1 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke. Summer League two coming to 2 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: you live from the Legend Suite and uh the wind. Yeah, 3 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: Las Vegas, Boss, we're here. Uh introduce our next because 4 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: what y'all been doing before the cameras came out. I'm 5 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: mad the cameras weren't on. Introduce you man as my 6 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: real brother man, Uh, somebody I hate for real in 7 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: real life, real time, which everything bad had happened to 8 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,319 Speaker 1: him and only him. No success in life is ever 9 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: coming this way. And I'm happy to say that now 10 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: my real brother, somebody who I'm proud of to see 11 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: what he's doing in hbc U space. Um, we did 12 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: some great things together and hung out the whole time. 13 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: I ain't be a career and somebody who I really 14 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: love as a real brother, bondsy Wales. I ain't shaking 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: your hand. I shook your hands by ten times already 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: that when Jack was on No Block, would you say, 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping that he got robbed, But 18 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: it was all love though. It was a big conversations 19 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: on the back and for all. I think if you 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: if we could just get we had to start going 21 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 1: on Twitch and uh just streaming. Yeah, these mothers do 22 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: on that game. It's classic. Uh, man, welcome bonds, long overdue. 23 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: Let's get right to it. Man, you had a great 24 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: idea that you said came together in five weeks you 25 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: put on the first ever HBCU combine at this year 26 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: Summer League. Talk to us how that came about it, 27 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: Who helped you put put that vision together? Um, you know, 28 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: when I first got the job at HBCU at lamoine 29 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: On College, I told myself, I want to do everything 30 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: I can to help it, you know once especially once 31 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: I got there and met the people and saw how 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: it really goes down, and um, you know, I actually 33 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: attended the NBA Combine in Chicago this year and met 34 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: some great people there, you know network, and I met 35 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: this guy named Brooks and we just got to just 36 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: you know, hitting off talking and he told me he 37 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 1: had an idea that he wanted to run by me, 38 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: and I said I had some stuff too ended up coming, 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: and we was on the same page about doing a 40 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: showcase for the kids to be able to, you know, 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: take the HBCU kids who don't get recruited, don't get 42 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: looked at. We just have careers and just kind of 43 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: just trying to make it somewhere, to really give my 44 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: opportunity to um be recruited and looked at by pro personnel. 45 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: So this is about five well whatever, the coke combine 46 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: was five six weeks ago and became an idea and the 47 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: the moment start going and he asked me, could I 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: find some coaches and that's HBCU NBA lineage that could 49 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: come through and help us. So I called Kenny Kenny Anderson, 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: I called Moe Williams and I called this immediately jumped 51 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: on board. We put our heads together and we had 52 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: our first one yesterday and just to see it, you know, 53 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: come together bringing thirty young fellas that's chasing the dream 54 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: just like us. You know, we're all parents, so you know, 55 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: you see you see that the sun and you know, 56 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: so you know, it just felt good. You know, I 57 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: got kind of emotional because you know, we know the grind, 58 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: we know how it is, so it just felt good 59 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: to be a part of it and just you know, 60 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: just just to be a part of HBCUs culture period 61 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: head coach in lamon Owen. How did that opportunity come about? 62 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: And how's it going over there? Well, you know, um, 63 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: you know with this with this fool over here stack. 64 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: You know, we support each other and everything. I know, 65 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: we play around, but you know, we got a serious 66 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: side to us where we support each other and everything 67 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: we do. And um, a few years back to Alan 68 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: Iverson Classic came about and came to us a couple 69 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: of years ago, and um, you know we had our 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: podcast let's get technical when my brother Rahi Wallace and 71 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: you know, you guys got your wonderful podcasts, and you 72 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: know when I Bow and the people came to us 73 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: to have like a battle against you know, our part 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: against y'all. We've got all all Americans during the pandemic 75 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: and it was just a great move. And you know, 76 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: obviously you didn't get to a teen but you know, 77 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to put you on the stor the bus. 78 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: But but honestly, you know, when we got there, we 79 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: didn't know we was gonna really see he's just like 80 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: you now. Honestly, we didn't know what we was want 81 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: to see. And when we walked into the gym with 82 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, we had chat, we had POWLO, we had 83 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: all the first round kids that basically got drafted this year, 84 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, on our teams, and we walked in. We 85 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: saw all the NBA personnel and all these agents and 86 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: everybody kind of in there, and we had a real 87 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: practice like we were you know, we don't won't be 88 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: sucking around, you know, so we don't got no time 89 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: like once you get in that rectangle, if you ain't 90 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: hooping for real, you know, you gotta get the funk 91 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: about the gym. You know. That's kind of the model. 92 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: So they saw how we were kind of handling them kids, 93 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: and we don't give a funk about all Americans and 94 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: all that ship. You know, we don't did that. They 95 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: just kissed us, you know what I mean. So we 96 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: had them as such, and people was coming to us like, yo, 97 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: what y'all do what you're doing now? Me and she 98 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: and we're like, yo, we just kind of volunteer high 99 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: school coaches because you know, once we just volunteer our 100 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: time for kids and do whatever we can. Didn't want 101 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: to really really get locked into anything. So people are 102 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: just saying, I need to do more. You can be 103 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: a college coach. And about a month later a guy 104 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: called me. It was like, Hey, I got an hbc 105 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: U opportunity. Would you like to know spearhead the movement? 106 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: You know, you see what Dion is doing, and you 107 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: see what you know kind of the way it's going, 108 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: would you like to do it? So no, I was nervous. 109 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to even answer it. So I 110 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: just you know, talk to guy, prayed on it and 111 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: just you know, let him just take my heart. And 112 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: I woke up the next warning get Lamoion on Colleges 113 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: on my heart, called it and told him Mama dood 114 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: And that just been you know, just taking a day 115 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: for day, you know, because I didn't know if I 116 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: was strong enough to be a leader, a man like that, 117 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: leader of this thing. But you know, God, you know, 118 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: kept me around for a reason, and I'm just thankful 119 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: that I got this opportunity to be the person. I mean, 120 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: that's beautiful. Obviously, Dion's made such a big impact at 121 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: Jackson State, and uh, you got more Williams over there 122 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: now what you're doing, you said, Kenny Anderson. There's enough 123 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: people out there to continue to bring attention in an opportunity, 124 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: and we want to salute you obviously typically for you know, 125 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: being uh kind of the brain behind this combined idea, 126 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: so you know, best elucted them young fellers out there 127 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: man in your journey going to raising Munsey. But nobody 128 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: knows you. You're probably the most least famous person to 129 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: ever come from out of the Let's talk about your upbringing. Man. 130 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: You know Indiana you know, if you know Indiana, Indiana 131 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: is a basketball state. I was raised old school, you know, 132 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: in basketball, you know basketball. You know, we have a 133 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: blue collar country. I mean started in town. Um A 134 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: lot of people either honestly that it is sell dopeer. 