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Speaker 1: Last Hello, and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: That's right, this is the show where we look back

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Speaker 2: on our old episodes from twenty eighteen with all new

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Speaker 2: insights and case updates and skincare routeens.

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Speaker 1: Today we're rewinding to episode very special, episode one oh

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Speaker 1: five Legendary, which we named Proclensity. I remember really on

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Speaker 1: one back then.

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Speaker 2: We do not have to rename this one. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we'll try, but this was one of my favorite titles ever.

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Speaker 2: This episode originally came out on January twenty fifth, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Oh we were babies. Let's listen to the intro of

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Speaker 1: episode one oh five Proclinsity.

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Speaker 3: Wake Up.

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Speaker 1: Hello, good morning, good morning, and welcome to your favorite

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Speaker 1: morning talk show, my favorite murder, the morning talk show

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Speaker 1: that screams in your face to wake get down, get down,

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Speaker 1: get up, get up, get.

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Speaker 3: Down, get back down, get back up again.

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Speaker 1: And you're like, what what do they want from me?

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Speaker 2: We want just we want just a couple crunches, easy, yeah, simple,

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Speaker 2: just to wake you up, fun, fun and easy.

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Speaker 3: Get the blood going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, burpiesld fucking start burping.

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Speaker 3: What if burpies were.

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Speaker 1: Not an exercise but just belching. I would be a

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Speaker 1: fucking Olympian, you absolutely would.

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Speaker 2: You'd be internationally known. Are burpies the ones where you

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Speaker 2: jump up and go down to push up and jump up.

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Speaker 2: Because I was thinking of her keys, which is a

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Speaker 2: cheerleading jump gone where you kind of look like a

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Speaker 2: check you turn your body into like a check mark check.

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Speaker 1: And I was going to be like work it's such like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you mean your legs go forward?

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Speaker 2: Check one leg got straight out and then the other

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Speaker 2: leg comes up in your knee comes to your chest.

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Speaker 1: Don't say that. That's just back problems for your life.

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Speaker 1: It's like this but in the air.

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Speaker 3: Okay, take it from me, everyone at home. I'm way

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Speaker 3: up in the air.

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Speaker 1: She she just showed me one in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the living room.

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Speaker 3: Was also what am I talking about?

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Speaker 2: I don't fucking know what a herky is.

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Speaker 3: Like, you're a cheerleader.

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Speaker 2: It's like I'm trying to get people to email us

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Speaker 2: about things. I was a cheerleader, by the way, I

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Speaker 2: was a song leader junior year of high school.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god. Those are the ones that like did routine.

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Speaker 2: Well, we were a small school, so we only had

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Speaker 2: a certain amount of people anyway, But you know, we

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Speaker 2: did dancer Team Janet Jackson's Control.

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Speaker 3: It's all about control, It's all about control. That's the

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Speaker 3: only one I remember.

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Speaker 2: Just that we had, you know, gloves that were white

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Speaker 2: on the inside and blue on the outside.

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Speaker 3: You're like blowing my mind.

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Speaker 4: So then you do a lot of this and you

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Speaker 4: just switch it like a clown, white, like a mime.

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Speaker 1: But white blue, light blue, light blue. Oh, I realized,

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Speaker 1: And one is this one is the way, So.

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Speaker 3: It's white blue. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Then change it up and then change it yeah, five, six, seven, eight,

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Speaker 1: and uh, change it. And then this is my favorite murder.

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Speaker 1: Put your gloves up your face?

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Speaker 3: Are they wider? Are they blue? Okay?

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Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite parts about having this

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Speaker 2: podcast is I get random texts from my beautiful friends

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Speaker 2: who listen to it, who take the time.

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Speaker 3: To listen to it.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, And then but there they sometimes can be

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Speaker 2: months behind. So the other day, my beautiful friend Sam

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Speaker 2: Pancake that's his real name, who is who plays Dorothy

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Speaker 2: in the Live Golden Girls that I told you about

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Speaker 2: and loves some.

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Speaker 1: I have the mug thank you for being a cun

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Speaker 1: that you got me.

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Speaker 2: It's the like Casita del Campo. They start did a

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Speaker 2: new run of it. You really should go. But he

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Speaker 2: sent me a text and all it said was fingers

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Speaker 2: and faces and it made me last.

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Speaker 1: So fingers and Faces the best beauty shop name, the

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Speaker 1: best worst beauty shop name of all time I ever

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Speaker 1: heard of?

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Speaker 3: Just cut to the basics, fingers.

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Speaker 1: And Faces from the Live Orlan Show. And I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: there reading my whatever one of us is ringing murder,

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Speaker 1: and I just see in the audience, whatever fucking production

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Speaker 1: had happened the night before. Maybe it was who could

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Speaker 1: it have been? Let's say, someone like not too big,

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Speaker 1: not too small, but so you've heard of him.

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Speaker 3: Maybe let's see it could have been you know, it

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Speaker 3: could have been at like.

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Speaker 1: Who's the You might as well be walking on the sun.

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Speaker 1: Smash out, thank you seven Maybe slash well.

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Speaker 2: You might as well be walking on the sun for

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Speaker 2: all the good it'll do you.

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Speaker 3: You might as well well.

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Speaker 1: One sad fucking confetti piece that had been sitting there

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Speaker 1: since the night before slowly falls into this lovely lady's

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Speaker 3: That's right. I was just like, it's like she was

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Speaker 3: blessed or she's dead. I don't know. I mean, it

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Speaker 3: could have been the death confetti.

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Speaker 1: That could have been the death, could have been so

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Speaker 1: many things.

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Speaker 3: Dottie, what is Dottie arranging papers upstairs? Dotty is digging?

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's an inanimate object, Dotty.

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Speaker 3: You go for it.

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Speaker 1: Human sanitary all day.

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Speaker 3: The Joy Okay, got the Joy of Kittens, The.

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Speaker 1: Joy of Kittens, Joy fuck sex, The Joy of Kittens.

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Speaker 3: That's the illustrated book you need to be reading.

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 3: I have the Joy of Sex?

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Speaker 1: An old copy of Nandra to Use Books, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm absolutely buying us.

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Speaker 3: Does I did anybody write in it?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, do they write in it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what That's the first thing I look for,

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Speaker 3: But try this with Gary. Maybe Gary will love you

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Speaker 3: to ask Gary to please do this.

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Speaker 2: All I know is that we got me and my

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Speaker 2: friend Katie Nuburger, who lived down the street. She's the

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Speaker 2: one whose family had lamas and they had the old

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Speaker 3: Property with the bills and the walls. Yeah, I believe.

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Speaker 2: I'm almost positive it was at her house that we

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Speaker 2: look through that book. Because her mom was also a nurse,

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Speaker 2: it like ooh, and the illustrations are so technical and

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Speaker 3: It was not interesting. Maybe we should just go swimming instead.

