can they can pay

1032
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: all cash cash Yeah, So if you're coming in with

1033
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: an all cash offer and you've got someone else trying

1034
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: to scrape together figure out their mortgage situation, and it's

1035
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: wildly utaffordable, et cetera, Like, guess who's going to end

1036
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: up with those homes. This is a deliberate strategy at

1037
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: this point. So you've got to help first time home buyers.

1038
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: You've got to do something about permanent capital. You've got

1039
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: to make sure you're surging housing supply and not just

1040
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: leaving it to whatever the developers want to build, because

1041
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: guess that's what guys Guess what they want to build,

1042
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: luxury high rises, and that is not going to benefit

1043
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: the broad population that's looking for more affordable housing. So

1044
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: I think that this issue is so incredibly central and

1045
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: so wildly underestimated and under discussed in terms of our

1046
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: political and media.

1047
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: System undred percent. You can even see it a lot

1048
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: in the data is put this up there. For example,

1049
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: this is one of the latest polls that on the economy,

1050
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: it's like voters feel a little bit better about the economy,

1051
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: but very few credit Biden. Most Americans disapprove of the

1052
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: president's economic policy, posing a challenge to his re election

1053
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: and I think it's just over and over comes back

1054
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 2: to structural factors that our media, CPI and all of

1055
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 2: that they don't measure properly. They don't understand how disheartening

1056
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 2: it can be for people who are in that time

1057
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: of their lives where they feel as if they've done

1058
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 2: everything right, they follow all the right steps, and they

1059
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: still aren't able to. They quote and they look at

1060
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: several people here in the Milwaukee area who are like, yeah,

1061
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: the only reason I got a house is because half

1062
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: of the house has not even finished. Now I got

1063
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 2: to pay more for that house, and I have to

1064
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: spend the next several years modeling this when previously I

1065
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: could bought something which wasn't like that. And then over

1066
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: and over again, it's happening to people, even with families,

1067
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 2: people who thought that they were right on the cost

1068
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 2: of being able to you know, as you said, you know,

1069
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 2: if you're an elder millennial now you're looking your late

1070
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 2: thirties and early forties, and to not have the ability

1071
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: to buy a house is a major determination of generational wealth.

1072
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: So overall, yeah, I think this is going to be

1073
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: one of the biggest drags you think about car prices

1074
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 2: You've got average car new car costs fifty thousand dollars

1075
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: and you're financing it at what seven eight percent interest rate?

1076
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 2: We know that several states have average car payments of

1077
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 2: over one thousand dollars, largely people who are buying trucks

1078
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: and some sucks. I mean, all of that is just

1079
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: not going to keep up with where the wages are

1080
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: right now in this country.

1081
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's exactly right. And so there's all this

1082
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: political class confusion of like, oh, some of the numbers

1083
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: are better, and why aren't people feeling it. It's really

1084
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: not complicated, and I do, I do genuinely think that

1085
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: housing affordability is such a key part of why people

1086
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Speaker 1: do not feel like this economy is working for them whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: All right, we got an update for you coming out

1088
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: of Hollywood. So he previously announced, based on his announcement

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00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: that Bill Maher was bringing Real Time back in spite

1090
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Speaker 1: of the fact that the writer's strike in the actor strike,

1091
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Speaker 1: but with this one, the writer's strike is what's pertinent,

1092
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Speaker 1: is still ongoing. He said, Oh, I want to the monologue,

1093
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Speaker 1: I want to do the other scripted segments, but we

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Speaker 1: are going to bring it back at this point, well,

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Speaker 1: after a lot of what I can only presume is

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Speaker 1: a lot of public pressure and probably a lot of

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Speaker 1: guests who didn't really want to join him for the panel,

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Speaker 1: he has backtracked. Put this up on the screen. Here's

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00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: his announcement. He says, my decision to return to work

1100
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: was made when it seemed nothing was happening and there

1101
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: was no end in sight to the strike. Now that

1102
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Speaker 1: both sides have agreed to go back to the negotiating table,

1103
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to delay the return of real time for

1104
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: now and hope that they can finally get this done. Sager,

1105
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: what do you think about this about.

