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Speaker 1: was because I love the culture. I'm not a rap fan.

427
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Speaker 1: I'm a hip hop yeah you And when I say

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Speaker 1: hip hop, I mean the elements. And so for me,

429
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Speaker 1: it was about I was watching where hip hop was

430
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Speaker 1: heading and we're heading too, and where it's at now

431
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Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with hip hop anymore. It

432
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Speaker 1: has to do one l element of hip hop, but

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Speaker 1: that's not hip hop to me, and to me, it's

434
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Speaker 1: about you know, I'm watching it's splinter and I don't

435
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Speaker 1: want to see it splinter, and even if it does splinter,

436
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Speaker 1: I want these cats. I want to know that these

437
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 1: cats doing rap know about what happened before them, why

438
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Speaker 1: it happened, and what were the other pieces to it

439
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 1: and and is it is there a way you could

440
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: bring elements of that back into it? But it's splinter now,

441
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: it's shattered. So you know, the boys have you go

442
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: to these the World BBoy Championships, they have very little

443
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: to do with hip hop anymore. I mean, it might

444
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Speaker 1: have the two elements, just the breaking and the graffiti,

445
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: but even even rap music barely has any you know,

446
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 1: there's very very, if if any elements, are hip hop

447
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 1: left in it. So for me, doing hip Hop Evolution

448
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Speaker 1: was about I want to tell the story of what

449
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Speaker 1: it was, what it was to me, and why it

450
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Speaker 1: is where it is today and hope that some young

451
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: kid watches and goes, hey, if there's more to it

452
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: than this, we should fucking investigate. And you know what, THO,

453
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Speaker 1: big shout to the kids that are doing that, because

454
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Speaker 1: there are there are those kids, and you know they're

455
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: they're just as broken as we were, right and sometimes

456
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Speaker 1: we talk like they're not, you know what I'm saying,

457
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Speaker 1: But you know, a big salute to them, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And and and then and and they're digging,

459
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Speaker 1: they're digging the sounds. And then and then and they're

460
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Speaker 1: learning and then growing from sometimes the same very same

461
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Speaker 1: records that we did, you know what I'm saying, because

462
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Speaker 1: they're listening at the same age, you know, style this

463
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Speaker 1: weekend and that they were all there, and at one

464
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Speaker 1: that I can't get in the spher anymore, and then

466
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Speaker 1: dance and I'm just looking and I'm like thinking to myself, like, wow,

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Speaker 1: in five years, all these kids, probably except for one

468
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Speaker 1: I started. I started on on a tangent, and I

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Speaker 1: started on, you know, to to bring a point home,

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Speaker 1: and it was to your your point, which was you're

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Speaker 1: saying that, uh, it can't happen because somebody wants to

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Speaker 1: be on top. So in that conversation with Anthony Anderson

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Speaker 1: and uh Cedric, what happened was when I said, well,

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Speaker 1: we can do that, Cedric said, no, we can't. He

516
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Speaker 1: took your position. He said no we can't. I said why.

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Speaker 1: He said, because somebody's gonna want to be the boss.

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Speaker 1: I said, motherfucker, I don't care. You can be the boss.

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Speaker 1: What are you talking about? You just want to be supreme, right,

520
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Speaker 1: you don't need to be ross? Yeah, I could care less.

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Speaker 1: So then I said, Mary Wills is just as important,

522
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Speaker 1: just as important. But why not do what a regular

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Speaker 1: corporation would do and say, Okay, well, since we can't

524
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Speaker 1: decide who wants to be the fucking boss, let's hire

525
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Speaker 1: a CEO. Let's hire a figurehead to make the we're

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Speaker 1: gonna and we're gonna right. Isn't that what isn't that

527
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Speaker 1: what Zerox does? Isn't that what Tessla and Toyota do.

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Speaker 1: Zerox is out of business, sir, I'm saying, but actually,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like you know, like you know,

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Speaker 1: like just and say, like you know, there's a stuff

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Speaker 1: motherfucker's under his name at this point, Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that whoever these money makers, you know, I'm

533
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Speaker 1: saying like somebody you know, like yeah, because but whatever

534
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Speaker 1: they they're not doing the ship under their name. Well

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Speaker 1: you know that they they're not in the office. And

536
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Speaker 1: you know what you had, you had you had you

537
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Speaker 1: had Steven Spielberg and and and Geffen and who was

538
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Speaker 1: the other cats and Berg works. Yeah, they did DreamWorks.

