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Speaker 1: Okay, podcast starts now. Podcast starts now. Wow. Hello Stradio

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Speaker 1: Lab listeners, and welcome to the podcast you're listening to

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Speaker 1: known as Stradio Lab. George, UM, why don't you explain

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Speaker 1: what this podcast is all about? I would rather not,

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Speaker 1: but I do want to tell a story, which is

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Speaker 1: that hold on, I want to stop you right there,

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Speaker 1: this bitch. Co host George Severi's keep saying to me, Hey, Sam,

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Speaker 1: we need structure. Hey Sam, we need structure. And I

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Speaker 1: turned to him and I say, George, here's your chance.

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Speaker 1: Structure it up, babe. And you say no. And you

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Speaker 1: say no, I'm gonna tell a damn story. And I say, oh,

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Speaker 1: I gave you an option for structure and you denied me. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this like tone coming in like very behind the candelabra

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Speaker 1: kind of I don't know what this voice is, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we should have structure, meaning that it's very

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Speaker 1: it's a very show not tell type thing. There should

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Speaker 1: be enough structures that we don't have to stop at

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Speaker 1: every point and explain what we're doing. Well. I think

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Speaker 1: part of structure is sort of, um, you know, putting

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Speaker 1: like little headers like you said you wanted, sort of

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Speaker 1: a more canned intro, more canned outro, And I said, well, sure,

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Speaker 1: why not. I'm I'm um letting the listeners in on

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Speaker 1: the truth behind the podcast. Yeah, because we don't do

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Speaker 1: that enough. Yeah, We've always been accused of not talking

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Speaker 1: enough about the podcast as we make it. People say,

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Speaker 1: when are they going to pull back the curtain or

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Speaker 1: rather go behind the candelabra Um. So anyway, what's your story?

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Speaker 1: My story is that I told you this before, but

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Speaker 1: I wanted to say it on air because I think

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Speaker 1: it's so important that, you know, we speak out when

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Speaker 1: we experience uh, prejudice. And I am, of course talking

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Speaker 1: about the fact that my sister the other day texted

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Speaker 1: me that she listened to a recent episode of our

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Speaker 1: podcast and told me, quote not your best. Yeah. You know,

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Speaker 1: when it comes from inside the home, that is even

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Speaker 1: more hurtful. And this is why it's so important to

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Speaker 1: have a chosen family. Yeah. People who you know don't

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Speaker 1: give you criticism, people that love you no matter how

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Speaker 1: much your podcast dips. Uh. And I do want to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, oftentimes, um, gay people and queer people are

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Speaker 1: are pigeonholed into having only narratives that have to do

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Speaker 1: something that really a story that isn't told that much

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Speaker 1: is people who in fact don't face homophobia from their families,

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Speaker 1: but then suddenly, at the age of twenty nine, uh,

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Speaker 1: their gay podcast is not their best. I mean, George,

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Speaker 1: if you need a place to stay, like, I'm here

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Speaker 1: for you, and like I'm sure you know any of

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Speaker 1: our listeners would take you in. I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have to start of the process of I am,

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Speaker 1: at the age of twenty nine, emancipating myself from my

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't really need that kind

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Speaker 1: as far as I say I should stop podcasting altogether. Well,

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Speaker 1: they tell me why can't we go back to you know,

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Speaker 1: you say this is me. If you don't accept me

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Speaker 1: like the pandemic is happening because I'm not self actualizing.

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Speaker 1: runner for Young Sheldon, we should we introduce our guests.

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Speaker 1: I think we have to in cryab. This is someone

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Speaker 1: She's shells Antartica. She has been. She has been quarantining

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Speaker 1: an Antarctica this entire time. She actually many people say

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Speaker 1: And now that the demographic is out there, let's um wait,

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Speaker 1: Hi boys representations. And also I didn't want to be

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Speaker 1: in the me too era. And you were like, get

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Speaker 1: think if we like so original premise with this segment

421
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Speaker 1: was like it's to gauge your familiarity with straight culture,

422
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: which sort of was like our way to be like like, um,

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00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: I was always thinking even as like it's not scientific

424
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: in anyway, but like a roar check test for your

425
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: own sexuality, like like where we would pretend it meant

426
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: a lot what you picked, even what what is your

427
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: mind gravitate towards and I think and that's the joke.

428
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: It's like, it's not what straight is it's like you

429
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: hear these two things, what is the thing you immediately

430
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: are drawn to. Yeah, so I kind of like keeping

431
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: it um spacey like that. Okay, so we are not

432
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: so we're going back to the original. Well, we cannot

433
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: actually go back to the original with you, because now

434
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: you know what the debate is, so like still a

435
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: pretty loose corriculous Okay, well, shall we just go ahead? Yeah,

436
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: you start us off. Okay, Julia Goldfrap or the Goldfinch, Um,

437
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: the Goldfinch. Okay, Julia Dennis Vesneuve or the Ladies of

438
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: the View, Um, the Ladies of the View. Okay, Julia

439
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: MSG or MSNBC MSG. Having a green thumb or having

440
00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: a planter's ward, having a green um, Brioche or Juliette Binoche,

441
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: Juliette Binoche, Barnum and Bailey circus or Britney Spears Circus,

442
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: Britney Spears Circus, a few bad apples or red balloons

443
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: balloons Okay, weed whacking, mowing, tilling, or manscaping. Okay, I

444
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: need that one more time. That was a lot of

445
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: options for me. Weed whacking, mowing, tilling, or manscaping, killing.