135 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: They're working a factory. That's kind of what it is 136 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: where I'm from. So we kind of eat the blue collar. 137 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: My dad was the one who worked in the factory. 138 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: So I was blessed to you know, have a father 139 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: that not not saying, you know, I'm not saying, that's 140 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: just kind of what it was back then. I said, 141 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: against those guys who did it or whatever. But you know, 142 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: my dad is kind of raised men, had two parent 143 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: home and basketball was life. And my parents were you know, 144 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: very close. Now I got five brothers and sisters, you know, 145 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: grew up. My mother is one of eighteen kids, so 146 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: I have a really big family. Brothers just came home. Yeah, 147 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: one of my brothers just came home from the joint 148 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: but you have a really big family. So I'm monthly 149 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: about sixty thousand people. But we have just a small 150 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: community of um of color, Blacks and you know, people 151 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: of color, about ten thousand of us. So we all 152 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 1: know each other, some kind to each other or dated 153 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: each other. So it's just kind of like a small 154 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: community I've always grew up in and basketball is kind 155 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: of life. And you know, I kind of grew up 156 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: where you know, when you get to a certain age thirteen, 157 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: fourteen or fifteen, if you can play some ball, they 158 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: throw you to the vets, the o g s, the 159 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: grown people. And that's kind of where I learned how 160 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: to play basketball. You know, I could play a little bit, 161 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: but once I really started learning how to play, they 162 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: threw me to the vets. And I've been playing with 163 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: grown men since I was fourteen or fifteen. So basketball 164 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: was just life for me, and it kind of gave 165 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: me a pathway to what I'm doing now. And you know, 166 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: but I just had a great upbringing in term of community. 167 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: You know, we didn't have we have violence just like 168 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: everybody else, but you know, we were community driven where 169 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: everybody kind of policed theirselves and protected each other. So 170 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: I was just blessed, you know, to be able to 171 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: go through the process and just kind of make it 172 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: through it in Munci growing up playing basketball. Who are 173 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: your influences? Like? Who you looked up to? Who are 174 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: you packing the game? Like? I know you told me 175 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: you looked up the bembo codes? Come out? Come out? Bro? 176 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: Where the fun you get that name from? Oh? What's 177 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: wrong with you? Stupid of the mother? Can we be serious? Okay, 178 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying, bro, I'm trying um influences. I mean, you 179 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: know you have a lot of innociting influences. But you know, me, 180 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: growing up, I should really want to pattern my game 181 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: after a glam big big dog Robert you know. He 182 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: he's an Indiana guy from Gary, Indiana, you know, and 183 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: he was a legend to us. You know, he was 184 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: a guy that I felt like I'm more related to 185 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: because he was you know, Gary is a real tough neighborhood. 186 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: You know, they kind of you know hood, and that's 187 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: somebody wanted to be like. I mean, he went to Purdue, 188 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: he was an All American, he swept all awards. He 189 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: wanted to, you know, the state championship in Indiana, which 190 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: was tough back then because we only had one state champion. 191 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: We don't have class basketball, so he did that's even harder. 192 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah to Purdue, did all the awards, number one pick 193 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: and he had a great career. So that was one 194 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: of my guys who are really really really pattered my 195 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: game after and just trying to be like and it's 196 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: the craziest thing. I never really really met him off 197 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: the court. And that's the craziest thing because still to 198 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: this day, still to this day, and he's one of 199 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: my favorite players. You know, ever I swear the high 200 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: socks like him might try to. You know, we had 201 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 1: almost a similar game, you know, coming up, big dog. 202 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: What was your recruitment process? Like, oh man, uh, you know, 203 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: I never had an opportunity to go to a basketball camp. 204 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: You know, I just kind of played ball in my hood. 205 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: And you know, back where we're from, you know, you 206 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: don't really go to camp. You kind of playing hood tournaments. 207 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: So where we're from is is that you know, you 208 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: get the best people from your hood and play against 209 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: the best peoplehood and we're gonna meet at this tournament. 210 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: We're gonna play. It's like, you know the Rutger Park 211 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: type joint where everybody's around and you know everybody. So 212 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: that's the only way I really knew how to play ball. 213 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: So I'm playing that when I'm like fourteen and fifteen, 214 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: playing with the grown men doing that stuff. So that 215 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: was kind of, you know, how I got found. But 216 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 1: so I got recruited by Indiana and Purdue, and I 217 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: remember crazy story. Indiana came to recruit me and I 218 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: was around the time when Bob and Knight was on 219 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: his bullshit and he was had to whip out and 220 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: whip and keep picking all that ship. I saw him 221 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: come in. It was like, man, Bob, are you I 222 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: left the gym. I was like, man, I ain't gotta 223 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: time for this ship. Like man, I've been like, kicked 224 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: you on my fucking ass and be the black ball 225 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: forever because I know me, you know, I know my 226 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: daddy and my uncle them, you know they ship. So 227 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: you know I got you know, I I even't Purdue 228 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: was big. I really wanted to go to Produce because, 229 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: like I said, Big Dog was my favorite player. So 230 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: I was gonna go to Purdue. But had a guy 231 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: named Ray McCollum. He's from my born and raised in 232 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: my city, went to my high school, went to ball 233 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: State and he was at Wisconsin with Mike Filling all 234 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: them guys happened to get the job at ball State. 235 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: Knew my pops and all them, and he was just like, hey, 236 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: if you come to ball State, I never recruited at 237 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 1: your position. You know, you go to these other schools, 238 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: they're gonna be having a top counor people, they're gonna 239 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: recruiting at your Spoties like, I'll let you flourish and 240 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you to the league. And I was 241 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: like cool, and it just worked out. And you know 242 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: when I got there, you know, just you know he's 243 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: starting me from day one? Is that where Jesus shuttles 244 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Worth with who Jesus shuttles Worth? No? No, no, no, crazy? 245 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: Were you with off the movie? No? What was it called? 246 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't Ball State? No, it wasn't Ball State. I 247 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: know was in the real school? Uh man over four 248 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: year career, twid points. Uh. You were in a heavy 249 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: draft class eleven and pick of the Draft heavy litter 250 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: with Vince Carter, Jamison, Paul Pierce Dirt. Did you get 251 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,719 Speaker 1: a chance to see these guys in the workouts? How 252 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: did that happen? Please? Explain I ain't gonna lie, man, 253 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: I was cold to my Yeah, just to be honest, man. 254 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: You know, like you know, playing that ball stake, you 255 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: know you're kind of getting that mid major. They tell 256 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: you really ain't. You know, they kind of kind of 257 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: put you in that shelf like you know, you're not 258 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, I don't care what your status is. You're 259 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: not at a you know, the top division one. So 260 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: they kind of kept me in a bubble. But this crazy, 261 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: this is a true story. As a sophomore, I had 262 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: a chance of coming out. I was asking like twenty 263 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: five and a half, I was leading nation and steals 264 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: and this is how I've never left my city in 265 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: my whole life until I went pro. So I don't 266 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: know ship in my city. So a guy came in. 267 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: This is a true story. He was a general manager 268 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: for the Pacers and he came in and then general manager. 