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Speaker 2: win away from going to the NBA Finals, thanks in
Speaker 2: large part to Tyre's Halliburton thirty two, fifteen and twelve rebounds. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: Quinn Buckner, the Pacers color analyst, former NBA player, joining
Speaker 2: us on the program. Quinn, great to see you again.
Speaker 2: How would you do we have him?
Speaker 3: I think we need a minute. I think we got
Speaker 3: to call it twenty for mister Buckner. He just needs Okay,
Speaker 3: we had him for a second. Then all right, we
Speaker 3: lost him?
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh I did I commit a turnover there?
Speaker 3: I think it was a not on your side? Oh okay,
Speaker 3: little technical issue. Still looking at a triple double though, yes, yeah, cool, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I can't have a triple double without a turnover here.
Speaker 3: I can't join Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 4: We got to see how they credit that in the
Speaker 4: box score there?
Speaker 2: What is the poll question for the final hour.
Speaker 4: How many MVPs will show hey Tani finish his career with?
Speaker 4: Right now, four has forty percent of that vote. It
Speaker 4: actually goes exactly in order four or five, six, and
Speaker 4: then seven with just twelve percent of that vote. And
Speaker 4: we also have up there, which team down three to
Speaker 4: one is most done? Timberwolves running away with that one,
Speaker 4: followed actually pretty closely by Hurricanes, followed pretty closely by
Speaker 4: the Knicks. People believe most in the Stars. They only
Speaker 4: have nine percent of that vote.
Speaker 3: Yes, Paul, I was thinking if anyone ever had a
Speaker 3: triple double with turnovers included, I know that would not
Speaker 3: be a positive one, but it'd still be a triple double.
Speaker 3: I wonder about the most turnovers by a player in
Speaker 3: an NBA game? Do you think it's more than ten?
Speaker 2: But is that part of your triple double? That you
Speaker 2: had points, rebounds, turnovers.
Speaker 3: It's not positive, but it counts as a triple double.
Speaker 2: Well, there was one player, was it Nate Thurman who
Speaker 2: had a quadruple double? Did he have points, rebounds.
Speaker 3: Blocks, and assistments?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 3: I think had a couple of those.
Speaker 2: Did he really?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think had two quad quad doubles. Okay, quad dubs.
Speaker 2: They would be quadruple doubles. And you had a qdum
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 3: For checking.
Speaker 2: Uh auto in Los Angeles? Hi, Otto, what's on your
Speaker 2: mind today?
Speaker 6: Hi?
Speaker 5: You doing, guys?
Speaker 7: I had to write about the NFL schedule, but I
Speaker 7: wanted to say something about the New York Knicks. About
Speaker 7: Boomer saying about the celebrities, I kind of agreed with
Speaker 7: him because Game one it looked like a freaking high
Speaker 7: school homecoming basketball game and had all the former stars there.
Speaker 7: Everybody's high five and clapping, and then they thought it
Speaker 7: was sweet and then ended up losing that game. So
Speaker 7: I think it's something to do with it. As far
Speaker 7: as the NFL. I'm a Charger season ticket holder, and
Speaker 7: the Chiefs start coming out here for the home game
Speaker 7: because they're in freaking Brazil. So do you think the
Speaker 7: NFL should be scheduling NFL Ribery Division games out of country?
Speaker 2: No? I don't, but the NFL doesn't care what we think.
Speaker 2: And you know, I brought this up when they started
Speaker 2: to do this. You know, we were gonna do more
Speaker 2: NFL games in Europe around the world, and I said,
Speaker 2: you are going the NFL will create a schedule that
Speaker 2: will be international games, an entire schedule for international games.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly what they've done. So now you can,
Speaker 2: you know, bid that out, and then you know networks
Speaker 2: are gonna spend billions of dollars on that. Quinn Buckner,
Speaker 2: Pacers TV color analyst, former NBA player, joining us on
Speaker 2: the program. Buck Good to see you. How would you
Speaker 2: describe the atmosphere last night?
Speaker 5: Very much?
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say chaotic. It was fun. It really is exciting.
Speaker 6: You know, basketball is a big part of what the
Speaker 6: state of Indiana is about. You know, it's in the
Speaker 6: ethos of the of all of the fans, and so
Speaker 6: to see the Pacers at this stage, I mean, as
Speaker 6: you know, and those at watch Reggie's there, Jermaine O'Neill
Speaker 6: is their lances there.
Speaker 5: I mean, you've got a number of the guy Danny Granger.
Speaker 6: Who had not been back came to the game and
Speaker 6: excuse me and Triple H. I'm not into wrestling, but
Speaker 6: that's a big deal for Reggie. I'm not so Reggie,
Speaker 6: but for Tyrese because Tyres is a big wrestling fan.
Speaker 6: So you got all of that going and John Mellencamp.
Speaker 6: It was it was a lot of fun, just a
Speaker 6: lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Much more iconic Reggie's choke to Spike Lee or Tyrese
Speaker 2: Halliburton recreated that choke.
