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Speaker 1: Within forty eight hours from this exact point in time,

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Speaker 1: the United States of America will hit and obliterate the

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Speaker 2: Obliterating and obliterate. We know how obliterate went when, well,

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Speaker 2: it was a few a few months ago. His threats

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Speaker 2: seem to becoming hourly and scattershot. Pardon the pardon the

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Speaker 2: analogy from this president, which makes me wonder still, as

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Speaker 2: I was thundering yesterday, do they even know what they're doing?

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Speaker 3: I think the thing that was there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: interesting things in this post, but he has said over

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Speaker 3: and over we don't need the straight of horror moves.

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Speaker 3: Everything's fine. So why is he so angry that it's crules,

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Speaker 3: Because the truth is, we do need it. The United States.

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Speaker 3: Everybody in the world uses in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 3: And so when you have a president who used the

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Speaker 3: adversaries can't actually understand what you want or what you're

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Speaker 3: thinking about, what you might do, Who knows what this

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Speaker 3: forty eight hours means he loves, he loves to throw

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Speaker 3: out of time forty eight hours to two weeks, and

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Speaker 4: Then.

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Speaker 5: Set up, come out. If that's the funny, if she's done.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, at this point, we are essentially

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Speaker 1: funding a war against ourselves as we have run hid sanctions,

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Speaker 1: and so the more we continue to bomb out their infrastructure,

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Speaker 1: a it is a vicious cycle here.

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Speaker 2: And it's putting our it's putting putting our service members

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Speaker 3: The Americas that live in the region, right, and not

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Speaker 1: And the one thing that I feel like all of

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Speaker 1: is just that Trump cannot unilaterally decide that this war

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Speaker 1: leverage that they have left, and that is all lies

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Speaker 1: in mucking up what's going on in the Strait of

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Speaker 1: Horror moves. And I think even if he decided he

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Speaker 1: an option anymore.

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Speaker 3: You have weeks or possibly months of impact. And also

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Speaker 3: when countries are desperate, when human beings are desperate, they

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Speaker 3: act in certain ways. And so what we're seeing the

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Speaker 3: straight of Horror moves what Iran might do if Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump goes through with this threat. Iran again, like you said,

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Speaker 6: At this point, an.

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Speaker 7: Increasing number of countries are starting to see their own

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Speaker 7: the Strait of Horror Moves and to protect their own

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Speaker 7: But as far as these countries contributing naval capabilities for

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Speaker 8: Iran dangerous the entire world.

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Speaker 9: The last forty eight hours, the last forty eight hours,

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Speaker 8: They're doing that as a mass murder weapon.

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Speaker 9: Luckily no one was killed, but that's due to luck

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Speaker 9: out their intention. Their intention is to murder civilians exactly

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Speaker 8: They are putting everyone in their sights and forth.

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Speaker 9: They're stopping a maritime international route, energy route, and trying

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Speaker 9: to blackmail the entire world. What more proof do you

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Speaker 9: need that this regime that threatens the entire world has

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Speaker 9: together for the entire world, and it's time to see

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Speaker 9: I'm happy to say that I could see some of

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Speaker 8: But more is needed.

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Speaker 9: President Trump's call to have the international community confront this terrorist,

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Speaker 9: It's for the security of the entire world. And it's

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Speaker 9: time then to act.

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Speaker 10: So what will your response be to this attack on

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Speaker 9: We're responding with great force, but not in civilians. We're

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Speaker 9: going after the regime. We're going after the IRGC, this

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Speaker 8: We're going after the first time. What does victory look

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Speaker 8: like in this campaign, Well, we've defined two clear goals.

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Speaker 9: One is to break completely they're a nuclear program, break

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Speaker 8: For both of these programs. Were well on our way

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Speaker 9: We've also set a goal of grading conditions from the

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Speaker 9: and made black miserable, and it's making life miserable for

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Speaker 8: And I hope we achieved that too.

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Speaker 10: Open by President Trump said that if in forty eight

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Speaker 10: there will be strikes against the power grids in Iran.

