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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I can't help myself.

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Speaker 1: As tried as it is. I used to really loathe

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Speaker 1: the thought that Christmas was around the corner, because it

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Speaker 1: always meant buying gifts, and it always meant me having

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Speaker 1: till the last minute to accomplish those tasks. But something

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Speaker 1: has changed in me. I'm a grandfather now, and now

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait for Christmas to come around because the

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Speaker 1: circle is complete. Can you imagine going to Florida to

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Speaker 1: celebrate perhaps Christmas with your wife. You're hanging out in

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Speaker 1: a house you live in New Jersey. You've escaped the

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Speaker 1: cold weather and you're headed down south to sunny Florida,

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Speaker 1: and you're just going to relax and enjoy the Christmas season.

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Speaker 1: And on the night of December the twentieth, nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: a couple were seated in their home in Flagler County, Florida.

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Speaker 1: And there's a beautiful window with little panes that have

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Speaker 1: been placed in the window of Christmas images, Santa Claus

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Speaker 1: and Christmas trees, and all of a sudden, that window

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Speaker 1: just explodes. You're sitting in your chair, you're watching television,

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Speaker 1: and it explodes as a result of bullets passing through it,

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Speaker 1: and suddenly your life ends. Today we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about the brutal homicides of Robert and Georgiatt sternfalls on

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Speaker 1: the night of December the twentieth, nineteen eighty nine. I'm

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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks Dave mac. Are

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Speaker 1: you a fan of Christmas? Do you like Christmas? Yes?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 1: You do? Yeah? Well I do too, man.

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Speaker 2: I've actually never been asked that question as an adult.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah. And it's a different way of looking at it.

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Speaker 1: When you're a kid they ask you that question. Of

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Speaker 1: course on forty out of your mind, of course I

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Speaker 1: like Christmas. But as an adult you start to I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It's just me. I sit there and I think,

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Speaker 1: oh God, it used to be such a labor But now, man,

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Speaker 1: when you get grandbabies, it's such a cool thing. It

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Speaker 1: really is for me at least.

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Speaker 2: And also one of the things about Christmas specifically that

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Speaker 2: causes our memories as we get older, to get bigger

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Speaker 2: and more loving, is because it tends to remind us

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Speaker 2: of very special times when we were a child, and

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Speaker 2: of those times, and that's a very warm thing. So

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Speaker 2: there's multiple things going into the whole Christmas spere beyond

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Speaker 2: just the active gift giving that as an adult, it's

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Speaker 2: which credit card to we used to buy this with?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate to beat that cynical about it. I

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Speaker 1: really have Dave, and I'm chief among sinners in that area.

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Speaker 1: But you know, now, you get a little bit older

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Speaker 1: and you get a few miles on the tires and

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Speaker 1: you think, wow, this is really a great opportunity to

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Speaker 1: be together as a family and to celebrate, right.

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Speaker 2: And that's what I mean. As you get older, you

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Speaker 2: recognize those things. When you're younger, you don't because you're

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Speaker 2: a kid. But then even when you first have children,

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Speaker 2: you remember this. When you're a young parent, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of stress involved with Christmas. It's only after you

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Speaker 2: get older. And that's why I have such a loving,

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Speaker 2: wonderful feeling when I think of Christmas. It reminds me

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Speaker 2: no longer with us, and that's why it's so special.

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Speaker 2: And of course, you know you mentioned grandchildren. This is

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Speaker 2: the time for Pop Paull to show off. What do

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And I wonder thinking about Robert and Georgiette.

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Speaker 1: They had made the trip down from their New Jersey

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Speaker 1: The case is horrible anyway, all right, But what is

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Speaker 2: Dave going to Florida. It's almost a right of passage.

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Speaker 2: Once you reach a certain age, you go there for

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And with regard to the Strumfells, they are fifty

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Speaker 2: six and fifty five years old. They're just relaxing. It's

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Speaker 2: this man, Lewis Gaskins has been referred to as the

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Speaker 2: quote unquote ninja killer that somehow romanticizes the fact that

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Speaker 2: this guy is a cold blooded killer that decided to

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Speaker 2: do his Christmas shopping while committing the most heinous act

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Speaker 2: of murder one can imagine backing up here, a twenty

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Speaker 2: two caliber rifle. I've always thought of that weapon as

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Speaker 2: one step up from a pellet gun. I've never thought

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Speaker 1: Are, because when you look at the spectrum and there's

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Speaker 1: It's point two two and so it's it's very tiny.

