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Speaker 1: Welcome Birg Gang. On today's show, we ask a couple

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Speaker 1: of questions. In the Cliff Kingsbury offense. How important is

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Speaker 1: the tight end position? And if it is important, then

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Speaker 1: that room needs some work. Max Williams and Darrell Daniels

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Speaker 1: they need help after Dan Arnold chose to take his

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Speaker 1: talents elsewhere. Another question, and there is no wrong answer

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Speaker 1: here was it a better throw or a better catch?

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Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode four thirty five, and it

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Speaker 1: starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolu

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Speaker 1: and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday,

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: Visit acy Cardinals dot Com, Slash Podcasts. Murray rolls to

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Speaker 1: the right, throws near sight of Fritz Bot. He is

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Speaker 1: in the ends after the touchdown. Here's Craig Griolu and

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Speaker 1: Mike Jarecki. So we had a lot of fun with

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Speaker 1: this last season the Hill Murray, who did it better?

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray with the throw or DeAndre Hopkins with the catch?

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Speaker 1: Fast forward seven months, MG, and we're asking the same question,

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Speaker 1: but with different participants, Jay Crowder or DeAndre Eton of

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Speaker 1: lob or eighton with the slam dunk. Well, the way

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Speaker 1: I look at it, first of all, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if how many times he can do that

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Speaker 1: they didn't even even practice that play. I wasn't aware

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Speaker 1: of the rule. You were there a couple of years

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Speaker 1: ago when they played Memphis Chandler Tyson Chandler, Yes, and

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Speaker 1: look at improbable, I'm going with Kyler Murray throwing to

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. Okay, so you like that one better than

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Speaker 1: the Jay Crowder to DeAndre at And for Gang fans again,

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Speaker 1: we're we here in Arizona. We all are focused on

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Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns and Rifley. So what they are doing

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Speaker 1: right now is tremendous and it's got the entire valley

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Speaker 1: and the entire States a bus. We're talking about Game

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Speaker 1: two the Western Conference Finals. Suns beat the Clippers on

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Speaker 1: a buzzer beater ali oop dunk as Crowder throws the

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Speaker 1: I loved what DeAndre Hopkins had to say, quote it's

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Speaker 1: the DeAndre in us and the NA had pictures with

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Speaker 1: This Sun's team and the players there, as we've talked

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Speaker 1: about it before here on Cardinals cover two presented by Hunday,

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Speaker 1: probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. The synergy here amongst

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Speaker 1: all professional teams, and we are seeing Cardinal players DJ Humphries,

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Speaker 1: so it's fun. And again when we talked about the

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Speaker 1: As they say, we all both thought it was Kyler

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Speaker 1: comes together and you can see that. Yes, there have

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Speaker 1: But Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins now one of eight

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Speaker 1: Football Focus is doing a countdown their top fifty players,

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Speaker 1: four wide and again four wide. For me to be

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Speaker 1: is getting in the field position before the half, trying

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Speaker 1: to you know, with the hurry up offense based on

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Speaker 1: timeouts and down in distance. But if this team feels

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Speaker 1: like they can push the ball down the field against

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Speaker 1: an opponent, that's how you start the game. So you

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Speaker 1: get an advantage and then hopefully you can play with

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Speaker 1: a lead in This team we know needs to learn

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Speaker 1: how to finish, finish quarters, finish halfs, and finish games.

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Speaker 1: You reference the numbers here, they are as far as

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Speaker 1: looking at what the Cardinals offensively did in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: eleven personnelimating one side end forty six percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: League average was sixty percent. They ran twelve personnel, which

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Speaker 1: is two tight ends thirty percent of the time, third

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Speaker 1: and most behind the Eagles and Titans. Those teams checked

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Speaker 1: in at thirty five and thirty four percent, respectively. League

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Speaker 1: average was twenty percent. So Cardinals a little bit more

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Speaker 1: heavy on the twelve personnel versus eleven. But I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of that had to do with inside the

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Speaker 1: red zone, where you're looking for more blockers as opposed

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Speaker 1: to throwing the foot, but they also had twenty two

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Speaker 1: rushing touchdowns, ten from Kenyan Drake, eleven from Tyler Murray

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Speaker 1: and then Chase Edmonds. You know, the Patriots were the

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Speaker 1: worst last year. Would they do? The first day of

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Speaker 1: free agency, went out and signed two really good tight

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Speaker 1: ends we know back in the day, Aaron Hernanis and

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Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowskis. And to me, when you look at why

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia do that? Because you're trying to protect Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: And then when you look at you know, Ryan Tannehill

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Speaker 1: and that running game, you're going to use an extra

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Speaker 1: tight end for a blocker, and that's you know, I

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Speaker 1: look at those two other situations, so and again I

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Speaker 1: really think they want to line up and run the football.

