WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 111922 Jarrett Hobbs Beaten in Jail by Officers (Part 1) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.640 Welcome to another episode of Civic Cipher. This is your host. Rams' 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:05.560 job is Rams' job. 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:09.320 I am Qward. You are listening to Civic Cipher. 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.360 That's the truth. And here we are back in the studio. 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:14.680 Good to be back. 0:00:14.800 --> 0:00:20.360 Yeah, We've had an interesting couple of weeks that I'm 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.320 sure you may know something about. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:26.799 But you know what, at some point we will do 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:28.160 a full recap. 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.479 There's a lot of moving pieces right now, and I 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.320 know that everyone wants to know what it was like 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.040 and everything. We see all the questions online. We appreciate 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:41.320 that love and everyone's support. But you know, the story 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.120 will be ready to be told when it's ready, and 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.400 obviously we will be the ones to tell it. 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:47.080 So stay tuned. 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.800 But for now, we are going to revert to type, 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:51.720 back to business as usual, so stick around. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:53.160 Had a lot in store for you today. 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:57.400 We will be talking about a disturbing video that came 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.360 our way about a black man was jumped by a 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.280 group of police officers in a small prison cell. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:06.160 You may have seen the video. 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:11.400 It's it's very disturbing, so we're gonna unpack that a bit. 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:15.919 We're also going to talk about our current political client. 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:22.600 You know, we had an interesting midterm election season with 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:28.880 a lot more favorable outcomes in my opinion, but the 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:34.040 fact remains that this country is very divided, and in fact, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:41.080 it feels like we are subscribing to two different realities 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:45.039 and it's deeply troubling and deeply unsettling because you know, 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:47.880 this is supposed to be the United States of America 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:53.120 and it's never felt further from that in my lifetime. 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.160 So those and much more in store for you to 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.440 stick around for. 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Let's tell our stories, which is what 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.800 we've done here on Civic Cipher Q and myself, and 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:53.960 so we salute that as often as we can. So 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:56.160 shout out to Capital b News. Be sure to check 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.240 them out. We're going to love them now and forever. 0:03:58.440 --> 0:03:59.760 Now and forever. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:09.240 So, Q, you want to talk about the video for 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.320 our listeners. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.400 So I mean Ramsey said it, you know, back to form, 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:25.920 back to type, back to unfortunately normal. And you guys 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:28.560 who listen to our show, you guys have heard us 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:33.280 say that we kind of share the emotional and mental 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.800 burden of having to watch a lot of the videos 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.520 that are submitted to us, a lot of the videos 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:41.760 and stories that we come across, just because of the 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.440 trauma associate with them, how difficult the subject matter is. 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.160 By share, you mean you'll take one story to watch 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.640 one video, and then I'll take the next one so 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.200 that we don't become desensitized to trauma against black bodies. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:59.760 Yes, and we don't become overwhelmed emotionally. Please continue. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.640 However, with this video, we both had a chance to 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:16.040 look at it, and a lot of outlets, media outlets, newspapers, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.960 magazines would start this story with what the gentlemen did wrong? 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:21.960 To end up in the custody of the officers in 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.640 the first place. We believed that it's done with intent 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:31.080 to take away the empathy, the sympathy to dehumanize or 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:36.720 to remove the normal human reaction of caring for each 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.039 other or not wanting to see other people be harmed, 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.200 in order to kind of take that away. These stories 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.920 often start with them telling you how essentially deserving this 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.560 person was of what came next. This person hadn't done 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:53.960 such and such, they would not have been in jail 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:55.880 or prison or in the custody of the police in 0:05:55.920 --> 0:06:00.440 the first place. So everything that happened from there, they 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.360 kind of deserved it. Even if they don't say those words, 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.480 it's implied just by leading the story off with that exactly. 