WEBVTT - Geoff Ogilvy - Part 1

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This week we have a two part podcast for you

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<v Speaker 1>with two thousand and six US Open Champion Jeff Ogilvie.

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<v Speaker 1>Besides playing on the PGA Tour, Jeff is also a

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<v Speaker 1>golf course architect in his spare time, partnering with Michael Clayton,

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Kaking and Ashley Mead and their firm OCCM. In

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<v Speaker 1>Part one, Jeff and I discussed life on the PGA Tour,

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<v Speaker 1>match play, winning versus contending young Australian players, the evolution

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<v Speaker 1>of the game and much more. Part two the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>will be released on Tuesday night. If you don't yet,

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<v Speaker 1>please subscribe to the podcast and rate and review us

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<v Speaker 1>in the app Store. Thanks, and without further ado, here's

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Ogilvie.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 2>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in.

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<v Speaker 1>A Frida Egg Friday egg, the dreaded Frida Egg Friday egg,

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<v Speaker 1>right egg, bright egg, bright egg, bright egg, Lie, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about ready to run off the golf course. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like a typical week looks like when you're not playing golf.

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<v Speaker 2>What's probably different now than it used to be. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I was a get home Sunday night. It's gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>a wake up Monday morning and like work out what

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<v Speaker 2>time I was going to go to the golf course

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<v Speaker 2>and practice. That's what a young professional golfer does, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've been a golf tragic my whole life.

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<v Speaker 2>So I h you spend Sunday night on the airplane

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<v Speaker 2>coming home wondering what you did wrong or lacking what

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<v Speaker 2>you did right, and getting about working on that more

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<v Speaker 2>for the week off. A little different now I've married up,

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<v Speaker 2>three kids at home and been at this for twenty

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<v Speaker 2>odd years. It's kind of I don't really kind of

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<v Speaker 2>my hands don't really touch the club glove doesn't get

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<v Speaker 2>on zipped till about Thursday. Now. Probably if I've played

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<v Speaker 2>two or three weeks in a row, three or four

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<v Speaker 2>days off, and I take the kids to school on Monday,

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<v Speaker 2>and I probably Monday I'll usually just sit on the couch.

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<v Speaker 2>I just not very much. Tuesday, Wednesday I might start

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<v Speaker 2>getting around and running in little lens I need to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Thursday, like Wednesday night, I'll start getting excited

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll start going to the golf course on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>penafew balls and playing any games of golf that are

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<v Speaker 2>around and stuff like that. So it's less of a

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<v Speaker 2>grindy kind of all all in approach to golf now

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<v Speaker 2>more like a I really enjoy the kind of days

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<v Speaker 2>away when I get them.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Yeah, that's I feel it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>On my end.

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<v Speaker 1>Is just like I play a lot less now than

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<v Speaker 1>I play when I was younger, but I enjoy it

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more. When you're out on tour and you're,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, at an event, what do you do with

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the considerable downtime that you guys have.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to be I I used to like when

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<v Speaker 2>I played in Europe, early days and early stuff. I

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<v Speaker 2>used to love going to see the town, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever was around, Like if I mean, sometimes we got

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<v Speaker 2>to some pretty uninteresting places and there's not much to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But whenever we get somewhere like say Chicago or La

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<v Speaker 2>or New York or some places in Florida, there's always

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere cool to go and do, something to do. And

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<v Speaker 2>I used to do a lot of that, but the

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<v Speaker 2>last of five or six years, it's much more get

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<v Speaker 2>back to the room and find find a show to

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<v Speaker 2>binge watch on Netflix, and just go. That's getting to

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<v Speaker 2>be a pretty popular afternoon sort of for the guys

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<v Speaker 2>out here is find something to binge and just watch

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<v Speaker 2>it because it feels the time and it's enjoyed and

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<v Speaker 2>it gets your head out of your putting stroke or

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<v Speaker 2>your golf swing or tell me about a golf and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just that nice little kind of tune out and

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<v Speaker 2>shut down and just watch TV. So I watch. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>running out of shows to watch because I've done them

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<v Speaker 2>all the last four or five years. But that's the

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<v Speaker 2>new thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine that technology has made it far, far easier

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<v Speaker 1>for the tour pro to keep themselves busy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's brilliant. Now, I mean good old days. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>my early days was just the early days of remember

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<v Speaker 2>like sticking the cable into the phone and trying to

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<v Speaker 2>find the dial up code, and every now and then

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<v Speaker 2>you'd get a half decent thing and you could look

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<v Speaker 2>at the Internet for about half an hour, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was such a frustrating experience that it really wasn't something

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<v Speaker 2>to fill your afternoon. And the movies on TV were

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<v Speaker 2>expensive and you'd seen them all and it's great now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean phones and computers and iPads and you can

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<v Speaker 2>there's tons of guys. There's guys travel with xboxes and

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<v Speaker 2>play video games together and like online stuff. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>much easier to waste an afternoon now than it ever

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<v Speaker 2>used to be. Yeah, it's quite funny.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the what's your favorite favorite series that you've you've binged?

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<v Speaker 2>I think my favorite show I think was The Wire.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, this is an incredible show. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>think the first one I binged with Sopranos, which is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty normal for a lot of people. It's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those go to shows. I remember watching Sopranos when it

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<v Speaker 2>was on a few times, you know, every few Sundays

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<v Speaker 2>you'd accidentally, Oh, the Sopranos is on. And I probably

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<v Speaker 2>watched twenty of the however many of their episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>there are sixty episodes over the period that it was on,

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<v Speaker 2>but never really followed the story. I just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>enjoyed watching it. But when I binge that start to finish,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was it's so much better when you

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<v Speaker 2>can go back to back to back and you're really

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<v Speaker 2>the story develops and you really start rooting for Tony

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a really I really really enjoyed that, so

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<v Speaker 2>then I kind of then someone recommended if you like

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<v Speaker 2>the Sopranos, because I thought the soprano everyone said, this

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<v Speaker 2>is like the best show I ever made, which people

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<v Speaker 2>say about a lot of stuff, but someone so if

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<v Speaker 2>you like that, you got to watch The Wires. Incredible

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<v Speaker 2>And I hadn't even heard of it, never even remembered

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<v Speaker 2>it what was on TV. But it I've watched it

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<v Speaker 2>all the way through twice. It's just I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just it's so real. I've never lived in Baltimore downtown,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems real. It's not all fluff for TV.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like this is you know, this is what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a brilliant show, fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>I was in college when The Wire was was coming out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, I just my friends and I I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've watched each season probably about six to ten times.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's just the best show I think they did.

