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Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Well, the playoffs are different.

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Speaker 1: A man who won a lot of playoff games, a

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Speaker 1: three time Super Bowl champ, twelve years in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl MVP, Julian Edelman Fox Sports is now

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Speaker 1: joining us live. All right, let's go to your first

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Speaker 1: playoff game, because Drake may is gonna be his first

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Speaker 1: playoff game, Caleb william Is going to be his first

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Speaker 1: playoff game. Go to your first playoff game, nerves. What's

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Speaker 1: the difference between Week twelve?

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Speaker 4: The first playoff game is always it's a fun experience,

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Speaker 4: but it's a very there's a sense of urgency that

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Speaker 4: just gives it's kicked up, especially.

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Speaker 5: Where we were.

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Speaker 4: We were playing against the Ravens. It was the one

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Speaker 4: where right out the gate they went eighty six with

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Speaker 4: Ray Rice and it was kind of an uphill battle

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Speaker 4: from there. But the playoffs. Like you always talk about

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Speaker 4: the speed of the game from you know, preseason training

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Speaker 4: camp to the regular season to like the late of

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Speaker 4: the season and playoffs start, and it just seems like

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Speaker 4: the games faster and faster each week. You keep on playing,

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Speaker 4: and the machines, the machines of the teams are well

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Speaker 4: oiled to that point, so you're not playing any bad teams.

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Speaker 5: So you know, it's a fun time of the year.

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Speaker 4: You make your money in the regular season, you make

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Speaker 4: your name in that postseason.

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Speaker 5: We're about to see a lot of new big names.

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Speaker 1: Drake May of all his assets up the entire operation.

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Speaker 1: What impresses you most about the Patriots stuff quarterback?

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Speaker 4: I think it's his attitude, you know, just talking to

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Speaker 4: people over there. Everyone talks about how he's so hungry

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Speaker 4: to be coached, he's so hungry to learn, and it

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Speaker 4: translates into how he looks to when he's playing. He

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Speaker 4: looks so confident, He makes it look so easy. And

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Speaker 4: I think his relationship with Josh McDaniels has been awesome.

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Speaker 5: Josh helps him.

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Speaker 4: You know, on calling plays when certain guys are out

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Speaker 4: or if they're trying to feature other guys. They've got

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Speaker 4: a great little run game going with them, and he's

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Speaker 4: So I think his attitude is just the one thing

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Speaker 4: that stands out. All these guys can throw the ball,

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Speaker 4: all these guys can run the ball. Now, especially at

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Speaker 4: that position, it's the guys that are really wanting to

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Speaker 4: dive into the academics of football, learning, situations, learning, you know,

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Speaker 4: all right, it's third and six in the red area

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Speaker 4: list like not, let's not throw an interception, Let's take

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Speaker 4: the three points.

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Speaker 5: And he's shown that.

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Speaker 4: He's got that calm, cool, collect attitude.

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Speaker 5: And it's been real fun.

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Speaker 1: To watch Josh McDaniels all your years when he was

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Speaker 1: your OC. Does Josh does the tempo change the intensity?

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Speaker 1: Does Josh call a different game? Does he hide things

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Speaker 1: for the playoffs? Would you insert something week thirteen and

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Speaker 1: Josh not use it? Do you create new sets or

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Speaker 1: do you kind of go back to what worked in

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Speaker 1: the regular season. So you're facing the Chargers, one of

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Speaker 1: the better defenses. How much is new and how much

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Speaker 1: is stuff that has worked Weeks one through eighteen.

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Speaker 4: With Josh's offense, it's always a game plan offense. So

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Speaker 4: it could be new every week. You have your fundamental

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Speaker 4: plays that you'll always have that everyone's comfortable with, that

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Speaker 4: new wrinkle to try to exposed the deficiencies of what

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Speaker 4: something they've been working on potentially throughout the season that

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Speaker 4: they may never got called because they didn't get the

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Speaker 4: right look. You know, I remember always when we went

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Speaker 5: Leave anything in the tank. If we have anything in the.

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Speaker 4: Playbook, be ready for it to be used because there's

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Speaker 4: no next week to save it for.

