1 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: Welcome into All Ball. I'm Gottli. Thanks so much for 2 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: downloading this pod. Um. Jonathan Givoni is gonna join us. 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: His website Draft express dot com has been one of 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: the many resources that I've used for during my uh 5 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: sixteen years in the biziness. And uh he's really good. 6 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: You know. I love ball guys. I love guys that 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: that take the initiative of trying their own thing of 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: just liking basketball watching watching basketball games. Uh. Well, actually 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: had to have him back on and he has his 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: his ten worst places he's ever been. That that would 11 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: be amazing to me. Um, he's gonna join us a 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: little bit later on let me creek you give you 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts. By the way, you can listen 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: to my radio show every day three to six Eastern 15 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: twelve to three Pacific on Fox Sports Radio or the 16 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. We're also on Sirious XM. Were of 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: the same channel as Dan Patrick. I think it's like 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: two oh three on one and to seventeen and another. 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: Don't hold me to that. I think I got him 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: close enough. Anyway, we we got the NBA Draft upcoming. 21 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: I'll give you a couple of thoughts on that. Momentarily, 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: But the NBA is fascinating since we last talked, right 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: since we last talked, like it was last Thursday heading 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: into Friday. You know, think about how much things have changed. 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 1: We now have an NBA champion. They're in Toronto, Kevin 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: Durant has officially and he's not only torn his achilles tendont, 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: he's had it repaired since then. Clay Thompson's torn his 28 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: A c L and Anthony Davis is now a Laker. 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: So let's go through all of these things. Um, maybe 30 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: it's because I told people that k D was the 31 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: best player in the NBA before everybody else realize he 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: was the best player in the NBA. But I think 33 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: k D will be closer to back more so than 34 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: most people who tears achilles tenant. And here's the logical 35 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: reason why he's explosive, but he's not a freak. And 36 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: so I don't know if, if, if getting back that 37 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: level of athleticism is going to be that hard, Right 38 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: like when when Katie beats you yes for seven footer, 39 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: or he's got a great first step off the dribble, 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: but it's not like he's got the craziest first step 41 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: off the dribble, you know what I mean? So um, 42 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: I mean his his gift is that he can do 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: everything and can just jump up and shoot over you, 44 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 1: and he's not gonna shrink right. Additionally, you know, look 45 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: at some of the guys who have struggled coming off 46 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: of towards Achilles Tenant. Some of them are positions of 47 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: supreme athleticism. He's not. Others are guys that are bigger 48 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: to Marcus Cousins, and DeMarcus Cousins is heavy, and that's 49 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: never been the the issue with Kevin Durant. Additionally, k 50 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: D is a work of a freak in terms of 51 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: his work ethic, Like guys just don't work as hard 52 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: as Kevin Durant works. And so you factor all those 53 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: those things in, I think it'll be okay. The big 54 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: question is obviously New York or or Golden State. Personally, 55 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: I'd love to see him stay with Golden State, right. 56 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: Let like, let's let most of a year go by, 57 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: maybe play Maybe they sneak into the playoffs and he 58 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: plays in the playoffs next year, or maybe he sits 59 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: an entire year and then they get the band back together, 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: much like Jordan's when he missed a season and came 61 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: in mid season the following year, would they be amazing? 62 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: If he goes to New York. I think you go 63 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: to New York, he's gonna sit for an entire season. 64 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: Think about that. If you're a New York Nick fan, 65 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: you have not had Prezingis for an entire year. Then 66 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: he was traded, then you wouldn't have Kevin Durant for 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: an entire year. Like that's a hard sale. The season 68 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: Dikett season, Diket holders. Hey, he come pay ridiculous prices 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: to see the other team play and oh yeah, by 70 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: the way, it saves you a seat for when we're 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: actually good, maybe a year from now. If Kevin Durant 72 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: comes back. But I mean, I was doubt. I'm devastated 73 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: by it. Um, he's a great player. He would have 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: changed the series. He did change the series for a 75 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: short period time. And then he tears his achilles tendant. 76 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: I also will tell you this, I think it was 77 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: partially torn before he got back in there. They just 78 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: couldn't see it. They're hard to see. But the only 79 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: way to fix them is when they're torn. And um, 80 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: I kind of thing. He had to know something was 81 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: up and I think some of the doctors suspected something 82 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: was up. I just don't know whether the doctors told 83 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant something might be up. And this is a possibility. 84 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: But now we wait and we see they'll offer him 85 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: the super Max to say in Golden State. Maybe some 86 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: of that's out of guilt, some of that's out of 87 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: the idea of this is the best way to keep together. 88 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: And then you have Clay and that just sucks because 89 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: he's just uh, I mean, he's a you know, I mean, 90 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: but this is you know, you play that many games. 91 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: One thing, you talk to doctors and they'll tell you, like, 92 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: you don't hurt yourself because of the attrition of playing 93 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: five games in five years. You hurt yourself because of 94 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: an awkward fall. And some of it because the genetics 95 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: and how you're leg and knee is and an awkward 96 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: fall end up doing it to him. But the more 97 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: games you play, the more chances you have of an 98 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: awkward fall, and so to that sure, the number of 99 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: games play might be one of the reasons that he 100 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: hurt himself. And then you have the Golden State Warriors. 101 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: The Warriors have needed an excuse to revamp their bench 102 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: to change up to find Warriors two point oh, and 103 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: this is that this is the chance. Um, I don't 104 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: think you trade Draymond Green, but look, Draymond, until he 105 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: got in shape for the playoffs, was the shell of 106 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: his former self. So you gotta worry about his conditioning. 107 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: And as much you say you can't replace Raymond, like, look, 108 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: the first time the Bulls had one three in a row, 109 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: they had a horror grant. The second time they had 110 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman. There will be another guy. I'd prefer to 111 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: be Draymond because he has such a high basketball I 112 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: que and he everybody knows him and he knows them. 113 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: But I wouldn't prefer to be at a max contract level. 114 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: So I think that there's some long, hard conversations, but 115 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: it would do. By the time they're good, Igo Dallas 116 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: probably gonna be retired. I would say, Sean Livingston probably retires, 117 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: Andrew Bogut's probably done for a second time around. Like 118 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: they're going to look very different next year, and in 119 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: two years they should look completely different outside of the 120 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: Big two or maybe the Big three or Big four, 121 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. Then you have the Anthony Davis trade. 122 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: The Lakers give out too much. Yeah, I think they 123 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: actually did. I did um. I understand that he's priceless. 124 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: I understand it's two superstars. They're fired up to to 125 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: get back to work, and they may be able to 126 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: get it. What you know, get Kyle Korver and j R. 127 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: Smith and figure out the point guard situation and you know, 128 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: get a JaVale McGhee to come back at a limited 129 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: salary and throw together pieces and Lebron has one last 130 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: run in him. I don't know though, maybe I'm a 131 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: maybe I'm a sucker for the idea of building from within, 132 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: But I don't think they were that far away. I don't. 133 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: I did think they had a they had a bunch 134 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: of cap room that they could have used and gotten 135 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: a superstar and you know, or they could have traded 136 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: for a traded a lot less for a for a Bradbo. 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, but you know, like we can't 138 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: go back and fight those wars when the war has 139 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: already been decided. And so now that you're the Lakers, 140 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to find a way to get guys 141 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: on the cheap. This is where Rich Paul can make 142 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: his headway as a as an agent because in the 143 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: past he hasn't done Cleveland favors, He hasn't gotten guys 144 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: for less a matter of fact, he's gotten guys more 145 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: like that's Lebronse whole thing. The problem is that that's 146 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: not the way in which you're gonna build a championship 147 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: team in l A. You're gonna have to get a 148 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: depth of players because you're not lebron to play seventy 149 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: five games anymore, and you're not gonna be able to 150 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: cover up for a guy's defensive weaknesses. Neither is Anthony 151 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: Davis as he gets older. Uh, Anthony Davis is an 152 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: unbelievable weapon at both ends of the floor. He is, 153 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: to my you know, by my estimation, in arguably one 154 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: of the top five players in the NBA, especially now 155 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: that you don't I don't know where we put Kevin 156 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: durant Um, but he's a two way player the likes 157 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: of which you got Kauai, you got Janice, and you 158 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: got Anthony Davis. Is the top three two way players. 