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Speaker 1: It's like, and I said this last week, I talked

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Speaker 1: about Reductress and they're hilarious t shirts. But they have

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Speaker 1: one that's like, you know, and you see like a

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Speaker 1: one that's a vagina and it says the cuts of vagina.

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Speaker 3: No, it was just like the cuts. It's just in

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Speaker 2: I just saw one of theirs on Twitter and it

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Speaker 2: said girl who promised not to tell anybody only told

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Speaker 3: And then it's the picture is so funny because it's a.

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Speaker 2: Girl whose face is right next to a bunch of flowers,

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Speaker 2: like she's all smiling, all proud.

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Speaker 1: That's me. What about bitch, This bitch brought loose leaf

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Speaker 1: tea to a fucking food donation. But it's just like

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Speaker 1: hippie bitch. She doesn't wear makeup because she's gorgeous, not

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Speaker 1: because yeah, yeah, this bitch loose leaf tea. What about

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Speaker 1: where did I come from? Do you remember that book? Oh? Yes,

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Speaker 1: dude with the fucking guy who looks like George Costanza

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Speaker 1: and his wife actually looks like George Costanza's parents, and

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Speaker 1: it's showing them having a baby, and my mind was blown.

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Speaker 2: Well, what about the part There is a part where

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Speaker 2: they're explaining to their child about sex, and it's like

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Speaker 2: tell you it's a fat little cartoon rub against each other.

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Speaker 2: It was very like I remember staring it and just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sex isn't just friction, right, it can't be this

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Speaker 1: Oh, it was very confusing. It's a confusing time, the eighties.

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Speaker 2: The eighties and that age and like before you know

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Speaker 1: Out and how funny it is, but you still can't

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Speaker 2: So it is still a little that and the thing

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Speaker 2: I thought I knew is God can see me and

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Speaker 2: it's wrong.

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Speaker 1: God can see you, but he's into it. Well, I'm sorry, blasphemy.

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Speaker 3: Is that what they're teaching in the temple?

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Speaker 3: Damn it.

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Speaker 1: Shit, I'm going to Hell? Is there?

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Speaker 4: Hell?

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Speaker 3: I'm going there.

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Speaker 4: You don't think there's hell? Goodbye, goodbye Hell. There's something

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Speaker 4: bye Hell? Goodbye Hell. See you deuce as hell.

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Speaker 1: He's out, motherfucker. What do you have that's sweet to talk?

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Speaker 2: Let's see besides friction frictional sex describing sex cartoons from

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Speaker 2: the seventies. Well, this is a great email we got, hi, ladies,

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Speaker 2: This is from Aaron High.

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Speaker 3: Ladies.

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Speaker 2: I was at the second Balbo Theater show back in

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Speaker 2: October that's San Diego, right, and was happy to get

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Speaker 2: a chance to listen to that first show that was

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Speaker 2: recently posted. Oh it's not fun, of course, I do

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Speaker 2: immediately google the Betty Broderick murder House. It's right down

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Speaker 2: the street from me and up for sale. Some great

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Speaker 2: realtors spin too quote a home rich in history, shut

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Speaker 2: up as you have to tell right, it says have

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Speaker 2: two point five million dollars lying around two.

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Speaker 1: Point five million dollars live in San Diego.

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Speaker 3: House. Yeah, and then she she listed it.

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Speaker 2: I could say the address right because it's an empty house. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, or just so it's street, it's on

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Speaker 2: It's on Cyprus Avenue.

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Speaker 3: Oh, where Van Morrison lives. That's a good cut. Yeah. Wow,

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Speaker 3: that's kind of hilarious.

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Speaker 1: Would you move into a place like murders had happened there?

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Speaker 1: Would you care? Like would you take have paws and

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Speaker 1: ask your girlfriends over drinks or like would you be

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Speaker 1: cool with it?

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Speaker 3: I think it just depends on the house.

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Speaker 2: Like, if it I think you'd have I would have

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Speaker 2: to go in and like feel it out. But if

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Speaker 2: it was some really old house, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Say, like in the eighties or nineties, even there was

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Speaker 1: a murder, even the two thousands heard of them.

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Speaker 3: I want it, you know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm being cavalier right now because I want to say

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Speaker 2: I would. But I just thought of the first night

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Speaker 2: in that house, and I would just be out of

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Speaker 2: my mind.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I would be fine, But I bet

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Any noise you heard, Yeah, but I don't care.

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Speaker 1: The podcast about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was so good.

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Speaker 2: Still it makes me then think of sorry to skip around,

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Speaker 3: You have to watch it. It's it's so good.

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Speaker 1: He plays the guy that they end up.

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Speaker 2: It's not an actor i'd know off hands, but the

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Speaker 3: You have to watch that season, all right?

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Speaker 1: Should we get into your story?

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Speaker 1: Well you okay, this is Karen's story about the death

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Speaker 1: Tell everyone I saw the bruise. It's fucked up.

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Speaker 2: It's I rolled my ankle. I've already sprained both my

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Speaker 2: it at a ninety degree angle and then I went down.

448
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 2: He said it looked like I looked like a stunt woman.

449
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 2: I went like I went down like hand hip leg

450
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 2: like in a perfect line. He really liked it, but

451
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 2: it I knew immediately that it was bad, and so

452
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 2: I just got up and went in.

453
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 3: And couch good bye. Yes, I elevated iced whatever.

454
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,159
Speaker 2: So tonight is the first night I have gone out and

455
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 2: like driven, Oh no, it was fine. If it's if

456
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: I keep it like, you know, wrapped insteadic.

457
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Speaker 1: So you had a long time to study.

458
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 3: I'm just get.

459
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 2: Really caught up and telling the whole story. I'm like, oh, yeah,

460
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 2: that's right. I'm trying to talk about this. So I've

461
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 2: been laying in front on the couch. Now I'm talking

462
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: about that as if you have a dream, what it's

463
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,440
Speaker 2: kind of a dream. Well, also I do it. Anyway,

464
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: what I realized is this sprained ankle just made me go,

465
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: you have to stop living. Like your ankle is sprained

466
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: at the time, you.

467
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 3: Have to stop it. So what your ankle is not sprained,

468
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: start living. They leave the house, go ahead and walk somewhere.

469
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: You know what. I guarantee they'll be sprained ankles in

470
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: the future, or you're gonna be like I wish I

471
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 1: had lived my life outside of this. Yes, I always

472
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 1: would know that I'd be back here at some point

473
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: you enjoying a sprained ankle, the couch is forever.

474
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 3: You might as well go get up and move around

475
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 3: while you can't.

476
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,040
Speaker 2: And I feel like up my body because I'm so

477
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 2: indignant and I'm so like defiance disorder based. I feel

478
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 2: like my body has to sprain my ankle like every

479
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 2: eight months, just to be like, up off the couch.

480
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 3: Now, or get you really sick?

481
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: To be like, didn't you love to not be here

482
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: right now in that fucking couch.