446
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 1: And there we go. Now, Julia in the interest of

447
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: full transparency, we want to hear what your experience of

448
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: that was, like a chaotic aggressive Were there any of

449
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: that stumped you? Yeah, I don't really know what tilling is,

450
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: but I said it anyway. See that means we're really curious. Like,

451
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: that's what that means. So that's so awesome. That means

452
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: you're curious. That means you're being curious. That means you're

453
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: on your way to becoming an a feminine trade man. Well, okay,

454
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: to be honest, I feel like I answered those questions

455
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: based on what I think Harry Styles would have chosen. Wait,

456
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: he should be. I think I've been thinking about him

457
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: ever since we started that discussion. Yeah. Wait, I can't believe.

458
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: I can't believe that's not where our mind immediately went. Honestly,

459
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: Eddie Redmayin found dead. Eddie Redmayne is you know, ruggedly masculine.

460
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: He's like literally the brawny paper towel guy. Now like

461
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: Harry still start fast and curious. Wow, I mean, of course,

462
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: Olivia Wilde feminine straight man. Uh makes sense. That makes

463
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: so much sense. Um? Interesting, what do we sorry to

464
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: do this? Like, what's the end game with Harry styles

465
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: I've never understood and you understand, Julia, No, but no,

466
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 1: I don't. But I was I have been talking to

467
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: people and like, I think that he I think he's queer. Oh,

468
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking in a more career sense. I think

469
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: about with people given this news and and you know,

470
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people who are like,

471
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: I think that he's very I think he's queer baiting,

472
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: and I just think, like all you know, it's all

473
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: publicity and it's all to just make everyone go crazy

474
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: for him. But like, I don't know, I think that

475
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: just because he's I I feel like I think that

476
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: he is Um, I don't know. I think that he

477
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: might be going through like a real period of sort

478
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: of self discovery very publicly and like well curated because

479
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: he has those people around him. But like, I don't know,

480
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: I kind is like it wouldn't shock me if down

481
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: the line, um so that But I don't know, what

482
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: do you what do you guys saying? I think? No,

483
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 1: I I accepted. First of all, I do want to

484
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: address the fact that you said you have been thinking

485
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: about this because of this news. This news being that

486
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: he's maybe dating Olivia wild So I like the idea

487
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: that him dating Olivia Wild made you go, you know,

488
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: he might be queer, but I do. I mean, I agree,

489
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's as I

490
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: don't think it's that dishonest or queer. Baby, I do think. Um.

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00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: My two opinions on Harry Styles are one that regardless

492
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: of whether he's queer or not, he just is very sexual.

493
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: Like I think that's it just comes from a place

494
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: of just like wanting to express sexuality of any kind,

495
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 1: which in a way almost makes him non sexual. And

496
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: then the second opinion about him I have is that

497
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: I think he is a sponsor uh project from Gucci. Yeah,

498
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: there's something that's the deep state of fashion is definitely

499
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,959
Speaker 1: in his brain and his body somehow. Um, his music whatever,

500
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: it's fine. I don't it's as far as they say

501
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: it's boring. It's boring. I wish you were having a

502
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: little more fun with the music. Um, but I think

503
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm happy that he's having fun with the looks. And

504
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: I don't care. I know it's a team behind him,

505
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 1: but the team is having fun. When people are famous

506
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm just gonna wear a bootcut jean

507
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: and like a t I'm like, get out of my TV,

508
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: get out of my magazines. I want someone who's taking chances,

509
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: making a splash and giving him something to talk about,

510
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: giving us something to talk about. Yeah, you should go

511
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: to Antarctica. No, no, no, that's my territory. I don't

512
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: know that's where you draw the line. If I'm the

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00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: one to introduced if I introduced finger as gloves, what

514
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: the hell is he going to do? I can't that

515
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: it'll go. I don't. I don't want. Yeah, they're not

516
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: ready for a man in a Gucci dress and Antarctica.

517
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: They it took you years to introduce them to fingerless gloves,

518
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: and still many people are like asbian, you know, like exactly,

519
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 1: I do want to point out I do think it's

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00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: a little problematic. You're like gate keeping with Antarctica, you know,

521
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: like it's it's anyone can go there. I think the

522
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: fact that's your spot is like I'm spared. Yeah, it's you.

