1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We normally come 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: to you every Wednesday, coming to you Thursday. This week 3 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: I was up at the LPGA Tournament of Champions and 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: this week's guest LPGA player Matilda Castren. Twenty twenty one 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: was kind of the big breakout year for her. She 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: won on the LPGA Tour. That year, she won on 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: the Ladies' European Tour. That year, she made the Solheim 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: Cup they won. She played her golf college golf at 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: Florida State, where she was a seven time winner. And 10 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: one of the things I want to try and do 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: with the pod is is get as many players and listen, 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk to the superstars and golf right, 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: all the household names and stuff, but I think it's 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: important to just talk to players on whatever tour and 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: just kind of get their story and kind of get 16 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: their perspective on what's going on in professional golf. Matilda 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: is you know, she's not flying around on private jets 18 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: and building big giant houses, just a regular tour player 19 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: who's a winner, who's won a Solheim Cup and just 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: trying to win as many golf tournaments as she can. 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: So really cool interview. I got to sit down with 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: her a couple of weeks ago, really like her golf 23 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: swing and really like her story. But before we get 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: to that, let's talk about our friends at Cobra Golf. 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,639 Speaker 1: They've got a new driver out, the Cobra Dark Speed. Listen. 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: It went straight into my bag, and the first thing 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: about it is a love, a love the way it 28 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: looks drivers. I think drivers are a lot like putters. 29 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: If you're gonna get a driver and you're gonna put 30 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: it in your bag, it's got to have a really 31 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: really good look to it. I like the color combinations 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: this year, a lot of Matt black, but I like it. 33 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: And again, it's one of those drivers that just looks 34 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: fast to me. Three models. The LS model, which is 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: low launch, low spin, and if you're that type of player. 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: The guys that Cobra, the R and D guys, they 37 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: feel like the eight degree LS model is kind of 38 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: their rate car model. So if you're looking for a 39 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: really really fast driver and you need low launch, low spin, 40 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: the LS is the model for you. They've got the 41 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: X model, which is the best of both worlds low spin, 42 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: a little bit faster ball speed, but the stability that 43 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: you're looking for. And then the Max, which is the 44 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: most forgiving of the three. It's got a really heavy 45 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: weight in the back, it's got the highest MLI and 46 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: it's the most forgiving. So three different drivers in the 47 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: new Dark Speed lineup from Cobra Golf. Like I said, 48 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: I like the way it looks. I've had it in 49 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: the bag since you know, probably November, and I really 50 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: like the feel of it. I like the sound of it, 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: and I think Cobra's on to a winner. So if 52 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: you are in the market for a new driver in 53 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, don't sleep on the Cobra Dark Speed. 54 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: Give it a try. Three different models. Whatever you do 55 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: in the golf swing, it is going to whatever your 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: game is, Cobra has a driver that will help you 57 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: improve you're driving and enjoy your golf even more so. 58 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: Like I said, Matilda Castrin cool story places the LPGA tour. 59 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: I'm excited for everyone to hear her story. So sit 60 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: back and enjoy this one. Matilda breakout year in twenty 61 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: twenty one on the LPGA, twenty twenty two and now 62 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: into twenty twenty three. What do you feel like it's 63 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: been different about the last couple of years, because obviously 64 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: you win your first LPGA in the same year that 65 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: you win on the LED, and it's kind of one 66 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: of those years to where it's like, Wow, you know, 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: you win a couple of tournaments and kind of you're 68 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: on a bigger stage. What do you feel like this 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: year was like for you? Because I looked at some 70 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: of the stats and it looks like you didn't necessarily 71 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: hit the irons as well this year is maybe you 72 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: did the last couple of years. 73 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: No, I mean, definitely, my my iron shots were a 74 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: lot worse than last couple of years. Really off the tea, 75 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: I kind of struggled not all year, but most of 76 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: the year, So that didn't put me in the best 77 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: position to hit a great shot into the green. But yeah, 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 2: I think it was a lot of expectation from myself 79 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: and I kind of let the expectation of others also 80 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: get to me. I kind of took a lot of 81 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 2: pressure on that, and I mean I had some goals 82 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: this year that that I didn't accomplish. I wanted to 83 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: play in the Solheim, I wanted to play in all 84 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: the majors. I didn't get into the US Open, so 85 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: I was kind of like chasing a lot of that, 86 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: and I ended up playing a ton of golf and 87 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: I feel like I kind of exhausted myself. 88 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: It's a catch twenty two, right. When you're not playing well, 89 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: there are times where you want to take time off 90 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: to maybe practice or just say, hey, listen, I'm going 91 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: to do a reset. But when you're not playing well 92 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: and your status isn't great and you look at how 93 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: many tournaments you've got of the course of the year, 94 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: have to sometimes keep playing when you're not playing your best. 95 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that a lot of people 96 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: don't realize is it can get really difficult when you 97 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: get into these difficult times of the year because sometimes 98 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: you just say, listen, I want to break. I'm going 99 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: to take a couple of weeks off. But the season's 100 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: right in the middle of it, and the tournaments are 101 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: kind of coming thinking fast, and you have a timeline 102 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, i haven't got enough to the 103 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: best start this year, so I've got to keep playing 104 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: when I probably need a break or a reset for 105 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: the next couple weeks exactly. 