269 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm thinking he that manager to kind 270 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: of get the bags and do all this ship. Don't 271 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: know nothing about nothing. So he's telling me like, Yo, 272 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: if you come out, I'm pretty sure we're gonna pick you. 273 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: Don't care what pick we get, We're gonna pick you. 274 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 1: And I'm over here in my coach looking at me, 275 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: hype like I'm telling you, I'm over here looking at 276 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: like I'm thinking he's a manager manager. So I didn't 277 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: come out, and they ended up you know, picking like 278 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: um Eric Damp. They had a lottery pick, like a 279 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: number eleven and nine six. So this is a This 280 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: is that heavy draft in ninety six where you know 281 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: that the real draft where cold back and that's that. 282 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: That's that draft. I'm scared of death, so I don't leave. 283 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: And come to find out this guy was Billy Knight. 284 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know Billy Knight. You know 285 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: he's a big time executive league and all this stuff, 286 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: but I didn't really know who he was. And he 287 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: was like, man, we got you know, we were the 288 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: NBA really want you. And this is really before the 289 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: internet and all this ship, you know, when no computers 290 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: or nothing like that. So I couldn't really see my 291 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: my draft history and where I was gonna go. So, 292 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: you know, my senior year, I did about twelve workouts, 293 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: worked out for teams, met a few dudes that they 294 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: was had us against. I ain't see Paul or nobody 295 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: like that, but I killed them foods everywhere I went, 296 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: you know, everywhere I went. And then when Detroit they 297 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: picked me at a level, it was just like crazy 298 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: because I went right after Paul Person. You know, you 299 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: know what Paul has did with his career, but just 300 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: where I'm from and all that heavy draft, I was 301 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: just blessed. First impression in the Portland and that team, 302 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: damn man, that seem was wild, like I was. I 303 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: remember my first day, you know, when I got traded, 304 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: you know, because when I first I got bed drafted 305 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: by Detroit. So I'm supposed to be hanging with Joe 306 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: Dumars and grand Hill to him. So you know, my 307 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: life is, my experience is supposed to be totally different, 308 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: you know. So that's not so. Now I go out 309 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: to Portland. I remember I worked out Grant right before 310 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: I got traded, and I'm like, dang, I'm about to 311 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: be on some Grant stuff. We're about to be square 312 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: and straight lace. And then next day I got traded 313 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: to Portland. I remember I couldn't practice for like the 314 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: first day, and I'm looking at it and I'm seeing 315 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: Jerr Riders. She you know what I'm saying, Jermaine, you know, 316 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: Damon Stardo Mars, Sabonis All and Who's Who Stacy Agman 317 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: walk Ways. I remember sitting there, literally, I was nervous, 318 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: scared because I'm like, this is the who's who of basketball, 319 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, I'm just staying to myself like, man, 320 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna never play. I just remember saying myself, 321 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna never play because these guys are established pros. 322 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy Jackson at the two, you know, I gotta go, 323 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, JR. Rider, Jimmy Jackson at the two, you 324 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: got Damon Stardom, Gary Grant at the point, I'm sorry, 325 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Greg Anthony at the point, walk Williams, Stacy Amant, the three, 326 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 1: Rashid and uh Brian Grant the four, Sabonus and Jamaine 327 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: nil at the five. So these are like real names. 328 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting back in this mug like, man, I 329 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm ever gonna play. But once I 330 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: got in there and got my feet wet a little bit, 331 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: and I realized I can get down with him a 332 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: little bit. You know. After about no a month or two, 333 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: I got my confidence together. Talk about she y'all know, y'all, 334 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: I know, y'all super close. You have partners in the 335 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: media space as well. What's what she means to you? Everything? 336 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: That's my brother man, and like he's been everything to me, 337 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, Like you know, I know we play around 338 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but people don't understand she's hard 339 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: and the type of person he is in real life. 340 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: You know, we all get a bad rap, you know, 341 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: from the Portland bullshit and all the stuff they try 342 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: to put on us. But in real life we're really 343 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: good people. And she's is an even better person I 344 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: could ever want to be because he's a true friend, 345 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, you know, any time 346 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: I've ever needed somebody to talk to, somebody to check 347 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: me and all this stuff, I can call she, you 348 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So it's been a blessing to 349 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: have him to kind of help me in my journey, 350 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, to be a big brother, 351 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: somebody would really can almost bow down to, you know 352 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of you know what I'm saying, 353 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: I could be brody and all that stuff. You know, 354 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 1: it's cool to have a big brother because I don't 355 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: have one. So you know, she has been great for me, 356 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: and you know when I went on this journey to 357 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: the HBCU. You know, people don't understand this that she 358 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: was supposed to be the head coach of the HBCU, 359 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: but Penny came in last minute and brought this and 360 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: he was like, Hey, let's just live together. We're gonna 361 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: help each other. So we lived together down in Memphis, 362 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: just been helping each other mentor And that's just what 363 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: big bros do, man. And you know, just to see 364 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: what he does and you know the type of person 365 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: he really really is, and you know, all the stuff 366 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: he does behind the scenes. People people don't know credit 367 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: all the stuff he does behind the scene. Man, just 368 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: to see that, you know, it's inspirational for me and 369 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: just kind of keeps me going, you know, and all 370 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: that good stuff. A year two in Portland, you played 371 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Big Medicine Playoffs. Were talking about this yesterday and you 372 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: was going at CODE, what was that series? Like, Man, 373 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: that's a piece of cold man. Like, you know, Man, 374 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: I was new, you know what I'm saying. I didn't 375 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: really know what they I didn't know the moment. You know, 376 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: I'm still my first time really playing and I was 377 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: just you know, I was competitive, so you know, Kobe Kobe. 378 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: Even though he was Kobe, he was still a young boy. 379 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: To mean, he was younger. So you know how I go. 380 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: You ain't gona letting no young boy get off, But 381 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna. I mean, I I guarded him well. 382 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: You know, we competed well. I competed well against him, 383 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: but we had great team defense. People don't understand the 384 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: reports of team defense. The only important understanding the ports 385 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: of who was behind me telling me to push him 386 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: here and pushing there. I got Scottie Pippen telling me 387 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: Rashid Wallace are two of the best defenders. Then I 388 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: got really some bonus was almost a real giant in 389 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: real life protecting the rim. So don't get me wrong. 