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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where I don't think Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: is gonna make another life changing play again this season,

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Speaker 1: but you never know, Like at this point, he makes

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Speaker 1: the impossible possible. I'm Greg Rosenthal in the Chris Westling

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Speaker 1: podcast studio. I'm with my friend Patrick Clayback.

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Speaker 2: Nick Shook is joining us from Cleveland. The Divisional round

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Speaker 2: was a banger. Conference Championship weekend is gonna have a

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Speaker 2: lot to live up to, Nick Shook. We know what

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Speaker 2: the championship games are gonna be, and yes, the Bears

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Speaker 2: are not gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Involved in it.

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Speaker 2: And yet even though they lost in this game, I

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Speaker 2: still can't like move past that one last Caleb movement

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Speaker 2: that he gave us earlier tonight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's only right that it ended that way.

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Speaker 4: Of course, you don't want, you know, Bears fans to

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Speaker 4: have their hearts broken, as they too often have, But

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Speaker 4: it's only right that they had another miraculous play on

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Speaker 4: a fourth for gotta have it situation that pays off

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Speaker 4: and gives them one last thrill to basically put a

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Speaker 4: caper on what was a thrill filled twenty twenty five season,

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Speaker 4: The great debut for the Ben Johnson Era and plenty

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Speaker 4: to look forward to for this fan base.

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Speaker 5: In classic no No, No, No, Yes form where Caleb

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Speaker 5: instantly starts to retreat and spins back and it's like,

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Speaker 5: oh no, it's all gonna be for naught, and then

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Speaker 5: magic that ultimately fizzles out. But living in those moments

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Speaker 5: is what makes this whole enterprise.

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Speaker 2: Yes so special, I know, And I got Eric Roberts,

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Speaker 2: he's recovered. We love you, Eric from that that thing

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Speaker 2: we won't talk about that happened on Saturday, involving your

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Speaker 2: team yelling at me. It's like, we're gonna get to

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Speaker 2: that play. We're gonna talk about the play. But sometimes

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Speaker 2: plays and themes of a season we can't even wait

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Speaker 2: to get into. And Caleb Williams and these plays that

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Speaker 2: he's made at the end of these games.

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Speaker 1: To me are like the number one theme of this season.

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Speaker 2: And yet it was the Rams, resourceful as ever, who

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Speaker 2: found a way to get it done in that cold for.

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Speaker 3: The rookie Harrison Mivas on the hold of Eathan Evans.

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Speaker 3: Here it comes to send the Rams to Seattle for the.

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Speaker 6: NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 7: It's good.

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Speaker 8: To Rams win.

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Speaker 3: It's twenty to seventeen in over time.

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Speaker 1: A great call by our friend JB.

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Speaker 2: Long, who's making that long flight back from Chicago on

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Speaker 2: Sunday night with our friend Maurice Jones Drew, and they're

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Speaker 2: going to be making another flight up the coast to

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Speaker 2: Seattle for the NFC Championship game next Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Harrison mevs.

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Speaker 2: Before getting bleeped on NBC after the game that was controversial,

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Speaker 2: finishes out a crazy game that had a little bit

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Speaker 2: of everything, twenty to seventeen the Rams win. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do something different here, Patrick and Nick. We're each

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Speaker 2: going to have one overarching thought, Oh my God, of

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Speaker 2: this game, like a takeaway before we get into everything.

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Speaker 2: I'm putting you on the spot, what is your takeaway

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Speaker 2: from this entire affair?

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Speaker 5: Okay, so around eighty plays for the starters on both teams,

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Speaker 5: I think you altered the results on fifteen of those

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Speaker 5: individual plays get a different end result. It's equal parts

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Speaker 5: frustrating as well as fantastic because those are the stakes

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Speaker 5: in a single elimination playoff game, and I hope, in

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Speaker 5: our everlasting search, Greg are for that one particular.

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Speaker 9: Thing to take away from the game.

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Speaker 5: We pull back our focus and we're able to turn

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Speaker 5: the resolution up and see that the forest is the trees,

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Speaker 5: the individual aspects that make all of this.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm getting three different takeaways to start,

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Speaker 2: just three umbrella takeaways.

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Speaker 1: As we get going, what about you shuk.

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Speaker 4: This was a classic case of a football game that

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Speaker 4: was included many phases. It included a first half in

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Speaker 4: which the Bears didn't capitalize on what I thought was

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Speaker 4: a better half of performance than their opposition, the Rams.

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Speaker 4: Yet you're tied at ten. It's basically a slog of

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Speaker 3: Naturally.

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Speaker 4: I think that it was a perfect example of how

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Speaker 4: football is truly a fourth quarter and sometimes extra period

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the reason I started even with that, like

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Speaker 2: has to be sad to see this. Caleb Williams, Ben

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Speaker 2: Johnson team go. Because we've been doing this a while,

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Speaker 2: there's never been anything quite like the end of this

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Speaker 1: Not really.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you go back to the Week sixteen

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Speaker 2: first of all, he has the most you know, comeback

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Speaker 2: literally that hasn't happened. But the combination of what he

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Speaker 2: Week sixty, like, I can't remember a ride we've ever

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Speaker 2: been on like this. But my takeaway, so I guess

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Speaker 2: that was kind of too. I'm jamming it in there.

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Speaker 1: That's what you do as a host.

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Speaker 2: My takeaway is that, like the Rams defense kept giving

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford enough chances to eventually do the thing that

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford does. And I think that gets to your

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Speaker 2: point too, to both of your points that it is

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Speaker 2: a fourth quarter, overtime game. It had so many swings,

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Speaker 2: but we're gonna get to the Patriots Texans. I should

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Speaker 2: have mentioned the AFC championship that happened is set as well,

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Speaker 2: but I found some similarities here where the two leading

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Speaker 2: But it is a team sport, and particularly for Stafford,

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Speaker 2: who I think had his worst game of the entire

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Speaker 2: he's picked up his teammates and his defense so many

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was great performances, especially the entire Bears secondary.

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Speaker 5: Deshaun Wright had better coverage on Devonte Adams for almost

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Speaker 9: Excuse me MeVis field goal drive.

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Speaker 5: I've been thinking about it all night and I loved

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Speaker 5: it on the first try. But in terms of like

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Speaker 5: the game by Jakwon Brisker, the game by Kyler Gordon,

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Speaker 5: it was over and over again the Bears defense putting

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Speaker 5: Stafford in these disadvantageous positions were you know, maybe throwing

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Speaker 5: the balls not the right circumstance, but they're gonna dance

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Speaker 9: Just a great defensive performance tonight. They came up a

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Speaker 2: You made a face shook when I said I thought

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Speaker 2: it was the worst Stafford performance of the of the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you disagree?

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Speaker 3: You're wrong?

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Speaker 4: His worst performance was in Atlanta at the end, near

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Speaker 4: the end of the season. There was a terrible game

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Speaker 4: they had that day. This was not close to that.

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Speaker 4: But what this was a great example of why the

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Speaker 4: playoffs are so captivating, and especially this year, because this

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Speaker 4: game mirrored a lot of what we saw in Denver yesterday,

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Speaker 4: which was coaches making adjustments and basically reacting to what

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Speaker 4: the power back. And in this instance, it was Dennis

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Speaker 4: to it. And then it's Sean mcvagh getting the halftime

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Speaker 4: they're all just like, run the ball more.

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Speaker 3: And what did you do?

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Speaker 4: They come out, they run the ball more and they

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Speaker 4: get back on track a chess match, a back while

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Speaker 3: So good, we.

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Speaker 9: Got laid to the fourth course.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I think I don't know if he

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Speaker 2: was watching the halftime live. Maybe they played it to

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Speaker 2: there was like a seven drive sequence where they had

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Speaker 2: of the game they had thrown the ball thirty four times,

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Speaker 2: they had run it eleven times. Maybe he actually was

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Speaker 2: in the game, it would been thirty four to eleven

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Speaker 2: in terms of passes to runs after that point when

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Speaker 2: I sent that out. Not taking credit, but you just

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Speaker 2: never know, I mean, causation correlation.

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Speaker 1: Who knows.

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Speaker 2: They only threw the ball twelve times, they ran it

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Speaker 2: that also included the classic puka akua fourth down play.

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Speaker 2: Let's actually listen to a question from the press conference

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Speaker 1: Is there anything to take from tonight going so pass

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Speaker 10: What I I kind of mentioned it, I could have

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Speaker 10: done a much better job. And then I did think

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Speaker 10: once we were able to get some success, we settled

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Speaker 10: into a little bit of a different approach, you know,

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Speaker 10: so I think overall, what I would say Jordan is

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Speaker 10: I did not like the feel for the flow of

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Speaker 10: the game that I had outside of the first you

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Speaker 10: know series, where our guys did a great job defensively.

