WEBVTT - #431 - Mez 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.960 Yo, yo, this is mess. Check me out on the 0:00:02.000 --> 0:00:09.960 Bootleg CAF podcast Boutleg CAF Podcast, Best special guest in here. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.480 He's got a new EP coming very soon April nineteenth, 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:15.440 on my birthday, Friday Friday. 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:16.120 The loading EP. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:17.239 The loading EP. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:18.880 My god, So what does that mean? Does that mean 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.000 that the album is loading? 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.200 The album is still loading. It's a continuation. 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:24.720 So this is the loading screen, this this project. Yeah, Bro, 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:27.680 just when you played the PlayStation one screen. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.560 Well, yeah, what you know about PlayStation one? 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.040 Bro, I'm thirty seven years old. 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.720 I'm just saying everything. I'm a big PlayStation I'm a 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:35.640 PlayStation ahead. Bro. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:37.839 I know, bro, that was the system. I mean, look, 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.559 my first system was a Metal Gear Grants. Metal Gear 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:41.360 is my favorite game ever. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:44.159 You know, Metal Give is my favorite game ever. No way, 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:45.520 Metal Gives game ever. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.560 Yes, Bro, When I was a little kid playing Metal 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.440 Gear and I had to fight Psychomantis. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.919 Bro, and you gotta unplugged report put in the other 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.600 porty Okay, you wanted to want to know? 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.279 That was the craziest mind blowing thing you ever had 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:00.279 to do to beat some Yo. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.680 Listen, I've actually brought that moment up a lot when 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.000 I talk to people about like art and creativity and 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:06.720 ship and I'm like, yo, one of the most creative 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:07.800 things I've ever seen. 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:09.800 Was because how could you figure that out? 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.959 Yo? Figured it out is one thing. How could you 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:15.640 make that up? That's a different thing. But like, imagine 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:16.080 that's how. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:18.840 I'm at home with no Internet, like how do you 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:20.039 beat this crazy guy? 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.320 That's how I'm seeing as an artist, as a creative, 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:23.720 you know what I mean? Like I look at Dao 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:25.520 in the way he move and think, I'm like, yo, 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:27.520 like like how do you think to do that? You 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:27.959 know what I mean? 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:29.560 I love you know, I love that part of the 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:31.520 Metal gear Head as I am. I only played the 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:36.959 first two, Oh bro, so I never played you have 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:38.240 to play. I was gonna say that's the one that 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.200 you never played Snake Eater. I just got to the 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.360 point where I was just like, you gotta play Snakeator. 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.399 Time was like, but the first Metal Gear Solid is 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:46.800 my number one game. 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:49.400 It's incredible though, it's incredible. I think it's the best, 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:50.880 probably the best video game. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.360 And it holds up still to this day. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:52.720 Yeah. 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:56.320 Yeah, great quality, Yeah, shots and you're solid. So you're 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.400 like you're like specifically passionate about PlayStation games. 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.920 Yeah, big PlayStation head for sure. Yeah, never had like 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.120 a Dreamcast or nah. I mean you know what with 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:10.040 Nintendo now. Dreamcast to me was. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.680 Like no, Dreamcast had some ship based I was like, nah, 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.520 you know what I liked about Dreamcast is when they 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.200 knew they were going out, everything was so cheap. So 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:19.919 you get a Dreamcast with all the games, Like the 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.919 games are like fucking a penny at some places. I had, uh, 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:25.040 Sega Saturn. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:28.040 Sega Saturn was cool. I like, I like like, I 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.400 like the concept of it, bro. But yeah they did it. 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.520 They did everything better PlayStation for sure. 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.480 All Right, so uh you obviously were you just at 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:37.200 dream deal Fest? 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.640 I did, man, I did go. I attended, actually popped 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.760 out of my boy Loot said it was a challenging 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.320 of course, one of the best North Carolina. You already 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:47.840 know seven o four, so. 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.080 You had help, you would help. What did you contribute 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.320 to the new Cold might delete this later project? 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:55.840 I helped write the hook on the intro on on 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.919 Pricey Lennix's hook She's crazy, amazing, amazing, directed some videos 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.280 for her before too. She's She's a great. Shout out 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:03.600 to Ari. 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.800 Lenny super nice too, and like you running her in 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.280 public and you'd be like, you're here by yourself. Yo. 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.160 She showed up to the video I directed for her 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:12.720 the same way. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.040 That's all right, some show and she was just in 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.400 the cut, just hanging out and I was like, M sorry, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.480 seven eleven right here in North Hollywood, like you just 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.120 be rolling around like a normal person. She ain't already. 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.359 She cool? She the coolest. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great hook. 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.000 By the way, Thank you. Shout out to daveon Cole 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:28.560 right on that. 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.480 I got to ask you when when Cole apologized on stage, 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:34.360 that's your man's m did you know that was going 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:36.880 to happen? And I had to ask you about it? 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.120 You were there, Yeah, that's your guy. What were your 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.600 thoughts on the whole thing? Because I'm on the I'm 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.320 in the minority space where I actually respected it. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.280 Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean to me, bro, any any 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.200 grown man that's going to just do what he feel 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.680 rather than what he's pressured into. I just I'm a 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.720 respected you know what I mean. It's just simple like that, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.560 Like ninety percent of niggas in the world, like are 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.040 just doing things that people pressure them into. Grown ass 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.400 adults are pressured in to doing things, so I think 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.600 that's interesting. But yeah, you know, I respect him for 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:05.840 doing what he felt like. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.560 You know, I would tell people like, man, like in 0:04:07.680 --> 0:04:13.520 hip hop, we get so conditioned and like charged up 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:17.039 by people and not by but it doesn't always necessarily 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.120 have to be how you feel. But it's like the 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:22.120 people around you. The noise will get you charged up 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:23.480 and get you in a space that ain't even like 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:25.560 really where you are, you know what I'm saying. So 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.000 when he said that, I was like I was at 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:28.880 WrestleMania in the back of the Uber leaving Many. I 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:31.320 was like, oh shit. But I was like, Brian respected 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.520 because I feel like Kohle's been moving a certain way 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:39.840 for so long and you know, hey, man, like you 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.840 got to respect any man his self aware enough to 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.040 know like this energy for me is not like fuck 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.400 all this other shit like I'm trying to be. 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:47.920 I'm gonna go to sleep at night, you know what 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.240 I mean? You know, I mean Vince Stables had an 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:53.680 interesting perspective on it. I saw I think he called 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.640 in maybe the Joe Budden or something like that, and 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.520 he was just like, like, how we not talking about 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.000 music publishing. He write his hell like, I'm like, damn, 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.919 Like just people just get ried up over all these 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.040 different things that don't have shit to do with like 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.520 us having ownership over what we have or like right, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.720 it's just so hilarious the thing. You know, obviously now 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.400 is it entertaining? Yes, obviously, of course this whole thing 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:16.960 is entertaining. That's that's the way that they work, you know. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.800 I feel like controversy is like entertaining, you know what 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:20.159 I'm saying. 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:21.840 Yeah, I remember talking about Punch and I was like, 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.920 I saw Punch last last week, you know, two weeks ago. 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:26.480 I saw abut the iHeart of words. We're just shooting 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.040 the shit, yeah, And I was like, man, I know 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.239 Cole is going to be the one to respond, because 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:35.440 Cole is like a fucking gladiator, like he gets this shit. 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.120 But I was like, but damn, Dreamville Fest is next week, 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.800 and school Boy Q's on it and Sis, I'm like 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:44.280 everyone's friends, Like, like, I don't know if there's a 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.719 more tighter crew than like the dream Build TV crew 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.600 over the years, and like those two guys specifically have 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.240 always moved with like in a certain way that's never 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.040 been goofy. So I was like, I just hope whatever happens, 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:56.720 like they just come out on the other side of it, 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.000 like and everything's all good. So I'm glad to see 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.000 that that at the very least is probably going to 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.040 be the case. So but uh, for you, man, like, 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.640 what's it like? Because you obviously I remember you back 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.719 in the day popping up on like two Dope Boys, 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:13.800 and you were like pretty active in that. I would say, 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.400 with the latter end of the blog era, is that 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:16.080 fair to say? Y? 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:17.880 Yeah? Yeah, I was like watching it when I was 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.120 in school. I was like watching the blog era, you 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:21.640 know what I mean. It was like happening, you know, 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:23.320 around that time Cold put out, like the warm up 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.600 all this stuff. Like I was in school still, you 0:06:25.640 --> 0:06:28.160 know what I mean. But it was cool though, because yeah, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:29.880 like right, like you said, like right at the end 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.560 of it, like I started sending emails out trying to 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.400 like getting on Two Dope Boys and shout out to. 