106 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: I mean trying to qualify for the Songheim. I knew 107 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: I needed to play certain events and I knew that 108 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 2: captain was going to be at some of them and 109 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 2: I needed to kind of show my best. 110 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: Then, you know, on the PGA Tour they call that 111 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: Wrighter cup itis, right, So you have those guys that 112 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: are kind of have that year it's a Wright Cup year. 113 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: They're near the right cup there, they're being talked about 114 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: as somebody that could make it. They're probably going to 115 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: have to get a pick, and then you're running out 116 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: of two ornaments. You know that there are spots available 117 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: and you're trying to play your best. What's that like 118 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: from do you feel like sometimes that's a situation to 119 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: where the goal can sometimes almost get in the way. 120 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: It's something that you can want so much. I mean, 121 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: there were so many people this year, both on the 122 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: men's and the women's side, that wanted to be on 123 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: the Solheim Cup, that wanted to be on the Ryder Cup, 124 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: and towards the end of the year they actually don't 125 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: get it done because they're putting a lot of pressure 126 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: on themselves. 127 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you have, like, you know what you 128 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: need to do and it just doesn't really the more 129 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 2: you want it, you just have to kind of put 130 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 2: them on the back burner. I tried to tell myself 131 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: it's a result of you know, doing the daily things well, 132 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: and like that's not it's my goal, but I shouldn't 133 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: only focus on that. I should focus on going to practice. 134 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: I'm doing my little things that I do every day, 135 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 2: and just tried to play a good golf and the 136 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: tournaments and not just focus on the end goal. But 137 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: I think it was really hard for me to get that, 138 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 2: like into my brain. I was still just thinking of 139 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: the rankings, and even though I try not to look, 140 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: it was still. 141 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: In my mind so possible not to look. 142 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously I really really wanted to play 143 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: in Spain. I haven't played a so Home Cup in Europe, 144 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: so I was really looking forward to that. 145 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: But do you feel like I remember saying this to 146 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: Brooks Cup and when Brooks was starting out on the 147 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: PGA Tour and he hadn't been on a Ryder Cup before, 148 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: and then he got on his first one at Hazeltee. 149 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: I kept saying to him, you will never not want 150 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: to be on one of these after you experienced the 151 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: Solheim Cup. For you as an experience, having tasted that 152 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: and been a part of that. What's that experience like 153 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: and what does it make you? What are the things 154 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: that you like about the Solheim Cup that make you 155 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: say to yourself, Okay, I have to be on the 156 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: next team. What is it about those weeks that are 157 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: so so unique in so special. 158 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: I love the team spirit. I mean Team Europe we 159 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: had such an amazing energy and the bus is going 160 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: to turn them up to the golf course and like 161 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: playing together practice rounds. Everyone is just like there for 162 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 2: this same goal, and the energy is just so amazing. 163 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: And I remember being there and telling myself I never 164 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: want to miss it and I want to play in 165 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: all of them, and I thought, for sure, I'm going 166 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: to do it. And it's not that simple. You've got 167 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: to play really amazing and earn your spot in the team. 168 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: And I mean, I still have it in me that 169 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: I don't want to miss it again. 170 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: So and the pressure in Solheim Cups very much like 171 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup. It's a very different pressure than you 172 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: feel week to week on the LPGA Tour, because first 173 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: of all, you've got a team, you've got captains, you're 174 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: playing for something bigger. What's that pressure like? And when 175 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: you first experienced it. When did you say, Okay, this 176 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: is a completely different feeling, pressure wise than what I'm 177 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: used to in stroke play events. 178 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: The first tea on the first day, we're the first match, 179 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: me and Anna, and she hit the first t shot 180 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: and I was like, dank, God, she's hitting the first 181 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 2: tea shot because I was so nervous. You know, number 182 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: one and ten the tea box were together at Enverness 183 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 2: and the stand is behind and there's just so many people, 184 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 2: the energy, everyone's screaming and the music is loud, and 185 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: it's just so different than anything I've ever experienced, than 186 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: any other tournament I've ever I'm ever gonna play in. 187 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 2: So it's just an immense amount of pressure. You're not 188 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: just playing for yourself, like the success and the failure 189 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: is for the team. So it's just so much more. 190 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: I've said this before on the pod, and I got 191 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: to experience this in Rome a couple about a month 192 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: ago for the US team. My favorite things about Ryder 193 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: Cups and soul Hunt Cups are no different those late 194 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: in the day matches to where there's really only a 195 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: couple of matches on the golf course, maybe there's only 196 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: one the entire team is there, all the team carts 197 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: are there, all the caddies are there, all the wives 198 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: and spouses, everybody is there, and you're all of a 199 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: sudden you feel like, okay, it's I feel like this 200 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: is something really really bigger than I am. But it's 201 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 1: like a traveling circus. The US team will be on 202 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: one side, you all will be on the other side, 203 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: and you're all going down normally it's kind of opposite 204 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: sides of the fair way with the kind of the 205 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: traveling entourage, and you get to watch these final matches. 