WEBVTT - CZM Book Club: What We Want, What We Believe, by Alex Smith, Part Two

0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Cool Zone Media book Club Club Club Club Club Club

0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:18.439
<v Speaker 1>Club Club. Hello and welcome to the Cool Zone Media

0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:20.279
<v Speaker 1>book Club, the only book club where you don't have

0:00:20.320 --> 0:00:25.400
<v Speaker 1>to do the reading because Prince Shakur does it for you. Prince,

0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:26.360
<v Speaker 1>how are you doing today?

0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm good. I'm good. I had a pretty good breakfast today, coffee,

0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.280
<v Speaker 2>I slept well. I'm enjoying life for the most part,

0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.040
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, how are you.

0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing all right. The world has no guarantees and

0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:42.519
<v Speaker 1>you should do what you want with it. I just

0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.760
<v Speaker 1>found out that a friend passed right before he recorded,

0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.760
<v Speaker 1>but she lived a life to the fullest. Yeah, I

0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:50.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I did really kills all my banter for

0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:53.280
<v Speaker 1>the day that I'm like that this happened right before

0:00:53.320 --> 0:00:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the recording, but.

0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, rest in peace.

0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:56.480
<v Speaker 3>What was I going to.

0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Try and banter you about. I was going to try

0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and banster to you about the evidence of your name,

0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.160
<v Speaker 1>because your name. When I say things like Prince Shakur

0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.160
<v Speaker 1>is going to do it for you, that is a

0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.600
<v Speaker 1>fucking You have a you have a sick name. You

0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:10.080
<v Speaker 1>want you want to tell a story behind it?

0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Prince is my dad's name. Yeah, I started going

0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:21.240
<v Speaker 2>by I don't know, like a while ago, just because

0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.520
<v Speaker 2>I never knew him and I wanted to feel more connected.

0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.280
<v Speaker 2>And around that time I read Condemned by Bumani Shakur

0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:35.640
<v Speaker 2>and he was a political prisoner during the Lucasville Prison

0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.080
<v Speaker 2>riots and still.

0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Is related to Asta or no is it just a

0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:40.840
<v Speaker 1>name that people take?

0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:42.760
<v Speaker 2>At least for him, it was just a name that

0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:45.400
<v Speaker 2>he took. He talked about that process in the book,

0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and I was really inspired by the text and his journey,

0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.040
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know, around this time was like really

0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.920
<v Speaker 2>a radicalizing period for me, and so it just kind

0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.960
<v Speaker 2>of made sense for me to kind of take on

0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.320
<v Speaker 2>this piece of my father in relation to all these

0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.600
<v Speaker 2>politics that I was kind of discovering. And my sister's

0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.640
<v Speaker 2>name is princess, so.

0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.280
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like, oh yeah.

0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:13.360
<v Speaker 2>And even my dad, like my grandma had an affair.

0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.480
<v Speaker 2>She's dark skinned, her husband was dark skinned. My dad

0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:22.400
<v Speaker 2>came out light skinned, and her husband was like, oh,

0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.440
<v Speaker 2>he's he's royalty. Let's call him prince. So that's the

0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:27.600
<v Speaker 2>story behind his name.

0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:31.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, okay, for people who are wondering why I'm

0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about this. Prince Corp is the author of a

0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:37.160
<v Speaker 1>memoir called When they tell you to be good. Yes,

0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:40.799
<v Speaker 1>And and I first saw it, I think actually I

0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:44.480
<v Speaker 1>think before I met you and was like, oh, Shakur,

0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the name of the legacy. And I just I

0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:50.320
<v Speaker 1>like that. It's that's something that people have taken on.

0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I like that. I've talked a little bit about Astottiship Court,

0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:54.560
<v Speaker 1>not on the show, but on my other show, the

0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:59.160
<v Speaker 1>History Show. But like this, like idea of people renaming

0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.000
<v Speaker 1>themselves to get away from the history of colonization and

0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.160
<v Speaker 1>slave not get away from reject whiteness, you know.

0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:12.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or to confront it in a way or to yeah, yeah.

0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of political prisoners, because two thirds of the

0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:16.800
<v Speaker 1>people I know it, well, no, only half the people

0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I know of the last name Shakur political were political prisoners,

0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.720
<v Speaker 1>because you are not, and I believe Tupac was not.

0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.359
<v Speaker 1>But Asada and what was the other name of the person,

0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Bumani Shakur, Umani Shakur were We are in Black August,

0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and we are doing episodes to honor that. And Black August,

0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:41.320
<v Speaker 1>as you told me last time, comes specifically from a

0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:46.880
<v Speaker 1>legacy of black political prisoners and the fight for freedom

0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:47.760
<v Speaker 1>in the United States.

0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's a very important month of like fasting,

0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:57.840
<v Speaker 2>taking action towards abolition, like doing more than commemoration. Like

0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:01.839
<v Speaker 2>I have so many friends that literally fast and have

0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.520
<v Speaker 2>regimens of exercise during this month, so I feel like

0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.480
<v Speaker 2>it's really important the action part of it too.

0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense. Well, we will be listening to

0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:16.880
<v Speaker 1>part two of the book the story What We Want,

0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:22.920
<v Speaker 1>What We Believe by Alex Smith. And we were following

0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:26.560
<v Speaker 1>last time. We were following three threads. Regina, a woman

0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.760
<v Speaker 1>whose husband was murdered by the police for being a

0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.799
<v Speaker 1>black panther, who has just fled a mysterious government agent

0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.039
<v Speaker 1>threatening her and her child. We were also following Maya,

0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.800
<v Speaker 1>a transwoman who hears voices and just recovering in a

0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.760
<v Speaker 1>hospital after an altercation. And a child whose name is

0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:46.360
<v Speaker 1>who sees a bunny in a suit named Bouncy who

0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:49.400
<v Speaker 1>has just been smuggled out of a house in a suitcase.

0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.400
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you want to read us a story.

0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, let's finish What we Want, What we Believe

0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:03.760
<v Speaker 2>by Alex Smith. Eight. We want freedom for all black

0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.239
<v Speaker 2>men held in federal, state, county and city prisons, in jails.

