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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. Today we are going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a freak accident that led to the

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Speaker 1: death of Sophia Hutchins, who is connected to Caitlin Jenner.

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Speaker 1: Ways you can get hurt on Amusement Rides, a man

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Speaker 1: who was awarded millions of dollars for getting injured on

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Speaker 1: a subway, a terrible story involving a mother who died

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Speaker 1: and her baby who was found luckily alive days later,

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Speaker 1: And what happens when city workers that so happen to

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Speaker 1: work at the Morgue go on strike. All that and

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Speaker 1: more on today's episode. Let's get started with this Sophia

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Speaker 1: Hutchins person that I'd never heard about until this week.

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Speaker 1: All right, that doesn't surprise me because you're not I

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Speaker 1: don't know about any exactly. So this shocking news broke

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Speaker 1: last week that Caitlyn Jenner's manager, Sophia Hutchins died after

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Speaker 1: she hit the back of another car while driving her

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Speaker 1: ATV would send her down a three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: foot ravine. Didn't we have a story last episode about

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Speaker 1: a guy getting getting attacked by a bear and pulled

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Speaker 1: into a ravine as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it seems like an absolutely horrific way

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Speaker 2: to die. Whether an animal's pulling you down there or

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Speaker 2: you're in a car accident that sends you down there,

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Speaker 2: neither way sounds good.

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Speaker 1: So three hundred and fifty feet nobody's surviving that, it

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Speaker 1: must have been kind of horrific injuries. And she was

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Speaker 1: pronounced dead at the scene, So like, who is this person?

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Speaker 1: Because now I have a lot of questions just because

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Speaker 1: wasn't Caitlyn Jenner involved in a fatal car accident years ago?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna talk about that in a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So I find it weird that the press keeps saying

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Speaker 2: a long time friend. This person's twenty nine years old,

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Speaker 2: you know, Like, it's not like Caitlyn's been friends with

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Speaker 2: her for thirty plus years. I would consider that a

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Speaker 1: You're like, they haven't. She hasn't even been alive long

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Speaker 1: enough to be a longtime friend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's maybe been friends. They've maybe been friends for

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Speaker 2: ten years. So like, I don't know why they keep

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Speaker 2: saying longtime friend. But Sofia was Caitlin's business manager, so

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Speaker 2: they first met when Caitlyn Jenner came out as trans

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Speaker 2: and then from there, Sophia Hutchins ended up moving in

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Speaker 2: with Caitlyn Jenner after graduating college and became her manager.

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Speaker 2: So she's been in that her manager. Yeah, so they're

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Speaker 2: not like there's been much speculation that they were in

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Speaker 2: a relationship, but they've always maintained that they're platonic.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, and this and this check's like twenty something,

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Speaker 1: twenty nine. They're friends and they live together.

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Speaker 2: Are like, okay, well they don't live together anymore, but

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Speaker 2: they did for a while, and Sofia's been the manager.

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Speaker 2: So right now, authorities are investigating speeding as a potential factor.

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Speaker 2: They also said they're awaiting toxicology. And then I wanted

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Speaker 2: to bring in the point, like you said earlier, that

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Speaker 2: Kitlyn Jenner was involved in a fatal car accident back

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Speaker 1: So what was the cause of that. I don't really

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Speaker 1: It's funny. I feel like that was that all over

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Speaker 1: or was that kind of buried?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, honestly, because I've been following the whole

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Speaker 2: Kardashian clan forever, so it's been in my world coming

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Speaker 2: up for all this time in the last ten years.

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Speaker 2: So I guess for a regular person as yourself that

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Speaker 2: doesn't follow pop culture as closely, this might have gotten

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Speaker 2: buried a little bit. In twenty fifteen, Kaitlyn Jenner was

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Speaker 2: involved in this crash where she hit a seven year

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Speaker 2: old woman's car, which then sent the woman's car into

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Speaker 2: ever pressed against Kaitlin for that. They couldn't prove that

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Speaker 2: that struck the woman like the other car. Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: so Kaitlyn Jenner had to end up paying about I

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Speaker 1: So this this friend was riding an ATV on Caitlin's

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Speaker 2: so possibly she lived nearby and instead of driving a car,

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Speaker 2: people drive ATVs. I don't know what I mean. We

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Speaker 1: So remember aunt Jane had. She used to have the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but people do. I mean people do here. So

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Speaker 1: Been like swarms of fifty kids on I just really

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Speaker 1: it's just weird and you don't really see them that often,

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Speaker 2: No, I know, that's all I was thinking too. And

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Speaker 2: can't imagine. But we're gonna find out soon what happened exactly.