206 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: I always think that those are very very special moments. 207 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: And when you're in a you get to watch a 208 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: match that your team is in, you know, on whatever 209 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: side you're on. When you get to watch a match 210 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: that maybe they're one down going to sixteen and they 211 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: flip it, you can feel that energy change. I think 212 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: more than any golf event I've been around. Solheim Cups, 213 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: Ryder Cups, are they turn on? They turned so quickly 214 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: on momentum. Yeah, what's that like? When you're when you 215 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: feel the momentum building on your side and then when 216 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: you miss a par putt and all of a sudden 217 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: you get back down to square and you can feel 218 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: the momentum shifting. 219 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 2: I mean, momentum is everything in match play. You can 220 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: be three down, but if you have it going for you, 221 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: you make a couple of birdies, you can kind of 222 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: you feel that, hey, like you have an upper hand 223 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: against the opponents. It's kind of you can tell that 224 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: their confidence is kind of maybe crumbling a little bit. 225 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: They're not so sure about it anymore. And you have 226 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 2: like five holes to go, and you know, things can 227 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 2: change so quickly. I mean, if you're three down after 228 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: nine holes, that doesn't mean anything in match play. So 229 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: that's just really the exciting part of it. Like you 230 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: you can you always have a chance as long as 231 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: there's holes to play, you always have a chance. 232 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: When you're in a team competition and you've got a partner, 233 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: are you someone that immediately goes into okay, this is 234 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: my partner, this is my teammate. I'm going to ask 235 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: their input for reading putts, for reading greens, for clubs 236 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: selection or stuff. Because a lot of a lot of 237 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: the you know, like rarely do we see great partnerships 238 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 1: that kind of embrace that, but there were a lot 239 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: of I mean, just in looking at some of the guys, 240 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean, some of the guys just they do their 241 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: own thing. And there are players that really like having 242 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: a partner and really like asking questions. And then there 243 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: are players that say, listen, I'm just gonna do all 244 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: this on my own. So what type of player? When 245 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: you were on the soul Hum Cup did you say, okay, 246 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: you're out first with Anna nord Quist? How quickly did 247 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: you say okay, hey, take a look, what do you 248 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: think about this? Or did you kind of do your 249 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: own thing? 250 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: It was kind of in between. 251 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: So I knew she obviously she's very experienced and she's 252 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 2: a veteran, and she knows what she's doing, so I 253 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 2: know she's probably not going to ask me for much help. 254 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 2: But I knew she was there if I needed anything. 255 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: There were obviously some like game plans we went through, 256 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 2: like Part fives, where to put her on the layup 257 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: or whether like if it was a tough shutout of 258 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 2: the bunker, like where would she like to would she 259 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: like for me to go for it, or maybe put 260 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: ourselves in a more strategic position. So we're kind of 261 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: in between. I don't think we read any pots together, 262 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: but there were some of those during the game decisions 263 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: that we did make together, and she was she always 264 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: made herself available for me. She told me she's there 265 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 2: if I need anything, And a couple of times I 266 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: think she noticed that I was kind of like I 267 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: had a couple a couple of holes that I wasn't 268 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 2: doing so great. So she came up to me and 269 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: was like, hey, you got this, and like gave me 270 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: a little bit of a confidence boost. And that was 271 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: great because she's someone that I really look up to. 272 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: So when we look at the men, it's been, you know, 273 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: since two thousand. I mean I was at was in 274 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Is the last time the US men's 275 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: team for the Ryder Cup has won on foreign soil. 276 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: You were part of a Solheim Cup team that won 277 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: in the US. How is that different, because I think 278 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: there's I almost think it's it would be cooler to 279 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: win one on foreign soil. I mean, obviously, winning in 280 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: Europe is an amazing experience, right, and you've got the 281 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: crowd on your side, But when you're actually able to 282 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: go over to the US and you actively feel like 283 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: you're hitting shots and making putts that are actually silencing 284 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: the crowd, that must be really a cool, cool feeling 285 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: when you're on the golf course. Yeah. 286 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: I mean the crowds were really quiet in the end 287 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 2: because there were no European fans during COVID. Nobody could 288 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: come in. Not even our families were able to make 289 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: it over. 290 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: So it really was just the team, the captains and 291 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: the caddies. 292 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, like some of our spouses were there. 293 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: But in the end of the last last day, it 294 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: was very quiet and it was so satisfying because I 295 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: mean we were underdogs that week, like we weren't really 296 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,359 Speaker 2: expected to win. Nobody, we didn't have any fans and 297 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: on us oil. I mean, it just made us so 298 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: much better. 