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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, I'm joined by Kyle Perry of Dreamland Wildlife

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Speaker 2: Properties to answer your habitat management questions. Welcome back to

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Speaker 2: the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light

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Speaker 2: and their Camera for Conservation Initiative which supports the National

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Speaker 2: Deer Association, and today we are talking habitat management. We

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Speaker 2: are continuing the habitat series this month and my guest

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Speaker 2: today is Kyle Perrying. Kyle runs a habitat management consulting

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Speaker 2: and contracting company in which he and a Kylie go

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Speaker 2: all over the country helping folks implement their habitat management goals.

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Speaker 2: He does all sorts of on the ground projects. He's

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Speaker 2: not just a guy that gives you ideas. He actually

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Speaker 2: gets out there and does the work. So he brings

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Speaker 2: a lot of firsthand practitioner experience to the table. And

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Speaker 2: I met Kyle first a handful of years ago. I

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Speaker 2: think when he was starting to help out over on

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Speaker 2: the Back forty property, which hopefully most of you know about.

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Speaker 2: Kyle's continued to help with the continued management of the

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Speaker 2: Back forty doing projects out there, and also helped me

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Speaker 2: this past season with a pretty substantial habitat improvement project

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Speaker 2: at my family deer camp. So today Kyle is joining

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Speaker 2: me to first walk through some of those things that

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Speaker 2: we did there up at my camp, Ken Roven talk

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Speaker 2: through what he thought of the property, what we accomplished,

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Speaker 2: what we still could accomplish in the future, some things

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Speaker 2: that think about moving forward, and then the lion's share

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Speaker 2: of our conversation today is spent answering listener questions. I

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Speaker 2: set out a request for questions from you on what

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Speaker 2: kinds of things you're wondering about when it comes to

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Speaker 2: managing and improving habitat for deer hunting and for wildlife

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Speaker 2: and all that kind of good stuff. So we got

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Speaker 2: a lot of great questions to cover. We tackle a

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Speaker 2: number of things around working with small properties. We tackle

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Speaker 2: some questions related to how to get started down that

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Speaker 2: road if you just picked up a property, or if

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Speaker 2: you've just decided that you want to start trying to

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Speaker 2: work the land, you know, how do you prioritize what

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Speaker 2: to do first? How do you start tackling that. We

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Speaker 2: talk through a good amount about natives versus invasive or

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Speaker 2: non native plants, and why you might want to consider

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Speaker 2: focusing on the former rather than the latter. We talk

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Speaker 2: about ways to convert old fields or even yards into

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Speaker 2: wildlife habitat, and a whole lot more So that's the

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Speaker 2: plan for today. Kyle's a good guy. He's an up

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Speaker 2: and comer in this space. I think he's got a

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Speaker 2: bright future ahead of him, and I appreciate the perspective

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Speaker 2: but that, I'll said, let's get to my chat with

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Speaker 2: Kyle Perry. All right with me now on the line,

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Speaker 2: I've got Kyle Perry. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Kyle, thank you, Mark, pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm glad you can make it. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: we're doing this. We've been talking about a podcast together

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Speaker 2: for I don't know, around a year now, so I'm

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Speaker 2: glad it's come together. Every time I talk to you, though,

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Speaker 2: you are usually surrounded by like loud like equipment sounds,

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Speaker 2: the wind in the background blowing through trees. I've never

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Speaker 2: once talked to you in a situation where it's quiet

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Speaker 2: and you're in an office, So this is a rare occurrence. Man,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that you. I didn't know that you

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Speaker 3: I generally don't like to. I really truly enjoy being

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Speaker 3: I truly do enjoy that. The office is not my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, well, I appreciate you you stepping inside the

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Speaker 2: what have you guys been up to this week? If

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Speaker 3: Well, if mother nature would cooperate, we'd be out for

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Speaker 3: schrom altering right now, clearing out some invasive species throughout

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Speaker 2: Nice? Is that kind of stuff? Well, I guess let

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Speaker 2: You are constantly out there doing the work, seeing the results,

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Speaker 2: not just like I go out and plants some food plots,

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Speaker 2: like you are doing a lot of different things.

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Speaker 3: Yes, how long do we have to record the podcast?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, give me this in five minutes or less five.

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Speaker 3: Minutes, so we do. We cover a lot of applications.

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Speaker 3: We do see orp establishment, so native prairies, grasses and forbes.

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Speaker 3: long term. We do facilitate timber harvest. We're kind of

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Speaker 3: work closely with US Fish and Wildlife doing wetland restoration

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Speaker 3: and establishment work and facilitate prescribed burns. We do a

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Speaker 3: so we also cover a lot of ecosystem restoration projects

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Speaker 3: Create a clearing or an opening for creating early successional growth.

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Speaker 3: We run a lot of different applications to just ultimately

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Speaker 2: What of all that is your favorite? If you had

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Speaker 3: My favorite is mulching invasive species. It's a way where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a pretty good setup. Well, I definitely want

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Speaker 2: to talk more about the invasive species thing we've got.

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Speaker 2: We've got some listener questions surrounding that, and as you know,

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Speaker 2: why native like why don't we want invasives out there.

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Speaker 2: So I'm glad you brought that up, and I'm glad

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Speaker 2: that's something you enjoyed dealing with because a lot of

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Speaker 2: just described that you do, and my stuff, which came together.

