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Speaker 5: And we are way Hello and welcome to the Action

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Speaker 5: Network Podcast. I am your host, Brandon Anderson here with

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Speaker 5: Raheem Palmer, ready to wrap up Week thirteen of NFL

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Speaker 5: Sunday Week thirteen. Man, it's December. It is starting to

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Speaker 5: feel like some playoff football. Good day to be a

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Speaker 5: favorite favorites. We're nine and four against the spread today, unless,

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Speaker 5: of course, you're a favorite that we talked about on

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Speaker 5: our Friday podcast, Rahim. We talked about the Chargers, the Seahawks,

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Speaker 5: the Steelers. We were both on the underdogs and all

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Speaker 5: three I parlayed the money lines together sixteen to one.

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Speaker 2: We hit it.

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Speaker 5: It was a good day for me. I know that

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Speaker 5: you have those three dogs as well. You had a

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Speaker 5: pretty good week thirteen as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I had a really great week thirteen.

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Speaker 2: I really can't complain right now. We started off our

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Speaker 2: contest picks, we were four and o and we're pinning

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Speaker 2: the Patriots plus two and a half. We had the Dolphins,

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Speaker 2: we had the Chargers, we had the Washington Football team,

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Speaker 2: and we had the Steelers. All dogs go to Heaven

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Speaker 2: except the Dolphins. So I can't complain. And hopefully we

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Speaker 2: can keep this thing going because I just entered the

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Speaker 2: money in one of my pick them contests. So hopefully

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Speaker 2: we got twenty five games left and hopefully we can

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Speaker 2: catch all of them.

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Speaker 5: Is this will this be when our Patriots pick goes through?

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Speaker 5: Will this be your first five and oh week of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be my first five and oh week. I

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Speaker 2: just got to start getting those five and oh weeks

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Speaker 2: to close out the season strong and we can get

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, we will definitely come back to that

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Speaker 5: Patriots game. We're excited to talk about that one Monday

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Speaker 5: night game of the season, I think, so we'll preview

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Speaker 5: that one later. We'll get to a hot read at

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Speaker 5: the end. Before that, of course, we're going to run

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Speaker 5: through the action from this week, so as always, come

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Speaker 5: from bet MGM, the official OS provider of the Action

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Speaker 5: Network podcast, and we had a lot of favorites. A

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Speaker 5: lot of our favorites won today. Relatively comfortable. We're going

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Speaker 5: to run through those same three games that we talked

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Speaker 5: about on Friday because we knew that they were spots

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Speaker 5: the underdogs might come through, and they all did. So

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Speaker 5: I'll start out in Cincinnati. That was our upset in

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Speaker 5: the early afternoon. Well, we've got another upset we'll come

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Speaker 5: back to as well. But Chargers went to Cincinnati, went

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Speaker 3: Game of runs.

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Speaker 5: They get out twenty four to nothing, Begals all the

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Speaker 2: This was one of the strangest games I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: It's just because the Chargers came out on fire. We

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Speaker 5: but the Bengals bungled it up. You know, two can

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Speaker 5: They really felt like the game was slipping away from

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Speaker 5: in the first half, Joe Burrow hits Jamar Chase, possible

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Speaker 5: So just like that's a massive swing, and you're not

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Speaker 5: it look like a blowout. If you take away those

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Speaker 4: I think the Chargers deserve to win.

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Speaker 2: I mean they outperformed them in yards for play and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think the Chargers win this game.

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Speaker 5: Like if you play this out again, the Chargers are

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Speaker 5: I think the turnovers really pushed the margin of victory there,

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Speaker 5: So very first drive, Justin Herbert drops back long pass

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Speaker 5: pass for Justin Herbert. Hey, guess what Justin Herbert can

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Speaker 3: It up deep. Today they did a little bit more.

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Speaker 5: Herbert was from pro Fooble focus five of seven for

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Speaker 5: they should have done. Because the Bengals secondary is beatable.

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Speaker 5: This is what Herbert should do. So I'm a little optimistic.

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Speaker 5: You know, we've we've dumped on the play calling pretty often.

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Speaker 5: This was Herbert coming through, but they were giving them

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Speaker 5: do like that if both these teams are seven and

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Speaker 5: So how do you feel about either one of these

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Speaker 2: At this point, I feel like both of these teams

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Speaker 4: Like the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: They gave up forty one points to the Browns office

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Speaker 2: And then when you look at the Chargers, obviously they

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think these teams are really on par

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Speaker 5: The Niners are playing a really good football. Despite the

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Speaker 5: good spot for them. They still get the Texans, that's

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Speaker 5: three games are the division. Chargers could win that division

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Speaker 3: This puts them in a good spot.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna be eight and five next week once they

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs offense isn't doing a whole lot. I think

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Speaker 5: Live for that division, so I will keep an eye

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Speaker 5: on that. I definitely don't want to be betting too

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, without a doubt.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm not looking personally, I'm not looking at futures

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Speaker 5: So yeah, that's a fair point that it matters to you.

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Speaker 5: Like you said, Burrows Pinky, I think is a big

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Speaker 5: And as shouts to my guy Adrian Peterson, big touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Today for his Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 5: Longtime Seahawks Peterson one hundred and twenty six touchdown ties

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Speaker 3: The good job, ad. Let's go to Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 5: Another game that did not look that exciting but ended

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Speaker 5: finish though. Steelers twenty Ravens nineteen. Just like every Ravens

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Speaker 5: The way, Justin Tucker kicked with his off foot but

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is exactly what I thought was coming.

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Speaker 2: Look, Pittsburgh, they got blown out last week, they were

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Speaker 4: And you look at Stiller's offense. They were barely on

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Speaker 2: So so it's like the Ravens at one point, I

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Speaker 3: Let me give you a first half status.

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Speaker 5: That's six minutes and thirty seconds for Pittsburgh, twenty three

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Speaker 3: And yeah, then it just Baltimore didn't put it away.

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Speaker 2: It just like, look, if Baltimore is gonna be able

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Speaker 4: And you know, I was really impressed with Big Ben today.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was good, and you know, well then he

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Speaker 3: Pittsburgh money line.