299 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: So you got your first PGA Tour win in twenty 300 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: twenty one, first female from Finland to win on the LPGO. 301 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: I think it's very important when we look at countries 302 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: that aren't, you know, the big, big golf countries. Finland 303 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: is not a big golfing country. It doesn't have a massive, 304 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: massive history. Miko Elinan, who I used to work with, 305 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: won the British am won a bunch of tournaments in 306 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: Europe and stuff. He was kind of the flag bearer 307 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: for Finnish golf. Do you feel like, do you feel 308 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: an extra sense of responsibility now that you've won as 309 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: the first female on the LPGA Tour from Finland, because 310 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: I think it's huge for developing golf in smaller golf countries. 311 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: Everybody's idols are for you. It's easy for your idol 312 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: to be, you know, on a Anka or Tiger Woods 313 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: or something. But I think it's really important to have 314 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: people that you can look up to, that you can say, Okay, yeah, 315 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: obviously I'd like to be the next Anica Sore and 316 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: Sam I'd love to be the next Cary Web. But 317 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm thirteen fourteen years old right now. I live in Helsinki, Finland. 318 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: Here's someone that is from where I'm from. They grew 319 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: up in the same place that I did. I think 320 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: that's really important for the younger generation to see people 321 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: like yourself. You know, female junior golfers in Finland now 322 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: have someone They say, listen, she's one on the LPGA Tour, 323 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: she's one on the led, she played on a Soul 324 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: High Cup. That's who I want to be. I don't 325 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: want to necessarily be somebody that I'll never get a 326 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: chance to meet that's from the United States or from 327 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: somewhere else. I want to be the next Matilda. Yeah. 328 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: I mean it's really cool to hear some of the 329 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: juniors tell others that they want to be like me. 330 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: I mean, the last couple of years has been really 331 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: amazing to like build that platform and it's just an 332 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: honor for me to carry the finished flag on tour 333 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: and you. 334 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: Get to do it in the Olympics as well. 335 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hope to do it again, and I 336 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: hope to achieve bigger and better things as well. And 337 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 2: I want to be that person that the juniors will 338 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: look up to and they kind of see that they 339 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 2: can do it too. Because I was the second finish 340 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 2: player on the LPGA. There was a lady called Mini Bloomfish. 341 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, So I looked up to her and 342 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: she was kind of my role model when I was 343 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: a little girl, and I knew she played out here, 344 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,719 Speaker 2: and that was kind of why I wanted to come 345 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 2: to the States and play. Yeah. 346 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: That's my point. I think when we look at developing 347 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: golfers and people say, well, it's not a big golf market, 348 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: I'm always looking at, Okay, who are the players coming 349 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 1: out of that system? Right that other people can kind 350 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: of look up to and you have someone that say, Okay, 351 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: I can make it because they made it. They're from 352 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: where I'm from, and I think, you know, I heard 353 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: somebody say something. Everybody thinks if you think that, oh, 354 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: you know, I can't make it, everything stacked against me. 355 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: They always say, listen, if somebody from where you're from 356 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: has made it, that means that there is a pathway 357 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: that you can go out and try and do some 358 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: of the same things. The golf season in Finland is 359 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: not long, right, how many months would you say the 360 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: finished golf season is. 361 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,880 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're lucky in hell, thinky you get 362 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: May till October, which is not terrible, but it takes 363 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 2: a while for the golf course. 364 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: To being good. 365 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: I mean in Finland it can still be snowing in 366 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: May it could be, and then the further north you go, 367 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: the season obviously is really really shrunk. 368 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so golf is not being you know, ice hockey 369 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: is huge other when sports. So I'm just really happy 370 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: to see that golf is growing in Finland. There's more 371 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: juniors coming out. There's a guy, Sammy Valimachi who just 372 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: got his agatory first finished golfer. So there's some really 373 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: exciting things happening, a lot of good momentum, and I 374 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: hope it just keeps growing. 375 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: You made the jump from Finland Plager college golf at 376 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: Florida State one six, seven times seven times, seven nights seven. 377 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: What's the difference would you say between winning in college 378 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: because obviously multiple winner A lot of a lot of 379 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: girls go to college and they never win anything. So 380 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: to have that type of career second team All American, 381 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: but to win seven times you can't fake that, right, 382 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, if you can get lucky and win once, 383 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: but to win multiple multiple times in college is huge. 384 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: What is the difference between do you think winning in 385 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: college and then making that jump having now won in 386 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: Europe and on the LPGA, what do you feel like 387 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: the jump is or is there no jump? Is it 388 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: just I mean we always say listen, it's golf, right, 389 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: It's golf the collegiate level versus the LPGA level. The 390 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: only difference is the stage is bigger, right, the stakes 391 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: are bigger, You're playing for more, But at the end 392 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: of the day, it's still just golf. Did you notice 393 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: a difference between college golf and professional golf? 394 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: I did, and I had my first couple of years 395 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: as a professional were not great. I kind of had 396 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: like this, I don't know, culture shock. Maybe I played 397 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 2: on these. 398 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: Just kind of freaked out when you got there, or 399 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,959 Speaker 1: were like, Wow, it's a bigger stage, or put too 400 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: much pressure on yourself. 