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Speaker 2: It's coming together in two different ways. One, you've volunteered

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Speaker 2: the National Deer Association. So I want to publicly thank

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Speaker 3: No, we did in the spring I think twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Somewhere in there. The years fly by when you're having

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Speaker 2: Okay, nice, So you did switch you did work on

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Speaker 2: the honey Hole prairie restoration unit there. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 2: pretty pretty awesome spot. And then the food plots, And

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Speaker 2: It's really incredible. There was almost half of the farm

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Speaker 2: was just very thin, weedy, invasive stuff that was provided,

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Speaker 2: kudos to you for helping out there and doing some

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Speaker 2: And I definitely saw that in the second place that

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Speaker 2: camp place we call ken Roven. Last year, you join

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So we were up there and I had some

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Speaker 2: was mostly all timbered. Now there used to be old

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Speaker 2: trying to fall big trees or anything like that, so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we drove in. We started at the beginning

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it it was amazing what you were able

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Speaker 2: You created three or four more of these kind of

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Speaker 2: So it looks great. We came in there after you

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Speaker 2: I've got a film coming out this fall that breaks

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Speaker 2: This year there was four and there were two. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you I'll tell you one thing. Well, no I won't.

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Speaker 2: I suppose. But in short, we saw progress. It was

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Speaker 3: The next thing that we didn't get to really touch

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Speaker 2: If I'm mostly most mostly east west east west.

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Speaker 3: I think we we kind of touched on while we

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of just directly behind the cabin, YEP. So

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Speaker 3: the early successional growth, and that's kind of how we

437
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 3: came to the conclusion that we should tie in that

438
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: trail system food plot running north and or yes, north

439
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: and south, to connect that early succession to the movement

440
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: of your new destination food plot.

441
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

442
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad to hear that that all tied in

443
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 3: real nice.

444
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on its way. So that's exciting. So much

445
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: to do though, so much, there's a lot to do.

446
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: The best part about this is the work never ends.

447
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: You keep coming up with new things, maintaining those trails,

448
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: ensuring that those food plots are staying healthy, doing soil tests.

449
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 3: I generally do those every year, depending on the soil type.

450
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: You know, you could get away with every other year,

451
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 3: but generally up north, I try to do one every

452
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 3: year to kind of monitor that soil health and ensure

453
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: a good, good, strong, healthy food plot.

454
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, with that in mind, and with my wheels

455
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 2: spinning as I'm thinking about what I need to be

456
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: tackling next in the in the coming months, let's get

457
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: to uh, let's get to the important stuff, which is

458
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 2: answering the people's questions. So often I selfishly ask all

459
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 2: the questions on these things, but every once in a

460
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 2: while I remember hashat actually see what the listeners want

461
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: to cover. So I thought that would be probably spend

462
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: the rest of our time. I got a bunch of

463
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: different questions from folks, so I want to get your

464
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 2: perspective on some of this stuff. And then I thought

465
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: I'd throw on my ideas as well. You know, I've

466
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: got obviously not as much experience as you have, but

467
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: I have experience as a land manager myself in several

468
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: different places, and you know, can bring that side of

469
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: things to the table. So so you down for that.

470
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: I'm absolutely down for that answer questions.

471
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the first question is from a new landowner.

472
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: He describes himself as a new overwhelmed landowner, and he

473
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 2: just wants to know what our advice is for developing

474
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: a priority list and figuring out where to start on

475
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: a new property that you want to improve for wildlife

476
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: and for hunting. What would be a couple of things

477
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: you would recommend for someone who's just trying to start

478
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: to prioritize, like how to get this thing started.

479
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: So the first thing I would I generally prioritize is

480
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 3: if he bought that property this year, I would I

481
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 3: would at least hunt it for one year, kind of

482
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: kind of do a lot of analysis, write down what

483
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: you're seeing, where you're sitting, different wins that you hunted

484
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: with in different areas. Just overall learn that property, spend

485
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 3: time there in the off season, during the season, and

486
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: just become a student of the property. Learn that that

487
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: piece and analyze. I can't say that enough. Analyze and analyze, analyze,

488
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 3: and then from there, you know, after that first year

489
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 3: or maybe two years, depending on how much time you

490
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: got to spend there, break down you know, all that

491
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: knowledge that you collected, and create a game plan. My

492
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 3: first thing I always look for is how do you

493
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 3: access the property? Access is key to keep pressure off

494
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 3: the wildlife.

495
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's a great point. Another thing

496
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: I'd be thinking about too, And I like your point

497
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: about learning right, Like you don't need to rush into this.

498
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 2: Let's just focus on like figuring out what's the what's

499
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: our baseline, what are we starting with here? A really

500
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 2: important part of that is to not just look at

501
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: what's on your property, but also look what's in the neighborhood,

502
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: so kind of zoom out and you know, literally you

503
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 2: can zoom out by looking at an aerial map and

504
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: zoom out, or you know, just drive around the neighborhood,

505
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: or when you're hunting your place or when you're out

506
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: exploring your place, you know, look at what's on the

507
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: neighbors What are they doing over there? What do they have?

508
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: Look on your map, see what kind of habitat is

509
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: over there? Drive around the back roads, watch, you know,

510
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: as you drive by and see, okay, what kind of

511
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: habitats here? Is there? Lots and lots of food? Is

512
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 2: there lots and lots of cover? Is there water around anywhere?

513
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Is there you know, anything that's that's operating as a

514
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: sanctuary or is everything getting hunted by all my neighbors

515
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: try to figure out, like what's the what's the whole, like,

516
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: what's the what's the missing link, what's the rare thing

517
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: around here. Yes, oftentimes, if you can figure out what

518
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: is rare, what's missing, what's the thing that deer want

519
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: that's not readily available in the area, if you focus

520
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: there first, if you provide the thing that's missing everywhere else,

521
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: you can start to have a disproportionately positive impact on

522
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: your whole region. So, you know, example of that would

523
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: be if you are in an area that's got tons

524
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: and tons of agriculture. It's just like let's say it's

525
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: like northern Ohio or something like that, where there's just

526
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: lots of open farmland and you have let's say forty

527
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: acres and you're thinking, well, you know, I want food

528
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: plots and I want food and stuff, and so if

529
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: you go that route, well you're kind of adding more

530
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: of the same. But if you sit and you look

531
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: at you see like all your neighbors are wide open

532
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: farm fields, and you instead decide to add cover to

533
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: your property, all of a sudden you become the only

534
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: cover in town and that has a huge impact.