Speaker 6: Well, the fact that he recreated it is pretty creative
Speaker 6: on his part, but well it's not creative, but it's
Speaker 6: something that he wanted to do. But I have to
Speaker 6: say Reggie's is by far the most iconic. I don't
Speaker 6: think there's any question about. First of all, that's say
Speaker 6: points nine seconds. That's a huge difference when you look
Speaker 6: at it. Even though tyrese got it going, could have
Speaker 6: moved that footback and make the shot.
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you what this is. This kid is.
Speaker 6: He's not a kid, he's a young man, but he
Speaker 6: really gets what winning basketball is about, and it's it's
Speaker 6: important for him to share it with his teammates. And
Speaker 6: that's one of the reasons why this team can run,
Speaker 6: because guys will run if you know you're gonna get
Speaker 6: the ball, and he will throw the ball to you.
Speaker 6: And he does it very uniquely. He even admitted he's
Speaker 6: one of the few guys in the league that does
Speaker 6: a lot of jump passes, which for many of the
Speaker 6: older generation understand that was something that was taboo. But
Speaker 6: he has the ability to find a pathway to deliver
Speaker 6: his teammates the ball. And equally important, his teammates understand
Speaker 6: if he gets in the air, you gotta get open
Speaker 6: because you don't want him to travel with it, so
Speaker 6: they make an effort to give him the space and
Speaker 6: then from there it's knocking down the shot.
Speaker 2: He's got swagger, but he's likable, like he doesn't have
Speaker 2: that you know where you don't like him because he's
Speaker 2: so cocky.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, typical view. That's a great observation. You're very observant. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he really does. And that's why he can play with
Speaker 6: his teammates and they're not jealous because he's not trying
Speaker 6: to take the limelight and carry it for himself off.
Speaker 6: It really is his pride in how he plays and
Speaker 6: plays for his team and plays for the guys. He's
Speaker 6: big on his guys. As a human being. When you're
Speaker 6: around it, he lights up a room. He wants to
Speaker 6: make sure everybody is comfortable. All those kinds of things
Speaker 6: that you like about human being. He makes sure he
Speaker 6: engages you everybody, and I mean top to bottom. Pardon me,
Speaker 6: including those if you will, because I've always watched guys
Speaker 6: to try to see how they treat if you will,
Speaker 6: the back office, the back room, how do you treat
Speaker 6: people there? This guy is the same with everyone. And
Speaker 6: when he gets on the court, you know, guys, I
Speaker 6: have to understand. He's just a really good guy. It
Speaker 6: just happened to be one heck of a basketball player.
Speaker 2: Can the Knicks come back?
Speaker 5: Can is a word that you can use on it
Speaker 5: at any time.
Speaker 6: I think the pace is are hard for the Knicks
Speaker 6: to play against because the Knicks are more of.
Speaker 5: Their slower paced team, which is typical.
Speaker 6: This is what's unusual about this to me and maybe
Speaker 6: you because you watched the sports Mini sports, but this one.
Speaker 6: The game typically slows down in the playoffs, and the
Speaker 6: further you go, as I was fortunate enough to do
Speaker 6: with the Celtics and others, the further you go up
Speaker 6: that ladder, the more it slows down. The Pacers have
Speaker 6: managed to maintain their pace for the most part the
Speaker 6: game they lost. They lost the pace at the end
Speaker 6: of I think it was the first half, in the
Speaker 6: beginning of the third quarter, and it caused them a problem.
Speaker 6: With this kind of pace, it's going to make it very,
Speaker 6: very difficult. But you know, can is a word, but
Speaker 6: I don't know it's gonna really.
Speaker 2: He's Queen Buckner, the Pacers TV color analyst. You were
Speaker 2: prominently featured in the Celtics documentary. A couple of stories
Speaker 2: stood out. When your wife wanted to know how confident
Speaker 2: Larry was going into the game seven in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she was very concerned about that, and Larry, We're
Speaker 6: gonna win, and Larry just gets out of the car
Speaker 6: like we all do. Get out of the car. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and just keeps walking. I mean he did. He just
Speaker 6: kept walking, and my wife, I think, felt better about
Speaker 6: the whole situation. But that that is Larry, yesterday, today,
Speaker 6: and tomorrow. He is the ultimate confident guy. But Larry
Speaker 6: looks at it. He's just playing a basketball game. He
Speaker 6: never looked at it like I said, you know, he
Speaker 6: knows this seventh game, but he just does that.
Speaker 5: But he also had that ability.
Speaker 6: To I think, maintain that that presence, that that that
Speaker 6: confidence because he knows it helps his teammates.
Speaker 2: Also, you were there in New Orleans when Larry, when
Speaker 2: Larry went off against the Hawks, and.
Speaker 6: To Dan, it was one of the most I've been
Speaker 6: been blessed to be around the sport for many years,
Speaker 6: and I'm gonna say more than four decades, I have never.
Speaker 5: Seen anything like it.
Speaker 6: It was one of the great athletic perform great performances.
