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Speaker 1: we say good morning, Stay a while, got a poll question,

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Speaker 1: play of the day, stat of the day coming up.

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Speaker 1: We have the leading Heisman Trophy candidate Kyle Trask from Florida.

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Speaker 1: The Florida Gator quarterback. Will join us a little later

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Speaker 1: on Michigan State head basketball coach Tom Izzo on the

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Speaker 1: cancelations of basketball games. Already, we'll check in with the

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Speaker 1: Bengals radio color analyst, former offensive lineman Dave Lapham. He's

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Speaker 1: been doing Bengal broadcast for thirty five years. He deserves

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Speaker 1: a statue. Josh Dumel, actor and friend of the show,

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Speaker 1: which one is coming up as well. He's got a

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Speaker 1: new movie out. Throughout most of his career, We're used

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Speaker 1: to seeing Tom Brady shine when the lights of the brightest,

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Speaker 1: but he certainly struggled in primetime. He did again last

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Speaker 1: night and the loss of the Rams. He's one in

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Speaker 1: three in primetime games this season, and it's not always

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Speaker 1: about the quarterback, but it feels like when it's Tom Brady,

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Speaker 1: it's either really good or really bad. And last night

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Speaker 1: he struggled against the Rams pressure. He had two costly interceptions,

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Speaker 1: including one to close out the game in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: We overreact to every game. We do it for everybody,

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Speaker 1: but in particular when it's marquee players, marquee quarterbacks, coaches,

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Speaker 1: and last night watching Tom Brady struggle with the deep ball,

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Speaker 1: you have to have some questions here about how good

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Speaker 1: is this team, who they've beaten and who they've lost to,

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Speaker 1: because they do not beat really good teams. They blew

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Speaker 1: out in Green Bay when we had all figured out right,

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Speaker 1: and then they get blown out, and then we don't

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Speaker 1: have them figured out, and then here they are at

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Speaker 1: seven and four. The Rams were a better team last night.

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Speaker 1: Rams didn't run the ball, but they were a better

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Speaker 1: all around team. You don't make mistakes. They put some

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Speaker 1: pressure on Brady. Brady is still getting used to Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 1: I think he's trying to force the ball a little

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Speaker 1: bit too much to his otherwide receivers. It feels like

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Speaker 1: Brady wants the home run ball, and I was looking

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Speaker 1: at some stats here because I thought maybe Brady just

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Speaker 1: can't throw the deep ball. Let's go all the way

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Speaker 1: back to twenty nineteen, Brady was the NFL's fourth best

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Speaker 1: quarterback at throwing the deep ball. Now, it's strange to

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Speaker 1: see it because Bruce arians loves the deep ball. Brady

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Speaker 1: didn't really get the opportunity or have the weapons in

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Speaker 1: New England to throw the deep ball in a consistent basis.

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Speaker 1: But he you know, he's got Mike Evans there, and

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Speaker 1: it feels like you're just screaming for Mike Evans to

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Speaker 1: get the ball more. But it felt like Brady was

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Speaker 1: trying to get the ball to him more. Antonio Brown

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Speaker 1: is where I'd want to go. I would just get

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Speaker 1: him the ball in space and let him do something there.

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Speaker 1: It feels like they're getting away from what they do

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Speaker 1: really well. I would run the football and I would

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Speaker 1: have a lot of these shorter paths is there and

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Speaker 1: then you may take a home run shot there. But Brady,

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Speaker 1: in fifteen or more yards down field on his attempts

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Speaker 1: last night, was one for ten with eighteen yards, no touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: and two interceptions. That's alarming because at some point, you know,

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Speaker 1: Brady is not going to be able to make those throws.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that means now he could come back.

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Speaker 1: They got a game against Kansas City, could throw four touchdowns,

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Speaker 1: but the inconsistency is what's going to hurt them eventually.

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Speaker 1: You have to be able to win when you're not

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Speaker 1: playing well, and it doesn't feel like Tampa's Tampa is

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Speaker 1: able to do that. Here's Brady after last night's loss

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Speaker 1: and the final interception that's bad read and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: over Cam's head. So just a bad read, bad throw,

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Speaker 1: decision and everything. The Buccaneers longest offensive play was an

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Speaker 1: eighteen yard completely into Mike Evans. Now, I had some drops.