0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:16.080
<v Speaker 2>This won't hurt a bit, lie back, calm nurse I

0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:22.520
<v Speaker 2>know the needle. She's a big one. H Just miss Regina,

0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:28.640
<v Speaker 2>please be calm there there, okay, see, not so bad.

0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.919
<v Speaker 2>You can rest now. You know. At the turn of

0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:37.480
<v Speaker 2>the century, before that, even they considered the slaves nurse, yes,

0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:41.000
<v Speaker 2>just put it on the desk, yes there, thank you dear.

0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Where was I? Oh? Yes, slaves. It was considered a

0:05:45.480 --> 0:05:48.440
<v Speaker 2>type of pathology for slaves to want to be free.

0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.080
<v Speaker 2>This same diagnosis was first given to women that wanted

0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.400
<v Speaker 2>to you know, work and not get married vote. They

0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.440
<v Speaker 2>called it hysteria. It's funny how these things become embedded

0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.840
<v Speaker 2>into our everyday society. The same terminology is being used today,

0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.719
<v Speaker 2>except with kids in the inner city. We call it

0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.880
<v Speaker 2>behavioral issues or what have you. But really, and this

0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.200
<v Speaker 2>is the sad part, it's all the same. A young

0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:19.800
<v Speaker 2>black child isn't a behavior risk because he, say, doesn't

0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.680
<v Speaker 2>want to sit up in class and listen to a

0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.960
<v Speaker 2>teacher go on and on about great white men conquering

0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:29.719
<v Speaker 2>the world. He's just acting out and often practice pathology.

0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:34.159
<v Speaker 2>He's experiencing and expressing the delusion of freedom. But what

0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:39.640
<v Speaker 2>is freedom but another boring, earth bound state of mind? Ah? There,

0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:45.320
<v Speaker 2>you're almost under soon you'll see Thank you, Regina, thank

0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:49.400
<v Speaker 2>you for coming to see us. But don't worry. Rest assured,

0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.200
<v Speaker 2>soon we'll find your child. Trust us, let us nurture you.

0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.520
<v Speaker 2>She tucks into her hoodie, hands deep in her pockets.

0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.920
<v Speaker 2>The city paper tornadoes over a vent bursting with hot air.

0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.200
<v Speaker 2>She kicks a rock with her steel toe sixteen eye

0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.960
<v Speaker 2>red Doc Martins. It ricochets off a trash can and

0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.320
<v Speaker 2>onto a parked buick, the saber echoing down the alley.

0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:20.080
<v Speaker 2>The night is a trapdoor hidden under the moonlight. Maya

0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.040
<v Speaker 2>pulls the flyer out of her pocket. She looks up

0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.360
<v Speaker 2>from the piece of paper towards a heaving, paint chipped

0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.000
<v Speaker 2>row home. A band is playing. Two white kids in

0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.880
<v Speaker 2>all black, ripped pants, cases of beer in hand, covered

0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.160
<v Speaker 2>in patches adorned with band locos on them, turn the corner,

0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.640
<v Speaker 2>walk up the street and enter the house. They don't

0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.200
<v Speaker 2>even nod to her. She starts to shake a bit

0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.280
<v Speaker 2>and puts the flyer back into her pocket. She searches

0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.200
<v Speaker 2>her memory to make sure, yes, she took her pills today,

0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.920
<v Speaker 2>all of them. She can do this. A woman with

0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.080
<v Speaker 2>pink hair streaks from the house. Fuck you, Gavin, She screams,

0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:02.120
<v Speaker 2>throwing a bald up cigarette packed toward the house. It's fine,

0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:08.000
<v Speaker 2>It's fine, sighn. Maya enters the house. A thick haze

0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.800
<v Speaker 2>of smoke billows up around her, the din of talk

0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.600
<v Speaker 2>pushing out of maladjusted, pierced white lips as a roar

0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.240
<v Speaker 2>that seems to suck her own thoughts away. Check. Check.

0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.200
<v Speaker 2>A skinny white boy with a bowl cut of jet

0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:26.440
<v Speaker 2>black dyed hair rocking a white belt, bellows into the mic.

0:08:26.960 --> 0:08:31.160
<v Speaker 2>Check Hello, shitheads, we're chlorox angels. This is what we

0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.680
<v Speaker 2>sound like. Roars of guitars and drums topple into each other.

0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.480
<v Speaker 2>The skinny white boy is writhing like a downed telephone wire.

0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Is there a bassist? It sounds like a drone. These

0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:48.960
<v Speaker 2>guys are really good, Maya thinks, Maya, Susie's here. She

0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.560
<v Speaker 2>runs up to Maya and hugs her deeply, uncomfortably. Susie,

0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Maya says her lungs on the verge of collapse. Hi,

0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:02.079
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, Hi, Maya, are you playing tonight? Susie's

0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.000
<v Speaker 2>enthusiasm is sweet. They'd spent so many hours on top

0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.319
<v Speaker 2>of so many roofs, throwing tiny pebbles at the trolley

0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:12.760
<v Speaker 2>as it lurched down Baltimore Avenue. So many hours on

0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the bed of some redneck punk's truck, talking about Bakunin

0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.600
<v Speaker 2>and dreaming up terrible band ideas. Days spent stapling zines

0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.000
<v Speaker 2>and pamphlets before shows, only to see them all discarded

0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:28.560
<v Speaker 2>and lining the floors of the VFW hall. They spent

0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.720
<v Speaker 2>all day canvassing we broke up. Susie tilts her head

0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.680
<v Speaker 2>like a puppy trying to figure out the strange sounds

0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:41.160
<v Speaker 2>of its owner. Maya ventured to continue over clorox, angels, cacoffney,

0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:47.360
<v Speaker 2>how's aoen? Oh, you know, screaming, crying, throwing stuff. Susie shrugs,

0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:52.640
<v Speaker 2>so she's two, yeah, Susie laughs. She has this way

0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.960
<v Speaker 2>of staring at Maya that seems to beg things out

0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.679
<v Speaker 2>of her. Maya has taken to avoiding eye contact, not

0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.800
<v Speaker 2>just with Susie but with that everyone, since the pills

0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.960
<v Speaker 2>they make things better, soothe her. Life on the pills

0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.959
<v Speaker 2>is not just safer or comforting. It is a lucid dream.

