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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Grading. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined us always with our super producer

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Speaker 1: Alexis code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It's the top of the week,

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Speaker 1: which means it is time to explore some strange news,

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Speaker 1: some things that don't make it above the fold, as

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Speaker 1: the old school journalists say, some things that will be

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Speaker 1: important in the years to come, and some things perhaps

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Speaker 1: explored in a way that hasn't been explored even if

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Speaker 1: it's been mentioned. We're going to talk about some kind

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Speaker 1: of dark stuff today. So I wanted to to kick

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Speaker 1: off first with a disclaimer. The very first part of

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Speaker 1: this week's segment, uh maybe graphic. It may not be

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Speaker 1: You can speed past. We have more stuff ahead, but

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Speaker 1: we want to give you that heads up. Always We're

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Speaker 1: touching subjects of a sensitive nature in terms of like

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Speaker 1: good stuff levity. I wanted to say, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you guys saw it, but justice has been done

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Speaker 1: in that great maple syrupice. They caught the guy. He's

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Speaker 1: got to repay millions. That was a real sticky situation.

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Speaker 1: Like they they saw his photo shoot and they were like,

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Speaker 1: are Yeah, I know the type, I know the style.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a genre. It's just a warning to everybody

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Speaker 1: just you know, think think before you post with your

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Speaker 1: the last piece of levity I'll add is it looks

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Speaker 1: So why are we telling you all this good news, folks,

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Speaker 1: Because we want we want to avoid things being absolutely

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Speaker 1: over the growing overwhelming evidence of war crimes. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I you know, I brought this one to the table

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429
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Speaker 1: a known thing, uh, and the US is no exception.

430
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Speaker 1: But pretty much most people thought that, hey, folks are amorous,

431
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Speaker 1: and if you lock them up together, they're just gonna

432
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Speaker 1: They're just gonna start breeding like rabbits. As the old

433
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: cliche goes, it's sort of the opposite of like a

434
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Speaker 1: couple of things happened in the opposite of what people

435
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Speaker 1: might have predicted, Like I think because so many people

436
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Speaker 1: were out of work, uh, and there was so much

437
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Speaker 1: financial you know, iffiness, that we thought people would not

438
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Speaker 1: be buying houses, there would be a housing bust, but

439
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: instead there was a housing boom, and then the opposite

440
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Speaker 1: avoit where you would have thought the would be a

441
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Speaker 1: baby boom. If there was this baby bust, It's like,

442
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Speaker 1: you can't predict this stuff. It's things. Uh, things have

443
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Speaker 1: a way of having a life of their own, you know. Yeah.

444
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Speaker 1: That's why I opened with talking about the housing stuff

445
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Speaker 1: in the beginning, because I think I think those are

446
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Speaker 1: two of the biggest production predictions that people kind of

447
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 1: got wrong, and a lot a lot of folks were

448
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: optimistic and thinking, hey, maybe this is the first year

449
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: I can buy a house, but pretty one war wondering

450
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Speaker 1: why that still is such a struggle for so many people.

451
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Speaker 1: Check out our episode on for an investment the housing market,

452
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: uh it's and check out our well, check out our

453
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: upcoming episode on investment companies. Domestic investment companies were multinationals

454
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: who were buying up entire suburbs and turn them into

455
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Speaker 1: rental properties. Anyway, there's there's going through that right now,

456
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: experiencing that firsthand, trying to get place to rent and

457
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Speaker 1: trying to find a place to rent. And they're all

458
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Speaker 1: owned by open Door or uh Zilo, whatever these companies are,

459
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Speaker 1: and they're all like, they're all houses that I was

460
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Speaker 1: looking at too, maybe buy one day phin in the sky,

461
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Speaker 1: and now they're all owned by a company. In for

462
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Speaker 1: I had a I was gonna have an appointment to

463
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Speaker 1: look at this house that I liked, and the very

464
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Speaker 1: next day I gotta call back. Oh, sorry, they already

465
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Speaker 1: sold it to a developer who made a cash offer.