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Speaker 1: Running backs Leonard Fournette, Ronald Jones had some drops. But

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Speaker 1: still Brady when he gets pressured, as most quarterbacks will do,

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Speaker 1: looks more human. And you saw that last night. I've

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Speaker 1: but they scored three points. That's not fair to the Rams.

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Speaker 1: But it feels like we all abandoned ship. You know,

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Speaker 1: But Cooper Cup looked great last night. And that's a

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Speaker 1: might be in a spoiler role there. Arizona we know

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Speaker 1: have Seattle, and Seattle is getting a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of a defense here. NFC West is the most competitive

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Speaker 1: division we have in football right now. Yes, McLevin, we're

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Speaker 1: being so weak to week on Brady he had forty

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Speaker 1: six against the Panthers last week. That's a decent team.

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Speaker 1: They almost beat the Chiefs. It's not a terrible team.

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Speaker 1: It's not a good team. They took the Chiefs to

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Speaker 1: a Chiefs team that everyone thinks is gonna blow the

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Speaker 1: but I don't think that they're the best team. But

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Speaker 1: I feel like he's going to have some more good games, right,

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Speaker 1: a couple of big ones. Yeah. But my problem is

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Speaker 1: is they're not beating good teams. Each of the Buccaneers

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Speaker 1: not beating good teams. And that's their four losses. That's

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Speaker 1: what's concerning I want to know how good are you?

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Speaker 1: Who did you beat? Where did you beat them? How

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Speaker 1: I just don't know what they have weekend in week out.

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Speaker 1: It feels like what Brady's philosophy should be or game

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Speaker 1: plan is different than what bruce Arians philosophy or game

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Speaker 1: quite sure what you have with them. The Saints courting

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Speaker 1: You're gonna be throwing the ball forty five fifty times.

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Speaker 1: NFC's to not any good, So you have question marks there.

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Speaker 1: It's wide open for somebody to take this. I'm just surprised.

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Speaker 1: It feels like Tampa's game plan weekend and week out.

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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure who they are. And the Rams

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Speaker 1: that performance last night, But this is Brady Tampa in

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Speaker 1: a game that Tampa has to win, has to win. Yeah, MC,

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Speaker 1: can we do a revisionist poll question, where should Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady have gone? And if hypothetically, oh my gosh, hypothetically,

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Speaker 1: wanted to have fun, He had weapons. I don't think

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Speaker 1: to be good enough. He got Gronk there, Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Brady's gotten everything he wants. Gronk is there,

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Speaker 1: week to week, like, what did they do against Kansas City?

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Speaker 1: Are they going to get in a shootout with Kansas City?

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Speaker 1: Are they going to try to run the ball against

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Speaker 1: Kansas City? Yeah? I'm clem. Did you say I forgot

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Speaker 1: the Bears? Right? That was the surprise team that nobody

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Speaker 1: that's not good option for anybody. Stop. Maybe he's got

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Speaker 1: a hand the ball off more No, no, no, let's

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Speaker 1: not be silly. They got Kansas City coming up, then

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Speaker 1: a bye week, they got Minnesota, Atlanta, Detroit in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: All right, they got seven wins here, I'm assuming ten wins?

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Speaker 1: Is that going to be enough not to win your division?

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Speaker 1: Tampa could end up on the road in Dallas or

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Speaker 1: New York for the playoffs, Philadelphia for the playoffs on

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Speaker 1: the road, yeah, MC yeah, i'dan they're gonna be a

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Speaker 1: heavy favorite to figure out one of those teams, will they? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: with Brady? They No, I don't want to go down

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Speaker 1: this road. Andy, It's like, this is stupid. I don't

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Speaker 1: that's happening now. But you said Bruce Arians might be

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Speaker 1: the wrong style. That's why I was saying. But he's there.

