1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Day Baker a podcast. Good morning, 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: It's Monday, the twenty seventh of July. I'm Caroline Hepka 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 2: in London and I'm Stephen Caroline Brussels. Coming up today. 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand people are forced from their homes as 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: firefighters battle out of control wildfires in Spain and France. 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Oil prices slump as the US and Von Pool's hostilities, 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: raising hopes for safe passage through the Strait of Homuz. 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: European markets gear up for the busiest week of the 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: earning season, with big carmakers, banks and consumer names reporting. 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: Plus why palant is growing infamy in Europe is opening 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: doors for an obscure French challenger. Let's start with a 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: Firefighters in France and Spain are preparing for a sixth 15 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: day battling wildfires as hotter weather threatens to fuel the blazers. 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: More than three hundred thousand people have been evacuated from 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: the areas affected, with French authorities warning and uncontrolled fire 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: is heading towards the city of Bordeaux. These people have 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: been sheltering in an exhibition hall in the area. 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 3: The police arrived and told us we had to go 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 3: with them. It brought us to stay here for a 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 3: few days. 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 4: We don't know how long. 24 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 2: Yes, we're worried because the fire isn't stopping. People tell 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 2: us one thing and then another. 26 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: We don't know. 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: There's no information, so we're waiting. 28 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: What else can we do. Blaze has become so unpredictable 29 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: that officials say it's creating its own weather system. Local 30 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: officials this morning say the fire has remained largely stable. Overnight. 31 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: In Spain, the country's biggest wildfire on record has burned 32 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: around fifty thousand hectares south of Madrid. Spanish Prime Minister 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: Pedro Sanchez says they are still challenging hours ahead. 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: The little scale of disaster we're experiencing once again in 35 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 4: our country is sadly very difficult to comprehend. Yesterday we 36 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 4: reported one hundred and thirty thousand hectares had been affected 37 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 4: and burned so far. Thank got today that figure has 38 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 4: already risen to more than one hundred and fifty zero hectares. 39 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: Pedro Sanchez, speaking via translator, as more than fifteen hundred 40 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: soldiers were deployed to help firefighters, while dozens of roads 41 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: have been closed where castors say. Temperatures are set to 42 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: rise again this week, raising fears the fires could spread 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: even further. 44 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: Oil price is slumped after the US pause strikes against Iran, 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 2: halting a thirteen day bombing campaign that had rattled energy markets. 46 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: Iran says it's also suspended retaliatory attacks, while officials from 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: Tehran and Oman have assumed talks aimed at restoring shipping 48 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: through the Strait of Hormuz. The News briefly pushed breakthrough 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: below ninety dollars about but speaking to NBC's Meet the Press, 50 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: US Ambassador to the United Nations Mike Waltz insisted that 51 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: President Trump had not totally ruled out for the military action. 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 5: The President is keeping all options on the table. I've 53 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 5: spoken with the negotiators. I've spoken with Secretary Hegseth. The 54 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 5: President is doing right now as we've seen all along, 55 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 5: is giving some talks. Some space talks are ongoing. They're 56 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 5: happening at every level, from the more technical aspect of 57 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 5: it all the way to the highest levels. 58 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: Of course. Mike Well, speaking there to NBC, despite the 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: pause in US and Iranian attacks, traffic through the Strait 60 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: of Homer's remains essentially parallelzed, while Yemen's Iran baut Houthi 61 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 2: rebels claim that they've attacked Saudi energy facilities. 62 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: The suspect in the deadly van attack on Berlin's Pride 63 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: event over the weekend has been shot dead by police. 64 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: Abdul Balas was tracked to an allotment in the German 65 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: capital yesterday evening, where he was killed after rushing towards 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: officers with a weapon. Chanceller Friedrich Merritz says the country 67 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: won't be intimidated. 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: This is poison. 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: Our freedom. 70 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: It is continuing to attack our society. Heart of politic 71 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: school differences can be set aside. We will defend the 72 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: freedom of our society. 73 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: Germany's predect Mark, speaking there through a translator. The shooting 74 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: came after a man hunt that stretch from central Berlin 75 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: to the airport and Germany's borders, with authorities publicizing Ballot's 76 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: photo and taking the unusual step of releasing his full name. 77 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: Authorities say the German citizen had links to the Islamic 78 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: State Group. 79 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: Now to Corporate News, China's biggest memory chip maker has 80 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: opened four hundred and seventy two percent higher in its 81 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: Shanghai stock market debut. The surge made CXMT China's largest 82 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 2: onshore listed company, with evaluation of around four hundred and 83 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: eighty seven billion dollars. The firm raised sixty six point 84 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: six billion you run in the country's second largest initial 85 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: public offering. Shares later climbed as much as five hundred 86 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 2: and thirty five percent above their IPO price in morning trading, 87 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 2: reflecting investors confidence in cxmt's long term prospects, despite concern 88 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: that the AI driven rally in ship stocks may be peaking. 