1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot com. 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it pot? Oh? My goodness, 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: it's put DeAndre open? He put it for dockdown. You've 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: gotta be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, presented by 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. Problem solved, 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on, Bring 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker like 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared 14 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. You know, I feel like 15 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: off the top of Cardinals Underground, just because it is August, 16 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: just because the preseason has started that there are legal 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: liabilities that exists that mandate we have a preseason disclaimer 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: of sorts. Darren Urman, something that goes along the lines 19 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: of and since you have no idea what I'm talking about. 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: I just feel I feel the need to cite that 21 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: once upon a time the Detroit Lions went undefeated in 22 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: the preseason. Do you know the record that regular season? Well, 23 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: I can't say for sure that's the only time they've 24 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: ever gone undefeated in the preseason, But if you're referring 25 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: to their own sixteen regular season year, yes they were 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: undefeated in the preseason. Yes, thank you for working with me. 27 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm doing what I can off the top 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: here of Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation, 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Aros on our Cardinals. I just 30 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: feel like we need to absolve ourselves of any legal 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: liabilities for anything we might say here in the preseason 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: in the month of August, because once again, the games 33 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: don't count, but it doesn't mean they don't matter. Old 34 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: Takes Exposed is always listening, pauls right. So there, for example, 35 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: things that we see, things that we think we've seen, 36 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: and then information that we seek out. I got the 37 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: answer to a Cards Camp mystery within the last twenty 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: four hours that I've been wondering about, just a curiosity 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: I guess would be a better description. I'm dying to 40 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: know what it might be. One exactly does Chandler Jones way, 41 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: what is his plane weight? Right now? You laugh? I 42 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: do laugh? Could you not hear me? I mean you're 43 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: doing a dramatic reenactment of Ron Wolfley on the sideline. 44 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: When I brought up this issue a couple of years ago, 45 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: when he got off to a slow start, I think 46 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: it was his seventeen sack season. If you remember the 47 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: first few games, it was the plus size Chandler Jones. 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: He was closer to two eighty and then as soon 49 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: as he lost some of the weight, boom he went off. 50 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: He had near a record setting sacks season. Well you 51 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: tell me, Darren Urban, the moment you saw Chandler Jones 52 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: out of that field, did you not think, Wow, he 53 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: looks in great shape. Well, I mean you would think so. 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he is playing for a contract, and usually 55 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: that's one of those first things that the players do. 56 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: You control what you can troll, and certainly being in 57 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: the best shape you can be. I do I do remember, 58 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: I know he came in heavier one year in twenty 59 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: eighteen on purpose because Steve Wilkes wanted him to be 60 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: a little bit bigger. That might have been the year actually, 61 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: and that didn't go very well. But that was because 62 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: they asked him to do that, and I think he 63 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: knew right away that that wasn't going to work very well. 64 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 1: That's true. And you know what, that is an apt 65 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: reminder and a clarification on my earlier observation. Remember maybe 66 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: when you were in second or third grade and the 67 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: school teacher would put the jar of jelly beans, and 68 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: I did not wait two eighty and second grade, Paul, 69 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: and have everybody take a guess as to how many 70 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: jelly beans? What do you think Chandler Jones playing weight 71 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: is right here right now, Card's Camp twenty twenty one. 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: Take a guess, because I got the answer. Oh you 73 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: do have the answer. Source is very close to number 74 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: fifty five. Tell me, I'm gonna go with two fifty three. 75 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: That's wow, that's bold, that's light. I think that would 76 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: be the lightest in his career. He's at two sixty 77 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: four right now. Okay, So I'm all so, I just 78 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: but to me, I mean, he looks it's the way 79 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: he wears the two sixty four them, Yes, and you know, 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: he has been oppressive in these camp you know, you're 81 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: not going to see him in the preseason. I don't 82 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: think at all. Perhaps maybe in game number three. Maybe 83 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: it's just a gut field just a guess. See, we 84 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: were talking about that thout Paul, and I don't want 85 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: to get derailed here, but I mean game three is 86 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: on artificial turf. I'm very leary about that. Yeah, that 87 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: is true. Although a lot of teams, and we talked 88 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: about this, are treating preseason game number three this year 89 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: just like they've always treated preseason game number three, just 90 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: because there's such a gap between the final preseason game 91 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: and the start of the regular season. But I just, 92 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: you know, that's just one of intriguing curiosity I've had 93 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: and a camp cards, camp mystery salt off the very top. 94 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: So so you you have sources at the highest levels, 95 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: if you're getting weights like that, it's just, you know, 96 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: I just it was something I was I was trying 97 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: to discern, as do exactly where he was in the 98 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: process if he will. So look there you here we are, 99 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: And I'm curious, you know, when you look at what 100 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: went down on Friday night in that win at the 101 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: very end. First off, it was good to be on 102 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: the winning side of a map prat game ending field goal, 103 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: was it not? Hey? Bottom line is the Cardinals get 104 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: the big win. I believe the Diamebacks won that night 105 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,679 Speaker 1: and got a no header the next night. Clearly we've 106 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: wiped the palette of the Valley fans after the finals loss, 107 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: and they're all feeling good about victories again. You know 108 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: what I think it is. I think it's a humidity 109 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: I was doing. Did I mention that I am see 110 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: this breakfast with Roger Goodell recently as I do the 111 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: name dropper portion of Cardinals Underground? You might, but you're 112 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: going to do it again. Roger and his dead pan 113 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: humor minus the leather armchair, by the way, which is 114 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: on display currently in the Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio. 115 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: Roger Goodell one point made a joke about the weather 116 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: in Arizona, and he just said, where's this dry heat 117 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: I've heard about? If you look to your right here 118 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: in this lovely loft at Stay from Stadium, look at 119 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: the condensation that's true on the front of the refrigerator 120 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: here in the loaf. That's the humidity. I don't know 121 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: about your yard, but the growth at cossakel VC is 122 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: off the hook. I've had plants that I thought were 123 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: dead for two years that have come back, and I 124 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: think maybe there's a metaphor there for Cardinals Camp twenty 125 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: twenty one. What do you think about that, Darren? It's 126 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: something you could use maybe as a lead to one 127 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: of your stories, just about the humidity, the humidity making 128 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: the Cardinals relevant again, always saying the growth and maybe 129 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: it's spurred. Aw it's a growth spurt in valley sports 130 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: here in August. I guess that's better than saying they're 131 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: just sweating more training camp maybe, although you know, don't 132 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: get the old timers in here because they don't notice 133 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: any sweat going on at these kind of training camps. 134 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: You know, give me a few takeaways from the nineteen 135 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 1: sixteen win against Dallas. I'm guessing you're gonna start with 136 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: a draft class, I am. Although you said the nineteen 137 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: sixteen win, I'm like, where the Cowboys and Cardinals playing 138 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixteen? Did I see? That's what happens when 139 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: you're saying one thing and you're looking at something else 140 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: on your phone. I mean, how do you not look 141 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: at the rookie class, Paul, I mean all shimately, you know, 142 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: the results don't matter. Kyler Murray doesn't play, and so 143 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: the first thing you're thinking is these young players, and 144 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: most of them are rookies, and we we've been talking about, 145 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, how much impact is Rondale More going to 146 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: have on the offense this year? How much impact can 147 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: Zavian Collins and even Isaiah Simmons have in the middle 148 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: of that defense. And even Eno Benjamin, who's a guy 149 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: who there's so many fans that are desperate to see 150 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: him going forward as a functioning part of the team, 151 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: will maybe even just get dressed once, which he wasn't 152 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: last year. And I thought he showed some things. So 153 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: I mean, those are those are the things that I noticed. 