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Speaker 1: You can change this style he's not, can you, Yes,

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Speaker 1: of course you can. I feel like Arians is so

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Speaker 1: set in his way. We saw it last light. He

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Speaker 1: just wouldn't He's kept going downfield. Yeah, but I'm not

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Speaker 1: into revisionist history. Maybe you should have stayed with the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's there in Tampa. Now, what do you

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Speaker 1: do now? How do you make this better? And I

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Speaker 1: know it's week to week, primetime standalone game. We do this,

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Speaker 1: we dissect it even more. I just don't know if

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady is capable of being a consistent deep ball passer.

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Speaker 1: He has more interceptions now at this stage they need

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Speaker 1: it all of last year. That's concerning. I know it's

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Speaker 1: a new team getting used to Gronk and Antonio Brown

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Speaker 1: is Brady in the expectation levels should be hind Yeah, Seed,

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Speaker 1: another if you'll allow me. All right, do we dive

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Speaker 1: you're an former athlete, you know that. Yes, Todd, shouldn't

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Speaker 1: That'd be Halloween but still fall thanks you people. Pumpkin pie.

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Speaker 1: allow me to do. I'm going to give you ten, ten, ten,

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Speaker 1: You get to go as long as you're good. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fair. We're going. Maybe it's like a three strikes

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Speaker 1: to the third strike. Okay, that'll be tomorrow tomorrow. We'll

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Speaker 1: have that for you and Aaron Rodgers tomorrow. Aaron Rodgers tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: How about that? All right? Great, we got him after

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Speaker 1: a loss. Can't wait? All right, we'll take a break. Wow,

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Speaker 1: we're getting back to up here. We'll check in with

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Speaker 1: the Bengals. Dave Lapham is the Bengals radio color analyst.

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Speaker 1: His thoughts on Joe Burrow going down. I mentioned yesterday

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Speaker 1: at this time I thought it was a more serious

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Speaker 1: But it's a long process, at least nine months, maybe

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Speaker 1: It was nice with Marshaw and Lynch. Did we have

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Speaker 1: the poll question McLevin. Yeah, I put up will Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady when a playoff game this year? People are not

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Speaker 1: buying that said no to start, But if you look

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Speaker 1: at the Rams defense, the Rams defense along with the

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Speaker 1: Colts might be the most complete defenses right now in football.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers is a great defense as well, but the

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Speaker 1: Colts that's a that's a really good defense. And what

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Speaker 1: you see with the Rams statistically, with the Rams, they're

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Speaker 1: one of the two top defenses right now in football.

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Speaker 1: And we saw some of that last night with Tom Brady.

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Speaker 1: The big story yesterday we were talking about the blame

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Speaker 1: game with the Bengals. Joe Burrow is out. Looks like

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Speaker 1: it's going to be maybe nine months, maybe up to

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Speaker 1: twelve months. There's some structural damage, it looks like in there.

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Speaker 1: And we reached out to Dave Lapham. Dave as a

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Speaker 1: former offensive lineman for the Bengals and he has been

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Speaker 1: the color analyst on radio for the Bengals for thirty

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Speaker 1: five years now and he joins us on the program. Dave,

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Speaker 1: what's the local reaction to Joe Burrow's injury? Since that

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Speaker 1: you go through, you know, crest, fallen, disappointment, can't believe it, everything, everything,

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Speaker 1: and all emotions that you can imagine. I think the

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Speaker 1: worst nightmare came true. What about blame, Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of that going around, but he's, uh, everybody's suits

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Speaker 1: journey there. When an injury like that occurs, the reaction

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Speaker 1: is emotional and blame is going from ownership to coaches,

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Speaker 1: to players to everything, everything and all inclusive for sure.

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Speaker 1: But you're a former offensive lineman, assess that offensive line

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Speaker 1: and should Joe Burrow have been attempting at least forty

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Speaker 1: passes per game? Well? You know the offensive line. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's there's not There's maybe eight offensive

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Speaker 1: lines in football that I think are really a cut

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Speaker 1: above everybody else. Is just offensive line play, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: is not good in the NFL overall. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: keep reading about teams giving up six sacks, eight sacks.

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Speaker 1: I'm in that in that department. Um it is it?