89 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: The chief executives of some of the UK's best known 90 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: companies are demanding the tax cuts for businesses should be 91 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: top of the agenda for Andy Burnham's government. Plenbrooks Ewan 92 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: Parts has more as. 93 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 6: Andy Burnham settles in for his second week at number 94 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 6: ten Downing Street. Business leaders who've spoken to Bloomberg are 95 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 6: renewing their calls for action to drive growth. The founder 96 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 6: of food chain Leon says the government should stop taxing employments. Meanwhile, 97 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 6: the CEO of holiday parks operator Buttlin's says that Burnham 98 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 6: shouldn't forget the rest of the hospitality sector after tax 99 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 6: cuts announced for pubs. He says a VAT cut would 100 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 6: help stimulate sales regardless of the government's plans. He told 101 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 6: us that clear messaging and communications are vital, saying, quote 102 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 6: more dialogue would be great in London, I'm ewing pots 103 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 6: Bloomberg Radio. 104 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 2: And those are our top stories for you this morning. 105 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: This week, of course, we have a huge rafter earnings 106 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: out plus central bank decisions which markets will be focused on. 107 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: In terms of what's happening this morning, bring cred futures 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: are down by four point seven percent, training at ninety 109 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,119 Speaker 2: two dollars twenty seven. European natural gas prizes have also 110 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: declined sharply. We do have FED Bank of England, Bank 111 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: of Japan decisions. No change is expected, but inflation concerns 112 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 2: will surely weigh on those policy makers. Europeans futures this 113 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: morning are sharply heart up by about eight tenths of 114 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: one percent now as that future is up by one 115 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: point three percent this morning, But if you look at 116 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: the Asia session, more mixed there. The NICKEK two to 117 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: five cost b are up, but only about two tents 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: of one percent. The TAIEG struggled a little bit more, 119 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: the dollar weakening against most major currencies, ten year treasury 120 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: yields falling five basis points today to four point six 121 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: three percent, and precious metals are rallying. Those are the 122 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: markets in a moment. 123 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: More on that big week for European earnings, plus how 124 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: a French firm is emerging as a challenger to Palenteer 125 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: as European countries seek to turn away from US technology. 126 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: But first a world a word on those wild fires 127 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: in France and Spain, the situation escalating over the weekend, 128 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: both in the south of Spain and southwest of France 129 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: as well. We're watching the latest on that wildfire close 130 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: to Bordeaux as well. Largely stable, as what authorities say 131 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,239 Speaker 1: things are overnight, but eighty four firefighters have been injured 132 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: of in the efforts to try and bring that fire 133 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: under control. The concern, of course now is that the 134 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: temperatures are due to rise over the next couple of 135 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: days up to forty degrees again in the Bordeaux area, 136 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: and what that will mean for making things worse. There's 137 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: also been quite a lot of talk though about one 138 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: image that's gone around the world from those fires in 139 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: Bordeaux of the two people sitting on a beach on 140 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: their sun loungers watching the blaze from Afar. The photographer 141 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: Maximilian Lami from AFP was speaking to Nuvelab's magazine about it, 142 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: and he actually defended the couple, saying they weren't in 143 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: any danger. They couldn't really do anything else but watch 144 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: as the horror unfold, and he asked the question, would 145 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: we have acted differently if we were in their position? 146 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: Of course, being used as an illustration of inaction in 147 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: the face of climate change and provoking an awful lot 148 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: of debate as well, but an incredible image captured during 149 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: the horror really of those wildfires in that area of France. 150 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's also mensely difficult, isn't it to 151 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: deal with holiday makers. This is peak holiday you know 152 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 2: times across Europe, and so to deal with people who 153 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: are also on the move, as well as trying to 154 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: deal with these massive wildfires, it's really difficult. I mean, 155 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: in southern France, it's a lightning flashes on Saturday night 156 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 2: when I was there in Manumacos holding a crisis cabinet 157 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: meeting about what's happening in France today. I mean even 158 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 2: here in the UK. We've seen wildfires in Scotland and 159 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: we're going to have another fourth heat wave this week. 160 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: So highs just in the UK of thirty two to 161 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,239 Speaker 2: thirty three degrees and incredibly dry July. People are battling 162 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 2: these wildfires on so many fronts and they are immensely dangerous. 