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Speaker 5: Going for two in that spot? Did you like the

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Speaker 5: That'son always liked the movie.

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Speaker 2: That's a move Day has worked out successful successfully for Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: That's the reason why they were eight and three coming

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Speaker 2: for that move, you're basically saying you don't like the

439
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Speaker 2: Ravens at all. So I thought it was a good move,

440
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,479
Speaker 2: just Lamar's got to get that pass to them. But

441
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Speaker 2: I just think it's interesting, like when you look at

442
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Speaker 2: this Ravens offense. They failed to score twenty points in

443
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Speaker 2: six out of their last seven games. As you said before,

444
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 2: they had issues in the reson they had three drives

445
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Speaker 2: inside the pit fifteen it ended up with six combined points.

446
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,480
Speaker 4: So this offense is it's a struggle.

447
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Speaker 2: And you know, one of my friends today, he actually

448
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: wants to bet the Ravens to miss the playoffs. And

449
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 2: they got a big game coming up against the Browns

450
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 2: next week. We're coming off of buy and this team

451
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,119
Speaker 2: could be in a really bad spot. We could be

452
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Speaker 2: looking at them very similar to how we looked at

453
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Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans, y'all.

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Speaker 5: I think so I noticed coming into to this, So

455
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Speaker 5: Baltimore was the one seed obviously in four now coming

456
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 5: in today, they had a minus eight turnover differential, which

457
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Speaker 5: is third worst in the NFL.

458
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Speaker 3: As the one.

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Speaker 5: Seed in the AFC, they had allowed more touchdowns than

460
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Speaker 5: they scored touchdowns this year. That is not the profile

461
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Speaker 5: of a one seed. So is Baltimore a bad team? No,

462
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Speaker 5: But I think Baltimore might be an average or a

463
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Speaker 5: little above average team that's been masquerading as the one seed,

464
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Speaker 5: kind of like Tennessee. I think we think similar things

465
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Speaker 5: about the Titans. The Titans aren't bad either, but they're

466
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Speaker 5: probably not great. They were really never the one seed.

467
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Speaker 5: Maybe there isn't really a one seed. They're just as

468
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Speaker 5: somebody has to. You know, we'll get to the Monday

469
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Speaker 5: night game. I think that team becomes the winner, that

470
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 5: one becomes the one seed favorite. But yeah, it's a

471
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 5: rough spot for them again. Cleveland played Baltimore last week,

472
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 5: plays Baltimore next week. They're sitting at home on their couches, resting,

473
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 5: watching this game while Baltimore is doing this smash mouth

474
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh game, getting tired out, losing at the end here.

475
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 5: So it's a tough spot coming back to them next week.

476
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Speaker 5: We had mentioned too, Marlon Humphrey the Bay They're great

477
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,400
Speaker 5: cornerback out for the season with a shoulder injury. They're

478
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 5: already down Marcus Peters. Now they're down Marlon Humphrey. Like

479
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,760
Speaker 5: their third, fourth, and fifth guys have been questionable every

480
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Speaker 5: week for a while now. So I don't know if

481
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Speaker 5: I'm ready to put them out of the playoffs. I

482
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Speaker 5: think it's in play just because everything is so congested,

483
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Speaker 5: and I do think that this again, this is a

484
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Speaker 5: spot where they're gonna reu losing this game and not

485
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Speaker 5: getting that two point conversion. I really think it's gonna

486
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Speaker 5: have ripple effects on the whole playoff picture. We've got

487
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Speaker 5: five teams in the AFC with four losses. We got

488
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Speaker 5: four more with five losses. So that's nine teams within

489
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Speaker 5: one game of the one seed, twelve teams within two games.

490
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Speaker 5: The thirteen seed is Miami. They're on a five game

491
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 5: winning streak. Like the entire AFC other than those bottom

492
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 5: few teams, is all right there. So this is a

493
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Speaker 5: tough one. I do think ball for more. It is

494
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 5: in a little bit of trouble here.

495
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, without a doubt. It definitely is some trouble.

496
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 5: Well, another team that's in trouble and hope that God

497
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 5: a coach who's in trouble are Mike Zimmer and my

498
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 5: Minnesota Vikings, who as a team and coaching staff and

499
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Speaker 5: franchise collectively are our stink of the week.

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Speaker 3: Smell it, smell it smelly.

501
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 7: It's the smell.

502
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Speaker 2: It's quite pungent.

503
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Speaker 1: Dude, plug your nose.

504
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 4: It's stinks.

505
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Speaker 5: This is your stink of the week.

506
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Speaker 3: So you guys know what happened by now.

507
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 5: The Vikings went to Detroit Lions closed a seven point underdogs.

508
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 5: The Vikings do what they do. They control things early.

509
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 5: They're driving the ball first quarter. Good team all season,

510
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 5: but it's all only two field goals. Gotta change our

511
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 5: stat now. The Vikings have led by six or more

512
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 5: in every single game, no longer seven. But then they

513
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 5: let the lines back in the game. Minnesota is in

514
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 5: tit territory all game, but not closing the door, and

515
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 5: the Lions do what they do. Cousins leads a comeback late.

516
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 5: It looks like he's gonna get only his third win

517
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 5: ever in twenty nine tries trailing entering the fourth quarter,

518
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 5: but nope, ball goes back to the Lions and Detroit

519
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 5: goes how what was it? Seventy five yards in fourteen plays,

520
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 5: a minute fifty with no timeouts, Jared goff right down

521
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 5: the field, and a walkoff touchdown on the last play

522
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,959
Speaker 5: of the game. Longtime Vikings fans, this one gave me

523
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 5: shades of Josh McCown to Nate Pool.

524
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember that one.

525
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 5: Rahim two thousand and three, last day of the season,

526
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 5: the Vikings are playing the three and two Cardinals. All

527
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 5: we have to do is beat the three and two

528
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 5: Cardinals and we're in the playoffs. And Josh McCown throws

529
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 5: to Natepool on fourth and twenty five on the last

530
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 5: play of the game gets pushed out of bounds, which

531
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Speaker 5: is legal now but wasn't then, and so they called

532
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Speaker 5: it a touch down and that was the end of

533
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 5: the season. This kind of feels like the end of

534
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 5: the season for the Vikings, very eerily familiar to me.