Speaker 6: I don't go to plays or anything like that, but
Speaker 6: he did it. He did it simply. And when I
Speaker 6: see Dominique over there, guys on the bench giving each
Speaker 6: other five because he's taken a shot, He's got no
Speaker 6: business taken He's got guys draped on him, and he
Speaker 6: makes it and just runs down like he's breathing. You know,
Speaker 6: he's just breathing. It's just the next shot. But the
Speaker 6: proverbials on. He was there, and you know, the blessing
Speaker 6: for me quite frankly, and I'm a little selfish in
Speaker 6: this thought because I was there to witness it. But
Speaker 6: I'm telling you it was one of the great performances
Speaker 6: I have ever seen. And I happen to be blessed
Speaker 6: enough to be around the Bulls in the nineties, but
Speaker 6: this was something that was just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: But you played with Larry, you're good friends with Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: Can you compare and contrast their competitiveness.
Speaker 5: Oh, they were equally competitive.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you can really say one is
Speaker 6: more competitive than the other.
Speaker 5: I only think about when.
Speaker 6: People ask that question, and they don't often because I
Speaker 6: don't want I don't really delve into it. Larry, and
Speaker 6: for those who you were religious, don't don't don't take
Speaker 6: this the wrong way. Michael got sixty three on the Bulls,
Speaker 6: I mean on the on the Celtics in the playoffs,
Speaker 6: and Larry had somebody asked him about Michael Jordan, he said, well,
Speaker 6: Michael Jordan's a basketball players like he basically said he
Speaker 6: was God.
Speaker 5: Larry had never seen anything like this. Larry enjoys winning.
Speaker 6: They both are very very They're smart as all get out.
Speaker 6: They read people at a high level. But getting those
Speaker 6: two and this is this is one of those two
Speaker 6: death kind of things. You get those two against each
Speaker 6: other is to the death of both of them, not
Speaker 6: one of them, to both of them, because that's how
Speaker 6: competitive they are.
Speaker 2: Today's NBA. If you could tweak I'll give you, I'll
Speaker 2: let you be commissioner for a day. You can tweak
Speaker 2: one thing or change one thing. What would you do?
Speaker 6: That's an interesting question. I'm not sure I would. I
Speaker 6: played in the air that was much more physical. Uh,
Speaker 6: these guys are supremely more talented than those generation is
Speaker 6: in the eighties and the nineties. The three point shooting,
Speaker 6: I think is going to it will taper to the
Speaker 6: degree that you have more capable player shooting. Some teams
Speaker 6: have guys shoot the ball, some people have shooters, and
Speaker 6: some people have makers.
Speaker 5: Okay, there'll be more less people.
Speaker 6: Shooting the ball that can't make it, and I think
Speaker 6: that will make the game not probably even more interesting,
Speaker 6: but I just like the evolution of the game and
Speaker 6: how how it's grown. Dan I did not take to
Speaker 6: it quite frankly when it first sappened. Dick Vitel, the
Speaker 6: great vict Dick Vitel, I think you work with him,
Speaker 6: so you know, Dick, he was on this from the
Speaker 6: very beginning and thought it would change the game. I
Speaker 6: think it's more exciting for fans. I think the players
Speaker 6: are are much more excited about it and like to
Speaker 6: do it. But there's some guys, you know, you just
Speaker 6: you want to just shoot it because they're not going
Speaker 6: to make it. So there's not anything necessarily that I
Speaker 6: would change from the game. I'm you know, I'm sure
Speaker 6: I had and his crew. He's spending many hours on that.
Speaker 2: I don't anybody compared to Steph Curry that you saw
Speaker 2: no prior to No No, no No.
Speaker 6: And I got to give Mark Jackson credit when he
Speaker 6: and I remember him saying this, Mark played for the
Speaker 6: Pacers for those of you who don't know, and it
Speaker 6: was a great guard from New York.
Speaker 5: He said when he got him, he said.
Speaker 6: These are the two best shooting heat guards maybe in
Speaker 6: the history of basketball. Steph is so unusual because Steph
Speaker 6: can't get his and he is never he's in terrific shape,
Speaker 6: which I think is a factor. Quite frankly, as we
Speaker 6: talk about New York and the Pacers play can't get it,
Speaker 6: but if he get it, he's gonna make it. He
Speaker 6: played against the Pacers one game and I'm not proud
Speaker 6: of this, and I don't think anybody in the organization is.
Speaker 6: He got sixty points and twenty nine minutes on eleven dribbles,
Speaker 6: and it was It was an unbelievable performance. Now Steph's
Speaker 6: gonna take more dribbles than that, but he's capable of
Speaker 6: doing that on it.
Speaker 5: I mean at that time, on any game of the night. Obviously,
Speaker 5: you move into your.
Speaker 6: Thirties, you're not There's nobody that ever compared to what
Speaker 6: Steph does because most guys are shooting, were shooters in
Speaker 6: earlier times, but they didn't have the ball handling skills
Speaker 6: quite as effective as he does.
Speaker 2: There's going to come a day where Larry Bird's not
Speaker 2: one of the top ten players of all time.
Speaker 5: I don't know about that. I don't know about that one.
Speaker 6: Dan. I am telling you that Larry is is. There's
Speaker 6: a uniqueness about him. But I tell you who is comparable.
Speaker 6: And Larry said, there's only one guy he watches flight.
Speaker 6: It's Jokis, And if you look at him, the difference
Speaker 6: is Yokich is longer, but that's about it.
Speaker 5: And longer and that's not about it. He's taller.
