1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: I do feel like I'm looking behind me, and I 2 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: absolutely feel like she said, someone tries to shut me up. 3 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: So to me, I'm definitely feeling like there's a confrontation here, 4 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: there are men involved. It feels like there's a scenario 5 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: here that she finds herself in a very dangerous situation. 6 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: When I told you that I'd leave no stone unturned 7 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: in reporting this podcast, I meant it. I've dug through 8 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: dusty courthouse basements. I've interviewed the oldest residents of Caltabolota, 9 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: tried to interview every Piazza relative I can possibly get 10 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: a hold of, and yet the miss of who may 11 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: have murdered Lorenza Marsala remains. In the last episode that 12 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,559 Speaker 2: you listened to, I asked Lorenza herself for a sign. 13 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: All right, Lorenza, we are trying our best. I stood 14 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 2: in the chapel, on the very ground where her bones 15 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: were buried in a mass crypt for the entire town, 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 2: and I pleaded with her, we are trying our best 17 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: to tell your story. Can you give us a sign. 18 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if she hurt me, but I can 19 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: tell you that ever since I returned from Sicily, I've 20 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 2: been revisiting Cultivalota in my dreams. I'm not a woo 21 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: wu person by any means, but there have been mornings 22 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 2: where I've woken up in a cold sweat after walking 23 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: through the exact fields below the exact cliffs where Lorenza died. 24 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: I never remember much. I have sometimes pain and a 25 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: distinct sense of foreboding, and so I've decided to reach 26 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: out to the woman herself. I've decided that it's time 27 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: to talk to Lorenza. 28 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: It is super old school shit, but I am seeing 29 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 1: her plead for her life. Remember when I said she's 30 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,519 Speaker 1: taken like she doesn't see this coming. 31 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: I'm Joe Piazza, and this is the Sicilian Inheritance, chapter eight, 32 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: a strong mouthed woman. So, as I said, I'm not 33 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: that woo wu and I don't exactly have my own 34 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 2: psychic on speed dial, but I do have some experience 35 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 2: with high profile mediums. I've actually written my fair share 36 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: of magazine and newspaper articles in the past about both 37 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: psychics and mediums. And I mean not to brug but 38 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: I got a guy, or actually a lady named Marianne DeMarco. 39 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm good. How are you. 40 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: See I met Marianne years ago when I was interviewing 41 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: her for Red Book magazine, and I was totally sold 42 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: on her ability to detect the unknowable when she actually 43 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 2: told me something that she could not have known. The 44 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: last time you get a reading for me, I had 45 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: zero children and you told me that I. 46 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: Was pregnant, and now I have three freaking kids. Girl, 47 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: are you planning on a floor? I'm just kidding. 48 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: The last time I interviewed Marianne, she told me I 49 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: was pregnant, and I was, but I had no idea 50 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: until three days later when I took a pregnancy test. 51 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, when it comes to psychics and mediums, I've 52 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: kind of fallen for her. Marianne knows things. She explained 53 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: to me the way that she works. She's not a 54 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: psychic in the way that we think about like television psychics, 55 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: like those one, nine hundred numbers that were all over 56 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: the TV in the eighties and nineties. Marianne doesn't predict things. 57 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: She's a medium, and that's different. It means she's extremely 58 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: sensitive to the other side. She can converse with the 59 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: spirit world, but only if they want to. And as 60 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 2: she's told me many times over, the years. The spirit 61 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 2: world can be picky about when they want to talk. Now, 62 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: before we dug into all of this, I didn't tell 63 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 2: her anything in advance about this story. I just said 64 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 2: that I wanted to chat about my great great grandmother's 65 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: death in Sicily in nineteen sixteen. And we did this 66 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: interview before the podcast episode started dropping and before the 67 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 2: book was released, so there wasn't any information on the 68 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 2: internets that Marianne could peep. Just in case any of 69 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 2: you are skeptics, which I most definitely am. Throughout this 70 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: whole year of reporting, I've been dying for more information. 