535
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 5: My Vikings are the stink of the week. I got

536
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 5: more things to say about this team, but I gotta

537
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 5: give it over to you.

538
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: What'd you think of the Lions here?

539
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 2: The Vikings are just probably the most frustrating team in

540
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: the league to me, just because they consistently get into

541
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: the red zone, they consistently they're unable to score touchdowns,

542
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 2: and look, Mike Zammer has to go. I've been saying

543
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 2: it for weeks. It's just like, what do you do

544
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: with this team that's just so talented. They'd had a

545
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: six point lead in twelve games this season, but I

546
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 2: did think there was gonna be some issues coming into

547
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: this game.

548
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Speaker 4: Obviously they had some some injuries.

549
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: On defense, which kind of makes it tough, but this

550
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: is still an inexcusable loss. You can't lose a game

551
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: to this, to this Lion's team. If you're a playoff team,

552
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 2: you have all this talent. So I'm interested to seeing

553
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 2: what happens the rest of the season. If they're they're

554
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: probably going to clean house of NDY. I don't know

555
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 2: if you could fire Zimmer right now with the Pittsburgh

556
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: game debts.

557
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean that's the problem. The Vikings played Thursday,

558
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 5: so I don't know. Like in almost any other spot

559
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 5: for almost any other franchise, by like noon Monday, Zimmer

560
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 5: is getting his walking papers like I don't even know.

561
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 5: He makes it to the locker room after the game

562
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 5: for a lot of teams, and he should fire Mike Zimmer.

563
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: He's got to go.

564
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 5: This is the seventh game of the season for the

565
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 5: Vikings that ended on the final play of the game.

566
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 5: Seven games on a walkoff play. Mike Zimmer, what's he

567
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 5: known for his defense?

568
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: Right?

569
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Speaker 5: Minnesota has had eight drives this game where the defense

570
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 5: has been on the field facing either a tying or

571
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 5: game winning drive. Guess how many times Minnesota's defense has

572
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 5: gotten a stop out of eight, I'll give you a hint.

573
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 4: Zero.

574
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 5: No times the defense can't get off the field, they

575
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 5: can't get a stop. It's embarrassing. The offense in the

576
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 5: first half had five times inside Detrot's territory out of

577
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 5: their sixth drives, five possessions six points, including because it's

578
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins, the last one ending on a fourth down

579
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 5: intentional grounding. Kirk Cousins got an intentional grounding on.

580
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: A fourth down. Throw the ball to someone that can

581
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: catch it. That's all you have to do on fourth down.

582
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 4: You know what's more gregious than that.

583
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: When's the last time you've seen an NFL team win

584
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: a game going two for eleven on third dam.

585
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 5: Not just two for eleven. The Lions were zero for

586
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 5: nine with a minute and five seconds left. They converted.

587
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 5: They converted their last two third downs, or two of

588
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 5: their last three.

589
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: They were oh for everything before that. It's even the

590
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 3: worst thing you thought.

591
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: The Lions actually went forward inside of their own territory

592
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: to get the Vikings delete.

593
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 4: I've never seen like I'm all for aggression.

594
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: But there's certain times where you just got to cut

595
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 2: the night stock. That was probably the most egregious thing.

596
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: It felt like it was groundhoul game. We're just gonna

597
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: watch the Lions give away another game and somehow the

598
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 2: Vikings didn't win it.

599
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, they turn it over on their own twenty seven

600
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 5: who gifted the Vikings the lead, and then the Vikings

601
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 5: were like, no, no.

602
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: No, you're two dice, you have it back.

603
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 5: The Lions had scored twenty in a game since the

604
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 5: season opener. The Lions scored twenty in the second quarter

605
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 5: of this game. Remember last week we talked about how

606
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 5: the Vikings the last two minutes of the half are

607
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 5: averaging six points allowed per game for the season. So

608
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 5: Detroit's driving. It's near halftime. Minnesota miraculously get the stop.

609
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 5: The Lions settle for a field goal only three points.

610
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 5: The Vikings are gonna get the average down from six. No, no,

611
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 5: Minnesota's committed to this six point average. The Vikings go

612
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 5: a quick three and out get back to the Lions.

613
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 5: Detroit drives down again for a second field goal in

614
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 5: the final two minutes of the half, right back at

615
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 5: that six points average. This is just what the Vikings do.

616
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 5: Lions get their first win since December sixth, twenty twenty.

617
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 5: So what is that like three hundred and sixty three

618
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: four days ago. By the way, I think we got

619
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: a contest. The result Lions scored a touchdown on the

620
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 5: last play to go up to you no extra point.

621
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 5: What if the Lions well have fumbled and the Vikings

622
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 5: recover and go back all the way. I know it

623
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 5: sounds crazy, but it is the Lions. I think that

624
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 5: you got to replay the whole game, throw it out.

625
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: That's that's hilarious. I mean, the Lions probably would have

626
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: just kneeled but I do kind of kind of miss

627
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: the Lions might have fumbled and kneeled down. Yeah, I

628
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: kind of missed those old rules where you got a

629
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: chance to actually kick the extra point after it. Actually,

630
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: somebody posted the video the other day where Drew bled

631
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: so through a game when it touchdown in ninety four

632
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 2: and the Bills actually walked off the field and the

633
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll led Patriots actually just went for two.

634
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 4: They covered the spread. So that's great.

635
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: It actually is the rules right now, Like Detroit should

636
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 5: have had to line up and go for it. I'm

637
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 5: not actually angry that they didn't, because you're not gonna

638
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 5: fumble the kneel down. But I really don't know why

639
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 5: the rest can make them go for it. Good news

640
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 5: here though.

641
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: But they don't have to go for it anymore.

642
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: Like now, if it's a fawkof touchdown and it doesn't

643
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: decide the game.

644
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 4: You don't have to you don't have to kick the

645
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 4: extra point.

646
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 5: But it does though, because it's a two point game.

647
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 5: So the two point means that it still is up

648
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: in the air, because you could if Minnesota returns it

649
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 5: for two, then it goes to overtime.