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.960 Shake Shake, and I just saw me at WrestleMania. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. They put some of my 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:42.279 first like little projects online. 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:42.640 You know. 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.320 I did this EP with Crisis producer from North Carolina. Yeah, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.120 we did this EP of The King's Crisis and that 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.520 joint was like it was like my first time on 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.240 the blog. So I was like, oh, this is hard. 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:53.839 You know, people wrote about it, talked about it. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.159 And people understand like the blog shit was like they're 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.360 like real A and rs real. Yeah, motherfuckers, like they 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.320 had to fuck with your shit and if they posted 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.000 your ship it could like really change your life. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.000 Yeah. Man, it was funny. I mean it's it's so 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:07.920 similar to like there's blogs now that exist. They just 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.440 have a different form, different name, you know what I mean. 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:12.440 A lot of it is just people find find a 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.000 way to get they taste to be a popular thing, 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:17.080 you know, find a way to do that. You could 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:18.760 sell pretty much anything. Yeah. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.840 So obviously because I know you had like had that 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.320 run like making music and then you started to kind 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.880 of become more behind the scenes shooting videos. What was 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.920 the first kind of big video that you were able 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:31.360 to direct? 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.240 And I mean the first video director that all was 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.680 the Middle Child video for j Cole Okay, so that. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:37.520 Was like more Ray I was like about four years ago. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.080 Five years ago was that. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.360 Yeah, Yeah, this was my first video project ever at all, 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.080 you know, like that I was like, oh, I'm in 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:48.400 charge of like the visuals. 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:52.320 Yeah, what was like, because if that's your first one 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.280 for Cold to trust you to do his video, you 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.080 know what I mean? Like, what was it about what 0:07:57.160 --> 0:07:59.680 you were doing that made him comfortable you think to 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.320 let you take the reins. 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.200 Man you know what's funny man him like some other 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:05.280 people around me, but obviously with him it was like 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:09.400 a real big deal. Has seen in me a lot, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.640 maybe even more than I even knew about myself creatively, 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.880 because I have ideas. I'm really good at describing the 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:17.080 idea that people are like a visual or the way 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.280 I see something, you know, like it's a storytelling talent 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.680 that probably came from music that started in writing songs. 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.840 But then the attention of detail with me just is 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.160 just so high and a lot of things like it 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:30.920 just made it easier for me to articulate what I 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.960 wanted to see. And I think that's probably how that's 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:35.600 I don't know. I just came to him with ideas. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:36.880 I'd be like, yo, I want to shoot a video 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.000 idea for myself like this, or one day him I 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.360 told him about a movie idea I had. He was like, bro, 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.840 this is like a real like a good ass movie 0:08:43.880 --> 0:08:49.120 idea or whatever, and eventually, you know, it turned into 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.000 I was at Dreamville camp, you know what I mean, 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.199 revengeal the Dreamers camp. Yeah, yeah, you know we put 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.120 the I did like I end up on like three 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:01.000 songs on there and then it so you're Grammy nominated, 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:04.679 Grammy nominated. Yes, yes, sir, you had a little bell out, 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:08.880 you know what I'm saying. Grammy dominated. Yeah, And so 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.240 him and T minus was like in the back and 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.280 it was working on Middle Child. I remember they was 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.280 going back and forth over the bpm like one bpm, 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.000 like arguing. They were not even arguing, just like debating 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:22.640 about the one bpm. And I remember sitting in the back. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:23.719 He asked me what I thought. I was like, this 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.400 is hard and then called me like a week later, like, Yo, 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:28.959 what you think about writing the video idea? I was like, 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:30.880 you gotta let me direct it though if I write it, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:32.880 And he was like, all right, next thing, you know, 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:36.520 half a million dollar video? Yeah? Crazy, Yeah, that's crazy. 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.440 Yo. Were you in the camp when like the Milwaukee 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.079 Bucks pulled up or Chris Bosh was there? 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:45.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I met Janni's for the first for 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.559 the only time really, like he was right behind me 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.960 getting macaroni and cheese in the line. Bro Yo, Revenge 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.360 camp was like crazy. 