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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now. Hello listeners, glamour girls and general people.

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Speaker 1: I if you're hearing the sound of my voice, you

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Speaker 1: are listening to the podcast Radio Lab that is hosted

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Speaker 1: by me, Sam Tugger and George Severis and is officially

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Speaker 1: two years old today. Chills chills that that was crazy

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Speaker 1: to say out loud, and let's take a moment with that.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, let's pause on that. I think so

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Speaker 1: often we feel like we need to immediately comment on something.

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Speaker 1: And if there's anything I've learned from doing a podcast

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Speaker 1: where we release a total of six one and a hour,

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Speaker 1: one and a half hour episodes a month, it's that

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Speaker 1: you don't know, always have to comment on everything. I

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Speaker 1: think what I've learned doing a podcast is that so

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Speaker 1: much of culture right now it's it's hot takes, it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's uninformed um sort of lashing out just for

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Speaker 1: for clicks and for shares and for likes. There are

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Speaker 1: too many hot takes and not as many cold gibbs

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Speaker 1: mm hmm. And so with that being said, I want

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Speaker 1: to take a moment yeah and just say yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: had a podcast for two years and that's not good

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Speaker 1: or bad. It's just a fact, and so many people,

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Speaker 1: I'll say it, so many of the you know, woke

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Speaker 1: sort of Twitter sphere people, they want to put a

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Speaker 1: moral judgment. The keyboard warriors, they want to put a

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Speaker 1: moral judgment on you know, Oh, it's bad that you

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Speaker 1: have a podcast because that means you're not as successful

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Speaker 1: as your peers. You or they say, oh, it's good

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Speaker 1: to have a podcast because you know, you get to

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Speaker 1: you're more successful than your peers. It's it's unclear. Basically,

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Speaker 1: there's a raging debate going on about whether the fact

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Speaker 1: that we've had a podcast for two years means that

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Speaker 1: we are more or less successful than our peers. These

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Speaker 1: keyword warriors are so obsessed with trying to get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of it, and it's like, hey, hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: it's not about whether or not we're more or less

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Speaker 1: successful than our peers. It's it's about being successful generally.

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Speaker 1: It's about literally doing a podcast. Sometimes things don't need

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Speaker 1: to have a deeper meaning. Wow, and yeah, we've had

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Speaker 1: one for two years, and that's one more than one

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Speaker 1: year and one less than three years. And I actually

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Speaker 1: can't think of a better spot to be in for

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Speaker 1: a podcast because some of these people I won't name

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Speaker 1: any names, but they have podcasts that they've had for

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Speaker 1: three four years, even more sometimes six seven years, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, maybe, yeah, you're you're doing it still.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to what end? At that point? If

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Speaker 1: you haven't turned it, turned it into a deal with

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Speaker 1: Paramount Plus, then where is it going? It's time to

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Speaker 1: hang it up, Darling, It's time to hang it up.

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Speaker 1: And but two years, Oh, it's such a beautiful. Our

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Speaker 1: future is bright, our past is honored, and if we

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Speaker 1: have nothing but good vibes coming up, the past has

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Speaker 1: never been more honored. And I just want to verbally

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Speaker 1: promise that in five years, if we're still doing this podcast,

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Speaker 1: that means, first of all, we've both gotten full body

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Speaker 1: replacement surgeries from all our money, we both look like

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Speaker 1: Channing Tatum. And second of all, we will have a

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Speaker 1: deal with one of America. I would say, not even

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Speaker 1: with a streaming platform, with something even more powerful, with

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Speaker 1: a T and T Corp. But the actual parent company

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Speaker 1: we're going, right, I would say, I want to deal

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Speaker 1: with GM. I could not agree more so many of

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Speaker 1: our peers. Whether whether you say they're more or less

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Speaker 1: successful than us, it doesn't matter what's what's different about

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Speaker 1: us in them is that they're shooting for you know,

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Speaker 1: the space this Like they're like, oh, I want to

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Speaker 1: would be cool to like work have a sitcom on NBC.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, we're actually we're thinking so much bigger

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Speaker 1: than that. And it's like we literally want to be

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Speaker 1: bought by the A, T and T Corporation exactly. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's more like so many people in entertainment

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Speaker 1: and that has never limited us. Like to us, it's

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Speaker 1: like all corporations are the same. And actually that's liberating

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Speaker 1: because you think some people are having you know, moral

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Speaker 1: issues of like should I work with Disney because they're

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Speaker 1: but kind of you know, protesting gay weddings or something.

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Speaker 1: actually their their Disney Disney is pro Prop eight in

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Speaker 1: people have moral qualms with working with Disney because of that,

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Speaker 1: and and we're like they were working with the U S. Military.