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Speaker 5: So you could.

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Speaker 4: Definitely bank on the fundamental things that have worked all year,

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Speaker 1: So Seattle's a team that just if you turn the

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Speaker 1: seeing a team that may have a better roster. They're

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Speaker 1: How do you take advantage of Seattle's aggressiveness and youth

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's about when you're playing. And they

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Speaker 4: and they're disciplined. They all they play really good team defense.

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Speaker 4: You know, you never see wide open plays, blown coverages,

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Speaker 4: and that's in a testament to good coaching. So when

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Speaker 5: You can't have mistakes.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna have maybe two to five opportunities to get

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Speaker 1: The So Mahomes isn't in, Burrow's not in, Lamar Jackson's

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Speaker 1: Stroud and Bo Nix and Drake May and a lot

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Speaker 1: of young kids. Do you think in the building in

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Speaker 1: feel like, hey, Mahomes isn't here, Lamar's not here. These

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Speaker 1: you feel there's a confidence with Buffalo knowing guys, this

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's like that, because they're seeing

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Speaker 4: And you know, McDermott is a pretty self scout kind

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Speaker 4: really doesn't take anyone really lightly. That's how that defensive

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Speaker 4: a bunch of teams that are new to this, this playoff.

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Speaker 5: The playoffs this year. But you know, you look.

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Speaker 4: At some of these defenses and you look at somehow

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Speaker 4: I'm scared for them against the Jacksonville Jaguars on the

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Speaker 4: good defense, very good offense. They're very complementary. They get

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Speaker 4: things done in the special teams. You know, they're a

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Speaker 5: You know, the Bills, everything has to kind of go right.

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Speaker 5: They got to jump out to a league.

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Speaker 4: You know, Josh Allen, they got to run the ball well.

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen has to make a couple plays. He can't

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Speaker 4: get banged up. So I don't think that they're thinking

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Speaker 4: let's just worry about what our opportunity is ahead of us.

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Speaker 5: We got Jacksonville.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I can't imagine them taking Jacksonville lately

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Speaker 1: So a team like the Rams of the Bears, you

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Speaker 1: could argue they both peaked in about week thirteen, fourteen fifteen,

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Speaker 3: Does that matter?

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Speaker 1: Does it matter how you did your last two to

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of different opinions on this. And for me,

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Speaker 4: I always liked to go in hot in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I would be worried if I was

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Speaker 4: Worried if I'm Chicago and you know, like we're a

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Speaker 5: I don't love that.

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Speaker 4: Like getting off like the playoffs is about like who

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Speaker 4: and what team can make that one play that one time.

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Speaker 5: Who's going to do it consistently?

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Speaker 4: So you know, I was always, hey, we got to

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Speaker 1: So Aaron last night had one of his best halves

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Speaker 1: of the year. No DK metcalf and yet he went

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Speaker 1: toe to toe as Lamar was Zayflowers, blown coverages go

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Speaker 1: back to you know, Tom's in his forties. Tom is older.

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Speaker 1: It did feel like Aaron sort of relied. He went

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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's you kind of hope Warren bus

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Speaker 1: And do you remember playing with Tommy. I'm sure you do,

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Speaker 1: one of those big Sunday night games and Tom's just

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, late in our career when we were

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Speaker 4: like that. Every week you got to play to the

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Speaker 4: him blocked, like with what you saw Aaron du last night.

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Speaker 5: Hey man, sometimes these.

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Speaker 4: Little swing passes, these little screens that pick up three

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Speaker 5: That's the way we're gonna have to play.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have to muddy the game up because we

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Speaker 4: don't have any explosion plays. So I thought Aaron did

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Speaker 4: an unbelievable job at that. There was probably three throws

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Speaker 4: The Falcons what they gotta they gotta They got a

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Speaker 5: You know those I think that's the most attractive job

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, We've said this before.

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Speaker 1: When Harbaugh took that job and Sean Payton took that job,

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Speaker 3: Both done well.

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Speaker 1: But there is something about the NFC South. You can

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Speaker 8: I mean, three teams finish eight to nine. Carolina was

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Speaker 8: what minus forty on point differential? Come on, Rams are

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Speaker 8: gonna smash them, By the way, don't think it's competitive.

