1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff give you, guys, the best independent. 6 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 3: Coverage that is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. But enough with that, 9 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Joining me now is somebody 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: who needs no introduction. Tucker Carlson, founder of the Tucker 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 2: Carlson Network. Tucker, it's great to see you, sir. 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining me. Oh thanks for having me, Sucker. 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: Thank you absolutely. 14 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: I owe my entire career to this man, and I 15 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: always say that to anybody who will listen. So I 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: appreciate you very much, and especially though about what you're 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: doing now. You've launched this new company, the Tucker Carlston Network. 18 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: You're free of cable news, I think for the first 19 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: time in decades. So first and foremost, how does it 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: feel and what do you want to try and accomplish 21 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 2: now that you are generally free of the system. 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: So I'm following your path. 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: I probably never would have done it if it hadn't 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: been done for me. So I'm grateful that I was 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: unexpectedly bounced from my last job, because you know, inertia 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 1: takes over and you get in your tunnel and you 27 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: just do your thing every day, and having a daily show, 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: as you know, is like it's so busy that you 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: don't you can't think about anything in larger terms. So 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: I'm sincerely glad that I was forced to make a change. 31 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: I have over the last year really come to only 32 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: read independent media just because I don't trust anything else. 33 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: So I'm proud to be in it. And what I 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: want to do is really simple. Create a news company 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: that can't be canceled. I mean, having been you know, 36 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: IM not whining about it, but you know, having been 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: silenced to couple of times several times, I don't want 38 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: that again. So you know, you need a business model 39 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: that is impervious to coordinated attacks against you, and that's. 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: The subscription model. 41 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: Because I'm happy to have advertisers, but you can't be 42 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: dependent on the whims of advertisers in a world where 43 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: you know, there are very well funded organizations designed to 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: bully advertisers into leaving you. So that's why we went 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: with a subscription model. Part subscription model, but mostly I 46 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: want to do what you do, and I think most 47 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: people in this world do cover the stories that are 48 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: getting no attention at all, that are often the most 49 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: important stories, certainly the most interesting stories. And be honest, 50 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: be really honest, as honest as you can possibly be. 51 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: And you can only do that when you're in a 52 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: certain headspace. Absolutely, but I think it's super important. 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:48,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. 54 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: I mean the day you were let go from Fox News, 55 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: I texted you. I said, I believe that this is 56 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: the best thing you've ever happen to you. And I 57 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: still believe it. I'm curious, though, there's a big debate 58 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: amongst media experts. They're like, well, box news is a 59 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: machine and all of this, but these don't seem to 60 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: really grapple with the decline of the medium itself. So 61 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: I'm curious, do you think independent media and even the 62 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: company that you are building, could it ever rival the 63 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: power of cable in terms of cultural cachet, in terms 64 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: of driving politics or do you think that they're still 65 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: going to retain a lot of the power that they 66 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: still have. 67 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: Oh No, I think they're done and for a couple 68 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: of reasons. One is business related. I don't think the 69 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: model works. It's too expensive. By the way, I don't 70 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: think NBC News will be here in ten years. I 71 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: bet my car on it. So there's that. I mean, 72 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: they're in declining inexorably. I actually have lasted a lot longer. 73 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: The age of television went on much longer than I 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: thought it would. I started doing it in nineteen ninety five. 75 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: I had grown up in it because my dad did it. 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: So I've seen it longitudinally for over fifty years, and 77 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: I'm just amazed at its durability. 78 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: But everything comes to an end, our. 79 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Lives included, and so yet, No, that's definitely going away. 80 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: But I also think not to be preachy. They devalued 81 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: their own currency by lying too much. I mean, you know, 82 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: people lie, they share the truth, they hold things. 83 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: I mean, that's just like part of the human condition. 84 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: But you can't be just like a flat out propaganda organization, 85 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: for like Pfizer, because it's just too obvious. And when 86 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: people figure out that that's what you are, they don't 87 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: trust you, and in a world with choices, they will 88 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: choose not to believe you, and then they will choose 89 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: not to watch you, and that's exact, and the number 90 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: show that that's happening. So the other thing I would 91 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: say is that it's not simply about convincing all three 92 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty million Americans of something the way our 93 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: society and all societies are structured. If you can convince 94 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, the top two percent of the population who 95 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: engage with this stuff daily, who are probably making most 96 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: of the decisions, you can have a massive effect. 97 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 3: On the whole country. 