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Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and I heart

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Speaker 1: radio podcast. Welcome to the most dramatic podcast ever. I'm

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Speaker 1: Chris Harrison. We're picking back up with my conversation with

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Bristow. Caitlin did an interview a week ago where

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Speaker 1: she shared her feelings about the demise of our relationship

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Speaker 1: so to speak. We dove into that and have realized

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Speaker 1: that while our relationship did change, we still very much

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Speaker 1: care for each other. We are very much friends, and

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Speaker 1: that side of our lives is very good. And I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we had a chance to talk about all that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad you got to hear it and and

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Speaker 1: hash it out with us and see how we communicate,

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Speaker 1: and see how friends should communicate, spouses should communicate, and

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Speaker 1: try not to things so personal that it will make

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Speaker 1: a situation toxic that you can't recover from. And so

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Speaker 1: I'm glad everybody got to share in that very personal,

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Speaker 1: intimate conversation that Caitlin had, and I appreciate her sharing

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Speaker 1: that with all of you as well. But there was

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Speaker 1: so much more to talk about, and so I want

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Speaker 1: to get back to my conversation with Caitlin, and that

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Speaker 1: takes us into you hosting the show. And I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to call you a mentor because that's bullshit. You

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Speaker 1: two were hosting the show. What was that like for you?

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Speaker 1: So bizarre? It was? It was a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was. It really did feel. First of all,

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Speaker 1: when I went into it blind. I got there and

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Speaker 1: started reading off of prompter and I was like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: so we are definitely hosting. Like that's when I knew

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Speaker 1: it was actually when it was happening, and I had

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Speaker 1: so many different feelings. One, I respect the hell out

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Speaker 1: of you for doing that for that many years, and

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Speaker 1: how good and the professional you are. It is really challenging. UM.

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Speaker 1: And when people say Chris Harrison has the best job

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Speaker 1: in the whole world, yes, but they're underestimating how much

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Speaker 1: work you put into that and all of the you know,

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Speaker 1: hours and time away and hard work and up late

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Speaker 1: nights like you really do a lot UM. So I

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Speaker 1: was having a lot of um respect for you in

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Speaker 1: those moments. And also I loved it because I love hosting. UM.

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Speaker 1: That's why I started a podcast. I love being a

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Speaker 1: host of something. I love having people over, love hosting

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Speaker 1: also felt guilty. There's times I was feeling guilty, like

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Speaker 1: you know, imposter syndrome, and why do I deserve to

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Speaker 1: have this or be here? What? And then on another level,

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling, well, why can't I do this on my own?

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Speaker 1: Why do they need two of us? Why do they

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Speaker 1: not just trust me by myself? Or what? Like so

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Speaker 1: many emotions, the full spectrum like emotions. Yeah, I the

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Speaker 1: only thing that really upset me when I heard that

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Speaker 1: you and Tatia were hosting was that it was you

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Speaker 1: and Tatia and that they named two of you, because

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Speaker 1: that was you were doomed to fail. You were set

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Speaker 1: up to fail. That was never going to succeed that show.

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Speaker 1: I mean again, and I know it intimately more than

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Speaker 1: anybody is there's not room for two people. There's not

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Speaker 1: room for two mentors. There's there's not room for two emotions,

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Speaker 1: and that that mental space that you're taking over, and

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Speaker 1: so that was just never going to work. And that

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Speaker 1: to me, if I had been involved with you and Tasha,

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Speaker 1: that's That's what I would have expressed is I don't

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Speaker 1: wasn't watching the show. And that's not because I was

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Speaker 1: mad at you, guys. I just I removed myself and

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Speaker 1: I just felt for you guys because I knew how

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Speaker 1: it was too bad because I mean I love Taitia

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Speaker 1: I now looking back, and of course that would never

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Speaker 1: three women. Yeah, that's that's a that's a lot in

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Speaker 1: over twenty years. You were thrown into something pretty tumultuous

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Speaker 1: was being guided in a direction that I wish, you know. Again,

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Speaker 1: bet do you miss it? Um? I miss hosting television.

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Speaker 1: Just I'm like you. I love I love my career

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Speaker 1: You know, Lauren has even said to me now that

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Speaker 1: I will say I've never received so many comments in

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Speaker 1: my life as p Pill being like, the show is

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Speaker 1: It is. The hours are extreme, the travel is extreme.

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Speaker 1: that's hard as a host because you're always emotionally entering

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Speaker 1: a situation where it's not about you I emotionally needed

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