523
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Also before you were like oh yeah, I know, I'm

524
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: just a visitor. But it's like, well, if you're just

525
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: a visitor, why are you gatekeeping? Yeah, it's like it

526
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: wasn't yours to begin with. It Okay, how about this,

527
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: everyone can come, but you Sam? How about that? How

528
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: about That's actually what I'm writing into law right now

529
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: because because I call you out, so I'm not allowed

530
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: to go. So people that criticize you get banned from antarcticle. Wow.

531
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: I had no idea Sam was going full free speech warrior. Sam,

532
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: did you? Um? Were you at the capital yesterday? By chance?

533
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: And Sam stormed the Capitol because he was angry about

534
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: Julia introducing fingerless gloves Antarctica. Everyone else was holding pro

535
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: Trump signs and Sam sign was like very confused. It

536
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: was like, I think Harry Styles is actually fine, but

537
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 1: I also think fashion should be more interesting in Antarctica.

538
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: It was me and a Mrs Claus. He was like,

539
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: the truth is out there. Well interesting. I do, like

540
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: Juliet in your to the two things that you have,

541
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: the two ways you have punished us have been uh

542
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: distributed equally. You forbade me from being in the writer's

543
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: room of your TV show and you forbade Sam from

544
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: traveling to Antarctica. I um, I exercised my power by

545
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: taking away access. Okay, wow, that's really cool. Part of

546
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: that Before because I'm the only person who's ever done well? George,

547
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: I think maybe you should do that for your sister,

548
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, if she wants to critique the pod, you

549
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: should say, actually I coated it into Apple Podcasts that

550
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: you can't access this anymore. Yeah, you know, it's interesting

551
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: now that I'm looking back. I you know, sometimes when

552
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: someone kind of expresses toxic traits, you then look back

553
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, it was right in

554
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: front of me all along, and you know what this is?

555
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 1: Bring what memory? This is? Okay, Julie is literally off screen.

556
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: She just walked away away. She literally just walked away. Okay,

557
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 1: it's just back, Okay, do you know what memory and everything? Okay, Juliette.

558
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: I was literally starting to sit in the dark, which

559
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: I was like, is this okay? But then I was like,

560
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: you guys would have made a big, a whole thing

561
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: about it in fifteen minutes, so okay, and now we're

562
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: finally at the right pone for this podcast. I was

563
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: getting worried that, you know, when our guests aren't actively

564
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: mad at us, it worries me. It makes me think

565
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: we're not doing our jobs. I would have been actually

566
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: very insulted if you guys were just sweet as apple

567
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: pie to me. Yeah, no, no, no no, we're not

568
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: putting on our kiddy gloves, our kitty finger Lilliss gloves

569
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: for Antarctica's number one fashion influencer, just because she's the

570
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: gatekeeper in both fashion and entertainment entertainment, What was I

571
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: going to say? Oh, yeah, so I remembered past toxic

572
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: behavior that my sister, someone who's prejudice against certain episodes

573
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: of my podcast, has exhibited. One being Sam. You know

574
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: this is that she was one of the first people

575
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: she told me she when we released the podcast. She

576
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to leave a nice review, and

577
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: do you remember what she did? She took one star

578
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: off to make it seem like she wasn't being pandering.

579
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: She literally wrote a review that had all positive things

580
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: and one negative thing because she wanted it to sound

581
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: more realistic. And it was like, just make it five stars,

582
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: like you're already cheating the system just we just released

583
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: this podcast. Just give it five stars. Podcast currently has

584
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: two episodes out, and you're trying to knock us down

585
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: to pay too, like you're trying to be let's be

586
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: a realistic here. It's not that good. But of course

587
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: I didn't see the signs. I didn't see the signs.

588
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: And see, when she does that stuff to you, I say,

589
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: you know whatever, that's your family dynamic. But when she

590
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: brings me into it, then we're going to have a problem,

591
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: right right, Well, that's the thing. I mean, hurt people,

592
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: hurt people. I don't know. It's tough. It's tough. I mean,

593
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: it's tough to look back and realize this is someone

594
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: who is really at fault for every single bad thing

595
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: that has ever happened to me. Yeah, in the world

596
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: at sometimes that's right. She is younger than me. But no, yeah,

597
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: I stand by my my original statement. Um, should we

598
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: get into the topic? Yes, Oh my god, we are

599
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: structure a F today. Structure a F bays Um, okay,

600
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: structure a F the boots down house. Mama, Julia, what

601
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: is your topic for today? So, boys, I wanted to

602
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: talk a little about a little thing called hua who

603
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: Thank God, that's how I say it, and I want

604
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: to and I knew that. I knew you would know

605
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: the right way to say it because I've been practed before.

606
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: I mean, when you send it to me, I was like, oh,

607
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: Julia wants to do higgy. Also I don't want to

608
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: offend your Danish listeners. All of our listeners are Danish. Yeah,

609
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: Danish listeners. Um okay, Wait, how do you say it

610
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: for real? Huga? Huga? Okay? Got it? Julia? When did

611
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: you first become interested in Huga? Um? Okay? So? I

612
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: feel like Huga really hit the scene, um around two

613
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: thousand sixteen, two thousand seventeen in America? Right? Uga been

614
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: around what centuries in Scandinavia? Um? I think that like

615
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: what I'm interested in talking about it is like when

616
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: it came to the US, because that, to me is

617
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: a distinction. Take it just for anyone that doesn't know,

618
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: can you explain what it is? Yes? Okay? So and

619
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: both please jump in because I actually don't know that much.