535
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 3: Then.

536
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: So that's that's one thing to think about. That's not

537
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: all is the thing that you want to do first,

538
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: but I think it's an important thing to think about,

539
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: and that can help you set priorities. Those those kind

540
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: of lowest holes in the bucket where the water's leaking on.

541
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: If you think of like that metaphor, you got to

542
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: plug that hole first before you can fill it up

543
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: the rest of the way, And that's a that's a

544
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: thing to be considering early on. I think another thing

545
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: to your point of analysis, run trail cameras a lot

546
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 2: to get a sense of what deer doing and how

547
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: they're doing it. Do your soil tests like you talked about,

548
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: even go out there with like your like the seek

549
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: app or different things like that, and start identifying, like

550
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: what are the plants here, What native species do I have?

551
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 2: What invasive species do I have? Just start building that

552
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: baseline understanding of what's here, and then you know that

553
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: leads to the ability to the next year. Start saying, Okay,

554
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: here's what I have, here's what I don't have, here's

555
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: what's missing. These are my goals, and then you can

556
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: have like an educated plan versus just willy nilly throwing

557
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: darts at a wall.

558
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, a lot of guys you can you know,

559
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: I've noticed they'll they'll want to everyone's excited. You buy

560
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: that piece of property. You want to get out there.

561
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: You want to start doing habitat work, and that is

562
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: a big mistake in my opinion. You want to stay,

563
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 3: you want to analyze learn that property. To talk on

564
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 3: your point a little further is meet the neighbors. Maybe

565
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: as you're driving around, meet those neighbors kind of see,

566
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: you know, are they warm welcoming to talking and seeing

567
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: how you guys could collaborate and maybe create connecting habitat

568
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: between both parcels and work together. I think that's another

569
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 3: key approach, is meeting the neighbors and trying to get

570
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: on the same page. Because we always know that we

571
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: buy forty acres and then the next forty acres comes

572
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: up for sale, you want to buy that. So you're

573
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: always trying to expand and go bigger, while capital could

574
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: be a you know issue. So if you meet the neighbors,

575
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: you can extend your property in a sense because you're

576
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: working together and you're both creating better habits.

577
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 2: Have Yeah, good point. There's another question from somebody else

578
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: that's very closely related to this. They just asked about

579
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 2: what some realistic first year goals could be. But if

580
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: we're if we're if we're saying, like, hey, the first year,

581
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: you might not want to do any real big projects.

582
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: You just want to learn. So let's let's fast forward

583
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: to now our first year of like actively doing stuff.

584
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 2: We've had time to assess the situation, We've had time

585
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: to learn the property, meet our neighbors, do some of

586
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: this baseline setting. Now it's like time to get your

587
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 2: hands dirty. You've got your first year ahead of you

588
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: of doing work. Like you said, we all want to

589
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: like change the world in a day. What would be

590
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: a realistic goal or two or set of goals for

591
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: that first year of work? What kind of things or

592
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: what level of work do you think is reasonable to

593
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: expect and year one of that.

594
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 3: Depending on the composition of the property, say you have

595
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: a say, are nice mature hardwoods area. I generally like

596
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 3: to start with logging that puts money in the in

597
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 3: the landowner's pocket, and that that can also set forward

598
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: the improvement of the land, So creating some more of

599
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: that early succession, encouraging additional browse before you do a

600
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: timber harvest, though you want to make sure you're analyzing

601
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: invasive species. So if I was to say, start with

602
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 3: number one, analyze invasive species, use different plant apps to

603
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: id invasive species, because you could go on there and

604
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 3: log that woods and next thing, you know, you got

605
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: a fourth floor of honeysuckle, which is a whole nother

606
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: battle that most of us don't want to get into.

607
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: Unless you have heavy equipment, it can be a job.

608
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: And so I would say, manage invasive species, learn and

609
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: identify those, and then I generally really truly like to

610
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: start with a timber harvest, get some of that mature

611
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: timber down, create some early successional growth, and increase that

612
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 3: brows and side cover for all wildlife and generally that

613
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 3: starts everything under goodfoot.

614
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, this perfectly ties into another question, and it's a

615
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: large topic. But someone asked, you know, just for our

616
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: thoughts on managing for native habitat and why that's important versus,

617
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: you know, just letting what's out there do its thing,

618
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 2: letting the invasives go. Can you give me your you know,

619
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: what's your pitch to somebody on why trying to promote

620
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 2: native vegetation versus invasives is worthwhile. Why is that important

621
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: in your view?

622
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: Well, natives certainly are more desirable for the wildlife, all wildlife,

623
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 3: not just dear. You know, we have turkeys that use

624
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: the insects that feed off those native plants, the butterflies

625
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 3: that use those flowers that pollinate certain tree species that

626
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 3: we we end time planting your apples and pairs your bees.

627
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: Everything is really, in a sense, in the ecosystem working together.

628
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 3: So the more you can encourage your microlease ecosystem call

629
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 3: it on your parcel of property, the more you can

630
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 3: manage that in a native way. Everything generally works together,

631
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: and it's much more desirable for the wildlife. Invasive species

632
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: are invasive, Brewer reason. They can overtake the native habitat

633
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 3: and completely change the landscape quicker than man can with

634
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 3: mechanical tools or by hand. So making sure that you

635
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 3: know you're identifying those native species and taking care of

636
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: them is very important. And also you know, going into

637
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: the local NRCS office and utilizing the resources there that

638
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 3: at all of our fingertips learning those species, seeing what

639
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 3: programs are available to encourage native habitat and also manage

640
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 3: the invasive species.