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Speaker 1: I'm I was literally gonna say, like the defense budget

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Speaker 1: is so big because they're gonna buy us. Well, also

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Speaker 1: like basically any time you accept money from the U. S. Military,

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Speaker 1: you're doing a service because less money is going to

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Speaker 1: purchasing weapons and starting more wars. Like if we let's say,

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Speaker 1: for instance, and I'm not saying this isn't the works,

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Speaker 1: but it might be. Let's say, for instance, we have

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Speaker 1: a deal with the U. S. Military where each gun

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Speaker 1: also plays Stradio Lab if you press a button. Okay,

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Speaker 1: please explain to me how that's not a net positive

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Speaker 1: effect on global politics, like more soldiers listening to queer voices,

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Speaker 1: less money going to making more guns, Well, they would

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Speaker 1: have to still make the guns that play the episode

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Speaker 1: of Stradio Lab. Yeah, but they but the money they're

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Speaker 1: giving like they are updating existing guns rather than making

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Speaker 1: more guns. And I think that it really gets to

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Speaker 1: something that, like, you know, war it's more than about

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Speaker 1: physical violence. You also need to be fighting the war

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Speaker 1: on a on a informational way, on an emotional level.

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Speaker 1: You need to be fighting this war and and in

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Speaker 1: this case that would be by playing our podcast. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do think I'm sorry, but like it is more

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Speaker 1: effective to have guns that place stradio app then to

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Speaker 1: have like a street protest that is anti war. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what soldiers are going to see that they're literally at war.

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Speaker 1: They're literally out to war. They can't see your little protest.

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Speaker 1: What they can do is shoot their gun that actually

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Speaker 1: plays our podcast and here our voices changed their minds.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, we're in the process of hacking the guns

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Speaker 1: so that rather than shooting them, all they do is

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Speaker 1: press play. Like this is them listening to it while

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Speaker 1: committing atrocities is step one. Step two is replacing the

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Speaker 1: atrocities with the podcast. When we're done, war will have

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Speaker 1: been turned into queer podcasting. I've always said that we

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Speaker 1: were soldiers in our own way. I've always said that, yes, well,

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Speaker 1: and are we winning the war? Who's to say, But

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Speaker 1: we are two years into it. And if Bush has

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Speaker 1: taught me anything, if the President Bush taught me anything,

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Speaker 1: it's that being two years into a war is mission

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Speaker 1: accomplished vibes no matter what how you're doing to what

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Speaker 1: It's kind of a branding thing. War. Winning a war

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Speaker 1: is all about branding, like literally literally yes, well, also

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Speaker 1: it's like you know, it's like a war is the

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Speaker 1: the longer we keep going, it's like, oh, it's been

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Speaker 1: renewed for another season. That's a positive thing. Like it's like,

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Speaker 1: the crux of American foreign policy. I'd say, I think

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Speaker 1: we pretty much figured it out. So it's it's good

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Speaker 1: that we're getting in the game. Yeah, it's really nice

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Speaker 1: Military that we've met with so far has been super nice,

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Speaker 1: totally super super chill. Their offices are incredible. They haven't

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Speaker 1: get there to the opposites of the U. S. Military

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Speaker 1: for them it's like outside there maybe horrors beyond the

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Speaker 1: average person's imagination that we ourselves have created, but inside

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Speaker 1: it's just good vibe. It's just good vibe. It's just

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Speaker 1: and free lunch baby. Um So this episode, yes, go ahead, sorry,

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Speaker 1: just if you guys are like what is going on?

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Speaker 1: This episode is our two year celebration where we look

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Speaker 1: like and sort of speak to our incredible meteoric rise

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Speaker 1: are boutique meteors. No one talks about the meteors. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there are there are more niche meteors. There are meteors

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Speaker 1: then that's what makes it a beautiful meteor. Can I

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Speaker 1: ask you a question, why does it call the meteoric

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Speaker 1: the peak of the how come this? Um? It's also

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Speaker 1: I want to say, like two thousand, early two thousands,

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Speaker 1: it's very is this Is it chicken or is it fish? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm stumped, Like I don't even have a joke answer

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Speaker 1: this phrase we've been using our entire lives is completely

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Speaker 1: false meteoric rise. It's just it's've never been so out

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Speaker 1: of lot. I'm like, because it's fast, because meteors are fast, right,

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Speaker 1: the meteor a rise in in relation to where you are. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and sort of see how they act as a couple,

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Speaker 1: and it's kind of as a competition. We make them

424
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: sort of we we always do like a reading challenge

425
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: where we make the couples read each other for filth.