159 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: That's really it. That's that's that's the conversation he's in. 160 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: And so they made a big, bold move, and that's 161 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: what big franchises do. Whether it's movies, you know, with 162 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: and Infinity Endgame. Think of the the actors and actresses 163 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: that are in that movie costs a lot of money, 164 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: cost almost four million dollars to put on, but it's 165 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: worth it and for the Lakers. The Alonzo, the guy 166 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: I thought was really close. Now who knows if he 167 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: stays healthy and who knows how he emotionally handles being 168 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: out of l A. Maybe it really helps him. But 169 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: I thought he was really he was close before he 170 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: got hurt to being a really good player. Um, maybe 171 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: not a great player, but dynamic defensively, and with Lebron 172 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: that's important, the ability to cover multiple positions. As he 173 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: gets holder like, he can make shots and he can 174 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: make plays. He doesn't need that as much. And obviously 175 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: a Lonzo has to shoot the ball better. But such 176 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: an athlete and such a competitor defensively and a good 177 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: reboundary does things that not a lot of guys do. 178 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram, you can take him. Josh Hart not a starter. 179 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: All those picks, they'll hurt you in the future. A 180 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: Lonzo ball is the one that was the real get. 181 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: I think his dad is you know, does more harm 182 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: than he does good I wouldn't put him on this 183 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: pod let a loan radio show or TV show, but 184 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: he got those opportunities, and he continues to make himself 185 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: look like a jerk instead of is going like, hey, 186 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: we're gonna go kill in New Orleans. We hope they 187 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: kill in l A. We're always once a Laker, always 188 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: a laker. Instead, you like burn every bridge. It's it's 189 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: not the way business should work. So um, I don't know. 190 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: I I look at it, and I understand. You got 191 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: a GM that was under pressure to get it done 192 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: by his best player, by his owner, by his owner, 193 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: by his fans. And when you're under that kind of pressure, 194 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: even though they should have had leverage over New Orleans, 195 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: you end up making a one sided deal. It was 196 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: kind of a one sided deal. They got the better player, 197 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: but it was kind of a Hershel Walker trade. Let's 198 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: just be honest. Thankfully they didn't give up Kyle Kuzma, 199 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: who they all love. But now Kyle Kuzmo has got 200 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: to become a better defender. He's just not a good 201 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: defensive player, but he is a shotmaker and he will 202 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: continue to improve from three point range. He didn't shoot 203 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: threes at all in college. So he's learning as a 204 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: perimeter player as he goes. Now, what's next? I don't know. 205 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: The Houston thing is interesting. I felt like Houston was 206 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: gonna be blown up, and then all of a sudden, 207 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: the Houston looked around and goes, wait a second, the 208 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: Warriors are done. We can still win this thing. The 209 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: problem with dirty laundry being aired is it's really really hard, 210 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: really hard two shake hands and get back to work. Now, 211 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: I do. I think basketball players handle adversity better than 212 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: most any other athletes. They may complain about it, they 213 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: may bitch about it, but you bitch about your job, 214 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: a bitch about mine, That's just the nature of it. 215 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: I think basketball players can let bygones be bygones and 216 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: then go and try and get buckets. But the idea 217 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: that Chris Paul, like the rest of us, doesn't like 218 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: watching James Harden dribble the ball to death not that profound, 219 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: but also hard to see them winning a title if 220 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: their chemistry isn't right. Like, look, I get analytics. I 221 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: think there's some brilliant parts to analytics basketball which are 222 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: fascinating and things that I learned every day. Like I 223 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: shared the stat on radio last week of Steph Curry's 224 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: free throws are swished. Think about that. Think about your 225 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: favorite player and what he shoots from the line, then 226 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: think forget about making him. He makes over eight of 227 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: them are swishes. That's insane. Again, those just new age statistics. 228 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,719 Speaker 1: I love them. But what they can account for this 229 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: chemistry Because on on an analytics spreadsheet, Chris Paul and 230 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: James Harden work together and they're better together than they 231 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: are separate, even with the Eastern Rockets. But games aren't 232 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: decided on spreadsheets, and their chemistry isn't good, and things 233 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: like this fester. And I don't know whether or not 234 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: you can keep the relationship together for one year and 235 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: then hope it doesn't blow up. But chemistry does matter. 236 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: Championship teams do like each other. They figure out a 237 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: way to all get along and accept each other's quirks 238 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: and and one of the things it takes is it 239 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: takes a best player who can laugh at themselves. And 240 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: I haven't seen James Harden be that guy. I definitely 241 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: haven't seen Chris Paul be that guy. And now they 242 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: want to add Jimmy Butler, who would be his fourth 243 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: team in four years, Like he he so, let me 244 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: get this straight. Jimmy Butler, whose teams haven't won, who's 245 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: constantly trying to drive guys do it the right way. 246 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because he's a VET and they're younger guys, 247 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: comes over and he's gonna help the chemistry of Chris 248 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: Paul who's never, never, never won. And he's gonna help 249 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: James Harden, who's never won and doesn't play well in 250 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: big games at home to decide your season. He's gonna 251 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: help Mike D'Antoni, who's never won in the NBA. Like, okay, 252 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: maybe it works. Maybe it works. And then you have 253 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard, who's the best player in the NBA. Think 254 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: about it. A guy who grows up Riverside, California, MLKA 255 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: high school PACKT ten. Schools don't offer him. He goes 256 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: to say the year state two years and he leaves, 257 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: and I thought it'd be good. I just he wasn't 258 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: a great shooter in college. He wasn't a shooter at 259 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: all in high school. Made himself do it. Always been 260 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: a tenacious defender, but now a good enough ball handler 261 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: and shot maker on the perimeter. He's unbelievable. And if 262 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: you can you can lead a team to a championship 263 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: and play both ends and defend multiple positions, scoring the 264 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: post and score from three and in the mid range. 265 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: Scored all three levels. He's made himself into a better passer. 266 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: He won two finals MVPs in two different places. Lebron 267 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: seems to be older and Kat is hurt. J honest 268 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: can't shoot. That's the best player in the NBA A 269 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: little bit by default, but a lot of it by success. 270 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: That's an incredible story. Last thing on the NBA Draft 271 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: before we get to Jonathan Givoni. Um, I do like 272 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: Zion Williamson. I'm not sure he's a immediate superstar, but 273 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I think the highlight reels are be unbelievable. And he 274 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: does so many of the little things that you need 275 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: a power forward slash small ball five to do. He's 276 00:14:56,040 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: a new age new wave Blaker friend Draymond Green with 277 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: the allowed force multiplier, likes of which you haven't seen since. 278 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: Lebron walks in the room, smiles and lights up the 279 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: whole place. And that's important. It is important. All right, 280 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: Let's get you to John Pincavoni from Draft Express and ESPN. 281 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: He joins us now be sure to catch live editions 282 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: of The Doug Dot Leap Show weekdays at noon eastern 283 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: three pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I 284 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app. This is honestly really cool for me. Um. 285 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: He works in the place I used to work, but 286 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: I have always followed his site Whack when I used 287 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: to work there, and uh do NBA draft stuff on 288 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: radio there and some on on Sports Center on TV. 289 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: There's John Pincavoni joins us. Draft Express is his That's 290 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: that's the I used to go to that website. Man, 291 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: how long ago did you started? Two? Three? I started 292 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: when I started working there and I and that's and 293 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: I always thought to my self, I could not. I 294 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: don't know how people did my job. And this is 295 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: like national Sports radio or doing TV stuff before the Internet. 296 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: What was your background like what led you to being 297 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: so inside and so into specifically the NBA Draft. Well, 298 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: it goes back to when I was really young. The 299 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: Miami Heat came along in I was seven years old, 300 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: and I was obsessed with him. Every day I would 301 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: come home from school, Um, and I would devour the 302 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: Sunset No and the Miami Harold Ira Winderman and then 303 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: I would sit you know, every night at seven o'clock 304 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: and watch them play, and they were absolutely horrible, you know, 305 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: back in the days of Ronnie Cyclis, Steve Smith, Glenn Rice, 306 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: Matt Geiger, Keith Askings who now works for the Heat 307 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: night geek out every time I see him. And I 308 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: just loved watching them and just kind of thinking, you know, 309 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: how can how can these guys get better? You know, 310 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: I mean, who can they acquire? Who are the college 311 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: players out there? The international players? And so from a 312 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: very young age, I was always really into that side 313 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: of things. You know, I'm short, unathletic, Jewish guy, and 314 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: you know, I played a little bit in high school, 315 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: but I was terrible. I never got off the bench. 