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<v Speaker 1>The What's so fascinating is how they encapsulated every single

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<v Speaker 1>level of government and city so well, you know, from

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<v Speaker 1>the mayor all the way down to the drug addict.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it was just amazing. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>nobody was the hero, no one was the bad guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like this is the way it is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. It was I mean the cops were as

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<v Speaker 2>bent as the criminals in some situations. Some of the

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<v Speaker 2>criminals are really good guy Robin Hood type guys, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like that Omar. I was getting from the bad guys

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<v Speaker 2>and giving to the good guys. And it was just

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<v Speaker 2>a just really well done. I had so much depth.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you couldn't miss an episode because so much

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<v Speaker 2>happened in an episode, and it would just follow different

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<v Speaker 2>characters and you'd have your favorites. I just thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was and all kind of no name actors at the time, right,

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<v Speaker 2>no one famous, brilliant own. It's just a brilliant show.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you weren't playing professional golf, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think you'd be doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what I think i'd be doing is I'd probably

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<v Speaker 2>be teaching golf or working in a golf shop somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I like to think I have some sort of great,

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<v Speaker 2>high level corporate job and be living this dream snow,

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<v Speaker 2>but that I don't think that would have the reality

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<v Speaker 2>is I was going to be My education was in golf.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I went to school and I did fine,

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<v Speaker 2>but in my head was always in golf. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if I didn't make it, as long as I had

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<v Speaker 2>a job where I was around golf, I would have

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<v Speaker 2>been happy. Hopefully I would have ended up building golf courses,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think I probably would have ended up a

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<v Speaker 2>club pro somewhere folding some shirts. But if my dream,

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<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't that, that would be the reality of it.

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<v Speaker 2>If I wasn't quite good enough, I would have been there.

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<v Speaker 2>If the dream would have been a place to play music.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always loved music. I always dabble on the guitar,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember listening to music from the youngest age possible.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the Walkman. I got it when

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<v Speaker 2>I was about twelfth birthday or something. I got a

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<v Speaker 2>Walkman and I did not have it off my head

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<v Speaker 2>for like ten years. I just loved it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just amazing. I still love music. The fantasy would be

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<v Speaker 2>like something involved in the music industry, not necessarily a

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<v Speaker 2>rock star, but just involved in music. Favorite band, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a tough question all in all. If you put

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<v Speaker 2>it all in like, I'd probably say Zeppelin, like because

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<v Speaker 2>they just they got a bit for they've got something

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<v Speaker 2>for everyone, and they really kind of changed music a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of music kind of came out of

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what Zeppelin were doing because they kind of

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<v Speaker 2>mixed so many genres together. And it really was the

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<v Speaker 2>first supergroup, you know, I mean four outrageous musicians getting

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<v Speaker 2>together and they actually stayed together for ten years. Prolific songwriters.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean four albums in the first three years, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were all just completely legendary, right, yeah, that would

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<v Speaker 2>be the historic best, but probably current music and stuff

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<v Speaker 2>like Black Keys, White Stripes, Nirvana was a big band

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<v Speaker 2>for me when I was young, Like Cobaine, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>a legend. Listen to stuff like Amy wine House and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot across the board everywhere. Really not a whole

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<v Speaker 2>lot of like rap and hip hop, but I'll listen

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<v Speaker 2>to a little bit of old school hip hop and

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<v Speaker 2>rap every now and then. But well, just anything based

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<v Speaker 2>with based in rock, punk, rock, classic rock, a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of metal every now and then. So that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of guitar based music mostly.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Zeppelin created their own genre, which is it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fascinating how everything trends. It I think parallels with music,

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<v Speaker 1>parallels with golf, course architecture really well in the sense

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<v Speaker 1>that the guys like Dope and Core and Crenshaw Crying

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<v Speaker 1>kind of recreated a new genre and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every all the trends in the industry follow them, just

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, the Golden Age, and then you know

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<v Speaker 1>you had what Die was doing, you know, when he

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<v Speaker 1>started introducing new concepts. It's it's pretty fascinating how music

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<v Speaker 1>and architecture have a parallel there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think about that all the time. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>that's funny that you say that. I mean, I really do.

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I mean, Zeppelin really all that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>sixties kind of seventy early seventies music. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 2>you trace all of it back, it all goes back

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<v Speaker 2>to like the Delta Blues, you know, Robert Johnson stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It all had this root in the blues, which would

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<v Speaker 2>be like the golden age of music, right, the golden

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<v Speaker 2>age of rock music, I guess would be the blues

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<v Speaker 2>from the Southern US. I mean that was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the roots of it all, and Zeppelin just took that

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<v Speaker 2>and did it the best, you know, and they took

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<v Speaker 2>it to so many wild and wonderful places and so

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<v Speaker 2>much variety. It was it really was. Yeah, the Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Die kind of Robert Trent Jones kind of period that fifties, sixties, seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of even eighties really was more specific genres, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was, I mean Pete there was a little

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<v Speaker 2>heavy metal, right, It was a bit sadistic. It was

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<v Speaker 2>all about kind of messing with the player's head, getting

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<v Speaker 2>him to feel kind of confused and out and out difficult,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in a great way. I think Pete Pete

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<v Speaker 2>was great, but yeah, really really difficult. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>had the fluffy style that the pop music. There's been

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<v Speaker 2>so much fluff in architecture, you know, like fountains and

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<v Speaker 2>like white sand and stripy fairways. I mean that's the

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<v Speaker 2>pop music, right, That's the Bay City rollers and with

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<v Speaker 2>no depth. And it's great the first listen when you're great,

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<v Speaker 2>the first listen, or the first time you go play

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<v Speaker 2>the course. But after a while you realize there's just

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<v Speaker 2>nothing there. It's the parallels are great. I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 2>brought that. I've been the only other person I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year I called on Twitter. Firestone is like Nickelback.

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<v Speaker 1>You realize that every hole is like the same song.

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<v Speaker 1>Over and over again, and I got just so much

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<v Speaker 1>heat from Northeast Ohio just trying to defend their tour stout.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, yeah, Akron is lacking depth, there's no question.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's great in that it's historic and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody who's been a great player for the last fifty

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<v Speaker 2>years has played there, and that does something to a

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<v Speaker 2>place that that that creates like a like a vibe

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<v Speaker 2>or sort of some history, and there's something about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always in such a maculate condition and great players

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<v Speaker 2>have always won there, So that's what it's got going

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<v Speaker 2>for it. But it is a little bit nickelback in

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<v Speaker 2>that there's no there's not a whole lot of depth,

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<v Speaker 2>and it really isn't going to inspire you. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>inspire like you don't really want to go out and

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<v Speaker 2>play it.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, speaking of the WGCs, you h you won three

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<v Speaker 1>in your career and two of them were the match

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<v Speaker 1>play tournament. Is there something about match play that particularly

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<v Speaker 1>fits your game or the way you play.