641
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, are there government programs that will help help fund

642
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: dealing with invasives, or can get you assistance to come

643
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: out there and help remove some of that stuff or

644
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: manage that. Is that anything that you've looked into that's available.

645
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: Yes, and it does vary across county. But I would

646
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: recommend any land on or go into their local NRCS

647
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: office FSA office and talk with the staff there and

648
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: see what programs are available for their area and different

649
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: and property. Because, for instance, our Hillsdale Farm has a

650
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: lot of desire for the copper belly water snake, which

651
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: is an endangered snake here in southern Michigan. So we've

652
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 3: utilized some of the money available to encourage better habitat

653
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 3: for the copper belly water snake. We've added wetlands on

654
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: our property. Very cool, so that so funding comes from

655
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: some of that invasives from some of those endangered species

656
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: as well to remote good habitat.

657
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. I read a book recently called Nature's

658
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: Best Hope by Doug Tellomy I think his last name,

659
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: and it was one of the best things I've read

660
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: to help me just understand the importance of the native

661
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: vegetation and how much more beneficial that is than the invasives.

662
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 2: And you know what he really emphasized, and what makes

663
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: a lot of sense, is that the health of an

664
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: ecosystem and the productivity of an ecosystem, so like how

665
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 2: much wildlife your back forwardy can produce, it's all dependent

666
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: on the interactions between all the different species. And so

667
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: you've got plants that deer depend on, right, So if

668
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: you want a lot of deer, and if you want

669
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: big deer or whatever it is, or if you want

670
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 2: a lot of grouse, or if you want turkeys, you

671
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: need the right vegetation and you also need the right

672
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: insects because insects are providing food for many of those

673
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: bug species that are pollinating the plants, propagating them, continuing

674
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: them to grow. And so if you want the turkey,

675
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 2: if you want the grouse, you need all that kind

676
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: of stuff too. And so what he emphasized that you

677
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: need to look at each different layer of the food

678
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: chain of the network. And there are many specialist relationships

679
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: within an ecosystem between insects and plants or pollinators and plants.

680
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: And what you have when you have invasives come in

681
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 2: is you have invasive plants that take over an ecosystem

682
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: that insects do not have a relationship with, and so

683
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: you'll have a whole bunch of plant life that a

684
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: whole bunch of the native insects can't feed on, or

685
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: can't pollinate, or can't interact with, and so you lose

686
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 2: a lot of those insects that are important praise dicas

687
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: for all sorts of birds, they're important prey for turkeys,

688
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: they're important prey for all sorts of stuff. And then

689
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 2: that causes this trickle down effect. So if you want

690
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: to have a lot of caterpillars and a lot of

691
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: insects and all the stuff that all your birds want

692
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: to eat and that you know are then going to

693
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: continue pollinating the right things in your area, you need

694
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 2: to have the native stuff that these species have evolved

695
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: alongside of. And so that's why you know, when you

696
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: get a whole bunch of honeysuckle, or you get a

697
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: whole bunch of autom olive or whatever it is, and

698
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: you think like, oh, that looks a good deer cover,

699
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 2: Well it might be in the short term, but that

700
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: is negatively impacting everything else that in the long run

701
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: negatively impacts your deer herd and all the other birds

702
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: and species out there. So yeah, I think it's important

703
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 2: to try to emphasize the native vegetation as much as

704
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: possible to not introduce something that's invasive and non native.

705
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: Great point on connecting with the NRCS on government programs.

706
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 2: There's a question from someone asking how to find information

707
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: about the best native plants for your area. Curious what

708
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: your answer to that would be if you have any

709
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: other ideas. But there is one resource I found called

710
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 2: the Native Plant Finder. It's a program by the National

711
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: Wildlife Federation and it's the link is Nativeplantfinder dot NWF

712
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: dot org. You go to that website, you punch in

713
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 2: your zip code for wherever your property is, and it

714
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: will show you the top flowers, the top grasses, the

715
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: top trees and shrubs, as far as native plants for

716
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: your area that support insect life and all the other

717
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 2: stuff that depends on it. So if you do that,

718
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: you're getting all the other benefits. So like something like

719
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 2: like oaks are a top native in my area? Of

720
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: course many places, yes, And they're great as we all

721
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: know because they produce mass. But they also are one

722
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 2: of the most important trees for producing and housing insects.

723
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: They're one of the very most important places for or

724
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: caterpillar production, which caterpillars feed the line's share of birds

725
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: at certain times of the year, So super important for

726
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: all sorts of reasons. So oaks are a big one

727
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: by me. Golden rods really good, sunflower is really good, loupine, violet, geranium, willows,

728
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 2: beach plums, cherries, birch, aspen, maple, box elder, all sorts

729
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: of stuff. You can go to that website, plug in

730
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: your zip code, get some recommendations there. You mentioned the

731
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: NRCS office in your neck of the woods. Is there

732
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: any other resource you'd recommend for folks to go to

733
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: to start getting some of this information.

734
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 3: I haven't found any any valid other resources other than

735
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: the NRCS FSA office. You know you could you could

736
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 3: generally reach out and try to find different groups you

737
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 3: know that are focused on native ecosystem restoration projects in

738
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 3: your area. Be a great learning resource. But I would

739
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 3: say that the best recommendation from myself would be your

740
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 3: nr CS. Their local They're very educated on the native

741
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: plant species and that specific east of ecosystem within that county,

742
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: and I think getting this close down to the area

743
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: that you're in with your native plant communities is very

744
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: key because you know, you could say Michigan natives and

745
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 3: that's a large area versus zeroing it down right into

746
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 3: your local county area is the best for ecosystem management.