426
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: That's right, and people, people really people really enjoy that. Um,

427
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean not literally, but I feel like it is

428
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: good for them. Yeah. And then whoever, of course wins,

429
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: we give them. They're not dream wedding, but they're very

430
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: practical idea of a wedding right well. And and you

431
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: know when you say we give them for legal reasons,

432
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we're allowed to say that because we

433
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: don't actually pay for any We actually just attend the

434
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Speaker 1: wedding they would have had anyway. Um, So so just

435
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: to recap, we attend the wedding they would have had anyway.

436
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: And then we also don't allow anyone to give speeches.

437
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: We give them for them. So basically, just again I

438
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: don't want to like, I just want to be very

439
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: candid about this. They throw a wedding and then we

440
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 1: uh do all of the performing at that wedding. So

441
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: it's kind of like one of those comedy shows that

442
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: happens at a bar. People don't know what's going to happen.

443
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: Some someone call it an ambush show. We don't like

444
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: that kind of language. We like to call it more

445
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: of a chosen wedding. Yeah, so that's pretty much my

446
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: happiest moment, I think, Yeah, I think that's I think,

447
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: and I think we've touched on, you know, happiest moment

448
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: definitely giving back um and saddest moment being sued every week,

449
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 1: weekend and week out, and then silver lining moment becoming

450
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: friends with the lawyers that do us. Of course, I

451
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: want to ask you, George, do you feel you've learned

452
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: anything about yourself on this journey. Yeah. Um, you know,

453
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: I always suspected that I had a very shrewd business mind,

454
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: but I've never gotten the chance to really apply myself

455
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: in that way. There is something about limiting ourselves to

456
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to do a show at a

457
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 1: small Brooklyn venue. I'm going to uh do a writing

458
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: packet to apply to be a writer on Jimmy Fallon.

459
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: I'm going to write a script with the hopes of

460
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: one day someone reading it and making it. And the

461
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: thing with this podcast is it made me realize, like

462
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: you gotta think Global got when I'm when we're scripting

463
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: each episodes are fully scripted. When when we are scripting

464
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: each episode, at every point I'm throwing in something for

465
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: the Australian listener, something for the Swedish listener, something from

466
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: the Ugandan listener. There is It is the same process

467
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 1: that Netflix uses to make shows that appeal to different audiences.

468
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: And I think it has been very nice for me

469
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: to view comedy as a business rather than an art. Yeah.

470
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: I could not agree more. There was a moment I

471
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 1: remember we were getting drinks and you you know, I

472
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 1: was sort of like, I think it would be fun

473
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: if we sort of like leaned in this, like maybe

474
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: maybe more of an improvisational tone, and like maybe, and

475
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: you were like you literally grabbed me by the shoulders

476
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: and said, Sam, there's an entire market in China that

477
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: is untapped. That's right, I did. And you said, do

478
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: you know how many people live in China? And I said,

479
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: I have no idea, and you said, you're about to

480
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: find out. And then you and then because we were

481
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: in a bar getting drinks, right, and so you took

482
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: the likes the draft thing and you poured and you said,

483
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: each drop is a person, and then you just let

484
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: it run onto the floor, and I'll never forget. The

485
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: whole place was flooded with with bud light. And that's you. You.

486
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: Finally you stopped and you said, that's how many people?

487
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: And that changed my entire perspective because I saw I

488
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: suddenly saw the monetary benefit of expanding our market in ours.

489
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: That that was the day that I had found out

490
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: the population of China. And so I think I was

491
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: reading you know, I'm old fashioned, and I was slipping

492
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: through my atlas. Okay, I was sliving through my I

493
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: have a very large atlas and a very large inside

494
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: flopedia takes up a whole wall of my apartment. Um,

495
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: there are many tombs, and it is my life's work

496
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: to read and memorize the entire encyclopedia. And yes, sometimes

497
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm inspired in terms of my art and in terms

498
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: of my business. But at that point, you know, I

499
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: had gotten to see which is China, China is undersea,

500
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: and the encyclopedia and and so. And I remember because

501
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you know, I've always wanted to

502
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: learn about China, but I never knew where to look,

503
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: of course, and that moment it hit me, well, you know,

504
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: looking encyclopedia, but it doesn't matter. So I was reading

505
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: the China and one of the first sentences said the

506
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: population you know kind of you know, it's like, this

507
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: is a country. It is in Asia. It has a

508
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: population of X number of people. And um, and that's

509
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: when it hit me. And I remember I called you

510
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: and I said, Sam. We this was around I would

511
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: say mid season one. We were stagnated, you know. We yes,

512
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: we had some fans, there were a couple of Apple reviews,

513
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: but it was very clear to me that we were

514
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: never going to be you know Marvel and so then

515
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: yeah and and and I'm I'm really glad you you recognized. Well,

516
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: I just remember, I'll never forget what I said when

517
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: you finished pouring all the bud light as as a

518
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: show of how many people are in China, I said, okay,

519
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: learned the population of China once, right, And I said,

520
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: and I said, that's so true, like that is what happened,

521
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: like and of course, you know, I understand that the

522
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: beer thing was dramatic, right, but I as you know,

523
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm a lifelong I'm in so I'm I've been for

524
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: most of my life attending business school part time. Yeah, okay,

525
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: and I go to maybe one class a month, but

526
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: I am enrolled and i've you know, lost millions of dollars.