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00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 2: THEABE, Well, I'm asking you what is he talking about?

1107
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 2: What do you mean they've agreed? What has actually changed

1108
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 2: in the last week. I think the only thing has

1109
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: changed is back clash and Drew Barrymore. Yeah, and look,

1110
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: you and I track this stuff pretty closely. I haven't

1111
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: seen any major shift in the negotiating posture. I mean,

1112
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 2: there have been continuing talks throughout this entire thing. It's

1113
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: not like there's been nothing. There hasn't been substantive movements.

1114
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of speculation. I'm curious what you

1115
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 2: think if I had to guess. I think it's because

1116
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: he couldn't book very many guests, yeah, or because he

1117
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 2: received some sort of ultimatum from the people who do

1118
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Speaker 2: work for him. He said he loved his writers previously

1119
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Speaker 2: will pay you the clip in a little bit, and

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Speaker 2: they were like, Hey, if you do this, I'm never

1121
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Speaker 2: going to come work.

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Speaker 3: For you again.

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Speaker 1: The justification he gives here, I don't think has anything

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Speaker 1: to do with it. I mean, I think it's very

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Speaker 1: I honestly think it's very weasily like, Oh, it just

1126
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Speaker 1: happens that there was some untold breakthrough that now has

1127
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: completely changed my mind. I think. Closer to his actual

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Speaker 1: feelings about this whole situation were revealed when he was

1129
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: talking on his podcast to Jim Gaffigan. Let's recall what

1130
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: he said before all of this unfolded.

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Speaker 8: I feel for my writers. I love my writers. I'm

1132
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 8: one of my writers. But there's a big other side

1133
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 8: to it, and a lot of people are being hurt

1134
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 8: besides them, a lot of people who don't make as

1135
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Speaker 8: much money as them.

1136
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Speaker 1: In this.

1137
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Speaker 8: Bipartisan world we have, where you're just in one camp

1138
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 8: or the other. There's no in between. You're either for

1139
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 8: the strike, like they're fucking Shay Guavera out there, you know,

1140
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 8: like this is Caesar Chavez. Let us picking strike or

1141
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 8: you're with Trump. You know, like there's no different, there's

1142
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 8: only two camps, and it's much more complicated than that.

1143
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 8: What I find objectionable about the philosophy of the strike,

1144
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 8: it seems to be they have really morphed a long

1145
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 8: way from two thousand and seven strike, where they kind

1146
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 8: of believe that you're owed a living as a writer

1147
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 8: and you're not. This is show business, This is a

1148
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 8: make or mis league.

1149
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Speaker 1: They kind of believe you're owed a living as a

1150
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: writer and you're not. And so the original his original

1151
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: justification for why he was going back to the show

1152
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: was all framed very altruistically, like, oh, I'm looking out

1153
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: for the other members of the show staff, etc.

1154
00:53:59,640 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: Etc.

1155
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: But I think this is truer to his real thoughts

1156
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Speaker 1: on that.

1157
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: It's absolutely true to his thoughts. And we talked about

1158
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: this previously about what he means. I mean, look, yes,

1159
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: if you're an aspiring writer, sure you're not you know,

1160
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: owed a living. But if you're a professional writer in

1161
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: the game who is attached to a show that is

1162
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: making money, well, yeah, I think that you are o

1163
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: living as a writer, and I think that's what the

1164
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: entire strike is about. It's also about preserving said ability

1165
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 2: to continue to make a living in the future, to

1166
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Speaker 2: make sure that that doesn't go away. But I don't

1167
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 2: really know, you know at this point how it's going

1168
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 2: to end. I mean, look, I think it's a good

1169
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 2: thing that he didn't do it, especially, as I said

1170
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 2: at the time, his entire justification. He's like, the essence

1171
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 2: of the show is discussion. I'm like, well, dude, you're

1172
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: still doing a podcast. He got Tarantino on, you got

1173
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: Jim Gaffigan on. It's like, you can still do everything

1174
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: you want to do. As I understand it. HBO even

1175
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: pays him to do Club Random. So like, I don't

1176
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: think he's losing any money, you know, from do it,

1177
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Speaker 2: or at least he's not going completely broke as a

1178
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: result of this. Maybe hire him on your Club Random podcast.