154 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: I mean, they could have gotten whacked on the scoreboard 155 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: and I still would have those are the things I 156 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: would have looked at, and I thought those were probably 157 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: the best things. Again within the prism of it's the 158 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: first preseason game in YadA, YadA, YadA. I mean the 159 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: fact that we can have a legitimate debate right here, 160 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: right now as to which draft pick acquitted himself the best. 161 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: That says it all good. I mean we could legitimately argue, 162 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: did Zavian Collins have a better first showing or Rondel 163 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Moore or Marco Wilson. Marco Wilson had a very good game. 164 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: I saw the Pro Football Focus grades and he was 165 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: the second highest defender after Byron Murphy. They said he 166 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: had six targets, three forced incompletions, which for all the analytics, 167 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's still a subjective rating system that goes 168 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: into a formula. I mean, there's still subjectivity that goes 169 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: into the formula, but their subjectivity when the coaches look 170 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: at the tape to so, you know, so as opposed 171 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: to Tay Gowan who had five targets. So you know, 172 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff you just can't get, not 173 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: to that degree, not to that level of competitiveness. As 174 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: hard as you go into practice, nothing is going to 175 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: replicate those game atmospheres, albeit a preseason game. And yes, 176 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: everything was vanilla for the most part, although as Drew 177 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: stan pointed out, more than one stan Quinn didn't hesitate, 178 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,719 Speaker 1: he didn't hesitate to bring some blitz packages. And you know, 179 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: it's vanilla with a few sprinkles, as we like to say, 180 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: there was some flavoring there at times, and it tested 181 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, But yeah, how can you not come away 182 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: from preseason game number one and they talk about Davin 183 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: Collins the first run play he's ever faced, and it's 184 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: a tackle for loss. Just the fact that he knew 185 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: where to be, that he was able to read and react, 186 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: because for all the athleticism in the world, if you 187 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: don't know where to be, or it's one half of 188 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: a false step, you're not going to be in position 189 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: to make a play well. And the first thing I 190 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: noticed was that was the first run play, the first 191 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: play which was the play before play action, and you 192 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: did see Zaven Collins and Isaiah Simmons running up to 193 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: like hit the gap and they put the brake on. 194 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: Now it worked out okay, And I think Marcus Golden 195 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: also got caught on that play and they swung it 196 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: outside and Marcus Golden was the outside linebacker there. But 197 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: you know, those are the things you can't I mean, 198 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: when you talk about getting in the reps, you can't. 199 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: You can't get better than that. We had a little 200 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: sound system going on today. It was before the game. 201 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: I had to do the two men pregame TV interview 202 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: with Cliff Kingsbury, and my question to the head coach was, 203 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: all right, how best to describe the challenge that is 204 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: on the play of your rookie middle linebacker wearing the 205 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: green dot and having to call the defense. He said, 206 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: you know what, it's a notch behind being a rookie quarterback. 207 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: That's how demanding it is. That's a degree of difficulty 208 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: that Zavian Collins is facing here in the preseason, trying 209 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: to get ready for Week one at the Titans, and 210 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: you no one else. I was talking to someone on 211 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: the sideline. I just duck this in right now. The 212 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: game against the Titans. I think everyone flinches to some 213 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: degree for two reasons. One Derrick Henry. Number two, well, 214 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned the play action, but it could be worse 215 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: in terms of an offense. What if you were going 216 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: against a Niners offense with all the complexities in the 217 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: pre snap motions and all the misdirection something that Sean 218 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: mcvayh excells in as well. What if you were opening 219 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: with the Rams or the forty nine ers in those 220 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: offenses versus a Titans offense. Said look for all success 221 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: and it's top five rankings and one of the top 222 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: scoring offenses and the exploits of Derrick Henry a two 223 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: thousand yard Russia, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Guess what, 224 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be easier for Zavin Collins 225 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: a week one to read and react and discern exactly 226 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: what that offense is doing versus a Kyle Shannon or 227 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. I think that's fair. Although it's not like 228 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to. I mean, the forty nine ers 229 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: and Rams are both on the schedule fairly quickly after that, 230 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: within a month or so. True, so he's not gonna 231 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: have that much experience when he sees them, you know, 232 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I think I think 233 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: when we start talking about levels of when it comes 234 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: to the experience with the Zavin Collins, let's say, and 235 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,599 Speaker 1: then the levels of what he has to feel, I 236 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: don't know if there's that much difference, Like, I don't 237 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:51,319 Speaker 1: know if he's if he's how do I want to 238 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: put this. I'm struggling with the words here. Paul I 239 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: would say that I don't know if it's that much 240 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: different for him in his position to be going against 241 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: the heightens as opposed to the forty nine ers. I 242 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: don't know if there's that, there is other motions and 243 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, but ultimately I would think NFL 244 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: play action. If you're getting sucked up on one, you 245 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: might be getting sucked up on all. And that's so 246 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm still very interested to see how he deals with 247 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: it week one. By the way, I have the Vikings 248 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: marked down as a decisive w in Week two based 249 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: on what I saw the Vikings or lack thereof against 250 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: the Broncos. I watched some of that preseason something disappointing you, Paul. 251 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean, the Vikings look horrendous, and once again I 252 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: go back to the very top of Cardinals Underground, brought 253 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: to you by Pacific Office Automation prop partner of the 254 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: Arizon our Cardinals. You can only read so much and 255 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: don't read virtually anything into the preseason, but when the 256 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: Vikings look that bad, it really does make you wonder 257 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: as to how exactly their season is going to track. 258 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: So right now I have the Cardinals installed as at 259 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: least a touchdown favorite against the Vikings in Week two. 260 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I thought Kyle was the one who 261 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: went to work for the betting service. Speaking of pre 262 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: snap motion, how about Rondell More? Yeah, can you not 263 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: tell me that the Cardinals did not run those two 264 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: plays A little end around, a little handoff, a little 265 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: jet sweep, get Rondale More involved here and there. You 266 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: can't tell me they didn't put that on film for 267 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. I mean, clearly, Cliff Kingsbury is just 268 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: tired of you railing on him, Paul about not being 269 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: able to get some of these things in for the preseason. Hey, 270 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: Cliff said, I'm gonna treat this differently than the last 271 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: time it was in the preseason, and he did. And 272 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: the first question, by the way, you followed up on 273 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: me talking top by actually delivering and asking the questions. 