316 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: And so I knew very early on and if I 317 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: wanted to work in basketball, it have to be, you know, 318 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: in this field. And so as a freshman in college, 319 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: I started a website. Has absolutely no clue what I 320 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: was doing. Some say I still don't, but um, pretty 321 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: early on I realized that there's a niche there. People 322 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: started reaching out to me as if you know, my 323 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: opinion mattered, parents, NBA teams, agents, media started getting exciting 324 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: and new incited in newspapers. Was I thought was insane. Um. 325 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: And so that kind of forced me to become very 326 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: serious about this. And so I started traveling, um, you know, 327 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: going to different camps, sleeping on people's couches, begging people 328 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: to let me, you know, crash on their hotel room floors. 329 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: I would go to Europe and you know, I stayed 330 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: at hostels and uh I you know, I I treated 331 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: it like a job. And I was lucky enough to 332 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: have some really um amazing people that mentored me, Guys 333 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: like David Thorpe um you know, the late Rob years. 334 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: He was a scout for the New Jersey Nets, and 335 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: I spent hours on the phone with him, picking his 336 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: brain about international scouting. And so you know, every event 337 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: I would go to, I would sit next to a scout. 338 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: I try to find them the most experienced one I could, 339 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: and just you know, pound them all game long with questions. 340 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: And these people were always very willing to talk to me, 341 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: and so that that, you know, that really helped me 342 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: just kind of figure this out. And you know, as 343 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: as I was starting to summer leagues, you meet people 344 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: and um, you figure out revenue streams because you're you know, 345 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: you can't make a living with a mock draft. But 346 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: I was young and it didn't matter. I mean, people 347 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: some people were going out with it. Universe of Florida. 348 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: People were doing keg stands. I was making mock drafts, 349 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: you know, at two am on Friday nights. I was, 350 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, a draft dorc And so I didn't really 351 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: need money. So I was lucky enough to be kind 352 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: of at the right place the right time. Before social media, 353 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: before the blogs, I would, you know, go and spam 354 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: message boards trying to get our name out and try 355 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: and cheat you know, the search engine optimization and try 356 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: and you know, um, you know, get Google to rank 357 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: its higher. And so that's just kind of how it 358 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: came together. And I was I was already lucky to 359 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: kind of be there at the right time. I don't 360 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: know if I started a website today, if I would 361 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: have been able to kind of, you know, build up 362 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: that platform. It's it's it's hard. You get lost in 363 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, and it's it's it's not as you 364 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: see now as as it was back then. Yeah, I 365 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,439 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating because it was it was. There's so 366 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: many opportunities, and I remember, I'm not gonna there's a 367 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: couple of other sites that had done had had similar 368 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: uh mock drafts and that people site, and I always 369 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: thought to myself, and at the time chad Ford was 370 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: doing it for us, I always thought to myself, like, 371 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: I felt like your stuff had an amount of substance 372 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: to it, whereas it wasn't just listing names, you know, 373 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: there was like there was a logic to it. And 374 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: though I didn't always agree with every ranking, was like 375 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: all right, well, okay, that makes me. And then there 376 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: was there were you you look very early on You're like, well, 377 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: there's somebody that I would use it to as a 378 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: reference point to to go back and call somebody about 379 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: or ask Okay. So here's the question I've I've always wondered, 380 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've shared this. When you 381 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: first started putting together your mock drafts, was it your 382 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: opinion or would you take kind of the you know, 383 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: all the people you trusted opinion and then say like, look, 384 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: I've talked to five six people and this is what 385 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm coming up with. Well even today, I mean I'm 386 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: spending all day on phone, you know, I'm trying to 387 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: hit every single NBA team at some point today and 388 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: get into their war room. And I don't ask them necessarily, 389 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: who are you guys going to draft? I asked them 390 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen in front of you? Which players are 391 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: going to be gone? You know which? Uh? And that 392 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: helps me where I'm not. I don't want people to 393 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: risk their job and tell me what you know their 394 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: team is going to do. I mean that that's foolish, 395 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: but it does help me figure out, you know, what 396 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: the draft is gonna look like roughly, and so I 397 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: mean early on in the season, in November and October. 398 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: Right now, I'm I'm making I'm actually working on a 399 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: mock draft and running along article talking about previewing the draft. 400 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: It's gonna run, you know, Friday morning on ESPN UM. 401 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: At this stage, there's not a lot of intel on 402 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: who teams like, I mean, most half the teams, I 403 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: would say, haven't even watched most of these guys, you know, 404 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: And so I mean outside of like the James Wiseman's 405 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: and the top pick since so um early on in 406 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: the year, I think you're you're trying to forecast, You're 407 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: trying to use your experience and say, well, you know, 408 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: this is what a lottery pick looks like in my experience, 409 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, you do this for sixteen years and you 410 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: start to see trends. I mean, you've seen a player 411 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: before in a different iteration and that that helps you. 412 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: And but closer you get to the draft, I think 413 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: if you know, there are players who I have in 414 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: the lottery right now who I wouldn't take them in 415 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 1: the lottery myself, but they're gonna get picked pretty high. 416 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: And my job is to forecast the draft, and people 417 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: sometimes knock us forget when they say, well, you didn't 418 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: have Fred VanVleet, you know, projected to get drafted. Well, yeah, 419 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: he he didn't get drafted, you know, And actually I 420 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: did and I was wrong, And so that's you know, 421 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a fine line. I'm glad you 422 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: asked the question about you know, is this how we 423 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: think it's going to end up or actually, um, you 424 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: know how we think it should end up. Yes, that 425 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: that's that's actually that's that's maybe an even better question, 426 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: right because I used to do that for ESPN and 427 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: I've done it for athletic as well, which is based like, look, 428 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: I get I talk to people who think I'm crazy 429 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: and They're like, I would never do that. That that's 430 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: okay my opinion. I've been wrong. I've been right too, 431 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: and that how I would who's the Who's the guy 432 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: who doesn't have to be you got sixteen years of 433 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: I don't have to call on every piece of your 434 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: memory that you had high, that you thought should be 435 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: drafted high, didn't and has ended up paying, has end 436 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: up becoming a very very good pro. Well we have Well, 437 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: you're honest, I think is a good one, you know. 438 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,479 Speaker 1: I mean we were the first ones to ever go 439 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: out and scout him. And you know, from the first 440 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: day I laid eyes on him, I said, you know, 441 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: this guy looks like a first round pick to me, 442 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: and NBA teams with on me, eh, it's great, you're crazy. 443 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: He's unathletic, he doesn't he doesn't produce even you know, 444 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: in the second division of Greece. And you know, slowly, 445 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: as we started watching more, I said, what this guy 446 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 1: should be a top ten pick. So you saw him? 447 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: Was the film or was it like? Would you watch 448 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: mun Sin with the Greece. I got on a plane 449 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: and I went to watch him practice, and I the 450 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 1: very first interview he ever did. This is the best stuff. 451 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: This is the best stufa. So so okay, So you're 452 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: in Florida at the time, and how did you who 453 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: told you about this kid? Yon Tenacopo, his agents, your ghosts, 454 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: the Metropolis actually reached out to me the summer before 455 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 1: he was drafted and said, Hey, there's a kid here 456 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 1: I want you to take a look at. He's a 457 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: six five Nigerian kid. He's had no passport. I'm trying 458 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: to find a federation in Europe that might be able 459 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: to give him a passport. Do you know anybody? As 460 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: I watched him, I'm like, this guy is pretty interesting. 