527
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: And uh so, I you know, you learned that that's

528
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: kind of how you sell a business concept, you know,

529
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 1: call it an elevator pitche You have to you have

530
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: to leave people like you have to do something for

531
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: someone to remember. You would not have remembered the popular

532
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: AASI of China if I just said what the number was. Well,

533
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: and I think it's like you're a lifelong teacher, like

534
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: that's literally what it is. You know, like I know,

535
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: you don't need to think of yourself that way because

536
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: like you know, you like to think of yourself as

537
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: a businessman, but like what you are as a teacher,

538
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: and like like you have such a skill with showing

539
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: and making people remember things, and like, I mean, my

540
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: feet were stopping wet. I couldn't forget it if I tried. Yeah,

541
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: well you were. It was bad for your health because

542
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: then you know you were kind of in these soaked

543
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: um you know, we were far away from home, so

544
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: then you had to walk all the way home soaked

545
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: in beer. And I and I do you remember, I

546
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: said it was January and I actually hid your jacket

547
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: so you were in a kind of a T shirt

548
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: and pants, and I remember still we were walking back.

549
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: You were soaked and and and shivering, and you said, George,

550
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: I need something And I said, I looked at you

551
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: and I said, remember this moment. I mean chills, because

552
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: because you were right, I was being I was being

553
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: a little pet. You were trying to make a point

554
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: and I was looking for the easy win, and it

555
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: was like I kind of needed that wake up call truly,

556
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: And thank you for saying I'm a lifelong teacher. I mean,

557
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: I don't like identifying as such just because teachers, you know,

558
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: ye are are kind of pathetic and don't own conglomerates

559
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: and are weak and don't have ambition and uh, you know,

560
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: mood shop of society, right, whereas businessmen are the backbone

561
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: of society, job creators, quintessentially American. All I've ever wanted

562
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: to be kind, generous, should run society, should be president.

563
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: Not to mention handsome and handsome, No, I mean I

564
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: can always tell I can spot a businessman from a

565
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: mile away because they're so handsome and yeah, and I

566
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I gotta get me some of that.

567
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: So to kind of keep going on, you know, we're

568
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: I think, organically each asking each other a question. Um,

569
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: we're finding a rhythm, and you know, listen, this is

570
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: a look back, but it's also looked forward. So my

571
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: question for you would be, you know, we are where

572
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: we are. We are meteorically either rising or descending, depending

573
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: on whatever linguistic tradition you recognize. And so my question

574
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: for you is, as we continue our rise and or descend,

575
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: where do you see the podcast going in the future. Wow,

576
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: this is such a great question, So thank you for

577
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: being so thoughtful in how you ask questions anytime. So

578
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: I think this is an obvious one. I think we're

579
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: gonna need to find sort of younger, hotter replacements for us,

580
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: probably within the next six months. Even I think, you know,

581
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: the podcast industry is cruel and you know favors, you know,

582
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: the twenty two year old twinks that like are down

583
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: to suck anyone off for for a laugh. And at

584
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: this point, you know, we've were um what's the phrase

585
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: like road tired and worn out or something, and oh yeah, yeah,

586
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: rung rung, dry and dry, sucked clean and sucked clean. Yeah,

587
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: And so I definitely see you know, younger hotter versions

588
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: of us coming in. And maybe the science is unclear

589
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: at this point, but I do think there will be

590
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: a way in the next six months that we will

591
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: still be able to put our brains inside of their

592
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: bodies so that we sort of get to continue. We

593
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: are still going to be the host. It's gonna be

594
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: our thoughts, just you know, a little more cinched, a

595
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: little more um, a little more a little more yosified,

596
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: a little horn ear, a little a little more down

597
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: for whatever, and um, so that's kind of what I see, Yeah,

598
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: it's it is something we talked about a lot. I mean, obviously,

599
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: all photographs of us are very very edited to make

600
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: us look much younger than we actually are. UM. For

601
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: a while, in our lives shows, we've been using holograms

602
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: that were created when we were in our early twenties

603
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: rather than performing live. Um. You know, we edit our

604
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 1: voices because we actually sound like like grandfathers on their

605
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: deathbed normally. I think, you know, our our real voices

606
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: are kind of like career little girl. Um. And and

607
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: so we've been able to use um yassifying technology that

608
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: we patented to make us look, sound and feel younger

609
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: than we are, but ultimately, like the cracks are showing.