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Firstly, I think I think there's a few factors

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm good at it or I have been good

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<v Speaker 2>at it. Firstly, we play a lot of match play

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia growing up more. I mean, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably less now than there was in say the eighties

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<v Speaker 2>and nineties when I was kind of coming through. But

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<v Speaker 2>every serious amateur tournament bar a couple of them, would

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you qualified with a thirty six ol stroke play,

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<v Speaker 2>but it always ended in match play, and we had

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<v Speaker 2>this interclub pennant stuff. And Australia and especially in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 2>it's great. All the golf courses are in what they

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<v Speaker 2>call pennance, which is there's about eight clubs in the

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<v Speaker 2>division and each team every Sunday for about eight weeks

0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:44.240
<v Speaker 2>in sort of March April May sends their best eight

0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.480
<v Speaker 2>players to go play against the best eight players of

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<v Speaker 2>another club and it creates these kind of cool little

0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:53.360
<v Speaker 2>rivalries between the clubs. And the sand Belt clubs in

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne have always had some of the best players in

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<v Speaker 2>Australia coming through and we all wanted to play it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was this kind of of many little kind

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<v Speaker 2>of Ryder Cup style kind of team match play that

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<v Speaker 2>we would play every week for eight weeks and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of pride at stake, I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>was and if you were playing number one or number two,

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<v Speaker 2>you were playing a top twenty amateur in Australia every

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<v Speaker 2>single week, and we did that every year, and we

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<v Speaker 2>did a lot of that, and that was a big

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<v Speaker 2>deal for us. So I played a lot when I

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<v Speaker 2>was young. It's also my favorite form of the game.

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<v Speaker 2>I just the only one of the only reasons I

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<v Speaker 2>think people generally have long term like annoyances with golf

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<v Speaker 2>is it's always attached to score. It's very rarely just

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<v Speaker 2>attached with just playing gore a shot eighty eight today

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever it is. The score really affects people's enjoyment

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<v Speaker 2>of the game, and I think match play completely gets

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<v Speaker 2>rid of that, and you just it's just a bare

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<v Speaker 2>bones competition and it really doesn't matter what you shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>If you beat your friend, you're happy, you know, or

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<v Speaker 2>your opponent, and it's a good thing. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>think it's it brings out better levels of golfing people,

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<v Speaker 2>or worse, it exposes weaknesses. And I just really enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>the whole, the whole match play thing. It doesn't work commercially,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously professionally, and that's kind of been proven for years

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't really like we couldn't really do it

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<v Speaker 2>every week. It just doesn't fit the kind of corporate

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<v Speaker 2>model that we play under. But I love playing it.

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<v Speaker 2>And also I think if I've ever had issues when

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<v Speaker 2>I play golf, it's because it's a common thing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty most golf is that. But my head gets a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit too in my golf swing and a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit too in technique and hit a bad shot and

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<v Speaker 2>I start messing with my swing. And match play I

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<v Speaker 2>do that a lot less because it's so final, like

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<v Speaker 2>your opponents had a decent shot, where you better hit

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<v Speaker 2>a good shot, so you kind of get your hit

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<v Speaker 2>out of your swing and more into the shot, And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it gets my head in a better place

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<v Speaker 2>to play. So I think it's kind of a there's

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<v Speaker 2>a few reasons why I was decent. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think match play is so much so interesting too

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<v Speaker 1>because of the recovery shots, Like you know, there's so

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<v Speaker 1>much less penalty for making a seven, so you get

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<v Speaker 1>the chance to hit, you know, great shots. You can

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<v Speaker 1>try them more often than you know in stroke play

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<v Speaker 1>where you know you're hit in trouble and then it's hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how can I get out of here with the chance

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<v Speaker 1>for par and at worse make a bogie?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's a much more free wheeling thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you can. You will take on stuff that is would

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<v Speaker 2>be completely like absurd in a stroke play, and especially

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<v Speaker 2>in a four round stroke play, you're kind of building

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<v Speaker 2>your house, right, You've got to build a foundation, do

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<v Speaker 2>everything right along the way, and maybe the end product

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<v Speaker 2>adds up. All right. Yeah, match play, I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>three four shots and that's done. Forget about that and

0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.959
<v Speaker 2>go to the next It doesn't matter if you had

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<v Speaker 2>throw balls out of bounds or you had spin one

0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.399
<v Speaker 2>into the water, like Sergio at the Masters say like that,

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<v Speaker 2>that's fine, Like you just you just go to the

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<v Speaker 2>next hole. It doesn't completely end your week. So you

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<v Speaker 2>do you usually and you'll see that and the match

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<v Speaker 2>playing in the Rider Cup and President's Cup, the level

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<v Speaker 2>of golf player is always higher because because because of

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<v Speaker 2>the team aspect, but also because of that aspect that

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<v Speaker 2>it it's it's it's success or it doesn't matter, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's there's no you don't carry any failures to the

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<v Speaker 2>next hole.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm curious from your perspective, is winning at the

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<v Speaker 1>professional level overrated and is consistency underrated? When you start

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<v Speaker 1>to evaluate somebody's career.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably now both is obviously a sign of a proper golfer.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone who's done both, you know, played for a long

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<v Speaker 2>time and won a lot of tournaments. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Fred Couples, Davis Love, Tiger Woods, Michelson VJ. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>clearly there's a class of player that ticks both boxes,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's obviously the ideal. But if you ask guys

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<v Speaker 2>out here, let's say a guy, there might be some

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<v Speaker 2>guys out here who won five or six times in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years but spent the rest of the time missing

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<v Speaker 2>cuts and just really not competing. Competing once a year

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe winning once every two years. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's great, and historically that gets recognized higher than say

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<v Speaker 2>a player like I'll pick on someone Charles Howe. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about who's a benchmark who every If

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<v Speaker 2>you ask every player out here except that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>handful of guys who have won piles and piles of tournaments,

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<v Speaker 2>almost everyone would have enjoyed Charles Howes's career. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he's spent his career finishing between fifth and twentieth. He

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<v Speaker 2>puts a massive check in the bank every week and

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<v Speaker 2>he just plays what it's just got to be fun

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<v Speaker 2>to play that well all the time. It's just he

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<v Speaker 2>hits the ball great, he parts great, He's got zero

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<v Speaker 2>no weaknesses as a The only weakness you would suggest

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<v Speaker 2>is that his CV doesn't have enough wins for a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that good. But he will historically go down as

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<v Speaker 2>like not that great. But anyone who's played with him

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<v Speaker 2>or been out here for the period that he's been

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<v Speaker 2>out here, I mean he would. A guy like him

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<v Speaker 2>is held in very high regard by the players, but

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<v Speaker 2>maybe by the media and stuff, maybe not so much.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, history likes wins and especially majors and

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<v Speaker 2>big wins. I think it's probably Look, there's a balance.