98 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: And so like Substack, for example, you know, I can't 99 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: believe how many substacks I subscribe to. I pay for 100 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: because I want to support it, but also I get 101 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, they've taken the place of what 102 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: small magazines were when I was a kid, or books 103 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: were when my father was a kid, you know, a 104 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: place for people to air their views in a longer 105 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: form and in a more honest way, like what is 106 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: going on in our society. You can actually learn a 107 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: lot from Subtec. You learn absolutely nothing from the cable 108 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: news channel. So just that it's a small company, it'll 109 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: probably never be a huge company, but it's had a 110 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: huge effect. Shows like yours that came completely out of nowhere, 111 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, with people who were not nationally famous, and 112 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: then you become nationally famous just because you're being honest. 113 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean, like, look at your own life. It kind 114 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: of tells the story. I don't know how old you 115 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: were when you started it, but your a cent and 116 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: the ascent of a number of people like you, not 117 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: just to cover politics, but who are you know, effectively 118 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: cultural commentations or comedians who are honest theovon You know 119 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: how many people have heard of Theovonn last year? 120 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 3: Maybe you know some, but. 121 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Theovonn becomes this phenomenon because he's honest. 122 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: I mean, so there's a massive space that's all reaction 123 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: against the lying, and I think it's like the bright 124 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: spot in America in twenty twenty three. 125 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: Oh, it's very kind of you to say. 126 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: I think one of the things that's true, what a 127 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: lot of people want to hear from you, I think, 128 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 2: is that you played the game at the highest level. 129 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: And so are all of our suspicions true about what's 130 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 2: being told to people in the anchor chair, about what 131 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: you can say, about what you can't say about commercial impact, 132 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: about the pressure in the cooker situation, as to what's 133 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 2: being controlled that people are seeing. 134 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: You know, I really should write a book on this, 135 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 1: if not that anyone would read it, but just to 136 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: sort of work out my own thoughts about it. 137 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: You know, again, when you're working in a. 138 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: Business that's that regimented, you know, the show every night 139 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: exactly the same time, it can be late. 140 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: You know, it's like your whole life. 141 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: And I wrote my script, So my whole life was 142 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: about writing my script, like that's kind of all I did. 143 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: So I was telling you that to admit that I 144 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: missed a lot. I personally, because this was not my 145 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: first show. It was like my eighth show that I'd 146 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: had over the course of my life. I made a 147 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: very clear deal with my employer out loud and just said, look, 148 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be told what to say or think. 149 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 3: Period. 150 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: It's not my company. If you don't like what I'm saying, 151 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: take me off the air. But I'm not going to 152 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: sort of say or not say something because that would 153 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: violate my conscience and I can't do that. And they agreed, 154 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: to their great credit, and then at the end they 155 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: exercised their option and pulled the plug, which is was 156 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: their prerogative. 157 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: And I wasn't really mad. 158 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: I was confused, but I wasn't mad about it, and 159 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm not mad now. 160 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: So I'm not really sure. 161 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: But I will say, looking back on it, the Ukraine 162 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: War and the VAS and to some extent January sixth, 163 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: on which I think I've been fundamentally vindicated. And I 164 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: had out of step views on all three things. But 165 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: two of them were absolutely you know, were red lines, 166 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: like you couldn't go there. And I'm not exactly sure why. 167 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think for different reasons. The VACS, because 168 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: obviously the pharma companies are the biggest aver tizer in media. 169 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: They don't advertise to sell their products. 170 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: You're not you know, people. 171 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: Aren't buying mostly you know, they can't buy them directly, 172 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: So why are they doing that. Well, they're doing that 173 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: not to sell the product, but to influence the coverage 174 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: of the product, and that's very effective. So I crossed 175 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: that line in a big way because I thought the 176 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: VACS was dangerous and it turns out it was. And 177 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: then on Ukraine, it's like every single person in the 178 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: top one percent for income and influence, like literally almost 179 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: every single person heard this weird frequency, this dog whistle 180 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: that commanded them to worships Lenski, and I'm not exactly 181 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: sure what that was. I looked at Zelenski and I'm like, 182 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: that guy's really bad. He wants to get my country 183 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: involved in a nuclear war. And you know, I don't 184 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: know him, so I'm not attacking him personally, but anyone 185 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: who wants my kids to risk death in a nuclear 186 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: war is my enemy. 187 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 3: It was just kind of that simple. 188 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: So I was like, this guy's evil to the extent 189 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: that he's acting against my children's interests. 