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.440 But what you will see in this video as a 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:14.200 man who was already in custody. We'll try to provide 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:15.839 a link so you guys can watch this video, because 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.880 maybe I might say the wrong number, but again, I 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.040 don't want us to argue over semantics. Five or six 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.360 officers is what I'm picturing in my head, because I'm 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:23.680 not looking at this video right now. 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:24.320 He's recall it. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.080 I got everything here, So five or six officers have 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:33.839 this man again, already in custody. It looks like attempting 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:39.239 to handcuff or further subdue again, already in custody, five 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.200 of them or six of them, one of him, and 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:47.719 then not ten seconds into this video that attempt turned 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.640 into one of them striking him, and then all of 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.679 them striking him repeatedly, one or two of them trying 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.880 to hold them, three or four of them continuing to 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:00.920 strike him. And then, as a normal living being, what 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:06.479 do him trying to defend and or protect himself, which, 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.720 as you can imagine, causes them to go even harder 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:15.240 with trying to harm him. And I'm sure in their head, yes, 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:19.520 he hit back. So now we can really go in. 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.640 And it's hard for me to watch any further than 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:28.400 that because you only see videos like this when the 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:35.040 person in custody looks like ramdis and I. 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.120 I want to ask you something, que please. I don't 0:07:36.240 --> 0:07:41.360 know if we've done this enough with these videos. We've 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.160 definitely done it, but I want to ask you something. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:48.040 All right, Pretend I don't know the answer. When you 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.640 watch that video, how did that make you feel? 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:57.080 There's multiple emotions? 0:07:57.120 --> 0:07:57.800 Please? Sure? 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:58.080 Right? 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:03.920 The initial reaction is shocked even still when I see 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:10.400 an officer wearing a badge punch a person not defending themselves, 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:16.320 not protecting themselves or anyone else, a person who's already 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:21.560 been apprehended, already subdued, already in jail, surrounded by again 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:27.160 half a dozen officers. It still shocks me. And maybe 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.560 after so many times, like you said, we should be 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.760 numb to it or expected, but I still don't. It 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.280 catches me off guard every time. And I've seen comments 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.600 where people are like, well, hey, what do you expect. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:41.800 I expect the person to have some dignity even if 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:46.600 they broke a law, because in this great country of ours, 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.320 you are not supposed to get beat over the head 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:55.720 for driving your car too fast. I don't know that 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.880 that's why this man was in custody. I'm just saying, 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:04.680 we don't have a legal system that says this person 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:06.640 broke a law. You guys should beat him up. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.319 Okay, all right, so let me jump in. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:15.560 I pulled the source material for this segment from the 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:20.000 Black Information Network, where I also did an in depth 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.320 analysis of this video. So please check out the Black 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.640 Information Network Daily podcast hosted by Yours Truly if you 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.680 want a little bit more in depth analysis of kind 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.040 of the wise, but I'll kind of share them in brief, 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.160 all right. An attorney is calling for a criminal investigation 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:42.240 after a video emerged of officers beating his client, the forty 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.120 one year old black man from North Carolina, in a 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.280 cell at a Georgia corrections facility. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:49.840 I'm forty years old. Hellder you q forty one? Okay? 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.320 Civil rights attorney Harry Daniels said in a news release 0:09:54.440 --> 0:10:00.120 that the footage shows his client, Jared Hobbs, being mercilessly beaten. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.719 I think that that's fair. That's an accurate description, mercilessly 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.760 beaten by officers at the Camden County Detention Center back 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.600 in September. So that's how many months? So it was in. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.160 November, you get it, all right? 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:17.520 That was according to CNN, Hobbs was alone when five officers, 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.760 four of whom appeared to be white, entered his cell. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:22.319 You know how big a cell is. 