461 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: It needs to be on my radar. And I mean 462 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: the tape was so grainy, he was playing at such 463 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: a lower level. I kind of followed it away. And 464 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: then the season started and I started hearing rumors of 465 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: you know, scouts going out there to watch him, and 466 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: and I got on a plane myself. I spent time 467 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: with him. Um, I met his family. Uh you know, 468 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: I would watched the game sitting right next to Scott 469 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 1: from the l A Lakers Antonio Masierras, who I already respect, 470 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: and I said, Antonio, this is you do this for 471 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: a living? What do you think he's like, this guy 472 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: is unbelievable. You know, sometimes you kind of have to 473 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: bounce the ideas off other people. But um, yeah, I 474 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 1: know he that was that was a great story. And 475 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: that just kind of showed me that you can find 476 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: town anywhere, you know, and you you just can't ever 477 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: stop working and traveling. You just can't wait for other 478 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,400 Speaker 1: people to bring guys to you. You have to get 479 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: on a plane and go find them yourself. Who's your 480 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: biggest miss that you thought would be good? That that 481 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: that didn't and and and I and I also say, like, look, 482 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: everybody gives me the grief over you know, Johnny Flynn 483 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: versus Steph Curry, And like, you know, if you could 484 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: explain to people that one Johnny Flynn was in the 485 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: triangles a terrible system for him and his hip was 486 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: bad and also I was wrong, right, like Steph got better. Um, 487 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 1: and stuff has been been amazing. But like if you 488 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: even if you gotta take injury out because I don't 489 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: think I don't know Greg Oden would be in this NBA, 490 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: but it's hard to know because his body just let 491 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: him down from the second he became a pro. Who 492 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: would be your guy that you're like, Man, I just 493 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: missed on that one. I think Ben Simmons is a 494 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: guy that we were very vocal and questioning, you know, 495 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: things about him, his shooting, uh, you know, easy, a winner, 496 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: things like that, and I think he's you know, he 497 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: was an All Star this year, and I mean he 498 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: already struggling in the playoffs, but I think he showed that, 499 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's an absolute star, and you know, 500 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean I wonder in a different situation how he 501 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: would he look. But I'm pretty clearly we were wrong 502 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: on Ben Simmons. Um, Okay, let's get to this year's 503 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 1: NBA draft. Obviously, if I was and I didn't look 504 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: at I don't remember you. I'm sure your your mock 505 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: was like anybody's mock. Last year we had r J, right, 506 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: r J was the guy, and you wouldn't be You're 507 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: not crazy. You weren't wrong. Like coming into the year, 508 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: r J was the guy, and r J is still 509 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: probably gonna go I mean, it's gonna go third, but 510 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: people are far less in love with r J. Barrett 511 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: and I understand that the NBA game is different, high, 512 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 1: much higher volume of possessions, much more spread out. His 513 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: game is better suited for the NBA, especially offensively, and 514 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: he's going they're all gonna, you know, if if they 515 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: if they have a if they're a worker, and if 516 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: their jumper is not broken, they're gonna get better shooting 517 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: the basketball. But why why have people kind of is 518 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: it do you believe they soured on r J? Or 519 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: it's just Zion and jaw have have boat raced him 520 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: because of some of the jaw dropping stuff that they do. 521 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of the two. I mean, 522 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: people aren't quite as enthusiastic about r J today as 523 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: they were, you know, maybe when the season started. But 524 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: I mean Zion showed us already in that Canada trip 525 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: over the summer that he's the number one pick in 526 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: the draft. And you know from the from the very 527 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: first game that he played against Kentucky and it was 528 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: just like, this guy is incredible. I mean, he's he 529 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: has a chance to be, you know, a top ten 530 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: player in the NBA. He's he's just special. And so 531 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: he voultded to number one immediately. And then I mean 532 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: morant Um, you know, just this season he had just 533 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: the exciting my prospect as he is with his passing ability, 534 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: and so I still I am. I'm a big fan 535 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: of r J. Barrett, you know, but he was he 536 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: was surpassed by those two. But that doesn't mean that. 537 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: You know, it's only one day, you know, the NBA Draft, 538 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: and so he still has a chance to have a 539 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: great NBA career. I'd be very excited to draft him 540 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: in power the mix. Um. Okay, Darius Garland, I heard 541 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: um little Birdie told me they worked out for the Lakers. 542 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: He's worked out for a couple of people worked out 543 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: for the Lakers and they were blown away. They said 544 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: it was the best shooting workout they've ever had. Um. 545 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: I guess two years ago when they had Donovan Mitchell 546 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: in and you know, they drafted a Lonzo but all 547 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: the coaches all that the former staffs coaches thought they 548 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: should have either drafted Deer and Fox or or or 549 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell's. You know, some of that's money morning quarterbacking, 550 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: but that's actually what they told me at the time. 551 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: And they said that Garland's workout was second, maybe only 552 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: to to to Donovan Mitchell. But he's you know, he 553 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: got hurt and people haven't seen him, so there's not 554 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: the name recognition. What's your opinion of Darius Garlant? Well, 555 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: I actually went back and looked at our very first 556 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: mock draft and he was the number one point guard 557 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: on our board. He was ranked eighth at the time. 558 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: So it's not you know, people are always Peoper saying, well, 559 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, it helps him that he got hurt and 560 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have gotten this high. But I mean there's 561 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: a case to be made that had he played out 562 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 1: the season, we would be talking about him the same 563 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: way we're talking about John Morant, and he would ranked 564 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: ahead of John Morant at that time. And so it 565 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: doesn't shock me when I hear about all the the 566 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: making workouts like Garland is having, because we thought he 567 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: was that kind of count going to the year and 568 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: so it's just unfortunately that we weren't able to see it. Um. 569 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: So I heard the same thing as you that you know, 570 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: he was phenomenal with the Lakers, and the same thing 571 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: with with the Calves and um and with the Bulls, 572 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: and in this morning worked out for the Knicks. I 573 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: haven't heard yet how that went, but you know, he's 574 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,239 Speaker 1: a legitimate guy. So, um, I mean, would there be 575 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: any chance that the Knicks would sit there and go like, look, 576 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: Because here's the thing with r. J. Barrett, as has 577 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: always been told to me, and I kind of tend 578 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: to buy it some which is, if r J. Barrett 579 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: your guy, you give him the basketball in a James 580 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: Harden sort of way, like he's going to be productive. 581 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: He competes, you know, he likes to be plays off 582 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: a ball screen, he plays downhill. But he's not a 583 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: great shooter. He's a little stiff in terms of his movements, 584 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: his jump shots, a little stiff. It's not necessarily fluid, 585 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: like he doesn't have there's no he can't. He kind 586 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: of has to feel like he has to play in 587 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: a system where he has a high volume of possessions, 588 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: like he can't. It's like James Harden now where he 589 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: can't play him off the basketball. He's just not himself. 590 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: Whereas Derris Garland can really shoot the basketball and he 591 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: may become a star point guard. But even if not, 592 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: because he can because he has gravity, because he can 593 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: really shoot, he doesn't have to be the best player 594 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: right away. The same thing with Zion. Right like Zion, 595 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: the things he was able to do, a duke should 596 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: be able to translate more quickly in the NBA because 597 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: he the the offense wasn't necessarily designed around him. He 598 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: fit in with r J and to a lesser extent, 599 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: with Cam Reddish Um. So I guess the question becomes, 600 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: if you're the Knicks, do you do you believe that 601 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: they should have a long and hard thought about Garland 602 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: ahead of r J? Or do you believe r J 603 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: is that much better? I think r J is that 604 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: much better. And to me, the fact that he needs 605 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: the ball to be successful, that's that's attractive. I mean, 606 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: that's what he is. I mean, he's a guy who's 607 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: a he's a shot creator. I mean he's gonna be 608 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: And I think Zion is the same way. I think 609 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: Garland is the same way. You know, you're not exactly 610 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: looking for role players when you're drafting in the top five, 611 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: and so the fact that r J, you know, can 612 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: play that James Harden style, I think that's why he's 613 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: gonna be a high draft pick. And you know, I 614 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: think his shooting he's going to improve, you know, I 615 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: mean he he don't make two threes a game like 616 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: he did. If you if you can't shoot, obviously that 617 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: the percentages need to improve, but he will never be 618 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: surrounded by as many non shooters as he was this 619 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: year at Duke, And so I just think that, um, 620 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, and he's he just turned nineteen years old 621 