190 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: And saying that was like, oh my gosh. 191 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: It was like a bomb going off, Like people couldn't 192 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: even deal with it. And I'm not quite sure what 193 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: that was, other than everybody in aspenin Huckett, Jackson and 194 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: Bethesda was like all in on this thing. And someday 195 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: historians will discover why. I really don't know, but but 196 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: that fact is true. 197 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 3: That's such an important point. 198 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: And this is another thing too, I've always respected the 199 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: most is you know, to a certain extent, I rejected 200 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: the system early on, but you came up in it, 201 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 2: and you also openly gave them a middle finger, even 202 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: while growing up next to them, living next to them, 203 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: for years. I've watched it with Ukraine, and I watch 204 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: it now with Israel. You know, I watched in particular 205 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 2: there was a lot of consternation around some comments you made, 206 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: I think by Ben Shapiro another where we were like, well, 207 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: I've never seen this level of care about Americans who 208 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: are dying of fentanol, which I think is a traditional 209 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: nationalist message, and yet I've watched the entire kind of 210 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 2: right wing ecosystem get embroiled and fundamentally, what is a 211 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 2: third world conflict? Now we can say support, you know, 212 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: not support, We can have criticisms et cetera for that, 213 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 2: but what explains this like literal allegiance to narrative on 214 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 2: Ukraine on Israel? Why is it that so many of 215 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: these people don't see to have the same level of 216 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: care for actual American citizens? 217 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: You know, I find it really distressing, And in both 218 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: of those conflicts, I approached it with a clean conscience 219 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: because I just don't have strong feelings one way the other, 220 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: and I'm not hostile. I've never hated Ukraine. I don't 221 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: have any feelings about Ukraine and Russia the same thing. 222 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: I've never been to either place, and I'm not invested emotionally, 223 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: so I could I could just look at it from 224 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: an American perspective. In the case of Israel and the 225 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: Arab world, I've spent a fair amount of time in both, 226 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: and I like both. And I felt terrible for the 227 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: people who were killed on October seventh. I still do 228 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: so didn't I had no weird motive. I was just like, 229 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: thinking about it from an American perspective, is this good 230 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: for us? 231 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: Or is it not? 232 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: And I was just amazed by the intolerance and the 233 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: willingness to immediately go to invective and character assassination. 234 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: And it's like what I said, you. 235 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: Know, first of all, if the people who live in 236 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: Goza are being moved out are so evil and dangerous 237 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: that they can't live in the region, why would you 238 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: want them to move into my country? I mean those 239 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: what are you saying they can't live there because it's 240 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 1: too scary to live next to them, But they can 241 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: live next to me. So I at that point, that's 242 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: I felt very hostile about that because it showed such 243 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: contempt for me and my family and my neighbors and 244 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: my country. It is my country. That's how I feel 245 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: about it. Anyway, it's all of our country. And so 246 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: I was like disgusted by that, and I said so, 247 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: and I don't know why that's weird. Why wouldn't I 248 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: be offended by that? And then it was immediately you know, 249 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: I'm a hater, a bigot or something like that. None 250 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: of that registered with me because you know, first of all, 251 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: I've been attacked for so long, but attacks that aren't true. 252 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: You know, if somebody said, you know, wow, you've gained 253 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: some weight this summer, I'd be like, oh, it would 254 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: hurt my feelings because it's true. 255 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 3: Someone's like someone's. 256 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: Like, oh, you're a hater, you hate You know, that's 257 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: not true. 258 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: So I don't really care. 259 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: But I did think it showed like the level of 260 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: not just corruption, which I knew, but of like emotional 261 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: instability and crazy. I mean, there are people and I 262 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: stop reading any of it, but there are people on 263 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: the right who have spent the last two months, every 264 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: single day focused on a conflict in a foreign country 265 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: as their own country becomes dangerously unstable, on the brink 266 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: of financial collapse, with tens of millions of people who 267 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: shouldn't be here in the country. We don't know their identities, 268 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: or the purpose of their being here, like stuff that 269 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: could destroy the country for real and make it impossible 270 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: for my kids to live here. They've said nothing about that, 271 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: and they're focused with laser intensity on foreign conflicts. And 272 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, at some point, I've got four kids. If 273 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: I'm so caught up in the problems of my neighbor's 274 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: children and completely ignoring my own children as they get 275 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: addicted to drugs and kill themselves, you know, I'm not 276 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: against helping my neighbor's kids, but clearly I don't love 277 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: my kids. I mean, that's that's you know, that's the 278 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: only logical conclusion. And they don't care about the country 279 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: at all, and that's, you know, that's. 280 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: Kind of their prerogative. 