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Speaker 10: It kept us in it in spite of how you know, poorly,

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Speaker 10: you know, poor of a job I did for our group.

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Speaker 10: But like I said, you know, I'm I'm really grateful

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Speaker 10: for this group being able to find a way stick

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Speaker 10: with it and be able to overcome some bad coaching

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Speaker 10: by me tonight.

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Speaker 5: You know, you'd like to have players who are coach

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Speaker 5: and you know that you look at the history of

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Speaker 5: Jordan Rodriy coaching up Sean McVeigh in the past. We

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Speaker 2: True because I think you had a better question because

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Speaker 2: it was Jordan asking him that question in that spot

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Speaker 2: and he understood.

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Speaker 1: It was a great answer.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, they get the ball back in the start

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Speaker 2: incredible game plan getting pressure throughout, Kevin Byerd actually told

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Speaker 2: That's byered in a big spot and it's crazy if

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Speaker 4: What am I anticipating that they're doing? And it's so

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Speaker 4: Allen was dictating to you It's just a great thing

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Speaker 3: That's why these games are so special.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the the picture dictates so much of what the

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Speaker 9: It's base on the look.

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Speaker 5: And to take that particular flow back from Dennis Allen

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Speaker 5: the Bears. Like the Bears time to their pressure, Wow,

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Speaker 5: a lot of them was was less than less than

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Speaker 2: They were all in that position though, because of the play.

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Speaker 11: And it's fourth and four at the Ram fourteen and

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Speaker 9: Four man rush.

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Speaker 6: He's chased, he's flushed, he's.

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Speaker 11: He's back pedaling and fills the pass and the girls

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Speaker 6: Touchdown Chandos kind of touchdown pass.

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Speaker 6: If you hadn't seen it, you would not believe it.

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Speaker 9: That Soldier Field Stude's mad.

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Speaker 3: It's a Marlond banger.

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Speaker 2: Another one the best love Kevin Harlan And yeah, I could.

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Speaker 2: And and uh, look the way he kept running back

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Speaker 2: Occasionally you'll see in these flag like middle school leagues

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Speaker 5: Yeah, just wanted to get enough time to have his

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Speaker 5: ninety eight. Yeah, with the way that all of Fisk

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Speaker 2: So this throw, you won't be surprised to know, was

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Speaker 2: It also was the longest completion of any red zone throw.

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Speaker 1: And did you think you would?

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I would say I think that

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Speaker 3: So I understand why.

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Speaker 4: You kick the pat you take it to overtime, you

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Speaker 3: Totally understood why though. Don't disagree with it at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd said to Greg before the drive that this

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Speaker 5: the explanation from coach Johnson makes perfect sense. It chooks

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't executed well. As he pointed out, he

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Speaker 2: was just saying, look, they weren't clean. He wishes he

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Speaker 2: wasn't great. And if you're watching again you can see

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Speaker 2: see this that Stacy Dale's shot of the Caleb touchdown,

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Speaker 2: Then I'm going to find Stacy Dale's and go right

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Speaker 5: If you're watching on Sunday Night Football, you're thinking, wow,

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Speaker 5: co Comett went right to the Sunday Night Football camera

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Speaker 9: No, that was Stacy. He was doing that celebration. App Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Also Stacy great master of the zoom feature on an iPhone, right,

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Speaker 4: like the little pull your thumb up, pull it down,

445
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,800
Speaker 4: zoom and in, zoom out at the perfect time, he'll

446
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Speaker 4: cook hit her up.

447
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Speaker 1: Whole thing is crazy.

448
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: And I certainly don't blame Ben Johnson for not going

449
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 2: for two. And this is why press conference is, you know,

450
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: asking for context is perfect. That all made sense, like

451
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 2: his answer for and ultimately he got the ball back

452
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 2: in overtime, his defense got a stop that might have

453
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Speaker 2: played into it. He thought, He's like, I felt like,

454
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Speaker 2: you know, we could go win it in overtime, and

455
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: he was you know, he was right. He got the

456
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Speaker 2: ball back, he gets all the way to midfield in overtime.

457
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Speaker 2: And you do think about whether the fourth down decisions

458
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 2: too earlier in this game, you know, impacted Ben Johnson.

459
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: So the Bears go three for six on fourth down

460
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Speaker 2: in this game. Now they get a touchdown in the

461
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 2: first half because they go for it on fourth down

462
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 2: and then they get stopped another time.

463
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Speaker 1: You know that that's a net win. You get seven points.

464
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: Seven's better than the two, it's greater than then you

465
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: have a goal line stop of DeAndre Swift on third down.

466
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Speaker 2: That was a really fascinating sequence. When the Bears are

467
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Speaker 2: driving late in regulation, it's their second, it's their drive

468
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Speaker 2: before that one. They get to the goal line and

469
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Speaker 2: there's a back to back play sequence with DeAndre Swift

470
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Speaker 2: trying to get in and then a stop on fourth

471
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Speaker 2: down that that could have possibly like been a James

472
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Speaker 2: Harrison type of play for Omar Spates. What were you

473
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Speaker 2: thinking about, like what the Rams defense was going to

474
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Speaker 2: do there? Just in general, like why was it, why

475
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Speaker 2: was it? Why were they like what did the Rams

476
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Speaker 2: do specifically? I guess if you saw anything in this

477
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 2: game because their defense did a great job too, and

478
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Speaker 2: deserves a lot of credit for slowing down this Bears

479
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Speaker 2: attack on the ground.

480
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the goal line, and this is a Bears team

481
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 4: that runs pretty violently inside the five when they do

482
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Speaker 4: commit to the run on the goal line, like it's

483
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 4: worked against other teams in the past, and this time around,

484
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 4: they kind of twist Swift down short of the goal

485
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: line by I think two yards on second down. Third down,

486
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Speaker 4: it looks like he's gonna make it with the toss,

487
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 4: but the Bear successfully string it out. He tries to

488
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,160
Speaker 4: go for the hurdle, then he gets blasted. Quinton Lake

489
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 4: flies in out of nowhere, so if you're watching on YouTube,

490
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Speaker 4: you can see it right now. He gets strung out

491
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Speaker 4: by Verse. He tries to hurdle over in next defender.

492
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Speaker 4: Then Quinton Lake flies in out of nowhere and blasts

493
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Speaker 4: him out of the air to send him down to

494
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Speaker 4: the ground still short of the goal line. He's gained

495
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Speaker 4: nothing there, and at that point you're thinking, Okay, if

496
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Speaker 4: you're trying to commit to running the ball, you believe

497
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Speaker 4: you can run the ball here into the end zone,

498
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Speaker 4: You're probably out of options going unto fourth down, I

499
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Speaker 4: don't know why kylem anun guy wasn't more involved. He's

500
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Speaker 4: the more violent runner of the two. But you can

501
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 4: always you know, Hindsight's twenty twenty. I thought the fourth

502
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 4: down play was curious at best. It was it was

503
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Speaker 4: basically like what you would call a spacing concept where

504
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Speaker 4: you get you know, guys in kind of a bunch

505
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Speaker 4: of formations. Somebody comes inside and runs a little like

506
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Speaker 4: hitch on the inside, and you just fired in there

507
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 4: in a tight window, but space was all over it.

508
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 4: It's a great play by the Rams defense, and at

509
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 4: that point you've exhausted all of the Bears goal line plays,

510
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 4: including probably the two point conversion, which is why I

511
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 4: had such a major effect on the outcome of the game,

512
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 4: because then they get down there with the miraculous catch

513
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 4: and they can't do anything to go win the game.

514
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Speaker 3: They just have to settle for the pat which is

515
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Speaker 3: perfectly fine.

516
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of those Particularly like the granular aspects

517
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 5: of that play, because they pulled Jordan McFadden, the left

518
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Speaker 5: guard on the other side on that shotgun hand off

519
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 5: to Swift where maybe you think he can go inside

520
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 5: of McFadden's block. He trusts himself to be able to

521
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Speaker 5: get to the end zone. Then he's got Darius Williams.

522
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Speaker 5: He can't see Quinton Lake coming on the backside. You know,

523
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Speaker 5: in hindsight and looking at the broadcast forew you're thinking, well,

524
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Speaker 5: if he takes Darius Williams corner to the pylon, I

525
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Speaker 5: think DeAndre Swift gets there, but he sees the shortest

526
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Speaker 5: route being there, not knowing that Lake was on the

527
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Speaker 5: outside of his block in the first place, which is

528
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Speaker 5: probably why he could have gone inside in the first way.