71 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: So I brought Marianne in pretty early in my reporting process, 72 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: and I wanted to call her before all of this 73 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: information was out there in the world. Now I'm going 74 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: to revisit that interview for clues. Mary Anne does prefer 75 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 2: to do things in person, because, as she tells me, 76 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: the energy is just better. But leaving my house with 77 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: my three children and driving all the way to Long 78 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 2: Island is not easy. So we did this the way 79 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: that all of us do everything in America these days. 80 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: We hopped on a zoom, Marianne from Long Island and 81 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: me from. 82 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 1: Philly, there's a lot of moving parts here that this 83 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: is more it's even it's like more complicated than you 84 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: think it is. And they're talking about somebody's making my 85 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: throat hurt, which is very interesting. And I do feel 86 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: like I'm looking behind me and I absolutely feel like 87 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: she said, someone tries to shut me up. So to me, 88 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm definitely feeling like there's a confrontation here. There are 89 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: men involved. I'm seeing a connection to them knowing something 90 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: that they shouldn't have known, being witnessed to something that 91 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: they shouldn't have seen. There's something there now I don't 92 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: know if they were like directly involved. I'm not really 93 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: seeing that, but I am seeing her plead for her 94 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: life and it is super old school shit. But I 95 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: feel like when I remember when I said she she's taken, 96 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: she doesn't see this coming. So to me, they could 97 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: have dragged her out of town, like I just don't 98 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: think she knew, or they could have moved her. But 99 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: I am definitely at some point she is afraid for 100 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: her life, now, don't I don't know that it's at 101 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: the time of death because I don't see her facing 102 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: this individual, but I know she's scared something's going on 103 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: that she's aware. The words that I heard were lawlessness. 104 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: I definitely saw like a family that was either mafia 105 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: related or ran the town. I heard the mayor was 106 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: in on it. And again I'm seeing this plead for 107 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: someone's life, and I'm wondering if she's pleading for her 108 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: this is her brother or brother in law that she's with, 109 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: and they're showing me definitely references to people who try 110 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: to take over the land, because I'm wondering if this 111 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: is a land thing. Okay, okakay. Her mouth for me, 112 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: she's a strong mouthed woman. And your father said to me, 113 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: aren't we all so this side of the family. For me, 114 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: the women seem to have a voice. Yeah, yeah, okay, 115 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: these are not quiet women. These are not women. Didn't 116 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: we do not turn the other cheek? Somebody just said 117 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: to me like that, We face we Oh, this is 118 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: really good, holy shit show, We face vengeance head on. 119 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: Oh. I have to pause Marianne here because this is 120 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: a lot. The hairs on the back of my neck 121 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: are standing up. My entire body is on high alert. 122 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: She's a strong mouthed woman, a woman who faces vengeance 123 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: head on. I mean, I kind of love that I 124 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: tell Marianne I need a beat. I go to the bathroom, 125 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: I splash some water on my face, and then I 126 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 2: come back. 127 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: She tells me I am taken, I am dragged. She said, 128 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: this is a this is a dispute over land, and 129 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: so to me, she's taken outside of town, yes alive 130 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: where Oh my god, there's the m R. We always talking, 131 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: you said in m A R. Yes, Nicolo Martino. So 132 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: the ma A R, the first one that I said, 133 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: is in connection to her, and then the MR se 134 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: that sounded like a mark in my head. That's the 135 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: other family. 136 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: At this point, I am truly spooked because mari Anne 137 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: keeps saying m A R m A R m A R. 138 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: And there's no way that she could know anything about 139 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: Nicolo Martino. 140 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: I hear I'm dragged out account and when she's dragged, 141 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: when they're dragged out account, Joe, everybody. So let's just 142 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: say there's arguments, takes. There's people around, right, they show 143 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: me like people around, but everybody turns their back. It's 144 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: like no one thought because this was the way I thought. 145 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: I wondered, like, is this over a man? Is this no? 146 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: This is all over lamb. I had an obligation. She says, 147 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: they dishonored my sister. 148 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's nacinating. 149 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: They dishonored my sister. I said it again. This woman, 150 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: this Lorenza. 151 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: Mm hm, she is. 152 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: Really such a firecracker. So because the Mayor's in on it, 153 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: the whole town feels corrupt. I thought time. Yeah, she 154 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: claims herself as a heroine. She doesn't claim herself as 155 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: any type of victim. Mm hmm. So it's like she 156 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: talks about, like dying with honor. I do feel like 157 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: she tried to protect, you know, her children from what 158 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: was going on here. For sure, for sure, no doubt 159 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: about it. 160 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 2: I'm weirdly drained. Is it weird that I'm drained even 161 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: though you're the one talking to the spirit. 