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<v Speaker 2>I think both. I think both is both as good signs.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the consistent guy like I don't know who,

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<v Speaker 2>like a Jay Haass play six or seven hundred tournaments

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever he did and kept his card pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>every single year and was always putting checks in the

0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.439
<v Speaker 2>bank and was always kind of there or thereabouts and

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<v Speaker 2>contended a few times a year and just a really

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<v Speaker 2>really quality player. I mean, that is much harder to

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<v Speaker 2>do than to do that for thirty years than it

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<v Speaker 2>is to just come up win twice in two years

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<v Speaker 2>and then be offered to it. There's piles and piles

0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:11.400
<v Speaker 2>of those guys. I think we all aspire for consistency.

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<v Speaker 2>We all dream about winning, but we aspire to consistency

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<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I think that's I feel like everybody is always

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get more consistent. Even when Tiger was at

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<v Speaker 1>his peak, he talked about trying to be more consistent.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously the more times you're in contention, you have

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<v Speaker 1>more chances to win, so it goes hand in hand.

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<v Speaker 2>And to me, the fun part, the fun part is contending.

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<v Speaker 2>The winning is great, right. The winning is like the

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<v Speaker 2>birthday cake at the end of the party. It's just tremendous.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you all look forward to it and that's great,

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<v Speaker 2>But everyone at the party has a good time, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's the party. I mean the party. That's

0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.199
<v Speaker 2>the fun. It's the playing and the stress and the

0:21:52.200 --> 0:21:54.320
<v Speaker 2>pressure and the first team and the nerves and hitting

0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 2>shots when you're a bit unsure about it and coming

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<v Speaker 2>up with what you've been working on in practice and

0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:01.680
<v Speaker 2>it works in the tournament. That's the fun. I mean,

0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:04.520
<v Speaker 2>that's the real joy of it. Like it's the it's

0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 2>the hitting the great shot when you're really really your

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 2>hands are shaking and you're not really sure about it

0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:11.920
<v Speaker 2>and you've been dreaming of that shot from your kill.

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<v Speaker 2>You hold that great part in the last hold, even

0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:15.880
<v Speaker 2>if it's a great part to make the cut on Friday,

0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:17.720
<v Speaker 2>then you've really been grinding and you hold that twelve

0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:19.760
<v Speaker 2>foot left to right to make I mean, that's the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what makes it a great job. That to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the fun and contention. You just get that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff way more often, and the win is just

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<v Speaker 2>the is the cherry on top. You know, it's great

0:22:31.480 --> 0:22:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and we all want to do it, and all the

0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:36.119
<v Speaker 2>stuff that comes with winning is brilliant. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>just gave me the trophies and the money and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>let me actually have the experience of it, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I would take it. The experience of it

0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.920
<v Speaker 2>is what is the real kind of joy of the job.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there an event that you didn't win that you

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<v Speaker 1>were in, like the contention deep that like you remember

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<v Speaker 1>the most and think about the most.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really actually, I mean I was fairly lucky

0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 2>h to this point. Hopefully I'm not done vern I

0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:11.159
<v Speaker 2>might be, but hopefully I've got a few more. I

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<v Speaker 2>pop up there a couple more times. But I've never

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<v Speaker 2>really I've gone away a little bit kind of, oh,

0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.119
<v Speaker 2>you could have done better than you could have you

0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:22.639
<v Speaker 2>finished third this week or whatever, you probably should have

0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.680
<v Speaker 2>done that. But I've never really had any regrets. I've

0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 2>never thank goodness, hit one out of bounds on seventeen,

0:23:29.359 --> 0:23:33.159
<v Speaker 2>or like, missed a short part that really really mattered

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to me. I mean, I've missed plenty of short parts,

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:37.080
<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong, but not one that I carried

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 2>with me too much. There's plenty of tournaments that I

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:44.119
<v Speaker 2>wish I'd played a little better. I mean the Masters

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.639
<v Speaker 2>in twenty eleven, when Charlburdie the last five hole of

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 2>were readd. I finished fourth and I ended up four

0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:52.399
<v Speaker 2>shots behind. But at the time I was tied for

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.199
<v Speaker 2>the lead on the seventeenth before he went nuts, and

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.440
<v Speaker 2>that was great and I really enjoyed it. But I'd

0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.959
<v Speaker 2>had two parts in a three part that week, and

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<v Speaker 2>I if I had any regrets and now early in

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 2>the week, but I looked back and like, those four

0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 2>parts were just three parts, you know, But I didn't

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:13.560
<v Speaker 2>carry it with me for very long. I mean I don't.

0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 2>I haven't really had any that I've just taken a

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.399
<v Speaker 2>while to get over. No real heartbreak. I mean I

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.840
<v Speaker 2>don't see the point pretty much every tournament. It's so

0:24:22.880 --> 0:24:25.120
<v Speaker 2>difficult out here that when you actually have a good tournament,

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 2>unless you really really just give it away on the

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 2>last couple of holes, which thank goodness, I've never done.

0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 2>I usually leave after a good tournament excited about the

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 2>next one because, oh I'm informed, like I've just finished third. Shit,

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I can win next week. Let's go next week. I

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:42.479
<v Speaker 2>get so excited about the next week because of how

0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:45.560
<v Speaker 2>my game is that I haven't really looked back. I

0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 2>haven't really carried any regrets really, So that's a nice thing.

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.480
<v Speaker 1>It's a fun game when you're playing well.

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is. I mean that's what you do it for, right,

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's so hard to play well for any

0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 2>length of time that when you do so, it's just

0:24:59.440 --> 0:24:59.879
<v Speaker 2>the best.

0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's everything starts clicking. So if what's the tournament

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:09.120
<v Speaker 1>that you haven't won yet that you'd most like to win,

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.359
<v Speaker 1>is it the Masters?