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Speaker 1: Uh even average? I'm not sure you could even say

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Speaker 1: that it approaches which at this point in time. But

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Speaker 1: they were. They were getting better. And part of the

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Speaker 1: reason they were getting better was because Joe Barrow was

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Speaker 1: starting to understand that he had to get the ball

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Speaker 1: out of his hand very quickly and the rhythm and

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Speaker 1: coordination and timing of her and it was going on

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Speaker 1: between Joe and his offensive line. What was this important?

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Speaker 1: Is that had to go on between Joe and his receivers.

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Speaker 1: So they were they were growing together. Um but and

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Speaker 1: that's the way they how they had to approach it.

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Speaker 1: In their mind to win football games. Joe Barrow was

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Speaker 1: clearly their best player and felt like they had to

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Speaker 1: throw the football for Joe to win football games. With

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Speaker 1: Joe Barrow and Dan, a lot of their passing game

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Speaker 1: was an extension of the running game. A lot of

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Speaker 1: these throws were like keep being the shotgun, catch a shotgun, snap,

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Speaker 1: find the laces, throw it. I mean, it was out

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't. It was almost like a long lateral

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Speaker 1: you know, he had They ran screens, they ran you know,

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Speaker 1: their quick passing game was a big, big part of

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Speaker 1: their offense, particularly when they started to figure out that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the offensive line and Joe were best married

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Speaker 1: in that type of a rhythm. So and it was

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Speaker 1: it was advancing um and unfortunately it's going to be

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Speaker 1: put on hold for a while. Is Zach Taylor coaching

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Speaker 1: for his job? Dave, Well, that's a good question. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's Uh, with the injury that took place, now it's

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Speaker 1: just pure speculation. They had a lead over a Washington

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Speaker 1: football team they felt like they could have beaten when

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Speaker 1: Joe went out, So you know, is your mindset, well,

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Speaker 1: could have beaten Washington and could have beaten some of

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Speaker 1: these other teams that are going to be coming up

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Speaker 1: on the schedule here with Joe Burrow, Is it fair

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Speaker 1: of the ZAC to say that, you know, he's going

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Speaker 1: to be greater on trying to beat these teams without

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. I mean, so many factors come into the equation.

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Speaker 1: I guess uh. In Mike Brown, by nature, he's extremely

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Speaker 1: patient with respect to coaches. I think what mobile did

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Speaker 1: his dad left a lifelong and rushing on him, and

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Speaker 1: he is he his coach's benefit of the doubt whenever,

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Speaker 1: whenever it's uh, it's questionable, he's gonna he's gonna sign on.

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Speaker 1: You know, let's give him more time. So I can't

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Speaker 1: answer that question, but my feeling is that with what

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Speaker 1: just took place, I think Mike Brown is not going

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Speaker 1: to pull a quick trigger. Is this franchise cursed boy?

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Speaker 1: That's that's the first thing every every fan talks about.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's boy, welcome to the curse. Joe, It's

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Speaker 1: it's it's amazing. When I saw Joe Burrow go down,

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Speaker 1: I immediately flash back to the other number nine going down,

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, and I said the exact My first reaction

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Speaker 1: was the exact same statement, Carson's down, Um Burrows down.

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Speaker 1: I mean just almost like I can't believe this almost

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Speaker 1: the exact same type of situation. Now, Carson wasn't high load,

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Speaker 1: it was only load, but most of the damage came

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Speaker 1: from the low hit. A clean you know, Clay, I

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Speaker 1: was just a bullrush and garden defensive tackles, slam into

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Speaker 1: the knee of Joe Burrow and the damage was because

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Speaker 1: you know you can pop an ACL just by a

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Speaker 1: violent cut and it just pops and no collateral damage. Well,

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Speaker 1: this was a traumatic injury and it could just slammed.

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Speaker 1: It went the wrong way and all the things go

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Speaker 1: along with it. So a CLMCL people thinking potentially PCL cartilage.

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Speaker 1: You know, God forbid nerve damage. All these things come

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Speaker 1: to your mind because that traumatic injury and there is

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Speaker 1: extensive damage there. It's not just a CLMCL was my understanding.

