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Speaker 1: is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the Bear Hunting

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Speaker 1: Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into the world

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Speaker 1: of hunting, the icon of the North American wilderness prepare.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation. We will also bring

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Speaker 1: you into some of the wildest country on the planet,

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Speaker 1: chasing fair. We've never done a podcast like this, but

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Speaker 1: we've titled it Dueling Stories. I'm joined by my good

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Speaker 1: buddy Brent Reeves, and we go back and forth with stories,

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Speaker 1: but we just tell we just have some fun and

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Speaker 1: tell some of our favorite stories. Brent's a good storyteller

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Speaker 1: Foundation gott net. Dude, why did you shave your beard? Well,

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Speaker 1: as a church mouth, and he looks up at me

425
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: in the tree and points that. He goes, Oh, if

426
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it myself, I wouldn't have believed it.

427
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: And if he had told me that we got back

428
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: in the truck, Daddy I saw a dear, I would

429
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: have been like, sure, yea, but yeah, that was the

430
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: day that bar Newcom called in a dough, dear. Does

431
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: he have any recollection all that, I don't think so.

432
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 1: I've told him the story, but I don't think he

433
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: recalls that all. But let me let me while I'm

434
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: on the subject though, of catching animals, let me tell

435
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 1: another one because my kids. So my kids are oldest

436
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: is eighteen, youngest is twelve. Okay, So for the decade

437
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: and a half prior last fifteen years, I have pretty

438
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: much dedicated my life to catching animals by hand and

439
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: bringing them back to my kids for a short stint

440
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: of time. Okay, we have, we have. We have had

441
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: three pet deer. When it was legal in Arkansas. There

442
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: was a time in Arkansas where you could have up

443
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: to six wild hand caught deer. We raised three deer.

444
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: We've had multiple coons. We've had a coyote. I've caught

445
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: a beaver. I've caught a wood chuck. I've caught every

446
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: about everything you can catch, except for a skunk by hand,

447
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 1: which I had a skunk when I was a little kid.

448
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: But let me tell you the story about when I

449
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: caught the coyote. Okay, uh, we had. We It was

450
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: again a summer scouting trip and we had gone to

451
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: this farm, same farm that the deer now that I

452
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: think about it, so these stories are connected. But it

453
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: was about two or three years later, because Bear was

454
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: five years n I was sitting there talking to the

455
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: landowner and bar nuke On comes over and taps me

456
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: on the leg and says, hey, Daddy, look at this,

457
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: and he he I'm holding in my hand the nicest

458
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: stone projectile point that the Nucoms have. Um, it's about

459
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: a three and a half inch long, probably a spear point,

460
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: maybe an adeladdle point, beautiful flint bear Newcomb found that

461
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: laying on the ground in their corral and comes up

462
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: and taps me on the leg and says, hey, Daddy,

463
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: look at this. And I go, holy cow Son, that

464
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: is a beautiful stone point. And uh, anyway that happened

465
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: that day. Well, we took a four wheeler up and

466
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I was hanging a stand. Well, after we got done

467
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: hanging the stand, I just it was one of these.

468
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: It was a weird moment when I just had, like this,

469
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: this inclination to go for a little walk about for

470
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: no reason, but I was looking for something, Brent like. Literally,

471
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: the boys were at the four wheeler and I said, boys,

472
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: y'all stay here. And I hadn't left him the whole day,

473
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: and I said, Daddy's gonna go down for a little walk.

474
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm serious. It was like something drawing me into

475
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: the way. I vividly remember it. And I get about

476
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: forty yards from the four wheeler and it's thick brush

477
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: and a covey of little coyotes about seven eight week

478
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: old coyotes just flush up in front of me, like

479
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: a covey of quail busting. And I don't I guess

480
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: they were huddled up by a rock. I don't know,

481
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: but there were three kyote pups that just like just

482
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: took off right in front of me. And man, again,

483
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: I was looking for something and I was ready, and Buddy,

484
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: I took off after him. And you know, for those

485
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: of you, for those of you chased wildlife, like, the

486
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: initial moments of the chase indicate eat a lot of

487
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: what's about to happen. Does does the animal just run

488
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: off and leave you? Or are you gaining on it?

489
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: And I mean you like, since you have this like

490
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: deep sense of like predatory instinct. Well, I didn't think

491
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: I could catch them, but they were small enough that

492
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: I felt like I might be able to and that

493
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: if I got one, that I might be able to

494
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: handle it without him eating me up. And so I

495
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: took off after these suckers. I was wearing big old

496
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: green lacross boots, I mean, so I could win in

497
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: my nikes, you know. And uh, Buddy, about the first

498
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: twenty yards, we are neck and neck, and I feel

499
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: good about that. Humans are known for endurance. A lot

500
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: of these animals are known for short bursts speed. Well,

501
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm about fifteen twenty ft behind them, and I mean

502
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: we're just trailing through the woods. I mean like a

503
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, like a lion chasing the pack of gazelles. Well,

504
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: one of them split off to the right, and I

505
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: stayed on the two. And then and they start to

506
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: turn and go downhill rather than uphill. They start to

507
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: turn and go down hill. One of them splits off,

508
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: and so I, you know, just instinctively chose one to chase.

509
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: He turns down this little drainage and is it starts

510
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: running down this little drawl with big boulders, and it

511
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: looks a lot like that picture right there. I mean,

512
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: just like boulders, rocks, drainages. And we're going downhill and

513
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: I start gaining steam. I started getting faster and faster

514
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: and faster and faster, and I'm I'm gaining on him,

515
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: and Buddy, I start to feel my head get in

516
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: front of my feet, and I absolutely bit running as

517
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: fast as a let's see how many years agoes up

518
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: um bears for it, Uh, you know, as fast as

519
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: a thirty year old man can run that's in decent

520
00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: shape and pred downhill and just a boulder thicket and

521
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: I busted. And as I'm flying through the air, I

522
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: had enough time to calculate to think, you're gonna get

523
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: hurt bad by this fought like I thought something gonna break,

524
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like. But I was so engulfed

525
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: in the chase, and I just tumble bam bam, I mean,

526
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: just flapped down on the rocks. And not only have

527
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: I hurt myself probably, but the coyoats got away. Well.

528
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: As soon as I hit the ground, I kind of

529
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: feel around and you know, what you think of breaking

530
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: is your arms, because you know, my arms hit first,

531
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 1: and then my legs were good, and I kind of

532
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: like your feet. But I think the coat's gone. Well.