274 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come clean right now, Paul, And I'm gonna 275 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: say when that guy suggested it on Twitter about Hey, 276 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: it was good that the question got asked, Paul asked, 277 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I did it. I didn't follow up 278 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: on this, but I'm like I had completely forgotten that 279 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: part of the podcast conversation and in reality, and I 280 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: don't know if you heard the whole thing, but like 281 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: my question wasn't even directly about that. I just said, 282 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: as a coach, what are you trying to get out 283 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: of the preseason? We always about what the players are 284 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: trying to get well, as a coach, if you're not 285 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: game planning, what are you trying? And I was actually 286 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: aiming back towards what he had said earlier in camp, 287 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: where he was saying how he doesn't really like the 288 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: preseason because as he likes to be able to open 289 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: up the playbook and you're not allowed to do that 290 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: and you can't get all exciting. And then he kind 291 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: of offered up the you know, as I've said before, 292 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: I made a mistake trying to hide stuff, and I 293 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: thought that was good. And when I saw that play 294 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: to Rondale Moore where it was the fake quick screen 295 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: and then the kind of the Statue of Liberty esque 296 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: handoff to Rondale Moore, I'm like, that is a play 297 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: that never ever would have seen the light of day 298 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: in the twenty nineteen Presa. No, so when you asked 299 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: the question, you do not reference twenty nineteen. No, you 300 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: didn't say then and now. No, I just said, what 301 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: are you trying to get out of it? And and 302 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: props the cliff We we like to joke about how 303 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: he doesn't really give us anything, but that was that 304 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: was a good quote, and I wish I could say 305 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: it was in the back of my mind after the podcast, 306 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: and I'm just trying to pick up for Paul, and 307 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: reality is is sometimes you just you know, blind squirrel. 308 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: You should have put you should have put a flex 309 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: emoji on that response, by the way, via Twitter, that's 310 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: what you should have done when you took credit for 311 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: asking the question, as you should have. Here's the thing 312 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: he said in that same press conference. A little bit later, 313 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: We're still not going to show very much, right I did. 314 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: I mean it was not a little bit later. I 315 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: think it was the very next question. Here's my conclusion. Look, 316 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: they're still not showing very much. I think that was 317 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: about it. The Rondelle more than you just reference. We 318 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: just talked about. But what made twenty nineteen so much worse, 319 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: I think is they weren't even themselves. They were actually 320 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: running a different system yea than they ever actually intended 321 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: to run in the regular season. And I think that 322 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: ultimately is the quote mistake that Kingsbury references. I agree 323 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: with you. I think ultimately it was that they weren't 324 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: just trying to hide what they were going to do. 325 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: They were trying to everything, which I don't even know. 326 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't even know how you pull that off, 327 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: which they didn't really. They didn't look very good in 328 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: that first game, and you know they were kind of 329 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: flying on the sea of their pants. But so you'll 330 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: know it was successful. Rondelle Moore, what you put on 331 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: film in the preseason. This is my projection. If on 332 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: the first series he goes in motion on a jet sweep, 333 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: whether it's fake or you give him the ball or not, 334 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: and the entire Titans front seven is pointing and going there, 335 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: He's eighty five, sort of like a Tyreek Hill effect. 336 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: If the whole front seven and the Titans reacts to 337 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore in motion, you'll obviously know, Okay, it worked. 338 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: Whatever Cliff King's very put on film in August and 339 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: translated to September and had that desired effect. So we 340 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: have our eye in that. Rondel Moore was effective. Three 341 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: grabs for twenty three yards. He had two rushes for 342 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: sixteen yards. And I'll tell you what you watch and 343 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: we just did. You watch the individual drills and the 344 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: receivers are going through you know the cones and around 345 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: the trash cans and all this sort of stuff. And 346 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: there's no doubt he has the elite quickness. That's his 347 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: area of expertise. Yeah, but the guy right behind him 348 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: is Greg dor Yeah, and he made a heck of 349 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: a catch. Yeah he did. And did he not just 350 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: cost Jojo Award his job because they're essentially the same 351 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: type of receiver and Jojo Award within a few hours 352 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: of this podcast had been cut by the Arizona Cardinals. 353 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: Greg Dorch came in off the streets and he snagged that, 354 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: at least for now, he's that guy. Well it's funny. 355 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: I mean, look, Greg Dortch, and his play isn't the 356 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: only reason I think Jojo Award isn't here. Jojo Award 357 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: is struggled in camp. He's had way more I've noticed 358 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: his drops. And that's not a great sign, because you know, 359 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: guys are gonna drop some. But if it gets to 360 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: the point where I'm thinking, wow, you've had a lot 361 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: of drops, that's a lot of drops. But I love 362 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: what dorches die. I asked. I asked Cliff Kingsbury about 363 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,719 Speaker 1: Greg Dorge last week, and you know, I thought he 364 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: was making some plays offensively, and then in the game 365 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: he's the first guy they put back on punt return 366 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: and he's got some wiggle back there as a punt returner, 367 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: and again you mentioned the really good play had and 368 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: then he has made some inroads and it's going to 369 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: be interesting how all that shakes out. I mean, we 370 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: kind of feel like we have an idea. We know 371 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: the top four receivers. We're all kind of thinking Andy 372 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 1: Isabella and Keishaan Johnson are the other two. I think 373 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: Kyler really likes Keishawan Johnson. I think Keishaw Johnson has 374 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: had an okay camp, he hasn't been great. And Andy 375 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: Isabella has barely been on the field because of two 376 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: stints with COVID and he's gonna miss the first two 377 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: preseason games. You know, could Greg Dortsch make inroads that way? 378 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: I mean, think about Andy Isabella when the first dep 379 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: shark came out, was one of the return men. Well, 380 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Dortsch does that If you decide as 381 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: a coaching staff that it's too risky to put Ron 382 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: Dale more a Christian Kirk back there than Dortsch would 383 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: be your guy, I would agree that he had already 384 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: caught the coach's eye before the preseason game. Then he 385 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: made that fiscal catch in traffic coming back to the 386 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,719 Speaker 1: ball between two men. He made the one handed snag 387 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: on a fade against Byron Murphy Junior in practice. You 388 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: just reference, you can see it on social media. Unbelievable 389 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: one handed grab. He has the quicks, So I agree, 390 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 1: is he Are you gonna need to sound the Jaws 391 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: theme music? And is he coming up from the depths? 392 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: He just clipped Jojo Ward. Is he going to take 393 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: a bite out of Keishaan Johnson? Is he now going 394 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: to devour Andy Isabella? Andy Isabella isn't out here Keishaw Johnson. Yeah, 395 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: he's sort of underwhelmed. I would say he's been lukewarm 396 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: basically in this camp. So there's no doubt. Thirty eight. 397 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: Greg Dortch is a guy you continue to watch as 398 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: an outsider who might crack the final fifty three. Again, 399 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: your issue and not that Andy Isabella is much bigger. 400 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: It's Greg Dortch's what five to seven and a half 401 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: and half. I know you're very painfully aware of those. 402 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: That's what it says right here in my card. I'm 403 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: one of these coaches laminated cards. It has actually the 404 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: fractional heights on there, so it's five seven threes five 405 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: to seven and three inches that make him five seven 406 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: and a quarter. I don't know exactly how to read this. 407 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. You have to go to scout school. Um. Yeah, 408 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: I again I see him as potentially there. But but again, 409 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: we've been through one preseason game and things can change, 410 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,120 Speaker 1: and um, you know you you'll pay attention. What I'm 411 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 1: curious is is will Andy Isabella be able to when 412 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: he comes back, be able to hit the ground running, um, 413 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: and and make something work here. And you know, I 414 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,880 Speaker 1: think he was having when he has been out there. 