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Speaker 1: I would like to see two tight ends out there

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Speaker 1: at a time we could see two running backs in

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Speaker 1: the game, you know. So I think they got a

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Speaker 1: lot of options, but don't get cute. Figure out what

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Speaker 1: works and go with it, yes, and make sure you're

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Speaker 1: able to adapt, which we saw year one from Kingsbury.

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Speaker 1: You noted it when Christian Kirk went down, the offense

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Speaker 1: did switch and become very effective. Even when Kirk came back.

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Speaker 1: But at his core, Kingsbury is under that air raid system.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't run an air raid system, but he is

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Speaker 1: as a former quarterback. He likes to throw the football.

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Speaker 1: And you've been very, very key on the tight end position.

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Speaker 1: Because there was also another question to Kingsbury. This is

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Speaker 1: back on May first, and I believe it was your

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Speaker 1: question as well, Mjay as far as running the offense

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Speaker 1: and the tight end position, and Kingsbury at that time said, quote,

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Speaker 1: we're going to put guys out there that we think

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Speaker 1: give us the best chance to win, whether that's eleven, twelve,

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Speaker 1: thirteen personnel. Then he added this, which I think is

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Speaker 1: going to stick with a lot of people as far

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Speaker 1: as trying to figure out what's going to happen in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, quote, I like the four wide receivers

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Speaker 1: that we can roll out there right now. This team

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Speaker 1: ran four wide a league high twenty percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: League average was two percent. So that quote on May first,

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Speaker 1: and this was at the end of the draft. This

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Speaker 1: was on that Saturday. Quote, I like the four wide

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Speaker 1: receivers that we can roll out there right now. And

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Speaker 1: he's obviously talking about Hopkins, Green, Kirk and then the

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Speaker 1: draft pick Rondel Moore. So yes, despite every everything that

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Speaker 1: has been done with this roster, Sean Coogler are getting

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Speaker 1: elevated to run game coordinator the addition to Rodney Hudson,

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Speaker 1: Brian Winters resigning Kelvin Beecham. Yes, you'd like to say

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Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball more. Yet at the same time,

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Speaker 1: here's a coach saying we like the four wide receivers

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Speaker 1: that we can roll out there right now. Does that

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Speaker 1: an indication that we might see more four wide at

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Speaker 1: least at the onsets of the regular season. I think

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Speaker 1: it needs to be a wrinkle in the offense. Your

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Speaker 1: base offense is eleven and twelve personnel. The numbers reflected

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Speaker 1: so and listen, they learn a hard way. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: protect the ig just now the offensive line has been

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Speaker 1: in the system. They kind of have an idea when

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Speaker 1: it comes to muscle memory when la Kyler Murray's gonna

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Speaker 1: get rid of the ball. So, but it has to

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Speaker 1: I have no problem with it being in a wrinkle

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Speaker 1: in the offense. Buffalo is another team that runs four

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Speaker 1: wide just because of Josh Hellen, and they don't have

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Speaker 1: the household name tight ends. I mean zach Ertz could

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Speaker 1: end up there. They got some guys that can stretch

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Speaker 1: the field least last year Cole Basy Good, slot receiver,

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Speaker 1: John Brown, Stefan Diggs. I think it showed up in

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Speaker 1: the AFC Championship game that they couldn't run the football.

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Speaker 1: So but then the other team, we don't see the

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Speaker 1: Ravens drain it. I'm looking at the Rams. They ran

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Speaker 1: eleven personnel sixty five percent of the time. How many

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Speaker 1: times they run four wide the Rams, it looks like

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Speaker 1: they only had three plays when they ran four wide,

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Speaker 1: and then when the Rams when they go two wide

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Speaker 1: receivers thirty percent. For the most part, they don't. They

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Speaker 1: stay in their base offense because of matchups and their

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Speaker 1: play callers. So I think it's a wrinkle in the offense.