0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Constant work, sure, but easier work. After the band. Maya

0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:19.760
<v Speaker 2>sits on the porch, Susie sits beside her, cautiously. They

0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.120
<v Speaker 2>both stare at the stars. Thanks for not asking me

0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:24.680
<v Speaker 2>why I'm at the show and not at home with

0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the kiddo, She says, what everyone always asks me, that

0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:33.200
<v Speaker 2>as if it's all my responsibility, you know, I mean,

0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.080
<v Speaker 2>she's got a father for Christ's sake. Oh yeah, no,

0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:41.400
<v Speaker 2>fuck that shit. Maya tilts her head down. Susie edges

0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.720
<v Speaker 2>closer and puts an arm around her, almost knocking her

0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.520
<v Speaker 2>own glasses off. You deserve a little freedom. The night

0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.880
<v Speaker 2>is silent. A police car's siren oscillates. Everyone on the

0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.240
<v Speaker 2>porch stops to crane their necks as if they can

0:10:55.280 --> 0:11:01.559
<v Speaker 2>see the ensuing drama unfold Philly, Susie says. Maya stares

0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:05.400
<v Speaker 2>at the sky, the clouds clearing, welcoming the arrival of

0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:09.839
<v Speaker 2>a million stars. Look at them all at home. Maya

0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.320
<v Speaker 2>looks at her pills lined up on her dresser. She

0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.439
<v Speaker 2>takes one and for a moment pretends it's a rocket.

0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.560
<v Speaker 2>The game feels ridiculous and forced, a bit of whimsy

0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that she can't allow herself. But Maya does eventually that night,

0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.520
<v Speaker 2>take the same bottle of pills and empties it into

0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:29.080
<v Speaker 2>the toilet.

0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:35.400
<v Speaker 1>But did you know Prince and dear listeners, what else

0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.800
<v Speaker 1>feels ridiculous and forced. It's the ad transitions that we

0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:41.520
<v Speaker 1>have to do in order to keep the lights on

0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:54.600
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast. And Rebecca.

0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Nine, we want all black people, when brought to trial,

0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.880
<v Speaker 2>to be tried in court by a jury of their

0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:09.000
<v Speaker 2>peer group, were people from their black communities as defined

0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:13.240
<v Speaker 2>by the Constitution of the United States. Curled up on

0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the bed in her cell, Regina, eyes closed, let the

0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.240
<v Speaker 2>atmosphere around her heave against her chest, wat a weight.

0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.080
<v Speaker 2>She let her sighs soothe her. The noise of prison

0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:28.160
<v Speaker 2>rattled around her head, women arguing over dominoes and illegal

0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:32.559
<v Speaker 2>card games, cursing out, prison guards shoving and pushing themselves

0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.640
<v Speaker 2>into metal bars at the slightest infraction, mostly a low

0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:41.880
<v Speaker 2>grown and shuffle. The sounds were ambient, snatched samples from dreams,

0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.880
<v Speaker 2>so much so she didn't hear the noisy clang clanging

0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.600
<v Speaker 2>of the prison guards Billy club on the cell bars.

0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.720
<v Speaker 2>Seventy one, Get up, you can't stay in here all day.

0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Gina rolled over, her eyes stretched, weary. Her skin was

0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.679
<v Speaker 2>still pulled taut around her frame, still small but lumpy

0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:07.120
<v Speaker 2>in places, she reluctantly meandered into the television room. The

0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:11.320
<v Speaker 2>news piped in on the small screen. Gerty was always

0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.640
<v Speaker 2>in front of it, slumped down in her chair backwards,

0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:19.520
<v Speaker 2>sucking her teeth. The other lady shuffled in around her. Alice,

0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.360
<v Speaker 2>a simpering white woman who ran her husband over with

0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:26.240
<v Speaker 2>the mini van after catching him in bed with his stepdaughter. Janice,

0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.040
<v Speaker 2>a press secretary for a hedge fund manager caught in

0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:33.920
<v Speaker 2>bezzling investors money. Rita, a little, rail thin spike of

0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:37.040
<v Speaker 2>a thing whose life was a constant whirl of jail,

0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:42.480
<v Speaker 2>prostitution and crack cocaine. And there was Regina ambling around,

0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:46.120
<v Speaker 2>lifting up books in the library, reading their spines and

0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.520
<v Speaker 2>putting them back on the shelves, staring at dust mites,

0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:53.680
<v Speaker 2>or flicking her mashed potatoes with a spoon. Something's wrong

0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:57.520
<v Speaker 2>with her, Rita would say, Rita. Gertie turned from her TV.

0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:04.040
<v Speaker 2>So this was serious, that every day something's wrong with Regina. Nigga,

0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.880
<v Speaker 2>don't you know? We know that? Goddamn Gerty shot her

0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:12.320
<v Speaker 2>a look. Rita twittered away, mouting curses to herself, but

0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:17.640
<v Speaker 2>never to Gerty. Gerty spun back around, dumbass, bitch, what

0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.040
<v Speaker 2>do you watch it? What are they saying? Alice asked,

0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.400
<v Speaker 2>cutting through the tension with her mewing. It was a

0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:26.520
<v Speaker 2>way to distract, to get Gerty thinking about television again.

0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Gerty shrugged, But the john on here

0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.160
<v Speaker 2>is bang. Who is this girl? Yo? Everyone stopped and

0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.200
<v Speaker 2>peered at the television. They became transfixed, most of them

0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.040
<v Speaker 2>watching for whatever it was they thought Gerty was seeing.

0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:45.120
<v Speaker 2>There were a throng of orange jumpsuits bent toward the television,

0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.520
<v Speaker 2>hands on hips, arms crossed, all but Regina, who just

0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.840
<v Speaker 2>sat staring into the void, and Rita, who just stared

0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:58.800
<v Speaker 2>at Regina from across the room. What was behind those eyes, Regina,

0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Gina whispered to herself, as if picking

0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.200
<v Speaker 2>up Rita's ambient thoughts through a portal to another plane.