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Speaker 1: But also keep this in mind, we fire around in

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Speaker 1: roughly the same diameter as the twenty two. It has

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Speaker 1: It cracks the wind it's fired. But when you go

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Speaker 1: you have to nestle this thing into your shoulder. Now

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Speaker 1: you can conceal it. Look, man, if you're walking down

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Speaker 2: You bottom line, As you mentioned, carrying that rifle in

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Speaker 2: broad daylight would bring about a lot of attention. But

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Speaker 2: in the case of Lewis Gaskin, on this particular night,

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Speaker 2: it was dark. It was bedtime, and he was not

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Speaker 2: He parked his car a ways away, and the home

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Speaker 2: where Robert and Georgia at Strumfells you know we're staying

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Speaker 2: at it. It was your escape from New York. And

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Speaker 2: that's why it was even more than just sitting at

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Speaker 2: It was their getaway home. This was their peaceful environment.

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Speaker 2: They probably looked forward for months before they could go

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Speaker 2: to their winter or to their Florida home, their escape.

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Speaker 2: In their living room, in particular, mister Sternfel's George or

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Speaker 2: Robert rather is sitting in his recliner and I'm picturing

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Speaker 2: You're just relaxing, and you mentioned the blast of the window.

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Speaker 2: Lewis Gaskins had parked his car down a ways from

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Speaker 2: so that he can take them out from outside. That's

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Speaker 2: the part about this that really shocked me, Joe, that

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Speaker 2: Lewis Gaskin planned on shooting out the window to take

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Speaker 2: out the stern Fells. And when he takes that first

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Speaker 2: shot with his twenty two caliber rifle, he shoots directly

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Speaker 2: He then shoots a second time and sees Georgett's stern

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Speaker 2: He then breaks out the window the rest of the way,

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Speaker 2: He then puts another shot in the head of mister Sternfells,

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Speaker 2: up Joe, and all like think of is his last

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Speaker 2: moment was what in the world just happened? Bam bam,

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Speaker 2: bam so fast. His wife is trying to crawl her way,

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Speaker 2: and Lewis Gaskin goes around the house. He's looking in

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Speaker 2: So we've got two murdered individuals.

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Speaker 1: And in that moment, those final moments of their lives,

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Speaker 1: as they are bleeding out, as Missus Stemfells is lying

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Speaker 1: in the hallway, Gaskins enters the home and robs them,

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Speaker 1: literally robs them, and their lives were exchanged for lamps, VCRs,

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Speaker 1: cash and a bit of jewelry. Just because you're shot

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that your life immediately hints. That's again a

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Speaker 1: There's an awareness many times that people have been shot.

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Speaker 1: There are other times when people are shot in fact,

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Speaker 1: for the most part, depended upon where you were shot,

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Speaker 1: there is a high probability you're going to feel it.

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Speaker 1: In the case particularly of missus Sturmfels, she had an awareness.

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Speaker 1: I think something came up about what was it, Dave,

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the noise that she made as she was dying.

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Speaker 2: He actually compared the gurgling sound to that of a dog,

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Speaker 2: a dog that you were taking out. The reason we

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Speaker 2: know a lot of what took place, Joe is this

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Speaker 2: career criminal. By the way, he was a young guy.

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Speaker 2: You know, Gaskins was only what twenty two years old

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Speaker 2: He already knew he was going to shoot from the outside.

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Speaker 2: And Joe, when you do that, when somebody shoots through

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Speaker 1: You're right on all those points. And let me break

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Speaker 1: what you did when you mentioned the nature of the glass.

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Speaker 1: Glass is fascinating. We can learn a lot from it.

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Speaker 1: First off, you mentioned the nature of the glass flying

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have optimum aerodynamic qualities. So you've got static

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Speaker 1: Now that's safety glass. Their entire courses taught in glass

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Speaker 2: And when this actually transpired, Joe, we had mister Sternfel's

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Speaker 2: And that's when Lewis Gaskins shoots her for the first time.