Speaker 6: They play and whatever talent they have on their team,
Speaker 6: those guys play at a higher level for having played
Speaker 6: with Larry. I knew it because I did and I
Speaker 6: watched Yokis do that. But getting Larry out of the
Speaker 6: top ten, now you're not gonna I may be biased,
Speaker 6: but I don't think so. I just think if you
Speaker 6: look at pure basketball players, Larry bird is as pure
Speaker 6: basketball players, you're ever gonna.
Speaker 5: Find nothing he could not do.
Speaker 6: You know, can't jump, can't run, beat you get your
Speaker 6: triple double, the whole nine yards.
Speaker 5: No, Larry's staying in the top ten.
Speaker 2: If it ends up Pacers and Oka See, how does
Speaker 2: Indiana win?
Speaker 6: The benches got to be really good because okay See
Speaker 6: plays ten to eleven players and they all contribute. And
Speaker 6: this is what I think is for me what I
Speaker 6: enjoyed watching. In terms of the coaching, Rick has done
Speaker 6: a terrific job and you can go you know nine,
Speaker 6: he has gone ten and you get some really good performance.
Speaker 6: Oka See has eleven guys that they may throw out there.
Speaker 6: Everybody may have a specialty, but they star in their roles.
Speaker 6: The others have to star in their roles on the Pacers.
Speaker 6: I think Matherin's consistency off the bench. He had twenty
Speaker 6: last night, but he struggled for the previous games. That's
Speaker 6: got to have some concert and see fifteen to eighteen
Speaker 6: points a game, and you're going to have to get
Speaker 6: a lot more out of top and all of that,
Speaker 6: because okay See can score the ball, but they're the
Speaker 6: best defensive they may be the best defensive team. Well,
Speaker 6: I think left they really challenge you and they can
Speaker 6: run with you and get back in transition.
Speaker 5: It is. It would be a very difficult series.
Speaker 2: Thanks for holding up your golf game. I'm sure you're
Speaker 2: headed to the golf course, right.
Speaker 5: You called it all right, I appreciate it. That always
Speaker 5: good to tell you.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Buck that's Quinn Buckner, Pacers TV color analyst,
Speaker 2: former NBA player. We'll take a break. We got an
Speaker 2: NBA quiz coming up. Also another NFL game coming up
Speaker 2: to play. We're back after this Dan Patrick show.
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Speaker 2: with the Thunder in Okase sing Time to play a
Speaker 2: quick NBA game. Paulie is your host. Do we have
Speaker 2: some music here, Marvin?
Speaker 3: Course, of course, game show music for you. That which
Speaker 3: NBA player had the most turnovers in a single game
Speaker 3: in NBA history And how many did that person have?
Speaker 3: And would anyone like a hint? Yeah, it happened in
Speaker 3: the last within the last twenty five years.
Speaker 2: What position did they play?
Speaker 3: He was a point guard?
Speaker 2: Okay, what's a point guard?
Speaker 3: Was a point guard?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: See, I shall guess was a Russell Westbrook type. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because they're like ball dominant, they need the ball a
Speaker 4: lot and they get a lot of minutes, they would
Speaker 4: be in a position to turn the ball over many,
Speaker 4: many times.
Speaker 3: Yes, that is incorrect. However, I'm gonna give you two
Speaker 3: bonus points because Russell Westbrook had eleven turnovers three different
Speaker 3: times in his career.
Speaker 10: That's pretty high.
Speaker 3: But he did not. I'm going to go James Harden
Speaker 3: another good guess. You're getting a couple bonus points. James
Speaker 3: Harden had twelve turnovers one time in his career, and
Speaker 3: that's third all time. Here's a little fun part of
Speaker 3: the game. The guys who are in second and third
Speaker 3: are a small forward and a power forward. One Is
Speaker 3: Giannis had twelve turnovers in a game three years ago,
Speaker 3: and Chris Mullen, the great forward guard, had thirteen turnovers
Speaker 3: in a game back in eighty eight. That's not the record.
Speaker 2: Holder, Molly, that's not the record holder.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 2: Yes, Marvin Paul you said was a point guard.
Speaker 3: When he played, he was a point guard. He no
Speaker 3: longer plays. He didn't switch positions.
Speaker 10: Jason Kidd.
Speaker 3: Jason Kidd is correct, nicely done. Jason Kidd had fourteen
Speaker 3: turnovers on November seventeenth, twenty twenty. Here's the bonus we
Speaker 3: talked about quad dubs quadruple doubles. Yeah, Jason Kidd had
Speaker 3: a quadruple double that night. Eighteen points, twelve rebounds, and
Speaker 3: ten assists and fourteen turnovers. The unlikely quad dub bonus
Speaker 3: coverage rated. Who else had quad dubs in NBA history?
Speaker 3: There are four gentlemen who had quad dubs. Here's a hint.
Speaker 3: They all happened between nineteen seventy four and nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 2: A chema LOA, that's correct. Did he do it twice?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 2: Does that take care of two of the four?
Speaker 3: Takes care of four different gentlemen?
Speaker 2: Oh? Four different players?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 2: Is for some reason? I think Nate Thurman is in
Speaker 2: there for some reason.
Speaker 3: You're correct. Wow, he's the first person to do it
Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 2: All right, okay, Mark.