620
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: But I think I would say it is the scanned

621
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: and the specifically Danish concept art and culture about around

622
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: the idea of coziness, the cozy lifestyle, the joy in

623
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: the little things. Sure, yes, I think of it as

624
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: as yeah, I think of it as coziness with like

625
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: a slight almost political, but there's also something about it

626
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: and maybe this is like maybe this is part of

627
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: the American selling of it, But it's all there's something

628
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: almost like self care is political about it, political like

629
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: self care is political. Like there's something almost like, actually,

630
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: the best thing you can do is wrap yourself in

631
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: a weighted blanket and have a glass and have a

632
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: cup of mint tea. And if you do that, no

633
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: one can get to you. Yes, you know, when you

634
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: when you said it came here in seventeen, I was like, well,

635
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: direct response to the Trump administration, of course I do.

636
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: I Now I'm like, is that I think? Is that

637
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: really when it came I would have guessed and maybe

638
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but I would have guessed slightly earlier. It

639
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: seems so tone deafer it to make its way here

640
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: right after Trump was elected. Well, I feel like it's like,

641
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Danish people don't just like own coziness,

642
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: you know, little tam um. But I think it is

643
00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: like that, the the like branding in Manu, factoring of

644
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: that specific kind of coziness that happened. Maybe it is

645
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: earlier than two thousand, you know what, Okay, I just

646
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: looked it up. Here's what's really interesting. It did come

647
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: to the States in sixteen, but pre election mm hmm.

648
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: So Houga in many ways was the last breath of

649
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: Obama America, the death of too close to the Sun.

650
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: Literally were so cozy and so warm that we flew

651
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: too close to the sun. And then Trump was elected. Yeah,

652
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: but two thousand sixteen was like it was already so

653
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: terrible because of Trump. All year owns two thousand sixteen.

654
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: But also two sixteen to me is like when Hamilton's

655
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: was like, there are so many things that were like

656
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: last breath of Obama era that happened in Yes, this

657
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: is true, huh huh. Okay. Also, I was reading because

658
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: I like suggested that idea, was like, that'll be fine,

659
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: and then I was like, wait, what is I actually

660
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: don't know anything about it. So I was reading um

661
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: a an article in The Independent, Okay, And basically it

662
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: also sort of had the same effect in Britain as

663
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: bregsit had happened. So it does sort of seem to

664
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 1: be like a very intense response to political turmoil. Interesting, yeah, huh.

665
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: So do we think that as a response of political turmoil,

666
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: getting more cozy is good? I think people create control

667
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: and that is the only way you can The only

668
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: thing you can control is how cozy you are. Plus

669
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: it's getting cozy, well, you know, it depends on what

670
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: what kind of candles or whatever you're getting, but it's

671
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: normally relatively affordable to get cozy. Sure, like she is like, oh,

672
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: that's affordable a blanket, you got those, right, It's just

673
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: about the it's more of a change of mind, right,

674
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: It's a change of mind. But at the same time,

675
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: if you are trying to achieve some heightened if you

676
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: are kind of injecting coziness and hugo with this kind

677
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: of weight, then suddenly you're like, this blanket is not

678
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: good enough, this candle is not good enough. And then

679
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: it leads to I mean, it's it's become americanized necessarily.

680
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: What has happening is then you are taking a gorgeous

681
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: national tradition of the Danish people and making it into

682
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 1: a consumer experience. Yes. And also I was reading about

683
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: how like kuga is so ingrained in Danish culture like

684
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: for decades centuries that it's like sort of invisible there.

685
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: It's like it's just part of like I create a

686
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: pleasant space where everyone is comfortable. This we all like

687
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 1: candle light, We all like we want everyone to have

688
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: like cozy slippers and have warm things to sit on

689
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: and like that's just you know, it's just ubiquitous. No

690
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: one thinks that it's ubiquitous. It's kind of like what

691
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: imperialism is in the United States. It's like what if

692
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's like what if suddenly people woke up

693
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: in you know, uh, Finland and they were like, oh

694
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: my god, have you heard of the American concept of

695
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: invading other countries? And then people were like, it would

696
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: not be as authentic. Yeah, they'd like make it relaxed

697
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: like they did other state and it would be like

698
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: kind of respectful, right exactly, Yeah, it would just not

699
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: be Um, America's racism, you know what I mean. They

700
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: we have racism, right, we have racism, imperialism, um, you

701
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,439
Speaker 1: know kind of a the absence of a social safety net,

702
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: and they have huga. Um. So wait, I now that

703
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: we've defined what huga is, what about who do you

704
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: feel is essentially straight? Okay? For so, I will say

705
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: I think that everyone in the whole freaking world deserves

706
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: to feel cozy and comfy and cute and safe. And

707
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: she's got her platform. I'll think it out. Yeah yeah, baby. Um,

708
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: but I think that there is like the fact that

709
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: I think it is sort of like a denial of

710
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: like complicated or uncomfortable things. It is sort of the

711
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: avoidance of anything that is like not good vibes. Is

712
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: sort of very straight in a way where it's like

713
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's and we don't talk

714
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff here. To me, it's like

715
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: kind of very a political, yes, self care political, but

716
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: also a political where it's like no, no, no no no,

717
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: like that makes me uncomfortable, and that that is not hicky.