533
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: I look up and that kyo, I guess when it

534
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: saw me going into the dive like a falcon, it

535
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: folded up and just was laying in a ball about

536
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: five ft in front of me. And so I poked

537
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: my head up. He pokes his head up, and the

538
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: chases on again, and so I mean, because he was

539
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: still there, I was like, well, okay, here we go again.

540
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Here we go again, Here we go again, well about

541
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. The chase went maybe fifty more yards

542
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: and he ducks into a hole under a big rock.

543
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: He knew where he was gyp. He was headed there

544
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: from the beginning, and he goes under this hole. Well,

545
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I wonder if mama coos in there. I mean,

546
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: these pups are still like nursing, you know, And so

547
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: I make a split second decision that I don't care

548
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: if Mama coats in there. I'm gonna try to get

549
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: this pup. And the rock was just big enough that,

550
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, I was able to tip it over, and

551
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: so I grabbed the rock and tip it over, and

552
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: turns out the hole wasn't as deep as I thought,

553
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: and that Kyle was just bawled up underneath that rock.

554
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: And I just took my hand like that, and I

555
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of gritted my teeth and I was just like,

556
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what's about to happen, But and I

557
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: just went by him and just grabbed him by the

558
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 1: scruff of the neck and just pinned him on the ground.

559
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: And I didn't know it at the time, but when

560
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: you catch a coyote by hand, they just immediately go docile.

561
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: I've seen that with trappers and different things. Uh, and

562
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: he just turned into like a little lab and I

563
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: carried him by the scruff of the neck up the mountain.

564
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: I've never been more proud in my life. And I

565
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: walked up to those two boys and I said, look here, boys,

566
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: we got ourselves a coyote. And we put a rope

567
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: around that sucker's neck and let him out of the

568
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: woods like a hound dog. Yes, we did, and we

569
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: took him over. We took him home, and I tried

570
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: the darnedest to tame that thing, and he just I

571
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: couldn't get him tame. He kept biting us, and finally

572
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: he got that was just as rabies accident. Yeah, finally

573
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: after a few weeks, you know. And the boys were

574
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: always out there, you know, messing with it, and I

575
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: mean it was in a cage, and finally I was

576
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: just like, this is gonna be trouble. And so, uh,

577
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: I actually turned him loose. People ask if I killed

578
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: him and I did not turn him loose. Yeah, that's crazy, man. Anyway,

579
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: I made a tree dog gotta if I wouldn't bark

580
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: a lot on the track called they called him Cody.

581
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: His locate would have been real, just thinking that's crazy.

582
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: All right, tell me a story. I'll tell you a

583
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: story about my senior trip. Everybody has a story about

584
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: their senior trip and where I grew up and went

585
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: to school and Southeast Dark and so if you're going

586
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: on the senior trip, he was gonna wind up in

587
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Florida on the beach. I cared nothing at that point

588
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: in my life. I had never seen the ocean or

589
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: the beach and didn't care about going back there. But

590
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: I hadn't lost anything there. It didn't sound like a

591
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: fun trip to me, but I was going because all

592
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: my friends were going. And on the night of the

593
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: graduation every after we graduated, there at the football field

594
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: and everybody gathered up and everybody's families were there, and

595
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: we were saying, Okay, you know, we're gonna meet back

596
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: here at ten o'clock everybody, and we're going to caravan

597
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: all the way to panamaf City or wherever it was.

598
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: And uh, my brother again, my brother, my my ball

599
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: bat supplier, my older brother Tim, he's there and he says, well,

600
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: you've all packed up ready to go. I'm like, I

601
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: don't want to go, So you don't want to go?

602
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: When you've seenior trip. I said, yeah, I want to

603
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: go on and senior trip, but I don't want to

604
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: go to Florida. I don't want to go to to

605
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: the beach and ocean. He said, well, let's let's go fishing.

606
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: That sounds good to me. So we went home that night,

607
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: gathered up everything that we could find to go camping,

608
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: and the next morning, after breakfast, we took off for

609
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: the Selene River. We carried everything that we thought we

610
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: would need with us because when we got to the river,

611
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna put the boat in at the Mount Elbe Access,

612
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: which is really since then been I'm proud to say,

613
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: named after uh dedicated, named after my dad. Uh they reeves.

614
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: It's the Lloyd Wilton Buddy Reeves Selene River Access. Yeah,

615
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: it's I mean it's when we had that done or

616
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: when it was passed the Game Fish Commission voted on it.

617
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: You know, one of the commissioners told me, he said, man,

618
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: he said, this is something that's forever, said it'll be

619
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: it'll be that name forever never as long as there's

620
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: a Game and Fish Commission, that's it. So that's cool,

621
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: pretty good play, and especially if place that he loved it. Anyway,

622
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: we put the boat in there. We put on a

623
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: little nine horse Johnson on the back of it, all

624
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: our camping gear, which was a two sleeping bags and

625
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: a tent, and uh ah, what groceries we could scrounge together, um,

626
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: because we were going to uh some cooking oil, because

627
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,399
Speaker 1: we were gonna catch everything we ate because fish eat,

628
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, I could eat. There's no one in my

629
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: family that doesn't love fish, and fish fresh fish out

630
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: of the river especially, so three or for three or

631
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: four days, that's why we were gonna eat, you know.

632
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: And if we need anything, it wasn't that far to

633
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: go back to town to get something. But our plan

634
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: was to survive on what we had with us and go.

635
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: So we put it into boat rim and we traveled

636
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: about a mile down the river to a place we

637
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: had picked out, uh to put pitch our tent, and

638
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: that was gonna be our headquarters where we're gonna do

639
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: our fishing. We pulled up there on the bank, got

640
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: our tents set up, started fishing. Had a crickets and

641
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: their fly rods, and that's that's what we've really fished

642
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: down there was fly rods with crickets and you know,

643
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: small corks, and we just floated down the river and

644
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: we caught enough fish that we had enough for lunch.