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: five days ago, so there's a level of improvement that 622 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: you project there too. And just with the work ethic 623 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: and people, all of peopleould say, oh, you can't win 624 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: with R. J. Barry. He doesn't play winning basketball. I 625 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: mean all this guy has done his whole life's win. 626 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: He was you know, two times that's when same as 627 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: up in high school. He took the he played up 628 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: two and a half years at the Under nineteen more 629 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: Championship and beat the US for thirty nine points. And 630 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: they had a pretty good year at Duke too, and so, um, 631 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, he's done a lot of winning for a 632 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: guy who's supposed to be doesn't play winning basketball. No, 633 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: that was the whole m o on him was he 634 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: was a winner, right and now of a a sudden, they 635 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,960 Speaker 1: don't win when you're a Duke and you're not a 636 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: winner like ok okay, okay, sure, um, all right, let's 637 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: when you Then there's the then there's the question in 638 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: terms of point guard. Um, you have Darius. You have 639 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: Darius Garland, um, you know, and then you know, all 640 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: of a sudden you get kind of beyond him. And 641 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: there's some there's some others that I would say are 642 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: like in consideration, everybody talks about that fourth spot. Kobe 643 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: White is a name I've heard. Uh is has been 644 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: phenomenal and workouts. He's the all time land score and 645 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: state of North Carolina. Um. He he doesn't measure out 646 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: as long. I can't figure out if that's because his 647 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: hair makes him seem taller, so it makes his arms 648 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: seem shorter or maybe just not that long. How big 649 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: do you believe the gap is between Darius Garland and 650 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: Kobe White. I think it's significant. I'm not necessarily sure 651 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: that Kobe White is a starting point guard in the NBA, 652 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: and I think he's already benefited from how weak this 653 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: classes outside the top four. Um. You know, I think 654 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: that everybody is looking for guards and they're looking for 655 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: shooting and so if you just run out of names 656 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: really fast, and so Kobe White has you know, kind 657 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: of elevated himself into that conversation by you know, being 658 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,959 Speaker 1: in a phenomenal situation in North Carolina where they play 659 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: at a you know, really fast pace, and he has 660 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands all the time and he 661 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: can shoot whatever he wants. And he unlike r J, 662 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: he was surrounded by shooters, and not just shooters but seniors, old, 663 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: old players who can knock down shots and it's gonna 664 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: make you look good. And so to me, Kobe White 665 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:05,320 Speaker 1: is you know, he's a Patty Mills Jordan Clarkson type. Um. 666 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: I wouldn't take him, you know, in the top seven personally. Um, 667 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys that you have the people 668 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: are fans of and that then there's like a polarizing 669 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 1: side to him. I think Cam Reddish is probably the 670 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: guy that you get that the most. Right walks into gym, 671 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: You're like, what NBA team does he play for? Shoots 672 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,360 Speaker 1: the basketball like you see the release, You're like wow. 673 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: But there's something missing for most people. Um, some people 674 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: say it's personality. You'll get the I don't know if 675 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: he loves basketball thing. Um, you'll get the well, you 676 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: know you didn't make enough shots at Duke what what's 677 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: what's your assessment? Both having evaluated him and talked to 678 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: people around the NBA about Cam Reddish, I think he's 679 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,080 Speaker 1: going to be a better pro than he was a 680 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: college player. But I'd be petrified to draft him too high. 681 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: I would like to have him in a situation where 682 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 1: he can be your third or fourth best player, you know, 683 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: maybe somewhere like like the Hawks, for example. I think 684 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: that's intriguing, where he's not forced to be the guy, 685 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: because it's just it's not his personality to be the guy. 686 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 1: And you know, and I think he's gonna start off 687 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: well in the n B and I think he's gonna 688 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: get paid, and I wonder a little bit what happens 689 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: after that. That's those are my question marks, more so 690 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: than you know about his talent. But Famili, you're right, 691 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: I mean the productivity wasn't there. You know that the 692 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: list of players who shot under for two and got 693 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,799 Speaker 1: drafted in the first round, I mean, it's just it's one, 694 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: you know, in the history of the NBA, and it's 695 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: Monocai Richardson, you know, And he's out of the NBA now, 696 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: So that's the that's the huge rest flag. Um, you know, 697 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: like you have to give the benefit of the doubt 698 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: to RJ a little bit. With the lack of shooting. 699 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,520 Speaker 1: I think you have to do the same thing with 700 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: with Kim and you know he's only nineteen years old. 701 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: So and I mean the tools are are incredible, you know, 702 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: with the size and the length and frame and this 703 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: troke like you just said, so, I don't know, it's 704 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 1: it's a tough one for me. And there's certain guys 705 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: that you looked at and you say, you know, I'm 706 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: already happy to be in the forecasting business and not 707 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: in then in the actually making picks business. And you know, 708 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: Reddishes one of those guys. Bull Bull is another. A 709 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: couple of guys like that in the draft where you 710 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,479 Speaker 1: just you know, it could go so many different ways. 711 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: It's very hard to project. Okay, So I saw Bullbull 712 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: plan in high school. He's at Modern Day before he 713 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,879 Speaker 1: transferred to Finley. Um, I've had people watch him work out, 714 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: and I mean he's two eight pounds at seven two 715 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 1: or seven three is scary. He also he doesn't bend 716 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 1: his knees when he plays, and yes he can shoot, 717 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: but like, I don't know, I feel like that's kind 718 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: of some sometimes all he does like I would, that 719 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: would be a hard one for me. Granted he's not 720 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: gonna go top ten the draft probably you know somewhere 721 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,959 Speaker 1: mid too high teens to low twenties. What what what's 722 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: your evail on bull? He would scare me, you know, 723 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: I mean the further away you get from the lottery, 724 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 1: I think the more his upside becomes enticing. You know, 725 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: I'm in seven nine seven standing reach and the footwork 726 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: and the hands and the touch and just the sluit, 727 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: the slutity, the mobility, the affility to take a rebound 728 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: off the defensive glass and push it up and you know, 729 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,880 Speaker 1: unlike you know, like a Kevin Porter or a Reddish 730 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: who are you know those guys are you can say 731 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: they were teases in college? Bobo actually produced, you know, 732 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,320 Speaker 1: he put up twenty one points, ten rebounds, three blocks, 733 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: ended it efficiently. It wasn't against the strongest level of competition, 734 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,360 Speaker 1: but a Madison square guard in that game against Syracuse, 735 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: Holy cow. You know, like there you could look at 736 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: him and say, what's the difference between you know what 737 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: kristof Sportzingis was at age nineteen. I mean I watched 738 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: Christoph Worthing when he was nineteen. He was a bean pole. 739 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: He was soft um. All he wanted to do is 740 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: shoot the reas and then you know, as he got 741 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: into his twenties, his body started to evolve, he started 742 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: to get more confident. Um, and you know, just those 743 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: scoring instincts, the shop blocking instincts. And so if you 744 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: believe in your player development staff, you've be live in 745 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: bow Bows personality, which is that's a whole another thing 746 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: right there in terms of the work ethic and all that. 747 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: That's so I think where a lot of people are 748 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,000 Speaker 1: scared as well as the injury, you know, then maybe 749 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: you take you take a fire on him and that 750 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: you know that fifteen to twenty range or you know, 751 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: somewhere around them, and you say, you know, if it's 752 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: the weak draft, and so maybe if everything goes right, 753 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, maybe I have a star here. But I 754 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: mean it's it's a dice, you one, it's um. Just 755 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,240 Speaker 1: the thing is, there's just not a whole lot else. 756 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: And so that I think that's what's leading a lot 757 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: of g ms. I was at the lottery say let 758 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: me just take a fire on bow Bowl because you know, 759 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: I don't like any other guys. Honestly, what about Sechu? 