747
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. One more on this line of thinking. Somebody asked,

748
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 2: in what situation would you consider honeysuckle good or bad

749
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 2: for deer? Is there any situation in which you would

750
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: say is good?

751
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: This is a tough question. Yeah, I would say honeysuckle

752
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 3: is good for deer when it's anywhere from eight inches

753
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: to two feet tall, where they can browse that and

754
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 3: eat that new growth, because it does leaf out before

755
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 3: any other plant or shrub and as well as it

756
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: loses its leaves last, so it's it's great from that point.

757
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: It's nutritional. It does provide some automolive does provide nitrogen

758
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: into the soil, so it is a nitrogen fixator. But

759
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: there's not too many pros of it. If you can,

760
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: if you could mulch that down and manage it in

761
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: a way that it doesn't get over three to four

762
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: foot tall where it starts getting above the deer where

763
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: they can they can reach to browse I would say

764
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: anywhere lower than that is beneficial. As soon as it

765
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: gets to that eight to ten foot range, plants underneath

766
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 3: start to die off and the diversity has then lost.

767
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And is that the big knock? Like, the big

768
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: reason honeysuckle is such an issue is because it's so

769
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: it can so quickly take over an area that it

770
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: can just, you know, just completely push out all of

771
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: the native stuff that's really good for all sorts of

772
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: things for long periods of time, and then it then

773
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: matures the way you're talking about and then eliminates all value.

774
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 2: Is that the big issue?

775
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: Yes? Well, and you were mentioning the importance of birds,

776
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: and birds love honeysuckle berries. So as soon as that

777
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: bird eats that berry, it goes and sits on that

778
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: limb of the oak tree and decimates down and there's

779
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 3: an opening opening in the canopy for sunlight to hit

780
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: that that honeysuckle is sprouting. And then as soon as

781
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: that takes off and starts to grow and gets mature,

782
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 3: everything underneath the diversity is completely lost. So it is

783
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: very important from a management perspective to make sure that

784
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: you are either eradicating it or managing it in a

785
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 3: way that it's still beneficial for the wildlife.

786
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of birds, got a question here about turkeys.

787
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: You've probably been seeing the same reports I have over

788
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: recent years about declining turkey numbers in certain parts of

789
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: the country. There seems to be this rising concern about

790
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: what for a long time was a was a smashing

791
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: success of a wildlife restoration story when it comes to

792
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: bringing turkeys back, and all of a sudden like people

793
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: are like, Eh, we're worried again about it. So someone

794
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: here asked, you know, what can we do that helps

795
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: deer but also greatly benefits declining turkey populations? Is that

796
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: something you've got any ideas around? Are there any specific

797
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: projects or types of work that you think would be

798
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 2: particularly useful to help turkeys too?

799
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 3: Yes? Absolutely, using those chainsaws, getting out there doing tim

800
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 3: or stand improvement. Also, logging logging is a great way

801
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: to create some of that side cover for those birds

802
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: to get up under those tops. Post logging and nests.

803
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: So having that side cover and brushy ecosystem is key

804
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: for turkeys as well as other wildlife deer. In particular,

805
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 3: having that early successional growth is very valuable for turkeys

806
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: inside cover to reduce the amount of predation on those

807
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: young poles.

808
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I looked into this last year for a

809
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: writing project and was trying to understand, you know, where,

810
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 2: where are the real challenges for turkeys, what's the issue

811
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 2: and most everything, The biggest culprit was a reduction in

812
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: nesting and brooding habitat. Just like you mentioned, we really

813
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: need to have that quality nesting and brooding habitat, which

814
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: is like early successional growth three feet or lower grasses,

815
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: shrubs forbes. You need that kind of safe area and

816
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: then also productive you know, insect population, insect growth. And

817
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: then finally, an important thing that I read a couple

818
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: of places was that when it comes to turkeys, having

819
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: multiple regions like this is beneficial versus having just like

820
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 2: one pocket. So if you've got forty acres, it would

821
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: be better to have at least according to these sources

822
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: that I read, it would be better to have multiple

823
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: pockets of this kind of habitat, like four or five

824
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: half acre zones like this or an acre zone like

825
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 2: this versus just one because you would have predators zeroing

826
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: in on just that one location all the time and

827
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: being able to sweep it clean and pick up those

828
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: polts versus having that spread out across your property. So

829
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: multiple areas of early successional habitat that give you that

830
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 2: brooding and nesting habitat seems to be a good thing

831
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 2: for turkeys.

832
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 3: Diversity, diversity, diversity, Yeah, that is spreading out those areas

833
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 3: of early succession. Like you said, that's some of the concerns.

834
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 3: You see, Guys will go out and they'll they'll clear

835
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: cut a whole area, you know, of their property, and

836
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: that's the only thing that that wildlife use it is

837
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: that one particular area. So you got to have certain

838
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: pockets of different management techniques to help ensure the health

839
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 3: of wildlife. Have an areas where it's not too dense

840
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: on the forest floor that they can feed on those

841
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: acorns versus not find those, you know, and those are

842
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 3: definitely key points.

843
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a unique one. This guy says, I just

844
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: bought a home on fourteen acres. There's about eight acres

845
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: of woods and six acres of yard with a pond.

846
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: I'd like to add a food plot or some kind

847
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: of wildlife holding habitat to my grass acreage. What would

848
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: our suggestions be for turning some portion of that six

849
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: acre yard into better wildlife habitat. What would you do

850
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 2: with a big yard, Kyle.