645
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: We motored back up to our camping spot. What it

646
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: was about that time. We we got our fish cleans,

647
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: we got up there, we got ready to cook, and

648
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: we realized we did not have skillet, we didn't have

649
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: a Dutch oven, we didn't have anything to cook this

650
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: fish in. So and we don't want to go back

651
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: to town. I mean, we just got there. So I

652
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: looked around, and my brother looked around, and on that bank,

653
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: on the bank of that other river there where we

654
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: had camped, we found a five pound coffee can folders

655
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: coffee kin that had washed up. And we figured heat

656
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: and hot grease would kill just about anything that was

657
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: harm so, so we took there. We took that thing

658
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: down to the river and we washed it out with

659
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: some slam. We poured them a hole in it and

660
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: a little fire underneath it, and then we commenced a

661
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: cooking fish. Now, I can't say that the grease, the

662
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: color of the grease was that inviting, but we're still

663
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: going on on the idea that you know, hot heat

664
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: will kill anything that's gonna be. So we fried our

665
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: fish up, and we're about halfway through Friday fish and

666
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: we we realized the second thing we didn't bring was

667
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: any potatoes. M and that while this is going on,

668
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: this conversation that we're having back and forth over this uh,

669
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: over the fire where we're cooking this fish and this

670
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: coffee can, there's an old man had a cabin not

671
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: far up the river. He comes floating by brown fishing,

672
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: and he hollered as, hey, boys, y'all cooking cooking your fish, Yes, sir,

673
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: we are, And I thought told him, I said, let's

674
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: ask him or some potatoes. I know he'd got something

675
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: at his cabin. So our brother hollers at him by name.

676
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: He says, hey, we've run off and forgot a tatoes.

677
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: Can you uh, can we borrow some? And he said, well,

678
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: y'all got some onion, don't you? And everybody knows in

679
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: the South that you can't fry fish and not eat onions. Potatoes.

680
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: We didn't have any, but we didn't want to look

681
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: like idiots. Not not that cooking fish and a rusty

682
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: coffee can was any indication we were anything. Buddy Y's

683
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: my brother looks at it. And says, oh yeah, we

684
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: got plenty of onion. And that man said, well that's

685
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: all you need, and he kept right on fishing. So

686
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: we thought, well that's that. Ruined that. So we did

687
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: have some light bread, and we love hush puppies, and

688
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: I had the idea. I said, what about what we

689
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: just fry some of this little deep fry some of

690
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: this uh light bread. So Tim, he says, well, what

691
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: we need to do this rope ball this thing. Take

692
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: a piece of light bread and bail it up like

693
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: a house puppy and drop it in there. And I

694
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: don't know, I ain't No one has thought of that before,

695
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: because it is it is, And if you would like

696
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: to do that, I can save you some trouble. If

697
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: you just take a like a sponge that you would

698
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: clean dishes with, pour some grease on it and chew

699
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: on that, that would be about like what it is,

700
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: trying to make light bread into a into a house puppy.

701
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: But we made We stayed down there for four days.

702
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: We were actually with that afternoon we went out and

703
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: we got some potatoes and onion, so we did have

704
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: onion from the for the next but we caught fish

705
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: every day you know, we ate fish every day and

706
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: for breakfast, lunch, and supper. And that was my senior trip.

707
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: That was your senior trip. It well, it sounds like

708
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: a good time I talked to you know, I've talked

709
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: a lot of folks about senior trips and always ask him,

710
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: did you go? And it's Florida, you know, Florida's Beach,

711
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: Disney World anywhere. Nobody yet has said I went camp

712
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: up with my brother and and we ate fish cooked

713
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: in a coffee can. Yep, I don't think, Oh, I

714
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: know what I did for a senior trip. You know

715
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: what I did for a senior trip. I was just

716
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: about to tell you I didn't do a senior trip.

717
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: Remember exactly what I did after I graduated is uh

718
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: I stayed out a little bit late that night. I

719
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: didn't I was never a party or anything. But I

720
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: went out with some friends to do a few things.

721
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: And uh, Gary nucom roused me at four a m.

722
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: In the morning, and we went turkey hunting. The day

723
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: after I graduated Surrey. We actually drove to Missouri. I

724
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: don't think we got there before daylight, but we uh,

725
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: we left and we hunted for two or three days.

726
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: In Missouri. Those are the best. Can What about you, Kobe?

727
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything. I think I went to work.

728
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: Did you graduate high school? He found his Texas A

729
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: and m Ring? Yeah, awesome. Yeah, I thought it was

730
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: missing in the body, like down the southern Arkansas on

731
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: some public land. But that's the last time I remember

732
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: seeing it. But it fell out of a couch when

733
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: I was moving it on the trailers the other day. Yeah,

734
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: it's been missing like four or five years. He fell

735
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: out of a couch. Can you believe that? Wow? And

736
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: it's your Texas A and m Ring. It was actually

737
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: bothering you that you lost it. I'm just kidding. I'm

738
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: just kidding your wife from Texas. Okay, I got I

739
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: got a short story. It's called I called I'd like

740
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: to call it Fire on the Mountain. Okay. One time,

741
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: one time I was hunting in the Washtall National Forest

742
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: and it was in late November, and I was I

743
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: was the intent was to bear hunt, but I was

744
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: also gonna deer hunt. And it was a cold. It

745
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: was one of these super cold mornings. Um, you know,

746
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: like for down there, you know, it's been like twenty

747
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: seven in degree hard frost and Uh, and I had

748
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: woke up. Now I may have stayed at my mom

749
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: and dad's house. I can't remember if I left from

750
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: here and drove the two hours. But basically I was

751
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: walking in the woods before daylight. The intent was to

752
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: walk most of the day. And uh. And so when

753
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: I do that, in your in your backpack hunting, you

754
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: don't carry a bunch of clothes. I dramatically underestimated the

755
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: coldness of that day. And uh, I started walking in

756
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: the dark, and I had to pull up this big

757
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: mountain and by the time I got all the way

758
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: over the mountain, across the top, and off the back

759
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:48,399
Speaker 1: side of the mountain, I was bone chilling cold. I mean,

760
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: just like and I realized I had dramatically underestimated the cold.

761
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: And uh, now I was on the north side of

762
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: this mountain and it was just like one big shadow,

763
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: and uh it was I just remember one of those

764
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: feelings that you would just like I would trade my

765
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: inheritance to get warm. You know, there's a biblical story

766
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: of Jacob and Esau where he saw came in from

767
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: a hunting trip. It was so hungry that he traded

768
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: his birthright to his brother for a bowl of lentil beans.

769
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: So you know, like in biblical teaching, like you you,

770
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: you know, that story is used as a foolish example

771
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: of someone who used this carnal kind of momentary desire.

772
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: They traded that in for something that had like this

773
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: deep value, you know, because as soon as he ate

774
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: the beans, like you know, it's like, well that may

775
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: not have been worth it, but he was super hungry.