1179
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: There's a lot of cameras in there for some reason.

1180
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Speaker 2: My point is just that you can continue to make

1181
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Speaker 2: things work and have your voice out there.

1182
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Speaker 3: At the time, I speculated.

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00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe he really wants his voice heard

1184
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Speaker 2: in the middle of the election, season, which I guess

1185
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 2: I could understand. But again, when you have the ability

1186
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Speaker 2: to continue to go on podcasts and do all this tour,

1187
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: he could probably do stand up and so many of

1188
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Speaker 2: these other things.

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Speaker 3: I just don't see why, like there's no point to.

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Speaker 2: Coming back to the show other than just directly, you know,

1191
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: disregarding some of those claims. Another reason why is he's

1192
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Speaker 2: actually a member of the Writer's Skill Yes, so it's

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Speaker 2: one of those where it's like, unlike Drew Barrymore, he

1194
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: literally is a member of the WGA, So for him

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Speaker 2: to go back is a totally in violation of his

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Speaker 2: own membership of the union.

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Speaker 1: It certainly seemed that way. It certainly would seem that way. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I had to guess what happened here, I do

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Speaker 1: think that there was probably like elite level pushback that

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Speaker 1: got through to him where they probably started the process

1201
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: of like reaching out to gas and seeing who they're

1202
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Speaker 1: going to get on the panel. And I'm sure there

1203
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Speaker 1: are plenty of you know, Republicans who don't support unions

1204
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: who were willing to come on, but they try to

1205
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: balance out the panel and have a diversity of viewpoints

1206
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Speaker 1: every single show. And I guarantee you every probably every

1207
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: Democrat or Liberal that they were reaching out to, was like, no,

1208
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be the one who goes out

1209
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: there and takes this heat from crossing a picket line.

1210
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Speaker 1: So I don't doubt that that's the case. I'm sure

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00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: he has other friends that are in the WGA that

1212
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: were probably like, dude, what the hell. I don't know

1213
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: what his own staff was saying to him or how

1214
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: they felt about it, so that could have been a

1215
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Speaker 1: factor as well. But then I also think watching what

1216
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: happened with Drew Barrymore and then the level of pushback

1217
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Speaker 1: he himself was getting directly from the public. When again,

1218
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: you know, we looked at the numbers yesterday. I think

1219
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 1: it's seventy two percent of the public supports the writers

1220
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: and only nineteen percent are on the side of the

1221
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: studio sects. And you basically by bringing your show back,

1222
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: you're you are taking the side of the studio execs.

1223
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: Like whether you however you want to frame in your head,

1224
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: that's the reality of what you're doing. And so I

1225
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: also think, you know, this is an instance where like

1226
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Speaker 1: online public bullying, shame pressure, et cetera. Worked out in

1227
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: the correct direction.

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Speaker 2: I've never done the show you have. Who are the

1229
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: audience members? Are they from LA?

1230
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Speaker 3: Are they not?

1231
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: Like?

1232
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:04,480
Speaker 3: Who are they exactly?

1233
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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because that's another thing I was thinking because of

1235
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: Drew Barrymore show. She was searching people's bags for wgah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, maybe they weren't even able to get

1237
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 3: audience or they were afraid that they were.

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Speaker 1: That could be I mean, I do think my assumption

1239
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: is that the audience is just yeah, drawn from people

1240
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: locally who you know, probably wait in some line to

1241
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: get a ticket or whatever. But I don't really know

1242
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: the details of how that all works out. But yeah,

1243
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: that could have been an issue as well. I think

1244
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: probably just the public heat and public pressure was too overwhelming,

1245
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: and we saw some other shows like I think that

1246
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Speaker 1: showed the talk they had originally announced they're coming back,

1247
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: and I think they also caved and back down because

1248
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: they none of these people wanted to, you know, end

1249
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: up like Drew Barrymore weeping and panicking and whatever was

1250
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: going on with her. So I think that's probably the

1251
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: bottom line. Okay, all right, we've got an extraordinary clip

1252
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: here who wanted to share with you from MSNBC A

1253
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: lot of elite conversation right now about like we want

1254
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: Joe Biden to drop on or at the very least,

1255
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: you should switch out the ticket and put somebody else

1256
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: in there for Kamala Harris, which by the way, is

1257
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 1: not happening. But nevertheless, host Jonathan cape Hart over there

1258
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: ATMSNBC asked if really there was something else going on

1259
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: here with the criticismicism of Kamala Harris, not the fact

1260
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: that she has extraordinarily low approval rating and an even

1261
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: worse candidate than Joe Biden for the general election. Know,

1262
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: there must be something else going on here. Take a

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00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: listen to his explanation to.