0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.200
<v Speaker 2>All Regina could see was an image of herself and

0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.720
<v Speaker 2>a sun dress. She was on a farm. Several men

0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.320
<v Speaker 2>and women in drab gray were clapping, a hardened smile

0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:20.000
<v Speaker 2>on all of their faces. She walks among them. A

0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.320
<v Speaker 2>man at the end of the line. He looked a

0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:26.880
<v Speaker 2>little like Clark Kent, held a syringe. A stocky compact,

0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:30.920
<v Speaker 2>dark black man was running straight toward her. He burst

0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.440
<v Speaker 2>through the line of gray clad clappers reaches out to her.

0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Everything slowed down, stopped, rewound. That was it, This was

0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.320
<v Speaker 2>all she saw. Every bit of my memory is soup.

0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Rita snaked her way through the crowd of women in

0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.480
<v Speaker 2>the cell. All of them were watching a woman at

0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:53.680
<v Speaker 2>a podium. They all thought the speaker was a badass.

0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Perhaps Rita did too. Her curiosity for Regina's truth lured her. Besides,

0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Rita had seen so many badass girls doing badass things

0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:09.360
<v Speaker 2>get cut down by salivating, slovenly ferocious men, all starved

0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:12.400
<v Speaker 2>for the attention they drained from their mothers, never got

0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.160
<v Speaker 2>from their fathers, and they now demanded from the rest

0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.720
<v Speaker 2>of the world. Rita will not be fooled. She sat

0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:22.400
<v Speaker 2>beside Regina and stared with the child's eagerness at the woman.

0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Who are you girl? What are you doing in here?

0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.680
<v Speaker 2>The only thing Regina could think to say was when,

0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:32.200
<v Speaker 2>in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for

0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.440
<v Speaker 2>one people to dissolve the political bonds that have connected

0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.080
<v Speaker 2>them with another and to assume among the powers of

0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:45.080
<v Speaker 2>the earth. Rita sat back, stunned. Look at God, she whispered,

0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.200
<v Speaker 2>won't he do it? I knew there was something wild

0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:53.480
<v Speaker 2>about you. You're Regina. Gerty was standing up. Regina reflexively

0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.640
<v Speaker 2>snapped her head towards Gerty's thunderclap of a voice. Regina,

0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:01.000
<v Speaker 2>this bitch just said your name, girl. Regina pushed through

0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.720
<v Speaker 2>the crowd on the farm. The hands clapping in gray

0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.760
<v Speaker 2>are now tucked under orange, white hands, black hands. She

0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:15.080
<v Speaker 2>moved toward Gerdi, who stepped aside humbly. Gerty knew. On

0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:20.200
<v Speaker 2>the screen a beautiful woman stood, encircled by microphones. Cameras flashed.

0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.760
<v Speaker 2>The woman was tall and lithe, with glowing brown skin,

0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:27.199
<v Speaker 2>her hair a wild frizz of curls and locks that

0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.720
<v Speaker 2>seemed to flow elegantly. Her stance was of an oak's.

0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.159
<v Speaker 2>She spoke as if words were small fires. And we

0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:37.640
<v Speaker 2>will not stop until she is free, Until Leonard Peltier

0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:42.040
<v Speaker 2>is free, until Momia abou Jamal is free, until Geronimo

0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Pratt is free, until all prison walls are raised. We

0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.879
<v Speaker 2>will not stop, no justice, no peace, free all prisoners.

0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.560
<v Speaker 2>There was something oddly familiar about her to Regina, something

0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.119
<v Speaker 2>in the head tilt, the slight twist of the body,

0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.880
<v Speaker 2>the way her eyes blinked in a staccato rhythm. What

0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:06.080
<v Speaker 2>was she saying? Oh, the eyes, the woman on the television,

0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:10.720
<v Speaker 2>her eyes onyx, stones, inky black. They swam in the

0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.919
<v Speaker 2>milk of their cornea. Regina clutched her hands to her

0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.359
<v Speaker 2>chest and let the tears fall gracelessly down her cheek.

0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.119
<v Speaker 2>She waved to the girl on the television, that's my

0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Regina began. She paused, squinting gently, nodding, Yeah, that's my daughter.

0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Minutes after she inserts the disc, Maya gets a ping

0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.680
<v Speaker 2>on her computer. You've got mail. She's not supposed to

0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:41.040
<v Speaker 2>be using the office after hours. Not after they found

0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:43.879
<v Speaker 2>her printing three hundred copies of a zine about racism

0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.960
<v Speaker 2>in the West Philly Marxist Knitting Circle community. That after

0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.600
<v Speaker 2>she let a few homeless queer boys sleep here for

0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:55.119
<v Speaker 2>three weeks during a particularly harsh February, she checks the screen.

0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.399
<v Speaker 2>I have the information you seek. A clap of thunder

0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.560
<v Speaker 2>erupts outside of the window. She watches Carrie, the new

0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.880
<v Speaker 2>programming director, smiling with her precious latte in hand, laughing

0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:12.160
<v Speaker 2>up the street clutching a designer briefcase. There are two

0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.440
<v Speaker 2>white men in birkenstocks standing with Carrie holding newspapers over

0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:19.920
<v Speaker 2>their heads. That doesn't give them much shelter. But those

0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.879
<v Speaker 2>men think they're bulletproof, that they're every machination, every whim,

0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.199
<v Speaker 2>every grant, every invasive design they've hinged the city on

0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:35.840
<v Speaker 2>matters a little rain. They're not impervious, simply unconcerned. It's

0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.720
<v Speaker 2>all Maya can do, not to toss the computer out

0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:42.040
<v Speaker 2>the window and down into the street at them. Don't

0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:46.359
<v Speaker 2>do it, You'll never find out. Maya scoffs at the

0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.800
<v Speaker 2>little white text box on her screen. What makes you

0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:52.600
<v Speaker 2>think I want what you have? How do I know

0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:58.199
<v Speaker 2>it's authentic? How? Yes? How I mean? You? Contact me

0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.640
<v Speaker 2>literally two days after I left the side, days after

0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:04.680
<v Speaker 2>a Chinese man in a Buddhist robe passing out tai

0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Chi pamphlets gave me me, specifically one of those weird

0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:12.800
<v Speaker 2>AOL discs. No need for exposition. I know the story.