776
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: I kind of felt like that. I was like, I

777
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: would do I would burn these woods down if I

778
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: could have a fire. Well it was real. It was moist,

779
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: everything was wet, and I did have a lighter, but

780
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: I didn't have like a firestarter, and so you know,

781
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be a major deal to

782
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: get a fire going. But I was like, forget to hunt.

783
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: I've got to have some relief. I may have been

784
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: wearing a T shirt. I don't even remember. Well. I

785
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: remember being on this steep slope, probably about a forty

786
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: five degree slope on the north side of this mountain,

787
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: and I found a flat rock and about as big

788
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: as a toilet seat, and I flipped that flat rock

789
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: up and put another rock up underneath it as to

790
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: make a platform. Do you see what I'm saying, and

791
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: I knelt down below the platform so that my chest

792
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: was about even with this little work bench that I

793
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: now had. Okay, I started to grab some pine needles

794
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: and kind of get them distributed out across the rock,

795
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: because I was about to start a fire on that rock.

796
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: But I need I felt like I needed something dry

797
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: and hard because my idea I was muzzleloader hunting. And

798
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: I had about three grains of Pyrodex powder, and uh,

799
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: you're about and you know like the little the Piadex pods. Okay,

800
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: So I I have for my life been under the

801
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: inclination that gunpowder burns. I mean I've done it before

802
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: where you cut open a shotgun shell and pour the

803
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: gunpowder down and like that gunpowder and it just it

804
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: just burns. You're like on Daniel Boone when they make

805
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: a make a trail, blow the door off the floor

806
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: with the gunpowder gig. But so anyway, I had this

807
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 1: paradox powder, and so I put a hundred grains of

808
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: paradox powder on that rock and I got a little

809
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: another little rock and I start mashing it up, crunch

810
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: country count made it into just into just this powder

811
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: about it's you know it was about a teaspoonful of

812
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: black powder. Well, I pull out my lighter and I've

813
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: got all my wet sticks that when this lights, I'm

814
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: gonna put the wet sticks on it. It's gonna dry

815
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: them out because it's such a hot heat. And man,

816
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: I was wearing glasses like I always do and have

817
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: for a long time. And I remember putting that lighter

818
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: lit and onto that hundred grains of paradex powder, and

819
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: the next thing that I remember is fire, completely in

820
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: golfing my full peripheral vision. And I am not kidding fire.

821
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, wherever you're at envision how much

822
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: you can see, take your hands and you start put

823
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: your hands up in the air like you're being arrested,

824
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: and start to move your hands back until you can't

825
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: see them. So from about your ears and need degrees

826
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: over you know, hundred eighty degrees. Basically, there was fire. Fire,

827
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: And I do not know if the explosion knocked me

828
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: back or if I jumped, which I probably just jumped back.

829
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: All I know is I was laying about eight feet

830
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: away down the hill, and my glasses were nowhere to

831
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: be found, and burnt hair could smell. I didn't have

832
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: a beard at the top, but it sends my eyelashes

833
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: and uh, anyway, I get the looking around and finally

834
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: find my glasses and they have burnt sparks into the

835
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: plastic plastic lenses, you know, and and the and and

836
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: it actually sparks burnt the plastic, not not burned it up,

837
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 1: but you know, just little specks like you've been welding

838
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: wearing those glasses. Oh man, that puts the fear of

839
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: God in me, It really did. It was one of

840
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: those moments. It's out in the woods where you know.

841
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been in the woods enough that rarely

842
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: does something happen that just makes me feel like I

843
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: absolutely know nothing. Just like take the breath out of you,

844
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,839
Speaker 1: just going Holy cow, that went way different than I thought,

845
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: and not in a good way. Oh man, it wore

846
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: me right up. Though I didn't I didn't worry about

847
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: getting cold the rest of the day, but it, Uh,

848
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: I was just like, God, how stupid could I have been? Anyway,

849
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: don't try to light paradox powder. I'm with you. I'm

850
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna take your word for fire on the mountain.

851
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: That's a lesson for everybody. Fire on the mountain, or

852
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: how I got rid of my eyebrows. Yeah, I'll tell

853
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: you a story involves my day in the same area

854
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: down there a lot of you know. I talked to

855
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: my brother on the way up here, and I called

856
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: him when you said, you know, call your brother and

857
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: tell him what your favorite story is. And so I

858
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: called him and we were talking and he said, you know,

859
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: this is he that's kind of a hard question to answer,

860
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: he said, because to pick one story out of everything

861
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: that's going on, because usually when we get together, it's

862
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: in a woodland place somewhere, usually in that far the world,

863
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: and it usually involves some near death experience through our

864
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 1: buffoonery of some type, you know. So, but I I

865
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: did think about this one, and which he wasn't there,

866
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: but he knew the story. But this is um. My

867
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: dad and my uncle and I were squirrel hunting and

868
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: we were on the horses with the dogs and having

869
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: a good morning. We killed several squirrels and my my

870
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: uncle had on a brand new stetson hat failed tent.

871
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: It looked good and he looked good in it. I'm

872
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: telling you it was a good liking and exactly you know,

873
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean and my dad. Uh we we everybody wore,

874
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, I had a course and my dad his

875
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: old dad he was wearing didn't look near like my uncle.

876
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: So but uh, my uncle kept talking about that hat

877
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: with a long My uncle talked about that hat. My

878
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: dad was talking about how good a shot he was

879
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: with this brown in twenty two, and he was, he

880
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: is a good He was a good shot. And you

881
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: know the little short Browning twenty two rifles, and that's

882
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: what we squirrel hunting with was twenty two was basically

883
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: with dogs, you know, and there's no leaves on the trees.

884
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: And the majority of the time, nine times out of ten,

885
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: if he's shooting a squirrel, he's not getting off the horse.

886
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: That's what I was for. If I didn't shoot the

887
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: hor if I didn't shoot the squirrel or whatever, if

888
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: he shot at one of them shot, I'd bailed off

889
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: the back of that horse. Right over there. I'm riding

890
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: right behind him. Me, I'm the co pilot. I go back,

891
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 1: I get the square world. We put him in a

892
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: saddleback time on my saddle horn or whatever. Then we're

893
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: going to the next one. And my dad had made

894
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: a pretty good shot on that squirrel that when we killed,

895
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: and he got to talking about that, how good a

896
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: shot he was. My uncle told him, I said, I've

897
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: about had enough of you. And you're twenty two shooting skills,

898
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: he said. I'm gonna throw this hat up in there,

899
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: this brand new hat, he said, And I don't think

900
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: you can hit it, he said. And if you miss it,

901
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna shut up about you're twenty two shooting skills.