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Speaker 3: I kind of feel that way too. Jmack with the News.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I've only got I've only got three games

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Speaker 3: There's only three. I would better.

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Speaker 8: I want to horse anything, right.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to do with the Patriots.

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Speaker 8: You're running hot.

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Speaker 3: Just fire away, Come on, I did have a Wendy.

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Speaker 8: We need some jet skis in twenty twenty six. All right,

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Speaker 8: let's go to a job security and might mc daniels

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Speaker 8: colin the guy in Miami, is he in trouble? I

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Speaker 8: don't know. Four coaches have been fired in the last

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Speaker 3: The conversations.

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Speaker 9: I'll stay consistent with the conversations that I have with ownership.

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Speaker 9: I take the job serious and so I will uh

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Speaker 1: If I was GM, because of the situation, I would

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Speaker 1: I thought most of the criticism went. I mean, he

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Jets are a traveling circus, so you're

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Speaker 8: I think we'll talk about him shortly. Something. I think

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Speaker 8: I'm curious about McDaniel. So my thing is a lot

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Speaker 8: There's no trade market for tour right we would agree.

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's much of a market.

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Speaker 8: You're five to six win team, you have a top

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Speaker 1: I was Miami, I would just try to accumulate teammates,

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Speaker 1: I don't think right now there's an absolute Maybe Arch

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Speaker 8: I think we said that a year ago. But I'll

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Speaker 8: There's some other guys out next year. Is good. But anyways,

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Speaker 8: all right, so let's move on to the Jets. I

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Speaker 8: in my favorite team in sports, stinking up to Joy Colin.

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Speaker 8: They said a record yesterday, became the first team in

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Speaker 1: I think when you can't have an interception two, I

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Speaker 1: It's a defensive coach, by the way. That's Gannon in Arizona. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: certain coaches you just know like, this isn't work. I

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Speaker 3: As they like.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski made Shador Sanders beat Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: Shaduor Sanders beat Joe Burrow in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 8: You watch that game. He didn't do anything.

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Speaker 8: Okay, here's a hypothetical. Dante Moore beats Indiana this week.

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Speaker 8: fair You're getting a quarterback?

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Speaker 1: You all, Stefanski's going to have options. All make a prediction.

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Speaker 1: Stefanski will be offered the Atlanta job and the Giants job.

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Speaker 8: Do you believe one of those is better than the other,

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Speaker 1: Well, Atlanta's got a superstar running the best running back

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Speaker 8: He's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also easier division.

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Speaker 1: If I'm Stefanski, I'm like, i gotta go down to

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Speaker 8: And Edelman's in his homework that defense was Yeah, they

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Speaker 8: I just don't know. Pennicks are dart If you got

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's coming out.

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Speaker 1: I think Indiana's gonna I think it's a good game,

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Speaker 1: but Indiana wins by the time.

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Speaker 8: You think he stays in school, Yes, he's twenty years old.

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Speaker 1: He needs fifteen more starts. I think he'll be a

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Speaker 1: good pro prospect. He'll be a top ten pick next year.

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Speaker 8: So then Jets don't get a quarterback early. Maybe Tye

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Speaker 8: Simpson with their second first round, second round. There is

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Speaker 8: no optimism with the Jets. Listen, we got a lot

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Speaker 8: of picks. Stop, we got for the top forty four picks.

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Speaker 8: That's optimism, my friend. Yep, yeah, okay, all right. Final story, Colin.

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Speaker 8: The Panthers and Rams kick off the wild card weekend

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Speaker 8: Saturday on Fox. How about this staft from our staff here,

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Speaker 8: four of the six road teams this weekend are favored

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Speaker 8: Rams are favored Bills, Packers, and Texans.

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Speaker 1: I don't how can you watch this season and have

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Speaker 1: the Bills favored over Jacksonville in Florida.

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Speaker 8: I think that's respect for Dash Allen.

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Speaker 1: That's my favorite bet on the board is Jacksonville is

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Speaker 1: a home dog. If you told me they beat him

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Speaker 1: thirty four to twenty one, I'd be like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't even understand the line.