466
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Speaker 1: It's like, how do you They also, yeah, waiving the

467
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Speaker 1: inspection the developer. They don't care about the inspection because

468
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Speaker 1: you're just gonna rent it and then they'll just take

469
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Speaker 1: care of things piece of meal as you have find

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Speaker 1: a problem that's bad enough to report. M That's kind

471
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Speaker 1: of why I've held out of fund some things too.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Maybe I'll just buy an RV

473
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,719
Speaker 1: and just live off the grid ish. Well, Uh, you

474
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: can see multiple studies that indicate these trends and and

475
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Speaker 1: factor in all these variables that are affecting us here.

476
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Speaker 1: But one thing that you can take from this is

477
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Speaker 1: that these sorts of changes, even if they seem small

478
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Speaker 1: in the short term, they have huge long tail effects

479
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Speaker 1: intergenerational stuff. You know, if you think of like, okay,

480
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Speaker 1: let's say fewer people in the US are having children

481
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Speaker 1: during the pandemic. Right now, we don't know how much

482
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Speaker 1: that how much of a shift that represents, because remember

483
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Speaker 1: population right rates were already falling a bit. It could

484
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Speaker 1: lead to and economic boom like the Roaring twenties after

485
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Speaker 1: the flu pandemic of hit there was there was an

486
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Speaker 1: economic boom, or it could lead to um a system

487
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Speaker 1: of two America's. You could see, families who were hit

488
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Speaker 1: hard by the pandemic may be less likely to have

489
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Speaker 1: children for quite a while. Right and this is not

490
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Speaker 1: even talking about, uh, the great financial grift of student loans, right. Uh.

491
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Speaker 1: And then you might see that there were people who

492
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Speaker 1: were less affected or maybe they were an industry that

493
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Speaker 1: benefited in some way from this pandemic, and they may

494
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Speaker 1: be therefore more likely to have children. And then there's

495
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Speaker 1: the third possibility that it just doesn't really matter. It's

496
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Speaker 1: a little blip. The world moves on and things just

497
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Speaker 1: continue on their mad cap capering dance to the end.

498
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Speaker 1: But without going into stuff I was interested in this,

499
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Speaker 1: I read way too much about this. Um. Also, I

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Speaker 1: was mean that life expectancy has been affected. It's dropped

501
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Speaker 1: just through the law of big numbers because of the

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Speaker 1: deaths due to COVID and the demographics most likely to

503
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Speaker 1: die from that infection or related things. This takes us

504
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: to the thing that I wanted to ask you guys about.

505
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what what your thoughts are. Do

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Speaker 1: you know any pandemic babies? Know anybody has been born

507
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Speaker 1: during this time? Yeah, well we know several people in

508
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Speaker 1: the Heart family and uh and our maybe our friend

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Speaker 1: groups who have had children. But it's probably not the

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Speaker 1: same frequency that it just would have been on a

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Speaker 1: regular year, um for a regular couple of years. Guys,

512
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Speaker 1: I've seen this movie before TV show it was Yes, yes,

513
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Speaker 1: it was it was that movie. It was also Utopia.

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Speaker 1: I've seen this movie before. Yeah, this is well, you know,

515
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Speaker 1: you never know how how much we how much, well,

516
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Speaker 1: how much of the writing is done by the actual

517
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Speaker 1: writers and then like the producers who come in with

518
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Speaker 1: their opinions. Uh, I walked down the street for that one.

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Speaker 1: But in general, um, what may happen is that as

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Speaker 1: the economy improves, there may be more children born because

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Speaker 1: people were waiting. You have to remember, you know, if

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Speaker 1: you're listening to this and you are of a certain generation,

523
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Speaker 1: I have to remember the folks who are younger than you,

524
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Speaker 1: they're the ones who are actually going through life uphill

525
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Speaker 1: in the snow in this regard, because there are wages

526
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: have stagnated, the cost of everything imaginable has increased, and

527
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Speaker 1: they're carrying burdens that didn't exist in the same way

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Speaker 1: in previous generations. So if the economy turns around somehow,

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Speaker 1: then we may see a a b boom because people

530
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Speaker 1: have been postponing this stuff, will all of a sudden say, hey,

531
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Speaker 1: now we can afford a kid. Now we don't have

532
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Speaker 1: to uh worry about practicing birth control now we now

533
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: we will be able to ensure that we and our

534
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Speaker 1: child have our children have the kind of lives we

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Speaker 1: would want them to have, and there may be more room.