902
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm sick of listening to it. My dad says, okay,

903
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: so I get I can climb back on the horse

904
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: with my dad. My uncle rides a little fifty and

905
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: twenty yards away from him, stands up in the stirrups,

906
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: and with all the strength of Samson, he grabbed that

907
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: hat and he flung it straight up in the air

908
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: like a frisbee. And I can remember sitting on the

909
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: back of that horse and looking up and watching that

910
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: hat go up, and it looked like he went past

911
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: the butt of every red oakin in the celind rim above.

912
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: And my my dad pulled that twenty to rifle up

913
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: to his shoulder like he was shooting a Winchester Model

914
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: twelve at a doe. And is that that hat circled

915
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: and got to the top to the apex. I thought, right,

916
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna shoot. He's gonna shoot it right there. He didn't.

917
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: He followed it all the way down. It was like

918
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 1: the rhythm and the fluid motion that he had following

919
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: that hat up and down. He was a thing of

920
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: beauty because I knew if anytime he sticks to pull

921
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: the trigger and poke a hole in the hat all

922
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: the way down, it comes flop, it hits the ground,

923
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: and my dad shots that thing eleven times as it

924
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: lay on the ground. I jumped off of he said,

925
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: I So I go down there, get the hat and

926
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: handed right alonger. He never said a word, but you

927
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: can hold the thing in front of your face and

928
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: read the newspaper. So don't ever take that bet, somebody says,

929
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: because he didn't say shooting there. He said, I'm just

930
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: gonna throw this hat up there, and I bet you

931
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: can't hit it. My Dad's I bet I can. Hey

932
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 1: tell the we'll do We'll do one more. I may

933
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: do one more. Tell me the story of when you

934
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: were a little kid and you got lost with the horse. Okay,

935
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 1: that's one afternoon. Also squirrel hunting with a dog on

936
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: the horses man. That was that was what we did.

937
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: That was the big thing. My dad was a big

938
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: cold hunter, you know, with hounds and and but they

939
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: go to forward. There was we we lived for squirrel season.

940
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: What kind of dogs are they run for? Coach squirrel?

941
00:56:53,080 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: Just curs uh, mountain fist, mountain curves. Uh. The you

942
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 1: know conglomeration of breeding all together. And there was no

943
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 1: registration or anything. They were all, you know, great dogs,

944
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: but they were you could you kicking the dogs you

945
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: can matchine. We had a dog in here. I turned

946
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: her out earlier. She's all right, she's all right. Uh

947
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: just made me I better, Uh, I better do some

948
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: checking carry on. So we had this dog that I

949
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: was hunting with, was a a little curd dog, bob

950
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: tailed dog. All our dogs except for one or two

951
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: that I remember, we're bob tailed anyway, Dad, it wasn't

952
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: much time left in the end the day. It was

953
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: getting kind of late in the afternoon, and and Dad,

954
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: I was just begging him, you know, nine or ten

955
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,479
Speaker 1: years old, eight or nine, and you know, I won't

956
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: go hunt, and I won't go hunt, and I wonna

957
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: go hunt. And He's like, I just go back here

958
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,680
Speaker 1: behind the house. So he saddled a horse for me.

959
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't saddle it. I mean I knew how to

960
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: saddle a horse, but this horse I was riding was

961
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: a big buckskin horse. My dad had one of the

962
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: I had never seen a good as good a Wood's

963
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: horse as that one was. But he was he was big.

964
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: He was. He also used him to pull a plow

965
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: in a small garden we had there, so I mean

966
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: he was. He was a gaited horse. He was probably

967
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: if I remember, like fifteen sixteen hands tall. He was.

968
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: He's a big horse, especially for a little kid to

969
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: get ump and on, are off and on. So he

970
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: got him saddled up, stuck at twenty two in the

971
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: in the scabbard, and cut the dog loose, and I

972
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: climbed on him. And the way we went behind the house,

973
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: and I remember killing two squirrels, and we got to

974
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: the third squirrel, and that was gonna be the the

975
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: if he treated pretty quick, that would be the last squirrel.

976
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: And and when it still have time to get back

977
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: to the house before dark, and I wasn't worried about

978
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: keeping up where I was gone, and it got dark,

979
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: I just gonna kick that horse in the side and

980
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: give him his head, and you know he's gonna go

981
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: straight back to the house regardless of where we were.

982
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: And we got down there and a dog tree. I

983
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: bailed off of old Buck and tied him up to

984
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: a bush there, and as I got off, the squirrel

985
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: started running and the dog was chasing him through the timber.

986
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: He was timbering out just I mean going. I couldn't

987
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: tell you how far he went, but I know when

988
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: we finally stopped and the squirrel went in the hold

989
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: and I lost him. I couldn't find him. Look for him,

990
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: look for him, look for him. Dog was just barking,

991
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 1: raising up, you know, came and she knows where he went.

992
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: I see a hole up there, and I realized he's gone,

993
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 1: and I was decided, then we're just going to go

994
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: back to the horse and get on the horse and

995
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: go home. But it's at that point I realized, I

996
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: don't know which way the horse is. It's cloudy like

997
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 1: it is today, you know, slick and overcast, and I

998
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: didn't know which way the sun was. You know, growing up,

999
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: my dad always told me, you know, I always know

1000
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: where the sun is, and you know, told me about

1001
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: navigating through the woods even as a little kid. But

1002
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: he said to you, always, if you're on a horse,

1003
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,959
Speaker 1: your horse is always going to know the way home. Well,

1004
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: my only problem was I didn't know where my horse was,

1005
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: so you Prissy. So Prissy is looking at me, and

1006
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at her, and she's wagging her tails and

1007
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: having a good time because she's out in the woods

1008
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: and we're hunting. And I looked at this dog dead

1009
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: in the eyes and said, go find buck because I

1010
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: was starting to get scared. And that dog took off

1011
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: and running exactly the opposite way that I thought that

1012
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: horse was at and I thought, well, she's just gone hunting.

1013
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: So I'm this is the way to the horse. I'm

1014
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 1: gonna go back this way. And I mean this horse

1015
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,959
Speaker 1: was humongous all I and the woods were pretty open.