281 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: But I do because I have no choice because I'm 282 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: from here, my family's been here hundreds of years. I 283 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: plan to stay here. Like, I'm shocked by how little 284 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: they care about the country, and including the person you mentioned, 285 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: And I can't imagine how someone like that could get 286 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: an audience of people who claimed about care about America 287 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: because he doesn't obviously right. 288 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: Right, Well, I mean, Tucker, we've seen it too on 289 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: free speech. I mean, people who've built become multimillionaires, who've 290 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: you know, made entire careers, who've you know, literally became famous, 291 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 2: you know, on this very reason. I know you've spoken 292 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: about this previously, but it's very important to our audience 293 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 2: as well, is that, you know, standing up for free 294 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: speech rights of people do disagree with is is probably 295 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 2: the most important exercise, and we've seen some of that 296 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: come for American citizens on Pali Sine, how do you 297 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: work through this too, when we're both under such immense pressure, 298 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 2: even social pressure of like how could you support this? 299 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 2: You know, take maybe the context of the university presidents. 300 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: We've got billionaires like Bill Ackman, who's there. 301 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: I'm curious what you make of this. 302 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: My assessment is they're upset that they're not included as 303 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: marginalized within the DEI regime. They claim to be against 304 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: the DEI regime. But will you really keep going to 305 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 2: make sure that you know, all this racial hatred and 306 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: all this other has been enshrined and elite institutions will 307 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: be you know, once you get a win, are you 308 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 2: really going to keep going past that? What's your assessment 309 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: of this general moment on Palestinian you know, free speech 310 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: hypocrisy and more. 311 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: Well, we have free speech in this country, and it 312 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: applies to people we disagree with by definition period. I mean, 313 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: it's the first rate guaranteed that of course, it precedes 314 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: government is given to us by God, as the document says. 315 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: But it's the first right enumerated in our founding documents. 316 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: So it's the foundation of the country. And so you 317 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: can't give any any ground on that, like none, and 318 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: anyone who would give ground on that, and I would 319 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: include the governor of Florida, who I think is a 320 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: good governor and I like him personally, but signing a 321 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, signing a censorship bill and completely unacceptable. 322 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: And I don't care what your motives are. 323 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean it led this spring there was some black 324 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: nationalist group that was indicted by the Biden's Justice Department 325 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: for its views on Russia. And my first thought was, 326 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, that's not acceptable. Now, how much do I 327 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: have in common with the black nationalist group that I 328 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: guess probably hates people look like me. Actually, I probably 329 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: one hundred percent chance i'd like him if I had 330 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: dinner with them. There are really good guys. I mean, 331 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: I just sort of feel that. But but whatever, it 332 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: was irrelevant to me, you can't do that. You can't 333 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: try to put people in prison for expressing opinions the 334 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: government doesn't like or the ruling class doesn't like, or 335 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: any opinion, any opinion, any opinion must be protected, or 336 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: no opinions are protected. 337 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: So anybody who seeks to limit my. 338 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: Ability to say what I think, believe what I want 339 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: is treating me as a slave. As a slave, I mean, 340 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: not as a human being, and certainly not as a citizen. 341 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: That's just really clear. And I don't know why people 342 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: don't grasp this. And but you know, one sort of 343 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: parenthetical ironic note to see people who spent a career 344 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: mocking you know, the sensitive liberals on campus who are 345 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: on safe spaces and they're you know, feeling in. 346 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: Danger because opinions are violence. 347 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: Say that exact same thing, people feel unsafe what you know, No, no, 348 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, words are not violence. You have to tolerate 349 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: them in a free society, or it's not a free society. 350 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: As to the question of DEI, the whole thing is 351 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: Jim Crow. I mean, it's grotesque the idea that certain people, 352 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: on the basis of immutable characteristics, get certain privileges and 353 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: other people are hurt on the basis of their immutable characteristics. 354 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: Like that's totally incompatible with America. It's got to be 355 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: a colorblind meritocracy or it can't keep going because it's 356 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: a pluralistic society. There's no majority of anything that has, 357 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: you know, anything in common. So to keep the country together, 358 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: it has to be based on merit I mean, game 359 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: this out. And also, by the way, we're going to 360 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: get to violence really soon if this stuff continues. If 361 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: you tell people that this group or that group is 362 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: bad because they're in that group, because they look a 363 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: certain way, or because their parents look a certain way. 364 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: If you tell them that, over time, that group's going 365 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: to get hurt. And we don't need to guess about 366 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: this will actually happen in Europe not that long ago, 367 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: but it's happened throughout history. 