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Speaker 1: Let me just end on this when we talk. When

537
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about big consequences, I'm talking about stuff that

538
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: will become apparent in about a parent that will become

539
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: obvious in about twenty to twenty five years. For instance,

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Speaker 1: Just consider this. The COVID nineteen pandemic alone and is,

541
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Speaker 1: according to Population Development Review, reduced the world's collective life

542
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: expectancy everybody by about two years overall. So this is alone,

543
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: right well, because of stress, because of dying from COVID,

544
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: because of COVID related things. When the infrastructure fails like

545
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: this did hit everybody, even if you never contracted COVID,

546
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: even if you never um lost your job or felt

547
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: influenced by it like this. The reason I say this

548
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: is strange news is I would argue this is news

549
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: that civilization has yet to understand and probably will not

550
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: for several years. We don't even know when the variants

551
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: are going to stop. It's like DJ Khalid's in charge

552
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: of these, you know what I mean, There's always another one.

553
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: I make no apologies for that joke. However, the man.

554
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: The man is quite prolific, It's true, has his name

555
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: in the song No I'll tell you my buddy Matt Riddle,

556
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Speaker 1: friend of the show early days of covid have the

557
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: prescient idea to lock down the domain name dj covid nineteen. Uh.

558
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: He's also playing a long game here, so you know,

559
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: we'll see, We'll see when that one comes around he

560
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Speaker 1: can sell that for from mint. Yeah, big Bed a

561
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: big fanom mr Riddle. Uh. And we want to at

562
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: this point, I especially want to hear from new parents

563
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: in the crowd, and I want to hear from folks

564
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: who are who have made the decision to uh, to

565
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: hold off from having kids or to hold off from

566
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: enlarging your family unit in one way or another, whether

567
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: that's having additional children, whether that's adopting. What have you? Uh?

568
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: What has your experience been, What advice would you have

569
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Speaker 1: for other people who may be in a similar situation.

570
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: And what do you think these sorts of rises and

571
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: falls in birth rates and death rates? What do you

572
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: think this means for the world overall, the world in

573
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: which future conspiracy realist well hopefully grow up and hopefully succeed.

574
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Speaker 1: Let us know when A three three sdd w y

575
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Speaker 1: t K. You can also find us conspiracy at I

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Speaker 1: heart radio dot com. A pause for a word from

577
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: our sponsors and will return with more strange news, and

578
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: we've returned. So guys, somebody explained to me how world

579
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: population decline is a bad thing. I know, we just

580
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: did the whole segment. I feel like that's, uh, that's

581
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Speaker 1: what the creators of the the monuments want us to do. Right, Yeah,

582
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: well the right now. It's it's crazy because it's it's

583
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: an issue of inequality, you know what I mean, like humanity.

584
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: I've said it before. It's the worst group project ever

585
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: because you got all the stuff you can give it. Like,

586
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: everyone can be okay. It is a matter of logistics

587
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: and arguably ideology, but everyone can be okay. Uh, decline

588
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: in human population honestly is better for every other living

589
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: thing on the planet, virtually every other living thing. These

590
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: have an organically we don't need like bringing about with

591
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 1: some sort of weird you know, eugenics virus that we release,

592
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, or like uh, engineered mosquitoes were vaccine anyway,

593
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 1: So if you believe that the guy a hypothesis, then

594
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: the planet cooks up its own kind of immune response, right,

595
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: is exactly. But oh, we all saw the happening. We

596
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: know what goes on in those trees. The Bible I mean,

597
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, our most of it good bits anyway. Yeah,

598
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: I was joking there when I said the vaccine that

599
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: was a reference to Utopia. By the way, that is

600
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Speaker 1: not me stating anything about the m r any virus.

601
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: Cut it out of contact stock. We're keeping just that line.

602
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: Don't do it, don't do it. You're going You're going

603
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: somewhere with this. I'm going somewhere. So we're ben we

604
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: we talked in the last segment about people who are

605
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Speaker 1: being responsible and making that choice, like I'm I choose,

606
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: I choose to take the actions that will either allow

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Speaker 1: me and my partner whoever that maybe to have a

608
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: child or to take on a new child to take

609
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Speaker 1: care of or not. Right, I'll make those choices if

610
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't want that. Um, not everybody does that. It

611
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: doesn't always work out that way exactly. But there are

612
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: things that humanity has invented in a pretty awesome fashion

613
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: that can assist us in making those decisions if we

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Speaker 1: want to have offspring at this very moment or not.