1016
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: You know, if I can get within sixty yards of him,

1017
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: I'll be able to see him. So he's huge. And

1018
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: I started walking. The longer I walked, I came I'm

1019
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: not seeing anything that looks from me, and I'm starting

1020
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: to get scared. I know it's getting darker. And I

1021
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: heard Chrissie and she is treated and she's barking barking boys.

1022
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: I mean, she's hard treeing. And so I realized I'm

1023
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: going the wrong way, and I don't know, you know,

1024
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: I think about it now. I thought about it a

1025
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: hundred times. Why I even went to her. And it

1026
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: wasn't to kill a squirrel. It wasn't because I thought

1027
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: I needed to have that squirrel. It was that was

1028
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: the only thing around there that I knew. What was

1029
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 1: was hearing that dog. You know, if I'm gonna have

1030
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: to spend the night to night, at least I'm gonna

1031
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna spend the night with somebody I know, you know.

1032
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: So I turned around and go back towards the dog.

1033
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: And when I walked up to that dog, she was

1034
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: sitting on her behind in front of that horse barking

1035
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: and me, yeah, I don't think that dog could talk,

1036
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: but but I think, you know, and and how much

1037
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: read an empower you can give an animal, I don't know.

1038
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: But the Good Lord told that dog to go bark

1039
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: at that horse and get this idiot kid back home

1040
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 1: because he's got a lot of misadventures left in his

1041
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: life and near death experiences. But that was bucking Brent Yep,

1042
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: she was sitting right there barking, and I climbed and

1043
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: pulled that horse over next to a stump and climbed

1044
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: up on it and we went back to the house.

1045
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: I'll be Darne. That's cool. That's cool. Um. Have I

1046
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: ever told you the full version of the dream Buck?

1047
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: You have told me. That's a story that I will

1048
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: never ever get tired of here, and I would appreciate

1049
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 1: you telling them. Okay, so I have told you about it.

1050
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I had. I'll give the semi

1051
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: I'll give the condensed version here. You've heard the story. Yeah, well,

1052
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of people would have heard the story,

1053
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: but they didn't hear the story. So so this is

1054
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: a story that on First Light's film Nukem, which Brent

1055
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: Reeves is on. Uh and I'm on in in my

1056
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: office right over here, there's a there's a big buck.

1057
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: And just briefly I tell in the in the film,

1058
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: I said I had a dream I killed a twenty

1059
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: four point buck. I drew this picture of the buck

1060
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: stashed away. The picture ended up killing the buck. And

1061
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: that's that's what got me that very interesting. Let me

1062
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: just give a little bit more of an expansion of

1063
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: that story. Okay, so I had I was landscaping. I was,

1064
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: I was. I graduated college and I started a landscape company.

1065
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: I started that landscape company for two reasons. That was

1066
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: very clear to me what those reasons were. So that

1067
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: I could raise my young family without a boss telling

1068
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: me where to go and when to be there. Number one.

1069
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: Number two, when the leaves turn maroon in the fall,

1070
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: the white oak leaves some white oaks turned maroon, not

1071
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: all of them, some of them do. When the white

1072
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: oaks turned maroon the fall. I wanted to be able

1073
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: to hunt, and that's why I wanted home owned business. Well,

1074
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: my my passion was hunting. But there was zero, zero

1075
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:23,440
Speaker 1: entry point or way forward to make a living hunting.

1076
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: Nor did I have any false ambitions or dream spasms

1077
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: as we say, that I could make a living in

1078
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: the outdoor industry. I mean, it just it just wasn't

1079
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: on the radar. I just knew that I loved to

1080
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: hunt and that this was something that was the priority

1081
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: of my life. Okay, So I was landscaping. Actually, uh,

1082
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: my kids sent me a picture of me landscape doing

1083
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: some stonework yesterday. That was kind of brought back some memories,

1084
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: but it was it was July two thousand and seven,

1085
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: and up until that time, I had never written an

1086
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: article for a publication, though I like to write, and

1087
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: I was had been in like like when I was

1088
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: in eighth grade. Uh in the middle school I went to,

1089
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: they had a creative writing class that was like a

1090
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: select group of people that were in it. Well, I

1091
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: was chosen to be in that class. So that was

1092
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: the only indication in my life that I had an

1093
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: inkling of, you know, creative writing flare. Okay, Well, I

1094
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: had submitted only one article to a magazine before that,

1095
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 1: and that was The Traditional bow Hunter, of which Dwight

1096
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: Shoe very politely and very tactfully wrote me a long

1097
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: letter telling me all the reasons why it was not publishable. Okay,

1098
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 1: Dwight Shoe has since passed away. He's like a legend

1099
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: in the bow hunting world. He was a he was editor.

1100
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: I said, Traditional it wasn't It wasn't Traditional bow Hunter

1101
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: bow Hunter magazine. Yeah, yeah, um, and uh so I

1102
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 1: hadn't written anything. Well in July two thousand seven, I

1103
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: remember it just was it was hot. I remember when

1104
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: I woke up. I remember what the light looked like.

1105
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: It was green like uh, you know, just in the

1106
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 1: summer it gets daylight real early, and and we didn't

1107
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: have curtains on the windows, and just I just remember

1108
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: it was just at summer field. And I woke up

1109
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: and I had had a dream, very specific dream, very

1110
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: vivid dream that I had killed a twenty four point

1111
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: buck with my bow. I don't remember if I counted

1112
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: the points in the dream or if you know, sometimes

1113
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: in the dream you just know something. I remember I

1114
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: killed a twenty four point buck with a bow, and

1115
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: I remember that on the recovery, my El Salvadorian worker

1116
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: who became a very close friend of mine named at

1117
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: the time he went well, I won't say his name.

1118
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: He was in real life worked with men, was my friend,

1119
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: and I remember he was with me on the recovery.

1120
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 1: And so this El Salvadinian guy was with me and

1121
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: we recover this buck and it's just like wow, and uh,

1122
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: four point buck and uh that was the extent of

1123
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:14,919
Speaker 1: the dream. I woke up, probably theirs Since then, I've

1124
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: had a couple of dreams about hunting. But anyway, it

1125
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: was significant enough that I grabbed a scrap of paper

1126
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: off of the desk there and I drew a picture

1127
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: of the of the buck that I saw, and uh,

1128
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: the buck had big brow times and the buck had kickers.