483
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 2: Stop living like you're sick and all of your joints

484
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 2: don't work. Okay, But since I was okay, there is

485
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 2: a Netflix movie called Murder on the Cape.

486
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've seen it.

487
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: It of course immediately came up when it went onto

488
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: Netflix in.

489
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 3: My suggestion netflick knows us.

490
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,400
Speaker 2: What's amazing about it? Because I was and I think

491
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 2: you and I talked about this a little bit, but

492
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: I got really addicted to those Hallmark Christmas movies, yeah,

493
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: over Christmas, because my sister kept putting them on as

494
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: a joke, but then we'd watch.

495
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 3: Them for real.

496
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 2: I love that, and it was a Christmas is for

497
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 2: it is right because it's you get like some hot chocolate.

498
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: We're all sitting on the couch, and then it's.

499
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: Just make fun of you.

500
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 3: It's blather.

501
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a guy in a huge sweater pretending

502
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: he works at a Christmas tree farm, right really, and

503
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 2: it's always then it's like, oh, she's really smart and

504
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: type A, but she had to come to this small

505
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: town to do something.

506
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 3: It's okay.

507
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: So I see Murder on the Cape and I'm like,

508
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: that doesn't look like an actual movie and it doesn't

509
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: look good, and I'm like, and also, I wonder which

510
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: murder on which cape?

511
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 3: This is?

512
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 1: It checked all your boxes, right, but what's the thing?

513
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: It hurked all your bad It herkeyed right into all

514
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: my boxes. But so I looked it up online first

515
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: before I actually I didn't want to watch it cold.

516
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: I didn't want to waste my time. And the first

517
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: thing that came up was an article on Decider. The

518
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 2: website Decider called, and the headline was Murder on the

519
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: Cape is a bonker's crime story based on a true story.

520
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: So they had already watched.

521
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,239
Speaker 2: It and reviewed it and were like, this thing is

522
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 2: like the room basically. So I stopped reading that article

523
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: because I didn't want to like in case I had

524
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 2: some of the same thoughts.

525
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 3: I want to.

526
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: Say that I just read the headline and then the

527
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: beginning of the description. I was like, Okay, I'm there

528
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: a plagiarizing this. Yes, bonkers, amazing bonkers is my favorite.

529
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 2: So funny. My friend Eric Dodurian on Twitter changed his

530
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: name to Linda K. Bonkers on a lack every time

531
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: I see it. Okay, So this and I highly recommend

532
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 2: that you do your substance of choice, and that can

533
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: be the Bible, it can be a glass of water,

534
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: but do something to get yourself in the mood to

535
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 2: accept what the television is giving you.

536
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: You could pour a glass of water on the Bible.

537
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: That could be your.

538
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: Thing, and then light it on fire. But what you

539
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: should do is get some why.

540
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 3: Wine, wine or ginger all and southern comfort.

541
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: Okay, how about some Malibu coconut liqueur and a.

542
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 1: Fanta okay, lime okay, got it, Phanta lime and some.

543
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: And then a twist of lemon whatever it means.

544
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: Karen's just talking about her deathbed wish.

545
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 2: That's seriously make me a grasshopper. Ugh, I almost when

546
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 2: when the Hawaiian nuclear strike thing came to it's like,

547
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I might as well just this is really bad.

548
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 3: But anyway point.

549
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: Being, I mean we all get it right.

550
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to be back on that or off

551
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: that wagon the second I have a valid governmental reason.

552
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: The minute it happens, I'm gonna come over and be like.

553
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 3: Hey, what you doing with one of those huge bottles

554
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 3: of champagne.

555
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to bring it. I'm gonna let

556
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: you because I don't want to enable you.

557
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: Oh you're just gonna discover me.

558
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 1: Okay, Hi, just wanted to check in on you.

559
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: And then you're gonna be like, that's weird. I guess

560
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 2: I have a champagne too. It's gonna be a champagne party.

561
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 3: Okay.

562
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: So Murder on the Cape, the made for Netflix movie,

563
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 2: is quite something and I highly.

564
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: Recommend you watch it.

565
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 2: It is very much like The Room meets a h

566
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: It's almost for me. I would actually say more, it's

567
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 2: not so bad as The Room, but there are definitely

568
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: actors where you say, did you like acting before your

569
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: friend decided to make this movie or is this something

570
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: that was like you wanted to do that this weekend

571
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: along with your friend who decided to make this. There's

572
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people making big choices, taken huge swings,

573
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: really going for it.

574
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 3: There's a lot I can I could.

575
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: See in my mind's eye these actors going, Hey, hey,

576
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: Chuck or whoever the director is, I'm really going to

577
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 2: go for it this time.

578
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 3: They're like, this is what acting is. Ready, Yeah, I'm gonna.

579
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: Kick my leg and do a dance for some reason

580
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: that doesn't actually connect with what my character is doing.

581
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: And I've seen it good, so that's cool.

582
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: The lead guy, I feel like I saw somewhere that

583
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: somebody in this movie was in.

584
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: A soap opera sometime. Oh, that makes sense.

585
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: I didn't recognize anybody.

586
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: And the story, the way the Murder on the Cape

587
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: story is told is very much against the victim.

588
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: In my opinion. It's very much.

589
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 2: Making her look like she tricked him in like and

590
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: then I thought, oh, I should actually look this up

591
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: and see if there's somebody that was in the real

592
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: case that is connected writing this movie, because it's just

593
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: just median quality enough, so pretty much anyone could have

594
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: written it.

595
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: Fucking conspiracy theory on the Cape.

596
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: I mean, you never know, you have to watch it.

597
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: But she it's like she tricked him into sleeping with her,

598
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: and then she tricked him into getting her pregnant, and

599
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: then she and then like lurr, Yeah, there's it's a

600
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: it's a very problematic presentation. So then I looked up

601
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: the actual story because I'm like, that story sounds familiar,

602
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: but it does not look familiar in Murder on the Cape.

603
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: And granted that they open it up by saying this

604
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: is based on a true story, but I don't think

605
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,879
Speaker 2: they claim it is exact. Okay, Okay, So here's the

606
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: real story, okay, and then you can hear this story,

607
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: process it and the horror of it. Then like clear

608
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: your palette and then go back and watch that thing

609
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: as its own separate thing.

610
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: Pour your glass of water on the Bible, and then

611
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: go watch it.

612
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: Click yeah, turn that TV on. Okay.

613
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: So this all takes place in a town called Truro, Massachusetts,

614
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: which I reminded myself just it's like you're saying.

615
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: Truro, yeah the tea. So it's Truro tea true. T

616
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: are you are? Oh? I believe whatever? That's not it true.

617
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: That's not a word. The word is.

618
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm at it.

619
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 3: Okay.