718
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Who goes? Then you say higgy. If it's if it's negative,

719
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: you say higgy. Oh, I didn't know that. Linguistic. Yeah,

720
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: the Danish language is really beautiful. To be fair, I

721
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,280
Speaker 1: like the word higgy better than huga because huga sounds

722
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: like kuka, which has so many implications. Um it makes

723
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: me sorry. I just want to say, speaking of huga, Julia,

724
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: just drink out of the largest jar I have ever

725
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: seen in my life. It's I would be as big

726
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: as a bathtub. I didn't want you to bring it up.

727
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: I am drinking out of fine, I'm just going to

728
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: disclose it. I am drinking out of a neutral bullet jar.

729
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: It's bullet, yes, neutri bullet. Because I just don't drink

730
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: enough water. Otherwise I need to carry around like a

731
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: small bucket in order to we should do an episode

732
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: on hydration. Yeah, uh do you do you personally practice

733
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: Huga have been known to dabble in the hoog ho

734
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: is the name of your upcoming book memoir? I mean

735
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: I have macromay on my wall that I made. I do.

736
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: I do really like elements of Huga, And I think

737
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: like in its pure form of like create a cozy, comfortable,

738
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: pleasant experience for yourself and those around you where you

739
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: all feel safe and good. Is like you know, it's

740
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: like how can you not want to do that? But

741
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: I think that it's like there's something that is like

742
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: a little superficial about it in a way that um,

743
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: I think is kind of toxic hardball with Chris Matthews. You.

744
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: But part of me feels um counterpoint, like we have

745
00:46:53,280 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 1: like the cottage core culture, the like fairy queer being

746
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: uh fetishizing Taylor Slip's folklore, like like in America. I

747
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: think that like cottage core stuff is very queer right now.

748
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: But I would argue Huga is different than cottage core

749
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: and please tell me why to me cottage core there's

750
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: at least an air of kind of a relationship with

751
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 1: the land. Like Cottage Core is like maybe you have

752
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: a little chicken coop or maybe you, um, you know,

753
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: go for a hike, but Huga is literally like who go.

754
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: The way that it has been marketed is like really

755
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: thick socks. Oh okay that and and like and like

756
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: truly just being like under fifteen blankets on your couch. Okay.

757
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: I think that well. I think that George said, like

758
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: the cottage Cores you defined it, I think is actually

759
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: like the Danish version of Joga. It is about like

760
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: it's about sped ending time outside. It's about like building

761
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: bomb fires, It's about like you know, um like it

762
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: is it. I think it has to do more with nature.

763
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: But I think when it came here it is like

764
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: totally it's been So I do think like this episode

765
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: is about the American version of it, Like what you

766
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: think is great is the American version of Houga? Yes?

767
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: And also sorry, yes, I was just gonna say. I

768
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: think that, Like I don't know that much about Denmark,

769
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: but it's like they are a country that like we

770
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: are so different. It's Denmark is so different than the

771
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: US because it's like so tiny and like so white

772
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: and homogeneous, and like the government actually takes care of

773
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: their people, where it's sort of like I honestly think

774
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: the government probably has like a hooga department where they're like, okay,

775
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 1: does everyone have their candles for winter? You know, it's

776
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: like that. It's like that's so ingrained, where here it's

777
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: being cozy and comfy is like, honestly a privilege in

778
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 1: the exactly. Yeah, to take something that's like a national

779
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: tradition like that and then make it into a status

780
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: symbol somehow, like oh so and so you know, you

781
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 1: have the new blanket, you have the new pajamas. That's

782
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: a very American impulse. Yes, Having said that, I wonder

783
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: if maybe it's too late now, but in the time

784
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: when Hugo was at its peak, if there was a

785
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: way to rebrand Medicare for All is Hugo for All,

786
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: if it would have done better, Oh my god, I

787
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, Like maybe if we if we rebrand,

788
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: it's it's not defund the police, it's Hugo the police,

789
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: and we can make them more if if we focused

790
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: on kind of like making the police cozy, like bringing them,

791
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: walking them in their apartments and like giving them some

792
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: blankets and maybe a DVD of Nancy Myers The Holiday. Yes,

793
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: and instead we take away their guns and then we

794
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: just give them firm of admits and they just have

795
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: to like really constricting of admits. They can barely really

796
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: move their limbs. Yes, yes, um, and then we kind

797
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: of enclose them in a small space. Yeah, we as

798
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: Americans need to further, um, like put coziness on a pedestal.