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Speaker 1: Because as you as we also talked about, people like

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Speaker 1: to um get it on often up yes, at least

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00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: two and historically humanity has put it on uh those

618
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: with ovaries to be the ones who actually have to

619
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Speaker 1: take action to prevent pregnancy from occurring if intercourse is

620
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: also happening, right, and just that, can I just say

621
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Speaker 1: we say humanity, let's be uh, we're tying in the patriarchy. Sure, sure,

622
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Speaker 1: we'll give the patriarchy. Yes, we'll give the pills that

623
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: are hormonal in nature that do affect the person, will

624
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Speaker 1: give them to h to those with overreason. I'm gonna

625
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: say it like that because I'm gonna read from a

626
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: Smithsonian magazine article that refers to this new type of

627
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: birth control we're gonna describe as for those with testies.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really interesting way to refer to

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Speaker 1: it as um. So here it comes. Boy, I'm sorry,

630
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: that was so cheap, so cheap, I'm not gonna say that. What.

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Speaker 1: I'm all right, we can leave that in no half measures.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man, Okay, every here we go, Here we go.

633
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: The title is male birth control pill expected to start

634
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Speaker 1: human trials this year. Subtitle the new hormonal pill was

635
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Speaker 1: effective at preventing pregnancy in mice. It's written by Karin Wetzel.

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00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: It was posted on March two, and it describes a

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Speaker 1: brand new pill that is being tested, which is non

638
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: hormonal and is meant to be taken by males, biological males.

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Speaker 1: Those who have test these uh to prevent sperm production,

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Speaker 1: and well it's really too lower, too steiny sperm production

641
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: to lower it two levels where that person is effectively

642
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: sterile while they are taking the pill. UH. The pill

643
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: allegedly at least in the trials on mice, after it

644
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: is not given or you know, if you're not taking

645
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: the dose for about six weeks, that subject that mail

646
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: is now as virile as they were prior to taking

647
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: the pill ever in the first place, so they can

648
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: then sire babies. UM. If this does work on humans,

649
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 1: this would be an amazing alternative for everyone who has

650
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: ever UM I don't know, uh, any woman who's ever

651
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: been on birth control, any person who has ever used

652
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: a condom before, any person who's ever had sex and

653
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: didn't want to get pregnant and use whatever method. This

654
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: could be amazing because it would not only put the

655
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: responsibility in those with testes hands, but would uh the

656
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 1: fact that as non hormonal means it's not going to

657
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: disrupt the human in in ways that current UM pregnancy

658
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: prevention does make yeah, and it's also reversible. So it's

659
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: a lot of people with testes may may balk at

660
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: the idea of undergoing a surgical procedure like a vasectomy, right, Uh,

661
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: because which is which is? But yeah, terrifying, much more

662
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: difficult to reverse. Uh, and it is possible that there

663
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: can be problems in the initial vasectomy in a reversal

664
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: or you know, you continue down the line of getting

665
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: it done and then replaced continued. Anybody colloquially referring to

666
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: getting snipped is just not that doesn't do it for me.

667
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: It feels a little care, feels a little casual. If

668
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: if it's someone who's received VEX vasecto me saying that,

669
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: then I'm like, all right, you earned it. You can

670
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: you can be glib about it. But if there's somewhat

671
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: if you're talking with a doctor and they're like, well

672
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: and just get the old snip snip, I would be like,

673
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: you're a kind of a little casual for a doctor. Uh.

674
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: But but not like this. These are still trials. So

675
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: it's important for us to say like, it's not something

676
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: you can buy your local Dwayne read or Um crocodile

677
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: boot store today. Uh, but do they do they have

678
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: any idea about when when this might see the light,

679
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: Like what what kind of regulatory and testing hurdles does

680
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: it have to go through? I imagine they're pretty extensive.

681
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: Are they at human testing? Yet they're going into human

682
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 1: testing this year, so clinical trials, trying to be in testing, testing, testing, testing. Yes,

683
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: you're being you're bearing the lead here though. The twist

684
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 1: is you have to take it by shoving it directly

685
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: into your pee hole. No, that's called that's all sounding.