0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Don't get smart. Maya tears open a bag of chips

0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.240
<v Speaker 2>and angrily pops one in her mouth. Have I steered

0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.000
<v Speaker 2>you wrong before? I told you exactly where the most

0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.359
<v Speaker 2>strategic exits were during the RNC. I helped you and

0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.639
<v Speaker 2>your comrades void capture. I told you Dominic was a

0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:34.359
<v Speaker 2>saboteur working for the Philadelphia Police Department. Everything I've shown

0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:38.919
<v Speaker 2>you has been real, Maya bangs furiously onto her keyboard.

0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.639
<v Speaker 2>And everything you showed me how to catch I always

0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.439
<v Speaker 2>had to do some fucked up, meaningless task before you

0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:49.159
<v Speaker 2>gave me the full story. Nothing is meaningless, nothing has meaning.

0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:55.359
<v Speaker 2>All things simply are whatever. Maya flashes the computer screen

0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.879
<v Speaker 2>the middle finger. The point is, NI, you're just offering

0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:05.680
<v Speaker 2>this information freely. Yes, I don't think so, Maya. It's true.

0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:08.560
<v Speaker 2>I know who and where your mother is. It is

0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.800
<v Speaker 2>imperative that you go to her now. It is imperative

0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:16.280
<v Speaker 2>that you know bullshit, prove it. Another clap of thunder

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.399
<v Speaker 2>the lights shut her off. The smell of ozone coats

0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.359
<v Speaker 2>the air. Maya is illuminated by the glow of the

0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:27.840
<v Speaker 2>computer screen. She feels something gingerly walking up her spine,

0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:32.959
<v Speaker 2>something pulling tight. It's somehow loose, not there, but ever present.

0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:38.280
<v Speaker 2>It feels like woven gossamer. Then it passes a buzz

0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:43.040
<v Speaker 2>and a whirr that sound feel like a cyborg's death rattle.

0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Maya looks around the room. Sure she turned all the

0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.680
<v Speaker 2>computers off for the day. It's the fax machine oring

0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:54.399
<v Speaker 2>to life. An image takes shape on the page, an

0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:58.680
<v Speaker 2>arrangement of pixelated characters, letters, and numbers, forming odd shapes,

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.480
<v Speaker 2>each line breaking into rounded pictures, something like a paw

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.639
<v Speaker 2>a body, then long pointing ears a rabbit.

0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:12.760
<v Speaker 1>But do you know what, Prince and dear listeners also

0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:29.560
<v Speaker 1>appears despite your best efforts, its ads and we're back.

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Ten. We want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace.

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:46.879
<v Speaker 2>The island was a strange place. Baboons would come and

0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 2>steal fruit from their tables. There was plenty, though. Regina

0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:53.560
<v Speaker 2>stood under a canopy where she took hold of a

0:22:53.640 --> 0:22:57.760
<v Speaker 2>large knife, swatting at birds, swatting at monkeys to cut

0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.639
<v Speaker 2>a pineapple. She put the knife down and ate the

0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:05.280
<v Speaker 2>succulent pieces of the thorny fruit. Children. So many children

0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:09.400
<v Speaker 2>ran about, playing on plastic motorbikes that cut new paths

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.760
<v Speaker 2>into the sandy dirt. Regina wondered what kind of danger

0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:17.480
<v Speaker 2>they would be in. But these children seemed feral free.

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:20.800
<v Speaker 2>She never knew that kind of freedom. Maybe this was

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:24.920
<v Speaker 2>just how kids were now the Internet is making them crazy,

0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:29.800
<v Speaker 2>she thought. People buzzed along on small disks, cutting through

0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.720
<v Speaker 2>the sky while tapping on invisible screens in the air.

0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Diagrams and images appeared in front of them. As they

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:40.080
<v Speaker 2>navigated over the water, down the beach, through the trees.

0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:44.160
<v Speaker 2>A black man in a long flowing robe held hands

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:48.280
<v Speaker 2>with another man, brown skinned and shaggy haired. They pulled

0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:53.360
<v Speaker 2>each other close. Their blithe laughter echoed. Regina stepped out

0:23:53.359 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 2>from under the canopian into the sun. The women tried

0:23:56.640 --> 0:24:00.159
<v Speaker 2>to act like she belonged there, absorbing the giant and

0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:04.800
<v Speaker 2>radiant yellow spears rays, letting it swim up the canals

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.919
<v Speaker 2>of her melanin. Maybe I'll write a poem today, she thought.

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 2>She took another step and almost forgot. She was standing

0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 2>on an embankment. Whoops, She looked down on a tall, golden,

0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:22.399
<v Speaker 2>sunstroked woman. What the wild mane of hair was walking

0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:25.840
<v Speaker 2>toward her In the distance. She was flanked by two

0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:30.679
<v Speaker 2>well built men, shirtless and flowing pants. One carried a spear,

0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 2>the other typed diligently with one finger on an invisible pad.

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:40.800
<v Speaker 2>The woman smiled, shyly, stopped and waved at Regina. Regina

0:24:40.880 --> 0:24:46.439
<v Speaker 2>slowly waved back, shaking her head and awe, don't be

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 2>afraid they're yours. These are your dreams. I know you

0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:55.040
<v Speaker 2>want land and bread and freedom and peace. I know

0:24:55.080 --> 0:24:58.439
<v Speaker 2>you've been through the wars, You've seen the shuddering of shelter.

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:02.119
<v Speaker 2>You've looked through the raw, ripped tapestry of the world

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.919
<v Speaker 2>that was supposed to protect you, and it rocked you.

0:25:05.520 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I know we've always been here though with you. It's okay,

0:25:10.960 --> 0:25:14.800
<v Speaker 2>it's okay. You don't need them. We're right here with you.

0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Always let us in. We know when you put those

0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 2>dreams on a hold for this world, when you borrowed

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.639
<v Speaker 2>through the fog of time, when you screamed into the vortex,

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you did. You took those pills to drown us out.

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.600
<v Speaker 2>You didn't know that we were looking over you, that

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.960
<v Speaker 2>you're an ethereal being in a corporeal world, a world

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't quite understand you. But it's time. We've got

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.960
<v Speaker 2>you sit with us. Wake up, now, let us in.

