1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: So we're in the studio today and we thought it 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: would be fun to call some of the people back 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: who have called us and left us great voicemails. And 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: I've got somebody here with me, a very special guest. 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: His name is Sweet Kevin. Yo. Sweet Kevin is Kevin Shephard, 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: our associate producer. He's the guy who responds to your 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: tweets or Instagram messages. He's also in charge of the 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: voicemails you leave us we call bananas. The first message 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: he's pulled is one you heard in the last Bonus 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: episode from someone we've come to call parking lot. Okay, 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: what the fuck? This is such a good podcast that 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: I had to stop driving. I'm on episode six. It's 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: in a grocery store parking lot, like just sitting here 14 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: listening because I'm so enthralled. This is the best podcast. Dope. 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: Let's call her. Hello. Hey, this is Io from the 16 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: Ballot of Billy Balls. Okay, wait a minute, I was listen. 17 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: This is some crazy Okay, what's up? Parking lot? Where 18 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: is this? Uh? The grocery store parking lot that I 19 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: now imagine you to like pay rent in. I am 20 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: in a public's grocery store, parking lot. Um what town 21 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: with city with state? Country? Oh oh oh like outer space. No, 22 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: it might as well be to you Boone, North Carolina, 23 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: where Appalachian State University is. Wow, I'm from the city. 24 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I left home when I was 25 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: like fifteen and a half and I worked to kitchens. 26 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: I come from four generations of bakers, you know. I 27 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 1: spent a lot of my youth being, you know, just 28 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: on the streets and like living that kind of life. 29 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: So that was like the biggest thing was your podcast 30 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: is I was like, as your mom, not to just 31 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: kind of bust in, but I just want to get 32 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 1: it out. As your mom was like discussing the streets 33 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: and she was saying the words, I was like, fuck yeah. 34 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: I was like, it is volumptuous, it is sticky, it 35 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: is sweaty. That's the beauty of it. Like everyone else 36 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,399 Speaker 1: is a voyor to what she's saying. But for those 37 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: of us that have lived in those moments, it's like 38 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: reminiscing today. I talked with some of you about the 39 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: connection you felt to the show, and later you'll hear 40 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: from some other characters you've gotten to know well from Crimetown. 41 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: I'm Io's till it right, and this is another special 42 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: bonus episode of the Ballot of Billy ball Feel. Hey, Cheetah, 43 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: it's Io. How are you good? How are you doing? Yeah? 44 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm gonna throw it off. Sorry, watch the 45 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: South Park Ron. I do have one more question, though, 46 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: How do you think we should refer to you because 47 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: you're not our lawyer? Law outlaw, higher gun the law Linger. 48 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: Pretty much anything works great? Hello, Hello, Yes, Hey, this 49 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: is Io, Rebecca Wright's kid. Wow, I can't believe you're 50 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 1: called epilogue two. I'll call you back. Get my phone 51 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: voice ready. Let's see. We've got three new voicemails since 52 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: we started this. Oh wow, do you want to um? 53 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: What about that guy Dom? Dom? Yeah? I liked this 54 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: voicemail when it came out a lot. Yeah, that's sweet. 55 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: We actually featured that. It was featured in the credits 56 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: of chapter four. To be exact. Hey, this is Dom 57 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: from Los Angeles. I just wanted to say that this 58 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: podcast is making me feel all kinds of stuff, specifically 59 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: about my friend Gregory Capri, an amazing soul who got 60 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: taken too young. And I think of Billy and Gregory 61 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: are somewhere special beginning. Can we call him? Call him? 62 00:04:54,080 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: Yeah you do? Hey, Dom, this is uh I, the 63 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: host of the Ballad of Billy Balls. Oh what's up, Hey? 64 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: I heard that I got featured. That was freaking crazy. 