401 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: Oh, there were a lot of good players, because I 402 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: was when I was in college. There's not that many 403 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 2: girls to complete and compete against. 404 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's normally one at each school, Right, You're not rarely, 405 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: and this happens in men's college golf as well. Rarely 406 00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: do you have four just absolute superstars playing every week 407 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: on the same team. And ladies golf is no different. 408 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 1: You're going to play tournaments where there's really probably you know, 409 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: if there's fifty sixty people playing, there's really only a 410 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: small amount of people that are really going to have 411 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: an opportunity to win the tournament. 412 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 413 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: Right, when you make that jump from college to the 414 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: professional rank, then everybody's good. Right, do you feel like 415 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: you can sometimes? You know, it's funny. I had Joe Scovern, 416 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: Ricky Fewler's old caddy and now caddies for Tom Kim, 417 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: and he said one of the things that he noticed 418 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: about Tom is he didn't seem even though he was 419 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: a rookie and just getting his first month, he didn't 420 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 1: seem like he was kind of freaked out about being 421 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: on tour. And he he said something that I thought, 422 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: and I'd love to get your opinion on this. It's 423 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: easy to get lost on tour. When you're a rookie. 424 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: You can come out, you can try stuff, you can 425 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: you have more access to stuff. 426 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 3: It can be intimidating. 427 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: It can be intimidating because I think you can sometimes 428 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: you can overpractice, you can bounce around with coaches, you 429 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: can bounce around with caddies. Was that the culture shock 430 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: you were talking about, where you're like, okay, and here's 431 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: the other thing. Nobody tells you how to be a 432 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: professional golfer. Right. There's no school you go to. They 433 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 1: don't take, there are no classes you take, and nobody 434 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: really sits you down and says, Okay, you've come from 435 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: playing college golf. Now you're going to try and be 436 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: a professional. Whether you're on the Semetra Tour, whether you're 437 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: on the LED Wherever or the LPGA, it's different. 438 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everyone was so good, so if I 439 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 2: didn't have a great week, instead of being still in 440 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 2: the top twenty. In college, I would miss the cut 441 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 2: and not make any money. So that was really shocking 442 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 2: to me, and it kind of like it affected my confidence. 443 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: But after a couple of years I worked through it. 444 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,479 Speaker 2: And then I got to the LPGA, and I was like, Okay, 445 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 2: it's the same thing, but now it's just like a 446 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: step above. 447 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 3: Everyone's just a. 448 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 2: Little bit more better or a little better than the 449 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: previous stage I was in. So I think I was 450 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,719 Speaker 2: really comfortable on the LPGA because of that. I had 451 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: already gone through like this tough time in my career, 452 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: and I just kept on playing golf and kept. 453 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: On doing what I was doing. 454 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 2: And I have a really good friend who helped me 455 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: a lot, Kelly ten She's been on tour for ten 456 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 2: years now, I think, and she helped me a lot 457 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: my rookie year just to kind of learn the ropes. 458 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 3: And yeah, that was a huge help. 459 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: When you, I mean, in looking at your like I said, 460 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: I look at your stats from last year versus twenty two. 461 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: One of the other things was this was a year 462 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: where you missed a bunch of cuts. I think you 463 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: missed ten cuts. Last year you only missed two when 464 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,639 Speaker 1: you are missing cuts. Was it a year to where 465 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: you just weren't playing good and you're missing the cuts 466 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 1: by a lot, or was this a year to where 467 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: you're like you're missing cuts by one shot and you're like, Okay, 468 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: I didn't really play that poorly, but I missed another cut. 469 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: And it's how you get out of that kind of 470 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: spiral thing thing because you, like you said, you can 471 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 1: get you get on the no cut train, right, You 472 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: can just you can start to get on that train 473 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: to where you know Thursday you don't really really play 474 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: that great, so you know Friday you're basically going to 475 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: be playing the whole day right on the cut line, right, 476 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: and you know it, right, you know whether you're teeing 477 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: off early or you're teeing off late on Friday based 478 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: off what you did the day before. You're looking at 479 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: the scores, you're like, Okay, this is going to be 480 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: one of those days to where now I'm starting on 481 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: Friday knowing that I need to shoot a good score 482 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 1: today to make the cut. Talk to me about that situation, 483 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: because that can go one of two ways, right, you 484 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: can start to press too early, or you can use 485 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: that I'm always fascinated when players are knowing going into 486 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: Friday they are on the cut line. Sometimes you go 487 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: you shoot sixty six or you shoot sixty eight, and 488 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: you don't really, but it always seems like when you 489 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: have that run to where you're missing cuts and you're 490 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: right on the cut line, everything that go wrong goes wrong. 491 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: Every break that you don't need to have, that you 492 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: need to have, you don't get Did you miss a 493 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: lot of cuts this year by one or two? Or 494 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: was it just not really playing that great? 495 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: Early in the year I missed a few cuts just 496 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: by one three I think it was three in a row. 497 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: So frustrated. 498 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: It was so frustrating. But later in the year, I 499 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 2: just I wasn't playing well enough. I really struggle getting 500 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: out of the tea box, like no matter what club 501 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: was in my hand, I just I just really struggled. 