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Maya wakes up. Mother is there. She crosses the room

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 2>you slept again. Yeah, Maya shifts on the floor. Her

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>legs are crossed and numbed. The pain doesn't wash over

0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:02.320
<v Speaker 2>her so much as it just miss She's used to it. Now,

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:06.399
<v Speaker 2>get up. Mother's hands are crossed. She has draped in

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>a heavy robe of colors that swirl and shimmering chroma.

0:26:10.080 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Her every movement is both grand and effortless. It's weird

0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 2>hearing you talk, Maya mumbles, the little orphan girl, all

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 2>grown up. Mother paces came to me as a seed.

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 2>And now, she says, gesturing, look at you, prickly pine

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 2>tree or a great, big old oak. You know, I

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:35.160
<v Speaker 2>don't do well with this esoteric stuff. Mother. Mother moves

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 2>so swiftly that it's as if she simply materialized in

0:26:38.880 --> 0:26:43.120
<v Speaker 2>front of Maya. Mother frowns at what she sees. Why

0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:46.399
<v Speaker 2>can't you see it, girl, Mother urges, placing her bony

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 2>hand on Maya's forehead. Why can't you wake the fuck up?

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.440
<v Speaker 2>A searing heat. As Mother pushes down on Maya's head,

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 2>steam emits from her hand. Maya wants to scream, but

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>when she opens her mouth, there's only a click, A silent,

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:08.600
<v Speaker 2>burning inward scream, A white hot everything. The light is massive, weighty.

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 2>There she is, floating in the middle of it. Is

0:27:12.280 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 2>this the sun? The sun where it all flashes harsh rays,

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:20.960
<v Speaker 2>hues of gray silhouettes acting out before her, her birth

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:25.360
<v Speaker 2>mother tossing her into a suitcase, Her in her grandmother's clothing,

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 2>bounding out of a window as the old woman bursts

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 2>after her swinging a belt from her bad hip. A

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 2>night under the pier in Solitude, A plastic bag squeezed

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>into a drug kit, tucked under a spoon. A nightclub's

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 2>dizzying strobe lights and thumping bass. A peer group session

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 2>at the youth center, tossing a kickball back and forth

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>with other kids, and shopliftedt jingos, A shitty job at Rainbow,

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 2>selling biker shorts, the Thoughdy latinas in the Northeast, kissing

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Susie on the beach, starting a band the co op,

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:04.160
<v Speaker 2>a cops baton, throwing a computer out of the non

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 2>profits window, watching the shards splash in front of Carrie's

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 2>smug face, bits of screen embedded in the donor she's

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 2>coddling's foot, a bullhorn, a fire walls of a prison

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 2>crumbling into dust, barbed wire choking a police officer acquitted

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 2>of killing a black teen on a playground in Tennessee.

0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 2>An edict, a convergence of scientists, engineers, ecoists, fashionistas, vigilantes,

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>their afros and dreads and box breeds resting like impenetrable

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>crowns on their black heads. A cloud. Maya is floating

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:48.840
<v Speaker 2>there like an angel, a hadron collider. A masked group

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 2>of men surrounds a miniature hadron collider pulled out of

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>its cryo cell by barefoot African children riding hyenas through

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 2>the hallways of Nasa. What she asks herself as the

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 2>heat intensifies and the flashes grow larger, is a hadron collider?

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Her mother? No, her mother Regina, wearing a black beret,

0:29:14.440 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a dashiki, an apron, a gray sweatshirt, an orange jumpsuit

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 2>her mother wrapped and needled threaded linen, adorned with paper

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 2>thin golden embellishments, and cast in a wreath of doves.

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Let us in. Maya falls back. The light snaps off

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>like a valve shut tight. Maya pants her eyes, darting violently.

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Mother stands above her. Again. Maya gasps. Her throat is

0:29:44.200 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 2>a scratchy, nealy gullet. Again, Mother bends down and smirks

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 2>at her. No, she says intently. She claps her hands twice,

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>then exits the room through a door. And Maya did

0:29:57.200 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>not know existed tomorrow really start. Maya slumps to the floor, crying.

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Her sobs can't be controlled. They ebb, rise and eb

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 2>again until they become a simple breath. She closes her

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 2>eyes to sleep, let us in, and that's the end

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:17.959
<v Speaker 2>of our story.

0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that story is weird.

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really love that ending. Yeah, I like that,

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.959
<v Speaker 2>even though it's very surreal and kind of stressful. Like

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 2>whatever the process is that's happening between this mother and child,

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 2>it's an opening, it's hopeful, it's a reclamation of self.

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Like that's how I kind of read what we've been

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:51.000
<v Speaker 2>going through in this second episode, the mother being in

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>this facility and being able to see her daughter on

0:30:54.720 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>screen and kind of these systemic and psychological goal processes

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:06.239
<v Speaker 2>getting in the way of us or these characters being

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 2>able to connect to their reality, and then these breaks

0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 2>in the illusions being able to I don't know, I

0:31:14.800 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>guess cultivate a deeper connection withself, okay, And I love

0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 2>that in this last section, this deeper connection of self

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 2>with Maya theoretically is because of what her mother is

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 2>able to bring into this process. And I mean I

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 2>call it a process because I'm kind of like, what's

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 2>happening in the scene, Like it seems.

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Like right I don't entirely know what happened here, but

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 1>I like it, and I think I like the fact

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>that I don't entirely know what happened here, because, Yeah,

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the like the opening that you're talking about, the optimism,

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the chance it seems to be providing is basically like

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>psychedelic itself. M Like, it feels like if I were

0:31:59.840 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 1>to get yes. The literal thing that happens in this

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>story is that Regina sees her husband killed while she's pregnant,

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.760
<v Speaker 1>gets away, gets kind of taken into a program, like

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>hides the kid in a suitcase in a way that

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 1>causes the kids some permanent psychological damage. But I'm not

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>mad at the mom here. I'm mad at the police

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>for chasing her killing her husband. And then that kid

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>grows up to be Maya. Is just used as like

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a stand in, and I like it because it's a

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>stand in, not as a dead name, but it's a

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>stand in. Is like this is a person that doesn't exist,

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I have never been that, or like

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>that was an untrue thing that happened, and now I

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 1>am Maya, you know that's my read. And then mom

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>ends up in prison because the program that she goes into.

