Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: So we're here, Yeah, we're here at the hotel in Carmel,
Speaker 1: and everybody's we've taken over this. It's very cute, very
Speaker 1: cute seaside hotel. And there's like, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: thirty rooms or something, and we have all of.
Speaker 2: Them because there's it has that nice feeling of kind
Speaker 2: of like what you guys do with your wedding.
Speaker 3: You took over the property and everybody's together.
Speaker 1: So Dean and Kayler are here with us, and Lauren
Speaker 1: and I have it's a lovely room, love this hotel.
Speaker 1: But our room is when I say it's above the lobby,
Speaker 1: you walk up some stairs behind the desk and that's
Speaker 1: our room.
Speaker 3: Dean, did you have a mustache yesterday?
Speaker 4: Were you talking about No, I've always had an exposed
Speaker 4: upper lap last night?
Speaker 1: Did you save your must that's so random? Did you
Speaker 1: shave last night or this morning?
Speaker 5: I don't know what you guys are talking about. I've
Speaker 5: always looked like this.
Speaker 1: When you look child, you look so young.
Speaker 4: I feel like you guys are making like a weird
Speaker 4: joke that I'm not in on right now.
Speaker 3: I know for sure, you.
Speaker 1: Rode in a golf car with him for seven hours yesterday.
Speaker 1: So now I'm like, I feel like a real jerk,
Speaker 1: and I don't.
Speaker 2: The reason that I know is because he was telling
Speaker 2: me step by step how when he pulls on his
Speaker 2: mustache hairs it helps him sneeze.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 5: I really get in there for the nose.
Speaker 1: Why do you need the sneeze?
Speaker 5: Why would you want to make I love sneezing. It's
Speaker 5: one of my favorite things to do. I'm serious.
Speaker 4: Sneezing is it's it's it's a fun experience.
Speaker 3: You're sneezing on purpose.
Speaker 4: So you'll just grab a nose hair and pull its
Speaker 4: just and sometimes I'll do this because you're born. If
Speaker 4: you get it just right, you can make yourself sneez
Speaker 4: Whenever you try to.
Speaker 1: Do it right now, you're honestly you just want to sneeze.
Speaker 5: No, we're not going to get there too long.
Speaker 2: Don't belive that sneezes are like one tenth of mon orgas.
Speaker 5: Kind of them rapidly, real quick. You're on cloud nine.
Speaker 1: So last night we went to Sadies to see the
Speaker 1: uh the picture, the infamous now picture hanging over the toilet,
Speaker 1: and we left I don't around midnight or something like that,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden we can hear everything going
Speaker 1: on in the little lobby, and it's a it's kind
Speaker 1: of an old house, and so we can hear everything.
Speaker 1: If someone like clears their throat, we can hear it down.
Speaker 2: I don't want to clarify, I'm being honest. We could
Speaker 2: not understand anything.
Speaker 3: Anyone was saying. It's just you sneezed. We probably would
Speaker 3: have distinguished.
Speaker 1: I can specifically hear people. So I immediately heard Sarah Hyland,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, Sarah, and wells are downstairs. I
Speaker 1: didn't know who else, but I could hear there was
Speaker 1: a group of people, and I was kind of in
Speaker 1: and out of consciousness, and I was like around two
Speaker 1: in the morning. I still heard the people talking downstairs
Speaker 1: in the lobby, and I'm like, and the last words
Speaker 1: I heard when you guys, and now I know it
Speaker 1: was you guys came in Sarah saying whatever you have
Speaker 1: open it. That was in the beginning.
Speaker 3: We heard there say if any type of wine.
Speaker 1: We were like, and then so how long did you
Speaker 1: guys stay up?
Speaker 4: Well, not me, I went back by myself from the book.
Speaker 4: I left Sadies by myself, thinking they were going to
Speaker 4: be shortly up behind me. But then I go to bed,
Speaker 4: wake up, and then she's just next to me. It's
Speaker 4: actually really funny. I'll like Kaylen answered that question a second.
Speaker 4: But she goes to bed at eight thirty pm every
Speaker 4: single night at home, She's always in bed before nine,
Speaker 4: and then whenever she gets together with Sarah, she's staying
Speaker 4: up until three four am.
Speaker 1: That's like Ben and Jess. Ben and Jester like that.
Speaker 1: Ben's like, yeah, we go to bed at like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so you're normally like an eight thirty person.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Me and Jester are the same that way. But
Speaker 7: when I'm with Sarah it's the only I don't really
Speaker 7: like to drink a lot, and let like, yeah, unless
Speaker 7: you have.
Speaker 1: A partner, what is it about Sarah that brings it
Speaker 1: out in you?
Speaker 7: In same with Jess, Me and Jess were like, the
Speaker 7: only time we ever get drunk is when we were
Speaker 7: with Sarah, and I think I might still be a
Speaker 7: little drunk.
Speaker 1: She's your muse.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just doing the math on if you
Speaker 2: went to bed after three, it's it's nine am.
Speaker 3: Now you're not okaying.
Speaker 4: Great, and then you guys feeling great to what you
Speaker 4: guys were saying earlier too. We're on the bottom floor,
Speaker 4: so whoever is in the room above us was stomping
Speaker 4: around at like five thirty am the time.
Speaker 5: Yes, it was a rough.
Speaker 3: That was Sarah Wells just getting home.
Speaker 1: This has been fun because again, you know, you can
Speaker 1: stay in a big hotel and that's lovely, but we're
Speaker 1: staying at the La Petite Palis and really this really
Speaker 1: is like an old house that wraps around a courtyard,
Speaker 1: and so if you go get a cup of coffee
Speaker 1: in the small little lobby, if you hear whatever, you're
Speaker 1: like you're bumping into each other. And anytime we step
Speaker 1: out of our rooms, we're running it. So it's like
Speaker 1: we are a big fit at this family getaway, which
Speaker 1: is kind of cool because we sat this morning and
Speaker 1: we did not intend to do this, but all of
Speaker 1: a sudden we had breakfast with Tarctic and Bob Guiney
Speaker 1: and the Firestone showed up, and then Justin came down
Speaker 1: with his computer, and then.