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Speaker 9: Your point, the criticisms of the vice president have been

1265
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 9: coming at her since she was picked by Joe Biden

1266
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 9: to be his running mate. My question is are they

1267
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 9: doing it not because they think she's incompetent, but because

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00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 9: they know her potential and they're afraid of her.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think you know because the vice

1270
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 10: president is in a historic role. A lot of times,

1271
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 10: you have a political press that is frankly white and male,

1272
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 10: and that is used to covering politicians that don't look

1273
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 10: like Vice President Harris and so this is leadership that

1274
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 10: is kind of hard for them to necessarily understand. This

1275
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 10: is not the vice president's role, is not something that traditionally.

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Speaker 3: We have paid a lot of attention too.

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Speaker 10: And yet because she is somebody that is doing this

1278
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 10: for the first time, that's somebody who is a black woman,

1279
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 10: we are that judge drop and increased scrutiny, I think

1280
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 10: to the role. And frankly, even you know, black voters

1281
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 10: have told me they wanted to see more of her.

1282
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 10: They wanted to see what she was doing, no matter.

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Speaker 3: What that was.

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Speaker 10: And so I think you've increasingly seen her showing up

1285
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 10: and doing the job. She's been more visible, You've seen

1286
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 10: her kind of honing her message, and so I think

1287
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 10: that is drawing more attention to her, especially as we

1288
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Speaker 10: had in the twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: I think her response there is funny because even she

1290
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: can't be like, yeah, that's totally.

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Speaker 2: She just pulls out the race card instead, because obviously

1292
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 2: that's something.

1293
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: But it was a tacit admission of like, no, I

1294
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: don't think that's a problem. I don't think the issue

1295
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: is that they're like actually secretly afraid of her. I

1296
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: don't think that's it.

1297
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Speaker 2: We have the data she's the least popular vice president

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01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 2: in modern history, more so than Dan Quayle. That actually

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Speaker 2: takes scale. And yeah, my guess is is not because

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Speaker 2: she's black. I think she's a terrible politician. It's very simple,

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Speaker 2: especially because we know that if you want to just

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Speaker 2: play it purely on race, all of that would have

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Speaker 2: applied to Barack Hussein Obama whenever he was the President

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Speaker 2: of the United States.

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Speaker 3: He got reelected folks.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, especially Also, we're talking about Democratic voters too, who

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Speaker 2: don't want her to run, and they prefer Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: So it's facetious and ridiculous on its face, the entire criticism,

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Speaker 2: but it is also with the most ridiculous excuse to say, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's because they are afraid of her.

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Speaker 3: No, she is not talented.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's not just us who're saying that the

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Speaker 2: Democratic leadership themselves won't even endorse her. We played that

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Speaker 2: clip of Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know if you saw this.

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Speaker 2: Immediately after that, Jamie Raskin was asked three separate times

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Speaker 2: on MSNBC, will you support Vice President Harris for Vice president?

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Speaker 2: He's like, well, that's what the president's decision is and

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Speaker 2: he's like, no.

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Speaker 3: No, no, do you think this is a good choice?

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Speaker 3: He's like, this is the president. These people are dumb,

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Speaker 3: you know, I mean.

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Speaker 2: And also there's a you know thing in Washington where

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Speaker 2: if you can say it and get away with it,

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Speaker 2: then you have no power. Like if she had any

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Speaker 2: power here and political power or even electoral power. Her

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Speaker 2: chief of staff calls up that chief and be like,

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Speaker 2: who do you think you are like talking this way?