610
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: And so I do think a more sustainable solution is

611
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: what you're saying to kind of have a more medical

612
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: intervention where we choose two very young twinks that are

613
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: willing to take some risks give up their autio medically.

614
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: And you know, I think I think when we find

615
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: the right people, it will be an honor for them.

616
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: Of course, I mean, it's history. It's history one um

617
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: and that like to be a part of something so

618
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: amazing for the gay community, Uh, it would be an

619
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: honor I think for anyone. And we actually are going

620
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: to start taking applications, So, um, if you could just

621
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: send us your five all application fee along with maybe

622
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: a one page letter about why you think you'd have

623
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: the perfect body to put our brains in, will be

624
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: having our people read over those and definitely be getting

625
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: back to you. Yeah, and you have to sign a

626
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: very restrictive n d A. Yeah, and you know for

627
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: this process obviously are Both of our teams were like, okay, well,

628
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: what what are you gonna What are you gonna do

629
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 1: with your bodies when you're not using them anymore? Do

630
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: you want to donate them to science? And something about

631
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: that just didn't feel right. I just don't want my

632
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: body to be in like a good will, you know,

633
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: So I'm not. I don't. I also the idea, you know, science,

634
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: as we've talked in the past, like we we value

635
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: the humanities more than we value stem fields. So yeah,

636
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: I'll donate my body to the humanities. If you want

637
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: to pump me full of a kind of d aging

638
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: fluid and then use me as a figure for figure

639
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: drawing classes and support and support the arts, then yeah,

640
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: I'll do that. If you'm not going to be a goodaver. No,

641
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: if you want to kake me and cement and put

642
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: me in the damn MoMA, right, sure, I'm not opposed.

643
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: I'm not completely opposed to that. That could be nice

644
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: if you want to cut my body into pieces and

645
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: then have Marina Abramovich create a kind of conceptual location

646
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: based work called Body of the Faggot and have people

647
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: come in and and look at it, and you know,

648
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: kind of maybe there could be a kind of provocative

649
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: touching the art element where they play with my remains

650
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: and throw them around. I mean, yeah, I think that

651
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: sounds much more interesting than being a heart donor. Sorry, sorry, sorry,

652
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: that's controversial. So yeah, we're not going to donate our

653
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: bodies of science, but we will donate them to the

654
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: humanities and arts. Yeah, because it's also like, and I'm

655
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: not trying to be like a fucking bitch or whatever,

656
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: but when people's like hearts stop working, they're like, can

657
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: I have yours? It's like, no, you had one, like

658
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: you had your shot that that one is mine, but

659
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: thanks for asking, I guess yeah, Like I'm actually not

660
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: going to just give you my heart because you used

661
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: yours up like like there are rules here like that

662
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: one's mind. It's like I don't think you get it,

663
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: like like maybe if you didn't use your heart so

664
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: poorly for your life. Like also it's like how do

665
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: I know that? Like, once you get mine, it's not

666
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: going to suck up because now it's like you're the

667
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: one using it. It's just well, it's also like why

668
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: would I donate my heart to someone who did not

669
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: treat there's well, like I'd rather donate my heart to

670
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: someone who already did a good job with their heart. Yeah,

671
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: like if if it to trust them, I can trust

672
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: them to do a good job with mine. If a

673
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: person with a really healthy, beautiful heart was like, can

674
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 1: I have your heart, I'd probably be like sure, Like yeah,

675
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: I actually think that would be kind of nice, like

676
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: you could have two hearts and like I guess, and

677
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: I would say society at large, you know, there's so

678
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: much attention on people who need help and not enough

679
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: on people who are wealthy. M m m mmm. I

680
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 1: just think it's like people who are sick get medicine,

681
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 1: but it's like maybe people who are healthy you want

682
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: medicine too, Maybe they actually deserve it because they've been

683
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: being really good, right, and this idea that people deserve medicine,

684
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: Like I think, you know, it would be a really

685
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: interesting idea if actually medicine was prohibitively expensive, so that

686
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: then if you need it, you know, maybe let you

687
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: have to work hard for it. Yeah, Like, and that'll

688
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: be that will honestly just make the experience better because

689
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 1: you'll feel like you really earned it, exactly. And then

690
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: and then it's like, okay, yes, if I if you

691
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: work really hard, then maybe I will give you my

692
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: heart and charge you. You know, let's say a certain

693
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: number of millions of dollars that I then donate to

694
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: my estate because I'll be deceased presumably, but until then,

695
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: I just I can't be part of this kind of

696
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: you know. I I believe in pulling oneselves up from

697
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: one's bootstraps. I couldn't agree more. Okay, George, I have

698
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: a question for you, okay, um in the future, who

699
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: would be your dream guest and why? I mean, I'm

700
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: trying not to be too obvious here because obviously it's

701
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Jen Saki. Yeah, but at the same time, I'm like,

702
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, we have our weekly drink with her, and

703
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: we always talk and we're like, she's always like I

704
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: want to come on the pod, but like with my

705
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: job right now. I guess she's working at the White

706
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: House with my job right now, like they don't allow

707
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: me to do certain things. In fact, I think maybe

708
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: I she knew me talking about this, but she was

709
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: always you know, she's kind of like a really crazy girl.