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.399
<v Speaker 2>It'd be the Masters or the Open, the Open Open,

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 2>not the US Open. Obviously, the Masters is such a

0:25:20.760 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 2>beautiful tournament. It's such just the idea that you could

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:26.400
<v Speaker 2>go back and play there for pretty much as long

0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:31.200
<v Speaker 2>as you wanted. And the Masters is pretty special, pretty

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.200
<v Speaker 2>high on my list, and the Open too. I mean,

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 2>winning an Open, they'd be equal for me. They're clearly

0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.560
<v Speaker 2>equal first, you know, where everything else would be playing

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:51.280
<v Speaker 2>for third if you like, Yeah, it's the amazing. I mean,

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I love the Open. They Opens such a beautiful, special tournament.

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 2>But you can have bad experiences of the Open. If

0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you get the bad drawer and you get the horrible weather,

0:25:58.040 --> 0:25:59.800
<v Speaker 2>it's like you kind of wonder why you even play

0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:03.080
<v Speaker 2>this bought sometimes and sideways reign in Scotland, you know,

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 2>but you never have that at the Masters. You know,

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>it's just all and that's not the Open fault. That's

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>part of it, and that's and you've got to enjoy

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.879
<v Speaker 2>that aspect of it. But getting bad draws and just

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:18.359
<v Speaker 2>getting basically getting a bad your number gets pulled out

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 2>of the hat at the wrong time and you get

0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:22.320
<v Speaker 2>your chance for the tournament basically gets taken away from you.

0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.879
<v Speaker 2>There's that aspect. This is kind of a bit frustrating

0:26:24.960 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 2>sometimes the Masters, just because of it's such an exclusive place,

0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:33.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's such a hard place to get in the gate.

0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>Even to basically have kind of the past, to go

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 2>to Augusta whenever you wander for the rest of your life,

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:40.280
<v Speaker 2>that would be pretty special.

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:46.600
<v Speaker 1>What about Augusta makes it so great?

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>They tick every box? Firstly, I'm not a big proponent

0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 2>for the exclusivity of the place. I'm not big on

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 2>these kind of closed door clubs that perhaps and have

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 2>not kind of side of things. I mean, I know

0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 2>it exists, and it's part of it, and that's part

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>of why the Masters is the Masters, right because no

0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 2>one's really allowed to go there and we for one

0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>week a year, we get the glimpse it on TV

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 2>and the lucky few get to go see it, right.

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.959
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's that's part of its appeal. I get that.

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 2>But the courses, the courses like strategically the most interesting

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:28.120
<v Speaker 2>we play outside of perhaps some of the open courses.

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:36.040
<v Speaker 2>It's there's no stone unturned, you know. They the food

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:40.919
<v Speaker 2>is incredibly good. The practice range now is just the

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 2>best there is. I mean, it's there's the practice rounds

0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 2>for us, there's there's only players and caddies inside the ropes.

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:49.120
<v Speaker 2>There's no one else there, so you don't get these

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 2>like seventeen odd people entourages walking down the first fairway,

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, with with psychologists and trainers and stuff and

0:27:55.440 --> 0:27:57.400
<v Speaker 2>the fairies, which just kind of makes the practice rounds

0:27:57.400 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a mess, you know, like the autograph

0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 2>policy and that they have this great setup where kids

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.480
<v Speaker 2>get kids have a little spot and we all signed

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.159
<v Speaker 2>to the kids and we're not really supposed to sign

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.080
<v Speaker 2>on the golf course side of the clubhouse. So we

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 2>have these great practice round where you actually start interacting

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>with the fans a little bit because they're not throwing

0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 2>sharpies in your face, you know, so you have conversations

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:22.120
<v Speaker 2>their cell phone, chatting under the tree and stuff. It's

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:22.679
<v Speaker 2>just great.

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the cell phone thing too. They aren't taking pictures,

0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>so they're actually brilliant.

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's just they've just got everything worked out,

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 2>you know. Like and I've obviously been there a lot

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 2>of times, and so every time, I mean, we all

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 2>use our tickets and you get a lot of friends

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 2>when you're getting into the Masters, obviously, but I've never

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:47.200
<v Speaker 2>had someone I've taken to the Masters not walk out going,

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, that's the best sporting event I've ever

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:50.920
<v Speaker 2>been to. I mean, everybody says the same thing. I mean,

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 2>it's just across the board, just the just the best

0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 2>sporting event there is in the world. From that, from

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>a from a event kind of running perspective, there might

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 2>be I mean the Olympics is great, and the World

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Cup soccer and ride a Cup and all that, but

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 2>from a from how they run the tournament, like a

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>from a management thing, it's just it's just amazing. And

0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>every year you go back, they've just kind of you

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:20.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't think there was anything wrong with it, but they've

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>just kind of made it just a little bit better.

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>You know. It's it's an incredible production. And the golf

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>course they've got it so dialed in. They understand their

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 2>golf course so well that they they don't they can't

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 2>dictate who's going to play well, but they really can

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of decide by pimpositions and set up how how

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>it's going to come down to the end, how it's

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>going to come down to the end on Sunday, you know,

0:29:50.320 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean they kind of they can set up the

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 2>course so it's difficult on Thursday and a little bit

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 2>easier on Friday, and then if they don't, if it's

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.239
<v Speaker 2>a little bit tough on Friday, then then and then

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>they let guys have a few birdies on Saturday to

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 2>create the excitement. I mean, it just got it so

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 2>worked out. It's very hard to remember too many Masters that,

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 2>with two hours to play weren't EDGBC compelling, you know,

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>every single time. It just seems to be that way. Yeah,

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just I mean, I'm obviously like being maybe

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>even over positive or about this, but it's just there

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 2>is no other event that seems to get it right

0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:32.360
<v Speaker 2>more often than they do.

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, the one that looked like it was

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>going to be a snooze fest in recent time was

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 1>speak and sure enough, then twelve happened, and then it

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>was like one of the most fascinating finishes of the

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>last ten years. But so, I mean, Augusta is a

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 1>it's a really cool place in the Masters. Obviously, it's

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:54.440
<v Speaker 1>like the pinnacle of the golf yere, which is kind

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>of depressing that it happens in April. But how have

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 1>you noticed that the professional game has changed over your

0:31:03.080 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>career in the last fourteen years or so since you've

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>been prevalent on the PGA Tour.

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, the obvious thing is well, the obvious thing is

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 2>that the way guys hit the ball and the way

0:31:17.840 --> 0:31:20.560
<v Speaker 2>guys work on their golf games. I mean, I was

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>coming kind of coming up at the end of that

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 2>era where we still really didn't know how to swing it.