390 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: I chested him and kind of kept him at bay. 391 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: But you know, it was a total team effort because 392 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, guys like him is unstoppable, you know what, 393 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: I know, the drill with him, you know, once he 394 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: gets to go on and this was afro Kobe, you know, 395 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, that's when he was uber within the basket, 396 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: uber athletic right leg you know, phades and all that, 397 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: and you know, but you know, just being able to 398 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: compete with him was was a blessing. And you know, 399 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: one of my biggest regrets, you know, since he's been going, 400 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: is that I never got to know him off the court. 401 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: You know, I only know him as a competitor, and 402 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: you know, I prayed to him a lot, you know 403 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, just talk to him in my 404 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: own way, like we all do, you know, But I 405 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: just that's one of my biggest regrets in basketball. But 406 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: you know, back then, you know, when no friends off 407 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: the court, once we could back and we ain't working 408 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: out with each other, hat we ain't cool. I'll see 409 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: you post career, but we ain't working out. I want 410 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: you to see my sauce. I don't want to, you know, 411 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: none of that. But yeah, that was one of my 412 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: biggest regrets that I didn't get a chance to And 413 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: when I see other interviews and all the stuff me 414 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: I was blessed to do the stuff, I just get 415 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: chills because you know, he was just such a great, 416 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: you know, person, human being, and he meant so much 417 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: for so many. Were talking to she yesterday and uh, 418 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: we asked him what was his point of view from 419 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: that lib that Kobe threw shock against ya when he 420 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: dumped on the whole organization, mr work. That's how it looked. 421 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: When I look at it, I get mad because I 422 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: was supposed to being Guarden cold and don't leave it 423 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: kind of switched the whole script up within the fourth 424 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: quarter and kind of went with the vetsy. I was 425 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: on code. He would never had no room to cross. 426 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: You know, if you ever go back and watch the tape, 427 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: he only think he did us a move like that 428 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: against me because I wasn't going so when he switched 429 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: to that, I'll think about it like that, like I 430 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: would never let that happen. But when you see it, 431 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: that just changed everything. And if y'll be honest, we 432 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: could have easily won those championships and our whole trajectory 433 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: in our lives could have been different, you know what 434 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: I mean, Like validated that's one of the best teams 435 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: never to win it. Yeah, no question. And if you 436 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: you know, if you add you know, if you ask Shacker, 437 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, I think Colvin might have said this that 438 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: they were just happy to get past us because we 439 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: were that was the final We was wearing an ass 440 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: out because we had so many good players. And don't 441 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: get me wrong, they have some great role players and 442 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: I hate to call the role players because we know 443 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: how tough it is to being a league and a 444 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: role player abust your ass. But league standard wise, their 445 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: role players always hurt you, you know, And you know 446 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: you get the Robbert Orris and the Brian Shaws, and 447 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: the d fish Is obviously as we know, and the 448 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: Devin George and those guys. They you know, they hit 449 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: big shots in big moments in But we could have 450 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: easily won the championship and we have. We could be 451 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: having a totally different conversation right now. What what do 452 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: you feel was it them? Was it the Western Conference? 453 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: How how come you feel you guys never really got 454 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: over the hump with those great Portland teams. This is 455 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: my conspiracy theory and we all talk about it, but 456 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: you know, the league is about money, and you know that. 457 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: You know, would you have to have a Western Conference 458 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: team and a small market like Portland's, Would you have 459 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: the glitz and glamor of a team like l A 460 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: and the finals every year with two of the most 461 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: marketable guys in the history of the league. You know, 462 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: it don't make you know, we thought they they we 463 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: thought were the jail Blazers. We're the guys that man, listen, 464 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna steal your person. Better hold the time if 465 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: they walked past. That's how they portrayed us. And you 466 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: know that the craziest thing is that when you get 467 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: a trade like that, that staining is something that can 468 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: never come off of you. When we you know, we've 469 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: dealt with. I've dealt with my whole career, and you know, 470 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: to be honest, I took the blunt, most of the 471 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: blunt of the stuff, and I was the one who 472 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: never really did ship, you know. I mean we talked 473 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: to Sheet about that yesterday. You know, when the media, 474 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: you know, labeled you guys to jail, Blazer and and 475 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: and and she said, like, yea, literally none of us 476 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: has ever been to jail, but it was just the 477 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: time where they said it. It stuck, and you guys 478 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: didn't have a platform to respond order to tell your 479 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,719 Speaker 1: side of the story. But like you said, I mean, 480 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: that ship stuck with you your entire career. You feel like, yeah, 481 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: and that's why we started let's get technical, you know. 482 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: And I appreciate my brother stack Man. You know when 483 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: we all first got into space man him, we should 484 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: talk a lot. I remember he first started and he 485 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: was like, man, it's time for us to tell our story. 486 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: He was like, man, it's a lot more more fucker's 487 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: out there like us than it is, like you know, 488 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: question he's just saying to me all the time. He 489 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: was like, man, people relate to your bonds and you 490 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: just gotta start telling your story. Because I was never 491 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: got to be talking and ship. I was never in 492 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: the media. He probably got no quotes from me because 493 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: I was I was just a hooper. I just wanted 494 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: to hoop, and he was like, you need to get 495 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: into it. I was kind of like naa. So I 496 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: watched him move and then he finally gave me the 497 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: confidence to do it and talk Sheet in the door 498 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: and you came, you came to New York. When I 499 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,479 Speaker 1: came to New York and saw y'all, I said, man, 500 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: this is what you do. And it motivated me so 501 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: much to do And I called Sheet when I left there, 502 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: and I was so hyping he wasn't hurting my voice, 503 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: and he agreed to it after about two years of 504 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: saying no, and you know, about two years of saying no, 505 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: but he you know, and then it just it's been 506 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: as you know, it's therapeutic, you know what I'm saying. 507 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: We got on narrative out there. We can talk our ship. 508 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: You know, people get to knows for the human side 509 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: instead of just the building that they portrayed us to be. 510 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: And because you know, people don't know, your perception is 511 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: their reality, you know what I'm saying, So people only 512 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: here reading associated presses of quotes of it we don't 513 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: did in the text and all the bulls and people 514 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: don't understand. We're just competitive. We're gonna get texts because 515 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: we really want to win, you know what I'm saying. 516 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: That text ship. As you know, you've seen the rests 517 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: be cheating and all that dumb ship. So a lot 518 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: of that ship was fluff anyway. But for the most part, 519 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: we was fighting for the name obviously on the front 520 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: of our jerseys, but we represent the name on back 521 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: of our jerseys the most part, you know, because the 522 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: family me and everything to us, and so they just 523 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: kind of had us twisted. But I'm just glad we 524 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: did this and you got your brothers, you know, you 525 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: gave me the confidence and to see y'all just to 526 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: kind of put our own narrative out there. Now, I 527 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: think it's needful. I mean forever it's been other people 528 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: telling our stories. You don't have nothing to do. So um, 529 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: when you think back on your run, your first five 530 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: years in Portland, yeah, I mean Western Conference finals instead 531 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: of franchise record at the time forty five points in 532 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: two thousand three, what's your fondest memory of that running? 