368 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 3: So why are we tolerating this? 369 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: Been for a second and the reason, of course is 370 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: white guilt and self hatred. 371 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 3: Well whatever, get over it. 372 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: It's not about white people, it's not about any specific group. 373 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 3: It's about the country. 374 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: The country can't continue if we allow this to continue. 375 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 3: So I think. 376 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: Dei is you know, people, we don't like it because. 377 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: You're right, it hurts you or whatever. 378 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: Well, okay, but yeah, sure, but that's kind of not 379 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: the point. I wouldn't like it was aimed at Filipinos, 380 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: and I would be, as everybody is loud about it, 381 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: like why would I like that? 382 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 3: It's totally immoral. 383 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: It's the thing we said we hated Jim Crow and 384 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: the nurrembern glaws. 385 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 3: I mean, name it. 386 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: It's like it's the original sin of man attacking people 387 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: on the basis of things that they can't control they 388 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: were born with, Like you can't do that. 389 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: Period. 390 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: For years, people have been like, you know, Tucker is 391 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: a Trump Sicka fan, and I said, well, I've always 392 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: said I thought you were misunderstood because you would criticize 393 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: Trump for things that they do, but only for things 394 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: that they didn't want you to criticize him for. 395 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 3: You would praise him on. 396 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: That, but you would criticize him for things like economic policy, 397 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 2: for foreign policy, for things though that the liberal establishment 398 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 2: actually agreed with him on. I know you talked recently 399 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: about supporting Trump as a result of the mar A 400 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: Lago rate and more. I'm curious, you know, given that 401 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: his biggest is his biggest legislative accomplishment as president was 402 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: a Paul Ryan style Tax Cuts and Jobs Act bill. Yes, 403 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 2: what's your confidence that things will change economically in the 404 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: second term or do you have any confidence at all? 405 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 3: I mean, you're absolutely right. 406 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: I was offended by that, not on ideological grounds, because 407 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: I don't think that's what the country needed. And the 408 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: fact that the carried interest loophole remained in that legislation 409 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: enraged me then and it enrages me thinking about it now. 410 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that we should have different 411 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: tax rates for you know, work or money. I mean 412 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: I think, you know, if you invest, you pay the 413 00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: same tax rate as someone who goes to work every 414 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: day period. And I don't understand why we have, you know, 415 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: the richest people paying half the taxes. I think that's 416 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: like actually insane, and it will make your country volatile 417 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: over time. 418 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: It discourages work. How could it not. 419 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: They don't want you to smoke cigarettes, so they tax 420 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: cigarettes more than they tax say, eggs, and that, you know, 421 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: discourages people from smoking. Well, if you tax labor at 422 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: twice the rate of capital, what are you discouraging labor? 423 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 1: And I believe in labor. I believe in work. I 424 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: think it confers dignity. 425 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: I really mean that. It's not a talking point. 426 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: It's true for me, if I had a billion dollars, 427 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: I took it to work every day because I'm a 428 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: man and that's my identity, it's my purpose. 429 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: I want to contribute something. 430 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: So any society that discourages that is insane, and that 431 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: Bill continued to do that. So yeah, I'm mad about it, 432 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: and about a lot of other things. I mean, but 433 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: on the other hand, you're like, it's a choice, and 434 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: you got to go with the better one. I guess 435 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: in general, I kind of just want to stay out 436 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: of politics because it's it's not appealing to me on 437 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: any level. And also, honestly, I just really don't like 438 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: the people just personally. You know, Nicki Haley's like a 439 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: disgusting person in person, and I just don't want to 440 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: be around anyone like that ever in my life, because 441 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm fifty four and I just life's too short, and 442 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: I have all these wonderful people I love around me. 443 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 3: I want to be with them and my dogs. 444 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: So however that you know the Rada mar A Lago, 445 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: the Colorado Supreme Court decision yesterday, you know those are 446 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: kind of you know, that's too far, And so it's 447 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: not about defending Trump, the man who I actually liked personally, 448 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: can think he's hilarious and interesting. But even if I 449 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: hated him, I would still feel the same way that 450 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: you can't allow that. If you allow, say, someone to 451 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: be punished without being convicted of a crime. The Chloro 452 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 1: Supreme Court said yesterday that Trump has to be punished 453 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: for committing instructional He's never been convicted of insurrection. So 454 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: if you allow that, it's like I think Sagar and 455 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: Jetty is a you know, wife beater, so. 456 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: We're gonna put him in jail. 457 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: Well, actually, he's never even been charged with wife beating, 458 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: much less convicted. 