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.880 Right, Yes, a little tiny little box of the billion 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:30.280 for six people. So five officers, four of whom appeared 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.600 to be white, entered into a cell and began wrestling him, 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:37.080 according to the video obtained by CNN. The video appears 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.960 to show one officer grabbing Hops by the neck and 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.400 others hitting him on the head. A second video released 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.280 by attorneys shows officers pulling the forty one year old 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.160 black man out of the cell and wrestling him on 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.960 the ground, with at least one officer kicking Hops. All right, So, 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.600 if that were the whole story, which it isn't, I'm 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.160 going to share a little bit more that was the 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:06.560 whole story story. You might think if you are not 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:11.800 accustomed or not learned insofar as how black people are 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:15.520 treated by the criminal justice system in this country, that 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:19.760 might shock you a bit, right, But this is something 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:25.720 that is often the outcome when trauma's experienced, but it 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:26.680 doesn't result in death. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:27.440 Right. 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.320 There used to be a term in the early to 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:37.360 mid nineties that we refer to as police brutality. And 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:41.440 then after the militarization of the police, after Desert Storm 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:43.840 and you know all the other things, all the equipment 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.400 came back and police started getting tanks and helicopters and 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:50.920 all kind of stuff, bigger guns, and you know, just 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:59.680 more militarized police force. Police shootings started to take center 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:06.200 state in the media, and police brutality, police violence kind 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:11.319 of is a less sensationalized topic, right, But I think 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.480 it's important to focus on stories where a person doesn't 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.080 lose their life by a police shooting them. Because this 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:22.400 man and his family even you know, and you could 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.120 make the argument that his community, and I know that 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.400 people like me and you that see that and have 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.679 to watch and have to experience and then regurgitate it 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.360 so that we can speak out against it. You know, 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:38.200 there's a ripple effect to that problem, not just for him. 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:43.319 And you know, there's something about this is the human 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:45.400 being in me talking. There's something about seeing a police 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.800 shooting where it's like pop pop, person loses their life. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:53.439 It's awful, horrible, it's so sad. But because of how 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:59.320 quickly it happens, you don't really think of the suffering. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.520 You just think think of you know, it's kind of 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.720 an open, open and shut story. It's sad, it's tragic, 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.400 and the life is over, heart stops beating, consciousness goes 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.520 to whatever the next realm of existence is. Right, that 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.160 transition is incredibly sad. We deal with that regularly here. 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.440 But when you see the actual suffering and the pain 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.959 inflicted over and over again by every punch and every kick. 0:13:22.320 --> 0:13:25.240 And you see this black person with their black body 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:29.720 and their black hair just getting tossed around in a 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.920 very tiny closet sized space by a bunch of people. 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:40.320 You know, and when you see this person ultimately, you know, imagine, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.319 imagine if it just hear me out, please imagine if 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.800 this is happening to you. Okay, your back is against 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.480 three walls and then the only open wall there's five 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:55.559 men attacking it. Right, And as you know we talk 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:59.800 about this on the show, there is a panic response 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.240 built into every creature on this planet with a nervous system. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.560 It's called fight or flight, right, So it means your 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:15.840 your instincts will push you to either flee or to 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.760 engage physically. Right, this is all you got every every Like, 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:21.480 if you're a duck, that's what you got. 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.480 If you have a nervous system, if you're a fish, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:24.760 that's what you got. Okay. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.720 So you see after him getting tossed around, punched, you know, 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:32.000 beat up, that he tries to, you know, fight back, 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:37.800 and it doesn't look like anything other than what it is. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.080 A person who looks like he's about to die and 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:45.840 his flailing arms attempting at saving his own life. Okay, Now, 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:47.760 mind you, at that point in the video, we've seen it. 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.720 At that point in the video, he's already been getting 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:58.440 beat up on by that point, right. So for those 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:02.560 people who look at these things and say, well, he 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:07.600 shouldn't have hit back, there's nothing. There's nothing that you 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.880 can say because he already was getting hit and didn't 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.120 hit back, right. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.520 But not hitting back did not make the outcome better. 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.880 It's not like they were like, Okay, he's not quote 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.800 unquote resisting, he's not fighting back, so stop punching him. 