620
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: So it's nineteen ninety seven. And this is a tiny

621
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: fishing village basically at the very top of Cape Cod,

622
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: and it's busy in the summer obviously with the vacationers,

623
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: but then in the winter it's dead and it's really

624
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 2: cold except for all the fishermen and the families that

625
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: live there, obviously. And a woman named Crystal Worthington moves

626
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: there in nineteen ninety seven. She was very successful at

627
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: the time, forty year old fashion writer. She's written for

628
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: el Harper's Women's War Daily, the New York Times. She's

629
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: also co authored books on fashion. She's a successful writer,

630
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 2: and she had been writing internationally. She'd been doing stuff

631
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: in Europe and basically living a very high stress kind

632
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: of high fashion lifestyle, and so she wanted to get

633
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: away from that and go up to the Cape. So

634
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: her family she came from a very prominent family, and

635
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: her family owned a lot of different houses and places

636
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: in Truro. When she moved there, she moved into a

637
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: pink bungalow that was right next to the harbor master's shack,

638
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: and a couple months later she moved out of that

639
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 2: and into a larger house that her family owned. A

640
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: really beautiful cottage. Me. Yeah, it's I mean, I looking

641
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: at these places in that there's a forty eight hours

642
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: that one of the main ones I watched is a

643
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: forty hours eight hours all about it, And they just

644
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: keep showing clips of like a ship just kind of

645
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: going around like along the coastline and like you know,

646
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: an icebreaker.

647
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: It's just like awesome looking.

648
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: However, two weeks till you're bored out of your fucking mind.

649
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, twenty bucks, you know you got to have

650
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: your Netflix. Got maybe like some crossword puss wi body

651
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: out there.

652
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.

653
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: That would make you nuts, right, you'd get you'd be

654
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: getting on that jitney back into town. A couple a

655
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: bunch of times. They're jitney from messages I've.

656
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: Never before, so I couldn't tell you.

657
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: Jitney is a word I learned from my New York friends.

658
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: They jump onto it to take It's like a little

659
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: bus that drives strictly to like the Hampton's or something,

660
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: oh from Manhattan or some like summer. It's the summertime, jitney,

661
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 2: you go out to the beach.

662
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: All right.

663
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: So on January sixth, two thousand and two, twenty to five,

664
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: in the afternoon, a guy named Tim Arnold, who is

665
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: Krista Winnington's neighbor on the other side of the woods,

666
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 2: drops by her house to return a flashlight, and inside

667
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: he finds her dead body. She's been stabbed on the

668
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: left side of the chest and she's on the kitchen floor.

669
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: Her two year old daughter, Ava is there next to her,

670
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: clutching her.

671
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: So, yeah, she's been with the body for a while.

672
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: Tim grabs up at Ava and runs out, calls nine

673
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: one to one.

674
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: Police come. They find that Chris has been stabbed through

675
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 3: the chest.

676
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 2: The knife missed her heart, it pierced her lung, and

677
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: she out on the kitchen floor. This murder is the

678
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: first murder that Truro has seen in thirty years, so

679
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: like nothing happens in this tiny town anyway, and like

680
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: nothing like this, so of course everyone's freaking out, and

681
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: you know they later on, the defense lawyer will claim

682
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: that the EMTs were sloppy and.

683
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 3: Compromise the crime scene.

684
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: They did throw a blanket over Christa's body when they

685
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: got there to cover her up.

686
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: She'd been raped, and.

687
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: Luckily the police did find DNA on her body that

688
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: they ended up sending to the lab. So they knew

689
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: that there was somebody else's DNA on the body and

690
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: that could be a good lead. Unfortunately, the lab was

691
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: insanely backed up. It was nineteen ninety seven, so this

692
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: was like, you know. So they start talking to the

693
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: people in Christa's life.

694
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: Talked to Tim Arnold, the neighbor.

695
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: They find out he wasn't just her neighbor, he was

696
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: also her ex boyfriend. They dated for about a year.

697
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: He says he has nothing to do with her death. Then,

698
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: in talking to her friends, they find out that Ava's

699
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: father is a married man who was born and raised

700
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: in Truro.

701
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 3: And his name is Tony Jacket. What the fuck? Why

702
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 3: do we keep getting these names? Jesus?

703
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: Now, it does have two teas, But I mean, that's

704
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: right on par with Jimmy Buttons in terms of a noun.

705
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: Name Buttons, Jacket, there's an onion.

706
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: I mean it just as if this was writing, it

707
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: would be lazy. But it's not. It's just how it happens.

708
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: So it turns out Tony Jacket he's lived Intror all

709
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: his life. I'm only going to call him Tony Jacket

710
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: the whole time. And he has six kids.

711
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: He's married, but.

712
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 2: And this is in the forty eight hours and his

713
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: own account, he saw Krista when she moved into that

714
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: pink bungalow right by the Harbormaster shack because he was

715
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: working there as the fishing warden in the forty eight hours.

716
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: He calls himself the fishing Warden. An article I found

717
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: on ABC news dot Com referred to him, and I'm

718
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: not joking as the Shellfish Constable.

719
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: Now, I don't know if.

720
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: That writer for ABC news dot com was bored and

721
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 2: just being funny or.

722
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: Just reading cartoons. It sounds like a cartoon.

723
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 2: Or pitching an idea for SpongeBob SquarePants episode. Yes, where

724
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: the Shellfish Constable rolls into town, me the same.

725
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: But if that's a cartoon, ma'am, it totally is.

726
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: In the movie, the Netflix film Murder on the Cape,

727
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: the character that plays Tony Jacket's character is very ashame

728
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: to be the Shellfish Constable and he's he was, i

729
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: think a contractor and he couldn't get work, and so

730
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: this was his way of like because they they're you know,

731
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: having financial the families and financial problems.

732
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: He has six kids, so he had to you know,

733
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 3: take the job anyway as he's working as a shellfish constable.

734
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: He sees Krista this beautiful.

735
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: Very you know, very fashionable, very, you know all the

736
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 2: pictures of her. She's just a gorgeous woman, and he's

737
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: immediately they immediately hit it off and are attracted to

738
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: each other.

739
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: And she's like this high society. He's just like gruff smell,

740
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: kind of hot local.

741
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: Probably, yes, he's very He looks like he should have

742
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: been like a third string character in the Sopranos. He

743
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: has like big lips and squinty eyes and like combed

744
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: back hair, very kind of like mambo Italiano.

745
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: I can't explain it. Got it and I'm not against it.

746
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: I'll say that, not judge, like get yours, get your

747
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: sea constable.

748
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: Your shellfish constable Italian piece. So she when they first

749
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 2: get together, Christa tells Tony she can't have kids. She's

750
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: been told she can't have kids. They have their affair

751
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: for a year. They end up breaking up. In the

752
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: film Murder on the Cape. They make it look like

753
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: she won't leave him alone and is like always trying

754
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: to be in his business and finding him at the

755
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: grocery store and stuff where I'm like, prove that it

756
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 2: seems like she had plenty of dudes in her life

757
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 2: and it wasn't desperate lettus.