710
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: E Like, she's funny, she's funny and like gets black

711
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: out drunk whenever we go out with her and then does.

712
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: I mean, she's kind of like one of those classic,

713
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: like not the stereotype, like classic Batchel Ratte party at

714
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: a game bar type girls, Like she loves like as

715
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: a joke, pulling down our pants and like slapping our

716
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: balls and she's like, it's okay because you're gay, Like

717
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of I've been like, yeah, if someone

718
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: else did that to me, I would maybe be offended,

719
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: But I think she kind of makes it work. Yeah,

720
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: there's something about it where it doesn't feel it feels

721
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: almost retro the way she does it. It feels like

722
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: purposeful totally, And she always says like she always says, like,

723
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gay, but I would totally make out with

724
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: Kate Bosworth Yeah, she's always saying that, and it's like,

725
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: maybe you're a little buy and she's like, m why

726
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: people don't exist and it's like yeah, exactly, Yeah, which

727
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: I love. I think it's kind of cool that she

728
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: that she I don't know, it's like she doesn't let

729
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: the changing times interfere with her beliefs. And I think

730
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: that's what Joe Biden saw in her when he hired her. Yeah,

731
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean she she projects such a strong sense of self.

732
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Yeah that like, honestly, most people, like when I'm with her,

733
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: I feel inspired to be the most me I totally,

734
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: which is why it's even more impressive that than when

735
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: she's doing her job. That sense of self goes away completely.

736
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: You know, she'll be on the podium and suddenly she's

737
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: a spokesperson for the White House and that's called being

738
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: a professional. Like no one would know that. Mere hours

739
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: before that, you know, we had been doing ketamine in fact,

740
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: off the streets of Manhattan with her. Yeah, and she

741
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: like pulls it together like in a way that's like

742
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: so cool. It's like so nice to see like a

743
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,479
Speaker 1: girl can like work hard and play hard, like yeah,

744
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: and she really does work hard and play hard. She

745
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: is very violent. I mean she gets into these bar

746
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: fights and there's almost something like you know, you're like,

747
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know people still do this, like like break

748
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: a beer bottle and and and and you know, drop blood,

749
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: like stabs someone with it, you know, and it's because

750
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: someone is like some old contract and be like aren't

751
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: you that Jen Saki girl? And she's like I'm off

752
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: the clock. She's like can't you see him with my fags?

753
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: And then yeah, it's weird. She's like kind of protective

754
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: of us in a way that's like kind of territorial, um,

755
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: and like in a way that's like, you know, this

756
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: is a casual friendship, like you don't need to sort

757
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: of be that way, and like we like assure her

758
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 1: that we like like hanging out with her and stuff,

759
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: but like there's just something where it's like she craves

760
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: like control over us, right right, it's um, what's the

761
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: word dehumanizing? I guess in a way she kind of

762
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: treats us like little puppies. But you know, it's sometimes

763
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: it's nice to be a caddle and it's nice to

764
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: be taken care of in that way. It's nice to

765
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: be taken care of and like you know, obviously with

766
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: our various legal um ongoing legal battles, Like she does

767
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: have her like she the White House is in her ear.

768
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: What's the expression she has her ear in the she

769
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: she has connections, let's just say. And like she is

770
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: able to move the needle a little bit. And so yes,

771
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: we are embroiled in various legal dramas, but like we're

772
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: never going to be, you know, in jail. Do you

773
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: know what my favorite thing about hanging out with her

774
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: is is like literally she gets to have like she

775
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: has like the White House credit card and she'll be like,

776
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, I can actually charge it to the to

777
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: the business and we just have to like talk about

778
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: government for like a little bit. I love when she

779
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: it's so naughty when she like winks at us and

780
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: she's like this one's on Joe and she's so I

781
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: it's so funny. It's so funny, and it's like, yeah,

782
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Like this is why it's nice

783
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: to hang out with people that like have jobs and

784
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: like I know, like I know good companies like the government.