533 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: Your experience, whether it be on or off the court, 534 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean the court on the court is basketball, but 535 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: just off the court, you know, if you knew us 536 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: off the court, man, like we were so crewe thick brothers, 537 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, anywhere we go, 538 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: we ten eleven, twelve deep. You know what I'm saying. 539 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: You know Stack, you know here tell a funny story. 540 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: But we ain't gonna tell him. You know, we get 541 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: forty five on y'all. If you and ship with me, 542 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: ship with me. I'm trying to. I just want to 543 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: know who you had? Party five? It was a playoff 544 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: game too. Who's that Dallas man? You know that somewhere 545 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: state Kmart State, you know Kmarche Town. You know the 546 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: old Cliff Boys was in the building. You know hype 547 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,239 Speaker 1: Party five, Yeah, forty five it was they beat us 548 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: in seven games, but Dirk had forty six in game 549 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 1: one at forty five game too. Okay, Yeah, and then 550 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 1: kind of what helped us a lot that Joel Blazers 551 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: rep was kind of like the best bodyguard we could 552 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: ever have to Blazers lead him. Yeah, so you know, 553 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: kind of that helped a lot too. And if you 554 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: know what's in real life, you know, you know that 555 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: bullshit we ain't playing with. You know you're gonna be 556 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: able to handle us with people on the team that 557 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: was not to be played with Brian Grant. Now, if 558 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: you handle us, you know it's gonna be a problem. 559 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 1: But we ain't never get pushed to that really to 560 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: that extent. Officially, you don't have official stuff that people 561 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: don't know about, but but it was just really the look, 562 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't you know what people really knew about y'alls 563 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: with the media painted at all time. After Portland, you 564 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: make a few different stops, Memphis, Sacrament of Houston, New 565 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 1: Orleans played really well and with all those teams did 566 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: what was your from what I remember was the motherfucking monster. 567 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: You can talk all the ship you want, but I'm 568 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: just trying to make sure that we're talking. What do 569 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: you remember about that last kind of the the last 570 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: half of your career. Man, I started traveling around a 571 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: little bit, and I remember the first time, you know, 572 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: getting away from you know, Portland, I went to Memphis. 573 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't even trying to be cool one of them 574 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: dudes that I'm so Portland. I'm over here, like, man, 575 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, shame batty. You know what I'm saying. You 576 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, pala soul, you know what. I 577 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: don't even really you know, before I met him, Know, 578 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I don't really funk with your dudes 579 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: like that. So then you know, something like, okay, they 580 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: got my boy ram and resting piece of my boiler 581 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: Rens and right right, you know that was one of 582 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: him and Posey, James Posey one of the first two, 583 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: the Earl Watson only one of the first three dudes. 584 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: I still big hair Earl last night. So I'm messing 585 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: with them news and coming to find out. Jason Williams 586 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: White Chocolate is one of the funniest and the coolest 587 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: white boys boys in the history whiteness. Man, listen, in 588 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: the history of white boys, Jason willis I mean he's However, 589 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: he literally just texted me this morning he said, I'm 590 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: being so Callot's put one in the air, like literally, 591 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: the more his motherfucking world, he'll tell you a five 592 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: minute joke and he'll do magic tricks like he got 593 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: a country as accents when he listened to random and 594 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: he had chained smoker. Yeah, we went golfing one day. 595 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: Eighteen holes is motherfucker smoked twelve at least holy and 596 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: we're still nicest golf though, too, the nicest. I said, 597 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: yes when I got there. You know, Memphis, Memphis was 598 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: a good stop for me, man, because Memphis was my 599 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: first chance to kind of branching out a little bit. 600 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: But what I really had a great stop that was 601 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: in Houston. You know, she was my first time being 602 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: in the city where you got more than just we're 603 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: the only game in town. Portland on the game in town. 604 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: Memphis were on the game in town. Sack was on 605 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: the game in town. So now I'm in Houston. You know, 606 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: I linked on my boy's big fifty down there. You know, 607 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: he kind of runs the city, kind of put me 608 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: onto everything and you know, kind of just let me 609 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: get move around a little bit. I'm at the concerts, 610 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: baseball games, football games, and daughter lit parties and all 611 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: this was doing this in Portland, so you know, Houston 612 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: was probably one of my best stops. You had, you 613 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: had a list of real good coaches are done leaving 614 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: Hubby Brown, Van Gundy, Adaman? Uh? Any of those guys 615 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: your favorite or who did you feel like he really 616 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: picked stuff up from? Man? I know who I don't 617 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: funk with. I like to hear that to us for Tello, 618 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: Mike for Tello. Here's at Memphis. Yeah, yeah, asshole. Him 619 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: and Jeff Van Gundy like assholes. You know what I'm saying. 620 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 1: In real life, you know what I'm saying. But don't 621 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: get me wrong, they can coach their ass off, but 622 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: in real life assholes. And I don't care about saying that. 623 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 1: Ship you know, but it's all the smoke here. But 624 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: I really like the way Hugh boy, Hubby Brown was 625 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: all about Brown because he's looking your like he you know, 626 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: because I loved him because he had come up to 627 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: us and he's the point that me and j Willing, 628 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: all the guys and he from the old schools, so 629 00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: he don't know about smoking weed. He called us to 630 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: coking freebase guys. He was like, man that he was 631 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: on the powder, they on coping, because he'd he'd be 632 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: back in the day. He think we all had this 633 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: only things. So he was the coking free base crew. 634 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: Me poy, he don't even know pose them don't even smoke. 635 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 1: But he just thought we all crewed up. Like, yeah, 636 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: I don't hang with him. Let coking free bays. That's 637 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: so funny because talking ship. But he was just a 638 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: real one. He has come to us every day. He's back. Listen, 639 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 1: I got about nine of you motherfucker's that can play 640 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: in Pollasolis our man, they're gonna play six minutes or 641 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: six minutes off. I don't give a funk who starts. 642 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: And we did that ship my first year in Memphis, 643 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: and you know, and it wasn't like hard practice. It 644 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: was just consistent stuff every day. And I learned so 645 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: much about the game in terms of execution, you know, 646 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: being consistent. And he be was just a teacher. You know, 647 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: he was teaching us like a motherfucking I was. You know, 648 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm coming off Portland and ship. You know, Portland was 649 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: wind the motherfuckering. I really had to set out and 650 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: learn the game. So he taught me so much about 651 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: the game. And like I said, Jeff Van Gundy is 652 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: a great coach too. He knows that he knows the game. 653 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: He like if he wrote a thesis on the game 654 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,239 Speaker 1: of basketball, a fucking plus did getting but you know, 655 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: just being cool and trying to teach the game to 656 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: look at him like, no, I'm straight man, because you 657 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: ain't even know type of motherfucker I want to learn 658 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: from you know what I'm saying. So and that's just 659 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: been the mindset, just reality, you know what I'm saying. 