1129
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: And I drew a picture and I wrote July two

1130
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: thousand seven. And then I I later came back like

1131
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: a few days la, because you know, I just kind

1132
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: of drew it and left it there on the on

1133
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: the you know, the bedstand, and a few days later

1134
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I keep that, and so I wrote

1135
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: in a different ink, I wrote, do not throw away Misty,

1136
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: because Misty would have just grabbed it up and thrown

1137
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: it away or well and actually there's no comma, so yeah,

1138
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: and so anyway, I stash it away and I forget

1139
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: about this, forget about this, um and uh. On August

1140
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, I was in my kitchen and I

1141
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: saw a flash of no no, no no, yep. August two eight,

1142
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: I have a I had a food plot in my

1143
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: backyard up here about two about a half acre, not

1144
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: a half acre, quarter acre food plot and clover, and

1145
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: I saw some deer up there. I pretty much live

1146
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: and we don't live way out in the country, but

1147
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,320
Speaker 1: it's not like super rural. We don't have a lot

1148
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: of land. And anyway, saw some deer started looking at

1149
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: these deer and I see the biggest non typical white

1150
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: tail I have ever seen in my life, feeding in

1151
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,959
Speaker 1: full velvet in that food plot. And I had a

1152
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: VHS camera, you know, actual tape, and I video this

1153
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: buck and I've got that video today and it is

1154
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: not the buck that I killed. I filmed this buck,

1155
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, holy smokes, it's that buck right there.

1156
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: That that is the buck that I filmed. We called him. Well,

1157
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: I can't say the name of the buck because it

1158
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 1: will give away his location. Yeah, that buck right there,

1159
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,759
Speaker 1: that is the one that I filmed. Okay, that buck.

1160
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: I never saw him again because he ended up getting

1161
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: hit on the road. And that's why I have his rack.

1162
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: I picked up that rack, uh a year and a

1163
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: half later, and he was he had clearly died in

1164
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: velvet because those horns are still really sharp. Well, when

1165
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: I see this huge buck, I go to looking for

1166
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: I go every evening. This was even before I was

1167
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: using trail cameras, and so every evening I'm watching with

1168
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: binoculars out the back window for this buck. And on

1169
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: September the tenth or eleventh, I can't remember, I see

1170
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: a huge buck in the food plot, and I think

1171
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: it's that buck, and I go look at it and

1172
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: it is not that buck in fact, but it is

1173
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: another big, non typical buck and he has a big

1174
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: chunk of velvet hanging off his horn swinging my video.

1175
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: I have both of these videos. We could watch them today.

1176
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: They're on my computer. And I filmed this buck and

1177
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: he is just a beast, and I cannot believe it.

1178
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: I've got two giant bucks in my backyard. And Uh, Anyway,

1179
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: I pretty much decide that I'm gonna dedicate my season

1180
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 1: to hunting these bucks in my backyard. And at the time,

1181
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: people weren't doing that that much. It was just starting

1182
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: to be the trend of this suburban hunting, like really

1183
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: like it was not a thing back then anymore. Now

1184
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: people know that the biggest bucks in the country are

1185
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 1: probably in the city. Yeah, well we didn't. You know,

1186
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 1: that wasn't as common. So I decided I was going

1187
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 1: to dedicate my whole season. And this is where I'll

1188
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 1: condense the story. Basically, I could hunt in the mornings, uh,

1189
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: and for fifteen straight days. It wasn't technically fifteen straight

1190
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: days because three days I went down and hunt with

1191
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: my dad. Excluding those three days I hunted with my dad.

1192
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: I hunted for fifteen straight mornings, and I had a

1193
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: regiment that I went through for scent and for at

1194
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: the time, I was doing a ton of scent control

1195
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: stuff and uh and perhaps and and that close of

1196
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: an environment that sent control stuff was helpful. But I

1197
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: left my clothes on the porch. I was chewing sent

1198
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: free gum, I was taking core fill tablets. I was

1199
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: like like spraying down. I was just doing every possible

1200
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: thing for SERC because I knew I was gonna have

1201
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 1: to hunt this food plot over and over and over

1202
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: and over and over. And I did all those things.

1203
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 1: And I was in the stand no less than one

1204
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: solid hour before shooting light for fifteen days. It was

1205
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: a grind. I never saw the buck, never saw the buck.

1206
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: Saw a few deer, a few deer, A few deer here,

1207
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: and they're here, and they're here and there. Finally, on

1208
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: October I woke up and it was a ball me,

1209
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: ball me. October eighteenth. It was warm and windy, just

1210
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: the kind of day you're just like, ah, wait till

1211
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: this is not a good day to hunt deer. But

1212
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: just because of the what I had set in my

1213
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: mind to do. I did it. I got got out,

1214
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: went up there. My stand is still in the tree.

1215
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: It's not functional because the lock on stand, as the

1216
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: tree has grown, is now folded up like that, you

1217
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: know how, like, yeah, the platform is now sticking up

1218
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: about like this. But I could take you to that

1219
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: stand and it is no less than about twenty eight

1220
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: ft up in a tree. Will up in the tree.

1221
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:41,559
Speaker 1: And Uh, that morning at daylight, there were no deer around.

1222
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 1: Deer movement was slow, and so I decided that I

1223
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 1: check out my rattle bag and rattle. So I clacked

1224
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: the horns together, click clack, clicktie clack, and uh, didn't

1225
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: think much about it. Didn't think much? Could hear me? Well? Directly?

1226
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: I hear a twig snap way up up fifty yards

1227
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: on the hill from me, and I see the flash

1228
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 1: of antler, and I go to looking at it, and

1229
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: I immediately recognized it as the second buck, not the

1230
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: first one, the second buck that I've seen. He begins

1231
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 1: to parallel the food plot and at twenty three yards

1232
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: I come to full draw and he walks through an

1233
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: opening and I try to grunt stop him, and he

1234
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 1: won't stop, and he just walks straight out of sight.

1235
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 1: I grunt after he's totally gone back back, grunted time

1236
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 1: or two, and just stay glued on the direction that

1237
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:38,880
Speaker 1: he had left. Well, ten minutes later I see a

1238
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,080
Speaker 1: deer coming from that direction, and sure enough it's him.

1239
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: He's walking on the same trail just like he's. He

1240
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 1: heard the rattling, came down, looked in the food plot,

1241
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 1: didn't see anything, and then just was like, I don't

1242
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: know what. He just went on a walk about. Well.