758
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 3: Where else is she gonna go? And it's a tiny,

759
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 3: truly tiny town.

760
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: Right, guy, run into my fucking ex at the grocery

761
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: store and this is fucking Los Angeles for real? Maybe

762
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: he's talking me. I actually don't run into my ex.

763
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: I have never run into anyone I didn't want to

764
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: run into in this so I swear, and I have

765
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: to knock on woodenow. Why would I ever say that

766
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 2: out loud? No, I just want like open the nightmare door.

767
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: Basically, Oh, next week's gonna be fun. Let me talk

768
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 1: about who you run into?

769
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Oh, I better start wearing so much mass scart,

770
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: make constant constant makeup.

771
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: It'll be so different. Okay.

772
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: Basically, she comes to him and says, I'm pregnant and

773
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: it's your baby, and he's like, you told me you

774
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: couldn't have babies, and then she's like, well, it's miracle

775
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: and that's why I'm keeping it. I don't care what

776
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: you say, and I don't you don't need to be

777
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: a part of it. Yeah, and he is, he said.

778
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: In the forty eight hours he was like, I was dumbfounded,

779
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: and he kind of thought she tricked him. But she

780
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: goes on and has her life and starts to raise

781
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: her bait her daughter Ava herself. But at some point

782
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: she asked Tony not only to pay child support, but

783
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: she wants him to tell his wife that he has

784
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: a daughter. So Tony actually ends up. Tony Jacket ends

785
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: up telling his wife of like, how many years of

786
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: six kids and years that he had an affair.

787
00:37:59,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: And now he has this.

788
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: Jackets, The jackets sick, the jackets come off.

789
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 3: The jackets had to come off that night.

790
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: So so basically, his wife Susan of course is very

791
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: upset at first and live it at him, but then

792
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: it basically they all. She ends up meeting Krista, and

793
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 2: Krista comes over for dinner and brings the baby and

794
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 2: they start to make it work.

795
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: Susan.

796
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: Susan herself tells the story in the Forty eight Hours.

797
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,320
Speaker 1: Men are the best people.

798
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: Women are just like, this is a kid that is

799
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 2: not gonna like have her life be bad because.

800
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: Because of because of fucking Jackets.

801
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: Over here, because of Captain Jackets, I fucking married oh.

802
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: Man, so so and she says she actually liked her,

803
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: and basically I know.

804
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: But but also Susan provides Tony's alibi. He was home

805
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 2: with her the night of Christa's death. Okay, so the

806
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: police are like, it's all a little weird.

807
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, But then they also discover Christa was having issues

808
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: with her seventy seventy two year old father.

809
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 2: They were, you know, as I said, like this prominent family,

810
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: and apparently the seventy two year old father now had

811
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: a twenty nine year old girlfriend. Her name is Elizabeth Porter.

812
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: She had been a sex worker, and she had been

813
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: a heroin addict and now she had gotten her life

814
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: together and she was dating the love of her life,

815
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: seventy two year old dad.

816
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: You're embarrassing me.

817
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 2: And Krista was like, you are spending too much money

818
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 2: on this woman. And then they cut in the forty

819
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: eight hours. They fucking do a hard cut to this woman,

820
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Porter, walking down like a courtroom thing, and.

821
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 3: She goes, yeah, I like to take pictures.

822
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: I mean, don't yet, and she has like this insane

823
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: cigarette voice and she's just yelling at all the cameras

824
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: at once.

825
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: Oh holy my god, not handling her shit at all.

826
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: So he wasn't. No, I've met this classy dame and listen,

827
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: I'm not talking shit on her being a sex worker

828
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: or a hameron addict.

829
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Date a sex worker and.

830
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: Hairy and addict, but a twenty nine year old and

831
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: a seventy two together year old don't belong together.

832
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't know any of the same references. No,

833
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: you don't use any of the same emojis.

834
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 1: No, or hair products or gifts or anything.

835
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: You don't listen to the same podcasts.

836
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: I mean, overall, the rule is don't date someone younger

837
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: than your children. Yeah, I'm madly dad for being a

838
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: fucking creep azoid, But.

839
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: I mean I know a lot of people that have

840
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 2: had that happen where they're like and now my stepmom's.

841
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: Than that's just like an obvious no. I know, I

842
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: shouldn't say a lot of people.

843
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 2: I know one person, and great, if you knew a

844
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: lot of people, that would be so impressed.

845
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: These are the tiny ways I constantly lie.

846
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: It just comes out as a lot of people and

847
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, just the one, but they're not.

848
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: Hurting anyone because I'm like cool, tell me.

849
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: But so that was actually they were like, well this

850
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: this could actually be if she because she was complaining

851
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: to her father and basically saying stop spending money cut

852
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: her off. So then and you know, so it does

853
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: become and it sounded like it was this thing where

854
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: this is almost like a vacation town. It's the elite,

855
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: the people with the money in the town, and then

856
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: the people who make the town.

857
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: Go right, and they all kind of hate each other.

858
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: I mean, it could it all could get real, you know, yeah,

859
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 3: whose verses them? So the police are just like, it

860
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 3: can be anybody.

861
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: So they're thinking dad's girlfriend hired someone to kill her.

862
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: Maybe, or they're just looking at that girlfriend that she

863
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: doesn't have the best background and she would have reason

864
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: to get rid of her, to be like, yeah, I

865
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: want to keep my money source open.

866
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: God my dad is poor, because otherwise it does solve

867
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: a lot of it. Yeah, no one's gonna date. No

868
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: twenty nine year ods gon to date unless're in love

869
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: with him and they have my fucking blessing.

870
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: And that's nice.

871
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 1: I know it would be nice.

872
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 2: I'm happy made okay, might so they got the police.

873
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: There's so much going on now and there's so many suspects.

874
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: The police go to the FBI to get help and

875
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 2: to get a profile drawn up. The profile that the

876
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: FBI gives them doesn't help them, it does, they don't

877
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: have anybody that matches it.

878
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 3: Finally, a year after.

879
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: Chris's murder, Laberzelt's come back and they find out the

880
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: DNA that they found on her body doesn't match any

881
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: of these suspects. So none of these ex boyfriends, nobody,

882
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 2: and they're like, what the fuck? So they have to

883
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: start all over against So what they decide to do

884
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: is ask for the DNA of every man who lives intro.

885
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: Holy shit.

886
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: And there's a reporter in this forty hours who was

887
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: like the reporter from day one who was told his

888
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: whole story.

889
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was like, well then that was just crazy.

890
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: And then it just you. Clearly they have nothing, and

891
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: they're just like trying to do whatever. But how many men?

892
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: How many men are we talking? I don't know offhand,

893
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: all right.

894
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 2: I normally I would have lied, but I say, let's

895
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: just go ahead with fifteen thousand, because it's fun and

896
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 2: it's a it's a good number.

897
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 3: It's a really small town. Let's say two hundred.

898
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: Okay, let's say between two and one hundred and nine thousand.