529
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Speaker 2: It did feel like Detroit Lions DeAndre Swift showed up

530
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Speaker 2: for one play because if he just didn't jump, he

531
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,679
Speaker 2: just lower lowered his shoulder like he's falling inside the

532
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Speaker 2: one I think at the at the worst. But but

533
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Speaker 2: the way they defended that, And yeah, there were so

534
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: many defensive plays by the Rams during this game which

535
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: kept him in it. But more than anything, it was

536
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Speaker 2: the secondary like Cam curl gets an absolutely massive interception

537
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Speaker 2: in overtime. Here is Cam Curle talking after the game. Uh,

538
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Speaker 2: with NBC picks for.

539
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Speaker 11: Your boy, Kobe Durant, how were you all able to

540
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 11: read Caleb Williams so well tonight, man?

541
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Speaker 1: You know, just just playing together.

542
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Speaker 12: Man.

543
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: We trust each other.

544
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Speaker 13: Man.

545
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 14: And you know we heard we had a little noise,

546
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 14: you know in the win about our secondary.

547
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Speaker 1: You know they were hating on us.

548
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Speaker 15: But you know, we can't to show them what we

549
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Speaker 15: can do.

550
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 1: Man.

551
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Speaker 9: We make plays back there.

552
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: Man, we win games for the team. What'd you hear?

553
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 12: Man?

554
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Speaker 3: I ain't will and you don't give him no no airtime.

555
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: But we heard it though, and that's why we played

556
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Speaker 3: like that. We wanna continue to play like that.

557
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Speaker 5: That's that's me. I'm sorry, Chicago. I motivated the Rams

558
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: secondary to play extra hard. I thought maybe the Bears

559
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 5: could exploit some size advantages, and considering the the Kobe

560
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Speaker 5: Durant play with cool commit it appears that happened.

561
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Speaker 2: But we've been talking about the Rams dbs being especially

562
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Speaker 2: the cornerbacks, being potentially their achilles heel all season. I

563
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Speaker 2: do want to show that Cam Curle interception in overtime

564
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: because I think it's going to be a controversial, you know,

565
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Speaker 2: play for a long time in Chicago. After the game,

566
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams said that it was a miscommunication that he

567
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Speaker 2: thought DJ Moore was going to flatten out the route

568
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Speaker 2: a little more, but more went vertical. Some other people

569
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Speaker 2: shooky saying Dj Moore kind of quiet quit on a

570
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Speaker 2: route at the biggest spot in overtime. What was your

571
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Speaker 2: your read on that? Just a fantastic play by the

572
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Speaker 2: way by Curl like that often is the difference in

573
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: these games is like a defensive back or defensive player

574
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: just like making the damn play. But it was not

575
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: a great Dj Moore moment and probably the last moment

576
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Speaker 2: of him in a Bear's uniform.

577
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think this is that both things can

578
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: be true situation because let's think about it from DJ

579
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: Moore's perspective, You're running that route, it's a deep over

580
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: and you're thinking, all right, this safety is here. I'm covered,

581
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 4: Like I'm not gonna get the ball because I'm covered,

582
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Speaker 4: Whereas Caleb's thinking flatten out, adjust to where the dB is.

583
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 4: He doesn't, so he does kind of quit on the play.

584
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: But also it's a great play made by the defensive back,

585
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Speaker 4: and it's just a bit of a misunderstanding between quarterback

586
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Speaker 4: and receiver.

587
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Speaker 3: And sometimes that just happens. It's just that it happened

588
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: to be the.

589
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Speaker 1: It happens with.

590
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Speaker 2: It happens with DJ Moore a lot it really is

591
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: probably why he's gonna be gone. Yeah, it's it's unfortunate

592
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: because look, that's I am more amazed by quarterbacks and

593
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: wide receivers being able to cite a just just as

594
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: a regular part of that's just how the NFL is played,

595
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: like on an every down basis. I'm more amazed by

596
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 2: that than almost anything, Like even more than all the athletics.

597
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: It seems insane that that works. It's always worked, so,

598
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 2: like I I get it that it's it's a high

599
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: degree of difficulty situation.

600
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately, I think Caleb had it read, you know right.

601
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Speaker 2: And it's interesting because they get the ball back there

602
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 2: in overtime after a pretty regrettable drive by the Rams,

603
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 2: and they get it all the way to midfield.

604
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is scrambling.

605
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: Later in the game, Caleb Williams is making a lot

606
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: of really great, high level throws. They're at midfield at

607
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: this point. I think Rams fans are thinking, like, this

608
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: game's probably over. They need one first down to get

609
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 2: in Cairo Santos's field goal rent and instead they're kind

610
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 2: of big game hunting, and that's how the Rams end

611
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: up moving on.

612
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and Caleb's aggressive.

613
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 5: That's that's why, that's why they were in this part

614
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 5: in this game in the first place. You know, it

615
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 5: has happened a lot with DJ Moore. I feel like

616
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 5: the fact that it was you know, route number fifty

617
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 5: eight for DJ Moore and the accumulation of you know,

618
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 5: DJ is not a smallish wide receiver to be you know,

619
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Speaker 5: playing that that volume of play, not to make excuse

620
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 5: for it, but just to highlight, you know, some of

621
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Speaker 5: the factors that go into that where he's, like you said,

622
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: he's not necessarily looking. If he's looking, I think it's

623
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 5: a little bit different. But didn't didn't see the ball,

624
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 5: saw something different than Caleb did. And this is a

625
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 5: couple of plays after Caleb runs directly into Landman on

626
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 5: a first down run where you know, he's like t

627
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 5: bow powering it down the field for the Chicago Bears.

628
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: And I know, you know, hindsight being absolutely flawless as

629
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 5: it always is going to be. Folks wanted some more

630
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 5: runs there, but people wanted runs when they were passes.

631
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: It's we could find me everything. We had a tom machine.

632
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,719
Speaker 1: Caleb was even though he threw three picks.

633
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Speaker 2: I just have so much more confidence in him than

634
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: I even did six weeks ago. I think he was

635
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: just improving on a week to week basis. Some of

636
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: the hole shots in this game, there was the one

637
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: to a Donze late in the fourth quarter that that

638
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: he hit, but there were there were a couple like that.

639
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: On that one actually, Colston Lovelin.

640
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: By the way, Ali Connelly texted me to point, make

641
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 2: sure you give Colston Loveland his credit for block and

642
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: Jared Verse.

643
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: One on one.

644
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 2: Sometimes tight ends can block the defensive end. It's not

645
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: always a problem, and it's true on that play, and

646
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: Caleb had a few plays like that to Adunze, to Moore,

647
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: who did have five catches in this game, including a

648
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 2: touchdown to Loveland. But I did think like a problem

649
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: from them in this game was like the Bears receivers

650
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: weren't always making the plays for him. I think there

651
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: were two to three clear drops. Loveland definitely had one

652
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 2: or two, and then there was probably like four or

653
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: five more that would have been tough, but you could

654
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: have made the play for him. We'll talk about the

655
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: Patriots in a second. Their receivers were making plays. The

656
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: defensive backs for the Rams were making plays. Kobe Durant

657
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 2: with two of them. They weren't easy ones. And yeah,

658
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: like I'm not going to like attribute it to anything

659
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: magical other than they just made it happen in the

660
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: end in a game that could not have been any closer.

661
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: And I think to your point in the I think

662
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Speaker 2: for a lot of the game it almost looked like

663
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Speaker 2: the Bears were the better team in the snuck it out.

664
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is kind of what it felt like. But

665
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: I also think that you're right in that they could

666
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: have made some plays. I think about a deep shot

667
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 4: to Luther Burden that gets broken up by a great

668
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 4: play by a Rams defensive back, and you think, oh,

669
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: maybe a bigger receiver or more experienced receiver, a stronger

670
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 4: receiver makes that play and that changes, you know, the

671
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 4: course of the game.

672
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: But it's also this game.

673
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: You know, on Caleb's three interceptions, we just talked about

674
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: the last one, but there was also one earlier where

675
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: it felt like maybe there was another misunderstanding. And it's

676
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 4: a feather in the Kapa Krushula, the defensive coordinator for

677
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: the Rams, for the way that he disguises coverage. They

678
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: come out showing man coverage across the board and it

679
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 4: looks like the receiving corps and Caleb both believe that

680
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 4: it's man coverage, and instead he goes to the corner

681
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 4: route to Luther Burton and Kobe Durant's right there drifting

682
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 4: back in zone coverage to pick it off and take

683
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: away the idea of a possible whole shot because you think,

684
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 4: all right, Burden's running the corner rout, he's got the

685
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 4: advantage on outside leverage over the safety, but he never

686
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 4: sees Durant back there because he thinks Durant's running with

687
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 4: the receiver who cuts inside from the outside, and he's.