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Speaker 2: But it's super sad, and I don't know if they're

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Speaker 2: the side. So we're gonna find out what happened sooner

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Speaker 2: or later, because obviously they're gonna do an investigation.

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Speaker 1: All right, So tell them about this story because that

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Speaker 1: will really this is an unexpected thing, but apparently it

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Speaker 2: So at kenny Wood, which is an amusement park in

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Speaker 1: So there's been a couple of rides at we go

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Speaker 1: on at Cannobles, for example, that there they say like,

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Speaker 1: I'll have my belt bag on and they're like, we

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Speaker 1: want that, and I'm like, no, I'm not leaving my

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Speaker 1: designer bag here in your little basket. And they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: then you're not going on the ride. They want your phone,

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Speaker 1: they want your glasses, which sucks because but I do

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Speaker 1: have a story about that. But for me, I can't

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Speaker 1: But that's why. And they did tell us once they

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Speaker 1: were just like, we had an incident. It wasn't at Cannobles.

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Speaker 1: I think it was when we went to Dutch Wonderland.

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Speaker 1: They told us that they had an incident once that

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Speaker 1: someone got hit with someone's cell phone. And now they're

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Speaker 2: I yeah, and like I see that the park is

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Speaker 2: saying that they have lockers, and they have cubbies at

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Speaker 1: Well, it just depends who's operating the ride, Like sometimes

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Speaker 1: people just blow. Like I'll tell you recently, within the

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Speaker 1: the Galaxy ride it Upcot, and I was wearing my

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Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this too, Why even go

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Speaker 1: Like honestly, if I knew that they were gonna fly

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Speaker 1: But so then I put my sunglasses on, but then

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Speaker 2: So is the person responsible for keeping the cell phone

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Speaker 1: Well, I've been on some rides where they're legit, like

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Speaker 1: everything needs to come out of your pocket, like they're

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Speaker 1: if they're if they're being responsible about it, they'll say,

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Speaker 1: you can't keep your phone in your pocket because that

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Speaker 1: And imagine getting hit with a I mean, like if

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Speaker 2: When I'm holding my phone above my face, when I'm

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Speaker 2: any force exactly, like imagine that that would like seriously

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Speaker 2: why the iPhones keep getting heavier with each new release.

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Speaker 1: Mine and I get like the super what's it called?

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Speaker 1: Plus the super big phone.

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Speaker 1: It's mine, like is a workout to hold it up.

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Speaker 1: It is really heavy, and I get all the storage, you.

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of amusement injuries, we have lots of posts

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Speaker 2: This story is horrific. Police were contacted after a woman

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Speaker 1: they're they're essential. They can't go on strike. So in

433
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Speaker 1: the sense of not showing up to work, they have

434
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Speaker 1: to show up to work no matter what. So I

435
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Speaker 1: thought I would think that a medical examiner employee, which

436
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Speaker 1: consists of the investigators. They're the ones that go to

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Speaker 1: the scenes and they're the ones that oftentimes transport the

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Speaker 1: bodies to the mark because if they find a decomposed person,

439
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Speaker 1: the investigator will go and the cops will go and

440
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Speaker 1: then they'll do their thing and then they leave. They're

441
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Speaker 1: not they're not going to put a decomposed body in

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Speaker 1: their police car like the medical examiner takes them to

443
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Speaker 1: the MORK. So you have that, you have the technicians

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Speaker 1: that are actually performing the autopsies, and secretaries, all these

445
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Speaker 1: people that work there. And it was like as soon

446
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Speaker 1: as it turned twelve oh one am on July first,

447
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: they all just like clocked out and left work, right,

448
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Speaker 1: So what happens like all of these bodies that are

449
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Speaker 1: accumulating every day, Like nobody's going to the scene. People

450
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Speaker 1: aren't sending bodies to the fridge. They're not getting in

451
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Speaker 1: a fridge in an adequate amount of time. It's freakin'

452
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Speaker 1: hot as hell here too, right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, That's all I was thinking about, was these bodies

