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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts.

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Speaker 2: Giants, dont get out my Giants Bubblo, give me some job.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Giants Huddle Podcast, brought to you by Citizens,

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Speaker 3: the official.

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Speaker 1: Bank of the New York Giants. It's Week thirteen.

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Speaker 3: I'm Madeleine Burke here with the Super Bowl champ of

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Speaker 3: Money Tumor for a rapid reaction. The Giants went down

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Speaker 3: to Dallas, fell to the Cowboys twenty seven twenty as

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Speaker 3: the final score, but the money the storyline coming into

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Speaker 3: this game a change at quarterback. Tommy DeVito dealing with

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Speaker 3: some forearm soreness wasn't good to go, so it was

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Speaker 3: Drew Lock getting his first start of the season for

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Speaker 3: the Giants.

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Speaker 1: What'd you see from Drew Lock today?

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Speaker 4: Well, I felt like he had a lot of adversity.

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Speaker 4: I was getting hit constantly, but found a way to compete.

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Speaker 2: Was very prepared.

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Speaker 4: Did not look like he was over out of his

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Speaker 4: uh out of his over skis because he just seemed

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Speaker 4: like he had control of this offense and gave them

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Speaker 4: a great opportunity to win this game.

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Speaker 2: What really turned the game around? I think for the Giants.

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Speaker 4: Was the mistakes, the fact that they had nine penalties

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Speaker 4: at nine penalties for ninety eight yards.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, thirteen penalties for ninety eight yards.

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Speaker 4: I knew there was a nine in there somewhere, but

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Speaker 4: that to me was what really ended the game, tilted

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Speaker 4: the game to the cowboys favor. Also the turnovers as well,

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Speaker 4: the two turnovers one pick six giving away points and

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Speaker 4: ended up being they end up giving away six points

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Speaker 4: with the extra point seven and it was twenty.

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Speaker 2: It was twenty seven to twenty.

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Speaker 4: That probably was the turning point and at the end,

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Speaker 4: that's what ultimately was the termining factor, at the turnover

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Speaker 4: that led to points.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, between the pick six that actually led to points

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Speaker 3: or the ninety eight yards of penalties, it's essentially the

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Speaker 3: length of the field right there and what finishes a

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Speaker 3: one possession game.

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Speaker 1: That's something you definitely look at.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Drew lock under pressure, of course, Giants starting

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Speaker 3: tackles both out. You know, Jermaine aluminor out of this game,

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Speaker 3: wasn't well enough to go on the short week obviously,

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Speaker 3: Andrew Thomas with the list franks out for the season,

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Speaker 3: you got Chris Hubbard and Evan Neil starting at the

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Speaker 3: tackle position, and drew Lock was getting beat up back

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Speaker 3: there today. He got sacked six times. Despite that, though

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Speaker 3: the first offensive drive, the Giants moved the ball down

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Speaker 3: the field. Drew Lock had a twenty eight yard run

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Speaker 3: to get them to the one yard line. Tyrone Tracy

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Speaker 3: punches it in for a touchdown and the Giants took

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Speaker 3: the lead in the first quarter. It was the first

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Speaker 3: time they had a lead since Week five at Seattle,

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Speaker 3: and they continued to press. They were They fell behind,

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Speaker 3: but then down twenty seven to thirteen in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 3: they played a little hurry up. They played with a

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Speaker 3: little bit of tempo, got down the field, scored, drew

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Speaker 3: Lock rented in, this time for a six yard rushing touchdown.

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Speaker 3: They tried to get the ball back but Dallas held

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Speaker 3: onto it and the clock expired. But again, the fact

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Speaker 3: that they were able to make it a game late

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Speaker 3: that said something that shows you a little bit of

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Speaker 3: fight in this team that despite the now two and

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Speaker 3: ten record, they are still pressing for it.

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Speaker 4: Wow, you just said a two and ten record. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they are p That's a tough thing to overcome. I mean,

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Speaker 4: no matter how you slice it, that looks very disappointing,

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Speaker 4: very daunting. But you look at this team and you

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Speaker 4: look at the effort, you know, just the overall effort

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Speaker 4: in terms of how they're competing, how they're preparing. It's

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Speaker 4: just the details that this team is missing out on,

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Speaker 4: and I feel like, you know, if they can tackle better,

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Speaker 4: all the mistackles. I think there was at some point

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Speaker 4: in the gamer when the announcer said that there was

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Speaker 4: they had the Cowboys had eighty yards after contact.