65 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: Yeah you did. We really liked your voicemail. Thank you 66 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: for calling in and sharing that with us. I wanted 67 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: to call you back and talk to you a little 68 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: bit more about Gregory. Yeah, let's do it. I'm actually 69 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: walking with my mom too. Hi. Mom. I know that 70 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: we're both really connected to our mom. She's going through 71 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: crazy times right now too. She's like got like stage 72 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: four cancer and it's just kind of crazy, Like life 73 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: is wild. So I'm really sorry to hear that. Tell 74 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: her I said hello. And also, if you want to 75 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: hang out with her and don't want to talk to 76 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: us about this, you totally don't have to. Oh let's good. 77 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: We're just enjoying a walk together. So this is perfect timing. Well, 78 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,119 Speaker 1: who was Gregory to you? So? Greg was a friend. 79 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: We were both born like fairly close to one another 80 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: and small towns in Oregon, and so we have like 81 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: some kind of weird kinds of spirit. We used to 82 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,119 Speaker 1: have a bunch of uh, you know concerts and stuff 83 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: at our house in the basement, you know, stuff like that, 84 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: and he would just come through and supply the party. 85 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: You know. So he just had like a fire under him, 86 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: like he you know, he'd go up to Alaska and 87 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: fish and like do a super dangerous job to get 88 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: money and then would just do whatever else he wanted 89 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: for the rest of those months. Like he was just 90 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: a wild man. But you know, you hang out with 91 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: him and talked to him, and he was just like 92 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: a lover, you know, just kind of reminded me like 93 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: how Billy was. Just everyone talks about how charismatic he was, 94 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: about how talents he was. Like that was like Greg, 95 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: what ended up happening to him. He got busted on 96 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: Saint Patty's Day in his car with like twenty four 97 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 1: vials of ascid as something crazy. We just started to 98 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: drift because like he got arrested and I didn't know 99 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: what was going on with him, and then I knew 100 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: he got out, and I think that he just got 101 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: like super an academy and I think he was just 102 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: using one night with somebody and just indeed and it 103 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: was just like terrible, you know, like it was a 104 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: huge shock to all of us, even the people that 105 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: knew him, like thought that he was able to understand 106 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: his limits in that regard. But I mean he was 107 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: just shot out of the cannon. So that was Greg. 108 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: And I mean it really hit me though, because, like 109 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: even now, it's like my desire to get fucked up 110 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: and be crazy. He kind of died with Greg. You know. 111 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: I was just like, what's the point if Greg's not around? 112 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: You know, do you think there's an afterlife down and 113 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: you think that Greg and Billy are hanging out somewhere 114 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: ripping the world apart. I think they're both writing like 115 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: dragon like Game of Throne style somewhere, just like wrecking zombies, 116 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: playing guitar, like that dude strapped to that monster truck 117 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: in Mad Max, you know, just like craziest scene you've 118 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: ever seen. Who else is there with them? Shit, I'm 119 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: sure Jane's Choplin's there, maybe George Herbert Walker, but but 120 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: hopefully it's a good ratio party. There's not too many dudes, 121 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: you know. Well, thank you, Tom, I really appreciate it. Yeah, Hey, 122 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: say hi to my mom. Her name is Leslie Chris Chris. Hi, 123 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: Leslie Chris. He's also a wild woman, and she had 124 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: some wild time to recommend day. Best wishes to Leslie 125 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: Chris for good healing and health. Thank you, all right, 126 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you so now by unbelievable. Well that 127 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: was beautiful. Thanks again, Dom. What's next week? Kevin? H 128 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: Let me go to this one right here. Your podcast 129 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: has gotten me thinking about the disappearance of my mom, 130 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: who disappeared in twenty sixteen. M it's a really strange thing. Um. Yeah, 131 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: I trying to figure out how to Yeah, I don't know, huh, 132 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: just not sure how to talk about all right. So 133 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: my name is Brian Safer. Thank you. I was out 134 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: to lunch when that call came in, and I kind 135 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: of just listened to them as they come and I 136 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: stopped and cried for a couple of minutes, just like 137 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: the you can't even get the kid. Hello, Hey, Brian, 138 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: this is Io from the Ballad of Billy Balls. Yes, 139 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: how are you? I'm doing okay? Is it okay that 140 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: I'm calling you back? Yes, it's okay that you're calling 141 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: you back. I thought I had my ship together, and 142 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: just saying that on that voicemail was really hard. I'm sorry. 