799
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: If like we could convince like psychopath Republicans that this

800
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: is like the most American thing, then like we'd be chilling,

801
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: like they'd be like, don't take my blanket, like they

802
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: if we could, if we couldn't kind of inject the

803
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: hooga movement with the animosity and urgency of the pro

804
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: gun movement, yes, we could really see some change in

805
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: this country. Okay. But here's the thing though, I do

806
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: kind of feel like the American version of Hooga is

807
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: like sort of it is h G t V, which

808
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: is would have inherently like a little conservative because it

809
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: hearkens back to Americana and you know, the nuclear family

810
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: and like traditional values like that. That is the American

811
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: lens that it would put it under So I don't know.

812
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it is dangerous. I don't know. I don't know. No,

813
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: I think very interesting. Which is that? And and I

814
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: wanted to say this before. One of the reasons why

815
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: huga is straight is because it is a foreign concept

816
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: adapted for American audiences. And I do think necessarily what

817
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: happens then is things become straighter. So we didn't solve

818
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: this right right, Tell me how how do you guys

819
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: feel about Like, okay, doesn't have to be hug up,

820
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: but coziness as a concept. I'm I've never been a

821
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: cozy fan. I um, you know, the pandemic has forced

822
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: me to appreciate cozy. You know. I like being out

823
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: and about. I like having a bare bones, uh spa

824
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: ace and like saying I'm just gonna be bopping, bopping, bopping. Um.

825
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: But this pandemic, I've started to get a little cozy.

826
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: And um. I developed a new tradition where I'll eat, say,

827
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: half a wet gummy, I'll take all the cushions off

828
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: of the couch, put them on the floor, put my

829
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: comforter on top of the cushions, and sort of like

830
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: lounge in that um space. I call it um the

831
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: dog Bedam have you ever shared that on the pod?

832
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: I have not. This is sort of a new having

833
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: something that you call a dog bed isle. Yeah. I

834
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: get on all fours and I par park Park and

835
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: I was sexy, little spiked collar and I never felt more. Yeah,

836
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: you keep going like, oh, that sounds cozy, and then

837
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: I start I start ripping out curtains around my home

838
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: with my teeth. Um. No, normally I'll pour a little

839
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: a little drink and I'll sit and dog bed and

840
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: we'll sort of mesh. And I was just chat there.

841
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 1: It's a fun place to hang out, Honey of drinking,

842
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: I've too. I mean it's big, it's all the couch

843
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: cushions on the floor that Oh yeah, whoops, I was

844
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: earnest again, George, how about this is really? This is

845
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: something that we actually cut out of our previous episode

846
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: because it made me spiral. I have moved into a

847
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: new apartment. I've been here for literally three months now,

848
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: and I have felt a sense of paralysis about like

849
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 1: decorating it in any way. I mean you can literally

850
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: see my walls are empty, and I don't know what

851
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: to do. I truly feel I think part of it

852
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: is just that, like r if things were normal, I

853
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: would enjoy going to vintage stores, going to thrift stores,

854
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: finding cute things, and now I'm just like not doing that,

855
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 1: and I, um, and I really feel like I would

856
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: love it if someone just cozied it up. And then

857
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: I I kind of did a you know, someone with

858
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: actual taste, maybe queer eyed it, And then I walked

859
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: into my apartment I was like, oh my god, I

860
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: love it. And then I because I want I have

861
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: the desire for coziness, but I'm very bad at creating

862
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: it for myself. Mm hmm. You know, George, I think

863
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: the level of iconic it would genuinely be if you,

864
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: George Severi's got queer eyed for real on television. I

865
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: have to say it's tough because I really think it's

866
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: they would the design stuff would be an issue for me.

867
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 1: But if if we could just replace and this pains

868
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: me because I actually do like Bobby a lot. I

869
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: think he's actually I've weirdly in a circular way to

870
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: come around to having Bobby be my favorite. Um, However,

871
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: if I could, if I could just make sure he

872
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: gave me the kind of like heightened treatment and not

873
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: the treatment he gives the people that he has queer

874
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: eyed thus far, then I do think otherwise it would

875
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: be a really exciting um experience to be queer eyed

876
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: in this day and age. I think it would absolutely

877
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: change the game. I think you would. But heads, I

878
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: think it would sort of be a new tone for them,

879
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: the first ever person to be ironically queer eyed. So

880
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: in that way, it would be breaking ground. I mean,

881
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: that is the history that I want in our kids

882
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: history books. I think that it's important, But now I

883
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: want who Julia as a hooka expert. You're looking at me,

884
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm literally in an empty white room. Uh, absolutely desperate

885
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: for coziness. I mean I truly feel at see. What

886
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: is your advice to me for making my space more hooka? Okay?