Speaker 2: Dean shaved his mustache in front of everybody, which I'm
Speaker 2: glad we were all this.
Speaker 4: I still don't know if that if you're making a
Speaker 4: joke about me or not or or what's going on
Speaker 4: with that?
Speaker 7: But go you keep talking because photo where they're like,
Speaker 7: does he have a mustache? Does?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, so Caylen, you stayed up till three am? Do
Speaker 2: you do what happens when my girlfriends and I have
Speaker 2: a group trip together.
Speaker 1: It's such a bushy mustache?
Speaker 5: You guys got me.
Speaker 3: Why did you shave it?
Speaker 4: I just felt like, uh like looking fresh, you know,
Speaker 4: changing it up a little bit.
Speaker 7: It does this all the time.
Speaker 1: By the way, it's just like I said, I'll speak
Speaker 1: for Kailin.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you preferred on mustache.
Speaker 1: You have a handsome face, handsome.
Speaker 5: Wow, you guys are too nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like no mustache.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was actually just going through random old pictures from
Speaker 4: when I was like in my twenties and stuff, and
Speaker 4: it's I was. We were talking about this the other
Speaker 4: day too. Definitely gotten less attractive, and it's annoying looking
Speaker 4: at you because you've gotten way. I don't want to
Speaker 4: say more handsome, because you've always been handsome, but you,
Speaker 4: like I said the other day, you look twenty years younger.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: That's so nice. I think he was leaving the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, stress a lot of way. Yeah, what about like,
Speaker 1: can you do scruff?
Speaker 5: Nope?
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's why I do the mustache because I
Speaker 4: got like a weird go tea.
Speaker 1: I could see you a scruff. I bet you'd look good.
Speaker 4: I wish well, you remember I don't know if you
Speaker 4: remember my father. He has a full beard down like
Speaker 4: a button. Yeah, and my brothers can go crow full.
Speaker 5: Beards, but not me.
Speaker 7: Meems like a patchy guy.
Speaker 5: I'm a patchy guy.
Speaker 2: I think your dad will probably go down as the
Speaker 2: most unforgetted dad dad on the show.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah, well good for good for him, good
Speaker 4: for that. That's probably last time I talked to him.
Speaker 4: Actually was on the show really right right around then. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but now we live.
Speaker 7: In the same town as it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so do you talk to him or Sammer?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 4: I I was at my friend's dad's sixtieth birthday party
Speaker 4: their day and hit one of my friend's moms was like,
Speaker 4: you should go in and like try to mend the
Speaker 4: bridge with your father, and I was like, I really
Speaker 4: don't want to, but you're probably right I should do that.
Speaker 4: So one of these days I'm going to stop in
Speaker 4: and say how I do it. I guess he owns
Speaker 4: like a health food store in the town that we
Speaker 4: live in, so he'll be easy to find.
Speaker 3: Well, you can do it for I mean, I gotta
Speaker 3: be honest.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with a family estrangement. I really don't like
Speaker 2: when people are like, you have to you have to
Speaker 2: do it. You only have one dad. It's like, cool,
Speaker 2: I'm his kid. Like it's always he being to me
Speaker 2: and like I'm his only Well you have brothers.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I have a friend who doesn't speak to
Speaker 2: her mom and I know that she struggles with because
Speaker 2: that's always people's response. And it's like, but that's the parents.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't they mend this fence with me? So I don't
Speaker 2: like when people.
Speaker 1: Say always brings up a good point, and because she
Speaker 1: always puts things in perspective for me, being my wise
Speaker 1: little buddha, and she's like, well, think about your kids.
Speaker 1: Would you do this to your kids? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh no, it's not no way. There's no way I
Speaker 1: would let Josh or Taylor ever be a strange for me,
Speaker 1: I just there's no way. Even if they try, we'll
Speaker 1: let them. I will find you. So you're right, it's
Speaker 1: not on you, and I would just say what I
Speaker 1: was going to say is not you owe it to
Speaker 1: yourself or whatever. It's like, if you want to, if
Speaker 1: it's something that you think would give you closure, make
Speaker 1: you happy, give you whatever in your soul, great do it.
Speaker 1: If not, you don't owe it to anybody.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's tough.
Speaker 4: Well because Kaylen's biological dad is kind of the same way,
Speaker 4: Like we don't really talk to either of them.
Speaker 5: But it's tough.
Speaker 4: I like when he's dead in twenty years or whatever
Speaker 4: it is, you know, I like, well, I regret not
Speaker 4: having a relationship with him maybe a little bit.
Speaker 1: So that's the point, right, It's that's the thing. It's
Speaker 1: it's only on you. How do you think you will
Speaker 1: feel what will be? You know, if you feel like
Speaker 1: that's going to leave a big hole and now I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have great regret, then do it.
Speaker 2: It's I think it's whatever is going to give you peace.
Speaker 2: I am an advocate for that, like your personal piece.
Speaker 2: So if you feel like there's something unsaid that you
Speaker 2: need to say, I have another friend who stopped talking
Speaker 2: to her dad.
Speaker 3: This is like more.
Speaker 2: Common than people think, by the way, I'm like, let
Speaker 2: normalize it, but it is. Yeah, And she told us
Speaker 2: on our recent girls trip and she said, you know,
Speaker 2: I really came to the realization. She's like, and her
Speaker 2: mom still talks to the parents are divorce, but she
Speaker 2: was like, my mom wants me to make up with him.
Speaker 2: And my mom kept telling me, you know, if he
Speaker 2: dies tomorrow, you're going to regret it, and she goes,
Speaker 2: I realized I would not. She's like, it was not
Speaker 2: a great dad to me, and if he died tomorrow,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't there wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: But society puts that on you. I mean, so, I mean,
Speaker 1: do you feel that pressure, Klin with your family, Like
Speaker 1: society puts this pressure of like you owe it to
Speaker 1: yourself and them to do this and to have this
Speaker 1: relationship that, by the way, it's like, why would I
Speaker 1: enter into a relationship I know is toxic. I know
Speaker 1: his I'm getting nothing from this.