760 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: What about I mean, I have he played Kyle Milling 761 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: got fired earlier this year, but he played for a 762 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 1: buddy mine, Kyle milling In in France for a bit 763 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 1: of time. Um, he's one of those measurables are good. 764 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: He's not as long as I thought he would be, 765 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: but uh, pretty athletic. Like what is he what is 766 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: he project to be? I mean, he's the prototype of 767 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: what a lot of teams are looking for at that 768 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,280 Speaker 1: at three four position, I mean, you know, two thirty pounds, 769 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,319 Speaker 1: he's six nine. He has almost a nine foot standing reach, 770 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: which is that's about average for an NBA center. And 771 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: so you look at the frame and you know, we've 772 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 1: got a realty comprehensive measurement database where you plug you 773 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 1: plug that in. You said, Okay, show me the NBA 774 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: players that he's more similar to. We havent with three 775 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: thousand players in there over the last thirty years, and 776 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: all of his comps are power forwards and centers. And 777 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: then you look at the fact that he's got a 778 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: pretty nice shooting stroke. Um, you know, he can handle 779 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: the ball a little bit. Um, and he's so young, 780 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he doesn't turn nineteen until December. And 781 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 1: there's not many guys in this year's draft class. I 782 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: think that you can put him in the league like France, 783 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: which is a highly competitive league, and they can score 784 00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: thirty four points in the game, you know, for a 785 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: playoff team. So, um, I like, say who? I mean 786 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: the questions with him are more about the motor, you know, 787 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,760 Speaker 1: the intensity level. He tends to float out there sometimes 788 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: doesn't always make the impact dispensive that you might hope. 789 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: And so there's a little bit of you know, theoretical 790 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,879 Speaker 1: prospect there. But you know, you know, we're talking about 791 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: Kobe White as a top six or seven guy, and 792 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: then you know people people are down on, you know, 793 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: DeAndre Honor and Jared Culver, Aliz these guys, and so 794 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: there is some real appeal and a guy like say 795 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: who you know with his upside, I'm I'm intrigued by it. Okay, Uh, 796 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: just just to tell him more, Um, what about what 797 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,720 Speaker 1: is it? Uh? How you pronounced goga? Um? Yes, Goga? 798 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 1: How do you say his last name? Okay? Go? Have 799 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: you did you go to the Republic of George and 800 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: watch him play? He played in Montenegro? I did? I 801 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: I did travel to to um Podgorza to why his 802 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: team play and I stay two nights. I watched in 803 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: practice too. Hold on, wait wait wait wait wait, wait, listen, 804 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: everybody else wants your information, which is great, and I 805 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: want that. Okay, So you go to Montenegro. How do 806 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,479 Speaker 1: you fly there? You fly from New York straight away 807 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: or you stopped somewhere. No. I was on like a 808 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: two week trip through Europe, and I think I came 809 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,759 Speaker 1: from Germany. I was in Germany the night before, and 810 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: there's there's a non stuff. I think I connected through 811 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: Paris to poor So okay, So what's Podgoritza, Montenegro? Like? 812 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: It's kind of gray. It's not like the prettiest place, 813 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: especially when I was there in January. Apparently outside uh 814 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: you know, like they have some of the best beaches 815 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,560 Speaker 1: in Europe, and so the summer in Montenegro supposed to 816 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,839 Speaker 1: be unbelievable. There are tons of like Russian oligarchs who 817 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,919 Speaker 1: own like a lot of lands, and um I think 818 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: that like, um a right, Popovich he has like a 819 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: house out there, apparently spent the summers and they it's 820 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: it's the food is really good, um, really nice people. 821 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it borders Serbia, and so you know, 822 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: tons of players came out of there and it's it's 823 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,040 Speaker 1: it had to rank the worst places I've been through, 824 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: it wouldn't even be in my top one, hund It's 825 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: a nice place and the beautiful hotel, and so I 826 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,399 Speaker 1: actually enjoyed my stay in there. Okay, So he's he's 827 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: got what seven two wingspan? He's uh, he's about to 828 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 1: turn twenty years old? What? What's what? I w I 829 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: hear his name called? What should? I think? It's kind 830 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,839 Speaker 1: of like a Brook Lopez type, you know, I mean, 831 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: slow footed, but good instincts as a shop blocker, pretty 832 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,359 Speaker 1: quick off its feet, can step outside, you can make 833 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,040 Speaker 1: a three pointer. Um, you know, just a very solid 834 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: all around players, skilled, good feet, good hands, good touch. 835 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: I think, you know, fifteen twenty years ago, he would 836 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,160 Speaker 1: have been a top five pick because the NBA is 837 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: kind of going away from these type of guys who 838 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 1: you know, are drop defenders. They you know, they can't switch, 839 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: They struggle to hedge. He doesn't you know change um 840 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,759 Speaker 1: ends very well. It's gonna hurt him a little bit 841 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: on Draft nine. He's got some buzz like in fifteen 842 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: or in Detroit, and then he probably doesn't get very 843 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: far into the twenties. If he even gets that far. 844 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: So I mean he was productive. I mean he played 845 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: in the year league. He average twelve and six and 846 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: twenty four minutes. He was the rising star, he was 847 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: a player, the Rookie of the Year essentially that competition. 848 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,320 Speaker 1: He's good. I mean, um, he's gonna be a solid player. Um. 849 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,920 Speaker 1: But you know, it's just it's it's it's not exactly 850 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: the type of big minute a lot of NBA teams 851 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: are working for these days. Adam A Coca. Uh, he's 852 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,720 Speaker 1: the He's French, right, super super athletic three. Indeed, what 853 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: is he a? Is he an NBA play I know 854 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 1: he'll be drafted in the second round, but is Adam Acca? 855 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 1: Does he translate to the NBA Defensively? Yes, I mean 856 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,479 Speaker 1: he's a big, strong guard. They played him with point guard. 857 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: He's six five six ten wings fin eight athlete, absolutely 858 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,520 Speaker 1: lockdown defender. Doesn't have really any offensive game at all. 859 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: He struggles to make shot, struggles to make free throws. 860 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,440 Speaker 1: And so he's a development player. I think somebody takes 861 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 1: him in the fifties, they stash him for a couple 862 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: of years either in a good development spot. He played 863 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,200 Speaker 1: on the same team actually as Goga Mega B Max 864 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: and so you know, he's twenty years old and you know, 865 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,879 Speaker 1: if he can develop some kind of jump shot, maybe 866 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: he can be a backup one day. And I think, 867 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 1: you know that's you'd be really happy with that. In 868 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,840 Speaker 1: the fifties, did you I take it when you're on 869 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: your two weeks go to Europe? Do you go see 870 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:39,240 Speaker 1: uh Olympia play and see Lucas some manage play. Yeah? 871 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,760 Speaker 1: I saw actually Olympia Lubliana play at home against Adam 872 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: Acca's team. Um, so I got, you know, two birds 873 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: with one stone and that was good. Um. I mean 874 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,400 Speaker 1: I've been watching him for a long time. Since he 875 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,279 Speaker 1: was fifteen years old. He's been on the radar. He's 876 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,399 Speaker 1: always been considered the number one prospect in his age 877 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 1: group in Europe, and he's gotten to know him pretty well. 878 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: He actually it was kind of messing around. Was hoping 879 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: to go playing college, and so the first time I 880 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: wanted to go see when he was fifteen, Um, his 881 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: trainer was wearing a Duke shirt, you know, because he 882 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 1: was They wanted me to take video and to send 883 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,800 Speaker 1: it to Duke and so they would offer him a 884 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 1: schoarship that never happened, but I mean, he's come a 885 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,040 Speaker 1: long way. I'm I'm proud of him because he was 886 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: considered a very soft kid early on in his career, 887 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,719 Speaker 1: especially from a you know, from a toughness standpoint mentality, 888 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,400 Speaker 1: and you know, he you know, he went to Barcelona, 889 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,960 Speaker 1: didn't really work out for him, and he went in 890 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: Slovenia this year. Had had a tough year. But he's 891 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: talented man. He's six eleven. He can switch, he can 892 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,279 Speaker 1: make threes, he's a he can handle the ball. Theoretically, 893 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: he does a lot of different things. It doesn't always 894 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: come together for him, but he's he's still so young, 895 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: and he's nineteen years old, and so he's he's got 896 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 1: time to figure it out. I can see if someone 897 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: taking him in the thirty fire range, you know, putting 898 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: him on their J league team and just hoping it 899 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,480 Speaker 1: works out, because that's that's the kind of big man 900 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,760 Speaker 1: that a lot of teams are looking for. Yeah, super 901 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,720 Speaker 1: super skilled. Okay, I have a question about a domestic 902 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:08,799 Speaker 1: player that I'm really torn on. I mean, I love 903 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: what he became, but I just don't see how it 904 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: works in the NBA. But everybody says ty Jerome was 905 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: grievous Fasquez. I mean, I don't know. I mean, he 906 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: just just jumping up and trying to shoot over like 907 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,840 Speaker 1: real NBA players. Feels like a reach. And I'm seeing 908 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 1: him on people's boards in the first you know, late 909 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,880 Speaker 1: first round. I'm not saying he's not tough. He makes shots. 910 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: He doesn't have to handle the ball, but he can. 911 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,720 Speaker 1: He can really passes Ti Drome a first round traffick. 912 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go in the first round. You know, 913 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,960 Speaker 1: you have to temper your expectations a bit when you're 914 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: talking about guys in the twenties, and I mean history 915 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,640 Speaker 1: tells you that fifteen of the thirty players draft in 916 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,680 Speaker 1: the first round aren't NBA players at all, you know, 917 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: after five years. And so if you're getting a guy 918 00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,600 Speaker 1: who can make shots and has a feel and he's 919 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,359 Speaker 1: competitive and is a good kid, I think you take that, 920 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,919 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the pedigree is there, and there's 921 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,120 Speaker 1: just isn't much shooting in this draft, and so I 922 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 1: think people and that's why they're looking at Cam Johnson. 