688
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: Never going to be there.

689
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 4: And that's why it's beautiful that the Rams can get

690
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: away with things like this, or at least accomplished things

691
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 4: like this defensively. It's just to Feather and the Kappa

692
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: Chris Shula and an example of why football is so

693
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 4: much of a chess match in such an in game

694
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: reaction thing. And for Caleb, being a second year quarterback,

695
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: done so many great things you talk about over the

696
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: last six weeks. I go all the way back to

697
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 4: the Raider game, way back in Week four, when he

698
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: led them back. That was the first step in him

699
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: becoming this clutch player. He did it so many times

700
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: this season, but it is another example of why we

701
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 4: have to remind ourselves he is only in his second

702
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 4: year and he will learn from things like this.

703
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 5: There was a moment in the game where Collinsworth was

704
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 5: maybe speculating that Loveland runs the wrong route on the

705
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 5: adjustment there and could have taken up more space vertically

706
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 5: to occupied Durant so that there's more freedom to get

707
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 5: that ball to.

708
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 9: Luther Burden.

709
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 5: But a great play, a great call by defense of

710
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 5: as you said, Greg, one team made plays when the

711
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: ball was in the air and the other did.

712
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

713
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: And look, I think Colston Loveland ended up suffering a

714
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: concussion in this game. He did not finish the game.

715
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson did confirm that afterwards. You hate to see that.

716
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: Just shout out to Kevin Dotson and this running game

717
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: in this offensive line that you know, we'll have all

718
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: week to talk about what they need to do in Seattle.

719
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: But the running game, Look, it's it's not as easy

720
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 2: as just saying you got to run the ball more

721
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: and then and then it works like you got to

722
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: have the players to actually execute that. On a day

723
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: where they almost use no heavy personnel. They were basically

724
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: in three wide receivers the whole game, almost treating Jordan

725
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: Whittington as a tight end and or you know, sometimes

726
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: it was Mumpfield.

727
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: But they did not go heavy.

728
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: And for what it's worth, the few plays that they did,

729
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: it did not go very well for them. And when

730
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: they needed to run that, their offensive line really road graded.

731
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: And just we're getting four five yard chunks. Let's let's wrap. Actually,

732
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: just given the Rams some credit and by listening to

733
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: Sean McVay talk about what they were going up against today, and.

734
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 10: That's what it's about. You know, there's no style points.

735
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 10: It's about being able to survive in advance. And we

736
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 10: were able to do that in a tough, hostile environment.

737
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: And it was coldish today, and uh, yeah, they got

738
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: they got through.

739
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: Uh the West Coast team, they can they can win

740
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: in the cold. Uh probably won't be as cold in

741
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: Seattle next week.

742
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: Whew, let's uh, let's take a break.

743
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 2: I mean, the most surprising thing all Sunday for me

744
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 2: was not the moment that Caleb Williams uh through that pass.

745
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: It was the moment that Eric got in my ear

746
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: and told me we've already gone twenty five minutes.

747
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: I was like, what, I feel like we've all been

748
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: talking for like five it started minutes.

749
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 2: Let's take a quick break and we're gonna come back

750
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: and we're gonna talk about the AFC matchup between Drake

751
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: May and that Texans.

752
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 15: Defense steps us over the right guard.

753
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 14: Here comes a four man washed By stands and throws

754
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 14: a long bull if he's on the right supper King Shawn.

755
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 12: We unders Patriots. I'm coming after we has regained a

756
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 12: two score league?

757
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 8: What's up? How's the hell of the problem sorted for?

758
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 8: They walk Henderson up, they're telling the Touxis we're flowing it.

759
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 8: Trek Masons, I don't care.

760
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: Poor Zolac. I mean, Eric's just sick of hearing him.

761
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: He's like, that's enough, Solac, that's Bob Socie. That's the

762
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: final score in a twenty eight to sixteen Patriots victory.

763
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: New England is moving on to the AFC Championship game

764
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: in Denver. It was all building up to the Jarrett

765
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: Stidham revenge game all along.

766
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: What a sentence. We can talk about that later in

767
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: the week. First we got to talk about this game.

768
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: Similar to how Matthew Stafford's defense kept getting the ball

769
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: back to Stafford.

770
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: The Patriots defense kept getting it back with turnovers. CJ.

771
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: Stroud and the Texans turn it over five times. And

772
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: you can only keep this Patriots big play offense down

773
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: for so long. They did throw three touchdown passes, first

774
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 2: quarterback all season to do that against the Houston Texans.

775
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: It wasn't pretty shook on a play by play basis,

776
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: but I was impressed by May and the receiver's ability

777
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: to make something big happen in Spurts, you know what

778
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Like they just needed someone to make big

779
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: plays in Kashan Boody and Stefan Diggs and May in

780
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: Spurts made enough of them to get out of there

781
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: in just an ugly game there in the cold rain

782
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: and the snow.

783
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're establishing a bit of a theme

784
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: with the Patriots postseason journey because that was kind of

785
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 4: the story of the Charger game as well, is the

786
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 4: throw to Hunter Henry to get the touchdown to essentially

787
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: seal that victory. And we got that three or four

788
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: times today, which was the throw to Booty that you

789
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 4: just heard that we just played there. But it was

790
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 4: also an earlier throw to Booty on third down where

791
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 4: he forces it in a tight window for a game

792
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 4: of seventeen or eighteen, that sets up the tight window

793
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 4: throw to Stefan Diggs in the end zone for a touchdown.

794
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: And yes, May is not lighting up the stat sheet.

795
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: He finishes with one hundred and seventy nine yards passing

796
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 4: sixteen to twenty seven. But with those three touchdowns, you

797
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 4: don't have to when you get short fields because your

798
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: defense is playing better than it has all year. It's

799
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: very opportunistic and outside of your own stripsack issues against

800
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 4: a couple of good pass rushes who are totally taking

801
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 4: the advantage of a rookie at left tackle and Will Campbell,

802
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 4: you're not committing, you know, egregious turnovers that are costing

803
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 4: you the game, and you're capitalizing on the most of

804
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 4: the opportunities that you're getting, and that's what's gotten them

805
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: now to the AFC Championship game. The question is, well

806
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 4: that formula stand the test of another week. We'll find out,

807
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 4: But through two games hasn't been stellar, but he's been

808
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 4: good when he's needed to be good, and that's what's

809
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 4: mattered most.

810
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to evaluate because look, he fumbled the

811
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: ball four times.

812
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: Drake made today and lost it twice.

813
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: I think two were really on him and two you know,

814
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: the pressure's pretty quick there from the blind side. The

815
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: reason I kind of started with that play was Ultimately,

816
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: this game was insane. First of all, I mean, there

817
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 2: are eight turnovers in the game, and they all happened.

818
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 2: You know, I think in the first three quarters, in

819
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: those five turnovers, how many points do you think the

820
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 2: Patriots scored off those off the how much the offense

821
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: scored off the turnovers.

822
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 9: I believe it was zero points zero.

823
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 2: They got to pick six, but an offense, they didn't

824
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: do anything with any of them. The three touchdowns that

825
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: they got were actually like full field normal drives where

826
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: they just suddenly popped up for like a sixty five

827
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: seventy year old drive, which against his Texans defense, you'll take. Ultimately,

828
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: I think what people are going to remember more from

829
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: this game is what happened on the other side of

830
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: the ball with CJ.

831
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 9: Stroud.

832
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, just just say a cataclysm of errors where you

833
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: wonder about the early you know, we've had every single

834
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 5: quarterback I feel like in the playoffs injure their hand

835
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 5: on a follow through at some point. It happens early

836
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 5: for CJ Stroud. There was the wintry mix, there was

837
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 5: the notable absence of Nico Collins coming into the game

838
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 5: out with the brain injury, and then they lose Dalton Schultz,

839
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 5: who was apparently the entire plane was constructed game plan

840
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 5: wise out of Dalton Schultz, and combined with the worst

841
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 5: CJ Stroud game since last week's worst c J Stroud game,

842
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 5: it all led to this just kind of a waste

843
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 5: of a great defensive performance by the Houston Texans because

844
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 5: you talk about all three of those touchdown passes, if

845
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken, other than the Kaishawn Booty one hander,

846
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 5: because that was the only place anybody was going to

847
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 5: get a hand on the ball. The Texans got hands

848
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 5: on both of those touchdown passes. Bullet got a full

849
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 5: palm on the ball that was caught by Pop Douglas,

850
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 5: where he makes a great adjustment late to catch that

851
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: ball that was deflected, not like a full deflection, but

852
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 5: enough that we bothered some people. So he goes into

853
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 5: the end zone there and you could see Stefan Diggs's

854
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 5: fingers impressing on the football because he's able to hold

855
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 5: on to that touchdown pass where that was the level

856
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 5: of difficulty that was required for the Patriots to score

857
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 5: points today. And then you know Hunter and Anderson. I

858
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 5: get like the frustrations with Will Campbell and the Patriots front.