887
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: Number one? Fill that baby up with some plants, yes, okay,

888
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: that's on my left. Plants. Get about plants, George. I

889
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 1: just I'm just so intrigued. I'm realizing as we speak,

890
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: I have no idea what your aesthetic is at all.

891
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: I've never been somewhere where you've lived, and uh, this

892
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: is actually insane to realize. And you haven't been anywhere

893
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: where I've lived, and you've now seen me in these

894
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: zooms where I literally am surrounded by white walls for

895
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: three months and you are literally matching your wall. I

896
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: also I'm wearing a white hoodie. Yeah, yeah, I know

897
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: it's really tough. Okay, I think we have to queer.

898
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: I am here's my thing with yes plants. Yeah. I

899
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: would also say lighting do you have do you like?

900
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: I think lighting is really important and like totally set.

901
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm like in the process. That's I literally have a

902
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: tab open because I want to buy a new floor

903
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 1: lamp and then a new desk lamp and by a

904
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: ton of candles. Do you like candles? I do like candles?

905
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: I do have you gotta get candles? I have candles.

906
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: I have d S and Durga. I have an a

907
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: PC candle that I just got for Christmas. I have

908
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Candle Studio. Okay, if only I can put that

909
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: effort into doing literally anything else in my life other

910
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: than buying candles. Okay, sorry, this is not interesting, is it?

911
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: We were trying? I mean it's honest. Yeah, it's honest.

912
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: And we can talk about this more later because I

913
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: do honestly like want to help if I can. Yeah,

914
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: you love, I want people to feel cozy and coffee

915
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: in their homes. Well, this is the thing. If if

916
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: things were normal, I would have had a house swarming

917
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: and literally been like, buy me home gifts. Also, George,

918
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: have you been like theirs? Stores are still? I know,

919
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: but I'm just like, you know what it is. I

920
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: understand that things are open, but the fact that you

921
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: even have to like be slightly stressed out about bumping

922
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: shoulders with someone or like breathing someone's air, just like

923
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: it makes the experience that's supposed to be relaxed bad. Well,

924
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: my tip is, bitch, guess what now you're unemployed, go

925
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday afternoon. And this is how I've been

926
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: really wanting to get like a manicure or a pedicure

927
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: because it seems so relaxing. But I'm like the guilt

928
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: of feeling like you're putting someone in danger, the like

929
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: feeling that you are that that you might be in danger,

930
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: like all of it is just like, well, why not

931
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: just stay at home in my bear apartment and stare

932
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: at a blank wall scratching the days? You know what

933
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: you are right though, that I should be going to

934
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: stores in the middle of the day on a weekday

935
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: on a weekday. Okay, I'm going to do that. Also, George,

936
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: you guys can tet this because this is not funny.

937
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: This is just helpful. But I do follow some Instagram

938
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: accounts that are like cool vintage drifted stuff that um

939
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: you can like order it directly through Instagram and they

940
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: probably do some deliveries as well. Correct out. Okay, so

941
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: my homework is to buy plants, go to thrift stores.

942
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: Is that it? And follow Instagram accounts all Instagram accounts,

943
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: and you know what, just get a mug. Just get

944
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: a mug. Make you go like this with your shoulders.

945
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: Your listeners can't hear me, but when you shim me

946
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: your shoulders up to your ears, that's houga. I have

947
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: been looking. I used to have. Yes, No, having one

948
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: like seventy dollar mug from a studio in Brooklyn is

949
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: one of the most politically radical things you can do.

950
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: I got a mug for Christmas that is just like

951
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,000
Speaker 1: from this store that we go to in Maine, and

952
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: it's just a it was like a joke gift kind

953
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: of which is branded from the store in Maine. And

954
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is incredible, this like it is my juga.

955
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: No having a nice mug is huge, Wow plants, thrift stores,

956
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: Instagram mug and there you go. That's who go for. Well, Sam,

957
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: what do you think, Um? I think structurally this was sound.

958
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: I think the people that are gonna inspect this next

959
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: week are um not going to see any loose wires

960
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: or yeah, well right, Julia, we didn't mention this, but

961
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: the structure inspector is coming next week, which is the

962
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: person who listens to re latest episode and if it

963
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: doesn't have enough structure, we are thrown out of the

964
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: Apple podcast feed. Okay, well I have some connects actually there,

965
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: so I'll well, it's tough because now we're in the

966
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 1: midst of the administration changing obviously. Do you know the

967
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: Trump podcast structure people or the Biden ones. I know,

968
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: well they were Trump, but they're actually switching sides, so

969
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: that and it's never too late. It's also it's such

970
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: I think it's such brave timing to be switching sides

971
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 1: right when the next person is gonna sent to power,

972
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 1: so so selfless. I've always said that, you know, the

973
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: people that are resigning now in the Trump administration, um

974
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: out of kind of a moral clarity. I think I've

975
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: never seen anything more brave, braver than the Marines, braver

976
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 1: than the Marines. Who are you know, averard bravery? I

977
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: would say, well, should we do our final secon Let's

978
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: do our final segment. Uh so, Julia. The segment is

979
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: called shoutouts, and um, we give sort of a two thousand,

980
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: one TRL shout out to your squad to uh something

981
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: that you like, enjoyed anything in the whole wide world.