162 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: No, it's not at all, Because you know, you have 163 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: to remember something you can channel, and this whole story 164 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: is being channeled through you, and channeling is draining, especially 165 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: when you're really trying to channel with purpose behind it. 166 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: There's more to be discovered, and I'm looking at documents, 167 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: and for some reason, I feel like the documents either 168 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: aren't telling the whole story or they were altered in 169 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: some way. 170 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: Of course, this reminded me of what Giovanni are sweet 171 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 2: and wonderful handler in the Shaka homicide Archives. It reminds 172 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: me of what he told me about things being buried 173 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 2: in the sandy. 174 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: We have a wonderful war that is in Sabia. It's 175 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: a verb, but that means when someone didn't want to 176 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: find the truth about crime or about any question. Also 177 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: cover up the second. 178 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: Buried in the sand, buried in the sand. Hey, y'all, 179 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: Joe here, you may have noticed that this show is 180 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: a sort of travelogue. Throughout this series, I am truly 181 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 2: hoping that you feel like you've gone on an expedition, 182 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: adventure journey with me to solve my great great grandmother's 183 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 2: century old murder. Our true intention is that by the 184 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: end you actually feel like you've gone on both vacation 185 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 2: and affect finding mission with me, traveling across the Atlantic 186 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 2: to the gorgeous Mediterranean island of Sicily, all through the 187 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: magic of podcasting. For me, Sicily has some real main 188 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 2: character energy, and I hope you feel it too. So 189 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: to help drop you even more into that experience, we 190 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: want to offer a warning with this podcast. I do 191 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 2: not want you listening to this without some delicious food. 192 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: And so what better way for me to continue to 193 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: follow in my father's sometimes haphazard footsteps and also be 194 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: a champion of one of Sicily's best exports, then by 195 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: bringing you some actual Sicilian olive oil. I have actually 196 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 2: partnered with Philadelphia's own Cardinis Gourmet Foods. It is a 197 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 2: woman owned and operated shop to bring you the Sicilian 198 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 2: inheritance olive oil. I like to call it a flavor 199 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: journey from the volcanic soil of ancient groves through the 200 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: special terhraar that family secrets and inherited stories provide. Yeah 201 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: with a taste of fresh off the vine tomatoes and 202 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 2: a hint of almonds. It is not only an incredible 203 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: olive oil, but we know that it is going to 204 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: transport you to the beautiful and sometimes dangerous island of Sicily. 205 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: So join us get even more into this journey by 206 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: getting your very own bottle today at Cardinis taproom. You 207 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: can check the show notes for the link and the details, 208 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: and of course, thank you, thank you, and remember to 209 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: enjoy this podcast with something delicious. I need to take 210 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: a step back after talking to Marianne. I need to 211 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: think about what I know to be true. Before I left, 212 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 2: Cecily Giovanni from the archives confirmed a couple of things 213 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: for me. We now know for certain that Nicolo Martino 214 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: was definitely Lorenza's brother in law. He married her sister, 215 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: Giuseppa later in life. Giuseppa was in her forties. She'd 216 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: never been married before. Nicolo was in his fifties when 217 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: his first wife passed away. He had two kids from 218 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: that first marriage, and one of them married a woman 219 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: named Giseppa Grotto, who is weirdly also my great aunt. 220 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: So that means that Nicolo Martino was related to Lorenza 221 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: twice over. And for the past six months, I have 222 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: desperately been trying to track down anyone in the Martino line. 223 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 2: No luck so far. Now we still haven't confirmed that 224 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 2: Lorenzo was killed on the land that she owned. This 225 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: piece was passed off to Lorenzo Marsala. 226 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: Okay, so she bought the word. She bought it from 227 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 4: one of the peasants. 228 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: But I have been able to ascertain from old maps 229 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: and land deeds that the land she owned, that she 230 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: bought by herself in nineteen thirteen without her husband under 231 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: her own name, was pretty close by to the land 232 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: where she was murdered, if not the same fraught, she thought, 233 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: why would she buy land if she was leaving? 234 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 4: Well did she know she was leaving? 235 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: And this is important because many family members truly believe 236 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: that Lorenzo was killed for her land, and apparently so 237 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: did Marianne. 