143 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: It was just really a lot harder than I thought. Yeah, 144 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: I mean it makes perfect sense to all of us. Yeah, well, 145 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: do you want to tell tell me what happened. Well, 146 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: my family all went up to Lake Alpine a camping trip, 147 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: and my mom wanted to go for a walk down 148 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: to the lake. So my dad walked with her about 149 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: halfway down and then you know, walked back to the 150 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: campsite and then never heard from her again. They did 151 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: a sonar to the lake. All they found was some 152 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: logs and whatnot. They didn't find a scrap of clothing 153 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: or object that belonged to her, and they scanned the 154 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: whole area. Yeah, like miles and miles. How long did 155 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: the search gone. It went on for about two weeks. 156 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: They expended as much resources as they could, and they 157 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: got to the point where they couldn't expend any more resources. 158 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: At the time, at least, it was a large search 159 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: and rescue in California state history. Wow. Really, they found 160 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. She just disappeared, She vanished. Do you mind 161 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: if I ask did your mom have any history of 162 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: any kind of mental illness or anything going on? Well, 163 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: she was hiding a lot of things. What we had 164 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: figured out is she had been hiding a lot of 165 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: beginning stages of either dementia or what has it done 166 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: Alzheimer's Alzheimer's. Yeah, she didn't want to admit that stuff. 167 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: You don't want to admit that you're getting older, you know, 168 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of hard. So do you have a theory, Brian, 169 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: of what happened? I think that probably her whatever she 170 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: was going through, whether it be dementia or whatever, you know, 171 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: was way worse. Yeah, and she was in a place 172 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: that she didn't really recognize. So my faught is someone 173 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: offered to give her a ride. Yeah, and she got 174 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: confused and she may have gotten a car with someone 175 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: that had not necessarily good intentions. Yeah. What was her name, 176 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: Rosalind Saxon Mayer, Rosalind Saxon Meyer. Yeah. How have you 177 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: made peace with this, Brian? Or have you? I went 178 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: through therapy for like for over two years. Before that, 179 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: I had two friends get basically murdered. I was being 180 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: evicted from my home. I had a cancer scare that 181 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: turned out to not be cancered, thankfully, And then I 182 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: had this and I went in to go see my 183 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: doctor and I was telling her. She asked me how 184 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: I was doing, and I told her everything is She went, 185 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: do you get a therapist? Like, yeah, that could be 186 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: a good thing, I think. So. You listen to some 187 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: people tell their stories about their parents dying, and they're 188 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: preparing for their parent to die. I didn't get to 189 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: prepare for my parent to die. My parents vanished. I've 190 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: always wondered how to really properly tell the story. It was. 191 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: It's hard to speak it into that voicemail. It was 192 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: very hard to find those words at that point in time. 193 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: And I thank you for listening. If I could say 194 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: anything to you after hearing your story and speaking to 195 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: you a little bit, is like if me opening up 196 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: impacted you, remember that as you go through the world 197 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: and the power of you opening up, because that will 198 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: open things up for other people too, And your story 199 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: is really powerful and we'll be helpful to someone else. 200 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: So keep finding your words. Man. Thank you all right, Brian, 201 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: thank you so much for talking to us and sharing 202 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: your story. Have a beautiful day, you too, have a 203 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: wonderful day. Bye bye. Coming up, we check in with 204 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: some old friends. That's after the break. Hello, Hi, this 205 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: is Austin. It's Austin, Austin the Ballad of Billy Balls Austin. 206 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: This is someone we called Natasha in the show. Oh hey, 207 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: how are you doing? Hi? You met her in chapter four. 208 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: I'm just curious how you're feeling after listening to the season. 