Speaker 4: Same with my older brothers just had babies and the
Speaker 4: one of them is expecting their second child. No words
Speaker 4: for my dad. You know, I don't even know if
Speaker 4: he has their phone numbers anymore.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see and I can't I just like Lauren says,
Speaker 1: She's like, could you fathom I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: couldn't fathom Josher Taylor having a baby and not being
Speaker 1: there right, so kicked me out of the room.
Speaker 2: Well, I know you guys don't have kids, but if
Speaker 2: you thought about that, like if you have kids, I'm
Speaker 2: just curious because I would imagine this is something that
Speaker 2: has bonded you to, like you relate to each other
Speaker 2: over it. And I would imagine also that even though
Speaker 2: you don't have kids, but you can picture now if
Speaker 2: you had kids, you would not be this way.
Speaker 4: Well, one of the reasons it was always kind of
Speaker 4: anti kid was because I didn't want to be like
Speaker 4: my dad, and so I didn't want to like have
Speaker 4: to put my kids through that. But then my brothers
Speaker 4: had their kids, and they're fantastic fathers, like the best,
Speaker 4: most loving dads of all time, and so that's kind
Speaker 4: of like reinvigorated my spark to want to have kids.
Speaker 4: So it was weird seeing them have their children is
Speaker 4: what inspired me to want to eventually have our own,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And just like the relationship that you have with
Speaker 7: your dad, Like I know Dean's going to be such
Speaker 7: an amazing dad the way he is, like as as
Speaker 7: an uncle right now, but also in spite of your
Speaker 7: dad kind of any Yeah.
Speaker 5: That's how my brothers do it.
Speaker 4: They're like, every time I think about what it takes
Speaker 4: to be a good dad, I just do the opposite
Speaker 4: of what our dad did.
Speaker 5: Or like that.
Speaker 1: You know, Laura again, Laura and I have these conversations
Speaker 1: a lot. You are not your dad, yeah, and you
Speaker 1: are not your mom either one of you. Right, it's
Speaker 1: you know, they don't They don't even necessarily define who
Speaker 1: you are. You know, you get things from them, you
Speaker 1: learn things from them, but that doesn't mean you are them.
Speaker 1: My kids are not me, Like, they're not identical to
Speaker 1: me in any way, either one of them. They're both
Speaker 1: incredible human beings, but they're not me and so and
Speaker 1: I'm not my mom or dad and so I guess
Speaker 1: to you, I mean, I can tell I agree with Kaylin.
Speaker 1: You are such a loving, caring, doting person. You have that,
Speaker 1: you have empathy, you have grace, you have love. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know your dad. I know you're not him.
Speaker 1: You know, I agree, I know you're going to be
Speaker 1: a good father. I could just I could you with
Speaker 1: the kid a boy or girl and being such a great.
Speaker 5: Dand yeah, I really want a girl, is what I was.
Speaker 1: What I girl, That's funny, I guess I was like,
Speaker 1: I could see you being a great girl girl dad?
Speaker 3: Yeah, why is that?
Speaker 5: I just know how much of a I was when
Speaker 5: I was a kid and still boys.
Speaker 3: For that reason, Yeah, I was crazy. Yeah, wow you too,
Speaker 3: really you know, because weird. I Please don't take this
Speaker 3: in the wrong way at all. But I was thinking,
Speaker 3: first of all, I.
Speaker 2: Told Kalen yesterday, I'm like, wow, that is like so
Speaker 2: different than I remember him being a couple of years ago.
Speaker 4: And when we did the interview on the carpet in
Speaker 4: Las Vegas. I'm too different than.
Speaker 2: That, totally housed and I remember being like, do you
Speaker 2: want this interview to go live?
Speaker 3: And you were like, yes, yes I do. And I was.
Speaker 2: Saying he was like okay, So like but by the way,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't pretend like I didn't really know you then
Speaker 2: I'd interviewed you.
Speaker 3: But so it's spending this couple of days with you.
Speaker 2: I said to Kleen last night, like, I mean, wow,
Speaker 2: I would imagine it's the Kleen influence because two minutes
Speaker 2: ago and Chris asked you a question, you kind of
Speaker 2: explained it and then turned Keilan said.
Speaker 3: I guess like, like, right, honey, that's what we think.
Speaker 3: But obviously I've grown up on your own.
Speaker 2: But I love the influence you guys have on each other,
Speaker 2: And just from interviewing you both briefly from the show
Speaker 2: at that time, I never would have shipped this, And
Speaker 2: do you guys look back and think like whoa? But
Speaker 2: also it's surprising how much you have in common and
Speaker 2: like like did you see that from the beginning or
Speaker 2: did it take a minute to realize WHOA? We kind
Speaker 2: of are really similar and we work well together.
Speaker 7: It took a minute. I mean I had a crush
Speaker 7: on him. It's been like eight years since he was
Speaker 7: on the show. I slid into his DMS eight plus
Speaker 7: years ago and.
Speaker 5: Eight years ago seven.
Speaker 7: Yes, I always had the biggest crush on him, But
Speaker 7: then knowing him and being on Paradise, I'm like, obviously,
Speaker 7: I'm so infatuated, infatuated with him and and love being
Speaker 7: around him, but I never thought it would work. And
Speaker 7: then he dumbed me, and then I was like, you know,
Speaker 7: the first few months of our relationship, terrified he's going
Speaker 7: to dump me again.
Speaker 5: And I tried to get to you jump out of
Speaker 5: your plane and you.
Speaker 3: Said no, yeah, Flare's that as well.
Speaker 1: There are couples in this franchise and people always say,
Speaker 1: you know, did you know or could you see it?
Speaker 1: You know, like a Jayden Tanner that was a layup right.