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Speaker 1: They won't know exactly how bad it is till they

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Speaker 1: go they do the surgery and then have to let

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Speaker 1: swelling subside before they even do that. So um, you

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Speaker 1: know it's when when you look at it. Three of

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Speaker 1: their first picks of the draft tour acls. John ra

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Speaker 1: Carters was a pop ACL with a violent cut up

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Speaker 1: in Detroit in the preseason. Carson Palmas was mattic, Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrows was traumatic. Man. I wouldn't want to be the

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Speaker 1: first pick of the draft of the Bengals. I guess

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Speaker 1: that's a curse. Any chance the Bengals bringing Colin Kaepernick,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that one. That one would that

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Speaker 1: would be an interesting one. I think I think that

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Speaker 1: they're They obviously elevated Alan from the practice squad because

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Speaker 1: he's small, the system and all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: And Dola Gala is on the Patriots practice squad. He's

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Speaker 1: a guy that has been in the Bengals organization very recently,

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Speaker 1: and they have a pretty good handle on what he's about.

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Speaker 1: I wonder how how strong the conversations are with respect

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Speaker 1: to Colin Kaepernick. That's one that obviously comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: It hit the King to my mind, But I just

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Speaker 1: wonder I don't have any kind of a handle on

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Speaker 1: on where they are in that regard. David's good to

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Speaker 1: talk to. You keep stirring it up. We love the

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Speaker 1: excitement and we appreciate you. Jonius. My pleasure of Dan.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Sir Dave Lappin, he's the Bengals radio color analyst.

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Speaker 1: This in from Mike Garifolo. He's the NFL network reporter.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals and doctors encouraged by what they saw in

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Speaker 1: the imaging of Joe Burrow's knee multiligament injury, but they're

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Speaker 1: optimistic about twenty twenty one and beyond. Yes, PAULI the

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Speaker 1: only upside for the Bengals not upside, But the opportunity

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Speaker 1: would be, you know, if they lose a lot of

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Speaker 1: ball games, have a top maybe the third pick in

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Speaker 1: the draft, they could trade out, get some help, get

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Speaker 1: more draft picks, get more linemen, get more defense because

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Speaker 1: someone will want to get a quarterback. Yeah, but they

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Speaker 1: might stay in there if they feel like there's somebody

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Speaker 1: who could be a difference maker for them. It's interesting

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Speaker 1: when you look at these linemen who are drafted so high,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of hit or miss. And that's what's scary

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Speaker 1: because it's I think it's becoming harder and harder to

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Speaker 1: really assess how good somebody is in college at that

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Speaker 1: position and how good they'll be in the NFL. There

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Speaker 1: have been a lot of offensive linemen taken in the

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Speaker 1: top five of the last time, you know, five years

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Speaker 1: and they've washed out. And it always felt like, well,

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Speaker 1: you could count on an offensive lineman like Okay, we

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Speaker 1: can plug that guy in. But it hasn't been that easy,

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Speaker 1: and coaches will tell you because of blocking techniques, offensive schemes,

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Speaker 1: it's different and making the transition into the NFL. Yeah, mclovin,

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Speaker 1: you know what narrative is out there. I love saying

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Speaker 1: Chase Young was a mistake for watching the number two,

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Speaker 1: even though he's great, because they should have gone quarterback

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Speaker 1: because they clearly didn't believe in Haskins. Have you seen

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Speaker 1: a that does that make any sense? Well, you had

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Speaker 1: the owner who wanted Dwayne Haskins, and you had a

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Speaker 1: lame duck coach. I just you know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what they were going to be able to do, and

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Speaker 1: they wanted to give Haskins an opportunity to prove that

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Speaker 1: he was worthy of that pick. But if the owner

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Speaker 1: doesn't make that pick and once Dwayne Haskins, then maybe

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Speaker 1: they do go for a quarterback there. I mean in

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Speaker 1: retrospect Justin Herbert, Yes, yes, well Tua, I mean, I

646
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Speaker 1: guess you could look at anybody in that position, but

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert looks more like a finished product right now

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Speaker 1: than two. It does. Yeah. Twenty one draft order right