650
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: So I think, oh, no, I guess, I guess with

651
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: the score. I mean, you're technically right, but I think

652
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: when it comes to this.

653
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 5: With the Vikings, I gotta get my wins where I can.

654
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 5: I'll take the technicalities. Good news everyone, your Minnesota Vikings

655
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 5: around primetime this week and next week you get two

656
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 5: Vikings games in a row. Come on in the water

657
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 5: is nice? Enjoy them with me. Let's hit the rest

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Speaker 5: of Sunday's action and wrap up Week thirteen. Andy Reid

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Speaker 5: goes to twenty and three lifetime off the bye week.

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Speaker 5: Chiefs win and his Sunday Night under twenty two to nine.

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Speaker 5: So not much offense from the Chiefs, but they did

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Speaker 5: shut down the Broncos. Teddy Bridgewater fails to cover as

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Speaker 5: a road dog of three or more for only the

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Speaker 5: second time in seventeen career starts. Buccaneers beat the Falcons

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Speaker 5: thirty to seventeen. Tampa controlled all the way. MVP favorite

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Speaker 5: Tom Brady had three hundred and sixty eight yards and

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Speaker 5: four touchdowns, five if you count the one to Atlanta

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Speaker 5: bonus stink of the week. Atlanta's Russell Gage dropped a

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Speaker 5: touchdown on the last play of the game that would

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Speaker 5: have covered for the Falcons and hit the over brutal

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Speaker 5: beat if you're on the other.

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Speaker 3: Side of that one.

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Speaker 5: Tyler Murray was back for the Cardinals, four touchdowns for him.

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Speaker 5: Arizona goes to ten and two with a thirty three

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Speaker 5: to twenty two win over the Bears. Andy Dalton was

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Speaker 5: extremely Andy Dalton fumbled two snaps, four interceptions, and Chicago

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Speaker 5: kept his fake close just because they were four to

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Speaker 5: four and third down three three in the red zone.

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Speaker 5: Arizona mostly in control all the way. Dolphins be the

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Speaker 5: Giants twenty nine in a boring under Neither team at

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Speaker 5: three hundred yards of offense, but Miami did get their

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Speaker 5: fifth win in a row. They're only the fourth team

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Speaker 5: in NFL history to improve from one to seven to

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Speaker 5: six and seven, and the Jets are next, so maybe

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Speaker 5: five hundred on tap. Speaking of the Jets, the Jets

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Speaker 5: and Eagles scored touchdowns on the first six possessions of

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Speaker 5: the game in the Gardner Minshew Zach Wilson showdown that

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Speaker 5: was promised from our forefathers. New York, however, failed to

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Speaker 5: score any of their extra points on all three touchdowns,

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Speaker 5: first even forty years to do that. They missed two

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Speaker 5: of them on kicks, then went for to and missed it,

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Speaker 5: then didn't score again in the last forty minutes and

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Speaker 5: the Eagles one big. Washington drove for a late field

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Speaker 5: goal winner over the Raiders seventeen to fifteen. Maybe a

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Speaker 5: little help from the rest on that final drive. There

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Speaker 5: Washington four wins in a row, six and six and

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Speaker 5: the sixty in the NFC. Now all five Washington games

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Speaker 5: left are in the division they actually control their destiny.

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Speaker 5: In the NFC East, the Rams finally had their get

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Speaker 5: right game against the Jaguars thirty seven seven easy win

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Speaker 5: and cover, though it did stay under and the Texans

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Speaker 5: got shut out thirty one to nothing, nine first downs

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Speaker 5: and only one hundred and forty one yards against the Colts,

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Speaker 5: first team since Carolina in two thousand and two to

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Speaker 5: lose two to thirty point shutouts in the same season.

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Speaker 2: Let's get back to the show.

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Speaker 5: All right, Monday Night. We're excited for this one. We've

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Speaker 5: been waiting for this one and we're excited to preview it.

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Speaker 5: New England currently the AFC one seed at this very

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Speaker 5: moment heads to Buffalo. The bills are two and a

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Speaker 5: half point favorites. The huge AFC East.

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Speaker 3: Battle is a huge battle at the top of the

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Speaker 3: AFC total is out.

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Speaker 5: Forty one point five. Rahim, you and I both took

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Speaker 5: this one on the look Ahead a week ago tonight.

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Speaker 3: I know you like New England. Then are you still

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Speaker 3: on New England?

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Speaker 2: Now? Yeah, I still like New England. I think this

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Speaker 2: spot really sets up really well for New England. Look,

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Speaker 2: there's some weather issues in this game, and we're looking

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Speaker 2: at so snow showers possible with some rain, and you're

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Speaker 2: talking about twenty five hour now power wins and that's

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Speaker 2: the sweet spot for when you see games start to

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Speaker 2: go under. So that's why we see this total get

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Speaker 2: steamed down from forty five to forty one.

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Speaker 4: But if that win doesn't come in, I think.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna actually you want to monitor to that, and

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Speaker 2: I think you want to look over because regardless of

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Speaker 2: the snow, regardless of the rain, it's the win that

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Speaker 2: decides these totals more than anything else.

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Speaker 4: Rain it actually kind of.

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Speaker 2: Helps the offenses a little bit. Same with the snow,

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Speaker 2: because the offensive player knows where they're going, the defensive

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Speaker 2: player doesn't. But it's the win that forces team to

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Speaker 2: not be able to throw the ball. As far as

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Speaker 2: the Patriots. Look, this Patriots team is rolling. Look, if

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Speaker 2: you've got some bad weather going on.

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Speaker 4: I think one of the.

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Speaker 2: Biggest things is that the Patriots actually can run the ball,

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Speaker 2: and that's not something that the Bells can do. Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick is gonna be able to put together a solid

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Speaker 2: game plan. The wingland for seventeen ton overs during the

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Speaker 2: sixteen wins Street and it's kind of tough to imagine

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Speaker 2: a scenario, especially in Randy Weather, where Josh Allen is

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Speaker 2: it gonna turn the ball over. He's had seven interception

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Speaker 2: over the last four games. I know you like the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: We'll ship thoughts on this game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with a lot of what you said.