Speaker 1: You know we all watched that day one, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: show's over, you guys, same thing. It's not that I
Speaker 1: wouldn't ship it. I just couldn't imagine it. I couldn't
Speaker 1: see it. I'm like, it was like oil and water.
Speaker 1: I'm like, how is this going to work? And it's
Speaker 1: not that I knew either one of you that well,
Speaker 1: it was just my thirty thousand foot level. But that's
Speaker 1: one of the beautiful things about love and even back
Speaker 1: in the day when the show was so pure and good,
Speaker 1: is that things like this could happen. And I absolutely
Speaker 1: the more I've got to know you guys and spend time,
Speaker 1: and I even enjoyed just hanging out with Dean yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've got to know you a
Speaker 1: lot more just in this weekend, which I've really enjoyed
Speaker 1: is just you guys are such a love and I
Speaker 1: love the way y'all talk about each other. And I
Speaker 1: said this to Dean. We did a podcast with with Ben.
Speaker 1: I've always appreciated it. And where were we when we
Speaker 1: had a conversation. We were all standing together, the three
Speaker 1: of us, and you were the way you were talking
Speaker 1: about Dean. I was like, where is he? And You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's in Tanzania or he's in you gotta whatever.
Speaker 4: And I was like, I was in Pakistan.
Speaker 3: Where were we Talking's wedding?
Speaker 1: Okay, we're well, that's right where Wells and Sarah's wedding.
Speaker 1: And that's when that was the first time I even
Speaker 1: got to kind of dive in with you on this relationship.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I left thinking I really appreciate
Speaker 1: how a she stood up for him in an appreciative
Speaker 1: way of like she just said, her husband's in Pakistan.
Speaker 1: That's insane. He shouldn't be in Pakistan. But she was
Speaker 1: really excited for you, and and there was a lot
Speaker 1: of love in your voice and the way you were
Speaker 1: talking about Dean. And I said this to Dean. I
Speaker 1: was like, I really like the way she loves him
Speaker 1: because she's not trying to change him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that trip was actually really funny because I was
Speaker 4: hiking through the mountains in Pakistan and we were so isolated,
Speaker 4: and Pakistan's already kind of isolated.
Speaker 1: But anybody have that on their twenty twenty four car,
Speaker 1: I'll take hiking in Pakistan for five hundred.
Speaker 5: It was like a twelve day hike through like you know,
Speaker 5: one hundred plus.
Speaker 7: Mile find you someone died on that hike, and.
Speaker 4: Someone died on that We passed by a corpse, which
Speaker 4: was pretty morbid to talk about more morbidness. But on
Speaker 4: like the second day or something, I was talking to
Speaker 4: the trip organizer and he was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: that's why I made everyone get insurance and halivac insurance
Speaker 4: like all this stuff.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh, yeah, we were we supposed
Speaker 5: to get that.
Speaker 4: He goes, he goes, yeah, you didn't get that, and
Speaker 4: he was like got so mad at me. He's like, no,
Speaker 4: you need to have these things in order for us
Speaker 4: to continue on. And we're like, you know, we're three
Speaker 4: days up into the mountains at this point, and I
Speaker 4: like get on the satellite phone and I text Kyler
Speaker 4: real quick and I was like, hey, I just got
Speaker 4: in a lot of trouble with the with the guy.
Speaker 4: Will you please get me like flight for flight for
Speaker 4: life insurance and something else, and she was like twenty
Speaker 4: minutes there. She was like, yeah, done, here's your insurance
Speaker 4: information and everything like that.
Speaker 1: Wow, I took out a ten million dollar policy enjoy Pakistan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't feel like you need to make it pack.
Speaker 5: I mean, in hindsight, did it I need it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I didn't. So we could have saved ourselves on a
Speaker 5: hundred bucks and I've gotten it.
Speaker 2: But it feels worthy. One hundred feels worthy. Yeah, more
Speaker 2: expensive than that. Actually, it feels good considering you want to.
Speaker 3: Have kids and stuff.
Speaker 1: You knew what you were taking on. And this is
Speaker 1: this is interesting because a lot of women would not
Speaker 1: do this. It's the action, the adventure. Falling in love
Speaker 1: with that is easy. Living with it is not because
Speaker 1: then the reality of oh crap, he really does live
Speaker 1: in a van he sets in. But I like that
Speaker 1: you have always embraced that, because a lot of women
Speaker 1: would be like, great, I loved what I fell in
Speaker 1: love with, but now I want to domesticate that and
Speaker 1: change that.
Speaker 2: Have you always embraced it or were there any moments
Speaker 2: where you're like, I don't know, I'm.
Speaker 7: Like waiting for Dean to cut it and be like, oh,
Speaker 7: sometimes I try to just rein it in a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, well that's actually healthy, Yeah, because he probably does
Speaker 1: need to be rained in a little bit.
Speaker 4: I'd probably go crazy marrying someone that was exactly like me.
Speaker 4: So it's nice to have like the both all the
Speaker 4: bases covered.
Speaker 7: I guess insane, like I've changed so much and grown
Speaker 7: so much being married to him or being with him
Speaker 7: for five years. Like I was so high strung and
Speaker 7: such a pageant girl and still am a little high stuck.
Speaker 7: But but I'm working on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah you got a pageant girl getting insurance?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: You really one big yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, okay, I'm doing like the math on your
Speaker 2: like I we would have kids. I want to have
Speaker 2: all girls. I'm hiking in Pakistan. Have you guys talked
Speaker 2: about like, will you reel it in it all? If
Speaker 2: for when you have kids, are you going to continue
Speaker 2: the adventures?
Speaker 4: We're already kind of relling it in now because we
Speaker 4: just bought this house in Colorado.
Speaker 1: Set down roots, Yeah, set down some congratulations, by the way,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. It's great.
Speaker 4: It was a little out of my budget personally, so
Speaker 4: now we're like tapering it back a little bit.
Speaker 1: It always will be. Yeah, you know, that's my advice to anybody.