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Speaker 8: What about Texans Steelers? Nothing from me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not touching it. If it's three and a half,

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Speaker 1: I'm taking Pittsburgh at home to cover. Yeah, low scoring,

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Speaker 1: ugly twenty three to twenty. Houston wins, Pittsburgh covers.

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Speaker 8: And Bears Packers you're kind of on the fence.

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Speaker 3: I would take the Bears.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that I need to do some research a third matchup.

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Speaker 8: I really think la Floor's not know the floor half

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Speaker 8: Lee's defense. Have you seen what they did to Caleb

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Speaker 8: in the first half of those two meetings. Bears had

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Speaker 8: like no first half off it. They came in with

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Speaker 8: a game plan ready to stop everything Ben Johnson had

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Speaker 8: and they did so.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I'm being talked into a first half bet on two

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Speaker 8: of these games. I'll I reveal this to you later

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Speaker 8: in the week.

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Speaker 1: All right, jmckle the news, Well that's the news, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for stopping.

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Speaker 2: By the Herdline News.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think every team in this league

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Speaker 1: could say, oh, Tennessee is no good.

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Speaker 3: They have cam Ward. What about the Giants?

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Speaker 1: They have Jackson Dart Scataboo, what about the Raiders, brock Bauers,

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Speaker 1: Aston Gent There's there's something about every team in the

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Speaker 1: league except the New York Jets. Now, you could say,

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Speaker 1: what about Arizona. I've got Harrison, I've got McBride, I've

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Speaker 1: got some nice offensive pieces in Arizona. There is no

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Speaker 1: redeemable part of the New York Jets job, as far

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Speaker 1: as I can tell, The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady joins the show this Thursday and each week

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Speaker 1: through the NFL Playoff. Put those games. Put the playoff

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Speaker 1: games up. Here's I just give you my early I

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Speaker 1: had a winning week, blazing five sixty percent of our

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Speaker 1: picks this year we hit on, so we had.

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Speaker 3: A very good year.

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Speaker 1: New England at home minus three and a half kind

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Speaker 1: of a stay away game for me. If it came

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Speaker 1: down to three, I would take New England. I think

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Speaker 1: New England's proven a week after week they're the better team.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers did rest a lot of starters against Denver,

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Speaker 1: so that's that to me, is a three point game

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Speaker 1: either way, probably a stay away game. My strongest opinion

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Speaker 1: is Jacksonville at home getting a point and a half.

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Speaker 1: I would take the Jaguars winning that thing straight out.

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Speaker 3: Money line.

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Speaker 1: Texans Steelers if it goes to three and a half,

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Speaker 1: I think the Steelers are a great bet. If it's

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Speaker 1: three again, I think the Texans probably win by three.

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Speaker 1: I think the numbers right green Bay at Chicago don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily get the line started pick them. The wise guys

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Speaker 1: came in heavy on green Bay. It looks like, so

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Speaker 1: you know now the Bears are an underdog at home again.

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville in Chicago at home as a dog. I think

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville in Chicago have better rosters. San Francisco at Philadelphia. Jmack,

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Speaker 1: I think he told me the lines up to minus four,

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia favorite at home. A lot of that is the

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Speaker 1: injury report. If Ricky Pearsoll's playing, I mean the Niners

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Speaker 1: got all banged up against Seattle. Who's playing. If Trent

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Speaker 1: Williams and Ricky pearsall are playing, four would be four

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Speaker 1: and a half would be pretty tasty. I think Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: is gonna win that game, and the Rams are a

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Speaker 1: ten and a half point favorite at Carolina. If it

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Speaker 1: came down to ten, I think the Rams win handily.

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Speaker 1: The totally missed this.

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Speaker 8: So not only do the Bears have a first time

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Speaker 8: quarterback in the playoffs, first time head coach Ben Johnson's

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Speaker 8: never been a head coach in the playoffs before. I

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Speaker 8: know in Detroit, it's like, hey, get the offense ready

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Speaker 8: to dial up some cute place. Now he's got to

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Speaker 8: do everything, be in charge of everything. And they have

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Speaker 8: lost two in a row where they played all their guys.