851
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: Well, I don't like to spend time on the lawnmower,

852
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: so I would most likely kill off that grass that's

853
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 3: currently exists and plant either some grasses and forbes to

854
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 3: create some of that again early successional habitat, some trees shrubs,

855
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: creating that cover as well as forage at different times

856
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 3: of the year, and really analyzing because that eight acres

857
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: of woods is key. Depending on his location, you know,

858
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: if he has surrounding habitat, it might not be as key,

859
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 3: but if he has fields surrounding him, staying out of

860
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: that woods and really making it desirable for wildlife is

861
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: key to hold those on your property. If you can

862
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: go in there and leave that area alone, cut some

863
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: of those you know, non desirable trees out of there

864
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: or shrubs, add more brows to the forest floor, and

865
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 3: then keeping that area low pressure, and then adding in

866
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 3: the diversity throughout the yard. That probably that would be

867
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: my approach to that property without knowing the surrounding area.

868
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 2: What does that look like like like walking me through

869
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 2: the actual process of killing the yard and planting this

870
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: blend of grass as forbes whatever other stuff you would do,

871
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: like how does the guy do that?

872
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: Well? Step one would be killing the grass. You know,

873
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 3: if you're opposed to the chemical use, you could till

874
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 3: multiple times and then call a pack and then I

875
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: highly recommend no till drilling in the natives. That gets

876
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 3: your best seed to soil contact. You could broadcast, but

877
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 3: it's very difficult when you had a mix of forbes

878
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 3: into that native plant community. So the forbes are more

879
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: of a fluffy seed, so it's very hard to get

880
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 3: those to run through like for instance, an earthwayte spreader.

881
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: So that's why I always recommend, you know, no till drilling.

882
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: If you can back to those NRCS offices, they generally

883
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 3: have a trill there that you can rent if you

884
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 3: have a tractor or other equipment to pull that. So

885
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 3: either spraying that grass and killing it or tilling it

886
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 3: multiple times to break up that root system, and then

887
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: no till drilling in the native grasses and forbes. If

888
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 3: you were to just plant safe for instance, switch grass.

889
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: A lot of guys like switch grass recover in smaller

890
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: areas as it grows tall and it stands real well

891
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 3: when when it comes to the heavy west snow here

892
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 3: in the Middlewest, so that you could call pack once

893
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: and then broadcast the seed and then call pack again.

894
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: That way, you're ensuring that that switch grass seed isn't

895
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 3: getting too deep in the soil.

896
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like the idea, And that would definitely

897
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: be along the lines of what I'd be thinking of

898
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: doing too, I think I would. You know, so we've

899
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: got he has a six acre yard, and so we'll say,

900
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: like the front acres around his house, so we'll let

901
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: him keep that. So I've got five acres to work with,

902
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 2: and he wants to make this you know, I'm assuming

903
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: he wants to be able to hunt this place too, right,

904
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 2: And so I would I would say. The only other

905
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: thing I might suggest is he like, yeah, do you

906
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 2: can have a food plot and they have your acre

907
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: food plot or whatever half acre food plot, but you know,

908
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: strategically place that in a location where you can access

909
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: it without spooking deer and then also you know, be

910
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: able to get out of it. You know, if you

911
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: want to hunt the edge of that food plot for

912
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: an evening hunt, make sure that you're setting it up

913
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 2: in such a way that you can exit heading back

914
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: towards the house. Without having spooked deer and or be

915
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: able to hunt your timber without spooking deer feeding on

916
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: the food plot. So thinking about your access when you

917
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: place that food plot, and then the rest of it

918
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: would be what you just described. I would plant that

919
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: prairie native grass, forbes flowers, whatever, get that you know

920
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: that's going to get us the early successional habitat that

921
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: deer want, the turkeys want, that all the birds and

922
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: critters want. And then using something like you mentioned switch

923
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: grass or you know, to help me get by a

924
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 2: year one, maybe I would do something like a like

925
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: a sore gum or something to create a screen. Because

926
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: the one thing I would be worried about in a

927
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 2: yard situation is like, how do I make sure that

928
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 2: deer feels safe coming out and feeding or hanging out

929
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: here in the daylight without being spooked by whatever I'm

930
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: doing or my kids are doing behind the house or whatever.

931
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 2: So I would try to create some kind of screen

932
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 2: to block off the house or neighbors from you know,

933
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: these wildlife attracting spots. So the long term solution would

934
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 2: be like a switch grass screen or some kind of

935
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: native grass screen if you can find one that will

936
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: be tall and hold up well, or plant conifers if

937
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: you can find something like that. I know there are

938
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: some willow species that can grow very quickly and create

939
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: a visual screen. That could be something to think about.

940
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 2: But I would I'd be thinking about how can I screen.

941
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: So what I imagine is is somehow screening the food

942
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: plot or screening the main area that I want to

943
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: be able to hunt from the from the house. And

944
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 2: then inside of that screen is where I want my

945
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: prairie and my native grasses and all that stuff. And

946
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: then you can have your food plot tucked in there

947
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 2: that gives you your little attraction point. And then you've

948
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: got your timber behind that that could be your main

949
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: betting area or whatever. And so you've got these layers

950
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: of habitat. You've got this diversity of habitat. But most important,

951
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: I think is like providing a sense of security for them.

952
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 3: Ye, very good point.

953
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: Severity, I think that helps, Yes, Yeah.

954
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: And back to the food plots. I when I'm designing

955
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: a property layout, I always try to keep in mind

956
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: that I'm improving the habitat to the point where those

957
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: food plots are simply supplemental food sources. The deer and

958
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 3: wildlife are only using those when they absolutely need it,

959
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 3: and they you know, they also can depend on those

960
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: for different times of the year when things get tough,

961
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 3: whether it's super cold, the snow gets deep, or it

962
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: could be dry at different points of the year.