Speaker 1: It's like, just know that your house, whatever you're buying,
Speaker 1: it's going to be whatever the number you had in mind.
Speaker 1: It's more, but it's okay, Like it is like, you'll
Speaker 1: make it work. It's like, and I'm not saying live
Speaker 1: beyond your means, but it always is. Yeah, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: even if you said I want the million dollar house,
Speaker 1: it's one point five.
Speaker 3: Well, Ran was just saying he wash. She had spent
Speaker 3: one hundred dollars on life insure, so I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's low.
Speaker 4: It's don't like spending money on these Yeah, Pakistan, I guess.
Speaker 3: We can have the kids in this van. Come on.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well I'm interested if your economics will chicks it.
Speaker 1: You know, again, you and I have that conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I ever told you. You know,
Speaker 1: Dean and I discussed this the other night is when
Speaker 1: we were on the beach at Paradise. It was like
Speaker 1: three or four in the morning during right before a
Speaker 1: rose ceremony and men Dean looked at me, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm standing there in my suit, just dead tired, and
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, it was monsoon season. The
Speaker 1: crabs are crawling all over us. And he's like, essentially,
Speaker 1: why are you here, like if you like you have
Speaker 1: enough money to retire, right, And I was like yeah, technically,
Speaker 1: and he's like what are you doing here? Like why
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just walk away? And he's like, I
Speaker 1: would be gone. And so it was just funny, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's a question that's stuck with me and
Speaker 1: it's lived with me. And we talked in depth about that.
Speaker 3: Wow, the effect.
Speaker 1: But what I'm curious of soubertin effect is if if
Speaker 1: your thoughts have changed about living life on the edge
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, I'll make this much money as an influencer,
Speaker 1: and i have enough money to kind of live for
Speaker 1: a year. I'll go to Pakistan. Now I'll kind of
Speaker 1: shut it down. Have you thought more about, Okay, if
Speaker 1: I want to bring another bring a child into this
Speaker 1: world and build this family, if like, okay, now I
Speaker 1: need to kind of build a nest egg, I need
Speaker 1: to for.
Speaker 4: Sure, Well, I always think that the influencing thing is temporary,
Speaker 4: and I think it'd be crazy to assume otherwise, you know,
Speaker 4: So now we you see, to figure out what we're
Speaker 4: going to do once that well runs dry. I'm just
Speaker 4: saying yes to every deal right now and trying to
Speaker 4: like collect enough money to at least let us skirt
Speaker 4: by for a while. But it's so it's the root
Speaker 4: of one hundred percent of my stress.
Speaker 7: Finances, and like, going back to insurance, my stress is
Speaker 7: coming from like because we have to buy our own
Speaker 7: insurance and pay for it, and our deductible is seventeen
Speaker 7: thousand dollars and monthly is so expensive. So I'm like,
Speaker 7: when I have to go to all these doctors appointments,
Speaker 7: what the heck are we going to do?
Speaker 3: That's my stress right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, finances are always it is. It's it's a huge burden.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: You said something the other day and not an argument
Speaker 3: we were having. I don't know what the right word.
Speaker 5: Is, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you said something like.
Speaker 2: You don't understand the like you you were like, I've
Speaker 2: always like been the caretaker, Like he was like, I've
Speaker 2: always had the stress of the caretaking. And when I
Speaker 2: really stopped and thought about it, I was like yeah,
Speaker 2: I have to own that he totally has like in
Speaker 2: your first marriage, in our relationship, now you have your kids,
Speaker 2: you help take care of your parents like other people.
Speaker 2: And I've really tried to take that in and not
Speaker 2: to like stereotype.
Speaker 3: But I do think still in a lot of relationships.
Speaker 2: I mean I've talked to my friends about it, Like
Speaker 2: I think men feel that a lot, or whoever the
Speaker 2: breadwinner is.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if like.
Speaker 2: Do you guys feel like you share that, like you
Speaker 2: just said, it's the source of all your stress?
Speaker 3: Is this this is big right now for you? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if our relationship, like I would be
Speaker 4: the you and your relationship, you know, like she's the
Speaker 4: red winner. She does all of the she does all
Speaker 4: the planning and the logistics, and she takes care of everything.
Speaker 5: And I'm just kind of like, yeah, sure, why not.
Speaker 8: So I don't know if that necessarily Well, there's one, Yeah,
Speaker 8: there's one who's like Chris is totally the person who's
Speaker 8: looking at the bills and looking at the insurance and
Speaker 8: what we told you guys this the other day as
Speaker 8: we're waiting for our uber, I thought the other day
Speaker 8: I thought he told me that he got a life
Speaker 8: insurance policy on me.
Speaker 1: Lauren just learned. She thought I had been going at
Speaker 1: Great Links to get in before we got married, to
Speaker 1: get insurance policy on her. And then we're standing at
Speaker 1: the airport with Dean and Kaylin and she's talking about this,
Speaker 1: and I said, Babe, you realize that insurance policy I
Speaker 1: just got is on me. It's if something happens to me,
Speaker 1: if I die.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you.
Speaker 5: What sparked that for you to get that?
Speaker 1: Well, because because my kids are taken care of, you know, again,
Speaker 1: it's as Lauren said, I've since you know, I college,
Speaker 1: I've I've lived alone. I was on my own and
Speaker 1: I've paid for everything. So whether it was rent turns
Speaker 1: into mortgage and insurance and credit, you name it, it's
Speaker 1: always just been on my plate. And so you know,
Speaker 1: it's always been I wouldn't say a burden, it's just life, right.
Speaker 1: And so once I had kids, you know, I established
Speaker 1: accounts for them and insurance and stuff, and especially once
Speaker 1: I got divorced, once I became a single dad, it
Speaker 1: was very important because I was still taking care of
Speaker 1: my ex and taking care of my kids and trying
Speaker 1: to take care of myself and my you know, other
Speaker 1: parts of my family, and so I had to kind
Speaker 1: of move things around and make sure that no matter
Speaker 1: what happens to my ex and I, my kids are
Speaker 1: always taking care of because they were still young. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm back when we got divorced. There nine
Speaker 1: and eleven years.