785
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's like my favorite company. Yes, so I

786
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: think she would be good. I mean, she has said

787
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: she wants her Um, this is like so her, but

788
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: she said she want her topic too. She wanted her

789
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: topic to be panty hoose. Oh my god, that is

790
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: so funny. She is so weird because she was like

791
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: when I was young, like my mom would always hear

792
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: a panty hose, and I always thought that was like

793
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: so straight. Yeah, because it's like no one does that anymore,

794
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: Like no one, am I right, Like no one in

795
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Brooklyn does that anymore. Yeah, And it's like she can Yeah,

796
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: she gets it. No, she's funny, like she could have

797
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: done like the stand up thing, she just chose like

798
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: a different route. Yeah. Well, I mean in many ways

799
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: she is doing I mean she is like doing stand

800
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: up like she's speaking into a microphone. She's like kind

801
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: of twisting the truth in a way that makes it

802
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: more compelling. She's I mean, she's a storyteller. She's a storyteller.

803
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: I mean she and and that's the thing, like she

804
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: was always better at those storytelling shows than they like

805
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: straight stand up. And she would resent that because she

806
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: like thinks of herself as more of like you know,

807
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, like a traditional stand up and she doesn't

808
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: like the term storyteller. But I think you know, the

809
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: proof is in the pudding, and it's just I don't know.

810
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: I think she like shows like such a maturity towards

811
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: performing where it's like, it's not about the medium, it's

812
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: about like what you want to say and saying what

813
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: you want to say, and like she's like, I can

814
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,280
Speaker 1: do that in stand up, I could do that in songs.

815
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: I could do that at you know, press briefings, Like

816
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter how I'm getting it out. It's

817
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: the fact that I am expressing myself. And like, you know,

818
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: Jen Szachie can do Amy Schumer, but Amy Schumer can't

819
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: do Jen Psaki. That is so fucking true. King. So, yeah,

820
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: that would be that would be my dream guest. Um,

821
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: and you know I'm gonna I'm gonna actually loob that

822
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: question right back at you. Who would be? Who would

823
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: be your dream guest? Wow, my dream guest. That is

824
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: so so tough. Um m hm m m m m

825
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: m m mmm. Got it. Um, let me make sure

826
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm giving the name right. I'm pretty sure I am. Yeah, Okay,

827
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: hear me out, Tim Cook. Oh yeah, that's perfect. Yeah,

828
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's tough because they say, like

829
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: don't meet your idols. And in many ways what you're

830
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: saying is kind of where our conversation has been leading to.

831
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: It's like, we're not artists for businessmen. We like, you know,

832
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: we don't want to limit ourselves in the entertainment industry,

833
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: want to go more global. Like who is more global

834
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: and anti art than Tim Cook? It's he really hits on,

835
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: like he's like doing what we wish we could. Like,

836
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: it's so impressive and powerful that he's like, you know,

837
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: in charge of literal Apple, literal Apple. And yeah he's

838
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: gay too, Yeah. Yeah. It's it's the type of thing

839
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: where I'm like, you know, and every release a podcast,

840
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, god, this is so small, Like it's not scalable, Like,

841
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: how do we take an episode of our podcast with

842
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: let's say Max twit Ter, Patty Harrison, Marshabelski one of

843
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: our guests. How do we take that in tickets so

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00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: that everyone has their own episode of the like personalized

845
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: episode of the podcast. That's not possible. No, it's not possible.

846
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: We haven't cracked the code. No, we need to figure

847
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: out a way to make our product in a more

848
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: mass regular way. It needs to be mass produced there

849
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: needs to be There needs to be a marketing There

850
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: needs to be a product development team. We need to

851
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 1: hire designers, quite frankly, quite frankly, a great team of designers.

852
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: We need to go minimal. I mean, we don't even

853
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: have a We don't even have a like Apple has

854
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Think Different. We don't have anything like that. We try

855
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: to introduce our podcasts every time, we're like, welcome to

856
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: the podcast where two gay guys talk about straight culture. Already,

857
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,720
Speaker 1: that's not punchy enough. It's so wordy, it's so it's

858
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: it's it's frankly lazy that we do that. And you know,

859
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: I think Tim would come on. I think he would

860
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: come on. I mean you know I know that, like

861
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: you used to date him. So it's a little weird. Yeah, yeah,

862
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: I mean it was complicated, Um basically okay, So all

863
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: of the ideas for Apple were mine, and he gasolate

864
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: me into like he would be like, I will give

865
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: you credit, Like it makes sense right now for me

866
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: to just do this since I'm already working there, and

867
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: then obviously when I'm on top, let's say, when I'm CEO,

868
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: I will bring you in and then all of this

869
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: will pay off and of course, as you know, like

870
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: when he did become CEO, he not only didn't bring

871
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: me in, but he cut me off financially um and

872
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: then kicked me physically with his foot out of the

873
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: house that we shared together in Cupertino, California. And so

874
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 1: I guess you're right that it would be drumatic. It

875
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: would be like weird for me to have him on.