1243
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if he heard the grunt and came

1244
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 1: back in because of the grunt or what happened. But

1245
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,120
Speaker 1: here he comes back and it looks like he's is

1246
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: gonna go the same route he did before and turn

1247
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: up and go back into where he was bedding up

1248
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: higher on this hill. So when he gets to that

1249
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: shooting lane, rather than stopping or doing anything, he turns

1250
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: and comes just like he's gonna come right down in

1251
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: the food plot. He gets about fourteen yards and he's

1252
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: standing on a big old slab of limestone. I mean,

1253
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: like a there's a there's this bluffy back there. I

1254
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: remember he was standing on a slab of limestone and

1255
01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: he's slightly quartering to me, but not bad. I mean

1256
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: he's broadside effectively. And I was at full draw using

1257
01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: the Matthews z Max and torched it off and hit

1258
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: him right where I was aiming. And when he spun,

1259
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:48,240
Speaker 1: he slipped on that piece of limestone, and his hoofs

1260
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: left a white mark across that limestone when he like

1261
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: a skid mark, and he hit the ground, and he

1262
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: jumped back up and took off, and uh, long story short,

1263
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: we wag it about four hours. We waited longer than

1264
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 1: we needed to. The it was a little bit far back,

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01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: the shot just a touch, and uh we got my

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01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 1: father in law and my son Bear, who had just

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01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: probably not long after he had called in that dough

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: deer because he was a little boy. He was two

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01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: or three at the time. And uh, we went up

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01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: and recovered that deer and I go to counting those

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01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: points one, two, three, four or five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven,

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01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: twelve twenty four points. Now you no, I mean, it

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01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: didn't occur to me until I looked back at the paper,

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01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: you know, just like at some point I was like,

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01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: I drew a picture of that deer, and I went

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01:15:48,240 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: and and and found the picture and I don't remember

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01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: how long it was, but there was that span. And

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01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,919
Speaker 1: and uh, I will tell you this. Boon and Crockett

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01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: counts that deer is having only one scoreable points, but

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01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 1: there are twenty four points that you can hang a

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01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: ring on. So I'm a boone crocket official measure. So

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01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:10,559
Speaker 1: I don't want to contradict the boone crocket system, but

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01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying maybe they should consider the old if you

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01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:19,240
Speaker 1: can ring on it. Because the source of that dream,

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01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: which I think came from a higher dimension than this

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01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:26,479
Speaker 1: dimension we currently live in, considers that buck of you

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01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 1: with me. And so anyway, I killed that bucking Brent.

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01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 1: That buck scores a hundred and sixty gross as twenty

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Speaker 1: four points, and I got a big old leaning brow time.

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Speaker 1: And just I mean, I'll never kill another deer like

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01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: that in Arkansas in my life. I've never seen one

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01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: like that. I'm sitting here looking at him right now,

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01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: and I've never seen one like that. It's just a

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01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 1: wild looking deer they want. That left beam looks like

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01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: coral to me. Yeah, yeah, really unique deer. Well, and

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01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: so how that in end with this right here is

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01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: that I had three articles published about that deer. One

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01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 1: in North American white Tail, one in bow Hunter, and

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01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: one in Arkansas Sportsman, and then and they weren't about

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01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, the deer wasn't like a Boone and crocket deer,

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01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: but they were, but they were all stories about suburban hunting. Yep.

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01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: And uh and so uh yeah, it was in the

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01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight October issue of bow Hunter, I

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01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 1: think is when the first one came out, and that

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01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 1: was just a story about the hunt. But then the

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01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: North American Whitetail stuff was was about suburban hunting. And

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01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: I talked about how, uh, rattling and calling is super

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01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: effective with unhunted deer because they've never heard it. I mean,

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01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: that deer deer, they've never had deer people, you know,

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01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 1: hunters calling out him, and that deer responded like on

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01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 1: a string to a rattle on October eighth. And uh.

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01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: But anyway, that was the entry point for me getting

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01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: in the outdoor industry. I mean, really, that was the

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01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: genesis point. And now you know, thirteen years later, you know,

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01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 1: full time I'm in writing and stuff, and so now

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01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: I have no doubt that God was involved in that.

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01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 1: And and you know, just I don't I think it's Uh,

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01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 1: I think it's cool stuff when when you when you,

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01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: when you far beyond what human rational thought could do

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: guided by something like that. And uh so anyway, that's

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01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: my story. Yeah. Well man, we've been rolling here for

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01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: a while. Uh, if you got any if you got

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01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: a burning story, are you good? I've got a million,

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01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: We have a million again. Well be thinking we'll do

1325
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:47,679
Speaker 1: another one of these. But uh yeah, Kolby thoughts, Yeah,

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01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: this is good. That's good. I could listen to these

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01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: stories all day. Yeah, I feel like I need to

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01:18:54,400 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: go in a longer trip with Brent. Yeah, didn't get

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01:19:00,439 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: to talk much. Yeah. Yeah, thanks Ton, Brent, thanks for coming. Hey.

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01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 1: You can follow Brent Reeves at brent Instagram is Brent

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01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: underscore Reeves and Reeves is spelled r e A the is.

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01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 1: Anybody can be a double e Reeves, but only other

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01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: special ones can be an Ye, yep, story, but I

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01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: got a story about that. I'll save it for a

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01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 1: later time. But it's true. My dad told him, gotta

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01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: be true, gotta be true. All right. Well, I'm looking

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01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: for Ken from Oklahoma, uh to ride in about his

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01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 1: horse kids. Reward you got, you got you got? If

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01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:52,479
Speaker 1: somebody will send me a picture that they took of

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01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: the what's the name of the launch boat launch the

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01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:06,959
Speaker 1: Lloyd Will Buddy Reeves Mount Selene River Access. If somebody

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01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: other than A Reeves with an A will send me

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01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: a picture of that boat ramped launch that they took,

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01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: you can't like go online and find it. That will

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01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: sniff you out. You gotta put your face I know

1346
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: at all, I know all the video or all the photographs.

1347
01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: Then we'll give you a year subscription to Barony Magazine

1348
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,799
Speaker 1: if it's done within two weeks of this podcast release.

1349
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 1: So if you listen to this like three years from

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01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, may like we can't honor this. If in

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01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: two weeks the release of this podcast submitted to us Instagram,

1352
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: it will we'll give you a year. Is that fair?

1353
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: That's wonderful, wonderful. It's gotta be Reeves approved. Yeah, all right,

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01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: Thanks to Tom Brent, Thanks Kobe. Keep the wild places

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Speaker 1: wild because that's where the bears live.