Speaker 3: Old, nonhing, do you know them?
Speaker 5: Then? I met him when.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty young, It's seven eight years ago?
Speaker 3: Long have you been doing so?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 5: I know. When Kelen said eight years ago, I was like,
Speaker 5: are you.
Speaker 3: Sure, Dean and I are over here? Like what year
Speaker 3: is that? You guys are like, so the insurance okay,
Speaker 3: but yeah, and so you know there have to be
Speaker 3: better Dean.
Speaker 1: We precipitated this to answer your question, Dean, was when I,
Speaker 1: you know, added Lauren to my family and was to
Speaker 1: my life. That part of that to me is the
Speaker 1: fiscal responsibility of taking care of her. And I know
Speaker 1: that she doesn't need to be taken care of, like
Speaker 1: you know, she she's fine on her own. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, like, that's part of my responsibility, I feel,
Speaker 1: And so if something happens to me, you know, I've
Speaker 1: brought her into my life and I want her to
Speaker 1: be able to keep that life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Sadeine, I have this idea that if you
Speaker 2: want to take Chris hiking, yes in Pakistan.
Speaker 3: I think like super fun, super safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was weird because she's like, do you want
Speaker 1: to go to Korea? And she's like, no, North Korea?
Speaker 5: What Yah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, just go hiking. It's fine, it's beautiful,
Speaker 1: untouched resources.
Speaker 2: The really idiotic thing is that when I've now realized
Speaker 2: when you said I got a life insurance policy on
Speaker 2: like for you, I thought it was on me, but
Speaker 2: that also it would benefit us, Like I don't you
Speaker 2: know what, I didn't understand what I've been.
Speaker 1: Going to all these doctors appointments. I had to get
Speaker 1: blood tests. You know, you have to do all the
Speaker 1: stuff so you can get preferred or super preferred and
Speaker 1: all that, and so yeah, I got a clean bill
Speaker 1: of health. And I've literally been talking to her while
Speaker 1: I've been going to these appointments, like she was on
Speaker 1: the road and she's like, what are you doing. I said,
Speaker 1: I'm getting my blood taken. I'm doing all this stuff
Speaker 1: for the policy, and I'm like, why would that have
Speaker 1: Why would I have given blood for you? But anyway,
Speaker 1: long story short anyway. So yeah, but that's part of
Speaker 1: the that's part of the responsibility, and it is it's
Speaker 1: something that is it's not joyful, it's not fun. But
Speaker 1: like Laura and I sat down, it's like I wanted
Speaker 1: her to see the picture of this is our life
Speaker 1: like and it's important to have those conversations, especially when
Speaker 1: you guys I don't know if y'all did ever had
Speaker 1: that discussion of babe, are you in debt? Like how
Speaker 1: much debt are you caring? What are you bringing to
Speaker 1: the table, and you know, like here's my accounts. Like
Speaker 1: I sat with Lauren, i walked her through all my
Speaker 1: bank accounts. I'm like, here's the money, here's what we have,
Speaker 1: here's what and so we.
Speaker 4: Have a pretty good and we even when we first
Speaker 4: to dating, we opened like a joint checking account together
Speaker 4: within like a few months yea. And then we were
Speaker 4: always kind of pretty open and transparent about our money.
Speaker 7: And the main thing was just getting Deane's credit up. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but we built that pretty good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, your credit score.
Speaker 4: I think when I went on Bachelor at my credit
Speaker 4: score was like five twenty.
Speaker 1: It was like five. Yeah, that's really low.
Speaker 5: It was almost as low as it possibly could have been.
Speaker 7: And then the past five years we've been working on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I would ye fifty, which is pretty good.
Speaker 3: Wow, she just knows it work.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she knows it and hers is like eight
Speaker 4: hundred something. We've always been pretty transparent with that and
Speaker 4: it's nice. Like I always wonder too if if times
Speaker 4: have weren't good, Like, you know, we haven't had to
Speaker 4: stress about money very much, you know, like I said,
Speaker 4: it is the root of a lot of my stress.
Speaker 4: But it is still like we are very fortunate with
Speaker 4: what we have and I can't imagine eventually when things
Speaker 4: might go south if they do, hopefully they don't, but
Speaker 4: like it's just it's just another layer wrinkle to add
Speaker 4: into it, to to get upset with each other about Well,
Speaker 4: now it's been good. Actually, she wanted to buy the
Speaker 4: new iPhone lately, and I just keep telling her, like,
Speaker 4: we don't need you don't need the new iPhone phone.
Speaker 4: So yeah, we still have some like small arguments about that.
Speaker 4: She doesn't like that I had my golf membership in
Speaker 4: l A still, so we need to iron some stuff out.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 7: When we got married, we're like we're fully like finances
Speaker 7: are completely blended now, and so it's like we need
Speaker 7: to be super honest about what we're spending.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm just now remembering your entire trajectory
Speaker 2: on the show, and I just remember that you were
Speaker 2: the f boy on Paradise. I'm not exaggerating. I fully
Speaker 2: forgot it until like just a few minutes ago.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was looking at you.
Speaker 4: Now, I was the F boy. I think I made
Speaker 4: F boys like trendy.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Elon Gale, is you for that show?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, I also didn't know that story about
Speaker 2: Dean being your financial advisor on the beach.
Speaker 5: He was no more like the life advisor. I would
Speaker 5: say it was very literal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of rude people, Ben Higgins just walked in.
Speaker 1: We was talking about how you stole the toast last
Speaker 1: night and just buried me.
Speaker 2: And upset Chris so much that he had to go
Speaker 2: procure a dessert and come forth from the kitchen singing.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that was nice.
Speaker 2: His ego was smashed so hard that he was like,
Speaker 2: I need to perform a musical number now.
