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Speaker 1: for Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Schamplain. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: matter for yourself. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years, I've been on a journey to prove the

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Speaker 1: existence of life after death. On each episode, will discuss

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Speaker 1: the reasons we now know that our loved ones have

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Speaker 1: survived physical death, and so will we. Welcome to Shades

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. Living the life of Sander Champlain. You

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Speaker 1: would think it's all butterflies and roses and hummingbirds and

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Speaker 1: daffodils and unicorns and all the happiest things. Because I

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Speaker 1: get to discover evidence of the afterlife and share it However,

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Speaker 1: just the opposite is true. I think, like every human being,

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Speaker 1: myself and you, of course, we forget who we really are.

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Speaker 1: We may be on the discovery to find that out,

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Speaker 1: listening to good podcasts, reading good books, seeing good YouTube

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Speaker 1: videos on the afterlife, But do we let it sink

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Speaker 1: we can live our best possible life. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I really don't think so. If we lived life where

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Speaker 1: we'd probably be in heaven, I joke. But being here

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Speaker 1: Have you noticed, I bet you've done some pretty incredible things.

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Speaker 1: And Ellis Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Hello, Sandra, Oh,

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Speaker 1: So would you be willing to share some stories? Well,

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a L dot com. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and I'm here

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Speaker 1: with Near Death Experience researcher and Ellis and and before

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Speaker 1: our breaks we are on some great conversations. Well, one

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Speaker 1: about hypnosis and one about that gentleman who had the

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Speaker 1: alcohol addiction. And when I think about hypnosis, I remember

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Speaker 1: discussion about hypnosis and near death experiences, and our brains

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Speaker 1: can retrieve all kinds of things and very interesting. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people don't remember their near death experiences, but

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Speaker 1: during hypnosis, some amazing things are uncovered. Even like you say,

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Speaker 1: When I studied hypnosis many years ago, I ended up

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Speaker 1: doing some regressions and people remembered things from just being

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Speaker 1: babies that there's no way that they could have those

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Speaker 1: by parents and other things that it wasn't something they

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Speaker 1: remembered from a photograph. So our minds are very powerful.

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Speaker 1: And also that powerful light that surrounds us all that

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Speaker 1: we are unaware of, that divine source. For that gentleman

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Speaker 1: to have that experience and hear the voice and change

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Speaker 1: his life around is pretty magnificent. By no, near death

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Speaker 1: experiences can bring on powerful healings. And I also know

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Speaker 1: that there are these moments that are almost angelic, that

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Speaker 1: something happens that turns our life around. And your book

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Speaker 1: you talk about the love that comes from a near

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Speaker 1: death experience. Can we talk about this, what you learned,

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Speaker 1: what you think, and what you think the point is

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Speaker 1: of all of this. It's far beyond what I originally thought.

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Speaker 1: I had a mystical experience when I was thirty two.

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Speaker 1: I was in a chapel praying, and I opened my

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Speaker 1: and it just kept coming until I felt like I

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Speaker 1: I could feel my heart open and soften. And then

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Speaker 1: it stopped as quickly as it had begun. And I

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Speaker 1: of that chaplain. I didn't say anything to anyone for

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Speaker 1: twenty five years. I didn't share this, but I walked

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Speaker 1: out and I saw a different world, and I was

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Speaker 1: a different person and everybody that I looked at. While

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Speaker 1: I was driving to my job, I saw a squirrel

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Speaker 1: run up a tree. I felt all this love go

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Speaker 1: out of me to that squirrel. And I saw a

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Speaker 1: lady waiting for the bus to go to her domestic job,

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Speaker 1: wearing her uniform, and all this love went ahead of

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Speaker 1: me to her. I knew that I had been changed.