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Speaker 10: Will you participate in those strikes? And what do you

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Speaker 9: I think President Trump knows exactly what he's doing and

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Speaker 10: As the Prime Minister was leaving, I asked him about

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Speaker 10: these two leaders have amid Operation Epic Fury. The operation

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Speaker 11: Us been discussed this week about whether the US would

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Speaker 7: Well, that does seem to be one possible option that

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Speaker 7: US casualties for very low gains. I think the strategy

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Speaker 7: a few problems with that logic. The first is it

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Speaker 6: And there's definitely no guarantee of that.

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Speaker 7: Amphibious operations are very difficult, and even if forces were

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Speaker 7: it's not the right location for that, and right now

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Speaker 7: around strategy is very low cost. It does not lead

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Speaker 7: So I guess I see this as a very bad option.

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Speaker 7: It has very high risk, high costs, and very little

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Speaker 12: Good Bye ahead, who how what love that hell hurl cobble?

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Speaker 13: I want to drill down on the sort of the

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Speaker 13: endgame here. There was a bit of a kerfuffle, I

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Speaker 13: So what will Israel do when the leader, the US,

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Speaker 14: DNA you know, we've planned this operation together, we're implementing

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Speaker 13: My epetis is on how it's going to end. Well,

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Speaker 14: You know what, when it ends, it's going to end,

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Speaker 14: as President Trump and Prime Minister have said, where there

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Speaker 14: That way. Probably it's going to take place because the

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Speaker 14: Iranian people have had enough. They try to raise up

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Speaker 14: last month, they were brutally put down. I think that

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Speaker 14: we need boots on the ground, but they've got to

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Speaker 14: be Iranian boots, and I think they're coming. How so,

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Speaker 14: because the people there's a point of combustion. Look, nobody

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Speaker 15: Sunday, twenty two March in the Year of Our Lord

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty four. They kind of complexion of this war's change.

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Speaker 15: I think over the last twenty four hours. In the

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Speaker 15: inflection point right there, the Israeli ambassador to the United

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Speaker 15: outright second time. And this is what's gotten us in

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Speaker 15: the last seventy two hours. In this kind of jam,

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Speaker 15: with no off ramp, once again, the Israelis and a

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Speaker 15: a standing order from the presid of the United States,

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Speaker 15: The Kataris are saying toka seventeen percent of their capacity

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Speaker 6: Don't think they've technically done it.

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Speaker 15: Force majeure on five year contracts for gas for principal

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Speaker 15: And I think I'll be prepared. I don't know Monday

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Speaker 6: Got to be thought through.

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Speaker 6: You obviously as an aviator, and they do have.

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Speaker 15: Clearly, one of the capabilities that people will be looking

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Speaker 16: Well, first of all, Steve, it's great to be back

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Speaker 16: They bring command and control, they bring air power, they

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Speaker 15: The amphibious operations in World War Two, which I think

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Speaker 16: Yeah, So considered defense in depth, and we want those

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Speaker 15: be the countries that really use it. That would be

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Speaker 15: the flags of Asia, Japan and the Chinese Chinese Commist Party,

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Speaker 15: plus our European allies. Also the wild card and this

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Speaker 15: is the Hooties who gave as good as a god

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Speaker 15: back in the summer against the United States Navy and

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Speaker 15: the was it the Gate of tears down there in

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Speaker 15: the Red Sea? Is I don't know ten times more

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Speaker 15: lethal than straight of hormuz. Leads right to the SEWSK

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Speaker 15: and I we'll talk about all of that. Gold had

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Speaker 15: its worst week in forty three years. Find out Philip

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Speaker 15: Patrick's gonna be with us tomorrow. Make sure you get

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Speaker 15: access to him. Take your front of text, Ben and

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Speaker 15: b A N N O N nine eight nine eight

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Speaker 15: nine eight. You get the ultimate guy, totally free, no

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Speaker 15: obligation of investing a gold and precious metals in the

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Speaker 15: age of Trump, plus access to Philip Patrick and his team.

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Speaker 15: Short commercial break back in the moment.

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Speaker 6: War Room, use your host Stephen k back.