899
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:20,760
Speaker 3: Great, okay.

900
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: So two and a half years later, the DA Michael

901
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: O'Keeffe announces they've gotten.

902
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: A match back from the DNA and.

903
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: Some idiot killer gave them their DNA.

904
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: Well, yes, and it leads to the arrest of a

905
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: suspect named Christopher McGowan. He is her garbage man, so

906
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: police first bring him for questioning. The police say, do

907
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: you know Krista Worthington. He says no, I just know

908
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: she's a stop on my on my garbage route, but

909
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 2: I've never met her and I don't know her. And

910
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: they say, okay, well we found your DNA on her body.

911
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: Now what do you have.

912
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: To say And he says, well, actually I went to

913
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 2: her house on Thursday, which is the day that he

914
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: picks up the garbage at her house, and then I

915
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 2: went inside and we had consensual sex. And then he

916
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: says he went back Friday, had sex with her, then

917
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: beat her, but his friend Jeremy Fraser was there. His

918
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: friend Jeremy Fraser started beating her up and then he

919
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 2: left and Jeremy Fraser is the one that stayed and

920
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,919
Speaker 2: killed her. What well, the police are like, well, that's

921
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 2: a great story, except for Jeremy frad your friend, Jeremy Fraser,

922
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: your good.

923
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: Friend that you're setting up for this murder.

924
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 2: None of his DNA is anywhere in the house, and

925
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: there's no way to prove that he was ever anywhere.

926
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: There, Oh my gosh.

927
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: And so then basically, after a six hour interrogation, he

928
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: signs a waiver that says he doesn't want a lawyer,

929
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: and then he confesses.

930
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 3: To the murderer.

931
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: So this guy does the same guy.

932
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: Christopher McGowan, the garbage manka. So basically the prosecution so

933
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 2: the trial starts. The prochues and tells everybody that Christopher

934
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: McGowen went out with his friend Jeremy Frasier and they

935
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: got drunk and then at one am he drives up

936
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 2: to her house, rapes her and kills her. But Christopher

937
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: McGowan's defense attorney is a guy named Bob George. He

938
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: claims Christa had consensual sex with him gowen on Thursday,

939
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: the day he brought he picked up the garbage, then

940
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: he left, and that her murder took place somewhere between

941
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: Thursday and then when her body was found on Sunday,

942
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: and that it hit his client had nothing to do

943
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: with it, God damn it. He also suggested that christophermergowan

944
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: and Christa Worthington could have been having a consensual affair

945
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: for a while, and that it was just the elitists

946
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: of this town that didn't believe that a white woman

947
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: who is this fancy fashion writer could be having a

948
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: consensual affair with a black man who is the garbage man.

949
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: He also submitted that McGowan's IQ was in the low seventies,

950
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: and so that's why he waived the right for the lawyer.

951
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 3: He didn't have. He had no chance once he was

952
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: in the police.

953
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: But he basically said, but then, you know, so he's

954
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 2: basically saying his IQ is really low, so he was

955
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 2: tricked into all of this and he's just basically the

956
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: perfect patsy. Well, then the prosecution comes back and says

957
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: he's smart enough to have lied to say he didn't

958
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: know her.

959
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 3: You know, there's like a lot of evasion tactics or whatever.

960
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: So he clearly it is not just because he didn't

961
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: score well on that IQ test doesn't mean that he

962
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 2: isn't tricky in doing whatever you want. The defense also

963
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: alleges that the crime scene was totally contaminated by sloppy

964
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: EMTs because those amts came in and put a blanket

965
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: on Chris's body when they first saw her, and so

966
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: the DNA who knows she's DNA, was on that blanket. Whatever,

967
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: they kind of just keep introducing reasons to doubt. So

968
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: Krista had an ex boyfriend who lived in Manhattan who

969
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: was in this forty eight hours who says if Krista

970
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: was having an affair with the garbage man, because he

971
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: had visited her two weeks before her murder, and he said,

972
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 2: that would have been the first thing she said when

973
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: I walked in the door, because she would have loved

974
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 2: that story.

975
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: She would have been very proud of it.

976
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: If she was having some kind of like, you know,

977
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: it's not May December, but it's like the wrong side.

978
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 3: Of the tracks affairs. She was the kind of person

979
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: I would love to talk about that. So up until

980
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 3: two weeks before her murder, that was not happening. So

981
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 3: he basically kind of it was interesting when he talked

982
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 3: about that, where it's like you can totally see that basically.

983
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: The trial goes the on November sixteenth, two thousand and six,

984
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: he's found guilty. Christopher McGowan is found guilty of firstgre

985
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: murder with extreme atrocity, aggravated rape, and aggravated armed burglary,

986
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: And after the verdict is read, Christopher McGowan makes a

987
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: statement to the court where he says, quote, I never

988
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,720
Speaker 2: meant for this to ever take place, and then after

989
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: he says that he claims to still be innocent.

990
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: Wow, which is a really weird way to say it.

991
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: If you're innocent, he is serving three concurrent life terms

992
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: in prison without the possibility of parole.

993
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: So after all of that, the verdict comes down.

994
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: In January of two thousand and eight, several jurors came

995
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: forward and claimed that there was a racial bias in

996
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: the jury room during the deliberations.

997
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: So all twelve jurors got called back.

998
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: To court by that judge and they all were questioned

999
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: over those claims, and their testimony revealed that there was

1000
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 2: racial tension in the jury room. So because of that,

1001
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 2: Christoph mc gowan's lawyer used that information as a ground

1002
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: to file an emotion for a retrial, but that was

1003
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 2: struck down, as have all three appeals that McGowan's defense

1004
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: attorneys have filed on his behalf since he got sentenced.

1005
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:17,240
Speaker 2: And then in twenty twelve, the defense attorney Bob George

1006
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: was convicted of money laundering and he himself served three

1007
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: years in prison.

1008
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: What yes, so the very much.

1009
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. There's a lot of things

1010
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 2: that get introduced in this case, in this forty eight

1011
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 2: hours that that defense attorney Bob George, he actually did

1012
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: a really good job of introducing all these possible.

1013
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: Doubts in this case.

1014
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, it's DNA, yeah,

1015
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: and his was the only DNA on her.

1016
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: Body, and she was raped and murdered, and she was

1017
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: raped and murdered, which would have meant there would have

1018
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: been someone else's DM.

1019
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah.

1020
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's funny because that forty eight hours is

1021
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: kind of old, and they it's interesting how it feels

1022
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: like they keep pointing to this idea that she quote

1023
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: had a lot of boyfriends, that that seemed to be

1024
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 2: at play in the way people kind of like judged.

1025
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: This, yeah, that, and like she had an affair with

1026
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 1: a married man where it's like, yeah, she was not

1027
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: to be trusted, yeah yeah, or there.

1028
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 3: Was I don't know, it's it's a I didn't like

1029
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: I didn't.

1030
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: Like it, and the movie did that too.