238 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: She said, this is a dispute over land. She talks 239 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: about dying with honor. She tried to protect her children 240 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: from what was going on here, no doubt about it. 241 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: But if it was a dispute overland, if someone was 242 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: trying to take it, they didn't win. The records that 243 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: I found in Agrigento show us that everything she owned 244 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 2: was passed down to her son Veto. 245 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 4: Okay, So then here it says that she died. 246 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 5: Just so she died and it was transferred to Vito Piazza, 247 00:16:58,080 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 5: her son. 248 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: Which is her son. I think who her was coming 249 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 2: after her? If someone really did commit violence against her, 250 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 2: If that's true, they did not get what they wanted 251 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: because all that land, it stayed in our family. And 252 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 2: maybe what Marianne said is true, Maybe our family kept 253 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: that land because Lorenza stood her ground. Now what else 254 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 2: do we know? 255 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 4: So what is this this is the land record. 256 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: This is we know that Vito, the second oldest son, 257 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 2: he was in Caltiblota. He was there, he got his 258 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: mother's land and he stayed. He married a young woman 259 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 2: named Vincenza Leo and settled in Cultibalota in a house 260 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: near his aunt Jiseppa Nicolo Martino's wife. We also know 261 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: that Vito had two children in the village that he 262 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: named after his mother and father, Antonino and Lorenza. 263 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 5: The children. The children this is interesting, which means that 264 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 5: they were also married here. So it was showing that 265 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 5: he was married with Vincenzo Leo and they had two children, 266 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 5: Lorenza and Antonino, so named after his parents. 267 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: After all of my research, there's no evidence of a trial, 268 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 2: there's no evidence of a continuing vendetta, and there is 269 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: absolutely no evidence that the other son, Giuseppe, returned and 270 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 2: avenged his mother. Now it's time to bring all of 271 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: this information back to the rest of the family. It's 272 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: time to tell them what I learned, because through all 273 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: of this I've started to build out some of my 274 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: own theories, and in classic Piazza fashion, I can't prove 275 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 2: all of them, but hey, maybe I am part Sicilian witch. 276 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: Maybe I know a few things, because Marianne was very 277 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: clear about one thing. She did tell me that she 278 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: believed that she could feel, that she could hear that 279 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 2: the Sicilian women who've passed the ghosts of those who 280 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: came before me, that they've been watching and helping me 281 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 2: along the way with both this true story and with 282 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 2: my novel, The Sicilian Inheritance. She told me that these 283 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 2: women have been desperate to have their real stories told, 284 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 2: the stories about their actual lives and not just the 285 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 2: ones that male relatives often chose to pass down. I 286 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: love it when the ghosts were helpful. 287 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: The hope they're very helpful. They are just here to 288 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: help us out with little things like murders. 289 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's call the family. I'm going to start 290 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 2: with my cousin Laura. Remember Laura. She was with me 291 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: in callt Balota when we went to the commune for 292 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 2: the first time and found Lorenzo's name in the death book. So, so, Laura, 293 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: I got to tell you, and I think I'm most 294 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: excited to talk to you about this because you were 295 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 2: with me. I don't think she was I don't think 296 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: she was murdered. I think it could have been an accident. 297 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 4: So I don't think happened and something natural event. 298 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,479 Speaker 2: So all right. So I've interviewed so many people in 299 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: the town and I mean the thing that left the 300 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: biggest impression on me is they're like, the Piazzas and 301 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 2: Marsalas have good names. 302 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 4: Let me just I was so happy to hear that. 303 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And they're like, if something crazy happened, we would 304 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: still know about it, we'd still be talking about it. 305 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: There's five hundred of us in this village and we're 306 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 2: pretty much all related. Yeah, So I don't know. I mean, 307 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 2: here's the thing, Laura. You were with me in the 308 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: town hall, and the place where they died was a 309 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: place where there were commonly landslides. It could have been 310 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: an accident. 311 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 4: When I don't meant to though, what how did they 312 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you this on the other death certificates, 313 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: when you saw things in the books, do they have 314 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 4: the reasons for others' deaths? 315 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 6: No? 316 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 4: Okay, so that was not no, right, wether than that that? Okay? 317 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I checked all the things that were 318 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: there to see what might be missing. 319 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 4: Right, I don't know, I really there's so many inconsistencies. 320 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 4: Joe I did the oral history on Aniana, and I 321 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: kind of feel that she would be the most reliable 322 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 4: since she was the oldest and she was closest to Grandpa, 323 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 4: and she didn't know and she didn't know it, right, 324 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: I know, he said the land. She was more towards 325 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 4: the land. And she didn't say mafia killed her. She 326 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 4: said she died over a land because she couldn't she 327 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 4: wouldn't sell the land. But there was the other theory 328 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 4: out there about her being some sort of healer. I 329 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 4: never heard about that Uncle Joe thing until way later. 