859
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 5: They're getting everybody, but they're doing up everybody at this point.

860
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 5: And that's gonna happen with Drake May. He's gonna have

861
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 5: deep drops and look down the field and try to

862
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 5: make plays. Maybe not the team that you want to

863
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 5: do that against, but they kind of checked that.

864
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: Down late in the second right, they started just getting

865
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: the ball out of his hands on some of the

866
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: third and longs. I hear what you're saying. But here's

867
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: just a little stat from next Gen stats. Will Anderson

868
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: and a Dafeoe are the only two players in the

869
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 2: history of the postseason to get three sacks and two

870
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 2: forced fumbles in the same game. And they do have,

871
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: uh a commonality, which is a you know this, Campbell

872
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: and May are the two kind of problem And look, mate,

873
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: there might be a little bit of like a we

874
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: might be on hand size in the cold weather watch

875
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 2: a little bit with Drake May.

876
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: You're rolling your eyes.

877
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you get Bobbin out there or maybe Wimby, Yeah,

878
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 5: and have them hold the ball with giant hands and

879
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: have de Neil Hunters sweat like it's not necessarily gonna go.

880
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: No, it's if you were gonna get on the hand

881
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 2: side stuff. Maybe maybe it's when he fumbles it rushing

882
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: earlier in the game that that was.

883
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 9: You know, there was a they were playing in a

884
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 9: slushy mo.

885
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 2: Either way it was it was tough to make plays

886
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: there on offense. Certainly, you mentioned that Douglas fourth down play.

887
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: Let's actually listen to that because I think that was

888
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: a big early moment where Josh McDaniels and Mike Freebele

889
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: decide to go for it on fourth down. Instead instead

890
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: of just you know, quote unquote taking the points against

891
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: a great defense, they decided to go for it on

892
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: fourth down.

893
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 14: To what to receivers Jovin White, including Douglas. He's looking

894
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 14: that way. He's throwing Douglas next catch the touchdown.

895
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 8: I just say, no, buddy, on punf Douglas, I get

896
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 8: it great, So you get it in bad coverage he

897
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 8: comes to blitz. Think of cover with fourth and one.

898
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 9: Patiently your quarterback.

899
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 8: They pick here waits, Douglas clears the underneath coverage, and

900
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 8: then it's off to the racist. He's been nowhere this

901
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 8: last month. The buck doesn't just get you on the

902
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 8: court early.

903
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: Uh again.

904
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: Uh So, why do you gotta say he's been nowhere

905
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 2: this last month? I mean he's he's been in Foxborough

906
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: practicing with the Patriots, but.

907
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 9: You know he's he's like like taking a shot at

908
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 9: Foxboro the.

909
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: Fourth wide receiver.

910
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: I thought the game management like it wasn't perfect by

911
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: the Patriots, but I do think like the kind of

912
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: routine that that Josh McDaniels got in on a couple

913
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 2: different drives going for it there on fourth how they

914
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 2: handled kind of the end of half situation, different situations

915
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 2: compared to how Damiko Ryans and the Texans handled a

916
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: lot of their decision making and their ability to kind

917
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: of stay composed and timeouts and pre snap penalties things

918
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: like that that I think that was a difference. And

919
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking about how Mike Grabel said

920
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: going into the year, like the first thing we got

921
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: to do is find out how to not beat ourselves,

922
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: like let the other teams beat themselves. And I did

923
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 2: feel like at times on Sundays Shook that the Texans

924
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: were beating themselves.

925
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's an identify your strengths going into

926
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: the game and try to lean on that sort of

927
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 4: situation for both of these teams. And if you're the Patriots,

928
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 4: you're looking at that opportunity early and you're thinking, how

929
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 4: many times are we going to get down here and

930
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: really have a real shot at scoring a touchdown against

931
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 4: this defense? Probably not very often, even you know, we

932
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 4: talked about how they didn't cash in those turnovers for points.

933
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 4: That's kind of an example of what they expected. But

934
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 4: in that moment, early enough in the game, you feel

935
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: yourself having a little bit of strength forth and one,

936
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 4: We've got to get the right call, and you just

937
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 4: narrowly get it past Kaalen Bullock and ends up producing

938
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 4: a touch down. That's the risk that you take in

939
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 4: a playoff game and you hope that it pays off.

940
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 4: And it did for them there. But you're right, and

941
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 4: I thought it was most telling in the fourth quarter

942
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 4: not to speed ahead to that point. But there's like

943
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 4: four and a half minutes left in the game and

944
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 4: the Texans are down twelve points, and Demiko Ryans is

945
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 4: like I'm gonna punt because much like the Steeler game

946
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: proved itself to be, the Texans defense probably had a

947
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: better chance of scoring than the Texans offense did at

948
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 4: that point because he knew that was their strength, their defense,

949
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 4: and it's it is unfortunate because this is a defense that,

950
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,919
Speaker 4: had they gotten all the way to the Super Bowl,

951
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 4: had an opportunity to go to go down among some

952
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 4: of the best of this century. Like I'm thinking two thousands,

953
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 4: the two thousand Ravens, the two Buccaneers, the thirteen Seahawks,

954
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 4: the fifteen Broncos. That could have been this Texans defense.

955
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: But because the offense was so bad, none of it

956
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 4: ends up really being really mattering, ends up being a

957
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 4: footnote in the greater picture.

958
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: This is unfair, but I think if they were those defenses,

959
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: they would have been one of those defenses, you know

960
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, that's okay, you're talking about the

961
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: greatest defenses of all time. Yeah, that's an unfair The

962
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: bar was so fa had to be one of those defenses,

963
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: I think to go on this run. But I think

964
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: if they were one of those defenses, they would have

965
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: been one of those defense kind of you know, it's like, yeah,

966
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: the line from the if if you were the one

967
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: that invented face, just remembering those defenses, if you were

968
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 2: the one that wo had invented Facebook, you would have

969
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: invented Facebook. Like they still gave up, They still gave

970
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: up the three like touchdowns.

971
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

972
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 4: Yes, but also consider the flow of the game and

973
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 4: the fact that their offense was getting them nothing and

974
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 4: they were constantly on the field, Like time possession was

975
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 4: only five minute different about four and a half minute difference.

976
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 4: But if you when we watched this game in real time,

977
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 4: it felt like the Texans were constantly finding themselves trotting

978
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 4: back on the field tasked with doing the same thing

979
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: you just got off the field doing, which was stopping

980
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 4: a Patriots offense that had the potential to put points

981
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: on the board.

982
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: I totally agree with you. The bar was like insanely

983
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: unfairly high. And one of the big reasons the Patriots

984
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: won this game was fumble luck that when Daniel Hunter

985
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 2: stripsack Drake May near the goal line early in the game,

986
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: he didn't fall on it, like he was so close.

987
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: That could have been seven points. When Will Anderson had

988
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: a strip sack in the third quarter. He didn't fall

989
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: on it, and that's just that's more luck than anything.

990
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: And so maybe that's a fair point that it's complimentary,

991
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: but it's not like they were on the field playwise

992
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 2: that much. Actually, the Texans had more plays. The Texans

993
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 2: made it to the red zone four times. The Patriots

994
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 2: only did it once. The problem was, as you mentioned, Shook,

995
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 2: that when they hit plays like they kind of hit

996
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: him in a row and they hit big plays. We

997
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: actually have like a shot of you know, Kayshun Booty

998
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: dusted Derek Stingley Junior. You know, I wouldn't say he

999
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: dusted him for this touchdown, but his very first touchdown

1000
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: for Drake May in his entire career was from basically

1001
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: the same spot on the field, little in front of

1002
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: the forty and he beats Derek Stingley clean and he

1003
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 2: scores a touchdown there. Kamari Lassiter got beat off the

1004
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. They didn't hit that shot to Kyle Williams,

1005
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 2: I mean Kyle Williams in this game, but Stingly had

1006
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: another pass interference penalty. It's the bar was like so

1007
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: unfairly high that they just had to like shut them

1008
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: down but they didn't force field goals is kind of

1009
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at, like that they needed to force

1010
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 2: field goals and not give up touchdowns.