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Speaker 2: You're going to issue a public apology and all of

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Speaker 2: that right now, And if they have any juice, they

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Speaker 2: will whenever you step out of line. So that the

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Speaker 2: fact that everyone can get away with it and then

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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsoen can upstage her consistently and then again not

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Speaker 2: face any real pushback in the actual coalition where it matters,

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Speaker 2: only shows us once again that she has such limited

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Speaker 2: power as a result of her own lack of skills.

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Speaker 2: She's got nobody to blame but herself, you know, for

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Speaker 2: making a fool out of herself for the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years.

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Speaker 1: So Gavin actually just did an in area. I was

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Speaker 1: looking for the specific quote where he was asked directly

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Speaker 1: about Kamala Harris and he was on the talking points

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Speaker 1: like absolutely, she's the best. And he was also asked

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Speaker 1: about Biden's age and he's like, I want to seize

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Speaker 1: the throw and there he's on the talking points. Man,

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Speaker 1: he knows exactly what he's doing in all of this

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Speaker 1: because he also is like, you know, wants to make

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Speaker 1: sure that they don't continue. Well, he actually loves these

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Speaker 1: articles that are like, oh, actually Gavin Newsom is angling

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four for future presidential run. But he

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Speaker 1: can't give any sort of actual nod to that because

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Speaker 1: you know, it will endanger his political position within the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party. So he was on the messaging, you know,

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Speaker 1: for what it's worth. But yeah, lots of Democratic politicians,

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Speaker 1: including Nancy Pelosi fellow California, who cannot just come out

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Speaker 1: and say, yes, I think Kamala Harris would be a

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Speaker 1: great president and is the best person to be vice president,

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Speaker 1: because it is it's difficult to argue that. And I

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Speaker 1: also would just remind Kamala Harrison was in the Democratic primary.

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Speaker 3: Yes time around.

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Speaker 1: She didn't do well. She didn't do well with any

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Speaker 1: type of voter, no matter what demographic you looked at,

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Speaker 1: she didn't do well. She had to drop out before

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Speaker 1: the voting even you know, began in her home state

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Speaker 1: because there was so much concern about how she would fare.

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Speaker 1: Her proof of rating is lower, consistently lower than Biden's.

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Speaker 1: She fares in terms of head to head matchup. She

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Speaker 1: consistently fares more poorly against Trump or any other Republican

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Speaker 1: than Joe Biden does. So I don't think the issue

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Speaker 1: is that they're actually secretly afraid of Yeah, that's right there,

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Speaker 1: you're throwing that out there.

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Speaker 3: It's also not the pressest fault that you're bad at

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Speaker 3: your job.

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Speaker 2: But of course that's a very convenient explanation, Crystal, what

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Speaker 2: do you take.

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Speaker 3: A look at well.

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Speaker 1: In a recent trove of documents called the Pandora Papers

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Speaker 1: was released revealing how the world deleite hid their many millions,

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Speaker 1: the countrymen of one nation were oddly missing among all

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Speaker 1: the documents showing offshore accounts, secret bank accounts, shady shell companies.

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Speaker 1: Few rich Americans had their secrets exposed, because, as it

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Speaker 1: turns out, if you're wealthy in America, you don't really

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01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: have to illegally hyde your ridges. Our bought off political

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01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: class has already provided ample loopholes and legally sanctioned tricks

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Speaker 1: to keep the rich from having to pay much in taxes, or,

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Speaker 1: in some instances, really anything at all. This situation was

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Speaker 1: made worse under the Trump administration when his tax cuts

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Speaker 1: for the rich open up new opportunities for the wealthy

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Speaker 1: to skate with low or no taxes. But the preservation

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Speaker 1: of low taxes for the rich has truly been a

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Speaker 1: bipartisan affair, and now a former Obama solicitor general is

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Speaker 1: behind a new push to guarantee that the ultra wealthy

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Speaker 1: never have to pay their fair share. That is, according

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Speaker 1: to reporting from our friends over at lever News, Neil

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Speaker 1: Katyal has filed an amicus brief with the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: on behalf of an anti tax organization attempting to use

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Speaker 1: an obscure corporate taxation case as a vehicle for permanently

