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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stop? Mom? Never told You?

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Speaker 1: From housetop works dot com. Hello and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: This is Molly and I'm Kristin Christen. The title for

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Speaker 1: today's episode, I'm pretty excited about it. Why do women

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Speaker 1: smell like onions and men smell like cheese? I think

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Speaker 1: that's a very intriguing title. We'll get to the exact

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Speaker 1: but the general topic of the day's body odor. Yes, um,

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Speaker 1: And we've talked we've talked about scent quite a bit

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Speaker 1: on our podcast, particularly um scent of a particular gender

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Speaker 1: and how we can be attracted or not attracted to

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Speaker 1: a person's smell. And we heard from lots of you

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Speaker 1: when we did that episode. Who you know it worked out?

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Speaker 1: Everyone seemed to say, yes, my long term boyfriend smells fantastic.

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Speaker 1: When I've broken up with guys that did not smell

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Speaker 1: good at all, and it's all and not just because

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Speaker 1: about their scent smell was off and science backs that up.

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Speaker 1: There have been these tests where women have to smell

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Speaker 1: men's undershirts, and the women tend to pick the men

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Speaker 1: who have different genes than them. So scientists think that's

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Speaker 1: an adaptation that helps us sniff out a good partner. Right.

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Speaker 1: And they've also found that women are more um sensitive

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Speaker 1: to the scent of a man's body odor, perhaps because

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Speaker 1: they are charged with this sniffing out the right father

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Speaker 1: for your children. Um. And you know, we've talked about

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Speaker 1: we should be walking around all natural um, and we

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Speaker 1: talked about different cultures that do that, but we have

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Speaker 1: never really covered why we spelled differently in the first place. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: body odor in general, Yeah, I mean, so it's maybe

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Speaker 1: not the most appetizing topic, but you know, everually because

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Speaker 1: so many food things are and smell things are related

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Speaker 1: to food, right, But everybody's got their own special body

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Speaker 1: odors will get into later. But um, since we talk

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Speaker 1: a lot on the podcast about differences between men and women,

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Speaker 1: low and behold, body odor is yet another one of

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Speaker 1: these aspects. There was a study in Switzerland that compared

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Speaker 1: found that women, or at least our armpits, had higher

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Speaker 1: They either spent time in a sauna or wrote an

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Speaker 1: gonna get to the title the podcast. When you add

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Speaker 1: sulfuric sweat in women, it tends to smell like an

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