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Speaker 1: I thought I never knew what love was, that this

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Speaker 1: is what love is, and I just felt so warm

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Speaker 1: and full of it and tingly, and my vision was

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Speaker 1: even better. I could see colors brighter. I started calling

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Speaker 1: it like a born again. I feel like any of

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Speaker 1: these mystical openings can open us to a whole new world,

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Speaker 1: or a way of looking at our world that we

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Speaker 1: never knew existed. And I decided to investigate love. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to know about the continuity of love between this

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Speaker 1: side and the other side, and sure enough I found

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Speaker 1: near death experiencers who said love is the only thing

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Speaker 1: you take with you, that love never dies. Anybody that

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Speaker 1: you loved here or on the other side, you will

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Speaker 1: always love them, and once you get to the other side,

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Speaker 1: all of the baggage and veils and problems will fall away,

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Speaker 1: and the only thing that will be left is our

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Speaker 1: love for each other. I love that as a woman

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Speaker 1: that spends a lot of time beating up on myself

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Speaker 1: and not good enough and should have done this, and

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that. To have that disappear and have

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Speaker 1: only love present is certainly something very profound to look

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Speaker 1: forward to. But I think we can have that here too, right,

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Speaker 1: some work, but it's a little harder here, no. I.

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Speaker 1: And when I was writing my book, and especially near

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Speaker 1: the end, I just could feel my guides there with me.

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Speaker 1: And I could feel Jesus when I read stories about Jesus,

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Speaker 1: I was putting him in the inde. I could feel

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Speaker 1: the other side. You know, I just felt like I

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Speaker 1: wasn't alone. I felt filled with that love again. And

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Speaker 1: after I published the book, I wasn't immersed in this

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Speaker 1: material all day every day, so I missed that. So

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Speaker 1: this year I'm writing a blog about love and my

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Speaker 1: goal was to find love in my heart every day,

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Speaker 1: which is my discipline of choice. And I'm successful some

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Speaker 1: days and some days I'm not. Some days I'm working

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Speaker 1: on getting rid of the anger that that's covering up

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Speaker 1: some of the love, of course, but that's because you're human.

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Speaker 1: And let me ask you a question right now sharing

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Speaker 1: your story, are you filled with love right now? Whenever

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Speaker 1: I talk about the love, I get a dose of

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Speaker 1: it again. And the way I can tell that is

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Speaker 1: I feel it in my heart. Sometimes Usually I can

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Speaker 1: feel my heart shift and I also feel tingly I

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Speaker 1: can tell when I'm connecting into that love frequency again.

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Speaker 1: But holding onto it on this plane has proved more

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Speaker 1: difficult than I thought it was going to. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think if it was easy, there would be no sense

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Speaker 1: of coming here. But I think this here on earth

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Speaker 1: plane is where we get these learning experiences. And there's

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Speaker 1: a little trick for you and for everyone listening to

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Speaker 1: kind of invoke that love feeling inside. And this is

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Speaker 1: also a good trick if you experience somebody who's having

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Speaker 1: a bad day or somebody who's complaining, And it can

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Speaker 1: be as simple as getting into a conversation with somebody

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Speaker 1: and asking them in the big picture of what they

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Speaker 1: love about their life. And you might not come right

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Speaker 1: out and ask that, but you might say something like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you have three kids, you know, tell me about when

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Speaker 1: your first child was born. And I was talking to

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Speaker 1: a man who was just in a grumpy mood and

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get him off it. And then I thought, well, Sandra,

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Speaker 1: I know this practice. So he and I just said, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're married, how many kids for? And I said, oh,

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Speaker 1: what was that like the first time you know your

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Speaker 1: first child? Well, he ended up transforming into the most beautiful,

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Speaker 1: loving a man by telling his own story, and the

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Speaker 1: rest of the time I spent with him, he was

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Speaker 1: asking me about my life and what I love. And

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Speaker 1: it's really like putting in a practice to be loving.

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Speaker 1: And I think by you writing more right, having your

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Speaker 1: blog and even selfishly, I can be honest. Part of

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Speaker 1: me creating this radio show is I too forget. I

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Speaker 1: forget that I wrote a book and I'm living my

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Speaker 1: day forgetting that there's a bigger picture. And every guest

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Speaker 1: I've interviewed, I get goose bumps. I'm restored again to

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture. And we are human beings and we

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Speaker 1: do have bad days and we do forget. But to

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Speaker 1: have some kind of practice putting in that we remember

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Speaker 1: who we are. It's maybe even listening to this show,

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Speaker 1: or as you're driving in the car, having a book

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Speaker 1: on tape or something that can be inspiring and can

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Speaker 1: invoke that love response in you because and we've never met,

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Speaker 1: and I am feeling so much love right now. It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I know, it feels so good. And my book is

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Speaker 1: on tape on CD that you can play in your car,

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Speaker 1: and I've got an MP three version that you can

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Speaker 1: put on your computer and listen to me reading it.