Speaker 1: No, but yeah, And actually I was a little bummed
Speaker 1: to hear that Paradise has allegedly been postponed, I think
Speaker 1: is the official way they're saying it is they're postponing
Speaker 1: it for a year or canceling it.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I did hear some whispers.
Speaker 1: Obviously, either way, that's not It's never good in TV.
Speaker 1: We all know this business well enough that when you know,
Speaker 1: they don't postpone shows that are doing great. But but
Speaker 1: I was bummed to hear that.
Speaker 4: As a fan of that show. Not so much the
Speaker 4: main show. It's just because I don't really watch reality
Speaker 4: television a lot. It has seemed to have gotten worse
Speaker 4: over the years.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've discussed this a lot, just because people are
Speaker 7: so hyper aware and so worried about social media and
Speaker 7: like coming across poorly that it's not good television.
Speaker 1: You know what I noticed, And I said this when
Speaker 1: we were here last year and I met some or
Speaker 1: maybe some other iHeart thing. And I always meet some
Speaker 1: of the kind of the newer people that I didn't
Speaker 1: watch and I don't know them, Like so Justin and
Speaker 1: Susie are here. They're new and I think they were
Speaker 1: on kind of recent seasons. And what I've noticed is
Speaker 1: there's no joy. No one's talking about it, even the
Speaker 1: ladies from the Golden Bachelor. No one's talking about it
Speaker 1: glowingly about what an amazing experience it was. And look,
Speaker 1: I know that everyone you know, even back in my day,
Speaker 1: it was like there was good at its, bad at its,
Speaker 1: and you know, and Higgins is sitting here. You're all
Speaker 1: sitting here, and so we all had our ups and dow.
Speaker 3: Higgins really bad at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we made him look like the golden Boy. I said, Ben,
Speaker 1: I said, you've been getting away far too long from
Speaker 1: being known as the nice guy from the Midwest. I said,
Speaker 1: your run has come to an end. I'm gonna out
Speaker 1: him as for the guy he really is. But I
Speaker 1: saw him push an old lady down on the street
Speaker 1: and Carmel, it was horrible, horrible man, And.
Speaker 3: That was you.
Speaker 1: I was the old man.
Speaker 3: We're in California.
Speaker 1: He said, screw you, old man, and he pushed me
Speaker 1: down on the golf course. And but it is That's
Speaker 1: one thing I've noticed, and it's unfortunate that no one
Speaker 1: comes away with Joy and it's almost like this experience
Speaker 1: they've survived, which is a really and and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys think back on your time with Joy.
Speaker 4: Even though there were a lot of like darker moments
Speaker 4: like the f Boy series that I was kind of
Speaker 4: in the thick of uhhase. Yeah, yeah, the hometown experience
Speaker 4: wasn't too good for me. Winter Games as a whole
Speaker 4: was just a mess of a show. Still fun, I guess,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I still look back on those fondly, Like
Speaker 4: even though there were bad moments, I still look at
Speaker 4: it as a net positive.
Speaker 7: And yeah, it was like a fun time with friends
Speaker 7: and and you Yeah, you've got your things that you
Speaker 7: go through publicly.
Speaker 3: But I had a blast.
Speaker 1: And y'all noticed that when you run into people on
Speaker 1: the French just that joy.
Speaker 7: It's like, who if that was brutal? I'm like, you
Speaker 7: didn't have fun. Yeah, you didn't have a blast.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, like, why'd you just like you just
Speaker 1: signed up for prison camp? What was going on?
Speaker 7: They took your phone, didn't communicate with anyone.
Speaker 5: No, that's true. I guess I never thought about that.
Speaker 4: But you're right, And I don't really talk to a
Speaker 4: lot of like the newer contestants, so maybe I don't
Speaker 4: just get that experience firsthand. But yeah, when we talked
Speaker 4: to like Ben and and Wells and everyone else that
Speaker 4: we know from like the same kind of era, for
Speaker 4: lack of a better word, that we're from. It's always positive.
Speaker 4: But the newer contestants maybe you just don't have the
Speaker 4: same experience.
Speaker 1: I always forget about Winter Games. It was so fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad you had fun.
Speaker 1: Remember when Ben fell in love with Yuki?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do. We were just talking about that the
Speaker 5: other day.
Speaker 4: He was like pulling her around the front yard on
Speaker 4: the sledge and he's like screaming for it.
Speaker 3: I don't remember you on that show.
Speaker 5: That's good, that's let's keep it that way.
Speaker 1: Let me there's an indelible like thing burned in my brain.
Speaker 1: I can never get it out. It's this image, and
Speaker 1: that is Ben Higgins and Dean in a speed racing
Speaker 1: skin tight We had a speed racing event and we
Speaker 1: thought this would be funny. We're gonna put them in
Speaker 1: the you know, the true speedo thing, and it was interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and those guys, those Canadian guys are all such
Speaker 4: great skaters.
Speaker 5: And then here we go.
Speaker 4: I've like been on ice skates twice in my life
Speaker 4: and it was just and then yeah, we were wearing
Speaker 4: skin tight suits. You fall in that ice, you're busting
Speaker 4: your hip wide open. Even at twenty seven, I was
Speaker 4: scared to fall and hurt myself.
Speaker 1: We had, you know, putting people on skis.
Speaker 6: We had ski races and when there were people who
Speaker 6: had never seen snow, and we were like, we're gonna
Speaker 6: fire you down a mountain, We're like, here, we're gonna
Speaker 6: let you practice for three minutes and now now it's
Speaker 6: time to go. Speaking of insurance, no, I mean we
Speaker 6: had this net upright, and people were flying into the net.
Speaker 1: It was a horrible idea. And the snow was really icy.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even good snow. Do you know how I.
Speaker 2: Knew as a reporter, and this is before we're dating
Speaker 2: that you kind of didn't give a shit about this
Speaker 2: that show, like you were just having fun. I show
Speaker 2: up for the interview and for the first time I've
Speaker 2: been interviewing him for years, and he had facial hair
Speaker 2: be remember that actually he is doing He's just he's
Speaker 2: just enjoying this.