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Speaker 15: So, Admiral and I'm not trying to put you on

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Speaker 15: the spot, although you're an old and dear friend, so

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Speaker 15: I'll put.

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Speaker 6: You on the spot the UH full disclosure.

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Speaker 15: Admiral Hall was my kid brother's UH. I guess you

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Speaker 15: were the senior stick. You were the you were the plane,

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Speaker 15: the lamps pilot commander. My kid brother was your was

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Speaker 15: your co pilot for many many years, and UH learned

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Speaker 15: to be a great pilot under your mentorship.

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Speaker 6: You were known as a great pilot.

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Speaker 15: But you've done h as you went up in UH

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Speaker 15: in rank and became one of the rare helicopter pilots.

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Speaker 15: That makes Admiral one of the things you did. You

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Speaker 15: were a great brief for thinking through problems and briefing.

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Speaker 15: That's why you were over That's why you were at

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Speaker 15: the White House in the Trump first term, and particularly

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Speaker 15: given quite frankly, something that became a flash hot flash point,

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Speaker 15: the NATO situation. If you were with Admiral Cooper today

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Speaker 15: and the President kind of calls in from Marlock, go

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Speaker 15: give me, give the audience one or two minutes of

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Speaker 15: the pros and cons, because you've got to understand the

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Speaker 15: risk and how to mitigate it. The pros and cons

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Speaker 15: for the president get a framework for thinking about a

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Speaker 15: potential amphibious assault onto carg Island to basically seize control

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Speaker 15: of UH, seize control of the Iranian's capacity to actually

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Speaker 15: get their all out and monetize it.

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Speaker 16: Sir okay, Well, first of all, you know I remember

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Speaker 16: send Coom when I was involved with sent Coom at

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Speaker 16: the beginning of OEF Park. We have to take data,

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Speaker 16: turn it into information to facilitate a conversation in order

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Speaker 16: to make a great decision, and I think we have

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Speaker 16: the data in our intel.

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Speaker 15: You were at you were at, you were at Sencom,

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Speaker 15: you were at you were at sunk, you were at

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Speaker 15: Sencom with Tommy Franks in the in the in the

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Speaker 15: march up to Baghdad.

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Speaker 8: Correct.

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Speaker 6: In fact, you were a CYAPS at the time. You

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Speaker 6: information So if you were the yeah.

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Speaker 16: And I dropped forty minus million leaflets into Iraq. We

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Speaker 16: did the radio broadcasting into Iraq. I think we saved

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Speaker 16: a lot of lives and saved a lot of the infrastructure.

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Speaker 16: We did computer network attack and computer network defense, so

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Speaker 16: it laid the groundwork for the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

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Speaker 16: So I think we have the intel and also the

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Speaker 16: amphibious ready groups, the Tripoli and the Boxer have superior

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Speaker 16: extremely classified intelligence gathering capability and sensors, so we control

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Speaker 16: the electronic communications environment.

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Speaker 6: So I think.

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Speaker 16: At Sencom, at fifth Fleet, they're going to be deciding

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Speaker 16: do we have control of the air, do we have

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Speaker 16: control of the sea, What is the latest intel on

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Speaker 16: the infrastructure at carg Island, And then we do massive

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Speaker 16: briefs and rely on our training. So I think it's

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Speaker 16: very capable that we could take secure that island, defend

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Speaker 16: that island, and secure the infrastructure. But it would be

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Speaker 16: a great deal of planning, but the go.

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Speaker 6: Ahead, go ahead, go ahead, sir.

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Speaker 16: Now the meuse they've gone through this training to get

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Speaker 16: certified to deploy. We spend more time training than we

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Speaker 16: do deployed. And even I was talking to your little

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Speaker 16: brother and we talked about, you know, the training that

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Speaker 16: makes all our operations capable and how it lasts throughout

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Speaker 16: our lives. So I think the Marines and when you

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Speaker 16: have two amphibious ready groups, that's going to be a

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Speaker 16: tremendous power if needed or even does it?

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Speaker 6: Does it surprise? Does it surprise you? Does this surprise you?