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Speaker 1: I thank you for being our guest today, and I

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Speaker 1: want to tell our listeners the name of your book

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Speaker 1: again is Revelations of Profound Love. New Insights into the

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Speaker 1: Power of Love from Near Death Experiences. And it's available

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Speaker 1: on Amazon, and in the description it says it pulls

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Speaker 1: from over one hundred near death accounts to illustrate the

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Speaker 1: different aspects of love commonly found in NDEs. The uplifting

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Speaker 1: insights shared by experiencers reveal that the nature of love

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Speaker 1: is greater than we ever imagined. Now, any one of

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Speaker 1: us who have read the Bible no this quote from

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Speaker 1: one Corinthian's four through eight. Love is patient, Love is kind.

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Speaker 1: It does not envy, It does not boast. It is

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Speaker 1: not proud. It does not dishonor others. It is not

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Speaker 1: self seeking. It is not easily angered. It keeps no

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Speaker 1: record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but

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Speaker 1: rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes,

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Speaker 1: always persevers. Love never fails. I just thought that would

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Speaker 1: be a nice thing to read to remind us of

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Speaker 1: the power of love. Unfortunately, when someone we care for

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Speaker 1: deeply dies, physically dies. Anyways, we go through a tremendous

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Speaker 1: grieving process. And I've said it before, the more we love,

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Speaker 1: the more it hurts. So if we look at grief

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Speaker 1: as a barometer for how much we can love, you

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Speaker 1: can actually see that you have a huge capacity to love.

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Speaker 1: Take my advice, like I did that little exercise on

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Speaker 1: that grumpy man, the people in your life. Get them

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Speaker 1: involved in a conversation about what they love. Have fun

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Speaker 1: with it, don't let them know you're doing it, and

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Speaker 1: see if you can get them to recall some of

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Speaker 1: their favor fforite times, favorite stories, favorite experiences, favorite foods,

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Speaker 1: may be. And watch to see how much love fills

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Speaker 1: their heart and how happy they are. And what will

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Speaker 1: probably happen is they will turn and ask you the

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Speaker 1: very same question, and so you'll get the response as well.

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Speaker 1: So we have one last break and then we'll be back.

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Speaker 1: you meet the most fantastic people. Hi. I'm Tom. Hi,

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Speaker 1: I'm Jennifer. What brings you here? Yeah, I'm here to

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Speaker 1: wherever you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades

671
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we are talking

672
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: about love and the afterlife. I want to share with

673
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: you now to short stories from my friend Brandy. I

674
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: met her at a seminar and we got talking about

675
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: life after death and I recorded her sharing these two

676
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: special stories that I think you will really enjoy and

677
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: that you realize that love never dies. Let's listen. So

678
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: me and my mom loved John Edwards when he had

679
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: a show Crossing Over and we used to watch it

680
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: every day. If we couldn't watch it, we taped it

681
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: so we didn't miss the day. So both her and

682
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: I made an agreement because I traveled around the world

683
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: and so she was worried about me, and so we

684
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: had an agreement at that time, like whoever died first,

685
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: we had meeted John Edward, so when she was dying. Yeah,

686
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: it's good. It's good to make a meeting if you

687
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: have these beliefs. Since it's good to make an agreement

688
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 1: with the people you love, you know, it's like we knew.

689
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: So when she died. When she was dying, I said,

690
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: remember mom when we were meeting, she said, yep, John

691
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: Edward and so um. After she died, I went to

692
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: see where he was going to be speaking closest to

693
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 1: me because he was no longer on TV and he

694
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: was traveling around the United States and a lot of

695
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: times it's like people in an event and at best

696
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 1: ten people get ready. So I looked to see when

697
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: she was he was going to be speaking the closest

698
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: to me, and was on her actual birthday, August fourteen,

699
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, that's the one. That's the one

700
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: we have to go to. And so I told my

701
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: dad and he decided to go just because to console

702
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: me when she didn't come through, because he thought, when

703
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 1: you died, you died, you went to dust and so yeah.