1011
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 9: Yeah, and they got got.

1012
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 5: You know, good defenses can get got, especially when they're

1013
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 5: put in disadvantageous situations where there's the accumulation of dealing

1014
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 5: with what they were having to watch, the amount of

1015
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: times they were having to run immediately back on the field.

1016
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 5: Great plays by Drake May and this Patriots team. I

1017
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 5: think it's a little more difficult now to have because

1018
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 5: we talk about those defenses of old. I think that

1019
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 5: the game has changed to a capacity we're probably never

1020
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 5: going to see that level of defense and as well

1021
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 5: as keeping teams. We talk two thousand Ravens going through

1022
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 5: that playoff runhe I don't think anybody got twenty points.

1023
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 9: I don't know that we're getting there.

1024
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: Again, that's fair, and the Patriots defense did score in

1025
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: this game. As we mentioned earlier. Let's actually listen to

1026
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: the pick six by Marcus. I think this was the

1027
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: biggest play in the game because, you know, to bring

1028
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: it back to this point that the Texans are winning

1029
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: at this point, you know, CJ. Stroud did put together

1030
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 2: a pretty good touchdown drive to go up ten to seven.

1031
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: So they had scored ten points unanswered. They had, they

1032
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: really had. Drake May looking rattled early in this game.

1033
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: But they get the ball back the Texans too, and

1034
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: that is time for the tech the Patriots to score.

1035
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 15: CJ scrubb in.

1036
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 14: A tight formation two by two, so he well baptist

1037
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 14: chuck playfake whould like is an nearside receiver.

1038
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: Held out and scrub throws it up in the air finascepted.

1039
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones ride twenty fifteen to ten.

1040
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 6: Jones just tackled by Hundredson takes him to the pummel

1041
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 6: one chuck shot up, takes a head tracks, look at it.

1042
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: It's nuts again, look on it nuts, I do come

1043
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: love it.

1044
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 8: Prush her off the edge contact and the ball goes

1045
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 8: pumped up right in here and finally we get it

1046
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 8: off the deflection. There's been three times in the first

1047
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 8: quarter balls have gone up deflected and all the crowd.

1048
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: Joe picks it up and rept his history.

1049
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 2: Does the burn old decision by Stroud one of four

1050
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: for first half interceptions, you know one of them.

1051
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: The throw is a little high. Who was that off

1052
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: of Higgins?

1053
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 9: Yeah? No, it was Hutchinson.

1054
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 2: Hutchinson like that one was kind of you know a

1055
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 2: little on both of them. The others were more about

1056
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 2: the decisions rather than the execution. But it didn't seem

1057
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: like he had a lot of open receivers in this game.

1058
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: I play like that though, and you got to you

1059
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 2: gotta find a way to dirt it or just take

1060
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 2: the sack.

1061
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, But it's also a microcosm of the Texans twenty

1062
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 5: twenty five season on offense where the operation was weird.

1063
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 5: You have you had Bryant in because Schultz had already

1064
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 5: gotten hurt at this point, He's coming across in motion.

1065
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 9: The tackle steps back, trips him, so he goes down.

1066
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: That there was Stiln Williams kind of pushed it. He

1067
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: gets a little bit of an assist.

1068
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: On that play.

1069
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 5: Yet, but there were just so many plays in this

1070
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 5: Texan season where the balls being snapped and bounce passes

1071
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 5: to CJ. Stroud, where their spin move handoffs to the

1072
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 5: wrong person, the defensive toe guys getting weird touchdown opportunities

1073
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 5: were This was something that is happening all season for

1074
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 5: the Texans, and the Patriots were able to take it.

1075
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 2: What he marks ran for seventeen yards on fourteen carries.

1076
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: They also had the Texans classic, an illegal formation inside

1077
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: the five yard line that took a touchdown off the

1078
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: board on I think the first drive of the game,

1079
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: like there were you.

1080
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 9: Have a defensive tackle at fullback.

1081
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 2: So so it was And you mentioned the injuries to

1082
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: Schultz and Nico. Don't forget Trent Brown, who's been so

1083
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: important for them, was inactive for this game. He got

1084
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 2: hurt last week. I was a little bit surprised he

1085
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: was inactive. And then Titus Howard, who was helping to

1086
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: replace him. I mean, he's a starter, but they moved

1087
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: the whole line around. He gets hurt in this game too,

1088
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: so they're down a couple offensive lines, so there was

1089
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: a lot going against him. Let's actually listen to Demico

1090
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: Ryans asking or asked after the game about, you know,

1091
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 2: backing his quarterback that the man that he entered Houston

1092
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: with no c J is our guy.

1093
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 9: I believe that.

1094
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 7: He could come back out in the second half and

1095
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 7: flip it. I believe that he could play better, and

1096
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 7: he did that in the second half. He did play better.

1097
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 7: We had some positive drives there in the second half.

1098
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 7: Is I believe that he would do that, and he

1099
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 7: did that.

1100
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 1: H Let's also listen to CJ. Stroud after the game

1101
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: after one of his if not most most difficult nights

1102
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: as a pro.

1103
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 13: I'm a pretty self confident person. I think, you know,

1104
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 13: when they started to pile up, I try my best

1105
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 13: to you know, stay you know, locked in in the

1106
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 13: spirit and you know, realizing I you know, I just

1107
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 13: got to be there for my teammates and they encouraged

1108
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 13: me a lot through it. So I'm really appreciative of

1109
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 13: this team and you know, them doing that because they

1110
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 13: don't have to. But yeah, it was it was, you know,

1111
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 13: not not easy and something that I'm learned from and

1112
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 13: you know, you know, just grateful what my teammates are

1113
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 13: picking me up.

1114
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm always a CJ. Stroud believer. He's gonna have to

1115
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: wear this.

1116
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: This offseason shook kind of where are you at with

1117
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: with Stroud after this third season and especially like how

1118
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: it ended these last two weeks.

1119
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you have to look at his career

1120
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 4: in totality from this point because of how good he

1121
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 4: was as a rookie, and you have to think what

1122
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 4: changed last year. They had a terrible offensive line, he

1123
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 4: had over fifty sacks taken, and that was obviously a

1124
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 4: need for them. Going to the offseason, they felt like

1125
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 4: they had improved it and it showed in the sack numbers.

1126
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 4: They cut that in half. But Stroud was still a

1127
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 4: little inconsistent when it came to just delivering. And we

1128
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,760
Speaker 4: saw in some games like the late season game against

1129
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 4: the Chargers, where they were good for the big play,

1130
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 4: like if he had time to throw, he'd find a

1131
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 4: guy downfield and you know, produce explosives, and they did

1132
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 4: that a lot down the second half of the season

1133
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: once Stroud came back to replace Davis Mills. But ultimately,

1134
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 4: once you lose a couple of guys in a playoff game,

1135
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: you see the same offensive line regress back to where

1136
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 4: it was last year. And he has been under pressure

1137
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 4: for so long now that I feel like they've kind

1138
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 4: of broken him a little bit mentally, and he needs

1139
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 4: an offseason to kind of reset. He needs to be

1140
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 4: told that I can trust this often of line and

1141
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 4: I don't have to go be the hero and make

1142
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 4: the superhero play that results in saw all the turnovers

1143
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 4: we saw against Pittsburgh, when we saw against New England today,

1144
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 4: So I think that's a big part of it too.

1145
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 4: But also I'm a little concerned about his accuracy over

1146
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 4: the long term, like to the point where Akman's like

1147
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 4: his hands got to be hurt or something. Because even

1148
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 4: on the touchdown pass he throws to Christian Kirk in

1149
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 4: this game, it's on the wrong shoulder, like he was

1150
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 4: missing placement all game, and he'd been doing that for

1151
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, against Pittsburgh as well. He

1152
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 4: had some bigger throws in that game. But it makes

1153
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 4: me think that is your greatest attribute is your accuracy.

1154
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 4: That's what made you special coming out of Ohio State.

1155
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 4: That's what made you special as a rookie. If that's gone,

1156
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 4: you got bigger problems at hand. And unfortunately the season

1157
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 4: ends in this fashion and now all he's going to

1158
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 4: have to try to tune out for the entire offseason

1159
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 4: is is he the future the Texans need to look

1160
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 4: somewhere else when maybe he just needs an offseason to reset.