1031
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 3: The movie was crazy.

1032
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: The movie was all about fucking Tony Jackets, the will,

1033
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: the character that was representing him, and like how tough

1034
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 2: his life was and how these all these women were

1035
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: making his life really tough. And there's her baby. You

1036
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 2: have to see you have to see it. It's pretty amazing.

1037
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 2: And there's also the casting is fucking fascinating. The woman

1038
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 2: who plays Tony Jacket's wife.

1039
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 3: A couple of times, I was like that bridge at Everett,

1040
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 3: you know, the comic bridge, because it looked like her

1041
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 3: and it was this kind of like everything had.

1042
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 2: A it was right on the verge of being campy. Yeah,

1043
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 2: and then would just come back every time too boring.

1044
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: When they made the movie, did they know who the

1045
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 1: killer was? And then they showed that's what happened?

1046
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: Yes, although I'm pretty sure I fell asleep before the

1047
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 2: end of the movie because how.

1048
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: Can you have victim bland throughout a movie and then

1049
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: it turns out it's just some fucking other guy psycho murderer. Yes,

1050
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, which has it wouldn't matter

1051
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: if she was let's say, promiscuous or not. I'm not

1052
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: saying she was, but it wouldn't fucking matter.

1053
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter anyway, Like that thing that happened happened.

1054
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: That's the case that needs to get sold. I mean

1055
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Yeah. I think at the end of this

1056
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 2: thing it's there. They leave it super vague like.

1057
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't right, No, he did.

1058
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1059
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,280
Speaker 2: But I recommend everyone go because it's this bizarre crossroads

1060
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: of It's almost like every bad reenactment you've ever seen

1061
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: if all the reactors had lines where it's like, you

1062
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 2: know what, play with this scene and figure out what

1063
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: happened with you guys.

1064
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 3: I want to see crazy.

1065
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: Susan Jackets gets her group back, or she leaves her

1066
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: fucking chat and her husband goes to an island.

1067
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 3: Is it Susan, it's Susan Jackets, It is now Susan Jacket.

1068
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 3: It's crazy. But the little girl.

1069
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: The good news is the little girl went to live

1070
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: with the person that that Krista Worthington chose to be

1071
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: her good to be the Guardian, which is a good

1072
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: friend of hers. But Tony Jackets and Susan have visited

1073
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: her and now she's like, uh in college O good

1074
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,479
Speaker 2: and she's doing great.

1075
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: Honey, yeah, fly, you're you're a bird. Fly I don't know.

1076
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: Spread your wings, you know, that's my words of encouragement.

1077
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 3: I bet that'll work.

1078
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: Spread your you know, spread your wings and wow, crazy,

1079
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm me. It's almost like a good thing that your

1080
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: ankle got twisted.

1081
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 2: When I go ahead and say, so, what'st a good

1082
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,919
Speaker 2: thing that I watched TV twenty four hours a day.

1083
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: Finally something good came out of it. Okay, we're back, Karen,

1084
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Any updates?

1085
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 3: Yes.

1086
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty four, Christopher McCowan requested that a

1087
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: sweater that the police had had since two thousand and

1088
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: five be forensically tested for DNA and have fabric analysis

1089
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: conducted because it was worn by Jeremy Fraser, who Christopher

1090
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: maintains is the one who killed Christa. So the results

1091
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: about that testing have not been made public. And basically

1092
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: that's all that's happened in that case.

1093
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 3: Wow, I wonder if we're gonna hear anything I know soon.

1094
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.

1095
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: We got to get to the story that the story

1096
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 2: that went on the books a legendary of one.

1097
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: I can't believe I snapped this one right out from

1098
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: under you.

1099
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: You really like you really did.

1100
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: But maybe it was more fun for me that way,

1101
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 2: because then I just got to be told and just

1102
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: participate like totally.

1103
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: I think you would have like obsessed over every little aspect.

1104
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: Then you wouldn't have had so much fun.

1105
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: Would I?

1106
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 3: Though doesn't seem like I ever have. It doesn't sound

1107
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,720
Speaker 3: like it doesn't really.

1108
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get into Georgia's legendary retelling of the story

1109
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: of typhoid Mary.

1110
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: All right, my murder. Okay, So you know I'm obsessed

1111
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,800
Speaker 1: with fucking infectious diseases and plagues and flu epidemics.

1112
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 3: Oh you know I love all this shit, right sure,

1113
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 3: that's my passion illness.

1114
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: Uh huh like end of days shit, great level stuff. Okay,

1115
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: and right now the flu right now, in mid January

1116
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, the flu is already eat an epidemic this year,

1117
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: which is fun. I just got a shot, did you get?

1118
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:05,959
Speaker 3: Oh good?

1119
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: I think it's irritated and I'm gonna die.

1120
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 3: But anyways, well at least you won't have the fluid

1121
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 3: you die exactly.

1122
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: So on that note, because it's so fun, I thought

1123
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: I would do, uh, you know, our good friend typhoid Mary. Nice.

1124
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 3: Here we go.

1125
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: In the summer of nineteen oh six on Long Island's

1126
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: Oyster Bay.

1127
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 3: Have you been there? I haven't.

1128
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 1: I think they take one of those little trains, a

1129
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: jitney to get there, right, I don't know nineteen o

1130
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: six a jitney.

1131
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,280
Speaker 3: Did they have cars?

1132
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: It was made of straw, don't know, maybe a horse jitney.

1133
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: So Long Island's Oyster Bay is the tony playground of

1134
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: New York's rich and famous Teddy fucking Roosevelt, none other

1135
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: than had his summer white House.

1136
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 3: Oh all fucking rich people.

1137
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: Sure, and everyone freaks the fuck out when in a

1138
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: span of just one week, six of the eleven people

1139
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: in the home of wealthy banker. Also he's the banker

1140
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: to the Vanderbilts. Even Charles Warren's household comes down with

1141
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: typhoid fever while they're there on vacation.

1142
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 3: Typhoid is a bacterial.

1143
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: Infection let me tell you about it, due to salmonilla typhee.

1144
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: And it's viewed back then as a disease of the

1145
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: crowded slums and tenements, which we'd love to talk about. Yes,

1146
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: in New York, it's associated with poverty, the lack of

1147
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: basic sanitation. Immigrants assume to live in disease.

1148
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,879
Speaker 3: Written. Crowded housing our.

1149
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: Scapegoats of typhoid, So when a rich fucking family gets it,

1150
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: it's bananas. Typhoid is one of the twentieth century's most

1151
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 1: terrifying killers because an infection could spread through a house

1152
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: before anyone knew what was going on. The first week,

1153
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 1: the infection seems almost you know, like just the regular food.

1154
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: Then there's the fever or some abdominal cramping, but nothing

1155
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: really crazy to show that it's typhoid. And then during

1156
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: the second week, fever goes crazy, the patient becomes delirious,

1157
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: blood clots form under the skin, the entire abdomen becomes distended.