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:54.959
<v Speaker 1>But maybe it is the program is maybe I think

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>it's just a regular prison.

0:32:56.440 --> 0:32:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I kind of thought too.

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.280
<v Speaker 1>But then there's like kind of two parallel things happening.

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 1>As best as I can tell that, both there's this

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:05.520
<v Speaker 1>prison that the mom is in and then also this

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of more asylum kind of situation. But there's this

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>like psychedelic possible afrofuturist society where they're all like walking

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>around with spears and tapping on invisible screens and they

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>can fly on discs and shit and everything fucking rules.

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like, as a white person, I tried

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>to understand afrofuturism right and as specifically the more psychedelic

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>elements of it, because I would say that afrofuturism has

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:35.160
<v Speaker 1>a much more psychedelic past than like white science fiction.

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like this story kind of helps me

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 1>understand that of like these prisons that people are put in,

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>like maybe kind of understanding that our reality isn't the

0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 1>only reality, is like part of people's way out.

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 2>That's my read.

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>I fully could be entirely wrong about this.

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:00.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's interesting because in this life section,

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>like the two people walking behind Maya, and the one

0:34:03.720 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>person as a spear and the other person is tapping

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:08.839
<v Speaker 2>on an invisible pad. I kind of I mean, it's

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 2>interesting because I think there's numerous ways to read that.

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I read it as like the kind of guards.

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I kind of read it as Regina like getting out

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.399
<v Speaker 2>of prison. In that little part about the invisible pad,

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, is she talking about the Internet

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 2>like people traveling across the ocean and seas and being

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>able to communicate? And I mean I do get the

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>afro pessimist reading as well, but I found that kind

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 2>of interesting. And then like with the afro pessimism, I'm like,

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 2>where would she be where there's like baboons like steal

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 2>them food?

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>And oh, I'm saying afrofuturism not afro pessimism, but.

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I find the last

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 2>part interesting on those numerous levels because I did kind

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of read the invisible pad is like could this be

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 2>the Internet or could this be like a more like

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:59.760
<v Speaker 2>surreal kind of afro futurist kind of assertion of wherever

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.320
<v Speaker 2>they are are? Yeah, And so I found that interesting.

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>And then the other part that I was kind of

0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 2>curious about was like with Maya being at this like

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 2>punk show with chlorox. What were they called clorox angels, Yeah,

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:15.879
<v Speaker 2>something like that. Yeah, I wondered why at the end

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 2>she dumps the pills away, Like I wonder what that

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 2>shift was for her leading up to that.

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting because she talks about how it's taking the

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 1>pills that let her go into the white subcultural space

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 1>and like be okay at the show.

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know she had enough she had enough?

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, like yeah, because I get the impression

0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.120
<v Speaker 1>because she's like, oh, well, the pills help me like

0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>not lose my mind all the time. But at the

0:35:43.360 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>end she's like, I don't know, man, I kind of

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.319
<v Speaker 1>want to lose my mind all the time. Because her

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 1>like wild knowledge is also part of what's making her

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.759
<v Speaker 1>a better activist, right, she has like these voices in

0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:56.120
<v Speaker 1>her head that are telling her like so and says

0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.320
<v Speaker 1>a snitch, this is how you escape the mass arrest.

0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:02.560
<v Speaker 1>My read is that kind of disappear into like let

0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:06.240
<v Speaker 1>the madness be your guide kind of thing. But I

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:07.919
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I'm also not trying to make a moral

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>statement out of this, as just like my read of

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:10.319
<v Speaker 1>this one.

0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean I feel like also with this ending.

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.400
<v Speaker 2>The other thing that I liked was kind of thinking

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:24.680
<v Speaker 2>about epigenetics as well, like what Regina experiences and how

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:29.760
<v Speaker 2>she tries her best to flee to hide her identity,

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 2>ends up in the state's custody, and then is further

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:41.560
<v Speaker 2>traumatized by these state driven processes of trying to disconnect

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:47.400
<v Speaker 2>her from reality, and then how her experiences then feed

0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 2>into many of the systems for Maya that makes her

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>life challenging, leads to her being on the streets, like

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 2>engaging in these counter cultures as like a way to

0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, experience the world in a deeper way,

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 2>and how these voices, the medicine, the facility, I don't know,

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of parallels in both of their journeys,

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 2>and it really makes me think, I don't know specifically

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 2>about epigenetics. Yeah, reading this, like I think about like

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:26.200
<v Speaker 2>coming from an immigrant family, having a single mom for

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a good amount of my childhood, her dealing with a

0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:35.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of domestic issues before I was born, and how

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 2>those traumas have led me to question things about gender, masculinity,

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 2>violence in my life, like for better or for worse,

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and so I don't know, I just find there to

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 2>be like a really beautiful correlation around like the control

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 2>that epigenetic trauma can have on us. And I love

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 2>that there's like a duality to how they both free

0:38:01.120 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 2>themselves and it's sort of like, yeah, around similar times,

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 2>and then their journeys can converge, and these journeys converge

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 2>in this kind of afro futurist kind of space or

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:15.080
<v Speaker 2>afro surrealist space, which I think is like a really

0:38:15.160 --> 0:38:19.280
<v Speaker 2>beautiful imagining and maybe it's also like reading Asada Chakur

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.719
<v Speaker 2>into it as well. But like I remember a friend

0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.040
<v Speaker 2>who I think went to an event in Philly where

0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Asada Shakur's daughter was and if I'm remembering correctly, my

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 2>friend said, Sada Shakor's daughter talked about like how much

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:36.879
<v Speaker 2>state violence is taken away from her not being able

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 2>to see her mother and not really having as deep

0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 2>of a connection as they could have. And I mean,

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and that makes me think of like growing up with

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>a stepfather who was incarcerated and dealing with that, or

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 2>having friends go through state violence or repression or going

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:55.080
<v Speaker 2>to jail or prison, and how I don't know, you

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:58.279
<v Speaker 2>literally watch people change in front of you, or what

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 2>does it mean when your separate from someone and in

0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the world is trying to destroy them, erase them, etc.