459 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 3: How can we put him in jail. 460 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: Well, that's a precedent that can't stand. You can't have that. 461 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: And I would say, by the way, same for Joe 462 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: Biden if they tried to a to Biden and be like, 463 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: you can't do that because you'll destroy this essential thing 464 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: we have, which is a fair justice system. 465 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 3: But nobody else seems to care. But I care, you know, yeah, 466 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 3: you certainly do. I'm curious. 467 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: You know, you've always taken a lot of flak too, 468 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: again from the establishment here in Washington, mostly right around 469 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: your position on economics. You talked about the carried interest loophole. 470 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: I'm curious what you think of unions and Republican policy 471 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: towards unions, especially given that so many union voters are 472 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 2: now backing Trump not just for cultural reasons but also 473 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 2: for hope and a different type of economic message. How 474 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: do you think of Republicans should think about unions. 475 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I have so many of course, in a 476 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: union have been my whole adult life. My father was 477 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: in a union, you know, after SAG and I as 478 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: a kid worked in a union plant and a factory 479 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: and for three months, so you know, I've seen it 480 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: from a bunch of different angles, and I've worked in 481 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: union jobs in television. I mean, the idea of unions 482 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: is very appealing to me. You need a counterbalance to 483 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: corporate power. You know, there's the owner of the company 484 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: and then the people he employs whose labor makes him rich, 485 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: and they should have some power too. I completely agree 486 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: with that one hundred percent. Labor unions in the United 487 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: States have behaved so despicably, sold out their members so 488 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: completely on the issue of immigration. I mean, labor unions 489 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: were responsible historically for limits on immigration because more people 490 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: willing to work for less undermines the bargaining position of labor. Obviously, 491 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean that's not high math, okay, And so for 492 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: labor unions to be encouraging mass immigration, I'm trying not 493 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: to use vulgarity here, but screws over their own members 494 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: and betraying people you're responsible for is the greatest possible. 495 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 3: Sin, do you know what I mean? 496 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that is the worst thing you can 497 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: do as a human being, in my opinion, So I'm 498 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: very mad about that. I like the idea of labor 499 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: unions one hundred percent. Show me one that actually advocates 500 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: on behalf of its members and I'll send him money 501 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: because I love the idea of that. And labor has 502 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 1: no power, not just labor unions we say labor. We 503 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: all produce labor, and we don't have any power. All 504 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: power is concentrated in finance, not all power, but wildly 505 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: disproportionate percentage. And those who like you know, if you're 506 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: twenty three, you think, well, that's kind of how economics 507 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: works as in the world. 508 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. 509 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: No, no, It wasn't always this way at all. Farmers 510 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: had massive power. They feed the country and keep them 511 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 1: from starving. They had the Grange movement of the late 512 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: nineteenth early twentieth centuries. 513 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: I live next to a. 514 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: Grange building which is defunct because they farmers have no power. 515 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: Of course, now, I mean I could go on forever, 516 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: but the point is the idea of unions is not 517 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: only good, it's essential, and the people who run them 518 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: have really been disgraceful. And I would say that's true 519 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: across the board. The military. It's like the military is, 520 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, some of the best people in the country 521 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: serve in the military, and they are led by the 522 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: worst people, right, I mean the Republican Party. I like, 523 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, rural Republican voters some of the best people 524 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 1: I've ever met. The people the RNC some of the 525 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: worst people. So you have this weirddynamic of you know, 526 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: the bulk of people being pretty decent, pretty common, sensible, 527 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: pretty you know, warm and tolerant, nice, and then their 528 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: leaders being like utterly rapacious and deceptive, creepy. 529 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: It's like that, Tucker, how do you think Republicans should 530 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: handle the abortion politics? After Roe versus Wade, which has 531 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: been pretty significant downward pressure on them at the ballot box. 532 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,239 Speaker 3: How should they approach it? You know, I don't know. 533 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm the last person to give politically, and my brain 534 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: doesn't work that way, and I you know, I just 535 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm not I would be. 536 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 3: A terrible strategist. 537 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: And I've been a kind of a terrible strategist in 538 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: my own life. Obviously I keep getting fired, so you know, 539 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: obviously I'm not very good at that. I can send 540 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: my own feelings on it, which are super simple if 541 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: you can sit. I mean, there's no dispute that of 542 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: a child in the woman eight months as a person, 543 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: of course. And if you allow people to kill other 544 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: people because they're inconvenient, then you've that's a profound statement. 545 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: You know, you're not allowed to kill people except in 546 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: self defense period. Otherwise you are a monster, and you're 547 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: reserving the powers that no human being can have because 548 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: we're not God's And so the idea that the government 549 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: would encourage people to kill other people is really scary. 