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Speaker 5: I am a little worried about whether the Patriots will

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Speaker 5: be able to run the ball. The Bills defense has

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Speaker 5: been really good all season, especially their d line has

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Speaker 5: been great against the run. So it does feel like

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Speaker 5: it's gonna be tough to come by offense in this game.

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Speaker 5: It feels like a low scoring game even without the

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Speaker 5: weather factor. The Patriots can be run on, but the

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Speaker 5: Bills can't really run the ball, and their pass defense

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Speaker 5: has been awesome. We got by Dvay. The Patriots are

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Speaker 5: number two. The Bills are number three by defense dv Oway.

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Speaker 5: The Patriots are number two. The Bills are number one.

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Speaker 5: So this is that matchup that we've been waiting for.

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Speaker 5: And if it's an all defense matchup, you have to

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Speaker 5: feel good if you're on the Bill Belichick side. Like

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Speaker 5: the guy. The guy lives and breathes defense, So I

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Speaker 5: definitely like that. I like the Patriots pass rush here,

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Speaker 5: they've been at Football Outsiders their top five rated pass rush,

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Speaker 5: and I think the Bills line is beatable. And get

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Speaker 5: in on Josh Allen. Now he can't scramble quite as easily.

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Speaker 5: Now he's maybe under pressure, making that turnover that big play.

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Speaker 5: A question that I have here though. This is a

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Speaker 5: big game for Mac Jones. Obviously Mac has played in

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Speaker 5: a few big games in his life at Alabama. He's

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Speaker 5: played in national championships, He's been in this moment before.

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Speaker 5: But this is a tough road atmosphere, bad weather, potentially

809
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Speaker 5: playing a great defense, better than any defense he's played

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Speaker 5: in the NFL. We've talked a lot about Buffalo has

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Speaker 5: had a rough strength to schedule. They've played a lot

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Speaker 5: of easy teams, their high variants. New England really has

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Speaker 5: had the same thing. We have to be fair, they

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Speaker 5: haven't beaten anyone that great in the stretch either, and

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Speaker 5: they have a lot of the same issues. So do

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Speaker 5: you trust Mac Jones in any measurable way more than

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Speaker 5: you trust Josh Allen on the spot, because I think

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Speaker 5: that's the same question for Beost, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, without a doubt for me, Look, this guy

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Speaker 2: played Tom Brady to like a stalemate almost they became

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Speaker 2: they were within a field goal away from beating Brady

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Speaker 2: on his way back home.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not that worried about Matt Jones.

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Speaker 2: And then one of the big things that you have

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Speaker 2: to consider is that while the Bills are the league's

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Speaker 2: best defense by every metric, they're gonna take a hit

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Speaker 2: without quarterback tra Davius White, who's out for the season

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Speaker 2: with a touring ACL. According to the NFL Next Generation Steps,

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Speaker 2: White allow a fifty point eight completion percentage and a

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Speaker 2: fifty eight point nine percent passer rating to oppose it quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: and he didn't allow a touchdowns, So his loss is

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Speaker 2: a pretty big loss for his team. Look, I know

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Speaker 2: the plus two and a half is an ideal, and

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Speaker 2: there's some sharp money on the other side taking the

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Speaker 2: Bills as they look at this team as being underrated.

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Speaker 2: But to me.

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Speaker 4: I don't think this Bill's.

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Speaker 2: Team is the same team that they were last year. Look,

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Speaker 2: this is a team that struggled against the Jaguars. The

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Speaker 2: Bills are just three and four when facing teams outside

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Speaker 2: of the Dolphins, Jets, and Texans. Outside of the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: they don't have some great wins. So I'm not that concerned.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that's fair. We've talked about that

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Speaker 5: with the Bills a lot this year. However, Mac Jones.

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Speaker 5: When New England's played a team that was top ten

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00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 5: and DBA when they played three times this season, we

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00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 5: got the Cowboys, he had an interception, a bad one

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Speaker 5: that game, and a couple of sacks. Against the Bucks,

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Speaker 5: he had an interception in four sacks and had a

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Speaker 5: couple of really tough moments, even though he kept them

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Speaker 5: in the game by a couple rookie plays against the

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Speaker 5: Saints the other one get three interceptions basically two pick sixes,

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Speaker 5: one that was actually a touchdown and one that came

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Speaker 5: back to like the five. New England lost all three

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Speaker 5: of those games. They were in two of them, but

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Speaker 5: they went on three versus eight and one than their

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Speaker 5: other games. So I think if we're being fair you

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Speaker 5: have to say the same things about Mac Jones and

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Speaker 5: New England that we are about Buffalo, Like, really, we're

860
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Speaker 5: gonna learn a lot about both sides in this game

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Speaker 5: because for both of them, like this is the toughest

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Speaker 5: games that they're playing outside of their own practice against

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Speaker 5: their own defense most of the time. So I do

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Speaker 5: worry about Josh Allen last year against ne England, last

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Speaker 5: game that he played them, three hundred and twenty yards

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Speaker 5: and four touchdowns lit up the Patriots defense. But we

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Speaker 5: know the Patriots were not good last year. They were

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Speaker 5: not themselves. They had a lot of COVID guys out

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Speaker 5: for the season. In all the Josh Allen's games before

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Speaker 5: that is averaging one hundred and eighty three yards a game,

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Speaker 5: fifty percent completion percentage, with three touchdowns across five games

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Speaker 5: and six interceptions and nine sacks. He hasn't really run

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Speaker 5: on them. He's only one in three in those games.

874
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 5: And obviously, to be fair, Josh Allen has improved over

875
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 5: the years, so it's not really fair to focus on

876
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 5: old Josh Allen games and throw out the one good one.

877
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 5: I just think there's a lot of questions we answered

878
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 5: on both sides here you mentioned.

879
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 3: For Davis White.

880
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 5: Do you think that he's actually a big loss for

881
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 5: this specific game. I think he's a huge loss for Buffalo,

882
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 5: but New England doesn't really have a receiver that he

883
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 5: was gonna take away.

884
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 3: Anyways, do you think he's a big deal here?