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Speaker 1: And I like when they go up tempo, you just

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Speaker 1: can't go three and out. Bottom line, do whatever works,

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Speaker 1: whatever is moving the football, gaining first downs, getting into

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Speaker 1: the red zones, go ring touchdowns. However you have to

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Speaker 1: do it, do it to be successful better than your

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Speaker 1: opponents on that particular Sunday, I do like the wrinkle

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Speaker 1: that you used to describe and now I guess we'll

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Speaker 1: just have to kind of wait and see as we

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Speaker 1: I'll keep mentioning it. You can see what this offense

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Speaker 1: get into more as far as the players currently on

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals rosters, and we know the familiar names, and

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Speaker 1: we've talked about a couple of them, both of them,

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Speaker 1: in fact, Max Williams and Durrell Daniels. Williams I think

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Speaker 1: is the key, and the key is can he be healthy?

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Speaker 1: According to Kingsbury, Williams has looked great in practice talking

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Speaker 1: about OTA's and mini camp, and then Kingsbury added this quote,

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Speaker 1: he's running back to how he was when he first

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Speaker 1: got here end quotes, which is great news because I

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Speaker 1: do think that ankle injury that he suffered in training

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Speaker 1: camp really lingered throughout the entire season. He started eight games,

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Speaker 1: played in nine, but there were seven games in which

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Speaker 1: he was outs and ultimately cost him five games on

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Speaker 1: IR from weeks three to seven. But if you have

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Speaker 1: a healthy Max Williams, not only do you have that blocker,

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Speaker 1: but you do have someone who can certainly catch the football,

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Speaker 1: whether that's lining up in the slot or from a

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Speaker 1: three point stance and then releasing. He did have eight

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Speaker 1: catches for one hundred and two yards and one touchdown.

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Speaker 1: But again referencing that ankle injury that cost him seven

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Speaker 1: games overall, I think he might be one of the

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Speaker 1: key pieces that not a lot of people talk about.

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Speaker 1: When you look at this cardinal's office. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a good observation and I agree with you. And that's

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Speaker 1: the problem when things linger high, ankle sprains, growings, hamstrings,

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Speaker 1: and you know he wants to be out there. I

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Speaker 1: mean the game of contract extension. But he's my meat

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Speaker 1: and potatoes guy on this team, so I like and

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Speaker 1: again he can catch the ball. I know he dropped

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Speaker 1: one in the sun. He made a catch last year

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Speaker 1: just before going out of bounce. But I think more blocking.

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Speaker 1: But if he gets a chance to release, he can

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Speaker 1: be a guy that you can target, especially on third

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Speaker 1: down easy throw. You're not gonna have Larry Fitzgerald out

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Speaker 1: there if he doesn't come back, and usually here's your

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Speaker 1: go to guy. Now it's he hasn't been targeted as much,

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Speaker 1: but you know fitz would find the sticks. You got

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Speaker 1: to hope that Williams can do that from a tight

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Speaker 1: end position, and you're not looking for Max Williams or

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Speaker 1: any tight end to have fifty catches a season. I

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Speaker 1: know there was a lot to talk about what Dan

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Speaker 1: Arlod could potentially be and I think we all kind

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Speaker 1: of caught up got caught up in that height. But

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Speaker 1: I think you're just looking for someone twenty five to

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Speaker 1: thirty catches and just be effective when you need that

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Speaker 1: third down and maybe you find someone in the in

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Speaker 1: the end zone that's open. I just think it's it's

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Speaker 1: not going to be a huge part, but it could

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Speaker 1: play a huge part within the offense. Yeah, dan Arnold

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Speaker 1: lest year at forty five targets, thirty one yards, That's

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Speaker 1: what I thought. I mean, I thought he'd be you know,

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Speaker 1: he averaged fourteen yards a catch, four touchdowns. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's not Chop Liver. You know he played on all

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Speaker 1: sixteen games, start at five. If anybody does that this year,

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Speaker 1: I think it's that means your offense is clicking where