Speaker 10: David Robinson.
Speaker 3: David Robinson is correct. Thirty four points, ten rebounds, TENNISI
Speaker 3: is ten blocks in nineteen ninety four. Here's the toughie.
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty six. This gentleman did it with twenty points,
Speaker 3: eleven rebounds, tennisis and ten steals. He was known as
Speaker 3: a temperamental player and a very good all around player.
Speaker 2: Yes, Warvin, Alvin Robertson.
Speaker 3: Alvin Robertson is correct.
Speaker 6: Come on.
Speaker 3: Here, get out of here?
Speaker 5: Are you?
Speaker 2: Are you looking? Are you looking at it?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 3: Come on, don't. Marvin doesn't cheat. I've seen him do
Speaker 3: a lot of good answers here and he does not cheat.
Speaker 2: Are you saying there's somebody who does cheat? No? No, okay.
Speaker 2: It just felt like Marvin was on an island that
Speaker 2: he doesn't cheat.
Speaker 3: So Jason Kidd, who we just had on the show,
Speaker 3: is he in the quad dub League?
Speaker 2: I should have brought up the quad dubbed claud Yeah,
Speaker 2: Patrick in Indianapolis, Hi, Patrick, what's on your mind?
Speaker 5: First time? Longtime?
Speaker 10: Six for one seive.
Speaker 11: So about two years ago, I was watching part of
Speaker 11: the interruption and Mike Wilbond was talking about how he
Speaker 11: was just.
Speaker 5: Speaking with Quinn Buckner.
Speaker 11: I'm a police officer, and the very next day I
Speaker 11: had an interaction with the man, no fault of his own,
Speaker 11: he did nothing wrong, but I thought I recognized him,
Speaker 11: so I asked him his name and it was mister Buckner.
Speaker 11: I was starstruck and I told him it was nice
Speaker 11: to meet him, and how I feel like I'm friends
Speaker 11: with Mike Wilbon and Quinn Buckner even though they have
Speaker 11: no idea who I am.
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking Micoll, Thank you, officer. Yeah, by proxy,
Speaker 2: I'm friends because your friends. And now I'm friends with
Speaker 2: Michael Viilba Wilbin. Are we going to play the NFL
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame game?
Speaker 3: Well, this is a kind of I was thinking about
Speaker 3: this with Kirk Cousins. He's at two hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: eight career touchdown passes. That's pretty high level stuff. He's
Speaker 3: eighteenth all time. Let's say he gets another shot with
Speaker 3: another team, it finishes in the three to twenty range.
Speaker 2: No, you'd have to win a super Bowl, right, But
Speaker 2: who is the Statistically he's not getting in. But if
Speaker 2: he wins, if he wins the Super Bowl, then I
Speaker 2: could say, okay, maybe, okay.
Speaker 3: The question out this list is I have the list
Speaker 3: of the most touchdown passes in history. Which quarterback is
Speaker 3: not getting in that has more than three hundred touchdowns?
Speaker 3: I'll throw out a name. Philip Rivers has four order
Speaker 3: in twenty one touchdowns it seems.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy to say with four hundred touchdown
Speaker 2: passes he's sixth all time, probably not getting in maybe
Speaker 2: like a Veteran's committee or something. Down the never appeared in.
Speaker 3: A super Bowl. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, in his playoff record was pretty medium. That's creezy.
Speaker 3: Okay, This Ben Roethlisberger, He's obviously going in, right, four
Speaker 3: hundred and eighteen. Matt Ryan is ninth all time with
Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty one touchdowns. He has an MVP
Speaker 3: and a Super Bowl lost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I would think
Speaker 2: with the MVP that that might be enough. You know,
Speaker 2: like Cam Newton, he's not up there on the passing
Speaker 2: touchdown list. But when an MVP went to a Super
Speaker 2: Bowl as well and lost in dramatic fashion, when oh
Speaker 2: it wasn't dramatic, it was over quickly, less than dramatic.
Speaker 2: Yess poem.
Speaker 3: Can you believe that Philip River and Matt Ryan shouldn't
Speaker 3: get in the Hall of Fame but also think that
Speaker 3: they will?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3: All right, here's the next one. This is a tough year, okay.
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson's twelve fall ten time with three hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty touchdown passes and counting. He's ahead of guys like
Speaker 3: John Elway, Johnny Uniteds, Warn Moon, Joe Montana, Dan FOUPs, cheepers, creepers,
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty counting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the game change, the game changed. Okay, you can't.
Speaker 2: You can't look at numbers from the seventies and sixties.
Speaker 2: They just they didn't throw the ball fifty times.
Speaker 3: Oh man, let's say he doesn't add any more significant work.
Speaker 3: He just starts another year or two in the NFL.
Speaker 3: Oh god, it's a random Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Well, he's playing himself out of soup the Hall of
Speaker 2: Fame contention. And you go back to that Super Bowl
Speaker 2: and if he wins that, then you know there's because
Speaker 2: he has a better career than Eli, and they would
Speaker 2: go in with two Super Bowl wins. But Rogers is
Speaker 2: going to go rather have who would you rather? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but his his statistics are like mind boggling touchdown interception ratio?