923 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,320 Speaker 1: That's why Tyler hero is going to be a lottery 924 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 1: pick um, you know, because there's there's just really not 925 00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,759 Speaker 1: a lot of it out there, and so that's why 926 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,360 Speaker 1: I think the guy like Jerome is interesting because it 927 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,279 Speaker 1: teams in the twenties, they just they want someone that 928 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: they can play ten minutes a game, and there's just 929 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: there's not many guys like that in this year's class. 930 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 1: Is Jordan's? Do you think I think Jordan Caroline makes 931 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: the NBA? I know he probably goes undrafted. Um, but 932 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: you know everybody's searching for that small ball five. I 933 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: think he can shoot a little bit better than you 934 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: played shot in college. He's obviously a crazy athlete. Small Um, 935 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: am I crazy? You think Jordan Caroline's NBA player? I mean, 936 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: I don't have it myself. I wouldn't wouldn't shot me, 937 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,440 Speaker 1: you know, I just, Um, he's such. I think he's 938 00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: he probably is in the wrong sport. You know, he's 939 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 1: in the I have to I have two friends that 940 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: are GMS, and I was like, if if he doesn't 941 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,759 Speaker 1: get picked, you should offer him a contract immediately. Like 942 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: obviously his dad is Grandpa were great NFL players, Like, 943 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, he wants to play basket. The probably is 944 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 1: that Doug. He he measured six four. Essentially, he's a 945 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,920 Speaker 1: center who's six ft four barefoot. You know, it's not 946 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: like he's crazy long, and there's there's not a lot 947 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,640 Speaker 1: of skill, there's not a lot of feel there. So yeah, 948 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 1: he'll he'll knock people around. He might injure somebody, you know, 949 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,800 Speaker 1: But is that you know? I mean the Tyler Hansbrod, 950 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,160 Speaker 1: Tyler Hansbrod did Tyler hansbro Hansbrod led college about skeball 951 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,320 Speaker 1: on scoring? I mean, he was the best player in 952 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: the n c A and so Jordan Caroline and he didn't. 953 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,879 Speaker 1: They were just an okay team, you know, And so um, 954 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: I can see it on a two way I mean 955 00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: why not? But um, you know, I just don't see 956 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: a lot of upside there last thing. And like I 957 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 1: did kind of bury the lead Zion Williamson, if you 958 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,399 Speaker 1: like again, We're not gonna hold you to this. We're 959 00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,000 Speaker 1: not gonna do old takes exposed, freezing cold takes exposed 960 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,799 Speaker 1: or whatever. But best guess on what Zie Williams will 961 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,239 Speaker 1: uh what? What what happens with him? Does he like, 962 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,200 Speaker 1: does he have to lose weight? What does he look like? 963 00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: What has he play? Etcetera, etcetera. Give me your forecast 964 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: for Zie Williamson. I think he's gonna be a top 965 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,239 Speaker 1: ten player in the NBA. I'm all in on Zion Williamson. 966 00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,319 Speaker 1: I would like I hope that New Orleans, you know, 967 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,920 Speaker 1: gets some more shooting. I mean that's the thing that 968 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,279 Speaker 1: is going to be important for him, just because I 969 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,319 Speaker 1: honestly see him as a as a ball handler, as 970 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 1: a playmaker, as a facilitator, a guy who you know, 971 00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: kind of plays the way that the Honest does in Milwaukee. 972 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 1: You know, you just surround him with shooting because I 973 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,960 Speaker 1: think he's he's a good passer. I mean, he's very 974 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: skilled with the ball, and you just can't stay in 975 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,279 Speaker 1: front of him. I just don't know who. Who is 976 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,640 Speaker 1: a player in the NBA that can guard this dude. 977 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he's amazing. I think there's 978 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: a I think there's a b uch of different like 979 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: you you put together. Remember Kelly LeBrock in Weird Science, 980 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: right where they cut up different pieces of different women 981 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,880 Speaker 1: from different magazines, Like, that's what he is. Like. There's 982 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: a in terms of vertical leap, there's a Blake griff 983 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,879 Speaker 1: into him in terms of defensive versatility, and I think 984 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,360 Speaker 1: you have to lose weight in the pros. There's a 985 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,520 Speaker 1: Draymond Green to him, right, but he can actually unlike Draymond, 986 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: he can actually score in the low post, like he's 987 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: got a nice little low post game. Um. And then 988 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,880 Speaker 1: you know there's a there's there's a little Lebron to him, 989 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: maybe a honest to him, and that he is a 990 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,759 Speaker 1: he's not the pastor of Lebron. But he does like 991 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,040 Speaker 1: to pass and he's a pretty good passer. He's a 992 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 1: very good he's a good ball handler who's gonna get better. 993 00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,120 Speaker 1: Like I do. I it's a hard comp because there 994 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,480 Speaker 1: isn't one, but that doesn't mean I don't think he's 995 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: he's I love how they'll be defensively potentially in New Orleans, 996 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,920 Speaker 1: like they got guys that will get after people. And 997 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,799 Speaker 1: I my only thing, My two things are, you know, 998 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: can you lose the weight? Can you can you lose 999 00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: because I think he's gonna have to lose the weight 1000 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: to to stay healthy. Um, even though I know he's built, 1001 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,400 Speaker 1: but I mean, like you've seen him in person, like 1002 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: he's built. He looks like a football player playing basketball 1003 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,160 Speaker 1: in terms of his body. And then yeah, and then yeah, 1004 00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: but he's he's just he's so thick like that's not 1005 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,759 Speaker 1: how basketball players usually look, right Like, right, um, that's 1006 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,960 Speaker 1: not not how basketball players usually play. There's a lot 1007 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 1: of things about him that aren't like anybody else. And 1008 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,359 Speaker 1: you know, I'm with you on all that. The one 1009 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,719 Speaker 1: thing I think we need to mention is people love 1010 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 1: playing with him. I mean, he's an unbelievable teammate. He's 1011 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,799 Speaker 1: incredibly humble, he deflects everything back towards the team, and 1012 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 1: so and that's just such a special quality to have 1013 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,399 Speaker 1: in your best player. And other guys are gonna want 1014 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,120 Speaker 1: to play with him in terms, so he's gonna bring 1015 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,960 Speaker 1: guys with him to New Orleans. Not not today, not tomorrow, 1016 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,320 Speaker 1: but in three or four years from now, they're gonna 1017 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 1: have a squad because people are gonna want to be 1018 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,759 Speaker 1: with that guy. He's he's, he's more, he's he does 1019 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,520 Speaker 1: everything honestly, and he's he really is the whole package. 1020 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,960 Speaker 1: And so just so, it was so much fun cover 1021 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: in the Sky for a year, and it's gonna be 1022 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 1: so much fun watching him in New Orleans. It's honestly, 1023 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,239 Speaker 1: that's a great point you bring up, And I know 1024 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,400 Speaker 1: you gotta run, but this this just This is kind 1025 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,239 Speaker 1: of a really important thing that people should realize, is that, like, 1026 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,800 Speaker 1: look in the NBA, you're around these guys NonStop. Really. 1027 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,919 Speaker 1: I mean there's about a month in the summer where 1028 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: you're not, but for the most part, it's a ten 1029 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,520 Speaker 1: eleven month around around people. And I had this interesting 1030 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,480 Speaker 1: conversation with somebody about I'll just say Moses Brown and 1031 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,840 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, I want to see Moses Brown and 1032 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,800 Speaker 1: you know, picking apart his game and and it's interesting 1033 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: kind of something you said, you know, fifteen years ago, 1034 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,160 Speaker 1: Moses Brown is probably a top ten, top fifteen pick 1035 00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: right because his center he's big. And he said, you know, 1036 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,160 Speaker 1: he's just not great energy there, and um, what was 1037 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,759 Speaker 1: the big guy from U and l V? Was it 1038 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:55,399 Speaker 1: last year or a year before? Uh shoot? Uh man, um, 1039 00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,600 Speaker 1: why am I forgetting? And anyway, we sat there and 1040 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 1: and it was interesting. I was like, yeah, yes, I said, 1041 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,280 Speaker 1: I said, you know, he's kind of Brandon McCoy where 1042 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, he's from a foregone for you know, player 1043 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 1: from a foregone era. But more than anything, like if 1044 00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 1: you go and watch Brandon McCoy play, it's just guys 1045 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,960 Speaker 1: don't love playing with him. Guys aren't energy. Like he 1046 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,280 Speaker 1: gets a dunk and he screams, but nobody else screams 1047 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,800 Speaker 1: with him, you know, And there is something to being 1048 00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,400 Speaker 1: being a you know, especially when you're young coming in 1049 00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 1: the NBA, like, dude, you should be having fun and 1050 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,040 Speaker 1: people should want to play with you. And Zion has 1051 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: that it factor, which is is unique because they don't 1052 00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,760 Speaker 1: all have it. Some of them are wired a little 1053 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: differently now to where they you know, it's so much 1054 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,880 Speaker 1: about their brand and Syria and there and their social 1055 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,879 Speaker 1: media like that dude just goes out and has fun 1056 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,080 Speaker 1: and everybody has fun with them, and that might be 1057 00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:55,200 Speaker 1: the most special character characteristic of why he could be 1058 00:54:55,239 --> 00:55:00,880 Speaker 1: a superstar. And I think Marina about that too, and 1059 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,440 Speaker 1: so um. You know, that's why this is. This has 1060 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,479 Speaker 1: been a fun draft to cover and I'm really start 1061 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 1: to see how these guys turn out in the NBA. 1062 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,720 Speaker 1: But you're right, I mean, the off the court stuff, 1063 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,960 Speaker 1: it matters. It's a ton And that's why you know, 1064 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,759 Speaker 1: going out and meeting these kids when they're fifteen and 1065 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 1: getting to you know, and watching them and their families 1066 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: and all that, interviewing them, that's that's why we do that, 1067 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, so we can get to today and we 1068 00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,440 Speaker 1: and there's a comfort level there and you can you know, 1069 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,520 Speaker 1: the intel and all that. It's so important. Last thing, 1070 00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 1: last thing, your favorite kid in this draft. You talk 1071 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: about meeting their families. Give me one that you're like, Man, 1072 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,319 Speaker 1: I just I'm a little I'm a little biased because 1073 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:47,319 Speaker 1: I love this kid or I love his family. There's 1074 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,120 Speaker 1: a lot of them. Honestly, there's I mean there's a 1075 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,120 Speaker 1: bunch of guys that I can I can point to. Um, 1076 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, Jackson Hayes, just the story is so interesting. 