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Speaker 3: That not just the Caboy's Brecodoubtl who had his first

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Speaker 3: hundred yard rushing game of his career, one hundred yard

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Speaker 3: rushing and eighty of those yards came after contact, Which

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Speaker 3: just shows that tackling, which is a point of emphasis

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Speaker 3: for the Giants team the best several weeks, continues to be.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny that that it's coming up now, because

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Speaker 4: tackling is something that you deal with in the preseason,

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Speaker 4: you deal within the offseason, You constantly are drilling it,

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Speaker 4: and by now it's almost too late to say, oh,

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Speaker 4: we got to learn how to tackle better. You're two

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Speaker 4: and ten, you're twelve games into the season and you're

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Speaker 4: talking about tackling. That is a big red flag when

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Speaker 4: it comes to a team that wants to compete and

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Speaker 4: win at the NFL level in.

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Speaker 2: Any at any level.

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Speaker 4: She was not just the NFL any level, because the

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Speaker 4: whole game is about blocking and tackling, and our offensive

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Speaker 4: line has struggle blocking. Drew Luck showed the worse for

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Speaker 4: wear after the game and the eighty yards after contact

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Speaker 4: by from Dowd from the from Dowdo Rico Dowdle.

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Speaker 2: That to me is that says a lot right there,

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Speaker 2: Hoddle up, get in here.

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Speaker 4: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

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Speaker 4: middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 1: How do we make that happen? I don't know?

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Speaker 3: But Citizens?

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Speaker 2: Does it makes sense of your money with Citizens? Official

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Speaker 2: Bank of Eli Manning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, when you look at the the way the

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Speaker 3: Giants offense was going. One of the things that Malik

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Speaker 3: Neighbors had talked about after the game last week was

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Speaker 3: that he was a little disappointed he didn't get any

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Speaker 3: looks in the first half last Sunday's lost to the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: He talked about it earlier this week in the locker room, saying,

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Speaker 3: you know what, it's important for me to get going early.

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Speaker 3: So I can get into the rhythm of a game.

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Speaker 3: I know that as the all time leading receiver on

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Speaker 1: But also you know, this is a rookie.

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Speaker 3: He did get involved early on in the game. How

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Speaker 3: much do you think that changed his performance today?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think he performed well for a rookie.

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Speaker 4: But I feel like, you know, if you get thirteen

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Speaker 4: targets and you have eight carry, eight catches and you're

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Speaker 4: getting under one hundred yards, that's a problem. That's not

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Speaker 4: enough yards per carry. You're not breaking open a game

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Speaker 4: with all those targets, receptions.

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Speaker 2: What have you.

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Speaker 4: And you know, then there are some drops that that

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Speaker 4: have happened. I don't mean to be getting on him,

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Speaker 4: but I'm just telling him that this is not you know,

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Speaker 4: it's not it's not college anymore. You can't just say, oh,

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Speaker 4: I want the ball, I want the ball, and then

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Speaker 4: don't produce and then expect to keep getting the ball.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I just it's it's very difficult for me

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Speaker 2: Not producing well.

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Speaker 1: And you mentioned too, the drops.

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Speaker 3: It's not it's not that he was, you know, dropping

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Speaker 3: the ball, fumbling the ball and turning it over. But

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Speaker 3: you know, momentum is a word that we hear a

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Speaker 3: And when you've got a big play like that where

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Speaker 3: the drop comes up, that that can be a drive killer.

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Speaker 2: You've said in the past, Yeah, drops or drive killers.

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Speaker 4: Right, you are where you're probably close or near to

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Speaker 4: that's either you're going to catch the ball, you stay

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Speaker 4: on the field, you drop the ball. Your whole offense

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Speaker 4: how dramatic drops are, and for young receivers, I don't

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Speaker 4: and one drive could end the game. You know, you know,

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Speaker 4: you don't have endless amount of opportunities to score, and

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Speaker 4: if you don't catch the balls that are thrown to

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Speaker 4: you and make use of every opportunity that you get.

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Speaker 2: And just throw away opportunities.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's in a situation now where he's never

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Speaker 4: he is now.