415 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: I think he's been solid as a receiver. But again, 416 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: you miss all this time and it's not like he's hurt. 417 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: It's COVID. So I mean, but Dave, I can't get 418 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: past Dave McGinnis. The most important ability is availability, yep. 419 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: And that's you know when you look at some of 420 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: the guys that have been out and we don't know 421 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: what the problems are because Cliff Kingsbury is not telling 422 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: what they are. But I mean again, Jordan Phillips missed 423 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of time last year he's missed almost all 424 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: a camp. We know what JJ watt situation is, and 425 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a different kind of deal. 426 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: But there's some other guys that have missed a lot 427 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: of time and you start getting You're like, I really 428 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: wish they could be out there more. I mean, you know, 429 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 1: we did on the pregame show leading into the Friday 430 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 1: night game, we did flashing and Lacking. Here's our new segment. Okay, 431 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: flashing and lacking. Who's flashing who's lacking? And I would 432 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: say in the lacking category, it would be the defensive line, 433 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: the first and second team defensive line, and it comes 434 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: down to availability right now. Yeah, think about it. I mean, 435 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: you know this is the Bueller unit right now. I 436 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: mean they're missing JJ Watt, Jordan Phillips, Zach Allen, or Chard, 437 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: Lawrence lay Foe to Corey Peters. Now like he Foto 438 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: has come back off, so zall Zach Allen was back. 439 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Although I missed him. I did not see ninety four 440 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: out there. I was only he might have been on 441 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: them out there for individuals. So maybe they're slowly working 442 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: them back. But you're talking about your top six defensive line, 443 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: so you talk about guys coming up from the depths. 444 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: I know Michael Dogby has caught the eye of a 445 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: lot of the coaches. He graded out real well. From 446 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: my understanding, we call David Perry's name a half dozen 447 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: times in that game, the backup nose tackle with the 448 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: body mass and body type of Dan the Can Williams, 449 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: a former first round nose tackle from years ago. You know, 450 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: these are guys who could maybe somehow, some way make 451 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: a run from the bottom up. But you know it's 452 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: part of the whole. You're looking at the team and 453 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: then you're trying to figure right what could be. For example, 454 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: Cardinals got into the red zone, they had to settle 455 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: for what ultimately it would be a couple of field 456 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: goals in the red zone. Then they had two longer 457 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: field goals from Matt Prader. But you look down on 458 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: the sideline and you see DeAndre Hopkins, A J. Greene, 459 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: and James Connor. You think those guys make a difference 460 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: in the red zone probably a little bit, a little bit, 461 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: so you have to take that into account. You know 462 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: what else I thought was lacking the first team offensive line. 463 00:22:56,119 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: They're okay, they weren't great. A couple of false starts 464 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: by two of your best offensive lineman. There was some 465 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: pressure by backup defensive lineman by Dallas. Now, should the 466 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: ball have been out? Drew Stan mentioned a couple of 467 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: times in the broadcast. Yeah, that was designed to be 468 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: a three step dropping out, and the ball was held 469 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: because maybe that first or second read was covered and 470 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: didn't get out quick enough. Okay, I understand that, But 471 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: I didn't think the first team offensive line dominated as 472 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: much as I might have expected in that situation. Well, 473 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: I mean, first game, and you did have for the 474 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: most part the starting offensive line, although we're trying to 475 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: figure out what's going to happen at right guard with 476 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: Justin Murray and Brian Winners another couple of guys that 477 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: have missed significant parts of camp. Ye, but you're also 478 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: dealing with a backup quarterback. I mean you talked about 479 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: would the red zone be different if you had Hopkins 480 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: and Green and Connor you know what else it would 481 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: be make a difference in the red zone as Kyler 482 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: Murray a little bit. It kind of starts there, so 483 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I think again, we hear 484 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: so much about the preseason being us about play calls 485 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: and studying and game plans and more about the one 486 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: on one matchups, and when you talk about one on 487 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: the offensive line, that's all about one on one matchups. 488 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: And you know, there were little things like one of 489 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: the things I noticed, unfortunately was you know, Sean Cooler 490 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: was very high when he was talking about Josh Miles 491 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: last week, and I thought Josh Miles struggle a little 492 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: bit in that game. There was one in particular where 493 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: he gave up a sack. I think, and again, this 494 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: is why when coaches talk about guys before you start playing, 495 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: even preseason games, this is why they say we'll see 496 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: what happens in the games, because things do change in 497 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 1: the games, and the pressure does ratchet up, and you 498 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: do get kind of a different vibe to it sometimes 499 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: because you're going against guys that are fighting for jobs 500 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: and know that people are going to be watching this 501 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: tape more than anything else. The other outsider, the other 502 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: unknown that my understanding is excelled interior O line was 503 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: Sean Harlow, number sixty four on Oregon Stadies year removed. 504 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: So keep an eye in that guy. Although I really 505 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: don't think there's room or an outsider to crack the 506 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: offensive line room they are so and I I don't 507 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: know if there's one, if there's room for an outsider 508 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: to crack the defensive line unless they determine, unless a 509 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: guys so heard, he goes on the ir or they're 510 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: keeping an extra one because they're worried about whatever. But 511 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: because there's sixteen man practice squad, like David Perry is 512 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: a good example. I mean, I don't know if anybody's 513 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: scooping up David Perry if you let him go, and 514 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 1: so he's probably on when your practice squad and then 515 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: he's still around and then you can move them up 516 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: whenever you want. And that's the thing is I think 517 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: with the giant practice squads and just the way this 518 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: roster is built, I just I feel like it's really 519 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a whole lot of intrigue 520 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: when you talk about the fifty three man roster. Right, 521 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 1: I'll give you one position group where there is a 522 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: lot a lot of intrigue and it's wide open, the 523 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: tight end room. Yeah, that's true. You tell me, after 524 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: Max Williams, what exactly are we looking at right now? Well? 525 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: I think Darryl Daniels is on this team just because 526 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: because what else you're looking for. I thought, I know 527 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: it was early, but Harris, the veteran that they just signed, 528 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: Demetrius Harris, saw him make a couple of plays in practice, 529 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, yeah, I can see him sticking 530 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 1: around yep, yep, and you know what, he's pretty stouting 531 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: some of the one on one blocking drills. He moves well, 532 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: he seems to maybe maybe if he gets up to speed, 533 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: maybe he surpasses Darrell Daniels. Honestly, Darrell Daniels, as you mentioned, 534 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: he's sort of a stalwart. He's established. But if he 535 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: was a newcomer and unknown, he hasn't done anything to 536 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: really separate himself in this camp, would I would tend 537 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: to agree. So yeah, I agree. Demetrius Harris has himself 538 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,159 Speaker 1: a couple of catches against Kansas City or maybe in 539 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: the third and final preseason game, and he really puts 540 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 1: something down on film that we've seen in practice, and 541 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: absolutely I think there's room for a guy like that 542 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: to be on the final fifty three. That's still the 543 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: position group where I think, come final cuts, they're looking, 544 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: they're scanning the rest of the NFL and the thirty 545 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: one other teams to see who's available. I think that's fair. Yeah. 546 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: Uh what else? How about how about Chris Streveler or 547 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: putting the leveler into Streveler? Was that not the level 548 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: or moment? When he brought the boom on the six 549 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: yard line, you know, I thought as soon as he 550 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: did that, I'm like, Wow, this has got to be 551 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: a proud Papa moment for Paul Kelby's. You know, that 552 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: was my most enjoyable moment. You know, we had some ups, 553 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: we had some downs, we had some in betweens on 554 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: the radio call once again, as yours truly makes everyone 555 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: appreciate the expertise of Dave Hash, But the Leveler moment 556 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: was thoroughly enjoyed, no no doubt. I mean I thought, again, 557 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: there's no pressure on Chris Leveler or Chris level or 558 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: Jesus now you got me. He'll take it. He'll take it. 559 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: Um because it's a preseason game. UM, so I don't 560 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: And he's not necessarily executing like your normal pocket quarterback would. 561 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: But he was entertaining to watch. I'll tell you that 562 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: he's not. He's willing to um, he's willing to run 563 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: down the field. He'll take a hit he took that 564 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: one on the on the play that was blown dead 565 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: and the cowboy got here him and he got clawbird. Honestly, 566 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: I thought the guys should have been ejected for that. 567 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: I mean it was pretty That was pretty bad. Um. 568 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: I mean, if you're doing points of emphasis in the 569 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: preseason and you're trying to send a message, eject the 570 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: dude who hit level or high late. Yeah, but I 571 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: mean he was dishing out punishment when he was running. 