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Probably you know, there was still lots of schools of

0:31:30.160 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 2>thought on technique. Your coaching and stuff would be a

0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>little bit of guesswork, a little bit of filling. Each

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 2>coach would have his own like kind of take on

0:31:41.280 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 2>some and some of them were really different. And guys

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 2>really didn't start hitting the ball well un till they're

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>in their thirties, and didn't really start playing very well

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 2>until really kind of getting into that top echelon until

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>they were in their thirties and they had ten years

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.239
<v Speaker 2>under that belt and they'd kind of really learned how

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>to play goal golf. It's different now, I mean, it's

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:04.560
<v Speaker 2>it's so well coached. The I think the video camera

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 2>was the worst thing that ever happened for golf technique,

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>and I think track Man might be the best. It's

0:32:13.080 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 2>it's just a guys swing it great. When they're young,

0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 2>they hit it miles, they've got their bodies under control.

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the fitness side of it is much more understood.

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 2>They just the youngsters come out much more polished, much

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:38.239
<v Speaker 2>just just more experienced looking players like first year and

0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>that never happened before, Like it was. It just it

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 2>just it used to take such a long time to

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>learn the craft that you really you just did your

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>time for the first two or five or six years

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 2>until you kind of worked it out. And every now

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>and then there was an outlier like Tiger or Sergio

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 2>that got it dumbs right away, but generally it was

0:32:57.880 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 2>a tough game to learn quickly, and guys are learning

0:32:59.880 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>it much quicker.

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of one of my theories on what's happened

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 1>with pro golf and why there's been this twenty year

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>old explosion was that, you know, my generation, your generation,

0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>like I didn't, like now, I know really how to

0:33:14.720 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>swing a golf club, and I didn't when I was

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 1>in college and in high school. But when TrackMan came out,

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>it really changed, and you know, this generation's kind of

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:27.600
<v Speaker 1>had to adapt their swing to this this idea ideal

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>you know swing. But these young twenty year old kids

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 1>have learned from the beginning how to swing it properly.

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean I think track Man it completely

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.920
<v Speaker 2>flipped around. Without getting too technical, I mean, everybody always

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 2>had the ball starting on your swing path and a

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 2>curving relative to the face. Well, I guess all of

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:51.840
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, track Man and the launch model has proved

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 2>that actually, now the ball starts on the face faceline,

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:57.840
<v Speaker 2>which was a complete reversal of what everybody thought. And

0:33:57.840 --> 0:33:59.959
<v Speaker 2>for the non technical minor that probably doesn't mean that much,

0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 2>but it completely opened everyone's eyes about how to get

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the club on the ball. And then everybody started working

0:34:09.560 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 2>out where you're going to have to arrange your body

0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 2>this way in order for impact to be this way.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 2>It's a game technically full of contradictions, and it's such

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:24.920
<v Speaker 2>a game of opposites all the way through which Hogan

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>references to his books. I mean, Hogan obviously had all

0:34:26.960 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 2>this worked out, but it took him thirty years of

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.600
<v Speaker 2>banging balls on the range to get there. Right. Kids

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 2>are getting there now and they're twenty because of things

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 2>like track Man. But it from day one. I mean

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 2>they tell you to hit it down to make the

0:34:39.080 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 2>ball go up. I mean that is just against all

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.560
<v Speaker 2>instinct that we have to swing down to make the

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 2>ball go up. If the ball goes low, all we

0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 2>all want to just lift it up. But what happens

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 2>is when you start trying to lift it up, is

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:53.959
<v Speaker 2>you either top of the ball and it goes really low,

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 2>or if you're actually talented, you'll hit the club on

0:34:55.920 --> 0:34:57.839
<v Speaker 2>the ball and the ball will start slicing to the right.

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 2>So the ball goes to the right. So going to

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.280
<v Speaker 2>make the next one go right? So you start swinging

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:05.359
<v Speaker 2>really hard over the top. You swing it left because

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 2>you don't want the club to the ball to go right.

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 2>So what does that make it? It makes it go

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:10.879
<v Speaker 2>further to the right. And the game is full of that,

0:35:11.320 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 2>and we had to fight that, you know. But pre

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>all this understanding, it was really was trial by error.

0:35:19.280 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 2>And it's really hard to find something trial by error

0:35:21.520 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 2>when all of your instincts are the opposite of what

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:29.440
<v Speaker 2>they need to be. It's a goal. So this this

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the track man and understanding really what does make a

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 2>ball draw or make it fade or go a long

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:39.520
<v Speaker 2>way or whatever has kind of kind of opened the

0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 2>door of this great coaching. When you said these guys

0:35:42.160 --> 0:35:45.120
<v Speaker 2>like XEROFL they come out and their kids and they

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 2>just swing. It's so technically pure, that they're so far

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 2>in front of the curve from relative to where we

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:52.959
<v Speaker 2>were when we were twenty one twenty two, that it's

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 2>it's almost not a fair fight anymore, you know. It's incredible.

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.799
<v Speaker 1>So I'm curious when we're talking about young players of

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:06.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a plethora of young talented Australians. If

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you if you could invest, you know, like a stack

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>in one of them, who would it be.

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 2>That's an interesting question because I think the most talent

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 2>that I see is a kid called Ryan Ruffles who's

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 2>playing in the Latin America Tour at the moment. He's

0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of he turned pro very young, about eighteen, even

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>seventeen maybe, and he's been fighting to get on the

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 2>web dot com and he kind of he just missed

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>getting off that Latin America Tour to get on the

0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.680
<v Speaker 2>web dot com last year because he didn't probably play

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:43.680
<v Speaker 2>enough events. But purely watching him play in the talent level,

0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 2>it's very very sound. I mean, he hits the ball,

0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 2>smashes it as far as Rory does, and put's great

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 2>and hits it well and his swing is perfect, and

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:52.879
<v Speaker 2>to me it only seems like a matter of time.

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 2>But golf is a strange game, right, and if you

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 2>spend too long kind of struggling and battling down on

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 2>those smaller tours, that he can create a bit of

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>scar tissue when they're in the head and it can

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:07.680
<v Speaker 2>take some time. But he looks the one on paper

0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and when you play with him that he has all

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 2>the tools. But the Australian kid who won the US Amuter,

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Curtis Luck, he plays a different game. It's a really

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 2>interesting game. Shapes the ball a lot. He plays a

0:37:19.520 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 2>little bit like Bubba, I mean, a different golf and

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 2>a bob. He doesn't hit it as far, but he

0:37:23.960 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 2>loves it in big draws and big fade, low ones

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 2>in the back pins and high ones in the front pins.