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Speaker 1: now is Jets first pick, Jacksonville second pick. Cincinnati has

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Speaker 1: a third pick as of right now. Then there's five

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Speaker 1: teams battling for the fourth pick, Dallas, Washington, Charters, Giants, Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: Miami from the Houston trade, and then Carolina is a

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Speaker 1: tenth pick. As of right now is that Oregon offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman still considered. Yeah, he's high up. Penny Senny, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Penny Sewell. People were tweeting when Joe Burrow went down

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Speaker 1: and said, oh great, now he could draft Penny Sewel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you said it. How do you know with the

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman is that you say it's the spread offense

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Speaker 1: has changed the style or something. Well, the NFL scout

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Speaker 1: told me it's harder to find really like lineman that

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Speaker 1: you go plug and play. You know, Dallas was very

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Speaker 1: fortunate with some of their draft picks. The Colts have

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Speaker 1: been very fortunate with their draft picks to try to

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Speaker 1: find those guys where you go, boy, this guy can't miss. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we got this guy out of Alabama, he can't miss.

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Speaker 1: Or we got this lineman out of Auburn. They can miss,

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Speaker 1: and they have missed, and they've missed in the top

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Speaker 1: five when you want to, you know, Beckton with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: it feels like they got their guy and he's going

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Speaker 1: to be a you know, starting left tackle for the

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Speaker 1: next fifteen years. But you just never know because it

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Speaker 1: feels like we got our guy. You know, when you

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Speaker 1: draft a lineman, it's so boring. But then You'll look

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Speaker 1: back and you look at what the Colts did with Nelson.

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Speaker 1: What was he fifth pick overall? And I had this,

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Speaker 1: you know this NFL scout said, the best player in

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Speaker 1: this draft is Nelson. He's nasty, He's going to be

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Speaker 1: a Hall of famer, exact words that he said. And

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Speaker 1: he said, but nobody like, you're not going to consider

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Speaker 1: him that high. You got that draftballing, Yeah, Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: number one to Cleveland, Saquon Barkley number two to the Giants,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold three to New York Jets, Denzel Award to Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: the fourth pick, Bradley Chubb to Denver with the fifth

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Speaker 1: pick than Quentin Nelson, and you got Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: so honest. But if you look at that draft, who's

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Speaker 1: the best player in that draft? Right now? Quentin Nelson's

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Speaker 1: on his way to the Hall of Fame. Yes, bring injury,

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Speaker 1: Yes he's going to be a Hall of Famer. The

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Speaker 1: fact that they're protecting Philip Rivers like that's amazing. Philip

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Speaker 1: Rivers is as fast as I am, and they've protected him.

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Speaker 1: He's been sacked less than ten times I think this year.

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Speaker 1: But Nelson, to me, that's one of those guys where

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Speaker 1: you go. This guy's got nasty attitude when he plays,

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Speaker 1: but he'll be a guy you plug and play and

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Speaker 1: he'll be a Hall of Famer. And it appears he's

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Speaker 1: certainly headed that way. All Right, We'll take a break.

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Speaker 1: Phone call is coming up next year on The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show, along with our Play of the Day. Thanks

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Speaker 1: a bye touchdown there fire the cannons for Mike Evans.

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Speaker 1: Evans ninth touchdown of his season, the only receiver to

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Speaker 1: catch at least ten touchdown passes in a season from

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Speaker 1: Masterclass dot com slash Patrick. Well, you're gonna need a

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Speaker 1: program on Thursday night for the Ravens. They're running backs

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Speaker 1: mark Ingram and JK. Dobbins tested positive and they will

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Speaker 1: not be playing. Your backfield looks like it will be

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Speaker 1: Gus Edwards and Justice Hill yep, for the big showdown

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00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: with the Steelers. Gus Edwards the only available running back

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Speaker 1: on the roster who has had any carries this season,

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Speaker 1: and Justice Hill, a little used twenty nineteen fourth round pick,

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Speaker 1: will be Baltimore's top backup. You already have an offense

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Speaker 1: that's struggling to find its identity here and now you're

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Speaker 1: facing the Steelers. But it does feel like This is

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Speaker 1: one of those weird games where Baltimore has no business

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Speaker 1: winning this game. You got your star offensive lineman out

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Speaker 1: for the year, you don't have any wide receivers, you

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Speaker 1: don't have your running back, and you're going you're facing

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Speaker 1: an undefeated Steeler team. Yeah, mclevan, good thing. Running Backs

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Speaker 1: don't matter when you want to win games. But gods,

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Speaker 1: Edwards isn't bad, right, well, he better be not bad.