686
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: That's a real thing. It's called sounding for the record,

687
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, teach their old. But there has to be

688
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: some sort of horrible effect. Yes, the opposition of this

689
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: is that is that's but the idea is like it's

690
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: it's a it's a substance. You can see orally the

691
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: way you take birth control pill. Yes, precisely exactly, and uh,

692
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: you know my understanding of it. At least as of

693
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: this moment, it hasn't been packaged. It hasn't been shown

694
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: as like this is how you take it where um in.

695
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: Many of the standard birth control pills that are available

696
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: for women right now include that one week of sugar

697
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 1: pills because again, because it is a hormonal cycle that

698
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: anyone who begins birth control gets on the moment that

699
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: you begin taking it. Isn't that a positive feature of

700
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: birth control that it regulates minstrel cycles? Like I've heard

701
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: it described as like something that's like good because it

702
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: like it makes it more predictable. This is not for

703
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: me to describe. Is there anyone listening that has an

704
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: opinion on birth control? Oh? Yeah, yeah, I think that's

705
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: that's because well, we can't. We can't speak. We can't

706
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: the three of us can't speak from an area of expertise, right,

707
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: we can only speak at best. Uh second hand, we're

708
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: not even O, B, G, I, N S. So, Uh

709
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: we can delve in and research statistics or something like that,

710
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: but I haven't done that yet for this, Uh, it

711
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: is worth hearing. But we also really love to hear

712
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: experiential wisdom from people who have done this, you know

713
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 1: what different because there are multitudes of different forms of

714
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: birth control. There are also you know, there are a

715
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: lot of resources out there. I'd like to shout out

716
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: stuff Mom never told you. They've done some great work

717
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: on this, as well as friends of the show. Uh,

718
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: Kristen and Caroline, the host of a non I heart

719
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: podcast called Unladylike. So if you want more information about

720
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: birth control for those with ovaries in particular, do check

721
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: that out. And I know that's I just want to see.

722
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: I was going to jump in, but it was correct.

723
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: Actually I will, I will jump in. And I actually

724
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: think that's a really valid point because like a lot

725
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: of people don't know this, and they automatically associate some

726
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: of the more you know, conservative or like puritanical types

727
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: associated birth control with promiscuity or like women trying to

728
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: do something they're not supposed to be doing. But a

729
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: lot of women get prescribed birth control for purely medical reasons,

730
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: like mentual regulation like you said, NOL, and also like

731
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: paying as it relates to various conditions like, for example, endometriosis.

732
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's definitely way more reasons than just birth

733
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: control for women to take birth control booms that I

734
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: wonder though, Like, I mean, you know, obviously it's in trial. Still, um,

735
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: if there will be some unforeseen side effect, whether positive

736
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: or negative, associate with it, because if it's all good,

737
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: sure seems like a winner. Um and putting a little

738
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: more responsibility on the man, which typically is not the case. Yeah,

739
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: we were taught Can about this off air briefly, and um,

740
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: doc you, Matt and I were saying, we're talking a

741
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: little bit about the story. I remember saying I phrased

742
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: it as a class half empty. As a cynic, cynical person.

743
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: I say, well, this feels like another way in which

744
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: a lot of dudes will be less responsible. And you

745
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: all would be very nice, positive and say, well, it'll

746
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: be more responsible, baby, But I ask you how many,

747
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: because they're out there, they're gonna be sleazy, bad faith

748
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: actors who are like, yeah, I'm totally I'm hit earlier today.

749
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: You can trust me, you know what I mean? Like,

750
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: like we mented this coach hell the concert, it's meant

751
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: to be people do I just said, I think that's

752
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm hoping that that that's still Despite that,

753
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that's a minority of people involved in those conversations.

754
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: And I hope for the most part, it makes uh,

755
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: it makes things safely, gives people more personal responsibility and

756
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: more agency. You know, um, it seems like the right

757
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: thing to do. Honestly, there's a minor subplot in UM

758
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: the show I I May Destroy You, which I thought

759
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: was absolutely brilliant. One of the best pieces of television

760
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life where a character who's

761
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: having like a one night stand kind of with the

762
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: main character secretly removes the condom. Um and it is

763
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: essentially tantamount to rape. That is its own form of rape.

764
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: Um And I never really thought of it that way,

765
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: but it absolutely makes sense that you're right, then this

766
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: could be a very like what do you show how

767
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: do you show somebody that you're that you're on the pill?