539
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Speaker 1: Now you mean to tell me these three figured out

540
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: how they could all come together and not one of

541
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: them has to be the boss in order for them

542
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Speaker 1: to make billions of dollars. And you're talking about three

543
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: major names. That's true, that's true. So like in that situation,

544
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: not one name really outweighs the other. True. Maybe Spielbert,

545
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Speaker 1: but he's just more of a known name. That doesn't

546
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Speaker 1: mean cats and birds, um, you know, And contribution was

547
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Speaker 1: not it was any less or saying with David Geffen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are like successful and and that's something

549
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Speaker 1: that you know, I hate to say it, but it's

550
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Speaker 1: something that the Jews figured out how to do that

551
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: we the rest of us cannot figure out. Crazy yeah right,

552
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: and and talking and that's and that's liking each other,

553
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: not liking each other, loving each other, hating each other,

554
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter the difference. Business is business, you

555
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And we gotta be we gotta

556
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Speaker 1: get there. Rollings dollars came at each other, but yeah,

557
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Speaker 1: we gotta get stays like you know what's like yeah, right,

558
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: Like it's holding us on so many levels that we

559
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: can't come together and do business. As you know, we

560
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: were talking about this earlier, like like that we can't

561
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: get unite on anything like later for the power of it,

562
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: didn't black break up, it happened, well listen um later

563
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: for like the power of black people come together or

564
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Speaker 1: brown people. Imagine if yeah, if all people of you

565
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, of any pigment came together for

566
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: any one, cause just the power of that, Like like

567
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: in in life altering situations, things that aren't fair to

568
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: us that we don't want to happen to ourselves or

569
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: our family. When they happen, everyone should stop, you know

570
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And you know what, George Floyd, I

571
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: think a lot of us came like yeah, like yeah, yeah,

572
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: like like like but that should happened for every single

573
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: situation of injustice, you know, saying like like that's what

574
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: the results should be, you know what I'm saying, Like

575
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: like because otherwise, like the ship is all it's all bullshit,

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00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like like like if we're

577
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: gonna let my fucker's continue to do what has been

578
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: systemically done, you know, saying with the same fucking results

579
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: every time, generation after generation, Like like The only thing

580
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna stop it is us stopping it altogether. You say, so,

581
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: if whoever is white supremacists is cool with the ship happening,

582
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: and we're not. When the ship happens, we need to

583
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: step back from the motherfucker's that are cool with it

584
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: happening all together. But I also I also think that

585
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: another problem is that everybody doesn't see their value. You

586
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Speaker 1: get what I'm saying, like like like we all have

587
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: a value, and we don't understand that that value that

588
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: that my value is that may not be at the

589
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: at the level of his value, but my value BAFs

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Speaker 1: something that is important that could be utilized and and

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00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: and that's that's and that's wrong. Your level is at

592
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: the value I'm saying. Number one, You know what I'm saying.

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00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: Number two, That's exactly what I'm speaking to. Whether it

594
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Speaker 1: happens to you, him him him him hurt if we're

595
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Speaker 1: together and and and when I say I'm not just

596
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Speaker 1: saying that all white people, you know, the white people

597
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Speaker 1: that aren't with them or with us, they stop, we

598
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: step back at all of our lives are the fucking

599
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: same values here with money? Who I love? What anybody's

600
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Speaker 1: salary is. I'm serious. I don't care what somebody's salary is,

601
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Speaker 1: and I don't care what they invented or didn't invent.

602
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that there's no difference in

603
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Speaker 1: the value of what they are they breathe or the

604
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: air you breathe, ever ever, that's that's, that's and when

605
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: you get together, then you become valuable. Everybody's word word.

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00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: So Dress, I'm going back to you and Jerobes project,

607
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: and I'm only bringing that up only because I know

608
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: you've tried different things. Right, Um, when was the last

609
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: time you felt uh unity in anything that you are

610
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: part of, that you felt you lean on someone? And

611
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm only saying that as an experiment because I've had

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Speaker 1: conversations with class acts and I've wished because I want

613
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Speaker 1: all my legends to be Donn's forever. Right, No, I

614
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Speaker 1: mean honestly ability to lean on someone or something like

615
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Speaker 1: a community or something. Um, I know, I know I

616
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Speaker 1: know what cats are there, but I think I think

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Speaker 1: what exists within me personally as a man, and you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe some m c with lives within that, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I don't. I don't. I probably don't reach out

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Speaker 1: to my village, as I probably need to not even

621
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Speaker 1: should you know what I'm saying, as I probably need to. Um,

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Speaker 1: I've as I've gotten older, I've been able to speak

623
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Speaker 1: a little more freely within my circle, you know, and

624
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: my circle is kind of expanding, which is kind of cool.