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.559 Well I heard Chris Bosh was playing beats and like 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:59.160 the bucks were just hanging and yeah, yeah, yeah that 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:01.640 had to be fucking wild, like you're just like working 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.440 on music. Then all of a sudden, Giannis. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:07.120 Is it was crazy. Chris Bosh was tall as hell, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.920 just walked in with the laptop unfolded. That bitch, like, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:11.600 what's I got some heat? Yeah? 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.719 I was like, yeah, it's gotta be nice to be 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:15.720 Chris Bosh because like, no matter what, people gonna let 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.079 you play beats, you got to tell Chris Bosh No. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.600 I mean I don't know, man, I think I don't 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.520 know people. How was his beat? I wasn't really like 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.920 in the room. Why he laughed, that's crazy, yo, My 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.760 man just started laughing. No, I wasn't in the room 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:32.600 really when who he was playing his beat? 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:35.839 Nah? What was your most like, uh, the most fun 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.199 memory about those sessions because we always hear so many 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.520 different versions of like how crazy they were, because I 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.160 think it was like a legendary that you people are 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:44.120 getting like these invites. 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:47.520 Yeah, and you'd have to fly out, and I mean 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.240 it was crazy, man, it was funny. It was like 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:51.079 at one point, at some point, I think maybe it 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.319 was Felting or Adam, one of them made the yellow 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.679 ticket concept, you know what I mean, because it was 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.560 just inviting people at first, and then they started sending 0:10:57.600 --> 0:10:59.319 out a yellow ticket and then people start posting on 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.880 their social media, so it was like some Willy Wonka 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:04.360 shit already, like Nigga's like, oh yo, I got this 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.319 yellow tick. You see a rapper, you know, a producer 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:08.559 you know, or somebody get the thing. And it just 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:11.400 started already just creating like a sneaky little like legend 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.120 about it, you know, around LA or wherever you was at. 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.679 And the next thing, you know, people just started just 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.880 flying out there. And you know, I remember getting invited. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:21.439 I was like, yo, I'm gonna go out there like 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.679 NAS songs, you know, and it was just fun, a 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:26.839 little competitive. It was like it was good, Like the 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:28.560 nature of the whole thing was good. 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.360 Yo. Being from North Carolina, like obviously I grew up 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.720 being like a really really really huge little brother had 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.800 Like I got to see them live. I think I 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.319 went I saw them live the Minstrel Show tour. I 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.600 think it was them and dilated people's And then I've 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:51.680 seen Fonte when he was doing. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:53.120 His shout out to Little brother Man. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.560 Yeah, Little Brothers just like up there. Do you feel 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.120 like and they just put out a dope documentary on YouTube? 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.880 Do you feel like and Holland Yeah? Do you feel 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:06.080 like they get like their respect? Like somehow I feel 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:09.880 like they've kind of like became like not forgotten. But 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.559 I'm like, man, these motherfuckers really like like Fonte is 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:14.280 like really like one of the greatest, Like you know 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:14.760 what I'm saying. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.520 I mean, look, you're talking about them right now. You 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:18.199 just brought them up in an interview, you know what 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:19.840 I mean. Like I'm saying, like when you're growing up 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.400 like being a kid. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think that. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.160 Obviously it wasn't the first thing I found or that 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.559 I had heard, But that's what I like about good 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.839 art bro, and really good artists and stuff like that. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.319 It's like like, yeah, bro, Like even if you know 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.480 you're not talking about them on like a scale that's 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:40.760 like I don't know, like uh, stadiums or selling out 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.880 like Arenaturs or something like that, you still bring them 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.160 up for some reason, right, And it's because you know, 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.520 and I know that like deep down inside, just like 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.040 some of the highest quality like shit, you know what 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:53.440 I mean. It's these artists, you know. That's the cool 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.760 thing about about art. And what I also realized about 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.719 art is because it's something that don't really exist in 0:12:58.840 --> 0:13:01.360 like space and time, like you know, Boski I got 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.800 lit after he died, like which obviously rested recipes. I 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:05.439 don't want that for nobody, but I just think, like 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.520 you just never know when something might, you know, imagine 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.640 your life is crazy, like good art. 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.440 Will find you fe linerations later years. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.679 Later, stranger things like sample day, what's that? What's the 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.080 lady song? From the seventies? 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:21.360 Something bush right? They put it and then it ended 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.199 up going to top forty radio like thirty. 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.319 Years to one hundred. Yeah, with the Master of the Puppets. 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.280 The Metallica song like they used it on that scene 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.959 and that ship just became like a top ten on 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:31.960 Spotify all of a sudden. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.079 That's what I'm saying. It's crazy, like the whole you know, 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.880 it's interesting to find a way to like to do that, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.160 like make something that that's standing test of time. In 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:40.520 that way. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.360 On this EP, you got the homie Isaiah shot is 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:47.200 shad uh shout out to Leon Bridges. You got Saint 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:47.839 John on there. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:48.240 Yeah. 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.280 For you, like, uh, how long have you been working 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.679 on the actual album that's coming and how did you 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.280 pick between like these are for the EPH, this is 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.040 the this is the same or platter? Yeah, before the entre? 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:04.440 Yeah for sure. I mean the EP songs were songs 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.160 that I had that I knew I wanted to see 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:08.280 the light of day. A couple of them are like newer, 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.080 but for the most part its songs that I knew. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:11.760 It was like I was like, yeah, I just want 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:15.080 to get a palette together or palate cleanser together for people, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.880 so you know when it's time for me to start 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:18.920 putting my album music out there really like you know 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.120 what's up? Or like you know, it's like a like 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:23.560 a great wrong way to the album project honestly, if 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:25.520 I'm being real, right, Yea, the album got like some 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:29.000 crazy everything features music everything. 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.640 Boss little Boss hook, Yo, Hey, it's been cooking on 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:36.240 these nice bro. 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:36.800 He's nice bro. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.200 Yeah, But I told him, I was like, sohow you 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.760 made this tra from like wrapping your ass off to 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.440 like making these crazy melodic fucking hooks. 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.520 And people going to sing along. Anyway, it's that part, 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:49.440 you know what I'm saying. Sure, shout out to Boss. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.080 Do you feel like kind of being like extended Dreamville? 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:52.160 Like? 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:55.640 Uh, did they ever try to like actually like submit 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.400 an offer to you to bring you on like officially 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.000 as an artist? I know you're a massive peal, but 0:14:59.080 --> 0:14:59.600 like did that ever? 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.160 You know what's funny, bro is like a story a 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:03.880 lot of people don't know. It's like the way I 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.000 met him only played my music for Cole. Shout out 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:08.760 to owmen play my music for Cold like a long 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.400 time ago, and then first guy on dream Bill. Right ever, 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.960 Omen was the first guy. Right, maybe he was the 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.520 first guy. Maybe makes sense, you know, I know they 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:20.560 go way back. But Amen played my music for Coal 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.040 and then Cole like heard it and texted me. This 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:25.800 was like right after this first album had came out, 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.520 you know, and like I'm supposed to be in college, like, 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:30.360 you know, me and my little brother you got an 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.960 apartment in Raleigh together, Like my mom had just passed 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.880 not too long before that, and so we were just 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.040 kind of like figuring a bunch of shit out and 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:39.640 I just got this text out of nowhere, like, Yo, 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.600 there's j Cole, like y'all want to meet you end 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.760 up flying to Raleigh, like to North Carolina to meet me, 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.880 came to a studio and everything. Yeah, and so that's 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.360 like how we met each other, you know what I mean. 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.440 It's still like pictures and videos from that time. He 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.000 produced a song that was on like one of my 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:54.240 early mixstapes. Gave me a beat. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.880 God, we need more cold beats man, that high power power. 0:15:57.880 --> 0:15:58.880 I was about to say, I was about to bring 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.800 up high Power yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so we 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.880 need more more came more Krit beats for the record. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:06.360 But anyway, yeah, you know, so we're forgetting Those two 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:10.560 guys are amazing producers, big Krit Krit Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah, 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:13.000 for sure, both of them. Yeah yeah. But so that's 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.080 how we ended up meeting. And yeah, it was conversations 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.080 around that time for sure. You know. It was really 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.320 cool about him, man, one of the best things like 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.760 he was at that at that time, Dreamsville was so early, 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.920