1161
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, it's not nearly as encouraging as it was

1162
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 4: two years ago, and I understand why people would question

1163
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 4: his outlook now.

1164
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: Look I don't I'm shocked that Texans fans are jumping off.

1165
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I shouldn't be shocked every fan

1166
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 2: jumps off the quarter back when they struggle big time.

1167
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 9: There were't a lot of people calling for Mitch Rubisky.

1168
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: Yesterday, right, CJ go is twenty for forty seven in

1169
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 2: this game. The context of what happened, especially last year,

1170
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: is important, and certainly this year it hasn't been perfect either,

1171
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: but he's also just become an erratic quarterback in a

1172
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: way that like I believed he was like real deal truth,

1173
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: and I still think he can because I one thing

1174
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: I'll always believe if you show that level at the

1175
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: NFL level, you can do it, like.

1176
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: You can you can get back to that.

1177
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: But there have been a lot of times this season

1178
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: when the situation actually I think has been fine, like

1179
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: within a game, certainly within plays, and that he has

1180
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: done things that have been confounding. That he's just been

1181
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: more erratic on a play to play, drive to drive,

1182
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,879
Speaker 2: quarter to quarter, game to game basis where I'm I'm

1183
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 2: never quite sure like where it's coming, and sometimes he'll

1184
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 2: get in a rhythm and you'll be like, damn, that's

1185
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 2: one of the best thing is that's one of the

1186
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: best quarterbacks in the league because he does the hard

1187
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 2: stuff really well, but sometimes and I know the weather

1188
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: I think was a huge factor in this game. I

1189
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 2: think the Patriots defense has gotten way better as the

1190
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 2: season's gone on, and they were a huge factor in

1191
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: this game. But they need to go back to the

1192
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: drawing board because I don't think it's I don't think

1193
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: you can just put it all on everything around him.

1194
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: There's some there's something that was going on this year.

1195
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 2: I think, even in good situations, that almost concerned me

1196
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: more than than what happened last year.

1197
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 14: I think.

1198
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: I think on balance it was a little more unsettling.

1199
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: But for the Texans, they're not They're not gonna question anything,

1200
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: like they're gonna pick up his fifth year option. He's

1201
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: he's contract extension eligible.

1202
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 2: What what it might do is it just might prevent

1203
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 2: them from giving him his monster contract now, which frankly

1204
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: I think is like that that's the breaks. It's a

1205
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 2: five you're a rookie contract. You don't have to get

1206
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 2: the contract after three years. But they might they might

1207
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 2: try to save some money on giving it to him now,

1208
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 2: Like that's not to decide right now, and.

1209
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 5: I think that'd be preposterous at this point, and I

1210
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 5: just like, I think the folks calling for Davis Mills

1211
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 5: in this game, we're a touch preposterous considering what CJ

1212
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 5: has been able to do.

1213
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 9: I think, like, looking at the evidence, what.

1214
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 2: Do you think it's preposterous? Though, I mean, he it's

1215
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: a five year rookie contract. As long as you pick

1216
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: up that fifth year option. I don't think it's preposterous

1217
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 2: to just be like, okay, go players, I think you're.

1218
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 9: To get cute with it.

1219
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 5: You can save the money and go ahead and sign

1220
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 5: him to a deal after after a bad playoff performance,

1221
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 5: right versus saying, oh, all right, well we're gonna we're

1222
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 5: gonna play hardball here. Take this all the way at

1223
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 5: the end. And you you look at a quarterback circumstance

1224
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 5: league wide and you're like, oh, well, this CJ. Stroud

1225
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 5: guy is pretty effective. And now you're you're a year

1226
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 5: behind the sticks and and everything. Where like we we saw,

1227
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 5: you know, Jerry do that with Dak. We've seen that

1228
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 5: with with a couple of quarterback contract situations where I

1229
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 5: want to just go ahead and get it done, especially

1230
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 5: in a situation where late in this game, you have

1231
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 5: Hutchinson on spa lane, and he's opened by four yards,

1232
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 5: there's nobody around CJ. Stroud, and he leaves the ball

1233
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 5: six yards short. Like I think you could take like

1234
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 5: this was especially bad. Yeah, And I think we can

1235
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 5: just jump this and trash it and not say that

1236
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 5: this is evidence to the long term viability of CJ.

1237
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 9: Stroud as a football player.

1238
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 4: I think if you're going to get that deal done, though,

1239
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: you have to do so with the intent to try

1240
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 4: to improve the situation around him, because we also need

1241
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 4: to consider the fact that they made Bobby Slow their

1242
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 4: scapegoat last year and changed offensive coordinators and didn't I mean,

1243
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 4: I guess they acknowledge that their offensive line was bad

1244
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 4: and they tried to improve it, but I don't think

1245
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 4: they got any better play call Jim mark Kley in

1246
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 4: his first year. Like that's not enough, right, So if

1247
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 4: you're going to do that, you got to marry it,

1248
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 4: and you got to also understand that I think he's

1249
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 4: dealing with some residual effects from what he went through

1250
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 4: last year, and you got to bring him back to

1251
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 4: like reset and get back to who he is if

1252
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 4: you're going to give him that contract. But you could

1253
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 4: buy low coming off of this game, which could help

1254
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 4: your franchise in the salary.

1255
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: Cap for the long term, but that's fair.

1256
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: But he does have two years left to be clear,

1257
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: so it's not like they're taking They would be taking

1258
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: it down to the wire. We'll probably be hitting on

1259
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: this during the offseason. The crazy thing is looking at

1260
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: the next gen stats right now, it's like they actually

1261
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 2: had a slightly higher success rate than the Patriots in

1262
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: this game.

1263
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 9: Now.

1264
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: Obviously Drake Mango's for way more yards for attempt because

1265
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: he hits. He hits some big ones, but they were

1266
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: both were going up against good defenses. I think kind

1267
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: of the takeaway is like, look, the Patriots also forced

1268
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: these these turnovers, they forced the field goals. And I

1269
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: do think Demiko is such a good coach in so

1270
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: many ways, such a great defensive coach. You got to

1271
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: have answers on how to help your offense, and you've

1272
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: got to have better answers in game management. Like they

1273
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 2: blew and this is on the entire operation, not necessarily

1274
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 2: just him. They blew two timeouts in the second half.

1275
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 2: They did that punt that you mentioned, which was the

1276
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 2: worst surrender punt I've ever seen.

1277
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: So someone went and checked you're making a face.

1278
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 5: No, I think show's right. I think the opportunities for

1279
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 5: will Anderson the top.

1280
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: No, No, it's true. It's true. It's just depressing, but

1281
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 3: it's true.

1282
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: It's fourth and eighteen, so the game's over like either way,

1283
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: but you're down twelve points with under four minutes to go.

1284
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 2: Someone looks for similar punts in a under five minutes

1285
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: to go in a playoff game down score two scores.

1286
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: They found one example actually, which I found hilarious. Ron

1287
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 2: Rivera punted with two minutes and six seconds left down

1288
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 2: twelve in the Super Bowl on fourth and twenty eight.

1289
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 2: He was just like, asker it, I'm getting out of here,

1290
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: like on his own six yard line or something like that.

1291
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: He was just like, fourth and twenty eight, I'm not bothering,

1292
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: which is basically what he did. And you know, of

1293
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: all the moments though, like Marx's fumble, I thought was

1294
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 2: maybe the biggest play in the game, yep, because Marx

1295
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: fumbles as they're potentially going in, you know, they're at

1296
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: that point they had cut it already to what five points,

1297
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 2: it's twenty one to to No, it's twenty one to

1298
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: thirteen at that point, and their kind of roll no

1299
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: offense and Marx fumbles in the you know, in the

1300
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: red zone. So uh, let's let's give some just quick

1301
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 2: shoutouts because I want to say goodbye to this Texans defense,

1302
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: and I just want to give some love to like

1303
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: Will Anderson and daneil Hunter and Henry Totoe who is

1304
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 2: awesome down the stretch this season, and Kamari Lassiter today

1305
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: with three pass breakups. He gave a one catch on

1306
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: seven targets.

1307
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 1: He was that dude.

1308
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 2: Jalen Petrie was really active in this game. Togy. I, Uh,

1309
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: you're right. I was being a little harsh on the

1310
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 2: Texans earlier. This This was a special defense.

1311
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: They deserved better.

1312
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

1313
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: Listen to one more Texans highlight. Why not Eric cut it?

1314
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: Let's get our money's worth.

1315
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 8: Texans flaffing at the mouth on defense.

1316
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 9: I'm this stirddam situation.