625
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: So you know, like I'm you know, as I've gotten

626
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: all the clicks that necessarily might not have ever really

627
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: kicked it are now, you know, spending the day together,

628
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying in golfing what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: and you know, like it's like like like life has

630
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: become a different thing, you know, like with fathers, with husbands,

631
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Speaker 1: with boyfriends, where a bunch of things. You know that

632
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: that when we were young, we weren't any of them,

633
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And you know, life is

634
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Speaker 1: a little different. So I'm learning to navigate. I never

635
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: realized how important relationships were in developing. Honestly, I always

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867
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: to see Hamilton's right, And what tripped me out was

868
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: I couldn't really I couldn't enjoy the show because my

869
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: business mind kick did. So I'm sitting there watching the

870
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: play and during the middle of the playoffs started googling

871
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: how many seats to this place? And I'm going, I

872
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: know how much I'm paid for my tickets. I'm going,

873
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 1: wait a minute, what they're doing. I don't go. I

874
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: gotta do a stage play because this ship is, this

875
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: is what this is, what, this is, what this man does.

876
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: When you go on the road, you're doing a stage play.

877
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: It's just you're the only cast member, right right. And

878
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm going, wait a minute, am I missing this change

879
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 1: motivation because I'm sitting there seeing everybody else is blinded

880
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: by the show. I'm going, wait a minute. You know

881
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I see some more than the show

882
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: and it's just a business here, It's really and when

883
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: I'm speaking to is exactly what we're all speaking to,

884
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: us believing in ourselves to get to to get the theater,

885
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: to create the stage, right well, that's the same thing

886
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: I have said before I started doing arenas and ship

887
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 1: like that. I remember going to a Raptors game in

888
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: Toronto and sitting there and looking at the Air Canada

889
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: Center at the time and thinking, whole she's a lot

890
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: of motherfucker's in here. I was like, could you imagine

891
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: doing comedy in front of this many people? Now I've

892
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: sold it out seven times, so like yeah, and even

893
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: still every time I play it, I'm like, I'm blown

894
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: away by it. It's never lost on. He was like, oh,

895
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: I gotta go do the banks and got every single

896
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: time I do it, I'm like, this is fucking insane, insane.

897
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: I got to perform halftime there, right, it's insane. Yeah,

898
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 1: And that Jews have sold it out seven times, It's like,

899
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: you know, for me it's crazy. Is that I met

900
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: Bentley seventeen years ago. Bentley's brothers so happen to be

901
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: my entertainment lawyer and Bentley kenned DC. I was a

902
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 1: radio but it's it's nine and I wanted to be

903
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: an actor, but I can't figure out how to leave

904
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: my comforts. Thank you always. No Maan, who's just a

905
00:51:55,120 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: deep But people don't see me. But you know, I

906
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: remember me and Bentley and and Bentley and I said, yo, man,

907
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. And Bentley stopped me,

908
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: and he says, come out to her. Like I was, like,

909
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,879
Speaker 1: what it's like, come out to l a see here.

910
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: But I don't have He says, you know me, trust me,

911
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: My brother got you. My brother talks good about you.

912
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 1: If you put in the work, if you are my brother,

913
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: say you are, come out to her like so sixteen

914
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 1: years later. But the funny part about that is that

915
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: when I was leaving d C, everybody said, you crazy.

916
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: You're fifty two years old and you're not going to

917
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: act it when you got it made over here and

918
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,760
Speaker 1: you comfortable over here. But I was. I was getting

919
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: on the radio session. I was unhappy. I couldn't. I

920
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: can't talk about it right, and like I talked about

921
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: it when I started, I couldn't. You know, I can't

922
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: even motivate myself to simply press a button and talk,

923
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: because that's that is what I all indicated now upon me,

924
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: Like is it that it was all syndicated now? And

925
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: I give it Like they've taken so much power out

926
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: of the hands that the DJs anything to do with it.

927
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: Here's it's you hit it right right on the notes

928
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: because it's like it's like thinking Russell, how creative. Russell

929
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: is right, but people don't understand about ready. When you're

930
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: a creative person and you have talent, radio kills you

931
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: because they tell you what to say when they say it,

932
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: They tell you what to play, when to play it,

933
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: and and and you basically radio it's the simp. This

934
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: they put, they put, they put the ship lighters. Can

935
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: about to do those lighters? And I kind of kind

936
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: of pull you one second. That's one of the biggest

937
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: problems with music today is that they've taken the power

938
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: out of the DJ. The DJ was the catalyst of music.

939
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: You know how they know I'm saying of things, of

940
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: things that we hadn't heart, you know how they pimped it.

941
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: The easiest way to take the problem and say you're

942
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: doing something illegally, you're doing payola. That's the easiest way.