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Speaker 2: Right there, when she realizes something bad has just now

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Speaker 2: Now she is hit sternfels and I don't know how

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Speaker 2: now know. Gaskins grabs his knife from his pocket, cuts

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Speaker 1: He executes him, Yeah, he does. In this confession that

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Speaker 1: something to that effect. First off, how do you know

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Speaker 2: It does? I did that pass me. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you were out shooting dogs before

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Speaker 1: It seems this is more than likely a shot that

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Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, Dave, I think that it was

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Speaker 2: The saddest part of crime is the mot evading factor

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Speaker 2: that began this whole What took place? Yeah, it was

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Speaker 2: What did criminals do? They don't go to the store

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Speaker 2: some of the things he stole were fairly odd. Who

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Speaker 1: The conflating of the joy of Christmas with multiple homicide

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Speaker 2: Now, to give it a very quick overview, we mentioned

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Speaker 2: He covered their bodies with blankets and then burglarized the house,

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Speaker 2: taking lamps, VCR's cash, jewelry, things like that. I don't

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Speaker 2: He wanted them to know that he was going to

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Speaker 2: wouldn't it make sense to sneak into a house, catch

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Speaker 2: he starts throwing logs rocks at the side of the

430
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: house on the roof, trying to wake them up. After

431
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: a couple of times of doing this, Finally, Joseph Rector, honey,

432
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: I got this. He gets up to go and see

433
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: what's going on, and it's when he gets back in

434
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: the den that's when Gaskins starts shooting again. That's when

435
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 2: he actually shoots from the outside. He shoots directors. But

436
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 2: in this particular case, mister and missus gas. Yeah, they

437
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: were scared, they were shocked, but they managed to escape.

438
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: They got out of the house, they got in the car,

439
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: and Lewis Gaskin's while they're taking off down the road

440
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: in their car, he's shooting at them. He's shooting at

441
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 2: their car. They go to the hospital. But you know what,

442
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: bless their hearts, Joseph and Mary Rector, they were actually suspects.

443
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: They didn't make any sense. Their story didn't make sense

444
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: to the local police.

445
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: You hear a story like this, Where can you imagine

446
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 1: you're sitting there and you're talking to the police and

447
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: you're telling.

448
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: On ninja guys, somebody dressed all in black in the

449
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: middle of the night.

450
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's throwing items at our house and we

451
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: heard these noises. I get up and of course, speaking

452
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: for mister Rector here, and he gets shot. He shot

453
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: one time now, how in the world they were able

454
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: to escape that home, I have no idea. And they

455
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: were able to get to their car and get on

456
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Speaker 1: the road. And as in this you talk about being embolden,

457
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: can you, And it's like something out of some crazy

458
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 1: Hollywood trope. He steps out into the road and begins

459
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: firing at their car as they're driving away. I can

460
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: only imagine if you're this man and woman the Rectors,

461
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, what in the world have we done?

462
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: You're thinking, who could I have harmed to this degree?

463
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: Where my car is now, I've been struck by a bullet.

464
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm in fear that my life is at its end.

465
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: My wife is here in the vehicle with me. We're

466
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Speaker 1: heading out, maybe she's driving. We're trying to make it

467
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: to a point of safety. And then they're saying that

468
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 1: in some way we're involved in this. I don't know

469
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: in recent memory if I remember hearing someone being drawn out.

470
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 1: And that's the really kind of dark part of this.

471
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: A while back you mentioned the word hunting. You're literally

472
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: drawing your prey out so that you can essentially bag them.

473
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: Was it all about taking from these people or was

474
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: it taking their lives? Is that what you're about, because

475
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: it kind of sounds that way to me. It sounds

476
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: as though that, yeah, you're going to take these worthless

477
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: trinkets from the home, but you were more about trying

478
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: to hunt them and kill them. And I really wonder

479
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: what the motivation behind that was. And it's quite striking

480
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: to me. He had an awareness. I think he had

481
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: an awareness that he had done wrong. You'd mentioned going

482
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: back to Stormfells. He covered their bodies with blankets. We

483
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: talk about face covering and death investigation, and that sometimes

484
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: gives us one of two answers here when we're looking

485
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: at trying to understand who may have done this. First off,

486
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: it gives you an idea that they may have been

487
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: known by the perpetrator, or the perpetrator has an awareness

488
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: of their guilt because they're shame involved in it, and

489
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: so they're going to cover the bodies because they know

490
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: what they've done. I mean, this is you don't get

491
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: to use this term very often anymore, but this is

492
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: dastardly what has taken place, and their lives are at

493
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: an end, just laying there on the floor in that home.