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Speaker 1: He'd better be decent. He's better than those other two guys. Uh, well,

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Speaker 1: ingram has been hurt. Well, yeah, but Dobbins has taken

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Speaker 1: over the bulk of the carries. There. They're sort of

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Speaker 1: phasing mark ingram Ount. They're all the same. All those

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00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: guys are exactly the same, all running backs. Gibbs in

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Speaker 1: Virginia Joins says, hey, Gibbs, what's on your mind? And

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Speaker 1: how are you doing? High? Gibbs, Um, let's I mean

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Speaker 1: you were beating around the bush. Let's just call it

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Speaker 1: what it is. Tom Brady's petty man. He just is.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like it's game after game when he loses.

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Speaker 1: He's patty not being said. Okay, Paulie, how do you

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Speaker 1: feel about my field? My Carolina? That's only one Carolina

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Speaker 1: Carolina heels against Notre Dame this weekend. That that's a

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00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: disaster game for Notre Dame because Notre Dame fans are

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Speaker 1: already looking to the ACC title game and they're not

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Speaker 1: gonna like it. Yes, sir, Yeah, thank you, thank you. Gibbs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna lose. What is the line on that game?

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Speaker 1: North Carolina? It feels like every other year we look

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Speaker 1: at North Carolina. Go, hey, North Carolina, it's good. North

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Speaker 1: Carolina always has a couple of draft picks. Where you go,

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Speaker 1: why weren't they any good team wise? But they always

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Speaker 1: have some talent. Yeah, Paul, that's a sneaky game, because Dan,

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Speaker 1: on Friday, we get blindsided by some college football games.

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Speaker 1: Iowa State Texas is at noon on Friday. That's Friday.

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Speaker 1: Then Notre Dame, North Carolina three thirty pm Eastern. Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame's given five, Sam holland the guys. Okay. Then late

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Speaker 1: night you got Oregon, Oregon State, Dawk and South Carolina. Hey, Doc,

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Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Hey? Dan, I wanted to give you.

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Speaker 1: I've got some connection. Short version is with the Bengals.

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Speaker 1: I'm a radiologist and read thousands of knee mries, and

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Speaker 1: I'm Mark Galloway, the Bengals team doc has also done

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Speaker 1: surge around both of my knees, so you get that

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Speaker 1: this is breaking news. You get it first. The short

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Speaker 1: version with burrowed knee is ACL tear MCL tear medial

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Speaker 1: meniscus masceration. So what that is. Your ACL goes from

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Speaker 1: your femur to your tibia at an angle, going from

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Speaker 1: the back to the front in the midline. Your MCL

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Speaker 1: if you look down at your knee, is on the

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Speaker 1: inside of his left knee, going from femur to tibia.

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Speaker 1: And then the medial meniscus is the pad that's between

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Speaker 1: your femur and your tibia on the medial side. It's

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Speaker 1: called the terrible trigone. It happens a lot of times

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Speaker 1: together in a massive knee injury from that angle. The

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Speaker 1: good news is for him that it's in his left knee.

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Speaker 1: It's not his planning knee or his throwing knee necessarily,

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Speaker 1: and as a quarterback, he probably probably shouldn't give him

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Speaker 1: any long term damage even though it's pretty bad. So

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Speaker 1: that's the upside. You'll hear that later. I got it

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Speaker 1: straight from sources, So there you go. Thanks to share

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Speaker 1: what you and I could do a great job. I'll

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Speaker 1: try to share when people get these big injuries and all.

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Speaker 1: I've switched my life situation a little bit so i'll

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Speaker 1: have a little more time. I listened on Thank You, Doc,

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Speaker 1: Gotta go. Yeah,