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Speaker 1: banning wealth taxes. Now, this effort would block one of

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Speaker 1: the most promising ideas put forward in recent years to

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Speaker 1: make sure billionaires are taxed at anything approaching the rates

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Speaker 1: of ordinary Marria Mericans Kachiall has gained prominence in the

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Speaker 1: Trump years as a resistant liberal mainstay of MSNBC. Of course,

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Speaker 1: in spite of the factor, perhaps because of the fact

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Speaker 1: that his work has frequently entailed carrying water for large

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Speaker 1: corporations in some of the most indefensible cases. This is

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Speaker 1: the man, for example, who defended Nessle after they were

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Speaker 1: caught knowingly using products obtained through child slavery. He also

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Speaker 1: backed Johnson and Johnson's efforts to avoid liability when their

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01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: baby powder was chock full of cancer causing asbestos. Katchill's

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Speaker 1: also got some Supreme Court favors that he can trade

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Speaker 1: in now. During the Trump administration, he explicitly used his

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Speaker 1: Obama era liberal cred to slather praise on every one

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Speaker 1: of Trump Supreme Court nominees, providing them with critical Democratic

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Speaker 1: cover to aid their confirmation process. Kotchiall can be seen

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Speaker 1: here at Burning Man healthfully providing us all with an

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Speaker 1: avatar of soulis elitism for our enjoyment as festival goers

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01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: became miird in a pit of mud which left them

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Speaker 1: stranded for days. Sorry I had to include that. But

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Speaker 1: he is not alone in his anti wall tax crusade.

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Speaker 1: He has also joined in the anarchist brief by a

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Speaker 1: former Clinton era Democratic Senator John brow Now. Since leaving

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Speaker 1: the Senate, bro has become a highly paid lobbyist for

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Speaker 1: companies like Exonmobile, Boeing and billionaire Democratic megadone or James Simons.

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Speaker 1: Every one of these companies and certainly the billionaire Megadoner,

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01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: clearly have an interest in the future of this corporate

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Speaker 1: tax case and whether it can successfully be used to

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Speaker 1: rule a wealth tax unconstitutional. You can see how slimy

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Speaker 1: all of this is on its face. Katyall with his

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Speaker 1: cozy political relationships, mainstream media credibility, and willingness to just

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Speaker 1: shamelessly suck up to the justices and hopes that he

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Speaker 1: can favor trade down the road bro taking money from whoever, wherever,

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Speaker 1: and then coincidentally arguing their financial interests as part of

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Speaker 1: a dark money group that frames itself as a social

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Speaker 1: welfare organization in order to avoid any scrutiny or any transparency.

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Speaker 1: And the constitutional questions here is center around whether a

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Speaker 1: wealth tax can count as income under the sixteenth Amendment,

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Speaker 1: can unrealized gains count as quote unquote. Now, I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to bore you with a lot of technical analysis,

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01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: especially since the Supreme Court mostly just uses legal analysis

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Speaker 1: as a cover for doing whatever the hell they want

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01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,720
Speaker 1: to do. Based on their ideology, personal corruption, and financial interests.

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Speaker 1: But it is worth noting that the very first income

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Speaker 1: tax that passed after ratification of the sixteenth Amendment actually

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Speaker 1: included unrealized corporate earnings as part of income, So at

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Speaker 1: least at the time, they certainly thought income included unrealized games.

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Speaker 1: In other words, to put this in plane in English,

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Speaker 1: based on the definition and implementation of the sixteenth Amendment

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Speaker 1: at that time, a wealth tax should pose no constitutional

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Speaker 1: problem whatsoever. Now, the need for a billionaire tax is

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Speaker 1: obvious as a matter of revenue generation, basic fairness, and

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Speaker 1: also to try to coax our society back from the

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Speaker 1: brink of literal madness. Let's just say that wild inequality

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01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: with billionaires building new cities from scratch while most Americans

1454
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: can't even make the rent not exactly great for the

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Speaker 1: health of a nation. Currently, the wealthiest Americans pay for

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01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: far less in taxes than you are likely paying right now.

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Speaker 1: One report found that on average, the four hundred wealthiest

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Speaker 1: Americans pay an effective tax rate of eight point two percent.