660 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: But he knows, but he knows the game. But if 661 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: he gives you that game, then get that that played 662 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: book before the year, that heavy, it was this thick. 663 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: We had the thesis in your life. I know somebody 664 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: who did for me? What about you? You know, damn 665 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: we I don't even know what it is. That's why 666 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to do. And I'm a college graduate though, Yeah, 667 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: that's why I'm That's why I'm asking this the motherfucker. 668 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: On a serious note, um man, you we're on Big 669 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: three time. We were really talking about getting this shape 670 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: and doing a lot of things together, and that's also 671 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: playing the game. But while we were playing, you went 672 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: to some real stuff, your stuff at the artitack, and 673 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: you know, it really fucked me up because you know, 674 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: you're my real friend and you were just going through 675 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: a lot of the time, and then we didn't know, 676 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, you really weren't telling us. You know what 677 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: I'm saying. We had to find out, you know, when 678 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: when you when you ever really was in the hospital 679 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: and everything I went down. But talk about going through that, bro, 680 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 1: and and you know, staying strong through all that and 681 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: you know, trying to figure out what was next, because 682 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's what that's really what you was going 683 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: through that whole time. We was trying to figure out 684 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: what was next for all of us. Yeah, man, hold 685 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: on second, bro. It's tough times. But I know it's tough. 686 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: Hold on a second, take your time. Yeah, man, I 687 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: can't blow yell whatever to me in here crying. Huh 688 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: s We was crying together. You want a second, bro, Gonda, 689 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: take your time, bro. I mean that's the moment we 690 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: was in the whole time. That's all we could do, 691 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: all right, ready my phone. But yeah, man, it was 692 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: it was a tough time man, for you know, myself, 693 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: my family, you know when you go through something like that, 694 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: you know you don't you know us We can feel 695 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: invincible at times you feel like you realize you're not. 696 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: It's not invincible right in that moment, think about your children, parents, 697 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: your brothers and sister taught me everybuddy. I just remember 698 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: when I was kind of going through it and I 699 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: fell out of my house. My son and family say, 700 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: but give me to the hospital. See his face, crying 701 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: came hard. It kill me given more than the paint 702 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: was through. It's my baby, it's my son. He's twenty 703 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: two years old. I saw him as a baby. Did 704 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: you notice. Mhm. It was tough, you know, to change 705 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: my life forever because you know, I love different Now. 706 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to tell us my love him. Now, 707 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: I'm afraid to be be me, you know what I'm saying. 708 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: Like I was more reserved later back, more important to 709 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: people now, you know, pouring to them in different ways, 710 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, me and joke and play, but that's why 711 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 1: we're pouring to each other here. It's love, you know, 712 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: and you know I just do that more down than anything, 713 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, because life's too short. I know it now. 714 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: I was forty years old, you know, fidays for my 715 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: birthday just kind of let should go through stuff like that. Man, 716 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: just be thankful for every day, you know. With this 717 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 1: HBC stuff, came around to was God just working in 718 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: my life and this stuff that's been stacking them for 719 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: me ever since. And you know, I appreciate guys like yourself, 720 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: Kmart and my brothers who always keep me encouraged and 721 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: always checking on me and all that ship. And I 722 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: never even played with these dudes, you know what I'm saying, 723 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: but they just know we real ones and they were 724 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: just clicked up. And I just appreciate, you know, everything. 725 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: But you know, when you go through that, you just 726 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: you know, you know who loves you for real too. 727 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: You know, you learn a lot about people, you know, 728 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: and there's some people that are senior vanilla texting like 729 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: you're okay, But it's some people that really make sure 730 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: you're okay, you know. And you know, I just really 731 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: appreciate my children around that time, just you know, being there. 732 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm just you know this, every day I try to 733 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: be a good dad. I try to be a present 734 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: dad most best I possibly can. And I'm trying to 735 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: be even better son than my father. And you know, 736 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: because you know, parents are getting older, and you know, 737 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: so I try to spend more time with them and 738 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: understand what's most important. And you know, funck this hoop 739 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: ship suck the money and all that bullshit. Families and 740 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: memories the only thing that's important to me now, and 741 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, and that's what I try to do. And 742 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: I know this basketball keeps me away from my family 743 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: and you know, back in Indiana or whatever. But I 744 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: know God got me on the mission to touch more 745 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: than just my family, and that's just what I'm doing. 746 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: So and I'm thankful for every day. And you know, 747 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: I just like I said, I don't take it for granted. 748 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing that with us. Good Yeah, def 749 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: your glasses go ahead. Man. Favorite part about retirement and 750 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: the hardest part about transitioning from something you've done your 751 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: entire life into that next phase of your life. Man. 752 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: You know, you know when you think about when I 753 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: think about my career, you know I wasn't blessed enough. 754 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: You know, like I said, rest in peace code to 755 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: have the Kobe fairwere tour. You know where everybody was. 756 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: You know, this my last year. Hey, I'm done this 757 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: my last year. You know, I kind of in my 758 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: mind got kicked out the legal a little bit, so 759 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: it was a little different. I remember, I'm after year ten. 760 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: You know, I'm just fresh off averaging twenties five in 761 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: the playoffs. So now I can't even get a job 762 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: as a fifteenth man. So you know, that doesn't do 763 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: a lot on the psyche. And you know, I didn't 764 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: know it, but you know what I'm saying, I didn't 765 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: realize what I was going through mentally, and people don't 766 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: really understand how much we really go through when the 767 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: cheering stops. You know what I'm saying, People don't truly 768 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: understand what we go through because that's all we used 769 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: to is rocking the crowds and whooping and doing this 770 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: and that. And you know, I'm thirty two years old, 771 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: thirty three, and I'm knowing I still got a little 772 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: bit of action still in me, you know what I mean. 773 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't get a job, I couldn't play him. You know, 774 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: I end up going to China. No disrespect to China, 775 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: but it's like, oh nine, I'm like one of the 776 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: first real team of NBA players to go to China. 