550 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 3: I feel that way about euthanasia. 551 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: I feel that way about the death penalty a lot 552 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: of the time, and I just think we're and I'm 553 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: not Catholic, just just to be completely clear. This is 554 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: not someone else's theology that I'm parroting. It's just very obvious. 555 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: I am a Christian that you and if I weren't, 556 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: and the times in my life when I haven't been, 557 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: I had the same view. You don't want to encourage 558 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: the casual killing of other people. That's like terrifying and 559 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,360 Speaker 1: by the way, it'll come back and get you. 560 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 3: So. But the other thing I would say is like 561 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 3: the fertility rate. 562 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, we're you know, kind of 563 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: below I would say, we're below replacement. I haven't seen 564 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: this the latest numbers, but we're clearly below replacement. And 565 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: if you don't have children, the whole point of life 566 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: is of children, is to reproduce. And every other culture 567 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: and every other period and recorded history has felt that 568 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: way because it's self evident. 569 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: What's your purpose on earth? 570 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: Well to continue, you know, to continue your line, your 571 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: genes or whatever with your descendants. That's that's the most 572 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: basic human desire. And we deny it's the most basic 573 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: human desire. We do everything we can to thwart it. 574 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: And you have to ask yourself, like. 575 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 3: What is that? 576 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: I mean, is the problem in Janet Yellen, who is 577 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: a ghoul and a disgusting human being who got rich, 578 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: you know, from the banks. Issue was supposed to be 579 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: regulating them at the FED. She said six months ago 580 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: that the like the most important piece of our economic. 581 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 3: Policies that you have more abortions. 582 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: And it's like, really, if you think having more kids 583 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: is the problem, and a lot of these people really 584 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: do think that. I have to like wonder about your 585 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: motives a little bit. If you're if you're encouraging me 586 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: not to have kids, you don't like me. And this 587 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: is like the crazy thing about black you know, the 588 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: and I have a really good Black friend who I 589 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: always say this to. It's like if I say to you, 590 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: you know, you're great, just don't reproduce. We don't want 591 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: more people like you. You know, the abortion rate in 592 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: Black America is super super high. There's a reason for that. 593 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: It's playing parenthoods everywhere. They target that community. And I 594 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: don't know why more people don't say, if you're targeting 595 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: me or my children and trying to convince us not 596 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: to reproduce, then. 597 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 3: I don't think you really love me. 598 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,920 Speaker 1: You can tell me you love me, but if you're 599 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: trying to get me to have an abortion. I think 600 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: you may be lying, but nobody says this because it's 601 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: framed in like my rights or whatever, really bodily autonomy. 602 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna give me that lecture after the COVID vacs 603 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: my body, my choice? Where were you when they were 604 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: forcing my children to get it? 605 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 606 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: My body might They don't believe. 607 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 3: That for a freaking second. 608 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: They're liars, But why the rest of us not respond 609 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: with like, hey, shut up about my body, my choice, 610 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: you vax creep. 611 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 612 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: I remember a lot of a lot of people who 613 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: made that exact point and were absolutely shut down at 614 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: the time. I know you're on a tie schedule. My 615 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: last questionnaire is we have shared, we have shared passion 616 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 2: for UFO transparency, and you made a comment very recently 617 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: which has gotten a lot of attention in the UFO world. 618 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: They've learned things that have made you afraid. And I've 619 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: seen there's been a lot of I think right minded skepticism, 620 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 2: not even just from not even just from people who 621 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 2: were more established minded others who are like, well, if 622 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: the government is quote unquote acknowledging UFOs, and that's how 623 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: I know that it's not real. So you seem to 624 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: be a believer. You've spoken with Dave Grusha. I've met 625 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 2: him as well. It seems like a very uh he 626 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: at least at the very least, I don't think he's 627 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: lying to me whenever I was spoken to him. So 628 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: what gives you assurance that what you're hearing, what you have, 629 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 2: what you've come to believe is not a government siop so. 630 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: To speak, Well, everything's government, including UFOs, but that doesn't 631 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: mean that doesn't mean that. 632 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: There aren't UFOs. 633 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: And I think I know the comment you're a franchios 634 00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: on Clayton Morris is an OL friend of mine called 635 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: Clayton Moore podcast. 636 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: Is a great guy, really interested in this topic. 