163 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: Yeah idea. Of course, we're keeping an eye on the 164 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: other effects of this as well, on things like paragrids 165 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: that we've talked about before and what sort of effects 166 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: higher temperatures will have. So we'll leave that story there 167 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: for the moment and turned back to some of the 168 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: big companies going to be reporting earnings in Europe this week. 169 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: It's the busiest week in fact of the European earning season. 170 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: A third of the companies on the stock six hundred reporting, 171 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: including big carmakers, banks and consumer goods giants. But what 172 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: have we learned so far from the companies that have reported. 173 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: Let's discuss with Tim Craig at Global Chief Content Officer 174 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: at Bloomberg Intelligence. Tim, good morning, good to talk to you. 175 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: You've just published your latest earnings pulse check. What does 176 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: the overall scorecard look like at this stage? About a 177 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: third of the way through. 178 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 7: Yeah, sure thing, thanks for having me on. Certainly kudos 179 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 7: to Erequity Strategy team. Speaking of France, Laurent de Lay 180 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 7: is there, and I'm sure quite concerned about the whole fire. 181 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 7: But nonetheless, what do we seeing on earning so far? 182 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 7: With about a third having reported thus at this point 183 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 7: we're tracking about twelve percent earnings growth, which is since 184 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 7: inline not a little bit better than anticipated, but I 185 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 7: would say it looks quite narrow. There's essentially three groups 186 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 7: that are pushing most of this earnings growth at this point. 187 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 7: Financials I think BNP, Unicredito Pharma with Novartis and Roche 188 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 7: both having reported, and specialty semis so ASML clearly is 189 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 7: a special case. Unlike st Micro, which didn't have such 190 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 7: a good week last week, negatives haven't necessarily been so 191 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 7: much because they've missed terribly. Industrials and energy, for example, 192 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 7: big groups okay earnings, but expectations are really high, which 193 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 7: creates a really high bar for those companies when it 194 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 7: comes to, you know, the whole sort of electric electrification story. 195 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 7: And yeah, there have been a couple of turnarounds of 196 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 7: note which have been interesting to see. Richmond Montclair Better, 197 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 7: which was quite instructive when it comes to luxury goods, 198 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 7: and SAP's cloud sales were notable because there's been a 199 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 7: lot of concern about tech spending outside of just good 200 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 7: old fashioned AI, you know, which is such a big topic. 201 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 7: So anyway, okay, so that's so far, Yeah, stop by stock. 202 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 7: What's been happening and what's the broader market impact being 203 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 7: so far? As you say, the expectations were very elevated 204 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 7: for Europe. Yeah, and I think that comes out in 205 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 7: terms of how the market hasn't has indeed reacted. If 206 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 7: we look at beats versus misses, you know, we are 207 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 7: running close to fifty percent versus thirty percent, so you 208 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 7: know it is steering towards the beat. But when you beat, 209 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 7: the average one day impact on the stock plus point 210 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 7: nine percent, so barely a move. If you miss the 211 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 7: average or the average impact is a minus three percent, 212 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 7: so it's quite skewed to the negative. That's true for sales, 213 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 7: it's true for earnings. All the more true for sales 214 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 7: and earnings when you beat or miss, as the case 215 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 7: might be. 216 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 1: What's been the tone that we've got out of management 217 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: comments on analyst calls though there's so much happening in 218 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: the world, a lot of stress and markets, not only 219 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: with the questions around the future of AI, but also 220 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: of course the situation in the mid least. 221 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, I tell you it is interesting. Whether you look 222 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 7: at the broad market right now Europe, US Global, we're 223 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 7: close to highs and you think we've had tariffs, now 224 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 7: we have tariffs again, we've had in the Middle East 225 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 7: war that has gone through another round of ratcheting up 226 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 7: in recent weeks, but management sentiment, management tone so far 227 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 7: has been quite upbeat. In fact, we have a sentiment 228 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 7: indicator on the European Equity Dashboard that Bloomberg subscribers can 229 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 7: have access to at the most positive sentiment since the 230 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 7: pandem Quite interesting AI. There's been discussions about productivity, cost efficiencies, 231 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 7: generating new revenue, all those things we would want to 232 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 7: start to hear to the degree that implementation is now 233 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 7: getting real supply chain concerns not nearly as much as 234 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 7: we had last jarning to reporting periods. So and that's 235 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 7: notwithstanding in the Middle East crisis. So is it quite 236 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 7: interesting from the standpoint of that dichotomy what we think 237 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 7: from an outside perspective versus what management are actually bringing 238 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 7: to the table. 239 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's fascinating, isn't it? AI implementation actually happening, 240 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: starting to happen. Tim, Thank you so much for your time. 241 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for being with us. Tim Craighead is Global Chief 242 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: Content obviously at Bloomberg Intelligence. Stay with us. More from 243 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Daybakeube coming up after this. 244 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: European countries are growing more skeptical of Palanteer and other 245 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: big American tech firms, giving it a secure rival the 246 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: opportunity to take over a contract for France's spy agency. 