209 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: I think you guys did in the marvelous job. I 210 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: loved every second of an except it still an emotionally 211 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: training and a very upsetting story, and I feel very 212 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: sorry for Rebecca. Did it change what you think happened 213 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: to Billy or why you think he was shot? Well, 214 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: you know, after listening to Ron, that really was the 215 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: turning point for me, because I actually do believe Ron 216 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 1: was very serious and genuine Ron the undercover cop. I 217 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: really don't think he was lying, So I think all 218 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: that's true. And he was a drug dealer and he 219 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: definitely dealt in heroin because he knew where to get it. 220 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: And the trigger happy stuff that happens with a lot 221 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: of testosterone with guns involved in fear, and you know, 222 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: it's really too bad, and I really do think Ron 223 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: is remorseful that I actually shot and fell them. How 224 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: did you feel about being involved in this? I wanted 225 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: to make a contribution. I love the show. I think 226 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: you did a fabulous job. I think it should make 227 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: a good movie. I hope you put me in it 228 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: to it. I will reveal who I really am in 229 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: that case and the music that came out of that place. 230 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: I wish you would use a little piece of my 231 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: music from that time. Okay, all right, I'll throw it 232 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: consider that. I'll throw in a piece of music right here. 233 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: You're just a bad boy. What can you give me? 234 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: You're just a bad boy. The lean and lanky. You're 235 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: just a bad boy. You're just a bad bad boy. 236 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: Didn't get you? Well? Good luck with everything, and thank 237 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: you for talking with me. Yeah, and I hope you 238 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: stay in touch. Yeah, yeah, definitely. You can tell me 239 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: who might want into my podcast. Um, so are you 240 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: gonna do a movie? You think you're gonna going? Hello? 241 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: Hiy Cheetah, Yeah, Hey, hey Cheetah. This is Austin. This 242 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: is Cheetah, Chrome Billy's close friend and fellow musician. Have 243 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: you had a chance to listen to the show. I 244 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: listen a part of it. I didn't get a chance 245 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: to listen to all. I don't know. Do you want 246 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: to know what we found? Yeah? No, I was Elvin? 247 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: Would your fine? Okay? So we um found the police 248 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: report and the police report said it had the story 249 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: from the undercover cop. Austin tells Cheetah about the police 250 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: report and that we talked with the undercover cop. He 251 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: said that Billy pulled a gun on him while he 252 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: was trying to buy heroin from him and cocked it 253 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: and that's why he shot Billy. I don't find Billy 254 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: would have never pulled a fucking gun. That's my first 255 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: reaction to that. Billy was a musician. Yeah, he was 256 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: some street criminal. Yeah, you know, yeah, our cops little shit. 257 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: No Billy. I don't buy it once. Second, when Billie 258 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: never sold heroin to any of us, these old pills 259 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: to you know, volumes and fucking second halls and shit 260 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: like that. Speed, I don't buy that. I don't buy 261 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: it at all. Unless he was into something deeper than 262 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: I know about. Yeah, and there is that chance. Well, 263 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry to tell you the story. I 264 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: know it sounds it's probably upsetting. Man. I'm up saying, shit, 265 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: he was a good friend. Yeah. How many people do 266 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: you find at midnight a roller skates and snow show, 267 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: little snug in a blue jumpsuit, in a blue jumpsuit. Yes, 268 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: Tima's roller skate. Did he roller skate everywhere? We've heard 269 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: a couple of times, yes, any body else roller escape? No? 270 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: And he wrote great songs. You maybe just to win. 271 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: There's just much too much for you. I was awesome guy, 272 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: and I mean what happened just fuck? Yeah, I'm sorry. God, 273 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: that's okay, man, because it is closure one. I mean, 274 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: getting the fucking cop on the phones boss, far as 275 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: you can get it. Yeah, that's how we feel. Well, 276 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: thanks for talking with me. Yeah, yeah, thanks all right, 277 00:21:48,119 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: well thanks, thank hello Boston, it's ub How are you man? 278 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: And of course we had to talk with the law 279 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: slinger ron Kuby. Did you listen to the final episode? Yes, 280 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: of course I did, deeply sad, deeply moving, realizing that 281 