Speaker 2: Who would you rather have in a big game? Eli
Speaker 2: Manning or Russell Wilson in a Super Bowl? Who do
Speaker 2: you want? Paul Russell Todd?
Speaker 12: What do it take? Eli?
Speaker 2: See, I'm good with Russ Marvin Russ. I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: Russ too. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Russ has three hundred and fifty touchdown passes only one
Speaker 3: hundred and eleven interceptions.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, I hate to say, but like Russ, he
Speaker 4: did good enough to win that game. I know it
Speaker 4: ended on an interception, but I don't that interception really
Speaker 4: wasn't his fault. It was just an amazing play. And
Speaker 4: everybody and their brother knows. Hand the ball off and
Speaker 4: you win the game.
Speaker 2: Still or run a run pass option. Yeah, then then
Speaker 2: you decide if you're gonna throw it, you're gonna be
Speaker 2: able to throw it away, and maybe you were able
Speaker 2: to run it in, give the ball to marsha On
Speaker 2: and you win the game. Stand Yeah, yeah, Poe.
Speaker 3: So we probably think that Rivers Matt, Ryan and Russell
Speaker 3: will go in. Should is a different topic. The Kirk
Speaker 3: Cousins with two hundred and eighty eight touchdowns. He'll be
Speaker 3: in the threes someday. Carson Palmer has two hundred and
Speaker 3: ninety four career touchdown passes fifteenth all the time. He's
Speaker 3: not going anything.
Speaker 2: No, but these numbers are gonna be hollow because in
Speaker 2: the next ten years, the number of quarterbacks you know
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, what's he gonna end up with? I mean,
Speaker 2: just run down the list of what guys are gonna
Speaker 2: end up, you know with their touchdown pass total. You know,
Speaker 2: everybody's gonna get to used to be three hundred. I
Speaker 2: think three to ten was fran Tarkington's record, and it
Speaker 2: was there for a long long time. They just blew
Speaker 2: right by that, and I think it if you don't
Speaker 2: get to three hundred, we're gonna look at you and go, man,
Speaker 2: you pedestrian. Or but get a couple more phone calls
Speaker 2: in here, Zach and Knoxville. Hi, Zach, what's on your mind?
Speaker 11: HIIDP, thanks for taking my call. You can go back
Speaker 11: in time and accomplish one of the two things, dropping
Speaker 11: forty or the sports Emmy.
Speaker 13: I'll hang up and listen, all right.
Speaker 2: I take the sports semi because that's a team effort.
Speaker 2: If I'm putting up forty, that's just me. I mean,
Speaker 2: somebody might have to rebound or set a pick, but
Speaker 2: no sports emmy. No, these guys need it. They desperately
Speaker 2: want that sports Emmy, and I if it's the last
Speaker 2: thing I do, I'm going to get them that sports semi.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, Todd, Thank you, thank you. Didn't mean to
Speaker 2: wake you up. Adam in Chicago, Hi, Adam, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind today?
Speaker 5: Hey Dan?
Speaker 13: Thanks for telling me back fellows. Happy Wednesday. I've got
Speaker 13: a loss on the Hall of Very Good and I'm
Speaker 13: moving into Stephen Jackson's Brothers Hall of Fame. I'm six
Speaker 13: foot three, white in al Dente, but I'd like to
Speaker 13: announce my eligibility for the Brothers Hall of Fame because
Speaker 13: I just want to see you at that table. And
Speaker 13: quick little trivia for you, Stanley Cup. Time going on here?
Speaker 13: What two brothers have the most points in the NHL combined?
Speaker 2: Gretzky brothers, Meek Adic, Well, it's soimilar to what brothers
Speaker 2: have the most combined home runs in Major League Baseball?
Speaker 2: And it's the Aaron bros So Justin in Austin, Hi, Justin?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 14: Hey Danny? How you doing? Thanks for having me so listen.
Speaker 14: I grew up in New York for thirty years. I
Speaker 14: have to defend my boy Boomer. There's a big difference
Speaker 14: in New York crowds and LA crowds. All right. First off,
Speaker 14: the fans and mostly blue collar and grew up with
Speaker 14: the team in New York, winning and losing, so the
Speaker 14: passion and pressure is really know the game. New York
Speaker 14: celebs are almost all from NYC. They all grew up
Speaker 14: there as well, watching the team, so that's extra pressure
Speaker 14: when you play in front of people that know the game.
Speaker 14: LA celebs do not know basketball for the most part.
Speaker 14: None of them are from LA, and all their best fans,
Speaker 14: Denzel Jack, they're from New York anyway, so it's all
Speaker 14: fake in LA.