943
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: But executive and doing at a different level. So what

944
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 1: they doing on the street, it's all it's all greed.

945
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: So so they it's all right, I'm seeing your vice

946
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: president part right. This is what they're created in the

947
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: past ten years. So this one guy. If you look

948
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: at all the radio stations this this's this's maybe five

949
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: to ten Mom and Pops radio station that I owned

950
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: by one identity. That's one station in that community. Everybody

951
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: else it's a corporation. So they get one guy to

952
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: tell everybody else what record to break and when you're

953
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: gonna break it, and now you're gonna break it. He

954
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: makes a decision because he's sitting down with the record

955
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: execs and they'll be like, all right, we gotta give

956
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: you five dollars, right, so the way they are to

957
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: be pale and they're gonna say, okay, we're gonna sell it.

958
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: Like part of this money is for promotion. So when

959
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: you listen to radio, they'll be like, hey, with a

960
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: trip to the Bahamas courtesy of L. L. Cool j

961
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: you know and death Jazz. They want to send it

962
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: to the Bahamas if you get the new you know,

963
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: that's how. But that doesn't cost them no money. There's

964
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: no money, and that for them, they're already making their money.

965
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: So they owned the airwaves and they pushing like their one.

966
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: So when you realize you're sitting there every day for

967
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: four hours because there four hours turns into eight in

968
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: your mind. You're like, there if I've been here for

969
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: twelve hours, eight hours. No, you've been there for four hours.

970
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: But you played the same record and they they they

971
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: they've taken it's a native guy. You can't get like

972
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: like I understand that. Because the DJ was where we

973
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: went to as young hip hoppers to find out what

974
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: was new. We studied that tape for the week because

975
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: we only got hip hop on the weekends. So that

976
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: tape that we made on the on the on the weekend,

977
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: we listened to it for the entire week. It was

978
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: important that we would introduced weekly to new hip hop.

979
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: You also went to the club back in the day

980
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: to them that you weren't exactly exactly DJs now have been.

981
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: They've become pro They that program directed themselves. So now

982
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: when they're in clubs away from the program directors power

983
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: of a station, they're still there playing like you know what.

984
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: But but it's a formula because what happens is again

985
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: in seven. In seven, we I was working for Affinity

986
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: Broadcasting NBC, which is which it was the powerhouse. They

987
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: had a new year assistant program rector and he went

988
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,439
Speaker 1: into all the DJs and say this is a list

989
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: of all the records you could pray if you play anything.

990
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about a mixture. We're not talking about

991
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: the regular fourteen records. You're talking about thirty minutes of

992
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: NonStop commercial whatever. If you play anything out of this,

993
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna find you for every record that you play

994
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 1: out of this. And they're finding the DJ two for

995
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: record so they can control That's how they control it.

996
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: So they One they also did in the DC market

997
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: is that DJ has become real popular if you in

998
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: the main nightclub. So because we go do live broadcast

999
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: from the clubs, DC is still one of those cities

1000
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: that radio is a big impact. So the biggest DJ

1001
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: right now in DC is a guy called DJ quick

1002
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: Civil because he's a guy that does radio and he

1003
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: mixes at the five o'clock and he mixes on the

1004
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: water Shop. So when he goes to a club, he

1005
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: gives you what he knows. He's live in the club

1006
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: playing the same list that they tell them. That doesn't

1007
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: not let's build upon this. Do you think that the

1008
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: playlists that they're they're playing right now has anything to

1009
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: do with now now, now walk with me here private

1010
00:57:54,760 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: prisidents has become big business. Private prisidons going down, private

1011
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: prisoners has become big business. You know what I'm saying.

1012
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah right, several people invested in you know they felt

1013
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: the same way. I'm just saying. Just say, like, Yo,

1014
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: this playlist that we're talking about, do you think that

1015
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: it has anything to do that it has the toxicity

1016
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: of these this particular playlists of today has anything to

1017
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: do with pumping that pipeline, that pipe, that pipeline that

1018
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 1: that it's listen. This is because I have my niece,

1019
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: she's nine years old, and my and her mom sent

1020
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: me a video of my nine year old niece and

1021
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: her friends singing whop all right, And then I hear

1022
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: my my, my, my sister in laws saying you're not

1023
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: allowed to sing this song and you don't want to

1024
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: listen to this song. But my nine year on these

1025
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: make it drop from the top. But what's introduced Look

1026
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: at what's being introduced to by us, but as a community.