494
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,479
Speaker 2: Back to the storm Fells, when mister sternfelt is shot,

495
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: it says, in the first time, the shot in the chest,

496
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: he comes up out of the chair. He gets shot

497
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: a second time and that drops him back down. But

498
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: somehow he is able. I don't know how, And that's

499
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: why I wanted to ask you, if you're shot twice

500
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: by a twenty two, what is allowing him? I mean,

501
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: the guy shot in the chest, at least we know

502
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: that what kind of wound is he going to have?

503
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: What's going on inside his body with that twenty two shot,

504
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: that still allows him to get back up and to

505
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: try to get to his wife.

506
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: All of this is going to be depended upon placement

507
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 1: of the shot, the location anatomically obviously, if an individual,

508
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: let's just say you're shot in the torso, if you're

509
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: hitting the heart, it's going to bring your life to

510
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: an end pretty quickly. But again, like Georgette Sternfell, she's

511
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: shot in the long dave. That is a languishchine way

512
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: to die. To be gut shot or shot in the lung,

513
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: you're not going to die immediately, so you're still struggling,

514
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: You're still able to uptake oxygen at that point in time,

515
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: and there's evidence of that with missus Stermfeld, because you know,

516
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: she's bleeding out, wheezing, you know, in the hallway, she

517
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: still had life in her And to that point with

518
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: her husband, Robert, you're thinking, well, yeah, he was shot

519
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: in the chest, but was it a lung strike with him?

520
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: You can be shot initially and it not strike any

521
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: major organs that does happen in fact, or if it

522
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: strikes an organ it might not be as catastrophic as

523
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: other gunshot wounds might be. Now he shot twice, we know,

524
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: and then he is executed. Now and when I say executed,

525
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: that's a term that we kind of throw around quite

526
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: a bit relative to folks will say an execution style shooting.

527
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: And what does that mean. Well, traditionally, what that means

528
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: is that you're going to walk up behind somebody and

529
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: shoot them in the back of their head with you

530
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: and a dominant you universal you being the perpetrator shooting

531
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: them in the head. And that's quite fascinating. But you know,

532
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: all through this drama that night, that dark, cold night,

533
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: you're thinking about his preparation. You've got a guy that's

534
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: dressed all in black. He's trying to, for whatever reason,

535
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: blend into the night. He shows up with a weapon

536
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: in hand. Now certainly an interesting weapon, to say the

537
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: very least to commit such crime. A twenty two caliber rifle.

538
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: You don't hear that very often. And he is standing

539
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: outside of the house. He's not certainly man enough to

540
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: break into the house and go toe to toe with

541
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: an older couple. He doesn't even have that kind of

542
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: intestinal fortitude. He stands outside the house and fires through

543
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: glass and shoots them. They were innocent victims sitting there

544
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: in their chair, I mean, just completely unaware that their

545
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: life was about to end, and the same way with

546
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: the rectors. To a lesser degree. They survived. But you

547
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: feel the safest at night, don't you, Dave, When you

548
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: all snuggle down in your bed, you've turned the lights out,

549
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: you're getting ready to close your eyes, maybe to get

550
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: some sleep, and then all of a sudden you're hearing

551
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: something raining down on your house or glass is breaking out.

552
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: And how evil do you have to be in order

553
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: to draw somebody out, probably in their pajamas, and then

554
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: shoot them down. And you're in a position of cover

555
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: where you're going to do this. It's not like you're

556
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: going to head with somebody that's armed and you're firing

557
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: at them like this, and that's what makes this so

558
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: very ominous. I think, you know, you kind of dig

559
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: through this and you think about, well, what was this,

560
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: Why would you be motivated at this point in time

561
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: to do it. Gaskin's made an interesting quote, Dave, and

562
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: this is him saying this. He admitted this to the

563
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: police when they questioned him, and he stated that the

564
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: night that he committed these heinous acts, that, in fact,

565
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing, that the devil had more of him

566
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: that night than God did. And that's certainly an interesting

567
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: point because this was in fact pure evil. On April

568
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: the twelfth, twenty twenty three, Lewis Bernard Gaskin, otherwise known

569
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: as the Ninja Killer, was pronounced dead at Florida State

570
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: Penitentiary at six fifteen pm after dying from lethal injection.

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Speaker 1: I'm Joseph S. Gott Morgan and this is body backs