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Speaker 15: Given the centrally, because, as Closefit says, the center gravity

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Speaker 15: of this battle is not Tehran.

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Speaker 6: The center gravity's battle is the Persian Gulf.

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Speaker 15: Understanding that and understanding that, Sencom understood it, and the

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Speaker 15: Joint Staff understood it, and fifth Fleet understood it, and

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Speaker 15: the Chief Naval Operations understood it. Does it surprise you

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Speaker 15: that were nineteen on day nineteen is actually one to

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Speaker 15: Tripoli got underway in day twenty is when the Boxer

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Speaker 15: got underway. Because they're not going to be there for

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Speaker 15: what a week or so, So if you want to

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Speaker 15: use this capacity, you want to have this capability. It's

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Speaker 15: not on it's not on station.

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Speaker 16: Sir well, I think that showed, you know, as I

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Speaker 16: thought about that, having traveled Boxer's route to the Persian Gulf,

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Speaker 16: it literally takes you know, if they go optimum speed,

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Speaker 16: it's going to take three and a half weeks to

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Speaker 16: get there. So I think that this is a tempered

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Speaker 16: approach that maybe you want to put that those ready

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Speaker 16: groups in there for phase four of the operation, where

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Speaker 16: there capabilities that can be moved in and out of

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Speaker 16: the golf as needed. So I look at it based

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Speaker 16: on the timing that it takes to get there that

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Speaker 16: they're used for the end state of the operation.

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Speaker 15: Let's pivot and I want to get George Papadopos. I'm

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Speaker 15: gonna get George into this conversation too. I want to

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Speaker 15: talk about and maybe Cleo uh Nato. You were on

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Speaker 15: the President, you were on the National Security Council in

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Speaker 15: charge of a hot potato NATO back then when the

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Speaker 15: President was saying, hey, look guys, you got to get

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Speaker 15: to two percent, and I want a real two percent.

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Speaker 15: I don't want you know, women's healthcare, I don't want

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Speaker 15: climate change.

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Speaker 6: I don't want all of it.

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Speaker 15: Your assessment at the time was that NATO was not

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Speaker 15: a real basically a functioning alliance because they they the

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Speaker 15: politicians just wouldn't put the money into interoperability, into maneuvers,

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Speaker 15: into equipment. That this was really on paper an alliance,

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Speaker 15: but it actually didn't work day to day as an alliance. Uh.

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Speaker 15: It was that your I just want to make sure

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Speaker 15: I'm not mis communicating that was that essentially your position

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Speaker 15: at the time.

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Speaker 16: That that was my position well on the National Security Council,

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Speaker 16: but also Steve I spent two and a half years

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Speaker 16: at NATO Northwoods in the Maritime Component Command as the

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Speaker 16: Assistant Chief of Staff of Operations, and so during that time,

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Speaker 16: you know, yes, we throw great parties, we have a

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Speaker 16: lot of fun, but even something is planning the summer picnic,

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Speaker 16: all the NATO nations shuffled their feet waited for the

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Speaker 16: United States to say, okay, we'll take charge of it.

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Speaker 16: So they had a small standing naval destroyer group in

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Speaker 16: the Mediterranean and a small anti mine group you know,

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Speaker 16: in the Black Sea, but very little capability. In fact,

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Speaker 16: we came up with the idea of a naval quick

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Speaker 16: reaction force and we would exercise it. We would have

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Speaker 16: countries sign up per quarter, so we would have four

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Speaker 16: functional quick naval quick reaction forces in one quarter of

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Speaker 16: the annual under year. We would deploy those forces. Well,

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Speaker 16: guess what, no NATO nation signed up for the quarter

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Speaker 16: where we were going to deploy, and so the United

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Speaker 16: States took that. So they're they're very fickle force. They

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Speaker 16: love to talk about the alliance and how important it is,

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Speaker 16: but the combat readiness comes from national forces, not from

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Speaker 16: NATO forces. And the other concern when I was there

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Speaker 16: was can we keep up with the communication and information

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Speaker 16: operations with the United States. They're you know, when they

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Speaker 16: spend all their money on social programs and not on defense.