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Speaker 1: And that's an average that means there are plenty who

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Speaker 1: are paying even less than this poultry sum. Now, the

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01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: wealth taxes come a long way from lefty fringe idea

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Speaker 1: to more mainstream acceptance. Even Joe Biden, hardly a class revolutionary,

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01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: embraced it as a means to potentially pay for the

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Speaker 1: now tabled build back better currently seems a complete impossibility

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Speaker 1: so long as Republicans hold the House and Joe Manchin

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Speaker 1: holds the Senate. But listen, few elections could potentially change everything,

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01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: which is exactly why an unholy alignance of corporate interest

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Speaker 1: and bipartisan goals are doing all that they can to

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Speaker 1: make sure that when it comes to taxing the rich,

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Speaker 1: nothing ever changes. And it is remarkable to me the

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Speaker 1: way that they are.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to hear my reaction to Crystal's monologue,

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Speaker 2: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

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Speaker 1: All right, saga, what are you looking at?

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Speaker 2: Well as anyone who watches this show knows, I care

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Speaker 2: a lot about dress code, much to the chagrin probably

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Speaker 2: of most of you. Now most of society also is

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Speaker 2: on your side at this point, and often I hear

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Speaker 2: some version.

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Speaker 3: Of why do you even care?

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01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 2: We have bigger problems to worry about, or is it

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01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 2: somehow elitists to think that dress code should be in

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01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 2: place for the most powerful people in America.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting one.

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Speaker 2: In this monologue, I'm going to try to answer those

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Speaker 2: questions and make a case for why you should care,

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Speaker 2: or at the very least, why you should think a

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01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 2: little bit harder about the clear trend away by elites

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Speaker 2: to dress down. The brujaja all started this week after

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Speaker 2: the news broke that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has

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Speaker 2: instructed the Sergeant of Arms to no longer enforce the

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Speaker 2: dress code on the floor of the United States Senate.

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Speaker 2: The new directive says that business attire for members is

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Speaker 2: no longer required in the chamber, in a nod to

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Speaker 2: Senator John Fetterman and Senator Christian Cinema, who have both

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Speaker 2: repeatedly violated the long standing policy. The details of the

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Speaker 2: policy hit home to something I have always tried to

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Speaker 2: underscore that when politicians dressed down in an official capacity,

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Speaker 2: they're not trying to relate to you.

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Speaker 3: They think they're better than you.

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Speaker 2: Till missing from the analysis is that it only applies

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Speaker 2: to senators on the floor. In other words, if you're

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01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 2: one of the clerks or one of the aids, or

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01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 2: a member of the press or a visitor, you will

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01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 2: still be required to wear a suit and a tie,

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01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: or if you're a woman, you will need closed toed

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Speaker 2: shoes and you have to cover your shoulders. The elites

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Speaker 2: can wear whatever they want and dressed like slobs. The

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Speaker 2: staff must abide by the precedent. So okay, you could say, then, well,

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Speaker 2: who cares? Then just let the staff wear whatever they want.

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Speaker 3: Why is the.

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Speaker 2: Senate floor so special anyways? Do that have a very

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01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 2: simple answer? The Senate floor, the House of Representatives, the

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Speaker 2: Oval Office. They are symbols not of an individual, but

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Speaker 2: of representative democracy itself.

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Speaker 3: It is not a boardroom. It is not just a

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01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 3: mere corporation.

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Speaker 2: It is, at its best, the place in which the

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01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 2: will of the people are supposed to be expressed. The

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01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 2: point of dress code on the Capitol or at the

1521
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 2: White House has always been an enduring idea. Those who

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Speaker 2: serve us must not do so for themselves, but must

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Speaker 2: know the work that they are doing is on our behalf. Now,

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 2: of course, so much of that already has been stripped

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Speaker 2: away in policy, But shall we take away even the symbol?