247 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: Our technology reporter Mark Bergen joins us for more on 248 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: this story. Mark, good morning. First of all, just give 249 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: us the context of this. How widespread is the turn 250 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: that we're seeing against the likes of Palenteer in Europe. 251 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 8: I'd say it's probably the most widespread of any singular 252 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 8: prominent US tech company and certainly has the most intensity. 253 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 8: So we obviously France is the spearhead here, both because 254 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 8: they were introduced to the spy agency and the Prime 255 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 8: Minister came out very publicly and criticized Palenteer, framing it 256 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 8: around digital sovereignty in the US policy decisions. We have 257 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 8: some reporting that Poland's Ministry Defense is looking for alternatives 258 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 8: to Palenteer. They're reporting the Germany and Spain are doing 259 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 8: the same. In Holland, the Defense Ministry has said that 260 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 8: they're looking to phase out Palenteer in the next two 261 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 8: to three years with the local alternative. Obviously, here in 262 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 8: the UK, there's been a lot of criticism of Talenter 263 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 8: for its large NHS contract. It also has a big 264 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 8: Ministry of Defense contract that there have been some parliamentarians 265 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 8: that have called for reevaluating that as well. 266 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yes, that's interesting, isn't this, you know, all 267 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: of that tell us about Chap's vision. Then this French 268 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: firm that won a key government contract to replace Talenteer. 269 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, not very well known, I will admit I had 270 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 8: only recently heard about them a few months back. They 271 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 8: are more similar to sort of a roll up private 272 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 8: equity strategy than your traditional startup. They've actually today acquired 273 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 8: twenty nine different companies. They kind of stitch together this 274 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 8: platform that does compete with the main Talenteer software called 275 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 8: Foundry that is essentially kind of that's meant to work 276 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 8: with disparate databases and unstructured data and give that a 277 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 8: central repository and kind of much more like for corporations 278 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 8: an intelligent way to statitut together, governments of data together, 279 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 8: and for governments an intelligent way to put in various 280 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 8: different databases. And that is what the chapscision primary offering 281 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 8: is and they've been They told us they were working 282 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 8: with the French Intelligence agency for the past five years 283 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 8: to win this contract and they have also the CEO said, 284 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 8: they are in conversations with every single European government about 285 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 8: similar work. 286 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: Is it realistic though, for European governments to replace these 287 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: big US technology firms. 288 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 8: There's certainly two sides of the argument on that. I 289 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 8: think what is most interesting about Talenteer is there seems 290 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 8: to be an argument both i'd say, in government circles 291 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 8: and even on the technologist side that it is much 292 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 8: easier to have an alternative to a technology to Talenter 293 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 8: develops than say what Nthropic and open Ay have or 294 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 8: certainly the computing giants or chip firms, right, And there 295 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 8: is the argument spans from their officials and Brussels in 296 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 8: European capitals that argue that Europe should have every part 297 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 8: of the technology stack. And then there are I think 298 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 8: certainly more of the technologists that say that it's unrealistic. 299 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 8: We need to continue to partner with American firms, but 300 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,719 Speaker 8: because of the sensitive data Thatalenteer works with, and there 301 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 8: are a lot of investors now that this is mentioned 302 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 8: in our story, that are just throwing money at these 303 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 8: Palenter alternatives that are popping up, many of them from 304 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 8: Palenter alums that are their primary pitcher is we can 305 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 8: do the exact same thing that Palenter does, and we 306 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 8: can do it from Europe. 307 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: Really a fascinating story, Mark, Thank you for bringing it 308 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: to us our technology reporter Mark Bergen. And also in 309 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 2: his story, I thought the graph and the graphic that 310 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: he showed on Palenti's sales being increasingly dominated by the 311 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 2: US is really an interesting point as well as so 312 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 2: much of this data is under so much screw to 313 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: in Europe. 314 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Bloomberg Daybreak Europe. 315 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 2: If you're enjoying the podcast, give us a follow, leave 316 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 2: a rating or review, and maybe send it to that 317 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: one friend or colleague who's always trying to keep up 318 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: with the news. 319 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: And if one podcast today isn't enough for you, you 320 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 1: can also listen to us live every weekday from six 321 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: am in London on DAB Radio, on tune in and 322 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: on the Bloomberg Business app 323 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 2: Or if you've got a smart speaker nearby, just say 324 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: play Bloomberg Radio