Speaker 2: All right, I thank you, Justin. I can't imagine now
Speaker 2: if you're saying, because of the celebrities who are there
Speaker 2: at the Garden that the Knicks don't play well, not
Speaker 2: once the game starts. You're not worried about what's going
Speaker 2: on around you, And here I am, you know, trumpeting
Speaker 2: just how great Jalen Brunson is in the spotlight. So
Speaker 2: you know you can't have it both ways. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know he's a big time and you know they he
Speaker 2: plays big and then all, oh man, these guys say,
Speaker 2: you know the atmosphere. Now I understand the atmosphere, but
Speaker 2: they're all on your side when the atmosphere is you're
Speaker 2: on the road, when you're the Lakers and you go
Speaker 2: into the Boston Garden and Magic gets the skyhook to
Speaker 2: win the championship. That's pressure. That's in a an environment
Speaker 2: that is hostile, not where you know, you're playing in
Speaker 2: front of your own crowd, and boy, they they want
Speaker 2: us to win so badly. Try to do that championship
Speaker 2: on the road. And you know that's whenever I think
Speaker 2: of Magic and they say, what's one play that stands out,
Speaker 2: it's that play he had a skyhook over Kevin McHale
Speaker 2: and Robert Parrish and won a championship. That's pressure. Not
Speaker 2: going into your own building and then you're surrounded by
Speaker 2: friendly fire and I get that, you know, the expectation
Speaker 2: level is pretty crazy there in New York. But the Garden,
Speaker 2: I mean I can still feel the Garden that day
Speaker 2: and you're thinking they are going to he may have
Speaker 2: just won the championship and then Bird got loose in
Speaker 2: the corner, should have hit a jumper, and you know
Speaker 2: Boston ended up losing. That's pressure. That's pressure for both teams,
Speaker 2: but more on the Lakers to try to do it
Speaker 2: in the Boston Garden.
Speaker 3: The mpone, I want to go back to what you
Speaker 3: said with Quinn Buckner about Larry Bird falling out of
Speaker 3: that top ten, and you're probably right over the course
Speaker 3: the next one thirty years with Birds back injury. But
Speaker 3: like you've said, we've said before, Magic and Bird are
Speaker 3: tied together and their rank on the list doesn't matter
Speaker 3: because it's like contributions to the game. They're top three
Speaker 3: as a pair. You know, if you put them together,
Speaker 3: what they did for the NBA, they're linked together and
Speaker 3: they'll never be separated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do like that, And we have suggested
Speaker 2: that that, you know, Magic and Larry, Larry and Magic,
Speaker 2: but you know, you got guys who were doing some things,
Speaker 2: you know, just Joker eventually moving Imagine Joker gets another MVP.
Speaker 2: Larry had three, but let's say he gets another one.
Speaker 2: Does he move into the top ten? Is is Steph
Speaker 2: Curry in the top ten? Greatest shooter of all time?
Speaker 2: Got four titles unanimous MVP? Is Kevin Durant going to
Speaker 2: go in there? So I just I think you as
Speaker 2: much as we like to hold on to those players,
Speaker 2: there's a couple of players who just aren't going to
Speaker 2: to stay in the top ten. I don't think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Pauline, Larry Bird had a nine year run his
Speaker 3: first nine years where he finished first, second, or third
Speaker 3: for MVP.
Speaker 2: Well, I can pick out a nine. I can pick
Speaker 2: out Larry's best run and Lebron's best run, and I'll
Speaker 2: take Larry. Lebron's a better player, you know, for a
Speaker 2: variety of reasons. You know, if I look at longevity
Speaker 2: and you know everything he did in the game. But
Speaker 2: if you say, here's a window, and if I give you,
Speaker 2: I'd say, all the players, I give you a five
Speaker 2: year window, six year window, and you take the best
Speaker 2: six years. Now got to be consecutive, the best six
Speaker 2: year run. With these players in the top ten, I'd
Speaker 2: be curious how we would rank those players. Would we
Speaker 2: rank them much differently or would somebody fall out? Would
Speaker 2: somebody jump in if I looked at a six year run, Yes, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 15: Because a lot of times we're talking about longevity. But
Speaker 15: how good were you at the peak of your powers?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 15: And so eighty six Larry Bird. There might not be
Speaker 15: too many people that can touch Larry Bird in nineteen
Speaker 15: eighty six, especially that three year MVP run of his.
Speaker 10: So that's how I would go off of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Paulin, Michael Jordan had a six year run from
Speaker 3: twenty four to twenty nine where he finished he won
Speaker 3: three MVPs, finished top three every year. He was also
Speaker 3: Top five Defensive Player of the Year for six straight years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although it's weird with All Defensive team because Larry
Speaker 2: Bird made I think First Team All Defense a couple
Speaker 2: of times, and Larry was not a defensive player. He
Speaker 2: played the passing lanes. He'd get a lot of steals.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that you would go, boy that
Speaker 2: Larry is a lockdown defender because he wasn't, and he
Speaker 2: had rim protectors there behind him with McHale and Parrish
Speaker 2: and Bill Walton. But all right, let me take a
Speaker 2: break here, last call for phone calls, what we learn,
Speaker 2: what's in store tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Right after this, be sure to catch the live edition
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Speaker 2: We touched on the Colorado Rockies starting the show. They've
Speaker 2: been outscored by one hundred and seventy four runs. They're
Speaker 2: nine to forty six. That would put them on a
Speaker 2: pace to go twenty seven in one thirty five. They
Speaker 2: lost in eleven innings last night. So they dropped all
Speaker 2: eighteen series they've played in. That is this season. They've
Speaker 2: dropped twenty one consecutive series dating back to last season.