1077 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,359 Speaker 1: You know, I can't wait to see how that one 1078 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: turns out. Um, Tyler Hero I put him kind of 1079 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,440 Speaker 1: in that same boat. Um, Cam Johnson, really cool guy 1080 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,399 Speaker 1: to spend time with. Eric Pasco. Um, you know, it's 1081 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: just an awesome college player and awesome dude and gonna 1082 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,759 Speaker 1: have a you know, gonna have a good endvia career 1083 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,320 Speaker 1: and pretty store of it. Um. There's a couple of 1084 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,000 Speaker 1: the guys, um lut door. I mean Grant Williams the 1085 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 1: guy that I think we need to talk about. Two. 1086 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: I mean, like that dude could run for office, you know, 1087 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:29,319 Speaker 1: like if he if he doesn't make the NBA. So Um, 1088 00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,800 Speaker 1: most of these guys are are are really good kids, 1089 00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,879 Speaker 1: you know, and so that's I do think the cream 1090 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,600 Speaker 1: rights to the to the top and the mount of 1091 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,800 Speaker 1: these instances, no question, Pascal, I think you had a 1092 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: longer neck, he would be the right side of you'd 1093 00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,000 Speaker 1: like crazy long arms. I think it'll be a good 1094 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,520 Speaker 1: pro I'm intrigued by the Jackson Hayes thing. And and Tyler, 1095 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: Tyler hero man. He's got that his sneakers squeak a 1096 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,719 Speaker 1: little differently. I can't wait to see what he's able 1097 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,800 Speaker 1: to do in the NBA. I know you're super busy. 1098 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: Your content is amazing. I've always followed it. I can't 1099 00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,719 Speaker 1: tell you how much I appreciate you join me on this. 1100 00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thanks Doug. Be sure to catch 1101 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: live editions so the Doug dot Leap Show week days 1102 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,120 Speaker 1: in noon eastern three pm Pacific. All right, that's it 1103 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,239 Speaker 1: for the All Ball Podcast. I hope you enjoyed the 1104 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,439 Speaker 1: NBA Draft. I am surprised Tron Raptors are the NBA 1105 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: champions sort of, although all season long we talked about it. Look, 1106 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,000 Speaker 1: they were close, they were close, they were close. Then 1107 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,600 Speaker 1: Lebron James that they could never get past left and 1108 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 1: they added a better player than to Mardin Rosen and 1109 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,880 Speaker 1: kwi Ard. Why can't they be there? I'll leave you 1110 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,320 Speaker 1: there with this one last thing. It looks bad for 1111 00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,919 Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics right now, doesn't it. Kyrie Irvan's gone. 1112 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: It looks like Al Horford's gone. Here's what I know. 1113 00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,600 Speaker 1: Carrie was just a jerk man. He's just one of 1114 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,160 Speaker 1: those guys that's kind of smart but thinks he's brilliant. 1115 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,800 Speaker 1: And he wanted to treat the younger guys like they 1116 00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,120 Speaker 1: were they were less than human. They just they weren't 1117 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,680 Speaker 1: at his level until actually, and he'd constantly challenged them 1118 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: just to you know, just to point things out that 1119 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:06,840 Speaker 1: they're not aware of. And there's a way to do it, 1120 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,680 Speaker 1: there's a way to lead. And he really struggled with it. 1121 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 1: And as for al Horford leaving, I think Al Horford 1122 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the day is a businessman and 1123 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:17,400 Speaker 1: he sits there and goes, look, I can stay in 1124 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,480 Speaker 1: Boston or I go get a Max contract in Dallas 1125 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 1: or something. So I'm gonna go do that unless Boston 1126 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,439 Speaker 1: wants to pay me the backs. And Danny Ainge, who 1127 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,720 Speaker 1: look man if you don't think Danny Ange built a juggernaut, 1128 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 1: then you should kind of look at their results as 1129 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,320 Speaker 1: opposed to just about anybody else in the East, even 1130 00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,480 Speaker 1: with Lebron James there, they were constantly with the exception 1131 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,520 Speaker 1: of the one year they tanked, constantly competitive and they 1132 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,600 Speaker 1: looked then they're like, look, Al Horford is a good player, 1133 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,000 Speaker 1: he's a great guy, great character. We'd love to resign 1134 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:53,080 Speaker 1: him for three years, not for max money. You know, 1135 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,440 Speaker 1: max money, four year deal for Al Horford takes you 1136 00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:00,960 Speaker 1: when he's thirty seven years old. Do you think Al 1137 00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,080 Speaker 1: Herford at thirty seven years old is gonna be worth 1138 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, thirty million dollars a year. No, somebody's gonna 1139 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,360 Speaker 1: pay it. It's not gonna be the Boston Celtics. So 1140 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,600 Speaker 1: you may think that's the side of a bad GM. Look, 1141 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,960 Speaker 1: they didn't get Lebron. They didn't when they got When 1142 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,160 Speaker 1: they got a chance to get Kevin Garnett, they got 1143 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,200 Speaker 1: a championship out of it. They did the best they 1144 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 1: could with it, and when they left they reinvigorated themselves 1145 00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,040 Speaker 1: with all the traff picks and when they had a 1146 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,400 Speaker 1: chance to go get Kyrie Irving, they did so How 1147 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: could you have possibly seen Gordon Hayward breaking his leg 1148 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,520 Speaker 1: and Kyrie irving Um having to have a couple of 1149 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,600 Speaker 1: different knee operations and the team playing well in spite 1150 00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,240 Speaker 1: of those injuries which caused strife when both those guys 1151 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: came back. Could you have seen that happening? The answer 1152 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,960 Speaker 1: is probably not. I don't think Jayson tatums as good 1153 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 1: as the reputation, and I think he was feeling himself 1154 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,160 Speaker 1: a little bit this year because so many people, you know, 1155 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,240 Speaker 1: blew him up over how well he played in the playoffs. Um, 1156 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,439 Speaker 1: I don't think Terry Rozier is a starting point guard 1157 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,360 Speaker 1: on a lead NBA team. I think everybody kind of 1158 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,920 Speaker 1: knows that. That's why there's not openly opening for Terry Rozier. 1159 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 1: He might maybe the Lakers steal him, you know, and 1160 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,720 Speaker 1: overpay Overpam, but uh, I think those guys played above 1161 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,680 Speaker 1: their level. People forget some of the things that went 1162 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,320 Speaker 1: bumping the night in order for them to get to 1163 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,800 Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference finals, right Like, they didn't match up 1164 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,800 Speaker 1: with the Raptors, and they didn't you know, they didn't 1165 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,080 Speaker 1: have to match up with the Raptors are the best 1166 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,640 Speaker 1: team and they always matched up well with the Philadelphia 1167 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,080 Speaker 1: seventy sixers, who were probably too young at that point 1168 01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,280 Speaker 1: to beat him. And as bad as this season was, 1169 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:45,920 Speaker 1: they still wanted a playoff series. And Kyrie is still leaving. 1170 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,360 Speaker 1: Kyrie doesn't leave, and that's his own choice. We're having 1171 01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 1: a completely different conversation. So I don't hold Danny Aine 1172 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,960 Speaker 1: somehow responsible like he's done a bad job. He's done 1173 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,720 Speaker 1: a great job. And now they're having more draft picks 1174 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:58,280 Speaker 1: and more cap space and chance to go out and 1175 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,480 Speaker 1: find and we'll see if Gordon hey Word can ever 1176 01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,280 Speaker 1: return to form. And the people who criticize the Celtics 1177 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: for playing Gordon Heyward so much, look, dude, have you 1178 01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: paid that much for a free agent and you were 1179 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: trying to get him ready for the playoffs. You have 1180 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,800 Speaker 1: to play him a ton in the regular season in 1181 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 1: order to get him ready for the playoffs. The NBA 1182 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,360 Speaker 1: is fascinating. Um, So next week we'll recap the NBA Draft. 1183 01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Next week we'll get b we'll be right into free agency, 1184 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,720 Speaker 1: getting you ready to see what happens with k D, 1185 01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,320 Speaker 1: what happens with Kyrie, what happens with Kauai, what happens 1186 01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,520 Speaker 1: with Kemba, everybody with the name K will be discussed 1187 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,320 Speaker 1: and then we'll get you ready for our summer long 1188 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,640 Speaker 1: interview series. Last year was awesome. If you miss j Billis, 1189 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,800 Speaker 1: download that one. In the meantime, my daily radio show 1190 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,800 Speaker 1: is three to six Eastern twelve to three Pacific on 1191 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,040 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app and Fox Sports Radio, Fox 1192 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,440 Speaker 1: Sports Radio dot Com as well as Serious XM. I 1193 01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 1: think it's two oh three and two seventeen. Don't hold 1194 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,200 Speaker 1: me to that. In the meantime, thanks for downloading. Don't 1195 01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:00,480 Speaker 1: forget to subscribe and rate. I think I might make 1196 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,160 Speaker 1: a little bit more money when you do that. Maybe not, 1197 01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,080 Speaker 1: but just do it for me. I appreciate it. Make 1198 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,760 Speaker 1: sure you tweet me your questions at Gottlieb Show. Will 1199 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:11,760 Speaker 1: answer them next week. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is all 1200 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:11,960 Speaker 1: ball