1027
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: But check this out, but check this out. This is

1028
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: and this is my philosophy, and and and me studying

1029
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: the stuff is your philosophy? Well, you know in Spanish,

1030
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: if you look at the nineties right, A big one

1031
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: of the reasons why hip hop was able to get

1032
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: to the level was and dominate the charts, it's because

1033
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: R and B was extremely incorporated into hip hop. There

1034
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of R and B from the from

1035
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: the from the track to having somebody singing with the guys,

1036
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: all of that was incorporated. That's how New York and

1037
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: l A want a lot because they had R and

1038
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: B people to be able and giving it. But now

1039
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 1: the music goes to the South. So the one thing

1040
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: you learned about hip hop that hip hop is why

1041
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: hip hop is supposed to be coming out of the

1042
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: environ from where you are. So hip hop is telling

1043
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: the truth from where you come from. So the people

1044
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: that's out a lot of them when they started out

1045
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: the um the trap music is what is what what

1046
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: they talked about, you know, being in the trap, being

1047
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: in the base of being. And they collaborated because the

1048
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: New Yorker got the South like ship that wasn't the ship.

1049
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: And I mean so what they what the labels did

1050
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: is they kill R and B. So I said, R

1051
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 1: and B was the soul of hip hop at the time.

1052
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: If you kill R and B, what do you have

1053
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: you have what you've got. Now, that's why you're listening

1054
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 1: to the way that they wrapping when they say and

1055
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: everything that they're moving, there's no soul into it. It's

1056
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: just it's just goes. It's wrap right now. Hip hop

1057
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: it's about ego. It's about nothing else. It's about it's

1058
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: about selling. It's about selling. Do we sound like the

1059
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: old Yah is in the room. Well, well, but but

1060
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: you have not got it because right now I'll take it.

1061
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: But but but there's also there's always but to not

1062
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: be the distance that you know what I mean, they're

1063
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: not They're not gonna allow you to. That's why it's

1064
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: always been a variety. The variety was what kind of

1065
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: enabled us to have some balance. It's there's no balance

1066
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: in it. But you see what the radio stations also did,

1067
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: right quit, you're telling hold On as a fellow Cuban brother,

1068
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: you're telling me you left radio, You left a corporate situation.

1069
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: Correct to come out here and sit out here with

1070
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: us talking to ship. Yeah, first of all, I wanna

1071
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: tell you, I salute you because radio has been the

1072
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: main issue for us, right absolutely, you know it took

1073
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: away to scratch, Yeah, it took it it's crazy people

1074
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: because you guys were at that time, when you were

1075
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: there the problems because radio is the grimiest area of

1076
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: if we do business card but you want to hear

1077
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 1: something funny when you're in it, you don't when you

1078
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: win it, you don't look at that. Because when I'm

1079
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 1: in it, you know what I'm looking at. When I'm

1080
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,959
Speaker 1: in the club and I walk in and they're giving

1081
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: me a table and all the chicks want to give

1082
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: me head and when I want to do this and

1083
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean and I make paper, and you know, and

1084
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: it's the egotists involved. I'm not no, I don't, no thanks.

1085
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate it because guess why you are not the

1086
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: most will sit there and kill the culture because they

1087
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: don't care. They don't care, don't they don't really. They

1088
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: act like they can, but they really don't care. And

1089
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: there's even something that's even crazier. It's not a coincidence.

1090
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: There's not one radio station in the United States of

1091
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: America that's programmed twenty four hours for nineties or eighties

1092
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: hip hop, not one except for Rock the Bells Radio

1093
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: on Serious. But I'm talking about that's that's that's not speaks.

1094
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: It speaks to exactly what I'm saying, like you know,

1095
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: like like right now, like those those that are low frequency,

1096
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: those that are you know what those that you know

1097
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: saying that basically you know, like this is my lifeline,

1098
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: This is my lifeline. You know what I'm saying, Like

1099
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: what are they? What are they being fed? You know

1100
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like like if you listen to radio

1101
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: every day, it's damn nick eating McDonald's French frust for

1102
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: every meal. Like you know what I'm saying that you

1103
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: have to make money, but at some point fucking erupt.

1104
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean like like McDonald's French fries. You know right now,

1105
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean you you you don't radio. You know it's

1106
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: sad when you in it. You don't you don't see

1107
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: the evening, you don't see the battlement because you in

1108
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:04,120
Speaker 1: it and it's a good feeling. There's there's the difference

1109
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: between radio and acting as simple as this. If if

1110
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: you ask somebody you're an actor, what you've been in

1111
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: and you say, well, I've been I was in Martin

1112
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean ship that was back in in the nineteen hundreds.

1113
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, what not long ago, but

1114
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: but but if like, but but if I tell somebody

1115
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm on the radio, They're gonna be like, yeah, what's

1116
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 1: time to check together to a clock. It's instanct. You

1117
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: give that instag gratification. So when you get that instat gratification,

1118
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 1: it said, ship, I don't mean it. Listen to me.