885
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 2: I think anytime you lose a number one cornerback of

886
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: his stature, it's a big loss. Now, obviously he's not

887
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: going out there guard justin Jeffson, but this is a

888
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: Patriots offense that has been rolling. And the question I

889
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: have for you is how do you differentiate between having

890
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: recency biased and a team drastically improving?

891
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 4: And I think that's the thing that's.

892
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: Gonna show up here, Like how much weight do you

893
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: put on those last six games because they came against

894
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 2: inferior competition. Some of that is a rookie quarterback improving

895
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: as he's going on along in the year. When he

896
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: played the States, I think that was the second week

897
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: of the season, so it's like, there's only so much

898
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: you can expect.

899
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: And then even in the games against Tambay.

900
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 2: In Dallas, he went toe to toe with those teams,

901
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: like and those are two of the best teams in

902
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: the NFC. So if you have a rookie quarterback who

903
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: was just starting out, they really just had the training

904
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 2: wheels on, and he's going toe to toe.

905
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 4: I mean we're thirteen games in there.

906
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: I guess what I would say to that is, we

907
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: gotta be careful.

908
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 5: And I know you know this, but we have to

909
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 5: be careful to not reduce this to a quarterback had

910
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 5: to have game.

911
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: New England went toe to toe in those games.

912
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: That's true.

913
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 5: Bill Belatack went tell to tell the defense, went tell

914
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 5: to tell Mac Jones was along for the ride, Like.

915
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 7: No, but I gotta I gotta push back on that

916
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 7: because the reason why I got to push back on

917
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 7: that is because even after mac Jones do the interception

918
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 7: to pretty much ice game for Dallas.

919
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: He came right back on the next play like it's

920
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: not oh didn't play drop. The next play he went

921
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: to the same guy and do a touchdown. So it's

922
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: like he's kind of he's kind of there going toe

923
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: to toe like he's the quarterback, He's the most important

924
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: position on a few he's not.

925
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 4: This is not Trent Gilfer.

926
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: For the Raider for who's basically he's alone for the

927
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: rot you give us tip points.

928
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 4: They're not going to score. That's not happening here.

929
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree with that. I just think we

930
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: should be careful that.

931
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 5: Like it's easy to say, Okay, we got a rookie quarterback.

932
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 5: It's a quarterbacks the league. The Patriots struggled a little

933
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 5: bit early and now they're winning all the games. Therefore,

934
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 5: Mac Jones, what a guy he has become, Like Mac

935
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 5: Jones has been fine. He's been a nice like Kirk Cousins,

936
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 5: Jimmy Garoppolo levels sort of like fine quarterback. That's not

937
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 5: a disc Those are quality quarterbacks when the system's good,

938
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 5: when the blocking is there, when the defense is good.

939
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 5: That's fine. For a rookie to do that is a compliment.

940
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 5: He's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. He's it's

941
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 5: just different. To go to Buffalo against the league's top

942
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 5: defense so far and still do that is a bigger ass.

943
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 5: So we still't know. We don't know if he can

944
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 5: do it yet. A couple friends, we talked about these before.

945
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick loves the underdog spot, especially against a team

946
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 5: like Buffalo that loves to pass deep. You know, we

947
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 5: know how he sets up against that, Like he has

948
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 5: against the Chiefs, has against the Bucks teams like that.

949
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 5: Belichick is an underdog twenty nine fourteen and two against

950
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 5: the spread since two thousand and three, sixty seven percent

951
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 5: cover rate, twenty four and twenty one straight up, so

952
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 5: winning record as a dog, and also twenty one thirteen

953
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 5: and two against the spread versus the Bill's lifetime so

954
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 5: sixty two percent.

955
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 3: There.

956
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 5: We also know that short road dogs have been awesome

957
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 5: this year, fifty three and twenty two against the spread

958
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 5: for the season, seventy one percent cover rate. They were

959
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 5: two and one again today. I think the Chargers were

960
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 5: one of those, Washington was one of those. They both

961
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 5: got the win on the road Monday Night Division the

962
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 5: road dogs as short underdogs sixty three percent cover rate.

963
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: There are a lot of trends.

964
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 5: Here that lean the same way both of us, which

965
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 5: is toward the Patriots. I think for me, I'm still

966
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 5: on the Patriots, but I'm probably not gonna play the

967
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 5: money line here. I liked it a lot better at

968
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 5: three and a half past the key number. I still

969
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 5: liked the two and a half. I don't know if

970
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 5: I see enough value in the money line, and I

971
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 5: could see in what might be a low scoring game,

972
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 5: a one or two point went, So if I think

973
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 5: that's a real possibility, then I don't see much value

974
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 5: to do the money line too.

975
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 2: This game, being under three, kind of got to look

976
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 2: to the money line. I think the Patriots personally are

977
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: just the better team in this spot. A lot of

978
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 2: sharps on the other side who definitely disagree with me

979
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: when you look at the Patris they actually haven't faced

980
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: the top thirteen dbaway ranked team since they lost to

981
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 2: Dallas in mid October. I know this is a hospital

982
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: place to play, but I think the weather, the way

983
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's turned the ball over.

984
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 4: Look, they didn't really.

985
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: Impress me with their game against the Saints last week.

986
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: Typically I tend to upgrade teams coming off a spot

987
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 2: where they have extended rest off a Thursday. But to me,

988
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 2: that was a game where if the Saints had any

989
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: competent quarterback.

990
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 4: Play, they make it a game. So I'm running with

991
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 4: the Patriots here.

992
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm going with the plus two and a half, going

993
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: with the money line, I have the Patriots.

994
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 4: I'm in my contest at plus two and a half,

995
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 4: so I'm round with it.

996
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: Some sharps on the other side, but I think this

997
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: AFC East, it's the Patriots to win.

998
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 5: Well, I'm with you on the Patriots. I'm not quite

999
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 5: as confident as you are. I think we flipped a

1000
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 5: little bit from where we were a week ago. But

1001
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 5: I still do like New England here.

1002
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 3: We've been hot. We got all three of our underdogs that.

1003
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 5: We agreed on on Sunday's games, so maybe we'll finish

1004
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 5: it out with the fourth here. I know though, on

1005
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 5: the Favorites podcast, Simon and Chad both really like Buffalo

1006
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 5: on this one, but it does make me a little hesitant.