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Speaker 8: I wonder if any of that like Bears. Remember, if

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Speaker 8: they don't get a turnover call, they led the league

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Speaker 8: in turnovers by a large margin, led the league in picks.

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Speaker 8: If they don't get turnovers, the defense doesn't really get stopped.

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Speaker 8: So I can see some of this. Packers love WI

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Speaker 8: a Packer health situation, now, that's that's everything. They sat everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yep, so you know, and things change.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if I find out everybody's playing for

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Speaker 1: the Packers, then they're probably you know, in.

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Speaker 8: They're Mined Watson. Yeah, Then all of a sudden they've

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Speaker 8: been in the spot before. Let me have a quick

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Speaker 8: question on this. I think Bill's Jaguars is becoming interesting

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Speaker 8: because of this. Sean Payton sorry, Sean McDermott angle, he's

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Speaker 8: got to win that game coming. Oh yes, this is

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Speaker 8: a big one. Now, I don't know you said they

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Speaker 8: got a new stadium.

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Speaker 1: Going into a new stadium, if you had a new coach,

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Speaker 1: new stadium, energy, new energy.

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Speaker 8: Because this is the year with Mahomes out, burrow out,

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Speaker 8: lamar out. Josh is the last man's standing. He's the

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Speaker 8: best quarterback in the AFC. Right.

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Speaker 1: If I asked you to rank the quarterbocks, absolutely ry

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Speaker 1: you have. Your strongest conviction is the Chargers right now.

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Speaker 1: It's three and a half, yeah or three.

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Speaker 8: It depends where you're shopping. But I think Chargers. I

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Speaker 8: think they win this outright, Colin, I'm I don't wow,

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Speaker 8: I mean, I just the weakness on strength is a

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Speaker 8: big one. By the way, Chargers kicker besides that one

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Speaker 8: brick game against Houston, he's amazing Patriots kickers good. I

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Speaker 8: had him in fantasy for a minute. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 8: a spicy slate.

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Speaker 3: Listen, there will be an upset.

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Speaker 8: Okay, find you which one. Where's your upset.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, so Chargers Patriots. There's no coaching advantage. Bill's

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Jaguars at home. I think there's a coaching advantage

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Speaker 1: for Liam Cohen. Yeah, oh, first time head coach in

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Speaker 1: the play offensive coach, Liam Cohen coaching advantage Tex Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I like Demiko Ryans. I feel like I've got the

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Speaker 1: better team and the better coach. Packers Bears, They're both great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Niners have a coaching advantage over Philadelphia.

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Speaker 8: They don't have a roster advantage. Yeah, the defense on

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Speaker 8: Philly is just so good. If Jalen Carter's back, you

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Speaker 8: got Dejene in the secondary, you got Quinjon Mitchell. I

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Speaker 8: don't I think the Eagle I just like this Eagles

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Speaker 8: team a lot. If I asked you for Super Bowl

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Speaker 8: right now and I said Eagles come out of the NFC,

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Speaker 8: you would agree or disagree.

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Speaker 1: NFC is tough. I like Seattle. I think the Rams

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Speaker 1: will get it right. I think Philadelphia is a handful.

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Speaker 1: So the problem with the Rams is they'll have to

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Speaker 1: beat I don't understand Jacksonville being a home dog. Did

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Speaker 1: people not watch the regular season? How is that possible?

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Speaker 1: That's incredible respect to Buffalo.

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Speaker 8: Trevor Lawrence just had the greatest season any Jacksonville quarterbacks

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Speaker 8: ever had by a mile. I mean he the vibes

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Speaker 8: around that team are excellent run defenses. What was Trevor

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Speaker 8: Lawrence's numbers this year? I mean he broke every record

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Speaker 8: for the frame. I think he had like thirty five

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Speaker 8: touchdowns some crazy stat where he had the most games

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Speaker 8: with three touch three or more touchdown passes. Like, Lawrence

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Speaker 8: was unstoppable. Since they added Jacobe Myers to go with

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Speaker 8: Parker Washington and the kid Brian Thomas, they got a

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Speaker 8: major aerial attack there in Jacksonville. That's a dangerous team.