572 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: He threw the ball. I thought a little bit better 573 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: than he did last year. He looked more comfortable. Again, 574 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: He's not going against Aaron Donald and the Rams, and 575 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: that would have been a problem. But he also led 576 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: them on a game winning drive. You know, they didn't 577 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: score a touchdown. He didn't have to go that far. 578 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: And that the one that really really made me wasn't 579 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: like Wow, there was a play when it must have 580 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: been going in. It must have been in the third quarter, 581 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: and there was a play where he dropped back in 582 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: the pocket and the rush got there and there was 583 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: no blocking and he somehow ducked under a guy that 584 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: absolutely should have sacked him. It was very athletic, stepped 585 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: up in the pocket, looked down, still didn't have any thing, 586 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: and then ran up, ran forward. I don't think it 587 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: was his big long run. Maybe it was, oh you 588 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: know what, I have it right here a third quarter 589 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: good memory because I wrote it down. It was a 590 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: six yard run on third and five. Yeah, and well 591 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: that's what that's right. And he got the first down 592 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: and the way he ducked the way he knew because 593 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: the guy was coming, the way he got under it, 594 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: and then still managed to keep his head about him 595 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: and the and the extra yard came. I mean, he 596 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily going to get there. It was. It was 597 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: one where he had to plunge forward. He couldn't slide. 598 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: He was gonna have to effort it, and he took 599 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: the hit and he just barely got it. I was 600 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: really impressed. Without play, I mean, you're not gonna find 601 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: out if the leveler can slide or not, because that 602 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: dude he's going in shoulder paths. He first. He actually 603 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: said in his press conference this week that he actually 604 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: enjoys being sore after the game, especially after a win. 605 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: He said, that's good, that's good. So yeah, he had 606 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: that was thoroughly enjoyable, there's no doubt. But So here's 607 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: your question. Okay, And it's fun to watch in the preseason, 608 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: but I mean, if you're the Cardinals, especially with all 609 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: the I mean we we've been talking about somebod these 610 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: places where they might have to pick and choose and 611 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: Michael Dogby and a seventh receiver maybe or whatever, can 612 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: you afford to have three quarterbacks on the roster? And 613 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question Coult McCoy's your backup. 614 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: So are you gonna make Chris Streveler be on the 615 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: roster and then inactivate him every game? Or do you 616 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: try and just get him on the practice squad because 617 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: you know how many teams are really going to pick 618 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: him up unless he's a special team star. They do 619 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: have him on kick return, okay, or punt return one 620 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: of the return teams. But now I'm with you. I 621 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: think if given his druthers, Cliff Kingsbury would absolutely like 622 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: to keep three quarterbacks. But is it feasible, plausible, doable 623 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: when you think you have a really deep team, or 624 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: are you going to use a third quarterback spot for 625 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: Chris Streveler? What are the odds he's picked up and 626 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: kept on another fifty three? I think that's fair, you know. 627 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: So so if you assess, okay, we have a better 628 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: than not shot of keeping him on the practice squad, 629 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: guess what he's going to a sixteen man practice squad. 630 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. And then when you talk 631 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: about Colt McCoy, I mean, you're not just talking about 632 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: the backup quarterback Darreon Herbant. You're talking about maybe the 633 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: most important and impactful acquisition of the twenty twenty one offseason, 634 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: according to sam Acho. Did you see the sam Acho 635 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: on ESPN? That feels very Texas centric? I mean, did 636 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: they play Did they didn't play together? Or maybe they did? 637 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: Did they've been close? They might have. Sam Acho might 638 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 1: have been a freshman when four years started. Quote McCoy 639 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: was a senior exactly. I can't remember because sam Atcho 640 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: was a twenty eleven draft. I don't remember what draft 641 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: Colt McCoy was in. It's funny because when I mentioned 642 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: that quote from sam Acho former cardinal and what he 643 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: said on ESPN, I mentioned at Cliff Kingsbury doing some 644 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: small talk before our TV interview and he said, well, 645 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: you realize the connection there, and I said, yeah, they're 646 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: both long horns. Come chuck that up, give me a break. 647 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 1: But but I mean when Cliff Kingsbury goes into a 648 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: detailed analysis of what Culte McCoy has done for the room, 649 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: not only the quarterbacks, but the coaches. He has four 650 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: times as much NFL experience as any of the current 651 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: coaches right in that room. When when he says that 652 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: Chris Leveller's greatest strides in the last half season, last 653 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: six months have been in recognizing uh, you know, fronts 654 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: and with his past protections, I mean, that's all because 655 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: of Coult McCoy and what he's done. You know what 656 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: was a skip bailess hot take by Sam Acho. At first, 657 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm beginning to actually put more credence in and more 658 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: and more anecdotally you hear of what Colt McCoy has 659 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: done for that quarterback room, and then I start thinking 660 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: of the following Darren, and you tell me if I'm 661 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: off the rails here or not. I would never say 662 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: that Kurt Warner and Carson Palmer, two all time greats 663 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: in recent Cardinals history. Heard of them behind the scenes 664 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: when it came to game planning, they were invaluable. Yeah, 665 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: they were almost de facto offensive coordinators. And the rest 666 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: of the offensive staff would wait for their film study 667 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: on a Monday until Monday night. Okay, Kurt, Okay, Carson, 668 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: what have you come up with? What are you seeing 669 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: in our opponent this week? Great? Sounds good? What do 670 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: you think? And then they would all get in together, 671 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: huddle up and devise a game plan. I fully envisioned 672 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: that being the case with a Colt McCoy. Yeah, I 673 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: mean I could see that. I mean, of course the 674 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: differences when you're talking about Warner and Palmer. Part of 675 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: the reason they're doing what they're doing is because they're 676 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: the ones out on the field, whereas you know, Kyler 677 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: is going to have to have his say on all 678 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: the kinds of things that do to be comfortable. And 679 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons Palmer and Warner did what 680 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: they did. It was because it was about making sure 681 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: they were doing what they were comfortable with. But I 682 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: agree with you and you having cold back there I 683 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: think changes the dynamic of that room. With all due 684 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,479 Speaker 1: respect to Brett Hunley, I do think Colt McCoy serves 685 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: that backup role better, not only on the field, but 686 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: off And you know, last year was just tough. You 687 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the coaches decide to go as Straveler 688 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: instead of Hunley in terms of being active all season. 689 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: That's the mystery. We never got an answer too, by 690 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: the way, and neither one of those guys is going 691 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: to be able to, you know, give you what Colt does, who, 692 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: by the way, three years was a teammate of San 693 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: Macho thanks to Craig Griel, are our our producer for 694 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: the day. There you go. Okay, three years, so you 695 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: know what, I'm starting to believe even more then, that's 696 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,479 Speaker 1: that's that's like me saying Paul Calveci's the greatest play 697 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: by play guy of all time because we work together. 698 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 1: Come on, are you kidding me? That'd be the one 699 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: and only time you've had something complimentary to say around 700 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: here about yours truly, are you kidding? So we know 701 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: that's concocted. By the way, we got a new Kyle 702 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: coming in Kevin Parrish, who officially announced it on Twitter, 703 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: so we can talk about it a little bit scutter important. 704 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: I you know what, I'm just getting to know him 705 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. He's a tad bit younger than us, Paul. Okay, 706 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: so like Kyle younger or even younger, oh even younger. 