1317
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 12: May calls for the ball, here's the rush, Here it

1318
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 12: comes Will, the.

1319
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 8: Ball is out, The Texans have it hus these falls

1320
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 8: on it take away for the Texans.

1321
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: The terminator strikes again.

1322
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 3: I know it doesn't matter now, but in that moment,

1323
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: I was like, oh wait they might actually come back.

1324
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought they were. I thought they were

1325
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 2: coming back because that defense is just scary. That was

1326
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: Mark Vandermuir for the final time on Kilt. But yeah,

1327
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: on the other side, to give some that out there too,

1328
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: calebon Chase on four quarterback hits in this game, forced

1329
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 2: forced a turnover. You mentioned that Milton Williams and Christian Barmore,

1330
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: they were living in the backfield. There were a lot

1331
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: of tackles for lost in this game. Christian Gonzales fifteen targets.

1332
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: He was targeted fifteen times in this game, which is outrageous.

1333
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: Only gave up sixty seven yards on those fifteen targets

1334
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 2: eight catches, but they were for short. Carlton Davis who

1335
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 2: left with a brain injury, two interceptions, four passes defense,

1336
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 2: and then how about Zach Kerr not allow of Zach

1337
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: Kerr love the defensive play caller a good couple of

1338
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 2: weeks here, you know wherever Zach Kerr goes like everyone

1339
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: is just questioning the quarterbacks after the fact, you know, controversy.

1340
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 9: Oh wow, it's like the grim Reaper. I don't know.

1341
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 5: The Carlton Davis Dick game, by the way, those two

1342
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 5: dicks were low probability and he got both of them.

1343
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 2: It's sort of what I was getting at too, like

1344
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: like sometimes it is about making those plays if you

1345
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: think about the plays on the ball, like Stefan Diggs, Booty,

1346
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: Carlton Davis. They just they made the plays on the

1347
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 2: ball in a difficult situation. Stephan Diggs with a great quote.

1348
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: He was asked how did he catch that missile from

1349
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 2: Drake May and he said, with my hands.

1350
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 9: He also credited May for the past, but he's worked,

1351
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 9: He's worked on the hands a lot. It was.

1352
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: It was an incredible catch up first thoughts, just very quickly.

1353
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 10: UH.

1354
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: Patriots playing at Denver in the AFC Championship game next week.

1355
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: That's going to be the earlier game.

1356
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: It's the same schedule as this Sunday in terms of timing,

1357
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 2: so it's a three pm Eastern noon Best Coast Patriots

1358
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 2: at Broncos. Bringing back some bad memories of the Broncos

1359
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: taken down New England and the AFC Championship a couple

1360
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: times in the Tom Brady Peyton Manning era. I think

1361
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: they're zero and three in Denver all time, UH. In

1362
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 2: the playoffs and then the trilogy will be completed. I

1363
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: feel like no offense to the AFC. But it feels

1364
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 2: right that the Rams and the Seahawks are finishing the

1365
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 2: day because I think these have been the best two

1366
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 2: teams in the NFL all season. It almost didn't happen,

1367
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: but I think we've been leading here all season and

1368
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: they will face off for probably the right to be

1369
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: the favorites for whatever that's worth, in the Super Bowl

1370
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 2: in Santa Clara in a couple of weeks. I'll give

1371
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: you the floor shook of, just like just some quick thoughts.

1372
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: We'll obviously be talking about it during the week.

1373
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 4: Well, my takeaway was going to be shout out to

1374
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 4: the schedule makers, Mike North, everybody else in the NFL

1375
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 4: office the three four five part, because you got it right.

1376
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 4: You put the better game of the two in the

1377
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 4: later windows.

1378
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1379
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: They don't have a choice. They go back and forth

1380
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: every year, so it's like it'll be a.

1381
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: We're going to throw all that aside. Take.

1382
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, the take is I can't wait to see Ram

1383
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 4: Seahawks part three, just because if you look at the

1384
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,479
Speaker 4: way they played this season, I feel like the Rams

1385
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 4: stile the first one, the Seahawks stole the second one.

1386
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 4: We're going back to Seattle Place is going to be

1387
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 4: raucus in Matthew Stafford find a way to continue to

1388
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 4: sling in against this great defense that seems to be peaking.

1389
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 4: The Seahawks look like the best team in football. Are

1390
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 4: they going to complete their run of the Super Bowl

1391
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 4: or Stafford gonna play the foil?

1392
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 3: We'll find out.

1393
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of attention being paid understandably to Sam's

1394
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,040
Speaker 5: oblique where I think that will be a factory.

1395
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 9: I think he will need to play better.

1396
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 5: I don't think he'll actually need to play it didn't

1397
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 5: even really need to play against the forty nine ers.

1398
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 9: And you know, we'll see what Stitty has.

1399
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 5: What Stitty has in store for us, because it feels

1400
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 5: like the universe kind of robbed of an opportunity to

1401
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 5: see the high variance version of bo Nicks, who could

1402
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 5: absolutely beat this Patriots team. He could absolutely lose this

1403
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 5: Patriots team, but man, it will be fun to watch.

1404
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick Foles, you know, still enjoying that Super Bowl

1405
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: victory as should did send out a note for the

1406
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: Broncos and their fans that it's been an emotional twenty

1407
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 2: four hours. He feels for bow and the team, and

1408
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: he's sending prayers for a strong recovery. But a positive

1409
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 2: note going into the game versus the Patriots is that

1410
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 2: they struggle against backup quarterbacks in championship type games.

1411
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: Good job there, Nick Foles.

1412
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 9: He brings it all back to the old old Nick.

1413
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: I mean, why not just twist it in? Why not

1414
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 2: know it's a good job. And I look, I'm higher

1415
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 2: than Jared Stidham than consensus. I have always been for

1416
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: what it's worth. It was that one game against the

1417
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 2: Raiders like four years three years ago.

1418
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: Now that's good.

1419
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 9: Doesn't even care about Jaredson.

1420
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: Well, everyone thinks he's just a total joke.

1421
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 3: It feels like you're positioning yourself for I told you

1422
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 3: I was right. Situation now now, No, I.

1423
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: Think the Patriots should be favored by a little or

1424
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: whatever you know because of that. But I as backup

1425
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: quarterbacks go, I'm trusting Sean Payton. He gave this man

1426
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: two con tracks. He's a Day one signing. And uh,

1427
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 2: I'm going back to that preseason tape because I remember it, Schucky,

1428
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: I don't.

1429
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. We were we were

1430
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 1: hitting some preseason reached.

1431
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 3: The preseason quarterback of the year.

1432
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: We call them preseason MVP this year. Yeah, that's why

1433
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: you tune in in August. Patrick, I love it.

1434
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 9: I'm dialed up.

1435
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 5: Are something that Jared Stillham sitting on the throne wearing

1436
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 5: his Patriots jersey. Uh, picture that we'll be looking at

1437
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 5: all week. I'm gonna love it. I can't wait.

1438
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 4: You go watch that tape against the Niners. By the way,

1439
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 4: that's where the super Bowl is gonna be played. Maybe

1440
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 4: he'll be back there.

1441
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1442
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1443
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: And if you think bo Nix is a high variance quarterback,

1444
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: wait till you see Jared stead Of. That's a big

1445
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 2: arm athlete who's uh. I think he's gonna go down swinging.

1446
01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: It's either gonna go great or go tear.

1447
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 5: Quarterbacks available Auburn transfer quarterback?

1448
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 3: Why not just stack them all up?

1449
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 9: What's doing?

1450
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: Man? Uh?

1451
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: Not the game that we expected, But I feel somehow

1452
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 2: like the game that this version of the AFC in

1453
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: this just totally weird wide open season kind of deserve

1454
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: So the Patriots, the Broncos, the top two seeds.

1455
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, the committee got it right.

1456
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: Get to the end this year. We will be back,

1457
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: not on Monday night, back in the feed.

1458
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 2: Actually, I think the next thing you'll Hear from Us

1459
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 2: is a forties and free Agents episode where we go

1460
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 2: through all the AFC teams and what they need to

1461
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: do this offseason. I'm enjoying this exercise and kind of

1462
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: just just a quick look at the free agents, all

1463
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff, and then back in this studio

1464
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 2: with the CEEU next Tuesday crew Colleen Wolf and Jordan

1465
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: rod Ray. On Tuesday, Big Week Ahead Championship Week, coaches

1466
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: are getting hired. Shuck's gotta go right, Patrick's taking his

1467
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,520
Speaker 2: tie off. We're getting out of here.

1468
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: We're down to four teams, three games. See you Monday,