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: in the guise of a true crime story, it was 282 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: really very much a love story between mom and her son. Yeah, 283 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: and you know, it illustrated something that we don't need 284 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 1: much illustration of these days, which is the power of 285 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: false narrative to affect people's lives and behaviors, and their 286 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: persistent refusal and unwillingness to examine actual facts that could 287 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: contradict that narrative or add a way of nuance to 288 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: that narrative, and you know, it made me feel really 289 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: bad for Rebecca, who kind of is now and has 290 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: kind of always been a child who needed taken care of. 291 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: And I think different people played that role in her life. 292 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: I think Io ended up playing that role. And to 293 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: be self referential to it, you know what what you 294 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: guys called it was just like, Okay, you want to 295 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: do an interview or you want to ask me some 296 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: questions about this aspect of policing or whatever. Fine, Fine, 297 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: And then you know the level of depth and discussion 298 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: and your charm and Io's charm and everything. The two 299 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: of you were really serious about this project and we're 300 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: really seriously trying to get the documents that would tell 301 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: a version of the story that it had not been told. 302 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: And you went about it in all the role long 303 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: way now you did. I mean, it's not your fault, 304 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: your your life people, your lawyers. Yeah, and you talk 305 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: to it all the wrong people who gave you all 306 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: the wrong answers. And this was k of those things 307 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: like I know, if I spend two hours on this, 308 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: I can do this. And it made a real difference 309 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: in how the story got told and what the story 310 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: really was and I'm just I'm very happy I did that. 311 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: Is there any advice for somebody who is wanting to 312 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: do a kind of foil request like we did if 313 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: they don't have a lawyer involved? The answer is find 314 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: a lawyer, don't call me or you know what, I've 315 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: got an idea. They should like email or call you 316 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: and you just spend a mc comfy to watch set. Okay, 317 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: that's true. Maybe we can put this make public what 318 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: you put in for us. Sure, we're going to do 319 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: just that. We'll put Ron's full foil request on our 320 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: social media pages. That's so nice of you. We can't 321 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: thank you enough. Sure you can't. Trying to figure out 322 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: a way to thank me or not? Yeah, okay, thanks Ryan. 323 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 1: I just realized I should also. I have it on 324 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: Do not Disturb and go straight to voice. Man. I'm 325 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 1: back in the studio with sweet Kevin. This is a 326 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,919 Speaker 1: funny one. It's funny, but then it gets real. Oh, 327 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: we've got one last person to call back. You got 328 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: k Balls here, a ka Ralph Tillman, a K cooking Kimball. 329 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: I've been in a rock and roll business currently drive 330 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: a rock and roll bus in Your podcast has filled 331 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: many many miles of joy. I've laughed, I've cried, question 332 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: my owd fucking reality. Keep up the good work party home. 333 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: That message was awesome, but then we got another message 334 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: once again, K Balls, And I believe this podcast made 335 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: me gonna change my life. When I get home, I'm 336 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: gonna quit rock and roll business and spend some time 337 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: with my daughter before she is grown up at jug forever. 338 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 1: Holy shit, call K balls right now, we're calling K balls. Hey, Hey, 339 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: is this K Balls? It is K Balls, K Balls. 340 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: This is I am. I'm the host of the Ballot 341 00:26:52,640 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: of Billy Bass. Wow. How are you. I have thoroughly 342 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: enjoyed your program, Thanks man, thank you. Where are you? 343 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm in Spartanburg, South Carolina. Cool I drive to the 344 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: Marshall Checker Band and you want the guys called me 345 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: kay Ball. I like cooking Kimball too. That's another one 346 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: of your nicknames, Cooking Kimball. Ralph Tillman, I got a 347 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: whole buck you eliot said you never use your real 348 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: name out on the road, So Ralph Tillman's not your 349 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: real name either. No Kimball, Hi, Kimball. It's a pleasure 350 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: to make your acquaintance. We all really loved your voicemail. 