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Speaker 16: They couldn't keep up with the technology simple basic radio communications.

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Speaker 16: So yeah, they're a paper tiger. And so my job I.

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Speaker 6: Was back in the time, I was yeah, keep going,

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Speaker 6: keep going.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 16: I was told by the Chief of Naval Operations, your

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Speaker 16: job at NATO is to understand NATO, so you can

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Speaker 16: teach us all what NATO is. And again as far

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Speaker 16: as fighting capability, limited fighting capability, little ability to deploy forces.

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Speaker 16: When I left there, I took command of Amphibus Strike

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Speaker 16: Group two and I had twenty six ships and sixteen

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Speaker 16: thousand sailors under my command. That was larger than the

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Speaker 16: British Navy. You know in Britannia once ruled the seas.

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Speaker 16: So it's NATO is not what Americans they think it is.

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Speaker 16: It's staffs.

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Speaker 15: I think we got to have we got to have

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Speaker 15: you back during the week. No more detail, but I

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Speaker 15: want to go back to the summer in the Red Sea,

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Speaker 15: because the Red Sea, that gate of tears.

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Speaker 6: They'd get you into the Red Sea.

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Speaker 15: I think from the Gulf of Aden into the Red

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Speaker 15: Sea and then up to the Sewez Canal. Ninety of

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Speaker 15: what goes through there is for Europe during the summer.

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Speaker 15: It had to be an American carrier strike group down

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Speaker 15: there fighting the hooties. And folks don't discount the hoodies

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Speaker 15: because there are a bunch of tribesmen in the mountains.

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Speaker 15: They're kind of they got they got the they're born

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Speaker 15: fighting like the scotch Irish. These are tough guys that

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Speaker 15: have beaten the Egyptians, the British. They're just tough. They

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Speaker 15: beat that, they beat UAE, the Saudiast. Nobody's ever really

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Speaker 15: going to get And the reason is they just fight

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Speaker 15: to the end, and they're very savvy and they they

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Speaker 15: gave as good as they got with the United States

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Speaker 15: Navy last summer, and I kept screaming and screaming. I

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Speaker 15: think the British eventually sent a frigate in the French

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Speaker 15: center corvette and the Italian sent a supply ship and

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Speaker 15: that was about it. Right now, when the President of

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Speaker 15: the United States says, hey, look, We've done what we're

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Speaker 15: going to do, and I'm gonna have Cooper and Kine

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Speaker 15: is going to defang and declau for another week or two.

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Speaker 6: Uh, but we're out of here.

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Speaker 15: And if you use the Strait of Hormuz, that's your problem,

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Speaker 15: and you guys got going to keep it open. What

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Speaker 15: is the possibility of that being a reality with the

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Speaker 15: combined navies of NATO. Let's throw in the Japanese UH

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Speaker 15: and maybe even give the PLA the People's Liberation Navy.

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Speaker 15: H Is there any combination thereof that could actually take

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Speaker 15: the place of the United States Navy to practically keep

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Speaker 15: the straight or her moves open.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I hope is not a plan of action. But

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Speaker 16: I would rely more on Japan's capable navy than some

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Speaker 16: of the Europeans to get there. If you remember, back

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Speaker 16: in two thousand and seven, the British sailors were captured

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Speaker 16: by Iranians and it was a whole Keystone cop operation.

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Speaker 16: So they're not as capable as they used to be.

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Speaker 16: But I think once we finish up here, it should

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Speaker 16: be a simple process to keep the straight open using

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Speaker 16: European naval forces in but I would rely on Japan.

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Speaker 16: I think they have the capability of the training, the

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Speaker 16: discipline to maintain the straits open.

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Speaker 15: So when you say clean up, you mean after we've

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Speaker 15: are you saying, hey, after we're going to phase four

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Speaker 15: whatever this phases, is that we've actually taken carg Island,

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Speaker 15: when we've secured the perimeter of the Persian Gulf, even

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Speaker 15: if we have to take a beachhead on southern Iran,

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Speaker 15: and if we've got carg Island at that time, you

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Speaker 15: think we can turn over escort duty to the Europeans

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Speaker 15: into the Japanese to escort the tankers in and out.