707 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: Oh boy, yeah, okay, so we'll have to get him 708 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: up to speed when he does start, which is still 709 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: a couple weeks away, but I eventually want to get 710 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: this back to a three man podcast. And you know, 711 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: first thing we'll do is we'll quiz him on momentum 712 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, analytics and okay, that's how he 713 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: feels about it. Well, he can carry my helmet on 714 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: my shoulder pads and bring the donuts. So that's the 715 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 1: first thing you can do, Kevin when you come into 716 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: the podcast, and uh, you know, it's a oh boy, 717 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. I mean, that's good. It's funny 718 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: that I think of that right when we're talking about 719 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: insulting Paul. That's right, hashtag fresh meat. So bring it on, 720 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: bring him in, let's go, and uh we'll see what 721 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: sort of take he has, you know. I mean, for example, 722 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: when he's looking at this team and uh, he says, 723 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, Darren gave me a hard time about Chris 724 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: Strevelo the leveler, and how fired up I was when 725 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: he made that play. Don't tell me you didn'tviolate the 726 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: press box rule and start cheering in the press box 727 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 1: when you know Benjamin had a big run and then 728 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: a touchdown add to that, and my first thought was, Oh, 729 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: here we go. Here's all the people that have said 730 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: all along. No, I mean you're self included Ester as 731 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: you well, I will say that, you know I rooted 732 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: for you know, many many times. But also when he 733 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: got drafted here, I was also very realistic in the 734 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: fact he's a seventh round pick. That being said, um, 735 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, I think he's already shown a bunch of practice. 736 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: I thought he showed some things in training camp practice 737 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: last year. We've heard a lot Cliff Kingsbury has brought 738 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,399 Speaker 1: it up multiple times about how he's more focused, and 739 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: I have heard some things where it's like they they 740 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: kind of wanted, you know, to kind of kind of 741 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: rejigger how he looked at things. I mean we even 742 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: heard it when he was talking after the game the 743 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: other day. You know, he's not a football guy outside 744 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: of football, and you know sometimes the football guys that 745 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: are around coaches and stuff sometimes they struggle with that 746 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: a little bit. So don't you got to come to 747 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,240 Speaker 1: a happy medium. Don't forget that they track your tablet 748 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: and they know how much time you're spending in the playbook. Yeah, 749 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: that's away from team meetings from yep. So you know 750 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: it's something that always impresses the coaches in terms of 751 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: in fact, you know who it was. I was trying 752 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 1: to think of the guy who surprised the coaches off 753 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: the bat. This is years ago, but it was Antonio Cromarty, 754 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: and he was a guy they realized, Wow, he really 755 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: is a grinder. In fact, when I hear Rodney Hudson 756 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 1: is that guy who will watch a lot of films. 757 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: You know. You know who's another guy who I remember 758 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: you're thinking, okay, especially with his travels as as an 759 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: NFL player, But I'll never forget DJ Sweringer was a 760 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: guy that blew them away with how much Yes he 761 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: they he was on that tablet yep, and they knew it. Yep. 762 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: That's a great recollection. So you know, Benjamin, look, how 763 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: do you think the right in terms of total numbers? 764 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: How many running backs do they keep? Well? I think 765 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: that's a great question because it goes back to what 766 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: we're always talking about, which is when you're when you're 767 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: whether you're talking about Greg Dortch and Andy Isabelle and 768 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: Keishan Johnson, or you're talking about the end of the 769 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: tight end room where you're talking about the end of 770 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: the running back. I mean, what kind of special teams 771 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,359 Speaker 1: can they do? I thought, you know, Benjamin looked pretty 772 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: good as a kickoff returner the other day, So if 773 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: he can be your kickoff returner, and he could be 774 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: your third running back knowing, and you could drop him 775 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 1: in as a running back if Edmonds or Connor get 776 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: dinged up. You know, look, Jonathan Ward's a bigger back. 777 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: He's not quite he doesn't have the speed of Eno, 778 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: probably doesn't have the elusiveness of Eno as a running back. 779 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: But Jonathan Ward is a good special teams player, and 780 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: your assistant head coaches is your special teams coordinator, and 781 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,759 Speaker 1: you know he has a say over over how this goes. 782 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be tough to keep four running backs. 783 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: And again I think Jonathan Ward, he started on the 784 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: practice squad last year, I could see him being on 785 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: the practice squad this year. They didn't want to cut 786 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: Eno last year because they were afraid somebody would take him, 787 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,799 Speaker 1: and I agree with that. I mean, if unless you're 788 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,800 Speaker 1: totally done with Eno, Benjamin, I think he's got to 789 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,240 Speaker 1: be on this roster because I think somebody picks him up. Otherwise, 790 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: I think somebody picks up both running backs. Maybe my 791 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: understand was by the end of August last year that 792 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: if there would have been preseason games, the coaches were 793 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: terrified that Jonathan and Ward would have been a goner. 794 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: He would have been picked up by someone else upon 795 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: final cuts. But you know what else I think of? 796 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 1: I think Andy Isabella. I think of, okay a minute, 797 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: if Rondale Moore and Christian Kirk are too valuable to 798 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: put back the returning kicks and or punts, and if 799 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,400 Speaker 1: Greg Dortch, for example, is your punt returner, let's just say, 800 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 1: and Eno Benjamin is your kick returner. Guess what that 801 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: costs Andy Isabella on both fronts. Yeah, that's another one, 802 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 1: A good point. It's another scenario where he's on the 803 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: outside looking in. Well, again, that's the problem when you're 804 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: you're not around. I don't know what's going to happen 805 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 1: in the return game. I asked Cliff the other day 806 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: about you know, Rondale Moore didn't get any returns on 807 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: kickoffs or punts. Is that say something? And he kind 808 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: of deferred and say, we got it's all fluid, and 809 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: we got a long way to go. The things that 810 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 1: you know Cliff says about such things. But you do 811 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: have to wonder if they're gonna be willing to put 812 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: him back there, because I would think that the other 813 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: thing about that is like, if you are willing to 814 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: put him back there, Let's say, if you're Jeff Rogers 815 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 1: and you're and you guys are willing to put Rondale Moore, 816 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 1: that that gives you a little bit more elbow room. 817 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: Who might else you keep and why you might keep them? 818 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,240 Speaker 1: If memories serves twenty nineteen preseason, Christian Kirk didn't return 819 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,799 Speaker 1: any punts in the preseason. Then the regular season he 820 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: was the guy so and that's very possible they could 821 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: do that again. Then again, you know, maybe he is 822 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: protecting guys I don't know. Christian Kirk made the big 823 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: thirty five yard reception down the near sideline against Kelvin Joseph. 824 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: By the way, no scrub a guy who's been a 825 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: star of Cowboys Camp. From our understanding everything you've read 826 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 1: about Cowboys Camp, Kelvin Joseph has really shined. The round 827 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: two pick out of Kentucky and Christian Kirk beat him decisively. 828 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: Ball was right on the money from Cole McCoy and 829 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: then great, great throw. And then Cliff Kingsbury told us 830 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: after the game. I asked him, he said absolutely. As 831 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 1: soon as he made that catch, I yelled down the 832 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: sideline get him out. He's done, Just just get him 833 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,919 Speaker 1: out of it. So Christian Kirk showed well in that one. 834 00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 1: I thought Chase Edmonds looked quick. He's looked quick in practice. 835 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds actually played more than I thought he would 836 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,759 Speaker 1: in that preseason I gotta be honest. We kind of 837 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: talked about that last week. He did play longer than I. Yeah, 838 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: so I'm not sure what his future holds, but he's 839 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: regular season ready based what we see. And then Matt 840 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: Prador obviously four for four so that he can kick off, 841 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: by the way, Yes, oh, I just thought i'd mentioned that. Okay, 842 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: so did someone I failed to ask. I wrote it 843 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,320 Speaker 1: down and then we didn't have time. I want to 844 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: have Cliff Cliff Kingsbury after the game in our one 845 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: on one on the radio side about hey, what's the 846 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: deal with Prader? Much ado about nothing when it comes 847 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: to the leg strength and not having kicked off since 848 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, because he was pretty convincing, right, there's no question. 