0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I just feel like there was

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 2>so much in this too, I don't know, kind of

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 2>give various pathways to like certain kinds of liberation. Even

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 2>though I mean, I don't want to judge the endings.

0:39:17.200 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of like, Okay, what is this process that

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:21.359
<v Speaker 2>they're going through? Is this like brainwashing? Is this her

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 2>liberating herself?

0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Is this like right? Who fucking knows? Yeah? Yeah, no,

0:39:27.040 --> 0:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I think that's fucking brilliant. I think I'm going to

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>read this story again too when we're done, because it

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 1>took me a long time to come around on like

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 1>more like psychedelic fiction, But now I kind of get

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it more. The problem is that my brain wants things

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.879
<v Speaker 1>to be sort of linear. I actually literally can't remember

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 1>if I said this last time. Maybe i'll hear let

0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 1>me say it again. Usually when there's a break between episodes,

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>i'm lying and it hasn't been a week, But this

0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>time it actually has been a week. But I like,

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I often need things to be kind of linear because

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm a simple person. But I've been really coming around

0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.279
<v Speaker 1>on it, especially as ways of just getting at that,

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>like there isn't one truth is kind of the more

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>important truth. Yeah, you want to hear what Alex had

0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>to say about it, the author, Yeah, yeah, Alex says, quote,

0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:17.279
<v Speaker 1>this is my favorite story in Arcdust, which is the

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.359
<v Speaker 1>collection it's from that you all should go read. I

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 1>believe that the previous story we ran was also from Arkdust,

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:26.160
<v Speaker 1>but it's generally my least disgust. I remember having to

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.359
<v Speaker 1>take a walk or drink tea or do some light

0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:33.240
<v Speaker 1>meditation after each chapter. Maya's Journey was me paying homage

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.280
<v Speaker 1>to so many women and queer folks who have informed

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 1>my life and work, so many movements and niche elements

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:43.000
<v Speaker 1>of subcultures who don't largely get their flowers, while also

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 1>projecting and contemplating a future for queer and trans black people. Yeah,

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 1>let's see, here's a bio for Alex Smith. I bet

0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:52.839
<v Speaker 1>you didn't know that. I bet you did, because it's

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the same one I read last week, but it's worth

0:40:54.520 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 1>hearing again. Alex Smith aka Alexoteric a writer, artist, curator,

0:41:02.040 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 1>musician that gets quotes, slash noise maker living in the

0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 1>cosmically kinetic city of Philadelphia. His work reflects that dichotomy,

0:41:11.440 --> 0:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>stark beautiful, wrought with afrotopian tension, avant garde fashions, last assemblage,

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:22.760
<v Speaker 1>and dynamic visual presentation. His sci fi inspired worlds collide

0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 1>with afro queer and radical reimaginings of the fantastic. He

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.359
<v Speaker 1>is a founding member of the Philadelphia based sci fi

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:35.840
<v Speaker 1>arts collective Metropolarity, essential personnel in Philadelphia's early afrofuturist community,

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 1>from collage work to zines, to bands and solo music performances,

0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:44.600
<v Speaker 1>to promoting other bands and performers via curation and cultural critique.

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 1>In arts reporting, Smith transcends the concept of renaissance man

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and works from the afrofuturist vision all things, all the time,

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 1>each aspect of his work informing the other. Smith won

0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty p Fellowship of the Arts, presenting work

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:04.800
<v Speaker 1>such as his short story collection arc Dust from Mersarrian Publishing,

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 1>his experimental art punk bands Rainbow Crimes, Solarized Spectral Forces,

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Glitch Proverbs, the cyberpunk superhero indie comic book series Black Vans,

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 1>among others. His work appears in anthologies such as Stories

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>for Chip a tribute to Samuel R. Delaney from Rosarium,

0:42:25.760 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>Black Quantum Futurism Volume two, Black Punk Now from Soft Skull,

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 1>and The Black Fantastic from Library of America. He invites

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>you to join him in the chromatic exploration of the unknown.

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Is art a visual portal to that liminal space. Find

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Alex at patreon dot com, slash they are Birds or

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 1>they are Birds on Instagram. Prins you got anything you

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:53.120
<v Speaker 1>want to plug?

0:42:53.960 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, well one. I mean, I don't know if

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 2>this is the right part for this, but if folks

0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 2>want another of media that I was trying to figure

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.360
<v Speaker 2>out what this story reminds me of. It makes me

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:08.879
<v Speaker 2>think of the poem Rhinoceros Woman by Asada Shakur, which

0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I think is such a companion piece to this story.

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.439
<v Speaker 2>So I highly recommend folks check that out. But yeah,

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 2>stuff I want to plug. I mean, I run a

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 2>podcast with my co host Jordan called The Dugout of

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Black Narchists podcast. We do lots of interviews coverage of

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 2>things that are happening politically in the US and abroad,

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:33.839
<v Speaker 2>and check that out. You can find it anywhere that

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 2>podcasts are available. If folks want to check out any

0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 2>of my writing, you can check out my memoir when

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.120
<v Speaker 2>they tell you to be good. I'm currently working on

0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 2>a collection of essays about James Baldwin, so stay tuned

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 2>for that. And yeah, just find me anywhere online. But

0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:53.759
<v Speaker 2>if you want to find me on Instagram, I'm at

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Sweet Black Prints.

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 3>Hell.

0:43:56.600 --> 0:44:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm on the Internet. I have a newsletter comes

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.800
<v Speaker 1>out every week. You can search it. Margaret kiljoyd atsubstock

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:10.040
<v Speaker 1>dot com. I'm on Blue Sky, Margaret Bsky whatever. I

0:44:10.040 --> 0:44:12.880
<v Speaker 1>am still on Instagram. I feel very conflicted about that.

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>And buck Ice, Free Palestine, take care of each other,

0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Free all prisoners. Yeah, remember where we come from.

0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:33.000
<v Speaker 3>Hi everyone, It Could Happen Here is a production or

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 3>visit our website cool Zonemedia dot com or check us

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 3>out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 3>listen to podcasts. You can now find sources for It

0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 3>Could Happen here listed directly in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.