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Speaker 1: you're spreading the ball around a little bit more. So

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Speaker 1: I would sign up for any of those guys, whether

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Speaker 1: it's Max or Durella or the pass catching tight end. Again,

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Speaker 1: they want to get Hopkins involved, they want to get

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Speaker 1: that running game involved. They want to use the utilize

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Speaker 1: their running backs in the passing game. They want to

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Speaker 1: utilize Rondel Moore in different facets, and then Christian Kirk

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Speaker 1: and the AJ Green. So I don't think you're going

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Speaker 1: to see a lot of targets, but if they're open,

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Speaker 1: you gotta throw it to him. Max Williams is the

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Speaker 1: perfect guy as far as the ability to do both

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Speaker 1: catch the football and block. Then you have Durell Daniels,

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Speaker 1: who is more of the blocking tight end getting better

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Speaker 1: as far as catching the football. He had eight catches

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Speaker 1: for ninety two yards and one touchdown. Last season. He

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Speaker 1: was resigned in the offseason to a one year contract.

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Speaker 1: Appeared in twelve games, including a career eight starts. More

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Speaker 1: on special teams, however, and he's a key piece on

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Speaker 1: special teams. And there was that conversation, and I'll say conversation.

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Speaker 1: It looked heated, but that's in the moments on the

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Speaker 1: sidelines where you kind of have to raise your voice

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Speaker 1: to get heard. The conversation between Kyler Murray and Darrell Daniels.

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Speaker 1: And I can't remember what game it was, but Daniels

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Speaker 1: wasn't where he was supposed to be, and if he was,

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Speaker 1: maybe it's a bigger play. And I just think if

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Speaker 1: you get Darrell Daniels on the same page. And again,

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Speaker 1: I think offense, it's still kind of new for him

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Speaker 1: as far as being a focal point or at least

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Speaker 1: being on the football field on a consistent basis. But

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Speaker 1: I do like what Darrell Daniel is, the potential of

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Speaker 1: what he can be and be that Max Williams as

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Speaker 1: far as the dual threat tight end, catch and block. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think Kyler Murray, I mean, he's shown leadership.

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Speaker 1: The only reason why they saw this because it's on

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Speaker 1: TV and a couple of minutes later they're hugging. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's frustrating for a quarterback. You work on

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Speaker 1: it all week and you're not in the spot you

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Speaker 1: should be and it could have been where you can

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Speaker 1: move the change, you can score points off of it.

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Speaker 1: So again, mental aires, they're learning, they're learning tools for

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Speaker 1: any player out there. Nobody's perfect, they're human. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's got a role on this team, and

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Speaker 1: the fact is that he does play on special teams.

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Speaker 1: And you know a lot of guys when you're a

643
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Speaker 1: backup in this league and either the bigs or the

644
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Speaker 1: skill position players, you have to play on special teams.

645
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Speaker 1: And he's done a good job on that. And I

646
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Speaker 1: love that catch he made last year Kyler Murray. It

647
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Speaker 1: was a needle in the end zone and he was

648
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Speaker 1: able to come down with the ball. Daniels six three

649
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Speaker 1: two fifty six compared to Max Williams six four two

650
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Speaker 1: fifty two. There's not much difference there. But if Darrell

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Speaker 1: Daniels and I do think we've seen improvement from him

652
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Speaker 1: over the last couple of seasons. And that's what you like.

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Speaker 1: You want to see that development. You don't need to

654
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Speaker 1: have him be the star, at least not yet. But

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Speaker 1: I just I think whether you're a star tied end

656
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Speaker 1: on the Cardinals, I think we have to kind of

657
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Speaker 1: define what star means when the tied end position. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we look at Darren Fells. You know, he was a

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Speaker 1: big guy, but a lot of times he was open.