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:21.160 Nope. 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.800 And then once he did, you can see them again 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:27.520 kind of get excited. 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.160 Because they're like, oh, now we're justified. Yeah, now we're justified. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:32.760 And you know how the story went right because they 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.440 wrote that he like assaulted them. I'll get to the 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:38.320 details in a second one. They wrote that he assaulted them. Wow, 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.440 when we know that they just barged into the cell. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.200 So so let's get to that. Let's get to that. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.480 So first, why did he end up in there in 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.200 the first place? Okay, and then. 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.720 We'll go to why did the officers approach him in 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:52.120 his cell? 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.360 Okay? So I'm glad you brought up that. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:04.280 He was brought in or a suspended license, guessing he 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.400 was pulled over for speeding. They found that he had 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:12.800 a suspended license, and the other charge says that he 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.000 had a drug possession okay, while you were speaking, and 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.840 then they said something from like twenty fourteen that he 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:19.560 was on probation. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:20.000 Okay. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.720 So, as you know, the media tries to paint this 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:29.240 sort of strange picture of like long standing criminal behavior 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.480 and charges, you know, trumped up charges, as you would say, Q, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.920 which is exceptionally unfair because you and I both know, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.080 and perhaps some of our listeners know about this infraction 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.400 that is valid in this country, and it's called being 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:43.800 black and nearby. 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.360 Yeah, okay for. 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.560 Those who are unfamiliar with the infraction of being black 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.440 and nearby, it's exactly what it sounds like. If you 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:55.000 were close enough, then melanated enough, you can get himmed 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:56.400 up in some stuff and they have nothing to do 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:56.800 with you. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:57.120 Right. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.280 We talk about this on the show quite a bit, 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:09.359 but suffice it to say that you know, anything can happen. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:14.040 You can get arrested for something, placed in jail. You 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:17.000 know your trials three four months out. You know you 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.000 can't bond out. You can't bail out because you don't 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.800 have the money to bail out. You might be innocent. 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:24.680 These are stories that we talk about on the show. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.000 I'm just walking you through this. So you take a 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.960 plea so you can leave. Say, if you plead guilty this, 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.040 it'll be time serving your back on the street. Now 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.800 you have a criminal record, even though you didn't do anything, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.600 just because you were poor and couldn't you know, pay 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:40.159 for a lawyer. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:41.720 We were just too close to whatever. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.719 Right, Now that you have this criminal history and you 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:47.560 have your own probation or whatever it is, you know, 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.720 whatever you This is one example. This happens in many 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.679 different variations. But now you have a criminal history. So 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.880 from twenty fourteen your probation, you managed to make it, 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.720 but almost nine years. It's almost a decade, right, And 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:06.600 then you get pulled over for speeding. I probably shouldn't 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:11.200 admit this on the radio, but I got a speeding ticket. Now, 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:16.480 I was driving a Corvette at the time, but I 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:18.959 was going fifty one in the forty. That's not speeding 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.320 to me, but it's speeding according to the law, right, 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.840 So technically that's breaking the law. Right, So you get 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:27.639 a speeding ticket. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.120 Any But this happens to everybody. 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.480 You know how easy it is to get a suspended 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:36.119 license and not even know about it. Okay, so a 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:39.120 suspended license, you get pulled over for speeding, and then 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.840 what's the elephant in the room. Possession of a drug. 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.120 Now they don't say what this drug is. This could 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.040 be a bottle of pills with someone else's name on it, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:49.760 that it was a my grandma's medicine, or it could 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:54.600 be you know, something more serious and sinister, if that's 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.719 where your brain goes. But the fact is that in 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.359 this country, we've talked about this one. In this country, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:08.600 we treat drugs. Then this wasn't intent to distribute. This 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.040 wasn't you know, trafficking drugs or anything like that. This 0:19:11.119 --> 0:19:12.040 was possession, right, you. 