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:34.960
<v Speaker 2>He plays a really cool golf and he plays golf

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>like someone who's a lot older than him. He plays

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.279
<v Speaker 2>very sensible golf. And he's been doing quite well and

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 2>he's on the web this year, and I think it

0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:44.839
<v Speaker 2>won't take him too long, and I think he'll do

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 2>really really well. I think, And there's a few others,

0:37:48.680 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 2>but they're the two i'd pick out off the time.

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Ruffles looks on paper like, if he gets

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 2>a all worked out, he's going to be he could

0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:58.360
<v Speaker 2>be a world better. And Curtis Luck, he's one of

0:37:58.400 --> 0:37:59.839
<v Speaker 2>those guys. He looks like he could be on tour

0:37:59.880 --> 0:38:03.000
<v Speaker 2>for a really long time. Smart guy plays, as I said,

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>a really cool version of the game, and he's a

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 2>cool character. He does it his own way, which I

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>think is which is to be admired. I think in

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 2>this current world of you've got to do it this way,

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 2>You've got to do it this way. He says, no, no, no, no,

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do it Curtis Lock's way, and this is

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 2>going to be fine. But they're the two old pick

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and they do different style of players, and

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't want to I wouldn't bet on either one.

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I'd put them each way, bet on both of them.

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>There's two good picks. A yeah, Curtis Is he was

0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the first ever player to qualify two ways as an

0:38:34.640 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 1>amateur for the Masters.

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:39.760
<v Speaker 2>So that's pretty neat. Yeah, how about that? That's incredible

0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 2>in it? I mean two. I mean it's hard enough

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 2>for a professional we get thirty chances of year to

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 2>get into that tournament. He get two chances and he

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 2>got them both incredible.

0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's that's I don't know if that'll ever You

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:53.720
<v Speaker 1>talk about things that may never ever be done again,

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and that's definitely one of them. So you've been quoted

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 1>as a big fan of the LPGA and women's golf

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:04.719
<v Speaker 1>because of the creativity kind of what you were talking

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:08.879
<v Speaker 1>about with Curtis, the mechanics, their swings. If you were

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 1>running the PGA Tour, how would you try and make

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the PGA Tour product a little bit more appealing?

0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, the first thing I would do is I would slowly,

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I would hire people who understood what great golf courses were,

0:39:32.719 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 2>and I would try my utmost to get PGA two

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 2>events to architecturally interesting golf courses. They don't have to

0:39:41.680 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 2>be significant and like way up on the rankings, but

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>interesting because interesting golf courses produce great winners, and they

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:52.240
<v Speaker 2>produce great winners who play. It's more interesting to watch

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 2>someone play golf courses that have great strategic interests like Riviera.

0:39:58.040 --> 0:39:59.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, is there a better hold to watch professional

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:02.480
<v Speaker 2>golf play than tenet riv It's just fascinating. You can

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 2>watch it all day and thirteen at the Masters, I mean,

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 2>or you go to s Andrews. It doesn't translate on

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 2>TV as well. But if you go to s Andrew's

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:13.960
<v Speaker 2>and you watch a few of those hold it and

0:40:14.000 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 2>you'll watch one hundred prose come through, and they'll hit

0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 2>it in a hundred different places because they all have

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 2>a little different theory or a little different feel about

0:40:20.360 --> 0:40:22.360
<v Speaker 2>how to play the whole. To me, that's more interesting,

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:24.759
<v Speaker 2>and you'll get a better type of winner. Not that

0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>the type of winners we have it bad, but you'll

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:31.640
<v Speaker 2>you'll see golfers will get better because they have to

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:33.440
<v Speaker 2>be better, and they have to have more variety and

0:40:33.480 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 2>more thoughts. So I would go to more interesting golf courses.

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 2>They'll be the first thing I would do. Outside of that,

0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:46.320
<v Speaker 2>I think some different formats would be interesting. I think

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:49.120
<v Speaker 2>seventy two holf stroke players got just a little bit

0:40:49.239 --> 0:40:51.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of it's just a little bit too much of it.

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we have so much of it that the

0:40:58.000 --> 0:40:59.640
<v Speaker 2>format might be getting a little bit older. I like

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>the s I like the stable for the kind of

0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:05.839
<v Speaker 2>format that kind of encourages aggression a little bit more.

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:07.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, two points for Bertie only minus one for

0:41:07.880 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>a bogie. That that format I think is pretty interesting.

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 2>But I would get to know somehow. You've got to

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 2>get to know the players. You know that you know

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>the NFL sounds of the game, yeah, where it's like

0:41:20.760 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 2>it's the best my favorite part of the NFL. I mean,

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I love watching football, but the when you have that

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 2>little show on the NFL network or whatever during the

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:30.839
<v Speaker 2>week and they have all the talk of the quarterbacks

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.279
<v Speaker 2>of their players, or the defensive leader on the side

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:35.319
<v Speaker 2>of the field yelling at his players, selling them the fire,

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and the little smart ass comments they make back and

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 2>forth like kind of I'm going to get you this time,

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get you this time, or you're not

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:44.400
<v Speaker 2>going to catch me, all that stuff, and it just

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:46.520
<v Speaker 2>makes football more interesting because you just you're on the

0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 2>field for a minute. I would love to see responsible

0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:55.759
<v Speaker 2>marking of players and caddies. And I say responsible in

0:41:55.840 --> 0:42:01.120
<v Speaker 2>that I don't think we should be catching the social

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 2>conversations of players at all. I don't think that's right

0:42:04.400 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 2>at all. It's just part of the nice nice thing

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>about playing golf is having little chats that no one

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:13.879
<v Speaker 2>else can hear, right, That's part of the fun. But

0:42:13.920 --> 0:42:17.160
<v Speaker 2>the golf specific talk, I think people would lap that up.

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it would just be amazing. I mean it's

0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:21.040
<v Speaker 2>a very hard thing, as I said, to do, because

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 2>everyone's got a record button and there's some guy in

0:42:23.160 --> 0:42:24.879
<v Speaker 2>the truck who's going to have a tape of two

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>guys talking about something that would be interesting to people

0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 2>if it came out public. But the golf talk, I

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 2>mean people want to hear that. I mean, what is

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Ricky saying that like scof like in those last couple

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:37.359
<v Speaker 2>of holes. What's he saying, I'm going to go at

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 2>that pin on seventeen at Sawgrass? Or is he telling

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 2>SCoV that he's going to hit at thirty feet left

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:43.239
<v Speaker 2>but he's actually aiming at the pin. That stuff is

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 2>that is interesting, And I think whenever you get inside,

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>if you can feel inside the game a little bit more,

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 2>it becomes you know the players a little bit better

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and you relate to them, and there'd be more people

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 2>would have more kind of heroes and a few more

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>favorite players, you know, because they'd really liked the way

0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:05.919
<v Speaker 2>a guy kind of went about it and chatted about

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:08.319
<v Speaker 2>it and talk to his caddy, and caddies would be

0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:11.200
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more famous even because they'd begin everyone

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:14.720
<v Speaker 2>would see their level of involvement. I know the tour

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:16.760
<v Speaker 2>really kind of wants to do it, but it's really,

0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>as I said, loistic. It's a difficult thing in this

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:21.640
<v Speaker 2>day and age when everyone's got to you could post

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 2>it to the whole world and inappropriate come in here

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 2>or there. It would be it'd be around the world

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>in thirty seconds. And that's a scary. That's a scary prospect,

0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:30.440
<v Speaker 2>but I think it would make the product better.