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Speaker 1: Jermaine Gresham was both. He can block at the line

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00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and then he would release out. You know,

662
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Speaker 1: maybe we're saying, you know, Darrell Daniels is the meat

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Speaker 1: and potatoes in the next couple of years. Max Williams,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's got to stay healthy. Yeah, he signed

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Speaker 1: a two year extension. But I think Daniels knows his

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Speaker 1: role and that's blocking. Cut it down on the mental

667
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Speaker 1: airs and make sure your excel on special teams. In

668
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Speaker 1: other ways, you can't jump offsides or anything. Don't let

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Speaker 1: the guy get behind or you gotta make sure you

670
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Speaker 1: block them up front. So but I do like to

671
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: one two punch. Again. It's not going to be any

672
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Speaker 1: sexy things that they'll do, but they're gonna they're gonna

673
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Speaker 1: be help guys in the in the trenches where physicality

674
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Speaker 1: will be part of the game. As we continue here

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday, probably partner of

676
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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals again, Max Williams, Derrell Daniels are back.

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Speaker 1: Here are the newcomers, Ross Travis, Ian Bunting, Carrie, Angeline, Bruno,

678
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Speaker 1: LaBelle and Bernhard's Psychovits. Travis is the experienced amongst those players.

679
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Speaker 1: He's got twenty five games, including seven starts over a

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Speaker 1: four year carrere. He's had stops with the Chiefs, Colts

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Speaker 1: and Jets. He was a I wouldn't yeah, I guess

682
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Speaker 1: you could see. Yeah. He was a late offseason addition,

683
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Speaker 1: if you will, and I think they were kind of

684
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Speaker 1: looking to increase the depth at tight end. So that's

685
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Speaker 1: why Ross Travis was brought and we'll have to see

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Speaker 1: what he can do come training camp. Then you've got Bunting,

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Speaker 1: who was not on an NFL roster last season. He

688
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Speaker 1: was released on the final roster cuts with the Colts,

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Speaker 1: and then Angeline and LaBelle rookie free agents. Angeline is

690
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Speaker 1: out of NC state, LaBelle went to Cincinnati. So those

691
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Speaker 1: four names right there, can you find someone to be

692
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Speaker 1: that third tied end or the third and fourth tied end,

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Speaker 1: so you don't need to go the free agency routes

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Speaker 1: or try to maybe figure out a way to get

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Speaker 1: zach Ertz out of Philadelphia. I think you look at

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Speaker 1: Angeline and LaBelle, they're completely different. One's pass catcher and

697
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Speaker 1: one's about blocker. To me, those guys got practice squad

698
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Speaker 1: written all over him. We know Psychovitz doesn't count against

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Speaker 1: see ninety man or fifty three man rosters, so he's

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Speaker 1: going to go in the practice squad. And again this year,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to have a extra kicker or a

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00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: punter or a long snapper because of COVID. So I

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Speaker 1: think they're going to load up at certain positions and

704
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: we could see at least two or three tight ends. Well,

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Speaker 1: we know Psychovitz is in there, they could take two

706
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Speaker 1: of these guys, so they're going to flood the position. Normally,

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Speaker 1: you bring six or seven to camp and you keep

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Speaker 1: three on the roster. But I think they're looking at

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Speaker 1: the future at some of these guys, because some of

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00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: these guys opted out and didn't get a chance to

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Speaker 1: play last year. I do want to touch on Psychovis

712
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Speaker 1: because he is certainly an intriguing player in this discussion,

713
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Speaker 1: and whether that's a discussion for this season or seasons

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Speaker 1: to come, but part of that league's international player pathway program.

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Speaker 1: You're right at NJA. He does not count against the roster.

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Speaker 1: He would not count as far as the practice squad

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Speaker 1: if they designate him as such, although if they do

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Speaker 1: think he can be a player this season, then he

719
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Speaker 1: would be one of those practice squad players that you

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Speaker 1: could call up on Friday and be active or available

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Speaker 1: on Sunday. But twenty three years old from Vienna, Austria,

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Speaker 1: six foot five, two hundred and sixty two pounds. Loved

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Speaker 1: his introductory press conference. It might be the quotes of

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Speaker 1: the offseason, maybe even a twenty twenty one. He played

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Speaker 1: soccer when he was younger, but gravitated towards football and

726
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Speaker 1: really likes the physicality of the sport because quote, you

727
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: can do stuff you really can't do in real life.

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Speaker 1: You can hit people, you can just lose your mind.