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Speaker 15: Or is there something we can do beforehand, like President

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Speaker 15: Trump originally said, to kind of walk away and toss

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Speaker 15: it to them.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think as we get as we wind down

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Speaker 16: this that it's not that difficult to escort tankers through

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Speaker 16: the strait of horror moves. I've been through that strait

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Speaker 16: of horror moves dozens upon dozens of time, both in

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Speaker 16: daylight at nighttime, in all sorts of conditions, and so

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Speaker 16: I think right now, just based on industry and insurance

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Speaker 16: I don't think it's going to take a lot of

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Speaker 16: military power to maintain the straits open so that there's

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Speaker 16: a free freedom of navigation and that shipping can flow freely.

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Speaker 6: Fantastic, good report.

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Speaker 15: Look forward to talking to you in the next couple

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Speaker 15: of days, particularly as President Trump's got this ultimatum for

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Speaker 15: four forty five eastern daylight time on Monday. Of course,

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Speaker 15: we know that the Iranians are reaching out to people

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Speaker 6: Amber Hall.

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Speaker 6: That's how you can get a hold of me.

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Speaker 15: Thank you, Admiral, appreciate you particularly change it, particularly change

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Speaker 15: use your host Stephen K. Bas Okay, welcome back. Remember

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Speaker 15: when you saw this kind of major escalation between the

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Speaker 15: Iranians and the Israelis last night with both of them

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Speaker 15: being hit and hitting each other. That's on top of

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Speaker 6: The substrate of this.

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Speaker 15: I think that Rebi Willicki's tell me that the the

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Speaker 15: Tehran regime has issued a response to President Trump's ultimatum.

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Speaker 6: They kind of said it the other day.

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Speaker 15: I think they said, hey, look, if you're gonna come

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Speaker 15: in and take out our electro, we writ in your

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Speaker 15: threaten and we'll take down every piece of oil and

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Speaker 15: gas infrastructure in the Gulf, or words of that effect.

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Speaker 15: So we'll see Reber will Look, he's gonna have an

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Speaker 15: update in a moment. George Papadopta is going to talk

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Speaker 15: about maybe some alternatives. Pascal. Nothing warms my heart more

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Speaker 15: here in the war room. Then have someone introduce someone

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Speaker 15: like you to the audience, I don't know, a year

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Speaker 15: or so ago. Uh, and to be so dead spot

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Speaker 15: on on Dieger Garcia, the expansion of this war and uh.

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Speaker 15: And of course BB I think did a good job explaining, Hey,

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Speaker 15: look they do got the ability to deliver a farther

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Speaker 15: beyond than Israel and Qatar and uh and Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 15: is they launched a blissic missile towards Diego Garcia, which

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Speaker 15: you had pointed out for over a year here on

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Speaker 15: the show that how important strategically it was. The Persians

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Speaker 15: think so too. If it was not, I think for

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Speaker 15: an Aegis class destroyer cruiser to.

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Speaker 6: Take you down, there would have been a could have

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Speaker 6: been a catastrophic hit onto the atoll.

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Speaker 15: In the in the in the in the the pier

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Speaker 15: in the runway that is Dieger Garcia. You're you're do

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Speaker 15: you think the Brits now know that maybe that's an

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Speaker 15: asset that we keep, ma'am.

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Speaker 17: I'm very grateful for the coverage on the the war

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Speaker 17: room of the situation in Diego Garcia. There were two

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Speaker 17: missiles launched out at one disintegrated effectively, in the other

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Speaker 17: one we defended. I think that this points to an

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Speaker 17: even larger problem. Admiralll Hall was talking about NATO and

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Speaker 17: UK capabilities. They're becoming increasingly clear that this is a

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Speaker 17: serious problem and all of the UK assets, I think

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Speaker 17: need to be looked at. There was a drone strike

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Speaker 17: on one of their two bases in Cyprus, for example,

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Speaker 17: and now the Cypriot government is talking about, oh, we're

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Speaker 17: going to have to perhaps renegotiate or take a new

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Speaker 17: look at having UK bases in Cyprus after this conflict

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Speaker 17: is over. That's another real serious problem for the US.