454
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Speaker 2: not getting picked up and how awfully hot it has

455
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Speaker 2: been the last couple of weeks here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean, just like it's just this crazy

457
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Speaker 1: thing that's happening. So apparently the more refrigerator in Philadelphia

458
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Speaker 1: is only able to hold one hundred and sixty bodies

459
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Speaker 1: at maximum and rights of as of a couple days ago,

460
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Speaker 1: it had one hundred and eighty bodies and they were

461
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Speaker 1: like double decking bodies on trace, which like think about that,

462
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Speaker 1: like when you're dead, do you want to be?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, just can't they can't they use like

464
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Speaker 2: pens right across the street. Can't they be using their facility?

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Speaker 1: Well, fridge holds five people, right, Like I'm serious, I'm

466
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Speaker 1: just saying Jefferson's fridge holds five or six people. Like no,

467
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Speaker 1: there's just not enough fridges in the world to hold

468
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Speaker 1: and and like the thing is is like pen Jefferson

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Speaker 1: all that they have bodies of their own in their fridges,

470
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Speaker 1: Like there's just no, there's no space for them. They

471
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Speaker 1: just don't have the space. So finally, a couple of

472
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Speaker 1: days ago, they were like ordered, like, you have to

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Speaker 1: go back to work. Yeah, now, listen, I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this because I interned at the Medical

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Speaker 1: Examiner's Office in Philly, and that was like back in

476
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, right, and I loved it there.

477
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Speaker 1: I wanted to work there and stuff. And then when

478
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Speaker 1: I found out what they got paid and that this

479
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Speaker 1: was when this was a while ago, so they were

480
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Speaker 1: getting paid like thirty five thousand dollars a year, and

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Speaker 1: I was just like, yeah no. And now it's like

482
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Speaker 1: the medians a salary that they pay these people are

483
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Speaker 1: is forty six thousand dollars a year. This is why

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Speaker 1: these people are straight, because not only as Philadelphia just

485
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Speaker 1: like it's a it's a higher cost of living city

486
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Speaker 1: as it is, but forty six thousand dollars a year

487
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Speaker 1: to do the job that these people are doing is

488
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Speaker 1: an insult.

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Speaker 2: It is insulting.

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Speaker 1: It's such an insult, like their job is gross. They

491
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: need to do they have high responsibility, and you could

492
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Speaker 1: see that they weren't working for two days, and what

493
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: a shit show it's turning into. And it's like they

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Speaker 1: deserve to get paid a lot more money, and it's

495
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Speaker 1: insulting that they get paid such a low salary, Like

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Speaker 1: who can live, like a decent you can live off

497
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Speaker 1: of that, but like you're not really have any extra

498
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Speaker 1: money at all to do anything with your life, and

499
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Speaker 1: you have to work terrible hours, be on call, work

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the night in a smelly, dirty environment.

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Speaker 2: People.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like it's just it's just really insulting.

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Speaker 1: So I hope, I mean, I know that they had

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Speaker 1: to go back to work, and I hope that this

505
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Speaker 1: little like break shows just how important they are and

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Speaker 1: that they end up getting an increase in pay. Many

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Speaker 1: of the investigators and texts that I worked with while

508
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 1: I was there would oftentimes have to work so much

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Speaker 1: over time in order to just make anywhere near a

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Speaker 1: decent salary. But like, okay, so you make a decent salary,

511
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Speaker 1: but you're also working, you know, sixty hours a week,

512
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Speaker 1: what kind of quality of life do you have. I

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Speaker 1: just think that they've always at least in Philadelphia, they

514
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Speaker 1: always notoriously have paid so so low. I mean, forty

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Speaker 1: six thousand dollars a year, I feel like is a

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Speaker 1: price that people are getting paid at Starbucks close to

517
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Speaker 1: at this point.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say that. And it's like crazy because

519
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: these people are dealing with not only death, but some

520
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: of the most horrific death you're ever gonna see. It's

521
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Speaker 2: not like, not that dying in any capacity is good,

522
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Speaker 2: but at the hospital, you know, it's like more natural

523
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 2: and you see things like that some of these people

524
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Speaker 2: are coming in with out heads, or it's people that

525
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: were horrifically murdered or people in horrific accidents. So you

526
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: have to.

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Speaker 1: See the most hard composition. And the summer is is awful.