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:12.840 Said it trumped up? 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:14.240 What else can we add to it? 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:21.520 Exactly so, And as you know, they will find substances 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.200 in a car. This happened to us, will almost happen 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.919 to us. They will find a substance in a car 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.840 and it will register on their tester or their dog 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.280 will tell them something. They will just claim it as 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:35.080 a substance even if it doesn't exist, and then boom, 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.159 you're in handcuffs and jail. This happened to us in Mississippi, 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:38.480 or almost happened to us in Mississippi. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:40.359 No, it's happened to us. We didn't end up arrested. 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.440 But the officer said, with the period not a question mark, 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:45.400 the dog found something. 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:47.920 Yeah, exactly, And then they have testers that will test 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.840 stuff for any number of things, and if it registers anything, 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:51.600 you're under arrest. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.679 Right at some point of context, I just bought a 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:57.240 new car. Neither of us have ever sold or tried 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:02.080 or tried drugs, and we never drank alcohol. And the dog, 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:03.280 I guess we're lying. 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:07.480 Yeah, so this is this is this is a real thing. Now. 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:09.399 This was day one of the new car too, by 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:10.800 the way, so it's not like we had friends in 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.960 the car that may have had something. Nope, we picked 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:15.920 it up and we're driving. That's why we're in Mississippi. 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:16.960 We're driving back. 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.040 So yeah, we were driving from Florida back to UH 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.600 to the west coast and we got pulled over in 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:23.760 Mississippi at night. 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:25.000 It was pretty intense. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.560 Anyway, we've shared that story before, I'm sure we will again. 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:33.320 So possession right now, what I was going to say 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:38.879 is this country treats drugs like it's a criminal issue 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:40.080 and not like it's a health issue. 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:45.080 Yes, right, when you look like us there you go, right, 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.320 stuff a pandemic or an epidemic when it's the opi 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.040 order crisis and the people who are suffering the most 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:56.200 at the hands of this drug don't look like Ramses 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.800 and I you call it the war on drugs when 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:01.440 you look like Ramson. 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:06.600 I yeah, and just imagine why folks. 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:09.480 Might take drugs. 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.360 I share a little bit about this on the Black 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:15.360 Information Network Daily podcasts. But in brief, there's a study 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.520 that I'm familiar with about rats, Right, and they put 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.159 rats in a cage, and they put a water bottle 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:24.040 that had like some drugs in it, and then a 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.880 regular water bottle, and the rats overwhelmingly drank from the. 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:32.080 Water bottle that had the drugs in it. Right, But 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:33.119 the rats were in a cage. 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:36.119 When they took the rats out of the cage and 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.720 put them in a different environment where they had like 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:40.440 a wheel to run on, and they had a maze 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.959 to play in, and they had other rats to play with, 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.680 and they had you know, space to spread their legs 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:46.520 and do rat stuff. 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:51.359 They overwhelmingly just drank the water. They hardly ever touched 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:56.000 the drug water. And so again a health issue, not 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:58.399 a criminal issue. Those rats aren't criminals, you know what 0:21:58.400 --> 0:21:58.680 I mean. 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:02.080 Or I mean, if you want to go apples to apples, 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.040 then you have to say that the rats are criminals too, 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:06.400 and then you sound stupid. 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:11.960 Right, So this is. 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:15.159 Why he ends up in jail. Okay, Now, why do 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:16.640 the officers come to his cell? 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:17.639 Okay? 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:21.320 So according to five of them, according to the reports, 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:24.760 when we set a health issue, according to reports, he 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.320 was kicking the cell door and refusing to stop. 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:35.880 Okay. Now to me, that means there is a mental 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:41.360 health issue, right, And we've talked about this before too 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:49.080 on the show. The intersection of you know, the criminal 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:54.720 justice system and mental health issues is where we find 0:22:55.240 --> 0:22:59.959 a huge amount of problems with all of our communities. 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:01.119