1007
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 5: But we're going to head to head here podcast a podcast.

1008
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 5: We're on the Patriots. Those guys are on the Bills.

1009
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 5: It should be a really good game. I'm excited to

1010
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 5: watch it, and I probably gonna keep Peyton and Eli

1011
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 5: on the back burn. I need to get like the

1012
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 5: real broadcast and get into the flow of the game

1013
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 5: on this one.

1014
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 2: I've actually never watched Peyton and Eli. Look, Peyton and

1015
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 2: Tom Brady are like Pepsi and Coke. You gotta choose

1016
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: one or you gotta choose the other. I'm a Brady guy.

1017
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,879
Speaker 2: Brady's the cooler quarterback. This is gonna be some guys.

1018
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: Who's gonna say, Peyton, Man, he's a better quarterback. But

1019
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: I've been saying it for years. Tom Brady is like

1020
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: Alonzo from training day. You give him eighteen months, he'll

1021
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 2: give you a career. He didn't necessarily have until Rady

1022
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: Moss came. He didn't necessarily have the Reggie Wayne's or

1023
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: the Marvin Harris's. He just got it done with whoever

1024
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: he got it done with. So I kind of keep

1025
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: the manding stream off. There's a Brady string one day,

1026
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: I rolle with.

1027
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 5: You, man, I can't even respond to that. I know

1028
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: which one's pepsi and which one's cup.

1029
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with Brady as Brady's cold man like,

1030
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: he's just.

1031
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 4: The de cream of the crop.

1032
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 3: Classic.

1033
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1034
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 3: Well, let's get you guys out of here with our

1035
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 3: Week fourteen Hot Red.

1036
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: Hot Boy on ice Rights ice Cream.

1037
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 5: We're gonna make some picks for next week's games. I'm

1038
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 5: gonna start out with the pick that I already made

1039
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 5: on the look Ahead a couple of days ago. I'm

1040
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 5: gonna stick with the forty nine ers on the road

1041
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 5: in Cincinnati plus one and a half now still underdogs

1042
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 5: right now.

1043
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be that way for long.

1044
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: Forty nine ers.

1045
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 5: I think will end up favorites by the time that

1046
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 5: this kicks off. This is just me saying that I

1047
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 5: still believe in the spot the Niners. We talked a

1048
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 5: lot about them on here. This is a bad spot

1049
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 5: for the Niners. They went on the road in Seattle

1050
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 5: in a division game, and they got a lot of

1051
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 5: bad bounces.

1052
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 3: But they look good. They're a really dominant looking team.

1053
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 5: They're just a better team than the Bengals right now,

1054
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 5: who did not look as good today. Joe Burrow's got

1055
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 5: that pinky injury. It looks like you shouldn't miss time.

1056
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 5: But you gotta think that maybe affects his accuracy. He's

1057
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 5: already not really a huge arms. The accuracy is his game.

1058
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 5: We know that road dogs have been good this season.

1059
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 5: Kyle Shanahan, I'm not great as a favorite. You don't

1060
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 5: want him there as an underdog fifty nine percent cover

1061
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 5: right against the spread. So I like the Niners here.

1062
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 5: I don't think he'll be an underdog win this one

1063
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 5: that kicks off. I'm gonna grab it while they are.

1064
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not mad at that. I like that I

1065
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: think my model makes this game closer to a pick them.

1066
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 4: Then we already spoke.

1067
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 2: About the losses that Cincinnati had Joe Burrow's bank up.

1068
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: We don't know how that's gonna impact him next week.

1069
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: They lost some guys on defense, So I agree with

1070
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: you on that. I'm gonna go with the under forty

1071
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 2: three and a half on this Browns Baltimore Ravens game.

1072
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 2: When you look at these two offenses, they're really struggling.

1073
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 2: The Ravens are just eighteenth for EPA to play. The

1074
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: Browns are just seventeenth EPA for play.

1075
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: What are the Browns like they do?

1076
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 2: They like to run the ball, so that means it's

1077
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: gonna be chewed up a lot of clock. We look

1078
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: at the Ravens, they haven't scored over twenty points in

1079
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: six of the last seven games. It's a tough divisional battle,

1080
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: Baltimore's third division game in a row. I just don't

1081
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: know if the offense is ready to get going. Cleveland's

1082
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: coming off of body should be a little bit healthier.

1083
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a tough divisional matchup under the toll.

1084
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a really interesting one. You know, you and

1085
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 5: I are on the Buckets Podcast, talking NBA. A lot

1086
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 5: in the NBA, there are a lot of what we

1087
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 5: call schedule losses where it's just it's a bad spot.

1088
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 5: You're coming off of back to back, or you know

1089
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 5: you traveled a lot and your opponent's waiting for you.

1090
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 5: This really feels like a schedule loss sort of spot

1091
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 5: for Baltimore here.

1092
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 3: It's just it's a tough spot.

1093
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 5: For them to travel to Cleveland after a Black and

1094
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 5: Blue Division game, after another division game.

1095
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: It's just a hard spot.

1096
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 5: So I'm not sure what to make of that game yet,

1097
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 5: but I do see a lot of kind of danger

1098
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 5: red flags up going for Baltimore here. I'm gonna go

1099
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 5: for my other hot read pick. I'm gonna go with

1100
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 5: the game that I know that you and I will

1101
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 5: talk more about on Friday when we when we review it.

1102
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna grab the Tampa Bay buck in me

1103
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 5: at home minus three against the Buffalo Bills.

1104
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: I think the Bucks are better. That's really it.

1105
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 5: I think the Bucks are better, and at minus three,

1106
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 5: I'm gonna grab it because I expect that line to

1107
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 5: possibly go up, certainly if the Patriots go to Buffalo.

1108
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: And get the win.

1109
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 5: That line is not gonna be three anymore, even if

1110
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 5: they don't, even if Buffalo gets a close win or something.

1111
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: I don't really know that.

1112
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 5: I see that line dropping below three in Tampa with

1113
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 5: Tom Brady, who knows how to play the Bills just

1114
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 5: a few times in his life. And if you know,

1115
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 5: Tampa is much better at home if it does stay close.