777 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: It's serious over there. But I'm over here shitty Maan. 778 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: It was like forty, I'm shifty because I can't and 779 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm a league dude, you know what I mean. I'm like, 780 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to come back here. So and it was 781 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: tough for me. So like between like two thousand nine 782 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: and two thousand fourteen, I don't even really remember that 783 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: ship because you know, I was going through it so 784 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: much mentally. I was just I remember all that time, 785 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: I was just partying. I was out the league. I 786 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: was partying, I was gambling every day. I was chasing, 787 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And she ended up losing 788 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: my woman, my kids, you know, every you know, all 789 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: this ship goes when you're out the league and all 790 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: that ship, you know what I'm saying. So I was 791 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: just going through all that bullshit and I just remember 792 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: just just having a dark day and I probably needed 793 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: to talk to somebody. You know, we all, you know, 794 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: but we're too badly to talk to people. And I 795 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: just remember, and I just really appreciated my hugging every 796 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: time I saying. It was like two thousand fourteen, I'm 797 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: sitting back and I was having a pitty party for myself, 798 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: and I end up watching Irish and had a dock 799 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: and he was talking about what he was going through too. 800 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: In two thousand nine when the phone stopped ringing and 801 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: he was going through all this ship and I just 802 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,919 Speaker 1: remember to start crying like a motherfucker, and I was like, damn, 803 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: it wasn't just me. I kind of I didn't have 804 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: his number, but I wanted to reach out to him 805 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: to kind of helped me snap out of it and 806 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: kind of just get on all my life, you know 807 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I was just you know, helped 808 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 1: me tremendously, but I probably need to talk to somebody. 809 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: But I just appreciate that document and when I watched 810 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: it and not its all like ship, I'm having a 811 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,320 Speaker 1: pity party, like it's just me. But I wasn't thankful 812 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: for all this stuff God had already given me. You 813 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm already worried about the stuff 814 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: that you know, but I was. You know, I'm from 815 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: the hood, you know, I ain't never had nothing. My 816 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: family is huge. I was able to put my brother's 817 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: sister through college by my parents, homes do all the 818 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 1: ship that we do. So I didn't think about those 819 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: blessings I was worried about the other ship. So I 820 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: kind of snapped out of it and start moving on 821 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: my life. So I started volunteering more, became a volunteer coach, 822 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: but a volunteer at a high school about an hour 823 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,879 Speaker 1: and a half of me every single day. For five years, 824 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: I was driving an hour and a half every day. 825 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: St I could tell you every day, just kind of 826 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: just pouring into the kids, like, man, that's what I'm 827 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 1: gonna do. I don't care if people laughing, aw you gooking, 828 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: Like man, we'll wake up early, like five six and 829 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: the money to get on the game. But by times, 830 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: trying to ate something seven class something you gotta drive 831 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: out of the school. And so I'm doing that and 832 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: I just like, I just want to do this to 833 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: make sure I love this ship. You know, I don't 834 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: do it for fame. I don't do it for cloud. 835 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: And that's why I loved what the HBC real I'm 836 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: going because if you see where we're at, this is 837 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: the you know, it's tough HBC. You know, I'm from Indiana. 838 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 1: We don't know about HBC U s there, we don't 839 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: have any. So when I got you know, I've always 840 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: been a guy will support HBCUs and all that ship. 841 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: But now I see it, they got to support a 842 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: spc US for real, not just in shirts and all 843 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: that type stuff. Not just support the big ones. It's 844 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: a lot of small ones out there that people don't 845 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 1: understand that ten thousand dollars fifty a hundred dollar dollars 846 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: and float their whole program. I get all types of stuff, 847 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: like and all our schools, we've been through a lot 848 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: of buildings from the fifties and sixty. We don't have 849 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: no new facilities, So nobody's gonna come to optic Wise. 850 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna come to your school optic Wise because these 851 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: other big schools got all the glittal and glamours are 852 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: easy to go there. So it makes it so tough 853 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 1: stay consistent, make bringing in money and bringing in top talents. 854 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: So so when I see these people, you know, donating 855 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: tens and twenty whatever to these top schools, I'm like, 856 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: man'll just broke down a million dollars in a ten 857 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: little small schools. Man, I just don't even understand what 858 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: that would do. So that's why I just be trying to, Like, 859 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, I watched Dion every single day you know, 860 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: I'm watching his quotes and watch how he moved, and 861 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, let's just do that on the basketball side, 862 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: you know, let's do everything we can. I know I'm 863 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 1: at a D two, but I represent all the HBCUs, 864 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: you know, and I'll just be trying to do what 865 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: I can. And when I was doing this showcase, like 866 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: I said, I got emotional just kind of seeing these 867 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: young fellows kind of I'm looking at all these tags 868 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: and these different names of these teams, just looking at 869 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: these kids are walking around. I'm like, Damn, I did 870 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: these you know, we did this for these young fellas 871 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: and just only get in the beginning. So you know, 872 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 1: I'm so excited about how moving right now. Even even 873 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: I went to the game Dog and Justice for the 874 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: players to see our relationship. When I was able to 875 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: go in the locker room and go like they was 876 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,759 Speaker 1: they was it all because y'all see how we talk 877 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: to each other. But they was in allder to see us. 878 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: That cool, you know what I mean. Then I was 879 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: able to talk to some some of the last if I 880 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: had going on. It was the perfect time to come 881 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: talk to them kids, you know, just to see the 882 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: effect he having on on all those players and even 883 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: other kids on the other teams, was come and talk 884 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: to him after the game. That's what they need. They 885 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,359 Speaker 1: need players like us have done it to show up 886 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: and show them that, you know what I'm saying, we're 887 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: here to help y'all get us. So y'all don't have 888 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: to go through the ship we went through. I mean 889 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,800 Speaker 1: your journey, you know well documented. You open up about 890 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:27,879 Speaker 1: your struggles. What would you tell a younger player about 891 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,280 Speaker 1: some of that stepping into the journey we've all taken. 892 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I know it's ear hustling earlier, 893 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 1: but he's gotta listen, man, you gotta really listen and 894 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 1: stay humble. Like I told my kids all the time, 895 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: I don't care how high or a lot, you know, 896 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: how high you get, you gotta stay humble. Because we 897 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: all seen the ship go from zero to a hunter, 898 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: but we obviously don't go from a hundreds of zero quick. 899 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: And you know, we've all pupped our chest out a 900 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: little bit one day and then baship happened to us 901 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: the next moment. So I tell these kids, stay humble, 902 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: just work, you know, I do a little dumb ship 903 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: his shirts made and all that ship with all my 904 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: little one liners and quotes, and I wear my practice 905 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: and I post them online and it because that's just 906 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,879 Speaker 1: the reality of this ship, because you know, we all 907 00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 1: know it's somebody out there working a little bit harder 908 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: than us to try to get our job or our 909 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: spot or whatever funk we got going on. So I 910 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: just tell our guy to stay humble and work. Who 911 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: and what got you into coaching? We all coaches in 912 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: real life. We got kids, You're gonna coach a you, 913 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna do stuff. I got five sons, so you know, 914 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: I've always boy. So I've always been a you know, 915 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: a you dad and dad is you know, and then 916 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: when we hoop, you come back, you run your camps. 