1119
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: So now anybody you know. And then I was blessed

1120
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: to be able to I was the first Latino to

1121
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 1: ever do radio and watchington BC IRVI. Ever, that's why

1122
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean big party. And in fact, Joe K Cookers

1123
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: when they saw him and they was say, oh, I

1124
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: can relate to this guy, because you have to. When

1125
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,840
Speaker 1: I used to go to events that I have to

1126
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: host and I'd be like, yeah, I'm here to host,

1127
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 1: They'll be like, no, it's a it's a tory to

1128
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: keep the guys from that's me. They'll be like, nah,

1129
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: he got Curdie here and he looked just like this guy.

1130
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: They never saw somebody my height, my complexion speak Spanish

1131
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: that Joe told me he didn't know you. I disagree

1132
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: with you, big punt, hasn't said sh about you. You

1133
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: don't want to thank you, but you know, And to

1134
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: all my haters out there, I would recipe time you

1135
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: speaking of being at Russell's Peter's house. Um, this is

1136
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: the longest podcast I've ever done in my life. Thank

1137
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: you for having me at the long past. And I

1138
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 1: think we should wrap it up because we're almost tasing

1139
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: our tailor engineers a time. Um, I had enough of

1140
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 1: Courtney and in English saying traffic, he said st trope

1141
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 1: sat tropics. He didn't dream. This Ship has been fun.

1142
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: This has been real informative for me because I'm asking

1143
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: questions because my father's always tell me the smart guy

1144
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: asked all the dumb questions, right, So I'm asking the

1145
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: questions because I want to know ship, and I'm so

1146
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: open and honest on the things that I don't know

1147
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,479
Speaker 1: because people need to know things from the basic level first.

1148
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: But because it's basic, people assume everybody knows it. But

1149
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 1: so we skip over that and go to the subject that.

1150
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: But this is the answer to what we need to do.

1151
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: This is my word, like like like if I may

1152
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: equally fucking needed, is your fucking perspective? Are you fucking

1153
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: kidding me? Like like I'm over here like soaking up

1154
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: every word that comes out of your mouth, like like

1155
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: like palls not me and vice versa. No palls like

1156
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm they're serious, like I'm over here intently, like you know,

1157
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: like because you know, so this is the day, because

1158
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: if I may, like like like um uh, point of point.

1159
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 1: Point of reference is so very important for all of us.

1160
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And you know, I hear

1161
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: in some of the things that in some of your

1162
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: perspectives where you weren't around something that we were around

1163
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: every fucking second that you know what I'm saying. But

1164
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: I also hear where things that you are around that

1165
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: my life never even I was forty years old when

1166
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: I came to understand what the word nuclear family meant.

1167
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: You understand meant what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Word,

1168
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,439
Speaker 1: I was forty years old. You know what I'm saying,

1169
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 1: And yeah, you know what I'm saying. And I think

1170
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: I know you know what I'm saying, like yo, ship

1171
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: is real, you know you know, like but so so

1172
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: our perspectives are so needed to both of us, man,

1173
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 1: and so thank you as well. I want to say

1174
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: something from you. Tell me what you was doing early

1175
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: in the days of television and how he was talking

1176
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: about like, um, your Latino experience if there was any, right,

1177
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 1: and I think it was not much because from the

1178
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: East Coast perspective, we were very intertwined. Like it wasn't

1179
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 1: We were just all broke kids who played and jumped

1180
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: and flipped on mattresses and danced on cardboard, you know

1181
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. So then when you have the power too,

1182
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: you stepped into TV, you stepped into film. Um in

1183
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: a city like l A that has a huge population

1184
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 1: of of several That's why I'd be like, Okay, where's

1185
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: the representation? And I look back, man, where we at?

1186
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, then I speak to you, and

1187
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, you know what he was raised, He

1188
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,560
Speaker 1: wasn't really around that, so it wasn't really his vernacular.

1189
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: So this is like a moment for me where I'm like, oh,

1190
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: a little like okay, it's it's it's eye opening for

1191
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,719
Speaker 1: me because you know, I knew it already, but you're

1192
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: like putting it down. So when you went to Santa

1193
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: Pein you was on that yacht, was there was there

1194
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: one Latino there in the kitchen got the first of all.