704
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: And then I had a boyfriend come too because he

705
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: thought was all b S and he was going to

706
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: come just to prove that it was all BS right, right,

707
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: So I came there with my two skeptics, normally the

708
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: skeptics that gets read because they needed the most. Because

709
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: my mother watched him for so long, she knew how

710
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: to get his attention before everybody else. So he was

711
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: doing what he normally does. He says, you know, when

712
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: I say above you, I mean this, and he goes, okay,

713
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: and just women, I'm coming over here with a mother

714
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: energy and he goes, okay, if I say the decides you,

715
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: I mean this, and I say belloo, I mean this. Okay,

716
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: I have a mother energy right here who died of

717
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: a brain tumor. And so I jump up and he's

718
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: pointing right at me, right you know how he gets

719
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: pulled to a direction and so I jump up, and

720
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, he's like really specific. He's saying, who's Patricia

721
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: And we go her sister and he goes so she's saying,

722
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: tell her high, and said, who's Jenny. That's you know,

723
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: Patricia's daughter. She did say, tell her high. And then

724
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: he goes to my dad. He says, um, she's telling

725
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: me to tease you about a man and a little

726
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: bo peep outfit you full on with the bonnet and

727
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: the staff, And all of a sudden, I look at

728
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: my dad and he just starts brying instantly, and I'm

729
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: and my my boyfriend, who's there that they're meeting for

730
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 1: the first time, like my dad's like almost collapsing. He's

731
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: like catching my father. My dad's right like almost collapsing, crying.

732
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: So here you know, my skept a boyfriend is going,

733
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, the skeptic dad is being affected by

734
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: this right crying. And so anyways, and me and my

735
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: dad were having this kind of a lot of fighting

736
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: during this time period with my mom's death, and so

737
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: it was until afterwards, so the reading I got to

738
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: find out what that was about. And it was because

739
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: when my dad had well, my mom had died, he

740
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: had gone to a park in which him and my

741
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: mother used to go to all the time, is right

742
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: next to a river, and just walk next to this

743
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: river and crying. And then he sat on a bench

744
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: that's next to river that him and my mother used

745
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: to sit on, and he was had his hands down

746
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: and his head crying, and then all of a sudden,

747
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: he felt an arm around him and he looked up

748
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: and it was a man, a little bo peep outfit

749
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: with the bonnet with staff, yeah, consoling him, but also

750
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,280
Speaker 1: kind of flirting with him too. Oh my gosh. So

751
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: he never told anybody this ever, and so he knew

752
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: that there's no way that John could have known this,

753
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: but if it wasn't you know, my mother saying that

754
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: she was there, And so that made made my dad

755
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: a believer because um, and my mom knew she had

756
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: to tell him something that he couldn't justify, right, that

757
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: you couldn't guess that, Oh, he probably said something that

758
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, could be similar to everybody. That's awesome. What

759
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: an awesome story was just at the park and the

760
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: little bo peep and yeah, that's pretty cool. And how

761
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: it transformed him so much was that, you know, like

762
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: it was it was her birthday, so he went and

763
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: took her out to her favorite restaurant that night for

764
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: her birthday, he took her to her favorite show and

765
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 1: he had a seat next to him and he held

766
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 1: her hand during the whole show. And special, isn't that?

767
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: And then afterwards, all of a sudden, I found out

768
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: he's sneaking off to scene where John Edward's going to

769
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: be close to him again, so he could try to

770
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: have you know, another connection. And he started experiencing things

771
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: around the house that you know, he wouldn't have ever

772
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: probably experienced if he didn't have this new belief. So

773
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: like for instance, my mom and dad had his and

774
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: her sinks and their master bedrooms. And on her side

775
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: there was one of those you know push push soaps,

776
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: the bottle soaps that you pushed than down to get

777
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: the sofa. Well on her side, all of a sudden,

778
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: the soap starts spewing out like he only used his

779
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: I did never even use that side, right, It just

780
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: starts spewing out any there, like just musical like music

781
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: boxes and stuff like that would start playing music, yeah,

782
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: without anything. So she started letting him know that she