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>It'd be cool too. I mean, you could do it

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 1>as like a midweek show from the week before, and

0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:39.320
<v Speaker 1>it would only be more fascinating if you played more interesting,

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:42.319
<v Speaker 1>stimulating golf courses, because then all of a sudden you'd have,

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, more conversations about what are we going to

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:45.439
<v Speaker 1>do here?

0:43:46.800 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the moments like the conversation that guys

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.400
<v Speaker 2>have on the top of the hill and fisteen that

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the masters. I mean, we see the bombers these days

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 2>hitting adines and stuff end on Sunday and it's but

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 2>generally the whole field like you're standing there and like

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a shot that you you know you have to

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.319
<v Speaker 2>go for the green, but you really don't want to,

0:44:05.719 --> 0:44:08.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, which is why it's such an interesting shot,

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 2>and you'll get caddies trying to talk players out of

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 2>staff from players trying to talk to caddy into saying no,

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.800
<v Speaker 2>this is a good idea, and you get there's a

0:44:16.840 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 2>little minute of real tension, you know, real kind of

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:23.439
<v Speaker 2>real stuff, you know, and like you say, it could

0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 2>be the next week, just like the sounds of the

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.839
<v Speaker 2>game in the NFL show, like midweek, this is kind

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:29.600
<v Speaker 2>of what happened last weekend, like this is what we

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>thought was cool. Like that would be really fascinating, I think,

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 2>and as you said on the tenth at Riviera, like

0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 2>the conversations you have would be fantastic. You know, I'm

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 2>hitting driving, No, you're not. The three on We decided

0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 2>that on Tuesday. Now I'm going to hit a driver. No,

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:48.359
<v Speaker 2>we decided three on out the left was the point.

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:50.560
<v Speaker 2>And you get those things. I mean that that's what

0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.040
<v Speaker 2>we're privy to that you know, if we know that,

0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>so they're not interesting to the players inside the road,

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 2>but we're the only people who've ever heard that stuff.

0:44:57.160 --> 0:44:59.879
<v Speaker 2>No one else has. And I think that that would

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot of appeal and the fans and the public

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 2>and the viewers would just get a little bit more

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 2>of a window into the job and what it involves

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.440
<v Speaker 2>and the personalities and everything going forward to be and

0:45:12.480 --> 0:45:15.879
<v Speaker 2>the white I think about golf. I think it'd be great. Yeah.

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:18.399
<v Speaker 1>I think that's like the thing that a lot of

0:45:18.440 --> 0:45:22.200
<v Speaker 1>like the common golf fan doesn't. It's so hard for

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 1>a fifteen handicap to wrap their head around the game

0:45:25.920 --> 0:45:28.520
<v Speaker 1>that you guys play because it's it's way different than

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.520
<v Speaker 1>the you know, weekend Warriors game at the local muni.

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 1>And I think getting an inside look, and I mean,

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I think it's so funny. You bring up, like, you know,

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:39.799
<v Speaker 1>you have a game plan and you say, I'm not

0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 1>going to do this all week and then like almost

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.520
<v Speaker 1>all the time you end up having to do. You

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:46.239
<v Speaker 1>you pull driver on a hole. You say you're never

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 1>going to pull driver on but like why was that?

0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:50.920
<v Speaker 1>And like just getting the inside look to that stuff

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 1>would create a better and more engaged and more you know,

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 1>passionate golf fan.

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.720
<v Speaker 2>I think, I mean, I think it's it's sama no brainer.

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.239
<v Speaker 2>But as I said, there's clearly a big issue with

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:09.680
<v Speaker 2>them catching stuff that shouldn't be public consumption, you know,

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:11.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, most stuff that guys talk about, it's perfectly

0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:13.840
<v Speaker 2>a name. It's like what the weekend worried thought. And

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>they're talking about the girlfriend or their wife, or the football,

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 2>the Cowboys last weekend or whatever it is, and it's

0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 2>all pretty a name. But every now and then they

0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 2>might have something that's not appropriate. I think the players

0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 2>kick back against it would be that, like they just

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 2>don't want to get in trouble and they don't want

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:29.840
<v Speaker 2>to feel like they have to be a mute because

0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 2>everybody's recording every word they say. But if you could

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.200
<v Speaker 2>pull it off and make it work, it would be

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 2>it'd be fascinating. I think people would, and I think

0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 2>it would be on one level, an instructional. It'd be

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:46.359
<v Speaker 2>instructional for people too, because you would just you would

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.759
<v Speaker 2>learn so much about how different guys view the game,

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 2>and you would learn how Phil I mean, Phil's conversations

0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:56.560
<v Speaker 2>with Bones historically are just amazing. I mean they're brilliant.

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean you couldn't make them up. The best fiction

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 2>writer ever couldn't make those compass up. And like, it

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 2>would be great if people got to hear some of

0:47:02.960 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 2>those a little bit more than just when the guy

0:47:04.600 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 2>comes over with the ferry microphone, Like if you actually

0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>heard the whole thing from start to finish, and it

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:12.360
<v Speaker 2>would have relativity to what they were talking about on

0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 2>the tea when they were going into the second shot,

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:17.600
<v Speaker 2>So it was just really really interesting stuff and how

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 2>he would go about it versus Tiger and Stevie back

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<v Speaker 2>in the day, or like Ricky and Joe. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's viewing golf a slightly different way. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the way we kind of talk, especially under the under

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<v Speaker 2>pressure and under the real situation, you really exposed kind

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<v Speaker 2>of people's weaknesses and strengths. And I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be just it'd be it'd be like a level of

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<v Speaker 2>access that no one's ever had. I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be fascinating. I could only imagine some of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've been listening to the Right Egg podcast, we

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<v Speaker 2>do the digging for you.