1116
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 5: Bruce arians in home toss up games where it's three

1117
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 5: points or less on the spread sixteen eight and two

1118
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 5: against the spread lifetime, so sixty seven percent. Tom Brady

1119
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 5: looked a lot better day. I looked very sharp on

1120
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 5: his throes. I do think we talked about Tredevius White.

1121
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 5: I'm not sure Buffalo misses him a lot against New England.

1122
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 5: Guarantee you they're gonna miss him against Mike Evans and

1123
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 5: Chris Godwin. He's a big loss for this game. I

1124
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 5: think there'll be a lot of points. I trust camp

1125
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 5: put up up the points more than I trust Buffalo too.

1126
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 5: Both secondaries a little banged up, and I know I

1127
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 5: want Tom Brady over Josh Allen. We'll talk more about

1128
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 5: this one, but there are a few minus threes out there.

1129
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna grab that before it moves past that because

1130
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 5: I think it's definitely gonna move up as the week

1131
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 5: goes on.

1132
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's already moving as we speak. There's some

1133
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: three and a halfs in the market. We're also seeing

1134
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: that total get seemed up as well. It's total open

1135
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: that at fifty three. There's fifty three and a half

1136
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: in the market. There's a there's a fifty two here

1137
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: and there. This spread goes up a little bit. I

1138
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: kind of may want to get involved on Buffalo, and

1139
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: I say that just because Tampa Bay's defense, I still

1140
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: don't necessarily trust them right now. They still have some

1141
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: guys banged up, and I think this could be a

1142
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: spot where Buffalo's offense can really get it rolling. This

1143
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 2: is the This is a tough matchup. I think it's

1144
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: priced pretty accurate.

1145
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I don't disagree with that, but I

1146
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 5: think that there's a possibility that the Patriots get a

1147
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 5: close way. This line kind of reopens at maybe four,

1148
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 5: four and a half. I think the public comes in

1149
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 5: on Tampa Tom Brady at home Super Bowl Champs.

1150
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: Maybe it gets to five, maybe six.

1151
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 4: I don't it's not going at four.

1152
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if it goes that farward.

1153
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 4: Of it does.

1154
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 5: I don't mind the chance to grab the middle on

1155
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 5: that one. I think that that's right where it could

1156
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 5: end up. I agree that by the end of the

1157
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 5: week maybe this gives value on Buffalo. But right now,

1158
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 5: while there's a three, I like that. I did look

1159
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 5: at the over as well. I don't play totals too often,

1160
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 5: but it does seem like a game that's gonna get

1161
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 5: some points. I do think we'll get a lot of

1162
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 5: money on the over. What's your other hot read before

1163
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 5: we get out of here?

1164
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 2: While the hot read is the same thing from Stromps,

1165
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: the stame play from strongs Soft Friday's.

1166
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 4: Look, this Jets defense is terrible.

1167
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 2: You saw it the day. Gardner Minshew got out there

1168
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: and he did whatever he wanted to do. Look he

1169
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 2: at twenty and twenty five forty two yards and two touchdowns.

1170
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: Dallas Galler went out there six persteps, one hundred five

1171
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 2: yards and two touches down. I noticed, Saints the offense

1172
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: has been struggling. What Trevor Simmons should be beat? I'm

1173
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: going over forty four in the States Jets game. Look,

1174
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: the Saints enhanced the disappointing games on defense. I see

1175
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: this game going over. The Saints are laying six. I

1176
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: don't know how you lay six with the Saints, but

1177
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: this total way too low. You cross these and you

1178
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 2: can get over it.

1179
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 4: The only thing that.

1180
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: Is going to kill this is possibly some weather. Do

1181
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 2: go over here.

1182
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I did not like this pick a

1183
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 5: lot on Friday because of Taysom Hill and Taysom Hill.

1184
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 5: I was worried it was gonna Taysom. All four Taysom

1185
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 5: starts in his career, maybe five starts have been forty

1186
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 5: five points their last you know, it's just a different

1187
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 5: sort of team with him, with them out back to

1188
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 5: Trevor Simeon, I like it a lot better now, So

1189
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 5: I think I think we you know, we locked into

1190
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 5: no Taysom and a very different looking Saints team. But yeah,

1191
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 5: Jets are very bad, the defense is very bad. We

1192
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 5: should be able to see some points on us.

1193
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 2: Also, I think one of the interesting things we did

1194
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 2: get this out on Friday was forty three. Now we've

1195
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 2: seen him reopen this back at forty four, so I

1196
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 2: don't know if it's going to get too hot. I

1197
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: think at some point you may see some buyback the

1198
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 2: other way. If people start to push this up. Obviously,

1199
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: the Jets and Eagles they play to shootout. I think

1200
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: we can see the same thing next week. Barring any weather,

1201
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 2: we are headed for the winner most in the East

1202
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: Coast of December. Christmas is coming, Santa Claus is coming

1203
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: to town. Hopefully he doesn't come to town too early.

1204
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 2: We don't have to worry about any reindeer and everything

1205
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: like that weather, so we go over well.

1206
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 3: Hopefully Santa Claus came early.

1207
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 5: For your listeners out there with the picks, Rahiem and

1208
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 5: I gave out on all these underdogs that we had

1209
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 5: today for him. Hopefully you get to five and oh

1210
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 5: with the Patriots on your win and cover tomorrow on

1211
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 5: your pick your first five and oh for your contest.

1212
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 5: And we will be back Friday for another look to

1213
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 5: the next weekend in week fourteen and the look ahead,

1214
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 5: this is what we do look ahead and hot read.

1215
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 5: We're giving you guys value. Last week we had forty

1216
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 5: nine ers and we have the Saints over now we're

1217
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 5: back backing them again and both lines already moving in

1218
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 5: the right direction, so you got to grab those while

1219
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 5: you can. That will wrap it up today at the

1220
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,640
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1221
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1222
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Speaker 3: See all of our picks.

1223
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 5: Doc and Ravon are back Wednesday with their six pack

1224
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 5: betting guide. They said, Raheem and Our back Friday for

1225
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 5: Raheem Palmer. I'm Brandon Anderson and this has been the

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