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Speaker 3: Right, And of course he's not the only player on

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Speaker 3: the Giants who struggled with dropping the ball. He is

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Speaker 3: But when we talk about this rookie class too, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, speaking of rookie mistakes, you know Tyrone Tracy,

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Speaker 3: he's had some issues recent weeks fumbling the ball, and

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Speaker 3: despite the fact that he leads all rookies in rushing

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Speaker 3: yards this season, you know, Devin Singletary gets to start

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Speaker 3: stop Tracy from production though. He gets on the field

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Speaker 3: back and work his way back, because these mistakes happen

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Speaker 3: when you have a young team. Another young player, though,

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Speaker 3: that really made an impact today is Theo Johnson, the

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Speaker 3: You know, we've seen him in moments and in flashes

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Speaker 3: throughout the season, but it seemed like, especially in that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I really was impressed the physicality that he plays

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Speaker 4: with once he gets the ball. You know a lot

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Speaker 4: they just kind of roll down. He was give delivering blows,

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Speaker 4: stepping through tackles, getting those extra five six yards that

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Speaker 2: And you know, five for five targets.

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Speaker 4: Those are the types of numbers that you know, players

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Speaker 4: who don't get the ball a lot tend to cherish

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Speaker 4: every opportunity, and THEO Johnson this year hasn't been blessed

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Speaker 2: That's what you should do as a player.

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Speaker 4: You should every time the ball gets thrown to you take.

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Speaker 2: Full advantage of it.

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Speaker 4: And when you watch THEO Johnson, every time he gets

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Speaker 4: running like this could be his last player, his whole entire,

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Speaker 4: his whole career, and I love watching him play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great seeing it, and it's great watching the

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Speaker 3: development of the young team. Know, when you look at

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Speaker 3: the Giants defense as a whole, earlier this season, Giants

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Speaker 3: defense was leading the league in sacks, headlined by Dexter Lawrence,

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Speaker 3: who was leading the league in sacks, and it's kind

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Speaker 3: of dried up lately. Today at Dallas on Thanksgiving, Giants

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Speaker 3: didn't have a single sack on Cooper Rush.

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Speaker 1: When you look at.

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Speaker 3: What is happening with the pressure that the Giants, or

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Speaker 3: the lack thereof, are able to get on opposing quarterbacks

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Speaker 3: in recent weeks, what do you attribute the drop off

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Speaker 3: to it? And I will acknowledge you that Dexter Lawrence

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Speaker 3: But when you look at the lack of pressure that

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Speaker 4: So if you can stop the run, you get you

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Speaker 4: you know, five six weeks hasn't done that, and subsequently

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Speaker 3: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 3: of crunch time football, I'm your match.

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Speaker 4: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

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Speaker 4: you should talk to Citizens.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd like to

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Speaker 2: learn about AMI routine.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I knew I could help makes sense of your

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you look at even just the tackles Tyler

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Speaker 3: And you know, as you'll point out, when the safety

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Speaker 2: That is the last line of defense.

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Speaker 4: You want your linemen, your linebackers. Those guys are paid

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Speaker 4: to tackle, not the safety. Safeties are there just to

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Speaker 4: now you're seeing there the back end of the Giants

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Speaker 4: defense has been tested way too often and the statistics beare.

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Speaker 3: That out absolutely, And of course losing the turnover battle

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Speaker 1: But you know what, it's thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: A lot to be thankful for, including ten days between

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a home game.

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Speaker 3: Brian Dable has said he's going to look at the

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Speaker 3: back to DeVito stick with Locke. They're going to evaluate

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Speaker 3: But this is a Saints team that's top five in

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Speaker 3: a takeaway from this Saints team when you look at

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Speaker 4: That's a million dollar question because both of the Giants

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Speaker 2: The Giants haven't won at home, so that's going to

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Speaker 4: But I'm telling you, if they can't tackle Alva Kamara,

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Speaker 4: tall It seems like a very very tall task because

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Speaker 4: I think that Saints the offensive line is pretty good

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Speaker 4: and Taysom Hill, of course, car is a good quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Maybe a lot of will be back.

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Speaker 4: So there's a lot of players there that they have

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Speaker 4: But first we've got to find out the injury reports,

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Speaker 3: And luckily for the Giants, they've got a long stretch

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Speaker 3: here between games two. Get healthy and get right, but

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Speaker 3: a tough one for the Giants. Twenty seven to twenty

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Speaker 3: is the final scores. Giants fall to the Cowboys on

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving Day, but still lots to.

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Speaker 1: Be thankful for, including us.

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Speaker 3: Thankful for you listening to through this episode of the

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Speaker 3: Giants Huddle Podcast. Rapid Reaction and just a reminder. Giants

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Speaker 3: Huddle brought to you by Citizens, the Official Bank of

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Speaker 3: the New York Giants. For a Moni tumor, I'm Madeleine Burke.

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Speaker 1: That's a rap