963
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So Kyle, I've got another follow up

964
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: question that's that's similar to that someone had asked about

965
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: the best method for restoring or reforesting and old hayfield

966
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: or pasture. You know, basically how to add cover to

967
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: an old field. Would you have basically the same answer

968
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: as to what we just said somebody should do with

969
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 2: yard or is there something different we could do in

970
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 2: this old field type situation?

971
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would, I would take a little different approach.

972
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 3: The local NRCS office could could potentially cover some of

973
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: the costs of the re establishment of that old pasture.

974
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 3: If there's invasive species out there, they could, you know,

975
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: help give you some money to subsidize the cost of

976
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: remediation work, whether it's removing those invasive species or establishing

977
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 3: that prairie. They generally will help subsidize the cost of

978
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: the establishment re establishment of prairie in those areas that

979
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 3: have been used for agriculture. Previously.

980
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 2: Okay, do you think that there's any value two. You know,

981
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: in the last question we talked about, you know, planting

982
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: native grass as forbes, all that kind of stuff to

983
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: try to transform the yard into something useful. One thing

984
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: I thought with like an old field situation is that

985
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: you might not want to rush into planting something because

986
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,479
Speaker 2: there might still be native seeds in the seed bank.

987
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: If you were to just you know, disturb the pasture

988
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: by disking it or spraying it or burning it, and

989
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 2: then just seeing what's in the seed bank, see what

990
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: naturally comes up, and you might actually get some good

991
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: native growth that you want that would achieve this stuff

992
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: for you. And then maybe then all you have to

993
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: do is spot treat a few invasives here and there,

994
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: plants some trees wherever you want it. But that might

995
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 2: be a cheaper way to kind of use what nature's

996
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: already given you. I recognized in some cases you might

997
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: do that and then it's all nasty, non native stuff

998
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: that you don't want, So it's a hit or miss.

999
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 2: But is that a reasonable possibility to do in this situation.

1000
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah, that's a great way of kind of reclaiming

1001
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 3: that old pasture. One thing I would recommend in conjunction

1002
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: with that is getting on Google Earth and going back

1003
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,879
Speaker 3: to the earliest aerial imagery of that area and kind

1004
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: of playing that tape forward to see if you can

1005
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 3: recognize any remnants of native prairie throughout the time. Depending

1006
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 3: on some of the maps, you can go as far

1007
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: back as the nineteen fifties and replay that all the

1008
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 3: way to the current day. So that would give you

1009
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 3: a good idea whether there's potential for existing native prairie

1010
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: in that old pasture area.

1011
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: That's a cool idea. Okay, here's a question that I

1012
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: can relate to you. I have this situation up at

1013
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: our Northern Michigan deer camp. Actually, the question is I

1014
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 2: can hold doze on our property year round, but Bucks

1015
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: only seem to come around during the pre run. What

1016
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 2: can I do to get Bucks to spend time on

1017
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: my property all year round versus just for that little window.

1018
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,959
Speaker 3: What do you think of That's a tough one. It's

1019
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: one that could, you know, be answered in a few

1020
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 3: different ways. It could be one too many dos. That

1021
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: dose could be congregated the desirable areas of habitat on

1022
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 3: the property. Dose generally like that healthier ecosystem. They need

1023
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 3: that nutrition for feeding the young and taking care of

1024
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: the new fawns for the spring. So they need a

1025
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 3: lot of nutrition that does generally gravitate towards better habitat

1026
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 3: from what I've analyzed. And also, you know, it could

1027
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 3: be a back to too many doughs. If you have

1028
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: too many dos, it will push out those bucks and

1029
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 3: cause them to go stay stay on different properties throughout

1030
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: the times of the year. Obviously during the rut you're

1031
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: going to have those bucks in their chase and after

1032
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: those dos because they're commingling at that point. So that

1033
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: would say, you know, I answer that in two different ways,

1034
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: either too many dos or that the ecosystem has improved

1035
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: in small areas, and that means you could probably go

1036
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: through the rest of the property and improve that to

1037
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: help spread out that populations of dos and create less

1038
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 3: density in different areas.

1039
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought about it in two ways, and

1040
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: kind of similar to you. I think that one of

1041
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: the things that absolutely could be would be the too

1042
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: many dos in that like bucks, especially mature bucks, are

1043
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: like grumpy old men. They want space, they want to

1044
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: be left alone, they want to feel safe and comfortable

1045
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: in their old routine, and they need to have safe,

1046
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: secure betting areas where they can get those things achieved. So,

1047
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: if you've got a place that's just overran with does

1048
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: and every nook and cranny and there's not a lot

1049
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: of good security cover and betting opportunities, you know, a

1050
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 2: mature buck just might not like to spend very much

1051
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: time there and so and so that's one thing. So

1052
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 2: I guess there's two three ways you could do this.

1053
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: One reduce the deer density. If you're in a place

1054
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: like that where it's just like tons and tons of deer.

1055
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: You know, Jeff Sturg just likes to call us a

1056
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 2: dough factory, So if you are just pumping out doughs

1057
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: all year round, maybe you need to reduce the dough

1058
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 2: density some so that you open up more of these

1059
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: areas for bucks to live the life they want to live. Secondly,

1060
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: you could increase your bedding cover. Maybe it's just the

1061
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 2: fact that you don't have a lot of good security

1062
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: betting cover, and if you were to increase that, then

1063
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: maybe you can create these spaces where a buck will

1064
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: feel safe, will feel comfortable, We'll have the separation from

1065
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: the rest of the herd, that he wants, so that

1066
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 2: could help. And then finally, you know, the second abtraction

1067
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 2: of a of a habitat or of a property is

1068
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: is there the food that bucks are going to want?