917 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: You're always kind of in the gym. But just like 918 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: I said, um, I just wanted to just start volunteering 919 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: to make sure I love it and just became a process. 920 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: I did it almost five years and when this opportunity came, 921 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 1: I just prayed on it and I'm just I just 922 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: keep remember talking about it. Yeah you know what I was, 923 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: You know, I was on the fence. So I'm just 924 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, people don't I mean, I'm not overly spiritual, 925 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: but my grandfather was a pastor, you know, someone a 926 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: real you know, a real he you know, deep in 927 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: church family. But I really believe in the power of prayer, 928 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: you know, and I just let God work in my 929 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,840 Speaker 1: life and he's been working. Give me five dinner against 930 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: dead alive. I'm family are in it. See. I want 931 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: my uncle, my cousin, she passed my cousin dabbye Michael Marville, 932 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: my grandfather. You know all the people I can't get back, 933 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't you know. I would love to talk to 934 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,720 Speaker 1: some people that I don't know, but f families everything 935 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:19,360 Speaker 1: for me. Album you can listen to with no skips, 936 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: no skips, how many how many picks I get? However 937 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: you want to give us three of them? Damn a 938 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 1: reasonable doubt. Jay Z for sure should have been triple. 939 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: I'm a here huge m j G ball, m j 940 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:35,399 Speaker 1: G fan. So I'm a huge so dank what's that? 941 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 1: The space age pimp and c D And then I'm 942 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: a huge thing. I got between you G King and 943 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 1: Ghetto Boys, you know their resurrection Ghetto Boys, huge Ghetto 944 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,120 Speaker 1: Boys fans shout out the scarface, you know, one of 945 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: the first dudes to pick me up when I got 946 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,719 Speaker 1: to Houston to show me around. Yeah, and I'm a 947 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,879 Speaker 1: huge U. G. K fan, you know, Rest in Peace pimp. 948 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: But I just you know, we're from the Midwest, so 949 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: we don't really have a you know, a sound like 950 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: that we have. You know, you know, up in Chigan, 951 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: you don't have this sounds and stuff, but we don't 952 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, twisting them in Chicago. But in Indiana, we 953 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: don't have a sound. So we flirt with everything. So 954 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: those are my some of my favorites. The first thing 955 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: you do when you wake up, the last thing you 956 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 1: do before you go to bed. And I'm gonna get 957 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: up and prey for sure. You know, I'm gonna get 958 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: up and talk to guy before I get But then 959 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: at my age, I stretched. I gotta stretched, Yeah, because 960 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: I still get out there with the kids. You know 961 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, baby talking that fly ship, and I'll 962 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: be trying to get let them know. And I still 963 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: got some action. You know, I ain't moving too bad. 964 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 1: I'm just getting a little ask but that stuff still 965 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: is real. So I stretch a lot, and really I 966 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: try to go golf, you know, that's one of the 967 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: first thing I'm trying to do golf every single day. 968 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 1: Golf changed my life. You know, Golf got me in 969 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: a whole another world, got me around different people. You know, 970 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm you know, when I used to come home in 971 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: the summertime, I'm in the hood, I'm we're over that 972 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,239 Speaker 1: shooting dice, stay over there, We're doing all the fun ship. 973 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: So now when I'm coming home now, I'm on the 974 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 1: golf course trying to play thirty six holds, So it 975 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,439 Speaker 1: kind of weeded out. You know, some of my friends, 976 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: like I see them in the shorter term instead of 977 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: you know, seeing them all day. But no, you know, 978 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: golf is therapeutic too, you know, kind of got to 979 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: clear your mind. You hit the ball. You know, I've 980 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,520 Speaker 1: been playing twenty years, so I don't got pretty good. 981 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: So you know, people don't expect me to be good, 982 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: so I always kind of play I hate I'm telling 983 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: people now, but always kind of play like I'm no 984 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: good and kind of as I don't even know the rules, 985 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 1: but I gotta hear how good he is daily and 986 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 1: I don't even know the rules tied of here and 987 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,600 Speaker 1: that ship. If you can have one guest on all 988 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: the smoke, who would it be? But you have to 989 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: help us get your answer on the show. I mean, 990 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 1: I haven't had jay Z have you You don't know hoes, 991 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, but we can. We gotta be somebody. 992 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: You can't you here. I just said, they gotta be somebody. 993 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: You know. We don't shook holes handle phone so we 994 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: can out like you don't know so were you're talking about, 995 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: we can't reach out the hold here, gonna say, what's 996 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: up Bossy? What's up? Stacking Matt the funk? Can I 997 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: ask you the question again? Go ahead? I'm just saying, 998 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,799 Speaker 1: can I help you get kind kind of asking the 999 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: question again? Go ahead? Because you gotta you know, you 1000 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: speak with a list, and I ask you a question, 1001 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: you speak cut your mother, Funcker. I don't even know 1002 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,440 Speaker 1: what you'd be saying all the time. Go ahead. If 1003 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: you had a guest, if you could see a guest 1004 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: on the show, see mother to see with my eyes, 1005 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: yes them too. Yeah. If you can see somebody on 1006 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: this show, who would it be? But you have to 1007 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: get them on this show. I would have to call him. Yes, nigger, 1008 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: I think I really like and you know I'm all 1009 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: about brotherhood. I really need to get Damon on here. Yeah, 1010 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: Mighty Mount. Need to get on him. Yes, st call 1011 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: Stoddy Man. You know Stoddy. I really appreciate him all 1012 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 1: year long. He kind of helped me in my process. 1013 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: Man talked to him about the coach and if you 1014 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: ever talked to Dame, he's real like laid back, he 1015 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: talked slow like man, you know, you know I got that. 1016 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: You know what Dame is, and you know, I'm just 1017 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: proud of him. You know he's doing big things. You 1018 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,840 Speaker 1: know they got beating the finals in Boston, but you 1019 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: know they were there, and you know he's doing this thing. 1020 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: But dam it will be a great guest. And I 1021 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: can definitely call him right now and get yeah, you 1022 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,880 Speaker 1: know him. I know you know he's out here right now. 1023 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: He can get here tomorrow. All right, Cool, we need 1024 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: their love. Got you what that is? Yeah? Man, this 1025 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,120 Speaker 1: is the legends and collapse. So this is for you. 1026 00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 1: Thank you, my brothers. I appreciate you. We appreciate you. 1027 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: Man don't do that. But makes six exes, But I 1028 00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: got you a six x wife beater in there and 1029 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: a nice little bikini for you. He no longer not 1030 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: because I'm a power guards. You know what it makes 1031 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:14,200 Speaker 1: people like me power guards, no more man, everybody, Yeah, man, 1032 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: could you imagine me in today's game? Y'all bad man punishing? 1033 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: They couldn't play Draymond Green at the center in the game. No, No, 1034 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 1: I love Draymond Love. We all love them to death. 1035 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: Different animals. Yeah, well, bondsy Man, we want to thank 1036 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: you for coming through and and and the worst episodes, 1037 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: but to really open up and be vulnerable all bushi decide. Man, 1038 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 1: we appreciate you. We love what you're doing, man, beautiful things. 1039 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: Like you said, it's a mission now you love different 1040 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: So we love to hear that. We appreciate that, man, 1041 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 1: So thank you now prettr time, good luck with everything. Man. 1042 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: You can catch this bondsy Wells episode on Showtime Basketball 1043 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,640 Speaker 1: and the I Heart Platform Black Effects. We'll see you 1044 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 1: all next week.