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Speaker 2: A symbol endures through time and through history. Is a

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Speaker 2: matter of seriousness to understand that when they walk on

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Speaker 2: the floor to make laws on our behalf, it is

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01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 2: a form of service rather than one just for their

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01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 2: own benefit. Even in a much lesser role like my

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01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 2: job here, the idea still applies. Yes, I have come

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01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 2: to enjoy wearing a suit daily. I don't just do

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01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 2: it though for myself. When I put it on in

1534
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 2: the morning, I think about the people who watch the

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Speaker 2: show all over the country, who I've met who say

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01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: that they feel as if it's a source that speaks

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01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: to their interests and their needs, that its respectability is

1538
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 2: one of the things that validates their lives and helps

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01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,720
Speaker 2: them share the show with other people. In time, I've

1540
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 2: come to think of it too out of respect that

1541
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 2: if you give us the grace of your time, which

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01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 2: is your most precious resource, it's the very least that

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01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,120
Speaker 2: I can do for you. You might have seen a

1544
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 2: recent trend on TikTok where women have been asking men

1545
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 2: in their lives how often do you think about the

1546
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 2: Roman Empire? Apparently many think of it daily. With exciting

1547
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 2: their thoughts about the empire is how it relates to

1548
01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 2: the origins of our democratic system and as a cautionary

1549
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: tale for how a Western empire can fall prey to

1550
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 2: its worst instincts and degenerate over time. Funnily enough, Roman

1551
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 2: history never was really my bag, which we can still

1552
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 2: talk about at another time, but apparently, since so many

1553
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 2: people are interested, here's something to think about. The Senate

1554
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 2: chamber itself was modeled by the Founders off of the

1555
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: Roman Senate. The original Senate, as designed by the Founders,

1556
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 2: did not feature directly elected senators, instead those appointed by

1557
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 2: state legislators. The idea was that these representatives, with longer

1558
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 2: term appointments would not always get caught up in a

1559
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 2: mob movement and could coolly deliberate whether laws from the

1560
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 2: House deserved passage. What would you know, though, The Roman

1561
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 2: Senate was actually governed by a very strict dress.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 2: You may have heard or have seen the Roman toga,

1564
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 2: but the senatorial toga itself was taken very very seriously.

1565
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 2: Roman senators had the right and the duty to where

1566
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,680
Speaker 2: the lattice clavis a toga with Tyrian purple stripe. The

1567
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: toga had to be worn during all ceremonial activity, which

1568
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 2: strict finds in place for not attending. Major social backlash

1569
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,920
Speaker 2: within Rome for those who did not hew to this

1570
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 2: dress code. In fact, Cicero, one of the heroes to

1571
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 2: the American founders and the ideal of a good senator were,

1572
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 2: actually wrote extensively about how important it was to huge

1573
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 2: dress code and would lambast his enemies as UnRoman slabs

1574
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 2: that did not dress appropriately. Contrary to what many people think,

1575
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 2: the toga was not the everyday ware of the Roman citizen.

1576
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 2: In private, they would don tunic's or more comfortable clothing,

1577
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 2: as we all do today. The standards, though, were in

1578
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: place for the senator and other Romans of high standing

1579
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,599
Speaker 2: to mark their civic identity as a Roman citizen. It

1580
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: was the embodiment of the individual and their service to

1581
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: a larger community. And funnily enough, it was right around

1582
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Speaker 2: the time of Emperor Augustus, the founder of the Roman Empire,

1583
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 2: who succeeded the Roman Republic, that dress standards of senators

1584
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: had fallen apart, so much so Augustus himself decreed that

1585
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Speaker 2: sloppy dress would no longer be tolerated, that the reclaiming

1586
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 2: Rome's glory, they must all return to the toga. So

1587
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Speaker 2: there you have it, an example from history itself of

1588
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,679
Speaker 2: the senate. Even when people start to dress like bums

1589
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,480
Speaker 2: and representative chambers. It is a sign of civilizational decline.

1590
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's not that serious, but maybe they were onto

1591
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 2: something that a high standard of dress in the Senate

1592
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 2: Chamber was set to remind people of their duty to

1593
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 2: their citizens. When you lose symbols, you lose yourself. When

1594
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 2: you lose yourself, you lose your government, just as the

1595
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Speaker 2: Romans did.

1596
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Speaker 3: So what do you think of some I ask?

1597
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Speaker 3: We'll see you later.