1069
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: And so if you have a property that just you know,

1070
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: and I guess if you've got does, then you have

1071
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 2: your basic criteria mat from a deer attraction standpoint, because

1072
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: there are does hanging out their feeding. But what I'm

1073
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 2: thinking here is like, for example, up in a kenra

1074
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 2: or deer camp, prior to doing the work we had

1075
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: and even now still to a degree, we have some food,

1076
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: We have lots of cover, although it's not like perfect cover,

1077
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: but we have lots of cover, a little bit of food,

1078
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: and it's been enough that we can get dos to

1079
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: hang out there consistently. But the bucks are not there

1080
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 2: consistently yet, and I think that's because there's just not

1081
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: enough to go around. And so the only time they

1082
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: really are willing to come onto this still subpower property

1083
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: that's like just not quite right yet is they're willing

1084
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 2: to do that during the rut because there are females

1085
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: there and so that's a starting point. But until like

1086
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,919
Speaker 2: there's lots of food and lots of cover. I don't

1087
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 2: necessarily see them taking up shop there year round. So

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01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 2: I kind of think about this as like, oh, I

1089
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 2: don't know, like a a bad analogy, but like a

1090
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: really creuddy bar. If there's a really credit bar and

1091
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm a college student, I might be willing to go

1092
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: to the really credit bar at three in the morning

1093
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 2: when i'm you know, trolling and trying to meet a gale.

1094
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: But like, I'm not going to go to the really

1095
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: credit bar at eight o'clock or nine o'clock and spend

1096
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: four hours they're just hanging out with my buddies because

1097
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 2: it's not that much fun. There's not that much good

1098
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 2: stuff there. I'm only going to go there when I'm

1099
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: desperate at the end of the night and I've had

1100
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: a couple of beers, right So that's kind of what

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01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 2: I'm imagining my you know, our property might be for

1102
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: deer right now when they're desperate once it's the rut

1103
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 2: and they're just looking for anything anywhere, they're willing to

1104
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 2: come over there and hang out. I need to transform

1105
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: my property into like the really nice place where they

1106
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 2: where people want to start the day and end the day.

1107
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,959
Speaker 2: I'm not quite there it's it's a work in progress still,

1108
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 2: and I'm imagining that could be a scenario which you

1109
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 2: could which you could see this kind of thing happening.

1110
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a great analogy. I was actually

1111
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 3: thinking as you were talking. I kind of use this

1112
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 3: reference many times during consultations. Is you want to treat

1113
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 3: your property kind of like a hotel. You have a

1114
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 3: pool where everyone will congregate, all the families will come

1115
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 3: down there, they'll swim for the afternoon. You know, seven

1116
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: eight o'clock rolls around. You have that mom and dad

1117
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 3: and two kids that go back to their hotel room

1118
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 3: generally is on the first or second floor, depending on

1119
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 3: the hotel type. And then you get those private suites

1120
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 3: where it might be a mom and dad's night out

1121
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 3: and you know you're just alone and you want that

1122
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 3: higher quality sleep, not not as much noise here on

1123
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 3: the top floor. That kind of goes to that mature buckbed.

1124
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 3: He wants that area where not getting disturbed, you know,

1125
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 3: he can be to himself. And then those dose are

1126
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 3: where the families are at. They're in the more congested

1127
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 3: areas where the food. They're closer to the food, they're

1128
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 3: closer to the pool. You know, they're kind of closer

1129
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 3: to everything because they're nursing those young, they're keeping them protected,

1130
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 3: and they want to be close that way. They're spending

1131
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 3: a lot of energy getting to and from food sources

1132
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 3: and taking care of the young. As we all know,

1133
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 3: taking care of kids requires more energy, so that means

1134
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 3: they need to be closer to the food and good

1135
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 3: cover to reduce the predation on those young fawns.

1136
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I feel like we're knocking the metaphors out

1137
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 2: of the park right here, so I think it's a

1138
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 2: good place to wrap it up as we've hit our

1139
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 2: sweet spot of literary metaphors and whatnot. So with that said, Kyle,

1140
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: good stuff. We tackled some good questions here. I appreciate

1141
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: you helping out with this. Thanks for taking the time today.

1142
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 2: Thank you for the help up at our place up north.

1143
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 2: We're excited about the progress for seeing there and oh

1144
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,439
Speaker 2: a lot of that to you, so thank you. Hey guys,

1145
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 2: Mark here, just a quick heads.

1146
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 4: Up, we had a little technical difficulty at the end

1147
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,840
Speaker 4: of this interview that ended up leading to the end

1148
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 4: of our conversation being cut off. So apologies for the

1149
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 4: abrupt ending, and I also want to let you know

1150
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 4: that if you want to learn more about Kyle or

1151
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 4: contact him about consulting or actual contract work out on

1152
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 4: your property, you can learn more or get a hold

1153
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 4: of him at dreamland wildlife dot com.

1154
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 2: All right, and that's gonna do it today. Thanks for

1155
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 2: joining us, Thank you for tuning in. If you're a

1156
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 2: habitat guy or garrel, I hope you get out there

1157
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: and enjoy these coming weeks and months of habitat season,

1158
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 2: improving early successional habitat, or managing your timber or preparing

1159
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 2: food plots, you know, creating new prairie habitat, whatever it is,

1160
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: it's great. It's good to get your hands dirty, get

1161
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: out there in the land and give back. So I'm

1162
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: happy you're doing it. I appreciate it, And until next time,

1163
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 2: stay wired to hunt.