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Speaker 8: And like you said, they went to Denver, didn't They

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Speaker 8: win by two touchdowns at Sean Payton and Bo Nicks.

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Speaker 8: I think it was thirty four to twenty something like that.

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Speaker 1: So what would be the most interesting for our show?

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Speaker 1: The most interesting for our show would be Jacksonville beats

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Speaker 1: Buffalo and Sean mcdermots on the hot seat. See Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin and Aaron Rodgers upset the Texans.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just saying interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got in Francisco beats Philadelphia and Nick Serry

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Speaker 1: on and he gets run. I got to see I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you the game. That's interesting. Matt Hasselbeck talked about

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Speaker 1: why Ben Johnson was so critical of his team after

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Speaker 1: the lost yesterday. Here's Matt, Matt hasselb.

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Speaker 10: If you just told this team, hey it's two minutes

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Speaker 10: or hey it's fourth quarter, like this might like the

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Speaker 10: quarterback has something that you can't necessarily coach, like a

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Speaker 10: clutch factor and in factor, but the easy stuff like

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Speaker 10: quarters one through three, like we.

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Speaker 3: Got to get better at that.

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Speaker 10: And I think that's what Ben Johnson addressed at the

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Speaker 10: podium right after the game. He was very disappointed in

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Speaker 10: the offense. He was very difficult, disappointed that they were

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Speaker 10: shut out going into the fourth quarter. So and I

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Speaker 10: think he knows that it's going to take a way

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Speaker 10: stronger effort in January in playoff football than what they've showed.

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Speaker 1: Part of me could see green Bay healthy, rested all

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Speaker 1: their starters, totally mailed it in against Minnesota, coming in

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Speaker 1: playoff experience and Chicago getting a little tight, Chicago having

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Speaker 1: you know, their offense stalls all of a sudden, green Bay,

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Speaker 1: you know, has a lead. I just don't can green

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Speaker 1: Bay the Chicago's big issues are you can drive, Chicago

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Speaker 1: gives up chunks. You can see green Bay kind of

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Speaker 1: controlling the line of scrimmage eight yards, nine yards, couple

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Speaker 1: over the top like halflee in green Bay's defense, even

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Speaker 1: without Mica, they don't have a great pass rush, but

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Speaker 1: they're very fundamentally sound. They're not going to give up

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Speaker 1: a ton of big chunk plays. Chicago. You get both

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Speaker 1: big plays and big plays surrender quick.

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Speaker 8: No, remember last week I mentioned the Bears had the

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Speaker 8: earliest buy the Bears and Packers. Week five, Packers essentially

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Speaker 8: had another bye. Last week they sat there, guys. The

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Speaker 8: Bears did not, So the Bears have been playing full

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Speaker 8: season through no buys since Week five. You wonder if

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Speaker 8: the Packers arrested and come out, hey man, we're good

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Speaker 8: to go, and they take down the Bears here, that

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Speaker 8: would be a tough one for you, mister Chicago.

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Speaker 1: No, it wouldn't. I part of me thinks, let's say

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Speaker 1: the Bears lose. I think you look at this season

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Speaker 1: and go. Caleb got cleaned up big time. Number two seed.

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Speaker 1: The acquisitions on the O line absolutely hit. And now

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Speaker 1: let's go into the draft and draft defense. They need

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Speaker 1: an edge rusher in a draft with a lot of them.

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Speaker 1: They need another corner in a draft that's got several.

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Speaker 1: So the Chicago's I was thinking about this here day.

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Speaker 1: Chicago has no needs offensively. I mean I mean none.

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Speaker 1: Stacked to tight end study. They could draft six defensive players.

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Speaker 1: They have no needs offensive They could.

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Speaker 8: Probably afford to lose or trade DJ Moore maybe or

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Speaker 8: even swift veterans, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, because I think Loveland has become like Caleb's running

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Speaker 1: mate Luther Burden had a good second half of the season.

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Speaker 3: A Dunze is going to come back.

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Speaker 1: No, Chicago could go all defense in the draft, and

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Speaker 1: probably should. We'll see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: It's the hurt