982
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: And the idea is that this is and radio shoutouts

983
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: for such an integral element of straight culture. Yes, um, no, George,

984
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:59,240
Speaker 1: she she got that. Okay, fine, h wow. Look now

985
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: I'm doing what you were doing in the beginning, where

986
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm over explaining rather than showing, not telling. No, no, no,

987
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: I was doing the right thing. Oh, you were doing

988
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: the right thing, and I'm doing the wrong thing. Got it? Okay? Yeah? Um,

989
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: what's up? Listeners? Um, I just want to give a

990
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: huge New York City shout out to waking up earlier.

991
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: I have committed to waking up earlier, and for me

992
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: that means nine am. For many people on Earth and

993
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: in America even that is not that early. But for me,

994
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: that's quite early, and it's hard and I wake up.

995
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: You know I go to bed one, two three, It's

996
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: a free for all over here. I'm hooking all I

997
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: want and I'm staying up and I'm hooking. But I'm

998
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: punishing myself this week and I'm saying get up at nine,

999
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: and I've been doing it and it sucks and I

1000
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: wonder how long it'll go. But it's nice to get

1001
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: up early and be able to get stuff done for

1002
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: her earlier. Thank you and good night. Woo. What's up, listeners?

1003
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: I want to give a quick shout out to the

1004
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: guy that emailed the Stradio Lab account and told us

1005
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: the the reason my Mike was being weird is because

1006
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: my phone was close to it. Guess what, Queen, you

1007
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: have done it again, constantly raising the bar for us

1008
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: all because in fact you were right. My phone was

1009
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: next time Mike. And yeah, I'm not going to apologize

1010
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: for that, but what I am going to do is

1011
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: change it because it was wrong. But also I'm empowered

1012
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: and I don't need to apologize. But also thank you

1013
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: for letting me know what to do in order to

1014
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 1: change my behavior to become better, which I already was.

1015
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: Let's no, I can't do it that way. Okay, what

1016
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: up listeners, it's your girl, Julia, and I just want

1017
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: to give a quick shout out to uniclode, keep Tech,

1018
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: Turtlenex and Long john pants they're called. I was in

1019
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: Chicago for a whole month at my parents house and

1020
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: I was shivering my tushie off the whole freaking time.

1021
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: And when I said, can we turn the heat up?

1022
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: My dad said, put on your coat and do some

1023
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: chunk jumping to So I literally wore heat tech under

1024
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: all of my clothes and to sleep for one month.

1025
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: And they smelled, but I stayed warm and I have

1026
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: poor circulation and I think I'm an email But I

1027
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: want to thank unlow Wow, who go in from uniclow

1028
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: to keep it on theme? That is that? Is that hookah?

1029
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: I mean I literally I was so like I was

1030
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: actually shivering. It was like, yeah, I was not copy even.

1031
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: But you know, heat tech is such a game. It's

1032
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: never my because I didn't grow up with heat tech culture.

1033
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: It's never my instinct to put on a pair of

1034
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: Long Johns. And then when I remember that I owned them,

1035
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: it's such a game changer. I love Long John's. They're

1036
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: so fun there. It's it's fun, and you know what else,

1037
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: a guy wearing long John's, it's hot, it's hot, it's

1038
01:04:53,560 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: randomly hot. Now a woman wearing long John's um feminism fail. Yeah,

1039
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't want a little butt flap, you know, a

1040
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: long underwear I went to an underwear party that was

1041
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: specifically long underwear party. Come. Every single episode, Sam reveals

1042
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: that he went to a different underwear party party. It

1043
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: was like they had like a dark room if you

1044
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: wanted to, but it wasn't. You wanted to take off

1045
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: your long Johns and be only in your normal underwear. Wait,

1046
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: so it was a long john themed underwear party. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was like you were actually more fully clothed than

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Speaker 1: you would have been otherwise, Like you were like wearing

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Speaker 1: long John's and like not a shirt. Oh oh, that

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Speaker 1: would be a terrible look for me. But you can

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Speaker 1: also wear a shirt if you want. Great. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it would get so much attention if I showed up

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Speaker 1: wearing a full full body suit, if you were wearing

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Speaker 1: a union suit, you would get attention. Well, let's who

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Speaker 1: go to that? Who go to the who? Who? Who?

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Speaker 1: Who go to that? And who who who go to?

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Speaker 1: Our guest, Julia Chiplet, thank you so much for coming

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Speaker 1: on Julia uh and we love you, and I truly

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Speaker 1: do feel empowered for the first time after three months

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Speaker 1: of living here. I feel empowered to finally live out

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Speaker 1: loud and go and buy some plants and potentially thrifted

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Speaker 1: while art. I believe in you. Thank you. Okay, bye

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Speaker 1: bye Wait