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Speaker 1: Basically that excites me. End quote. And then he kind

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Speaker 1: of doubled down a little bit on that's on this

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Speaker 1: week's Big Red Rage. He was a guest with Paul

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Speaker 1: Calvesi and Ron Wolfley, and he was asked about again

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Speaker 1: why he so much likes football, and he talked about

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Speaker 1: man handling another guy. Quote, it's a really great feeling

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Speaker 1: end quote. So Psychovitz, and yes, you can call him Psycho.

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Speaker 1: That is his nickname. It's not something that was bestowed

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Speaker 1: upon him by any of us or wolf or anything

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Speaker 1: like that. Psycho that is what he is called in

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00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: the locker room by his friends. So we will do

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Speaker 1: so as well. And it's a perfect fit, not only

741
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Speaker 1: you know, just the banner in which we think he

742
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Speaker 1: plays because of what he has told us about his play.

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Speaker 1: It's just I think I'm holding out hope that there

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Speaker 1: is something there. And maybe it's being too optimistic that

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Speaker 1: the transition will be too much for him, but I

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Speaker 1: am gonna say I'll be optimistic to see the potential

747
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Speaker 1: of what Psychovis can be once things really speed up.

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Speaker 1: OTA's in mini camp it was more of a glorified

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Speaker 1: walk through. He even acknowledged it that wasn't really doing much.

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Speaker 1: I thought the speed would be a lot faster, but

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Speaker 1: as he acknowledged, well, you know you can't do that

752
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Speaker 1: right now. It's gonna pick up come training camp. How

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00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: does he react to full pads full speed. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what, Son Reddick, he wore number forty three.

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00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: This guy wears number forty three six five two sixty two,

756
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Speaker 1: twenty three years old. I just think it's a flyer

757
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: because after this season, you know, another division is going

758
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: to get a chance to some of these international players.

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Speaker 1: I hope he can show enough to where the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: feel like if he can develop, because he looks the part,

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Speaker 1: and I like the way he catches the football. Usually

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Speaker 1: you know, you see some guys catch it with her chest.

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Speaker 1: He runs routes there, Chris, he comes back to the

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Speaker 1: ball and he catches with his hands, and you got

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Speaker 1: to watch him turn up the field. You could see

766
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: he's worked down that. So work in progress. But I

767
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Speaker 1: don't think we're going to see him this year right

768
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: when it comes to the roster. Yeah, and I tend

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Speaker 1: to agree with you again. If he can catch the ball,

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Speaker 1: so that is one aspect, But how is he as

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Speaker 1: far as putting his hand in the dirts and blocking,

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Speaker 1: whether that's a defensive lineman or a linebacker. He's got

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Speaker 1: the body to do it. I'm I'm looking at here.

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00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: Is they could offer him a futures contract after the

775
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: season because he'll be a free agent, so you just

776
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Speaker 1: develop him. But I was intrigued. It's just he's really raw,

777
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: like he's you know, you could see he's he's an athlete.

778
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: He's a physical guy. Like I said, he passes the

779
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: eye test. It's this matter of him like like putting

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Speaker 1: his hand in the dirt. Could he block a defensive end.

781
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 1: You don't want the quarterback to get hit. But that's

782
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: that's all work in progress, and I look forward to

783
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Speaker 1: see him in in the preseason. Imagine if he gets

784
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Speaker 1: a preseason touchdown. No I'm serious, not only if, especially

785
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: if it's a home game, but just and literally burgag

786
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: the international audience and all of a sudden, you have

787
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Speaker 1: another fan, a section of fans across the globe that

788
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 1: are paying attention to your team. That's that's not why

789
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: this program is in place. It's to try to get

790
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: to everyone and an opportunity to become an NFL player

791
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Speaker 1: from other countries like Austria. And I do think it

792
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: certainly benefits the NFL to get more of a reach

793
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Speaker 1: across the world. I mean, I'm not saying throw him

794
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: a bone, but I think you know, when you get

795
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 1: to that third preseason game. Now, who takes the third

796
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: preseason game? Very well done there, But I mean kind

797
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: of reward him. I mean he's got to go out

798
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Speaker 1: there and play. I mean, you're not it's not a

799
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, a charity event. I'm just saying in general,

800
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: it'd be so nice for him. What he's went through

801
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 1: learning the language, didn't have a driver's license, was quarantine

802
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: for fourteen days, and then all of a sudden you

803
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: slide him on the practice squad and you know, it's like,

804
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: it's a great story. I'm rooting for him, There's no

805
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: doubt about that. I like what he had to say

806
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage. As far as the transition,

807
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: not only to the US but to the NFL, everyone

808
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: has has welcomed him with open arms. Max Williams among

809
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: the first players to reach out to him, and I

810
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: think that speaks volumes of what Max is as a person.