849 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: And his first kick, which I believe went deep into 850 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: the end zone and for a touchback, I'm like, what 851 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,759 Speaker 1: were we even talking about? And you know what he said? 852 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,359 Speaker 1: He said I can do this, So now we see 853 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 1: and now I just wonder why why he hasn't been 854 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: doing it three years? Yeah, And he looked at everyone 855 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: with sort of that you know, sort of that that 856 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: scoff Right, Look, guys, I can handle this, spoken like 857 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: a guy going into his fifteen season, like don't don't 858 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: question that? Actually I do. That is the kind of 859 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: the feeling like, how dare you? Yeah? So, okay, he's 860 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: regular season ready, guys like Chase the regular season ready. 861 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: Christian Kirk is good to go. What about the guys 862 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: we haven't seen? What about some of these injuries? What 863 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: about Jordan Phillips, what about Rashard Lawrence? What are we 864 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: thinking with all these JJ Watt, who we've been reassured 865 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: multiple times, don't worry about it. When you're set to 866 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: go Week one, ninety nine will be there. Okay? All right? 867 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: All right? Are we buying this all we find him? 868 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: Are we feeling pretty reassured that, Okay, they're gonna have 869 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: all these guys ready to go when it's go time. Well, 870 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: I know, I know, the great Dave Pash had JJ 871 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,640 Speaker 1: Watt tell him, I'm absolutely, quote, absolutely that's right, going 872 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 1: to be ready for the regular season. I could see 873 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: the JJ Watt thing being literally, why why are we 874 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 1: gonna practice this guy? Like maybe he would have been 875 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 1: he's probably pretty okay by now, but let's just not 876 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: be dumb. I'm not gonna lie. That Jordan Phillips thing 877 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: kind of makes me wonder a little bit, just because 878 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: he missed so much time last year, and you got 879 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 1: to wonder, and this is the problem when you don't 880 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: know about injury. You're not sure what we're talking about. 881 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean, if he sprained his knee, he was probably 882 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 1: gonna miss the month anyways, and we just don't know that. 883 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: You know, if he hurt his hamstring again, which is 884 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,279 Speaker 1: what kept him out for significant parts last year, then 885 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,360 Speaker 1: you start getting weirried. Oh my god, is this hamstring 886 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,279 Speaker 1: going to be this problem over and over? Uh, we 887 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,319 Speaker 1: don't know what's wrong with Richard Lawrence, but he missed 888 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of time last year. Is it? Is it 889 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,320 Speaker 1: the ankle again. Um, you know those are the things 890 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: ye right guard Justin Murray and Brian Winters. Yeah, well, 891 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,839 Speaker 1: Cliff and I forgot to look it up. I haven't 892 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,520 Speaker 1: looked it up yet. Maybe the great Craig Grey Lucanwell 893 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 1: we're talking, but um, Cliff at one point intimated that 894 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,359 Speaker 1: whatever is bothering Brian Winters um had to do with 895 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: And now Craig saying to knee was something he was 896 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: dealing with last year. At one point he said, it's 897 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: the same thing he's dealing with from last year. So 898 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 1: maybe that's a knee thing. And hey, you're a veteran 899 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 1: and you don't you don't want to push it this early. 900 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: You got arrested. I don't know. I don't know what's 901 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,239 Speaker 1: up with just and Murray, but I do think going 902 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: into this, Josh Jones was third in their in their 903 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 1: planned choice to be in that mix, and we'll see 904 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: if he can make a push. And now he's de 905 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,800 Speaker 1: facto starter because those other guys just aren't around. Well, 906 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 1: Brian Winners. You know, maybe it's from pulling those buses 907 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,800 Speaker 1: or those mac trucks with the role. You know, I'm 908 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: not not all the strongest competition. I don't think yourself, 909 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 1: you know, so I'd be I'd be hard pressed to 910 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: pull a lawnmower at this point. Um, So, all right, 911 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,600 Speaker 1: you have that, you have some of those situations where 912 00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 1: you don't know are the injuries. Is it just sort 913 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,600 Speaker 1: of a long preseason and now you're a veteran and 914 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: after a lack of a preseason a year ago. Guess 915 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: what we're going to really air on the side of 916 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,759 Speaker 1: caution with some of these guys. And what's gonna make 917 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,759 Speaker 1: it more intriguing for fans to figure out is that 918 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: practices are now closed for the most part. True, they're closed, 919 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: and so not only are fans not going to be here, 920 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: but we're not allowed to say much about anything after 921 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: or twenty minutes of practice, which includes stretching and a 922 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 1: little bit of the individual drills. So most of our 923 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: analysis will be coming through what you see in the games. 924 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 1: And at least there's games. I mean, last year we 925 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,760 Speaker 1: had to do it, Paul, when the practices were closed 926 00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: and we couldn't say anything and there were no games, 927 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,839 Speaker 1: so you were really kind of hamstrung. At least now 928 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: we know when we get to games we can talk 929 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,120 Speaker 1: about who's in what depth chart position and all those things. 930 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,240 Speaker 1: And you know what, it's going to be intrigued against 931 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: the Chiefs because Andy Reid is known for playing his starters. Yes, 932 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,600 Speaker 1: and he did it actually in preseason game number one. 933 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,720 Speaker 1: They're starting offensive line when three series, like the Cardinals 934 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,760 Speaker 1: went to Mahomes actually won a series against the forty 935 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,359 Speaker 1: nine ers, man Trey Lance looked up and down, did 936 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: he not? He looked like a rookie making his first 937 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: All those guys do. I mean, that's what's going to happen. 938 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,520 Speaker 1: Let's not crown him. I mean not Minnesota Vikings bad 939 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,359 Speaker 1: in the preseason, but it wasn't good at least I thought, 940 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: And I know they cited multiple times that there were 941 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 1: three drops, but yeah, there was also some really poor 942 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:03,759 Speaker 1: footwork and some horrendous accuracy by Trey Lance. So we'll 943 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: see what the forty nine ers are thinking, because you 944 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: can't tell me if Trey Lance all of a sudden 945 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: came on as a rookie like Russell Wilson did once 946 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,400 Speaker 1: upon a time or something akin to that, they wouldn't 947 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,919 Speaker 1: cut Jimmy g in a minute and save twenty five 948 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: million dollars and only take a four million dollars cap hit. 949 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 1: They very well could. I think they'd love to be 950 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: able to trade Jimmy g I don't see that happening. 951 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: I will say this when you talk about whether it's 952 00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,759 Speaker 1: justin fields or in this case Trey Lance, Trey Lance 953 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,879 Speaker 1: is probably the best example here because the forty nine ers, 954 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: we feel have a pretty good team depending on how 955 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,319 Speaker 1: their quarterback plays. Yep. And what people forget is like 956 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: the rookies that have come in and done really well. 957 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger on fifteen one as a rookie. Russell Wilson, 958 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: of course shocked everybody was the starter for Matt Flynn. 959 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: But I was talking to somebody the other day and 960 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: I agree with this, and this isn't that next level. 961 00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: But those guys weren't. They weren't Patrick Mahomes in those years. 