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Speaker 1: The volume at the Federal the Philadelphia Medical Examiner's office

529
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Speaker 1: is awful. I mean, the hours are awful. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's it's a lot, it's a very and and it's depressed.

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Speaker 1: It's depressing. You're in a room that I haven't been

532
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: to the new Morgue, so I don't know how it's

533
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: set up, but the one when I interned there was

534
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: like you're in the basement, there's no windows, it smells

535
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: like death. It's literally it literally smells like death, like

536
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: it's and you're just down there. You don't even you

537
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: can't even tell what time of day it is because

538
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: there's no lights, and just case after case after case

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00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: you're expected to do, and you know, you just sit

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00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: there and you get mad because that's like a taxpayer

541
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Speaker 1: funded job. But then you're like, you see all the

542
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: money they blow on other stuff, and you're like, you

543
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: really need these people are essential employees and they need

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Speaker 1: to get paid a lot more.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's an extra few when you think

546
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Speaker 2: of the newly proposed sixer stadium and then you see

547
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 2: everything going on, so I think that's like a lot

548
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: erge coming from that, Yeah, exactly.

549
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Speaker 1: And it's just it's just so insulting in some of

550
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: the things that they've said are like, oh, well, we'll

551
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: give a three percent raise every year, and it's just like, no, dude,

552
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: you need to give them like an extra twenty thousand

553
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: dollars a year millimum. I mean think about this, like

554
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: every single time you go food shopping, it's a couple

555
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, Like it adds up, and it's just like

556
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: when when other places are paying so high. Why not

557
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Speaker 1: just go be a Barisa and just and right, like

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Speaker 1: not that that job's not essential, because trust me, when

559
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: I get a good job at Starbucks.

560
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: Or good yeah, but Starbucks has pretty great benefits apparently,

561
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: so like it might be better to work there. Then

562
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: deal with this if we're depressing, exactly, you have to

563
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: be exposed to horrific things all day long.

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Speaker 1: And I know for a fact too that that other

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Speaker 1: medical examiner's offices pay decent salaries. So it's and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure anybody that's working there is calling their friends that

567
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: are in Baltimore, New York City and just other towns

568
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: and finding out how much their investigators make and their

569
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: technicians make, and and like they're just like I'm not

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00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: doing it anymore, and I don't. I don't blame them,

571
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Speaker 1: like it's it's I've been there, trust me, like it's

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Speaker 1: it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's not cool, no, And then it trickles down because

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Speaker 2: it's like it's not cool for the workers, and then

575
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: they're doing what they feel is right, and then it's

576
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Speaker 2: not fair for the families of the deceased people. It's

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Speaker 2: not fair.

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Speaker 1: It's not There could be a trickle down effect to that. Too,

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Speaker 1: because now you're talking about like people decomposing and that

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00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: could be a problem for funerals. There's just all sorts

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Speaker 1: of things. And then the other thing you have to

582
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: take into consideration is that the doctors, so the actual

583
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: medical examiners that work there, they're not union employees, so

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00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: they're there at work, but they there's only a couple

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00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: of them, Like, they can't do all the work. They

586
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Speaker 1: need help. They can't do it. They can't do it all.

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Speaker 1: So it's just like it's not cool to the doctors either.

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00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: And then you're putting all this pressure on the chief

589
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Speaker 1: who's now in charge of the whole thing, who's going

590
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: to get blamed for every single thing that goes wrong,

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Speaker 1: even though it's not her fault.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because how could mistakes not happen when situations like this, and.

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Speaker 1: Not to mention like if you're not you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what their volume is at this point,

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Speaker 1: but when I was a student there, it was like

596
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Speaker 1: there was anywhere from ten to twenty bodies coming in

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Speaker 1: there every single day. So then if you're not doing

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Speaker 1: them every day, then all of a sudden, the next

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Speaker 1: day you have twenty to forty bodies and then the

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Speaker 1: next day, you know, you have thirty to sixty bodies, Like,

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Speaker 1: how do you ever even catch up? It's a lot.

602
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of work, and it's it's not

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Speaker 1: cool for everyone involved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now they're a court ordered to go back

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Speaker 2: to work on Thursday. So I'm sure everybody's miserable. That's there. Yeah,

606
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: well exactly, So I don't know this really sucks, but

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Speaker 2: I mean this is what happens sometimes, I guess. Welcome

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