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Speaker 1: But someone again in the same position room now, all

812
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Psycho has someone that he can ask

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00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: questions to and you know, maybe follow around a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, he has talking about Psycho, he has

815
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: made an impression. Again, I'll revisit a conversation that Drew

816
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: Grigson had on The Big Red Rage talking about Psycho

817
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: ed Storian rookie Minicamp was picking things up. Well, he

818
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: wasn't swimming. So again, it's a very small sample size

819
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: of what we've seen from him and what we've heard

820
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 1: from him. But because of the situation that we discussed

821
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: at the start of this show as far as needing

822
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Speaker 1: to address the position, can Psycho maybe be an option.

823
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: Maybe he does impress, maybe he does surprise. Maybe it's

824
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: not at the start of the season. Maybe they see

825
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: enough and say, you know what, we're gonna hold off

826
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: right now. Maybe it is later in the year. I

827
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just again I'll be the eternal optimist

828
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: here talking about Psychovis. Yeah, like I said, if he's

829
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: on the field, that's probably not a good thing. And

830
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Speaker 1: I don't mean I mean, I liked the story, but

831
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: we'll have to be realistic here. I don't want people

832
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: to think, well, he's gonna start. I mean, just pump

833
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: the brakes, let him develop. I mean, this is not

834
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Speaker 1: an easy transition. I kind of like saying psych of

835
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Speaker 1: it though, dude, because I can pronounce it. That's true.

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Speaker 1: You always you always give someone a nickname on a

837
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: name that you have difficulty pronouncing, then yeah, Psychovis it

838
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: just kind of rolls off the tongue, even the first name.

839
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Speaker 1: By the way, a very entertaining conversation with Psycho and

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00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley and Paul Calves. You're fatting. In fact, wolf

841
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: even asked to learn a little German as well. So

842
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: that is up on the archives on easy Cardinals dot com.

843
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: But if you want to make sure you never miss

844
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Speaker 1: the palm of your hand on your telephone, all right,

850
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: speaking a tight end. And this is not a knock

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Speaker 1: on Psychovitz because JJ Watt could be targeted more than

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Speaker 1: Psychovitz this year. Now, I don't know clearly, thirty two

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Speaker 1: games missing the last five years. Now you have the numbers.

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Speaker 1: One's the last time that he actually caught a football

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Speaker 1: as a tight end in the NFL. It's been a

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Speaker 1: while m jay. In fact, you gotta go all the

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Speaker 1: way back to twenty fourteen. But he is an intriguing option,

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Speaker 1: if you will, and it has been brought up by

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Speaker 1: enough people, not by JJ Watt himself, But can he

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Speaker 1: be that guy that gets some time on the offensive

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Speaker 1: side of the football. Three career catches, all touchdowns on

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Speaker 1: four targets. Those three touchdowns, though, all came in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't been targeted since twenty fifteen. I guess it

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Speaker 1: depends on I get you know, how well things are

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Speaker 1: going for him defensively, how well the team is performing.

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Speaker 1: Is it a wrinkle that you could put in the

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Speaker 1: offense right now as we speak and then roll it

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Speaker 1: out week twelve, week thirteen as a quote unquote surprise

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Speaker 1: or something that an opposing team is not ready for.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I mean, heck, a year ago at this

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Speaker 1: time people were talking about Lacky Pots as a fullback

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Speaker 1: just because of his rugby background. Didn't see any of

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Speaker 1: that during the regular season, but I'm sure you know

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury very creative. It might be, as you say, a

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Speaker 1: wrinkle in the offense. I mean, if you're thinking you

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Speaker 1: got jj Wate out there wouldn't you want to make

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Speaker 1: sure he's a blocker. But again, it's if you got

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Speaker 1: Hopkins on one side and you know the back shoulder faith.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of throwing it to a

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Speaker 1: smaller receiver. So and then we know Kyler Murray and

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Speaker 1: James Connor and Chase Emmons, so you get down there.