783
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: was around, and you know, he wasn't freaked out, he now,

784
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, and it was beautiful. So you

785
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: said something about a near death experience. Did you yourself

786
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: have a near death experience? Yeah? So in two thousand eight,

787
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: I was in Fiji. I went hikings in the jungle

788
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: there in the rainforest. You know, I don't remember any

789
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: of this part, but they say it was a really wet,

790
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 1: narrow trail and then there was this log that was

791
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: blocking it. But we made it down there safely and

792
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: saw the hermit and we were on our way back

793
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: up and everybody else was way ahead of me, and

794
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: then me and the and then there was one guy

795
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: way behind us and the guide was helping me over

796
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: this log and him and I both fell and I

797
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: don't know why, but it only the guide knows, and

798
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: I never saw him again, so I don't know what happened.

799
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: I hit my head on a rock on my way down.

800
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: The guy that was way behind he just saw the

801
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: guide holding somebody's hand falling, but he didn't know who

802
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 1: it was by the time he came up, so he

803
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: went down climbing down there, and he then was there

804
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: with me and why like everybody else went and got help,

805
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: And what he experienced me was just kind of being

806
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: gone for about half an hour, and then I came

807
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: to and was, you know, vomiting, And then I was like,

808
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: where am I? What happened? Right? And then and then

809
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: he would tell me, and then I would I would

810
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: ask him the same question over and over and over again.

811
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: But what I experienced was crossing, like kind of just

812
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: ending up in this other dimension. And there was my mother.

813
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: She didn't look how I saw her when she died.

814
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: So when she died, she had gray hair. She was

815
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: fifty nine years old, but she wasn't dying her hair

816
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,919
Speaker 1: and her hair was gray, and so she didn't look

817
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: how she she looked when she I saw her last,

818
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 1: but she looked like when she was in her thirties.

819
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: But I didn't put it together. It was like my

820
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: first response was just like, oh my god, Mom, you're alive.

821
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: All that was a bad dream, Like I thought everything

822
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: else that had had happened was all just a bad dream,

823
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: and that this was real and that she was alive.

824
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: It was kind of like this beautiful green grass area

825
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: and kind of hilly and flowers all around, and I

826
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: had all of my deceased animals around me too, and

827
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: I could like, oh yeah, yeah, and it's like I

828
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: could really feel them. It was like, you know, I

829
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: could feel my horse had her head over my shoulder

830
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: and it was like breathing, you know, on my on

831
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: my neck. And then I was sitting on the ground

832
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: and I could feel my cat just kind of rubbing it's,

833
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: you know, behind my legs, and um my dogs like

834
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: their heads in my lap, and it was so awesome.

835
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: You're just like, you know, surrounded by by this love

836
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: as you know, you know from I think everybody has

837
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: shared with you, and I think even from your own experiences,

838
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: the amazing amount of love that you feel there right

839
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: this unexplainable amount of love, enjoy and happiness, and so

840
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: you don't want to leave that bestially when you're there

841
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: with the ones that you love the most and you

842
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: never wanted to be separate from. Yeah, but you seem

843
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: to wake back up. But I was told that I

844
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: had to come back, and part of why I had

845
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: to be taken over there actually was to put me

846
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: put me in my body, because I I spent most

847
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: of my life not going to be there, that I

848
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: wasn't really fully being really living. People would a lot

849
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: of times also experienced me that I was, you know,

850
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: kind of upip my head, you know, I just never

851
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: really integrated into the body. And so they were, you know,

852
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: showing me all this and that I needed to fully

853
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: you know, be my body and fully um experienced life.

854
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: Our sound quality broke up there at the end, but

855
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: Brandy went on to say that she could fully embrace

856
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: being in the body she was in as opposed to

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Speaker 1: don't need to have a near experience to know that

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Speaker 1: the afterlife is real. We can learn from other people.

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Speaker 1: We can live as if it is real because it

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Speaker 1: We'd love for you to be part of the community.

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Speaker 1: Go to we Don't Die dot com. You can join

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Speaker 1: You can ah There's bunches of things, and of course

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Speaker 1: thank you for taking the time to listen today. I'm

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Speaker 1: so grateful you're part of our community. I'm Sander Champlain

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