351 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: When I'm just sitting there listening to shit a baby 352 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: and it was me, I said, just that get good. 353 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: But hey, I have a question for you. Go for it. 354 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,399 Speaker 1: Your second voicemail, you said, I'm gonna go home and 355 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 1: quit the rock and roll business and spend some time 356 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: with my daughter. What's that all about. Well, I've been 357 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: on the road all these years. When you're gone two 358 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: hundred days a year, you're gone, and you know, you know, 359 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: you missed some things. So like the first formative years 360 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: seven years of her life, I was there, and then 361 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: her mother and I just split up, and then I've 362 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: just been on the road ever since. My daughter's a senior, 363 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: and so I said fuck it and came straight home 364 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: and I'm at home. No shit, no shit. I'm not 365 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: going to presume that that's because you listen to our podcast. 366 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: Well you sort of, because you know, as a driver, 367 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: you know I'm up all night, you know, self medicated, 368 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: you know how it goes and all that shit. So 369 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: I just got really emotional listening to y'all thing. That's it. 370 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: Damn you found Amanda. And when you found Amanda, you 371 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: know you just think it just look at the life 372 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: that she had to live. You know, it's crazy, and 373 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: you know life's too fucking short to just let it 374 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: just fly on by you, you know. Yeah, And I've 375 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: got a farm and all the things that you want 376 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: on a life except happiness, oh that little thing. But yeah, 377 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: I think it did influence me to just say fuck it, 378 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: and I did. That's amazing, Cables, what's your what's your 379 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: daughter like? She is a sack of hell. She's just 380 00:29:51,880 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: the best kid, She's honest. I don't know how that's possible. Well, 381 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with her? Now that you're home? 382 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just hang out with her. Um, take 383 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: my daughter to the beach for grad week, and we're 384 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: gonna do dinner tonight and hopefully you can get your 385 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: ash from here tomorrow. Help me with this garden. We 386 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,959 Speaker 1: got stuff to do. But you know how seventeen year 387 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: old girls are. Oh, you're in for it, man, Kimball. 388 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: It's been a real pleasure speaking to you. Thank you 389 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: for picking up and and thank you for calling us 390 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: in the first place. And I'm really proud of you. Man. 391 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: If I'm allowed to be, I'll tell you what. Keep 392 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: up the good work kids, all right, take care. If 393 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: you guys drink moonshine, I'll send you some great man 394 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: all right. Don appreciate the call. It means so much, Jimmy, Hello, 395 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: ky Balls here, I'm just laying in bed here. I've 396 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 1: been at the fucking beach with bunch of senior girls 397 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: that have graduated. Oh God gives on the un party anymore? 398 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: Kate Balls, k Balls, wherever you are. Party on Crimetown 399 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: is Zach Stewart Pontier and Mark Smirling. The Ballad of 400 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: Billy Balls is hosted by me Io till It Write 401 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: and made in partnership with Kaden's thirteen. You can find 402 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: me on the Internet and Io loves you on everything. 403 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: I love it when you say hello. And if you 404 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: want to know more about my story, you can pick 405 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: up my memoir Darling Days. It's inaudible too. If you'd 406 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: like to leave us your own voicemail, please do you 407 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: never know when we'll be done, give us a call 408 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: at five to seven zero three nine two nine six 409 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: six zero. This episode was produced by me, Kevin Shepard, 410 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: and Ryan Swikert. Our senior producer is Austin Mitchell, editing 411 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: by Zach Stewart Pontier and Mark Smerling. This episode was 412 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: mixed by Sam Baer, music by Kenny Quciak. Our title 413 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: track is Dark Allies by Light Asylum. Special thanks to 414 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: David Williams at Melrose Music and Palm Springs for all 415 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: your help this season. Thanks to Daniella Ariah Rachel, Lee Wright, 416 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: Emily Wiedemann, Green Card Pictures, Alessandro Santoro, Bill Clegg, Cassie Evashevsky, 417 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: Ben Davis, Orn Rosenbaum, and the team at Caden's thirteen, 418 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: And of course, as always, my Mom, without whom none 419 00:32:45,480 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: of this would be possible and fe