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Speaker 1: But again you don't want to get too cute. But

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Speaker 1: it is something if you work on it for a

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Speaker 1: few weeks and you see the formation because we know

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Speaker 1: the short the field gets a lot shorter, then you

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Speaker 1: roll it out. But something that you don't force just

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Speaker 1: because it's JJ lott No, and you're not gonna surprise

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Speaker 1: a lot of people. I guess when if you do

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Speaker 1: see number ninety nine trotty and out onto the field,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's you're not gonna hide him. Well, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be easy to spot. Yeah, I got a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Then you just line him up as a wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: make him stay out there, and all of a sudden,

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00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: you got they gotta have a guy run out to him,

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Speaker 1: and then they just have James Connor just run it

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Speaker 1: down their throat. We did get a glimpse of what

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Speaker 1: as a wide receiver during I can't remember it was,

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Speaker 1: was it mini camp when he was it was it?

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Speaker 1: OTA's all right, he was first. He was trying to

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Speaker 1: help the defense and lined up as scout team wide

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Speaker 1: receiver and he was running a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: go route against Byron Murphy. Was just trying to help

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Speaker 1: vanch Josie because and he was looking for the over

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Speaker 1: the shoulder throat where he could I think he caught

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Speaker 1: it one hand instead of trash cans. He's like, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no, I'll go out there so you know, first

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Speaker 1: in line for drills and of course first in line

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Speaker 1: if everyone needs an extra wide receiver. Tight end. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean he I didn't even think about him being

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Speaker 1: a tight end. The other arm you can use. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can imagine the thing went out. There were like

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Speaker 1: three tight ends on the goal line. Now you'd have

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Speaker 1: three on the roster if they're active. Three tight ends.

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Speaker 1: JJ Watton like you fot two yeah, and pounded. I

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Speaker 1: don't know about photo because well stationary does he say

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Speaker 1: you don't want to get him in a four point stance? Right? No,

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Speaker 1: By the way, just because we're talking about like you

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Speaker 1: guys are so you're way off here. We would never

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Speaker 1: do any of that stuff. Speaking of way off, if

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Speaker 1: we're gonna bring up JJ Watt, the other option at

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Speaker 1: tight end, which has certainly been a subject all off season,

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Speaker 1: I can I think I can pretty much guarantee it's

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Speaker 1: not but burd Gang in full disclosure. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: all things here on Cardinals cover two, presented by Hunday

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, Larry Fitzgerald. We know

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Speaker 1: he doesn't like to block, but he is certainly very

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Speaker 1: good and he can certainly catch. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he doesn't, he knows as part of the job. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just that's the way he approaches every ever, think

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Speaker 1: everything that's part of the you know, it's just you

931
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Speaker 1: don't want to be one trick pony, according to Todd Haley,

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Speaker 1: and that motivate him. So yeah, I we'll just have

933
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Speaker 1: to wait and see. I don't think we're going to

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Speaker 1: get an announcement whether the Suns are still in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: He would never trump that and maybe you know, we

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Speaker 1: get to August and uh, you know, we see Larry

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Speaker 1: Fitzgerald just won't be as a tight end. I just

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Speaker 1: it's it's just not gonna happen. I had to throw

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Speaker 1: it out there just to make sure we cover all

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Speaker 1: our bases. I just it's it's no, it's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: J J. Watt has better, has better odds of catching

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Speaker 1: a pass than Larry Fitzgerald from the tight end position

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. Yeah, I mean, they have enough

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Speaker 1: slot receivers. I mean, but you could find a role

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Speaker 1: for Larry Fitzgerald, whether there's thirty snaps. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: good on the hands team. He's one of the best

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Speaker 1: hands in football, So you could find a spot for

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Speaker 1: him right now, though, if it's a little bit preoccupied

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Speaker 1: with another team and the valley and that is the

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Speaker 1: Phoenix Suns, certainly want to wish them the best in

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Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals against the Los Angeles Clippers. Is

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Speaker 1: that kind of brings this show full circle? So on

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Speaker 1: that notes, we will put a lid on this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Cover two presented by Hunday, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Almahundro for Mike Jarecki, I'm Craig Rio Lou.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two,