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Speaker 17: There are I think some major signals intelligence operations going

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Speaker 17: on out of Cyprus, and we're seeing a degree of

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Speaker 17: potential penetration of the UK government that raises concerns also

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Speaker 17: in financial sectors, where you've got that large embassy that

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Speaker 17: they're talking about. The Chinese are talking about building in

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Speaker 17: London being built near some of the cables that transmit

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Speaker 17: key information into and out of the city, and of

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Speaker 17: course those transmissions are very time sensitive if you're doing

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Speaker 17: trades or things like that. And there was also reporting

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Speaker 17: they've arrested a few people in the UK recently on

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Speaker 17: suspected spying for the Chinese. One of them, a labor advisor,

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Speaker 17: spoke directly to Marco Rubio in December twenty four about

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Speaker 17: Chegos just before he became Secretary of State. So they

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Speaker 17: are We're going to have to really look not just

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Speaker 17: at them being not particularly helpful, perhaps as Admiral Hall

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Speaker 17: was describing, but potentially being an actual vulnerability across multiple areas.

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Speaker 6: The CCP and all of this. Give us your perspective.

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Speaker 15: I know you focus on Micronesia and the islands and

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Speaker 15: the Pacific, the western part of the United States. What

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Speaker 15: is the third island chain? How are they taking this

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Speaker 15: in right now? Because they're oil has essentially been cut off,

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Speaker 15: we think. But now we're hearing you last week that

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Speaker 15: they're letting Chinese flag vessels through in Beijing. How are

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Speaker 15: they viewing this, man, I'm.

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Speaker 17: Hoping that it's making them recalculate a little bit. On

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Speaker 17: the ground, I don't see a lot of slowing down.

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Speaker 17: So I was recently in Yap, in Palau and Guam,

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Speaker 17: and in Yap, if you remember, we covered the Chinese

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Speaker 17: rebuilding of that Imperial Japanese runway on Woollee. That construction

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Speaker 17: crew has now moved onto the main island of Yap,

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Speaker 17: where the US is putting in two billion dollars worth

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Speaker 17: of infrastructure, and according to Secuary Access public statements, although

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Speaker 17: the negotiations are complete, and this is where you get

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Speaker 17: a concern, I look more at kind of the left

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Speaker 17: of bang happens before things blow up so that hopefully

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Speaker 17: things don't blow up. That same Chinese company that was

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Speaker 17: doing the runway is on the main island doing a

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Speaker 17: bridge which is in a location between the port and

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Speaker 17: the airport that the US is looking at rebuilding. And

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Speaker 17: they've also settled in to do over a dozen secondary

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Speaker 17: roads on the island. So from a situation of about

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Speaker 17: a year ago where there was essentially no Chinese installed

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Speaker 17: government linked operations on the island of Yap, they're now

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Speaker 17: settling in and they do the relationship mapping, figure out

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Speaker 17: who they can buy, who they can influence, and they're

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Speaker 17: settling in for the long run. So that runway, which

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Speaker 17: is about four hundred miles from Guam, which they've completed.

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Speaker 17: They've completed the runway, but they've left behind on WOOLYI

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Speaker 17: containers and I don't know what's in the containers. They

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Speaker 17: also left behind a couple of tenders. One of them

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Speaker 17: has sunk and has leaked oil into the lagoon. So

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Speaker 17: the locals are having problems with the fishing supplies. It's

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Speaker 17: just it's not dialing down. So I hope that they're reconsidering.

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Speaker 17: But all of this, everything we've spoken about the islands

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Speaker 17: new Garcia, what's happening in Cyprus. This is all logistics.

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Speaker 17: This is all about the four right and unless we

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Speaker 17: can kind of do a proper assessment and regain control

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Speaker 17: on the logistics, which is where the Chinese are trying

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Speaker 17: And they're putting in place logistical control in order to

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