962 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,359 Speaker 1: What Russell Wilson and Ben Roethlisberger were those first few 963 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: years of their career were game managers. They weren't asked 964 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: to do anything. Their defenses were really good, their running 965 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,800 Speaker 1: games were really good, and they were asked. Russell Wilson 966 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 1: wasn't Russell Wilson from twenty twelve to twenty fifteen that 967 00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: was a team that was led by the Legion of 968 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: Boom and that defense and that run game. Russell Wilson 969 00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 1: wasn't I mean, nobody was saying let Russ Cook in 970 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,839 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. No, and Ben Roethlisberger became a very good 971 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: passing quarterback, But that wasn't him back in whatever year 972 00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: that was twenty two thousand and whatever, when they went 973 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: fifteen and one. That's just not who he was. That 974 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: would have been two thousand and four because he was 975 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: the same year as fits. So you know, if Trey 976 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,319 Speaker 1: Lance starts, I mean, you better have the team around him. 977 00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: It's funny everybody talks about Jimmy g not being that 978 00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,319 Speaker 1: guy to take you all the way. But if you 979 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,399 Speaker 1: to me, if you start Trey Lance, that's what you're 980 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 1: You're putting a quarterback in there just like that. I mean, 981 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: they're different quarterbacks. And maybe you want to row a 982 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,759 Speaker 1: Trey Lance, and maybe all things being equal, you want 983 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: to start the guy younger. But the reality is is 984 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: the rest of your team, if you want to go 985 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,200 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, is going to be have to 986 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: be what takes you to the super Bowl. It's not 987 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,520 Speaker 1: going to be a quarterback play you know Dan Quinn 988 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,839 Speaker 1: now the defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. And it 989 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: was interesting because in doing a little bit of research 990 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: getting ready for the game, and then it went back, Okay, 991 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: what years was he the Seahawks defensive coordinator? Well it 992 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: was thirteen and fourteen. Yea, the legion of boom in 993 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: their prime. Those years, they allowed just over fifteen points 994 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: per game. Think about that. Think, I mean that in 995 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,760 Speaker 1: today's game, that would be remarkable to have a defense 996 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,920 Speaker 1: allowing just over fifteen points per game. That's how dominant 997 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: defensive they were. To back up your point, they didn't 998 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: need an All Pearl Russell Wilson at that point to 999 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,880 Speaker 1: be the guy. So yeah, it is intriguing to see 1000 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,319 Speaker 1: exactly which direction the Niners are gonna go when you 1001 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,319 Speaker 1: hear that, oh, Jimmy G's had an unbelievable camp and 1002 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: he's making play after play after play and so forth. Okay, 1003 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,800 Speaker 1: is that because that's the truth or is that because 1004 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: all of a sudden John Lynch wants to pump up 1005 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,440 Speaker 1: the value of a Jimmy G for the trade market? Right? 1006 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a it's intriguing to see, and uh, 1007 00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, for Cardinals. I think we're gonna see Kyler 1008 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,279 Speaker 1: Murray I think in one of these preseason games. But 1009 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: it's not an absolute either, is it. No. I would 1010 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: think he gets some kind of snaps, but I don't 1011 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,279 Speaker 1: know when. Again, the thing again that's going to keep 1012 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,760 Speaker 1: throwing me is that third preseason game being on turf, 1013 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:36,520 Speaker 1: and I would just be leary. I'd be leary. And 1014 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: it's not like it's the old astro turf that you say, 1015 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: but but it's uh, yeah, it does. It does give 1016 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,839 Speaker 1: you a pause, there's no doubt it. So all right, Well, look, 1017 00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, more leveler isn't necessarily a bad thing in 1018 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,120 Speaker 1: my book at least. So did you see the Folk 1019 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,880 Speaker 1: Tales trailer? I did see the trailer. Okay, I'm just 1020 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 1: making see the trailer. Oh, I want to make sure 1021 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 1: everybody listening he's seen the trailer too. And I've seen 1022 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,319 Speaker 1: enough raw footage to know, Oh my good, that's gonna 1023 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: be appointment viewing. Yeah. I don't know if the two 1024 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,200 Speaker 1: words are appointment viewing or must watch or both, but no, 1025 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be good, no doubt about it. Well, appointment 1026 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: viewing kind of makes it sound like you'd have to 1027 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: make an appointment, and I don't. I think it'll just 1028 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, you can see it on YouTube at your convenience. 1029 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: You know, you can just stream on demand, I believe. 1030 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,000 Speaker 1: Is this where the kids are using today? Where are you, 1031 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,960 Speaker 1: by the way, in the process of the Monday night 1032 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 1: meltdown piece, By the way, that is not just sound 1033 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: like your mom or anything, but where are you exactly 1034 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,200 Speaker 1: with your homework that actually that video is like almost done. 1035 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,920 Speaker 1: That's that's the one that's all of course, that's not 1036 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,520 Speaker 1: going to be out until late in the season when 1037 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: the Cardinals play the Bears. But the first one up 1038 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,319 Speaker 1: is is legendary locker Pat Tillman. Pat Tilman, Okay, okay, yeah, 1039 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: that should be uh, I mean, and you're always reminded 1040 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,960 Speaker 1: when you talk about Eno Benjamin. He's the first Arizona 1041 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: State player drafted by the Arizona Cardinals since Pat Tilman. Yeah, 1042 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,320 Speaker 1: that's amazing. I mean think you know, it is remarkable, 1043 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: both seventh round guys, by the way. So it's some 1044 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,480 Speaker 1: of the footage, and I think some of it was 1045 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: in the trailer. Wasn't there a big hit by Tillman 1046 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,360 Speaker 1: and Flagstaff in the trailer? Although if you watch that footage. 1047 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 1: The best part about it. It's a giant hit. And 1048 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,320 Speaker 1: I watched the trailer way too many times. Tim Delaney 1049 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,920 Speaker 1: did a great job putting it together. But if you 1050 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,760 Speaker 1: watch that trailer, it looks like a tight end. He's drilling, okay, 1051 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,719 Speaker 1: and he drills him and the ball pops out. But 1052 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: if you watch the guy catches it, Tillman drills him 1053 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: and the ball pops in the air, and I'm pretty 1054 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,479 Speaker 1: sure the guy catches it before it hits the ground, 1055 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: so it's still a catch. I was like, Wow, that 1056 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:33,960 Speaker 1: was a heck of a play about that guy, whoever 1057 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,040 Speaker 1: it was. But it just reminds you his philosophy. His 1058 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: game plan in making that team as a seventh round 1059 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,880 Speaker 1: tweenter was just to hit anything and everything isn't moved. 1060 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,120 Speaker 1: And it absolutely seeing it in the because that's a 1061 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 1: sky dome shot up in Flagstaff, it absolutely underscores how 1062 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,439 Speaker 1: different training camp is now than compared to when Pat 1063 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,640 Speaker 1: Tillman was around, because that kind of hitting does not 1064 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,359 Speaker 1: happen anymore. And there were two days in pads back 1065 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: in those days. And even though it really wasn't that 1066 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,439 Speaker 1: long ago, uh yeah, it was eons ago. In terms 1067 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: of this style and the way the game is speaking 1068 00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: of Flagstaff and I needed I want to throw this 1069 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 1: out there. We don't get to I don't get a 1070 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,760 Speaker 1: chance to talk to Kyle Vannibosh a lot. And sometimes 1071 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 1: you do, sometimes you don't. Craig, feel free to bring 1072 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: this up with Kyle Vanderbosch, but at some point, you 1073 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,000 Speaker 1: guys needed to have him tell this the training camp 1074 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 1: story in the air when he got in a fistfight 1075 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: with Leonard Davis. Oh, I did not know that, and 1076 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 1: Leonard Davis ended up breaking a finger or something. I 1077 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,640 Speaker 1: remember it was like two thousand and one maybe, Yeah, 1078 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: the two of them got in a cotton a fight, 1079 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,600 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking I'd pay to see Leonard Davis and 1080 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: prime Kyle van Nimbosch. All right, we'll leave it with this, 1081 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: Darren Rban, Craig Gril, yours truly, Paul preseason. Have you 1082 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 1: ever stood next to more of a mountain of a 1083 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,759 Speaker 1: man than Leonard Davis. I'm not saying necessarily taller. I'm 1084 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,520 Speaker 1: just saying more of a mountain of a man who 1085 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 1: took up more airspace and more body masks than Leonard Davis. 1086 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: Big Land was a big boy. I mean, I was 1087 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 1: a fan of Leonard Davis. Klais is a giant, but 1088 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,799 Speaker 1: not in the way Leonard Davis is. I can't think of. 1089 00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,600 Speaker 1: I can't think anyone. But but then again, I'm not 1090 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,600 Speaker 1: a small man. I'm six three one ninety and I 1091 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,600 Speaker 1: remember standing next to Matt Ware and pads one time. 1092 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,919 Speaker 1: Matt Ware, who's a safety, but he was like six 1093 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: four two twenty five and he's in pads and I 1094 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,359 Speaker 1: remember standing next to one, going, this is an NFL safety. 1095 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: I would never get on that field. Well, you know 1096 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,359 Speaker 1: better than anyone. That was the welcome to the NFL 1097 00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,040 Speaker 1: moment for so many rookies back in Adrian Wilson's day. 1098 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:38,320 Speaker 1: They would walk in and go, that guy's a safety. Okay, 1099 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I wouldn't even want to step 1100 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,200 Speaker 1: anywhere with Dub these days, he still looks like he 1101 00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,800 Speaker 1: could pop somebody. Yeah, so okay, there you go. Well, 1102 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'll tell you what KVB is gonna have 1103 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,040 Speaker 1: to tell his camp fight story and uh and we'll 1104 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,600 Speaker 1: get that on Craig Riel, who was going to have 1105 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 1: to deliver or we'll just bring him in as a 1106 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,200 Speaker 1: special guest. I like that yere cardinals underground. I'll brought 1107 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:13,480 Speaker 1: to you by a Pacific Office Automation m