876
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like what would It's like,

877
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: what would Tim Cook do? Would he not have someone

878
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: on that could help them take their podcast to the

879
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: next level just because they used to date and he

880
00:49:55,520 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: was physically abusive, No, like you have to think above that. Yeah,

881
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think it could be a really

882
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: nice moment for you to to sort of work through

883
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: some stuff too, because like you know, this could be

884
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: your Jeremo Harris episode, this could be your Nick Nanny episode.

885
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: Like I think it could kind of let people in

886
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: an emotional level that I think the listeners would really love.

887
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: And I think you and Tim could like grow and

888
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: maybe have like a healthy friendship moving forward, you know.

889
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, like he has a huge cop

890
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: and I was gonna ask, and so thank you for

891
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: just offering that and not making me like beg for it.

892
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: It's it's part of why he's so good at business.

893
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: Oh well, how about your his loads? It's actually hard

894
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: for me to talk to so I don't want to

895
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: answer that one. But um wait, but I think you

896
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: know what, I think we should do our final segment okay,

897
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: first second segment, which is that, uh, we are to

898
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: get serious for a second. Um, yeah, we need to

899
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: get serious, so we of course, there is a discord

900
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: channel dedicated to this podcast, which is one of our

901
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: greatest joys, and if you want to be in it,

902
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: you can join our Patreon and there is a channel

903
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: in it um called straight Shooters where people submit their

904
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: own straight shooters and horrifyingly, we have never even read

905
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: a single one of them on the podcast or engage

906
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: with them in any way. It is truly abhorrent, and

907
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: so we thought it would be a good idea to

908
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: take the occasion of our second birthday two you know,

909
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 1: read read, read a few of them, and do them ourselves. Well.

910
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: I love that. I think we should just pick randomly

911
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: and read some. I agree, yeah, and we can go

912
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: back and forth. Let me let me get on Okay, Well,

913
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's start with a new one. Okay, great

914
00:51:54,200 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: Um okay George say Less or Mandy Moore? Wait isn't

915
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: it less is more? Or Mandy Moore? No, it's say

916
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Speaker 1: Less or Mandy Moore. Okay, Um, okay Mandy Moore, m okay,

917
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: Tyson Ritter or Dyson Vacuum, Dyson vacuum. Okay, okay George,

918
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 1: Sam doesn't vote? Or a Brooklyn Knight and their canvas tote.

919
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: Sam doesn't vote? Okay Sam. The Korean Demilitarized Zone or

920
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: Britney Spears is in the zone. Um, Britney Spears is

921
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: in the zone. Whoa Okay? Farrell has synesthesia or Jojo

922
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: Siwa has traction alopecia. Oh, I have to actually go

923
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: with Farrell has synesthesia. I know it's unexpected, but it

924
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: makes sense if you have my kind of complicated reasoning.

925
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: Okay Sam. Five days of summer or one and twenty

926
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 1: days of sodom? Um, I mean to go one days

927
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 1: of sodom George Charles Dickens, Dick Cheney or the Dixie

928
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: Chicks Dick Cheney genius. Conflict is not abused or love

929
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: is a battlefield. Conflict is not abused? Tell far bags

930
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: or kevlar vests. Kevlar vests. Maybe we'll do one more each, Okay,

931
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: Captain Jack Sparrow ordering the Bone Marrow or being on

932
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: the straight and narrow ordering the bone Marrow. International Women's Day,

933
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: International Players Anthem or International House of Pancakes, International Women's Day. Well,

934
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: those were just some of the beautiful straight shooters from

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00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 1: our listeners over at the Discord. And um, I think

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Speaker 1: that that's this is pretty much been our look back.

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00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: I you know, I can't believe we made it. Um,

938
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 1: both in the two years and in this episode. I'm

939
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: this episode did feel like at any given point we

940
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: could have gone off the train tracks. And yet I

941
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: have to say we have established to be earnest for

942
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: a second, such a sense of trust that despite that feeling,

943
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: I actually never felt unsafe. There were there were like

944
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: moments where I would be like, what if I run

945
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: out of words? And then it was like, you know what,

946
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: it's never gonna happen. It's never gonna happen. It's it's

947
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: actually feeling like you're about to be off the train tracks.

948
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: Is a is a feature not a bug? Yeah? I

949
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: also genuinely am like it's funny we came up with

950
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: the premise of this episode one minute before recording, and

951
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: the premise being we fake look back and we just

952
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: do bits and it. Hey, I had a blast. I

953
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: really think it were too, I really did. I'm like

954
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: ready to write a re enrolling you see, Well, good

955
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: luck they're burned to the ground. Good luck they're bankrupt, bitch. Okay, well,

956
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: well you know what. Happy two years, Happy two years.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to all the listeners. Loveya, Bye b