Speaker 1: I guess it was kind of two things, honestly, that show.
Speaker 1: So we were really burned out, Like they we kept
Speaker 1: creating shows and you know, we were you know, kept
Speaker 1: we were having massive success and we were kind of
Speaker 1: victims of our own success because ABC's like, give us more,
Speaker 1: give us more, give us more. We're doing twenty six
Speaker 1: hours of Paradise, and so we were going from show
Speaker 1: to show to show, and when they added Winter Games,
Speaker 1: we had finally just what would happen was we we
Speaker 1: would wrap Bachelor and that wraps like right around Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: and you'd finally you'd go home. You'd like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: can see my family, spend time with the kids and
Speaker 1: like reinvest and plug back in. And it was like, no, no, Like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go home celebrate Thanksgiving and you're going to
Speaker 1: right back out to Vermont and you're going to be
Speaker 1: there until basically Christmas. And it was just like such
Speaker 1: a gut punch because I'm like I just on a
Speaker 1: personal level spent so much time alone. And as Laura knows,
Speaker 1: because we had her first flirty conversation in that hotel
Speaker 1: room when she interviewed me. Because I was very I
Speaker 1: didn't know that I was very well. I guess the
Speaker 1: first flirty thing was in Paradise. And then then she
Speaker 1: came and asked.
Speaker 2: Me, you know you got we were married for three
Speaker 2: months and forgets everything.
Speaker 1: There was episode she interviewed.
Speaker 3: Down the mountain Dean.
Speaker 1: She interviewed me for Winter Games and she came in
Speaker 1: and she's like, by the way, are you single? And
Speaker 1: this is in the interview. I was like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: hitting on me. I want to know, and so what
Speaker 1: was but what the truth? So this is how I
Speaker 1: see the world? Right? The truth was?
Speaker 3: He was like on camera, this professional woman is hitting
Speaker 3: on me.
Speaker 1: No, the truth.
Speaker 3: The truth was, what's some respects on my name?
Speaker 1: Some some a producer had heard I was dating somebody
Speaker 1: and they just said, hey, Lauren, you need to ask
Speaker 1: that idiot host if he's dating somebody to try and
Speaker 1: get a scoop. Yes, of course in my mind, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's hitting on me. Right, I like my
Speaker 1: version and what's the real version?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 1: That was it?
Speaker 3: No, he really did tell the truth. The truth. Well,
Speaker 3: that's how it was. At ET.
Speaker 2: It was like like if you were going into an
Speaker 2: interview and they're mandating questions, you have to ask, you
Speaker 2: have to ask that. And they were like, we have
Speaker 2: this tip that Chris Harrison is dating someone, so go
Speaker 2: ask him if he's dating someone.
Speaker 3: So I had to like and I had.
Speaker 1: This, I've been dating someone, but we had been broken up.
Speaker 1: So I was like, why yeah, and so we had
Speaker 1: a very flirt and then he was like.
Speaker 3: But there's this guy Dean who's here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's circumcised, because.
Speaker 4: That's so funny that he's reading off your cards and Chris.
Speaker 4: And then meanwhile I was just thinking like, Wow, this
Speaker 4: girls really.
Speaker 6: A lot.
Speaker 1: Because I help people find love does not mean I
Speaker 1: was good at it myself. Those that can't do teach guys.
Speaker 1: It is so damn good to have you. It's good
Speaker 1: to see you, and in all seriousness, it was great
Speaker 1: to like spend some really quality time with you at
Speaker 1: Wells and Sarah's wedding and then obviously this weekend and you, man,
Speaker 1: I was like, I really, I said to Laura lest night,
Speaker 1: I was like, I got to spend a lot of
Speaker 1: time with Dean this week, and I was like, I've
Speaker 1: really enjoyed getting to know you better and I feel
Speaker 1: like you're in a great place in life for both
Speaker 1: of you, and I just I love it. It's been
Speaker 1: great really gotten close. I appreciate what a good guy
Speaker 1: you are.
Speaker 4: I want to take this opportunity to apologize to you
Speaker 4: for losing our team play yesterday. I mean, I miss
Speaker 4: some big puts out there. Let Ben and Walls take
Speaker 4: about seventy bucks off of was that quote that.
Speaker 3: You told me last night? I was like, how'd you
Speaker 3: guys play?
Speaker 2: And he said, you know what they say about golf,
Speaker 2: it's just about having fun out there. I was like, Diana,
Speaker 2: I don't know golf, but no one says that.
Speaker 4: I always say the best golfer is the one having
Speaker 4: the most fun.
Speaker 5: So I was the best golfer.
Speaker 1: Dean and I rode together. We had a blast, and
Speaker 1: then we played Wells and Ben in a team event.
Speaker 1: And again Higgins is right here. He did nothing Berger
Speaker 1: all day, he wrote, and.
Speaker 3: Why did you come into this room?
Speaker 6: He wrote?
Speaker 1: He's doing a podcast next because so almost famous podcasts.
Speaker 1: Who's going to be on the almost famous podcast? Coming up?
Speaker 1: Justin and Susie new love It Just yeah. I talked
Speaker 1: to them last night about their relationship. Really interesting how
Speaker 1: they You know, they were on separate shows, but that's
Speaker 1: not how they really got together.
Speaker 3: Well, look at Dean and Campon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know they're coming in hot. There's Justin and
Speaker 1: Susan you right there, so we will clear out. But Dean, Kaylin,
Speaker 1: thanks for having us. Good to see you guys. I
Speaker 1: love you guys. It's been fun. I think I speak
Speaker 1: for everybody. Let's keep the mustache off. Yeah, well, and anestly,
Speaker 1: did you shave this morning or last night?
Speaker 5: It was this morning morning here? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh so you did this for the show. I did
Speaker 1: it for you, handsome.
Speaker 5: He's back.
Speaker 1: This is step one of Dean coming Back.
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