637 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: And I said that there are things that I don't 638 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: want to talk about, and I, as usual, didn't fully 639 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: explain myself. If I had, you know, verifiable facts about 640 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: this phenomenon, I would immediately put them on the air 641 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: because I'm committed to that completely, because my whole life 642 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: is about that. So I should have said more clearly, 643 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: I can't be certain this is just what I believe 644 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: based on, you know, talking to an awful lot of 645 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: people about this, some of whom I. 646 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: Trust a lot some of them I trust sort of. 647 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you're trying to piece it together from lots 648 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: of different places, but no, they're there. 649 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: These are my views. 650 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: Okay, they can't be proven, but I think they're in 651 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: form views that the phenomenon is real. 652 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: It's been recorded for thousands of years. 653 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: We know that there's something buzzing around us in the skies, 654 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: but also under the oceans we now know, and probably 655 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: underground as well, So it's real. The government's lied about 656 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: it a million different ways, probably for a million different reasons, 657 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: for at least eighty years. 658 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 3: That's also confirmed. They're lying about it now. 659 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: Who knows what their motive are, and they're also trying 660 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: to keep a lot of this stuff from being disclosed. 661 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 3: That's true. Yes, So do those people think it's a. 662 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: Siop, Well, yeah, everything's a SIAP. But I know for 663 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: a dead certain fact and it's provable. 664 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: That's ay. 665 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell and Speaker Johnson and people who should in 666 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: a couple committee chairmen who should all know better, are 667 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: trying to prevent the UAP Disclosure Act of twenty twenty 668 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: three from taking effect in a meaningful way. So they 669 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: are trying to hide it. Still, that's a fact. My 670 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: own view is that these are not aliens. There's no 671 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: evidence that they've come from somewhere else. We would probably know. 672 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of a lot of technology that's 673 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: watching what comes in and out of the atmosphere, and 674 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: there's no evidence of that. 675 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: I think they've been here forever. They're not. This is 676 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: my view. 677 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: Again, I can't be proven, but I'm just telling you 678 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: after a lot of conversations, I think it's likely that 679 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: the US government has had contact with these direct contact, 680 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: and you know, over a period of years. 681 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: I find that really disturbing. 682 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: Because I you know, and a bunch of other things 683 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: that that are highly distressing that I can't prove, and 684 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: so I'm sorry, not going to throw them out there, 685 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: but I can. 686 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. 687 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of people about this, not 688 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: because I've never been interested in UFOs until like five 689 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: years ago and I was like, wait, this is real, 690 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: what is this? Why don't we talking about this. I'm 691 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: just like coming at it from a totally idiotic, I 692 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: don't know anything curious position, which is my normal posture 693 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: on everything. And so I've talked to a lot of people, 694 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: and my view is that they're you know, this is 695 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: my opinion that there are things about this that are 696 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: really disturbing. And while I hate any kind of government secrecy, 697 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: and if I could prove any of this, I would 698 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: say it immediately, consequences be damned, I do sort of 699 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: understand why they don't want to let this stuff out. 700 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: It's not about, oh, we've got fragments of one of 701 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: these crafts at a Lackey you know, facility in California, 702 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: and we have biologics from the you know, everyone knows 703 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: that that's likely true. Well, it's certainly true that they 704 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: have the you know, pieces of this stuff, but I 705 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: think it's likely that it's it's it's darker that and 706 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: that the US government is I said, the US government, 707 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: people in the US government, not the US government. 708 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: But you know, there are. 709 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: Part it's a vast it's the largest human organization history. 710 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: Parts of it, you know, have knowledge that is very, 711 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: very disturbing. And I personally think strongly think that there's 712 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: a spiritual component to this that I don't understand and 713 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: will not pretend to understand. But I think it's very 714 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: clear that there's a spiritual component to this. 715 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons the Vatican, and I'm again 716 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: not Catholic, but. 717 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: Has been involved in this for over one hundred years, 718 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: has an observatory et cetera, et cetera. I mean, it's 719 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: pretty obvious that these are not men from Mars that 720 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: I think that was a sigh oup because I think 721 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: the truth is a little bit wilder and has deeper implications. 722 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 3: Just than that. 723 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: Given us even more to think about. Tucker, I want 724 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: to thank you for your time, really appreciate it. I 725 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: encourage everybody to go and sign up for your subscription 726 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 2: program level link in our description. And as I said 727 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 2: at the beginning, I appreciate you gave me my start 728 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 2: in this business. I would not be sitting here without you, 729 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 2: and I can't thank you enough. 730 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 3: You you you beat me. 731 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like crazy what you've done, and I 732 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: love it. 733 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 3: So I appreciate you. All right. 734 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: Great to see you, m