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Speaker 2: Stand Pandora, thank you. I hear that voice sometimes in
Speaker 2: my head. I wish I didn't Oh, I didn't say
Speaker 2: that I had a choice in this. You know when
Speaker 2: you hear voices, I hear voices. I hear Pandora. Stat
Speaker 2: of the day. Alrighty, so he got hockey tonight. Panthers Hurricanes,
Speaker 2: Timberwolves at the thunder Underarth. How about this day in
Speaker 2: sports history, Paul.
Speaker 3: Just a couple. Nineteen fifty one, Willie Mays hit his
Speaker 3: first home run. It was his first time at bat
Speaker 3: in the Major League.
Speaker 10: That's cool.
Speaker 3: Nineteen fifty six, Day Long became the first to hit
Speaker 3: home runs in eight consecutive baseball games. Ooh tough one.
Speaker 3: Nineteen fifty seven, the National League allowed the Brooklyn Dodgers
Speaker 3: to move to Los Angeles, New York Giants to move
Speaker 3: to San Francisco. Simultaneously, dang last last me, Fritzy. That
Speaker 3: would have been a big show the next day for
Speaker 3: US reaction to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Giants moving to San Francisco didn't receive
Speaker 2: anywhere near the fanfare of the Dodgers out of Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: Losing two franchises in the day, that's a tough day
Speaker 3: to Toughy A nineteen sixty two Wide World of Sports
Speaker 3: with Chris Shankle premiere, That's awesome and another Toughy two
Speaker 3: thousand and six. Barry Bonds of the Giants hit home
Speaker 3: run seven fifteen. You know what that meant?
Speaker 2: Speaking of Barry Bonds, nineteen ninety eight, Buck Showwalter intentionally
Speaker 2: walks Barry Bonds with the bases loaded. So there's two outs,
Speaker 2: bases loaded, ninth inning and his team is up eight
Speaker 2: to six. Buck Showwalter of the Diamondbacks walks Barry Bonds,
Speaker 2: Brent Maine comes to the plate and then lines out
Speaker 2: to end the game. I mean, here's the thing. They
Speaker 2: won the game, so I guess you could say Buck
Speaker 2: had the right call. Also, this one, I think I
Speaker 2: have his name right, Rob mccoveac. He played with the Pirates.
Speaker 2: His wife is in the hospital and she's getting ready
Speaker 2: to give Burt to their first child. He hits a
Speaker 2: walk off grand Slam in the first game of a doubleheader,
Speaker 2: then hits a game tying two run homer in the
Speaker 2: night cap with the Pirates to go, went on to win.
Speaker 2: So on the birth of it, so that that child
Speaker 2: is twenty one years of age. Right now, all right,
Speaker 2: let me see update the final results of the poll
Speaker 2: question if you can see no counter. Yep, we got
Speaker 2: two of them working right now. We have up there
Speaker 2: how many MVPs will Altani finish his career with? Right now,
Speaker 2: four has about forty percent of that vote.
Speaker 4: Followed by five, then six, then seven. We also have
Speaker 4: which team down three to one is most done? Sorry Minnesota,
Speaker 4: but the Timberwolves are most done.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's not about that. I can see that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: eight and a half point underdogs, and okay, see I
Speaker 2: wonder since Minnesota could have won that game they only
Speaker 2: lost by two points. Can you have the same philosophy
Speaker 2: if you're okay c with ant Man, and that is,
Speaker 2: let everybody else try to beat you, or do you
Speaker 2: all of a sudden go you know what, Maybe maybe
Speaker 2: we decide that we'll take our chances with ant Man
Speaker 2: going off. I mean, lou Georg's going to be gardening,
Speaker 2: but he's gonna get a whole lot of help when
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards gets by.
Speaker 10: Yes, marm, I don't overthink it. It's been working. Keep
Speaker 10: it up.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Martina.
Speaker 10: Yeah, oh, you asked the question.
Speaker 2: I answered, Oh, I know, okay, it was a rhetorical question.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what that means, Todd, right.
Speaker 12: Rhetorical questions, but you already know the answer to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you're asking anyway, but you'd kind of know the
Speaker 12: answer by yourself without getting help from others.
Speaker 3: So since you asked Todd what a rhetorical question is,
Speaker 3: he should have not answered.
Speaker 2: It because it's rhetorical.
Speaker 12: There was no need for me to even respond there.
Speaker 12: I see what you did. Very nice.
Speaker 2: How is your day today? I think I had a
Speaker 2: good day. Okay, I don't know what happened before.
Speaker 12: You accuse me of falling asleep? He said, sorry about that.
Speaker 12: Help you help win the sports on me? And I
Speaker 12: didn't have a I didn't have anything clever to say.
Speaker 12: We you said, I hope we all get those sports
Speaker 12: on me?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you just uh, I don't know you
Speaker 2: just didn't have your usual interngy. That's all.
Speaker 3: It's there.
Speaker 10: It's latent, okay, what is late got of hidden?
Speaker 12: It comes out when you at least expected. It's not fun.
Speaker 12: If you're expecting it, you're expect me to tell you
Speaker 12: what we learned today?
Speaker 2: What did you learn today?
Speaker 12: To Stephen Jackson never got rattled by the pressure of
Speaker 12: big crabs and celebs and attendance. In fact, he makes
Speaker 12: love to pressure.
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