330 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 2: Like, well, so all right, here's my theory on that. 331 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: I have a theory on that. No one seems to 332 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: know the Avenging Brother story until he comes back and 333 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 2: tells it himself. 334 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: So I think it's bull. 335 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: I think it's bold. I think that he I think 336 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: he went to war, and you know, war is hard, 337 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: and bad things, bad things probably happened, Yeah, and he 338 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 2: I think he wanted to come back a hero when 339 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: he returned to his family. Maybe yeah, and made that 340 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: story up, because I mean one the biggest thing is 341 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 2: Vito Piazza, Lorenza's son was back in Calta, marrying a 342 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 2: local girl and had two kids there during the time 343 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 2: period when Joe apparently went back and murdered someone. You 344 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: don't live in a town where your brother comes and 345 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: murders someone. So I contacted Vito's relatives all the way 346 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 2: down to like my my level. Right, they know nothing 347 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 2: about this story, and they were their ancestors were born 348 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 2: in Callablota like after ours, and they also don't know 349 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 2: about the murder. No other line of the family except 350 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 2: for ours, has any information about the murder. Then my 351 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 2: cousin Adrian hopped on the call and we filled her in, 352 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 2: and she agreed that maybe the whole family has been 353 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: twisting and turning and concocting. The story that they wanted 354 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: to tell about Lorenza just be a. 355 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 7: Story that they're telling each other, like for why she 356 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 7: didn't come back and why she never joined them, Like 357 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 7: this is just a story. It kind of got passed 358 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 7: around and then, like you said, like grew into this 359 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 7: bigger thing, and you know, she was started this guy 360 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 7: who may have been helping her. I don't know. 361 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 2: I think one day we will figure this out. I 362 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 2: do genuinely believe one day we will figure this out. 363 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,920 Speaker 2: But I don't know. I don't feel disappointed because I 364 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: think the coolest thing was like the story brought everyone 365 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: kind of back together to talk about it, and we've 366 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 2: learned about her life in a really cool way. 367 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 4: In a really cool way, maybe she really was killed 368 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 4: over land, and maybe maybe maybe if they did gin 369 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 4: they didn't want to. They did it secretly. Who knows, 370 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: they did. 371 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: It secretly, who knows? But we do know no one 372 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 2: else got the land because veto her son inherited the land. 373 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: So if they killed her because of land, they didn't 374 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: win and they didn't get it. 375 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 376 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: I was so worried through all of this that my 377 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: family was going to be pissed off that they wouldn't 378 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: accept the things that I learned, that they wouldn't like 379 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 2: it if the story got changed. And that wasn't the 380 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: case at all. 381 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe it was an affair, Like Cheryl said, I 382 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 4: don't know. 383 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: I mean, we're also dealing with old Sicilians. Maybe just 384 00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about it period. 385 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 2: That was my cousin, Chris Piazza. He just had a 386 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: newborn baby named Luca, not because Luca is a character 387 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,199 Speaker 2: in my book, but because it is a good Sicilian 388 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: name and one day Chris really wants to retire to Sicily. 389 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 2: Everyone was just curious in a really wonderful way, and 390 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 2: intrigued and open to new possibilities for what this story 391 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 2: can tell us about our family and best of all. 392 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: Best of all, I got reconnected to these cousins that 393 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: I haven't talked to in years. Now we are all 394 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: on a family text chain, some of us are on 395 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: a WhatsApp and we're planning a meetup. It's reinvigorated a 396 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: lot of us to actually spend more time together in 397 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: real life. I feel more connected to my extended family 398 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: than I have in a very very long time, and 399 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 2: I feel more connected to being an Italian American now. 400 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. It would have been really nice 401 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 2: to walk into that courthouse in Shaka, after we had 402 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 2: been petitioning them for a year to get into their 403 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: homicide records, to just pluck the smoking gun document for 404 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: a trial that detailed everything that happened to Lorenza and 405 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: exactly who killed her. Was a part of me imagining 406 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: some kind of emotional call with the defendants descendants where 407 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 2: we all waxed poetic on the importance of forgiveness maybe, 408 00:26:48,480 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 2: but that's not what this story was about. A couple 409 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: of weeks ago, I went to Milwaukee to speak at 410 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 2: an Italian American festival, and to my surprise, First Lady, 411 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: Doctor Jill Biden was speaking right before me. I did 412 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: not know that she was Sicilian American. 