768
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: You know, we gotta take your word for it. So yeah,

769
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: that's the thing, and it's called stealth thing, and it's

770
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: after a form of sexual thault. But also going back

771
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: to what Ben said, if you meet somebody at Coachella

772
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: and they're talking to you in that voice, maybe I

773
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: don't believe them. Yeah, okay, I put my thumb on

774
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: the scale that example a little bit. I admit I was.

775
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: I was maybe priming folks for that, but but these

776
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: are these are excellent points and and it really could

777
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: you know, again, we have to say we talked about

778
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: this a little bit off air too. Um. Birth control

779
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: is not like it's not going to prevent the spread

780
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: of sexually transmitted diseases as well. And we don't need

781
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: a Coachella guy. We don't need to make up a

782
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: Coachella guy to talk about. That's Aella guy character. The

783
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: character just rights itself. But you guys are mentioning, but

784
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: I get it. Team up Charlie Coachella and then oh man,

785
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: And no offense to those organizations or concerts. They're they're

786
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: both great. No, we're not talking about the concert makers

787
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: or one more thing, because they actually I've read a

788
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: long time ago that the reason why they never really

789
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: went anywhere with male birth control or like a male

790
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: birth control pill is because basically because of the amount

791
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: of side effects that women experienced, men wouldn't be willing

792
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: to take them, like the nausea and different stuff like that.

793
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: And so I definitely think that there's something to be

794
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: said for this responsibility being shared equally. So I do

795
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: think it's the last half wul thing. I agree, And

796
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: I will say there's already a little bit of a

797
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: weird misogynist backlash popping up already. I saw like Snoop

798
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: Dog posted a meme where it was like a dude

799
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: with like a really big ass, you know, and then

800
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: it was saying and it was like, oh, side effects

801
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: for that male birth control bra you know, And it

802
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: was like gross, come on, snoop dogg, You're better than that. Again,

803
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: I have to reiterate. At least according to the team

804
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: of scientists who are working at this, who are with

805
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: the University of Minnesota, there's uh doctor or a Gunda

806
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: George PhD Abdullah al Noman, who is a graduate student

807
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: who's working in that same lab. There. These are several

808
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 1: people who have spoken about this and have spoken with

809
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: the American Chemical Society. UM. They're saying, this is a

810
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: non hormonal pill. This will not have the kinds of

811
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: side effects that uh, the birth control for women currently

812
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: has because it is a hormonal pill. This one, if

813
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: it does function in humans, acts by knocking out a

814
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: Listen to this retinalic acid receptor alpha. There's a protein

815
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: in a family quote of three nuclear receptors that bind

816
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: this acid, which is a form of vitamin A. And

817
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: according I'm just gonna read directly from the article here,

818
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: uh quote, knocking out the r A r A gene

819
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: in male mice makes them sterile without any obvious side effects.

820
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: At least that's what they say, without any obvious side effects,

821
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: So who knows what possible side effects there will be

822
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: in humans when those clinical trials get started. Because this

823
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: thing are a r a uh. It plays a role

824
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: in cell growth, in differentiation, like cell differentiation, like what

825
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: what a cell ends up becoming, uh, like a sperm

826
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: cell or some other type of cell like a skin

827
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: cell um. So there may be weird, weird side effects

828
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: we haven't even thought about are considered yet that occur

829
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: when people around this pill, But we won't know until

830
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: the people actually taken we study those people. The science. Yeah,

831
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: and it'll have to be a launch peogle study at

832
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: some point to right, like, is there is there some

833
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: sort of damaging side effect that doesn't come out until

834
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: decades later? And that's not a scare tactic. Don't be

835
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: scared of this, It's just something. It's part of what

836
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: good science should be doing. So uh, look look for

837
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: it to a crocodile boot store near you, crocodile boots

838
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: maybe by the way it is called, is this a reference?

839
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't understand rocodile is like Bucky's like in the

840
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: in the Midwest. Is this like a thing that a

841
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: chain that I'm not aware of? Okay? I love it.

842
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: I love it. If you want to look it up.

843
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: It is known as a non hormonal male contraceptive and

844
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: it is known as quote y c T five to nine.

845
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: That's why c T five to nine. You can look

846
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: it up, you can read a little more about it,

847
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll be hearing about it in a positive

848
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: way in several months or maybe a year from now.

849
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: And with that, we can't wait to hear from you, folks.

850
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: Do you have experience on the ground or with or

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