502 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: Did you when you got up on the tee was 503 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: it as much a mental Did it become as much 504 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: a mental thing as a physical thing to where you 505 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: haven't been driving it great? Even though the fairway can 506 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: seem wide open, all you see is the trouble. Was 507 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: it that type of thing to where you're standing up 508 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: there and you're not freely swinging, you know, just standing 509 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: up and saying, listen, I'm not worried about the outcome, 510 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: or did you feel like you had the handbreak on 511 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: and you were a little bit worried and that I. 512 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 2: Was always worried about the outcome, and it was it's 513 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: been really hard getting out of that mindset. 514 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 3: And some days it would be great. 515 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: I would I could shoot six under, and then some 516 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: days I'll maybe hit three fairways and that's it. And 517 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if I'm if it's the widest fair 518 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,879 Speaker 2: one in the course or the tightest one. It just 519 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 2: it's a mental thing. And that's kind of what I 520 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 2: struggled with this like late summer. And yeah, it's it's 521 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 2: really tough. 522 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: People always say, I mean, you know, one of the 523 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: old cliches, you drive for show, but you putt for dough. 524 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: But if you're going to play competitive golf at the 525 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: elite tour level, if you can't drive the golf ball, yeah, 526 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: it makes things exponentially just so much more difficult. 527 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 2: I was just asking to have it in play and 528 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 2: I couldn't, and that just made everything else so difficult. 529 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: And yeah, you feel like it was how much of it. 530 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: Do you feel like the poor driving this year in 531 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: twenty three, But so how much do you feel like 532 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 1: that was technique and how much do you feel like 533 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: that was execution the way that your mental approach was 534 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: Because I think it's always I mean, we're all predeposed 535 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: as golfers to think everything that we do wrong is technique, Right, Okay, 536 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: I gotta go to the range and technique, But you're 537 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: also saying that you're going to the golf course with 538 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: the driver and you're just hoping to get it in play. 539 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: So how much this year and if you had it 540 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: to do over again, would you say, Okay, let me 541 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: maybe switch how I was thinking and see if that 542 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: maybe worked as opposed to just more technique, more technique, 543 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: more technique. 544 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I worked on both my mindset and 545 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 2: technique and everything really that I could have. But what 546 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: I would change is I would go back and not 547 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 2: play as much. I felt like I was just pushing 548 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: too hard and kind of like on the edge of 549 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: a burnout. So I just had a lot of anxiety 550 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 2: even just go into the course. I mean, practice one 551 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: would be great. I'm relaxed, I'm having fun, and I'm 552 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: playing really great, and then the tournament would start and 553 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 2: I'm just like and then and then. 554 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Playing golf, and I think this is other, this is 555 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: something else that's really important for everyone listening. It's much 556 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: easier to play good golf when you're in a good 557 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: mental space and you're thinking clearly, you're thinking positively. It's 558 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: hard when it's all. I also think it's hard when 559 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: golf isn't fun. And I think when you you're, like 560 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: you said, you're grinding through all of these weeks, You're 561 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: you're you're missing cuts, you're tired, you're not having a 562 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: lot of fun on the golf course. You need some 563 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: weeks off, but you have to keep playing. And it's 564 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: that balance of okay. And so when when you're in 565 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: that space mentally, how do you try and get through 566 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: it to where you're like, Okay, this isn't this isn't fun. 567 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: I'm not having any fun. I need a couple of 568 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: weeks off, But I can't take any time off. 569 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard. What do you do? 570 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 2: Like, you can try different doing different things. I always 571 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: think if you're just banging your head against the wall, 572 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: you need to get out of it and do something 573 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: completely different. Like maybe try adding someone in your team 574 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: and maybe they could be helpful, like a new new coach, 575 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: or just getting your mindset, like on a different track, 576 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: because wherever you're going is not working. 577 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: That's always, I mean, it's always. It's interesting to listen 578 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: to that from a player's to tandbook because as a 579 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: coach standpoint, you know, I have been you know, I've 580 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: worked with players I thought we were on the right track, 581 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: they were struggling on the golf course, and they will 582 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: come to you and say, listen, I just need I 583 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: just need to make a change. And it's always frustrating 584 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: for me because I'm always like, man, if you just 585 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: if you just stick with this, grind it out, you're 586 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: not that far away. But like you said, sometimes you're 587 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: just like, listen, I just need a just need a reset. 588 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: I just need to reset. And and the majority the 589 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: times in the professional game, that's either the coach or 590 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: the caddy, right, those are the two because and I 591 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: always say this people, you can't fire yourself, right. This 592 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: isn't a team sport to where you can come home 593 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: and say, okay, well I did my job today. I 594 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: shot sixty six, but she shot over par and she 595 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: shot over par so the team didn't play well. Right, 596 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: That's what happened in college and in professional golf. It's 597 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: just you, right, You're the only person that can affect 598 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: the outcome. Are those difficult conversations when you do have 599 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: to say to caddies and coaches, hey, this isn't working out, 600 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm going to try and make a change. 