1195
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 1: I love Spanish food, right, yeah, she cooks fucking amazing. Yes,

1196
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:24,480
Speaker 1: but you know Bley's favorite Reclienshi. But in all seriousness,

1197
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: that's a That's a major observation that I've made in

1198
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 1: the conversation because when we were talking prior to which

1199
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: is the same thing we were talking here. It lets

1200
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: me understand because I've even looked at Blackish and have

1201
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 1: words with Anthony about representation there. We know Miles Brown,

1202
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: his mother's Mexican, you know what I mean. But I've

1203
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: always wanted to them. There's not one daughter on the show,

1204
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: and she's na his first cousin, right is that? Right?

1205
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 1: Know this? And but I look at that. So in

1206
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 1: the first season there was a Latina who worked with

1207
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,680
Speaker 1: Anthony and then they took out to two episodes in

1208
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: so not your full I'm just talking about it. Damn,

1209
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: I'll be waiting. I'll be with my family. I'll be

1210
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: with my family, like waiting because I know Miles you

1211
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: know a d Conversely, if you watch any of those

1212
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: doctor shows, like the Chicago Hope or the those medical

1213
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: drama shows, and they're like in Chicago or New York

1214
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: and you look in the hospital and there's like maybe

1215
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: one Indian doctor. Have you ever been to a hospital?

1216
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: We are that fucking host, but they don't show us.

1217
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, so it's the same ship. It's absolutely it's

1218
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: about the same um misrepresentation that that's it's a spaltified

1219
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: world that they want us to think. They're like, oh,

1220
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:41,680
Speaker 1: look at how inclusive. We're like, you're not. What you're

1221
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 1: you're doing is including people that aren't part of that equation,

1222
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 1: and you're you're creating a false narrative for people to

1223
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: go look like they would have a situation like this

1224
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: where and I'm not saying that we don't have friends

1225
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: outside of our our group that are gay or trans

1226
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, but they will have a gay, trans and

1227
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: Asian um, you know, like every one of everybody. And

1228
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, that just doesn't happen in real life, right,

1229
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, I know some people and we'll hang out

1230
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: now and then, but it's not gonna be like a

1231
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: group of us like this all sitting chopping it up.

1232
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: We don't have that much in common to try. It

1233
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 1: actually happens at my boys restaurant. Yeah, he's kind of right.

1234
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: The first Thursday of the month. Crazy. Sometimes you watch shows,

1235
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 1: look that this is a weird, but I know, I

1236
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: don't know, they'll they'll throw one person. You're like that,

1237
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: that don't seem real. I just want to sit shows

1238
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: that actually spoke Spanish. Thanks, I did that ship. I

1239
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: did that ship. That's what I'm talking about. Let me

1240
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 1: let me hit you know, because I really it's funny

1241
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: flys not put me in ship yet? It's not yet?

1242
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 1: Is that two? Now? You know why? You know why

1243
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: because you know Russell said to me one day, hey man,

1244
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: I'll do a little I'm not man, I can't put

1245
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: you know a little smart problem is that nobody wants

1246
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: to give me that small role because you don't want

1247
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: to do that bullshit. I honestly like, I'm willing to

1248
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: take a small role russ If you mean talk to Bentley,

1249
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: I mean she ain't put me anohing and I'm trying

1250
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: to well, I was about I'll open up for you.

1251
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean fairness, dress, what you or you should get

1252
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: with that don't show? Why not? I would do anybody's

1253
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 1: sucking show. But I only mentioned it once and then

1254
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 1: I leave it alone. Yeah, I would do it in there. Yeah, like, yeah,

1255
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: you need to be more television, absolutely honestly, easily I

1256
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 1: get because that's how you create the optics. Yeah, I

1257
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 1: get the point. Now you know, you look at it

1258
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: and go, man, Russell's big time. He's a big time.

1259
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: I don't waste his time. I thought like that before.

1260
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: This is my word. I've thought like that before. I

1261
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 1: thought of not bothering people. I've thought of not bothering

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Speaker 1: people because that because of who they are. And I

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Speaker 1: hate that I've done that, like because sometimes people are like, yo,

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Speaker 1: no one's even giving a fuck, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: And I thought to be like, Yo, hey, yo, what up? Yo,

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Speaker 1: I give a funk? What up? Just saying I see

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Speaker 1: you over there? Yo? You know, but that I'm like, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that Russe Peter my show to thank you, Russell,

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Speaker 1: you did my show, I asked, Russell, you say yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right before Pandemic Dress had shot me a text said, Yo,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to break into this acting world. If anything

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Speaker 1: comes up, let me know. And I'm like, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can help you, but I can at least make

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Speaker 1: connections for you, like here's so and so. Maybe it

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Speaker 1: turns into something and then obviously pandemic hap it. But

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Speaker 1: now here we are and you're in a space where

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Speaker 1: that guy really do something. Yeah, you know, I got

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01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 1: you can really wait a minute, hold up, you really

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Speaker 1: created Martin. I didn't listen, like, like, for instance, like

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Speaker 1: what this new MC light show, this Partners and Rhyme show.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I told like that I

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Speaker 1: want to do in the next season. I said, look,

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Speaker 1: we need to make sure that all of the hip

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01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,920
Speaker 1: hop heads make contributions to the show, so they have

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Speaker 1: a husband in the in the show. No here, I

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Speaker 1: am there you go. But this is exactly mean. But

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Speaker 1: but it's like it's like the bum as ex husband.