413 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 6: So even though my grandparents' names had changed, they brought 414 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 6: their values across the Atlantic and they stayed the same, 415 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 6: the values that we all hold loyalty, generosity, kindness, faith, 416 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 6: and I brought my Italian values to with. 417 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 4: Me to the White House. 418 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 6: And it is the absolute honor to serve as the 419 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 6: first Italian American First Lady. 420 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: As I was listening to doctor Biden talk about her heritage, 421 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: I was seeing all of these other Italian Americans in 422 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,719 Speaker 2: the crowd nodding along, their eyes welling up. I started 423 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: getting kind of teary. I felt more connected to my 424 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 2: roots and to my own family stories in our legacy 425 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 2: than I ever have before, and that's not nothing for 426 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: a third generation American. Mut By the time that doctor 427 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 2: Biden left that stage, I was snop crying, and I 428 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: gave my daughter, who does not look Italian at all, 429 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: this huge hug, and I was just so happy to 430 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: get to pass this legacy of Lorenza's story down to her. 431 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: When I got on that stage and I told this 432 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: story of the Sicilian inheritance, I imagined my dad watching 433 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: me give this speech to an entire festival of Italian Americans, 434 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: many of them Sicilians, from a massive stage in front 435 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 2: of one of the great lakes, And all I could 436 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: think was he would have been so proud. John Piazza, 437 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: I really feel like I made you proud. I did you, 438 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: good man. I did my family. All of my family members, 439 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 2: they know her name now. They know her name was Lorenza. 440 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: All of you know her name now. We told the 441 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 2: story of her life instead of the story of how 442 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: she died. Together, we went to her house, We learned 443 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: about her family. We know that she was an independent, 444 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: bad ass woman, buying her own land, paying for each 445 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 2: of her children to set sail for America. How many 446 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 2: women like Lorenza have had their stories forgotten because they 447 00:29:52,760 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 2: never had the power to share them too many? That 448 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: that is my real Sicilian inheritance. 449 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 5: Wangoo, very night. 450 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: I have a lot of people to thank for this podcast. 451 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: I should probably start with my dad, John Piazza. I 452 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 2: want to thank my entire family. There's too many of 453 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 2: you to name, but you all know who you are. 454 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 2: You Piazzas and Marsala's, you storytellers and you scoundrels. I 455 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: want to say a big thanks to Chiro Grillo for 456 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 2: being my guide and my family's guide for all of 457 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: these years, even if you didn't believe us in the 458 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: beginning until we found out about Nikolo Martino. But now 459 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 2: you're bought in, aren't you. I want to say thanks 460 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: to the entire town of Cadovalota. Thank you to my husband, 461 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: Nick Aster for entertaining the idea of taking our three 462 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: young children to Sicily to solve a murder mystery. And 463 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 2: Kate Osborne, our fearless producer who came on our family 464 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,959 Speaker 2: vacation without ever having met us. You will be our 465 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 2: friend for the rest of our lives. You're stuck with us. 466 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 2: Thank you to Mengesh Heitikidor, who knew from the very 467 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: beginning that this would be a wonderful story. To our 468 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: entire wonderful production team. You really made this show sing. 469 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: And finally, thank you to Laura Lee, our intrepid researcher 470 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: of Laura Lee at Digging up Roots in the Boot 471 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 2: and Giovanni Vacanti from the Shaka Archives. He's still digging, guys, 472 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 2: he is still digging. The Sicilian Inheritance is a Kaleidoscope 473 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 2: production in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The series is produced 474 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 2: by Jenkinney, Kate Osborne, Dara Potts and me Joe Piazza, 475 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 2: with key help from Laura Lee Watson of Digging Up 476 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: Your Roots in the Boot and Chiro Grillow of Sicily Roots. 477 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: Many thanks to Julia Paraviccini and the Ancestry dot com 478 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: research department. You can get your copy of The Sicilian 479 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 2: Inheritance the novel right now at Truly anywhere that you 480 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: get your books. Anywhere you get your books. It's got 481 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 2: the same name as the podcast, but with more food, 482 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 2: wine and sets. Also, do not forget to get a 483 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: taste of Sicily in the form of delicious Sicilian olive 484 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 2: oil at Cardena's tap room. Make sure to check out 485 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: our show notes for a link to buy it, or 486 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: if you find yourself in Philly just stop by. Our 487 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: executive producers are Kate Osborne, Manga Shatikador costas Lino's and 488 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 2: Oz Walloshan from iHeart Executive producers are Katrina Norvell and 489 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: Nikki Etour. We also want to thank Will Pearson, connel Byrne, 490 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 2: Bob Hitman and John Mary novelists