601 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: I mean, of course, then I actually didn't make a 602 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: change that big this year, but I did tell my coach, like, 603 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: whatever we've been doing, we need to just try to 604 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 2: find something else for me to focus on. I didn't 605 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: fire anybody, But. 606 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: I also think that's really something that's important, Matilda, that 607 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: I always say to players. I think sometimes players can 608 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: get into the trap of working with someone and the 609 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: coach that they're working with is telling them to do stuff, 610 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: and I think sometimes it's important to do what you 611 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: did and say, listen, I don't want to I don't 612 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: want to break up, right, I don't want this relationship 613 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: to end. I still want to have you on my team, 614 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: and I still want to have you on my coach. 615 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: But we've got to go in a different direction, right, 616 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: We've got to try some other things. And maybe you can. 617 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: Are you someone that wants a lot of information from 618 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: your coach or you someone that wants minimal information? Because listen, 619 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: I work with three players, but two of the players 620 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: I work with, Dustin Johnson and Brooks kept they want 621 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: as little information as possible, right, And there are a 622 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: lot of times to where as a coach, I'm like, man, 623 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: if I could get in here and just but the 624 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: way they work and the way they operate that they 625 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: just aren't those type of players. So you, as the player, 626 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: what are you looking out? What do you want from 627 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: a coach? What do you want from your instructor? 628 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm they want to get better and that's 629 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 2: the main goal, and I don't want a lot of 630 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: different things thrown in my direction. So as little information 631 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 2: as possible and as effective as I can and as simple. 632 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: I want to keep it simple. I don't want to 633 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: overcomplicate things. And sometimes if there's too much information, that 634 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: kind of overwhelms me. So I'm the same way, like, 635 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 2: I just want little information and let's keep going that 636 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: way and nothing. 637 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: So when looking at twenty twenty four, are you someone 638 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: that is a goal person or you someone that writes goals? Down. 639 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: Are you someone that is going to look at the 640 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: stats from this year and say, okay, let me go 641 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: ahead and sit down with my team and say, okay, 642 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: this is obviously the data tells me this. Or are 643 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: you someone that says, okay, listen, I'm going to write 644 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: down what my goals are. There are players that I've 645 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: worked with your books always writes down as old goals 646 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: and never tells anyone what they are. 647 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 3: Okay. 648 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: So, and when he always used to go New Year's Day, 649 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 1: he said, he used to always go to the beach 650 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: and he would get up early and he would go 651 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: down and he would just go sit on the beach 652 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: and he would write down what his goals were. And 653 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: I've worked with him for almost ten years now. I've 654 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: never known what any of his goals are. 655 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: Okay. 656 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: So are you a goal person? Do you write stuff down? 657 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: Does that help you? Does that not help you? 658 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 659 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 3: I do write my goals down. 660 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: I think that has a lot of power, doesn't it 661 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: to write it down? So you have to look at it. Yeah, 662 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: if you write something down January first, of something that 663 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: you say you want to do, what your goals are, 664 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: the things that you want to change by June. You 665 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: can also see if you can also look back at 666 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: the statement you wrote and check in with yourself and say, Okay, 667 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: what have I done and hold. I think that's one 668 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: of the reasons why I think writing your goals down 669 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: are really powerful. Yeah, because if you write it down 670 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: that's coming from you, yeah, and then you can go 671 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: back and look at it and say, Okay, well I 672 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: wrote this down on the first of January. What am 673 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: I doing wing Yeah, to try and fix this. 674 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I write my goals down, I go through 675 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 2: them with my coaches, and then we figure out what 676 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 2: do we need to do to accomplish these goals. What 677 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: do you need to have in my daily life to 678 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 2: make this goal happen? So I think it's like, yeah, 679 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 2: you can write down your goals, but if you don't 680 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: know how to get there, that's totally that's next level. 681 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 2: You need to know what you need to do on 682 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 2: a daily basis, weekly basis, monthly basis where you want 683 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 2: to be by March next year. And that's what that's 684 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 2: what we do with my coaches. 685 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: Lastly, we're going to go through all the elements of golf, 686 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: driving the ball, iron, play, short game, and putting. So 687 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: you can take one person on the LPGA Tour to 688 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: come drive the golf ball for you. Who are you choosing? 689 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: I mean, who do you play with where you just say, Man, 690 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: if I could drive a golf ball like that, my 691 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: life would be a hell of a lot easier. 692 00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 3: I think I'd have to choose Nellie. 693 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: I mean, she just drives me. I mean it's far, 694 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: she doesn't miss fairway, she hits it miles. I mean 695 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: she's an unbelievable driver of the golf. 696 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, for iron play, I choose myself. When I'm at 697 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 2: my bed, I think like that, Yeah, that's really my strength, 698 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 2: and I'm working hard to get back there. 