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Speaker 1: He's Sam. He used to be in love with a

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Speaker 1: guy named saying, I don't know why that yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then I spread the hey, he's supposed to be pelaying

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Speaker 1: d nice that's no, no, no, you know you know who.

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Speaker 1: It really wasn't right, but they were, I don't you

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Speaker 1: know that love? You like, like, yeah, we can cut

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01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 1: that out. Don't trip when you look bad on my show.

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01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 1: Not likes ship, not like it? Yeah right, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to help her get No, don't I want to be

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Speaker 1: her husband. Em let's do that. This is dope, man,

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Speaker 1: this is dope. We're still gonna keep talking. I'm just

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01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna shut the mix off as all I'm saying good

1300
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: because we could really do want anybody. Thank you Lord Finesse,

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Speaker 1: Uh the vice president of the West Wing right Um

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Speaker 1: destroy the vice president actually the president of the Arsonist

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Speaker 1: and show off your jim which I did last year. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and uh Bentley Kyle Levans Senior Senior UM for being

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Speaker 1: here again. And Antonio that's right, Denzel Washington's best friend,

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01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:48,799
Speaker 1: UM and doesn't have a best friend Antonio Vinnie lambertis

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Speaker 1: we don't know that the Cuban cigar smoker for being here.

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01:15:53,160 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: Mellow man Ace for being mellow manless. Select absolutely right

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Speaker 1: every Thursday night, seven pm, No Havana Lamps podcast on

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Speaker 1: Mellow man Ah TV down. Let's not forget Dress from

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Speaker 1: the Black Sheet, legendary cat what's the same fucking no

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Speaker 1: wish okay thirty years later whatever? No, just to say yo,

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01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Um. Definitely, I would love to

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Speaker 1: for people to know I got some stuff that's coming

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Speaker 1: into New year. UM, a new project D and D

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01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: Dilla and Dress big Shot to Ma Duke's and that's

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Speaker 1: coming with a documentary of this project, Me and Dilla. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be amazing. UM as well, check out me

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Speaker 1: and a Guy by the name of Stu Bangers. We

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Speaker 1: did the EP that's coming cold stew sheep sheep stew

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01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: rather plumb sheep sounds good and uh and also uh

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Speaker 1: ep with me and my brother Vitamin D that uh

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Speaker 1: also was gonna have a special horrible name him in D.

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Speaker 1: Vitamin D is, Vitamin D is very necessary. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's so dope. Is produced produce out of Seattle, and

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Speaker 1: you know, yeah, let somebody calm down right now. He's

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Speaker 1: amazing and the world renowned Russell Peters. Oh my god. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: that's this long as episode of culturally canceled. I want

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01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: to thank everybody for being here. Thanks for Courtney for

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01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 1: showing up because she produces this ship and I hit

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01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: her last minute this morning, like yo, let's do a

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Speaker 1: podcast today, and just like okay, my manager PAULI for

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01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: almost eating ship earlier on in the podcast with the

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Speaker 1: hod is crazy but get about peace. Hey, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this conversation. If you like the podcast,

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Speaker 1: please be sure to rate and review it on Apple

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Speaker 1: Podcast so more people can find out about it. And

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Speaker 1: if you didn't like it, go fuck yourself and follow

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Speaker 1: us on Instagram and culturally canceled and culturally RP on Twitter.

1340
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: We're also on YouTube. If you want to see what

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Speaker 1: the backyard kind of looks like. You don't really see

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Speaker 1: the backyard looks like. You just see where my smoking

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01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 1: section looks like, and you can probably sneak a peek

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Speaker 1: in the house. You're a weirdo. Also, we have a

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Speaker 1: phone line now, so call and leave a message. You

1346
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 1: can ask me about whatever you want to ask me

1347
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: about hip hop, parenting, food boxing, mm A, relationships, comedy, sex,

1348
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 1: so I don't give a ship. Ask me whatever you

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01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 1: want and I'll do my best to answer your question.

1350
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 1: If you want to leave a message, the phone number

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Speaker 1: is four two four six six six three. That's four

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Speaker 1: to four six six six Until next week. I'm murder

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Speaker 1: residents