699 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 3: I want to be in that from last year. 700 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, one hundred and thirteenth. But I 701 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: mean that's where I think the stats are powerful. People 702 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: don't realize. I mean you just look at it and 703 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, I'm hitting sixty five percent of my 704 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: greens this year and last year I'm hitting seventy one percent. 705 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: That might be one or two greens per round. But 706 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: if you come off the golf course and you just say, okay, 707 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: just if I can hit one, maybe two more greens 708 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: around the stats go the other way and your confidence 709 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: goes up a lot too. 710 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Also the proximity whole, Like twenty twenty one, I 711 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 2: felt like I was always hitting it so close, and 712 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 2: even the courses I had really small greens, I felt 713 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 2: like I was. It wasn't a big deal to me. 714 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 2: I think I was top three in greens per a round. 715 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 2: So yeah, trying to get back there. I know I'm 716 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 2: really good at that, and I know I have it 717 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 2: in me. 718 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: Just the short game on the LPGA Tour. Whose short 719 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: game do you look at it and you just say, man, 720 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: give me some of that? 721 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 3: Um Harley Yojo Kim. 722 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. She every time I play with her, she makes 723 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 2: at least one chip off. 724 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: The green Lydia coos short games. Lydia Yeah, dirty as well. 725 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 3: I mean she putting. 726 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: I mean she's a pretty good part. So I mean 727 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: putting wise, who are you taking for putting? 728 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 3: I think I choose Lea. 729 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: I mean she just I mean she has what my 730 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: dad calls grape putters. Have their putts have to go 731 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,760 Speaker 1: in look right, even when they miss putts, their putts 732 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: look like they're going to go in, look like they 733 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: have the right speed. Are you someone Matilda likes the 734 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: die your putts in the hole, or you someone that 735 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: feels like you're an aggressive kind of more kind of 736 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:58,640 Speaker 1: forceful putter. 737 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 2: When I'm putting a I'm definitely more aggressive. The ball 738 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 2: goes in with more speed. So that's what I'm trying 739 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 2: to be. 740 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,879 Speaker 1: We're not going to let you go without giving us. 741 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: You don't have to tell us all of them. You 742 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: can keep somewhere for yourself, but give us one of 743 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: the goals you've got for twenty twenty four. What's something 744 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: that you want to share with us to say, Okay, 745 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 1: this is something, because it's gonna be out there now. 746 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: So you've actually said it. 747 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 3: I think you can probably guess it. 748 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: Drive the ball better, no, well, high soul high. Okay, 749 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: So the next two years we've got a two year cycle. 750 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: Everything in twenty twenty four and twenty years. Oh you guys, 751 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: they only have one year. That's right, you only have 752 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 1: one year. 753 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, this year we're getting on that back on that 754 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 2: opposite side of the men's really okay. 755 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: So the COVID thing kind of condensed everything and switch it. 756 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: So now you guys, so just this year okay, hmm, 757 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: it's the goal. 758 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 3: Obviously, I want to drive the ball better. That's going 759 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 3: to help me get there. 760 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: Drive the ball better, and another Solheim Cup that you're 761 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: hoping to play in America. So I mean you've got 762 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: to be a pick because I mean you've won one before. 763 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 3: Right, we'll see. 764 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: Great to talk to you about, Matilda. 765 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 3: Thanks. 766 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: I think everybody's going to be watching and looking for 767 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: that kind of form from twenty twenty one. Get after it. 768 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: Drive the ball better. Yes, well, thank you, good to 769 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: talk to you. 770 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 3: Thank you. 771 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: So that was Matilda Castro And like I said, everybody 772 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 1: that plays professional golf kind of has their story, and 773 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: I think she was really really honest about you know, 774 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: last year in twenty twenty three wasn't the best year 775 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 1: that chanced And listen, it's hard to keep producing year 776 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: after year after year. And that's what the great players do, right. 777 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: They make golf look easy, they make winning look very 778 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: very easy, and you think that you're just going to 779 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: be a winner and keep winning all the time, and 780 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't turn out like that. And I think 781 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: getting a perspective from Matilda on you know, not the 782 00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: best year that she's had last year and how she's 783 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: trying to come back from it, in twenty twenty four. 784 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,200 Speaker 1: She talked a lot about driving the golf ball and listen, 785 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: everybody that's listening and trying to improve their game. The 786 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: tour players are trying to do the same thing. They 787 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: struggle with the same things we all struggle with. They 788 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 1: have good days, they have bad days. They have days 789 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: where they hit a good days where they don't hit 790 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: it great. And I think the more everybody that's trying 791 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,439 Speaker 1: to get better at golf, the more you can hear 792 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: that the best players in the world are trying to 793 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: do the exact same thing that you're doing. We're all 794 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: in the same boat. We're all just trying to improve 795 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: our golf, hit better shots and improve our scores. So 796 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: really really cool for everyone to listen to Matilda, and 797 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: she was pretty candid, so I want to thank her 798 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: and definitely a player that I'll be looking at in 799 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Thanks everyone for listening, Rate review, subscribe 800 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Son of a which comes 801 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: to you every Wednesday. We'll see you next week.