1158
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 3: Ooh.

1159
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 1: The third week inflammation of the fucking brain and intestinal hemorrhaging,

1160
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: intestinal hemorrhaging, and the death rate of those infected is

1161
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: anywhere between one in ten and three in ten. So

1162
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: it's really easily spread by eating or drinking food or

1163
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: water contaminated with the feces of infected persons.

1164
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 3: So think about that.

1165
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: In the nineteen hundred, really nineteen hundreds, you know, when

1166
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: they didn't like wash their hands and stuff and like

1167
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: water wasn't you know, cleaned and should and they all

1168
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: lived in like houses and stuff that were all you know.

1169
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah that, I mean that was back still when people

1170
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: get up and just pee in a bowl under the bed,

1171
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: right right, just like slash it back under it.

1172
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: Probably throw it out the window.

1173
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: Sure is that when they threw stuff out the window,

1174
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: throw the baby out with them?

1175
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: Probably? Man, I bet, I bet they did. Let's say yes,

1176
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: But I like the idea that people would do it

1177
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 3: in rich houses, scad They didn't.

1178
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: So that's the thing, Okay, like they did it. So

1179
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: it was really weird that this typhoid was an outbreak

1180
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: in a rich house. So people were that's why on

1181
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: Oyster Bay they were like, this is a fucking something's wrong.

1182
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: Not here, not in my family, not in my backyard right.

1183
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: Not in the tony playground of the rich and famous.

1184
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: Well no, no, but in nineteen hundred it killed thirty

1185
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: five thousand Americans. There's no cure, Antibiotics didn't exist, and

1186
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: a vaccine was not yet available.

1187
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: So scary.

1188
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: So the Charles Warren's landlord was freaking out that the

1189
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: family outbreak would prevent him from leasing his summer house again.

1190
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 1: He thought they were burned it to the fucking ground

1191
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: because of typhoid. So he was like, fuck the shit.

1192
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: He hires freelance sanitary engineer George Soper.

1193
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 2: A freelance sanitary engineer, doctor George Sofer, okay, which.

1194
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: Is like you sound fun at parties. You sound like

1195
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 3: you have a made up job. Uh, it's called the janitor.

1196
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: No. No, He's like, he investigates sources of typhoid fever

1197
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: outbreaks to determine the cause. Like he's the dude who

1198
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: hous like doctor house, He's fucking house. He's like, come

1199
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: over to my house, figure out what happened here? Okay,

1200
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: Like why is everyone sick? He's the dude who figures

1201
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: it out?

1202
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: Like what was his name again?

1203
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: George Soper, doctor George Soper? Okay, so he's like he's like,

1204
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: what's his name? The detective Colombo Charlock Calms.

1205
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 3: Can you.

1206
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 1: Can leave that pardon? He's like the Columbo Sherlock Holmes of.

1207
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 2: Diseases okay, okay, of I was gonna say diarrhea.

1208
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: What we don't use that word. No, we do use

1209
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: that word. So everything, So super tests everything. He's like

1210
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: super excited about gross stuff. Apparently he tests the house plumbing,

1211
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: local shellfish company. Everything comes up negative for typhoid. But

1212
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: then he looks into the cook who had worked for

1213
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: the Warrens weeks before the outbreak, and discovered that a

1214
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: female Irish cook who fit the description of a cook

1215
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: who had worked in other households where typhoid had broke

1216
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: out broke out, no, broken out, the pass that she

1217
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: had worked there right before everyone fell ill of typhoid,

1218
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: and had also just cooked for the Warrens.

1219
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: So I don't know why you to hire an Irish cook.

1220
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: We can't fucking cook like red potatoes.

1221
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: But I think that back then they liked the simplicity.

1222
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: Of it all.

1223
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 3: Oh man, such a bummer. I mean that.

1224
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: Fucking amazing to me. That's all I want is pot

1225
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: roast and red potatoes. Are you serious with some horse radish?

1226
01:00:59,360 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1227
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 3: What about jello with fruit cocktail floating inside of it?

1228
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 3: Fruit cocktail?

1229
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: Yes?

1230
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1231
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 2: And then of course my grandma special what did she

1232
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 2: put on it? Thousand Island dressing?

1233
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1234
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: Hard stop, that's uh an iceberg lettuce?

1235
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 3: No, that's Irish cookie. My friends, do you know what

1236
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: I want?

1237
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: I want iceberg lettuce one thousand island and I want

1238
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: jello with fruit cocktail.

1239
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: I don't want them to meet each other.

1240
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 2: Well, sorry, my grandma says, you have to and that's

1241
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: my job to make it happen, and.

1242
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: You have to finish it. You do, I mean fair enough.

1243
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 2: She forced us to eat spinach as tiny babies, and

1244
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 2: very few of us have ever broken a bone spinach.

1245
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: But you fucking twist her ankle. All that got down

1246
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: time I roll it, but it don't break. Grandma. Okay,

1247
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: grandma bo he was okay. So he can't find her

1248
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: because she left after the After every outbreak, Brigran begins.

1249
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: She fucking laters out of there. It doesn't give a

1250
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: fording a dress. Soaper learns of an active outbreak and

1251
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: a penthouse on Park Avenue where two of the household

1252
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: servants were hospitalized and the young daughter of the family

1253
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: had died of typhoid.

1254
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 3: Oh no, and she.

1255
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: And he discovers sober discovers that the family cook was

1256
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: the same woman who had cooked for the other families.

1257
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: It's forty year old Irish immigrant Mary mallin.

1258
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 3: H Mary, wash her hands. Mary there, I go, oh

1259
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 3: doing Mary? What does she say? And she says, ah,

1260
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 3: I just need to start the soup with my hand

1261
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: real quick. I can't do it. No, you're gonna do it.

1262
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 3: This whole fucking story, we need it, Okay.

1263
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: Soaper starts stocking Mary Mallin and tells her, and he

1264
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: tells her she's transmitting disease and death by her job.

1265
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: But he sounds very bad at like telling people things

1266
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,360
Speaker 1: and explaining in a calm, like you know, self possessed

1267
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: manner to an Irish immigrant, probably because he had some

1268
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: prejudices against Irish people.

1269
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 3: So do you think he was like too nervous to

1270
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: tell her? He was like screaming.

1271
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 1: I think he was screaming in her face this thing

1272
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: of transmitting disease and death, and she's this like Irish

1273
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: emery was like, what are.

1274
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 3: You talking about?

1275
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: Ah ah. So he didn't explain to her how she,

1276
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: as a woman who was perfectly healthy, could be infecting

1277
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: others with typhoid.

1278
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 3: He attempted to.

1279
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: Get and then and then he goes on to attempt

1280
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: to get samples of Mary's feces urine and blood. I

1281
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: think just by yelling in her face that he needs

1282
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: samples of her feces urine and blood.

1283
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 3: Jesus Mary and Joseph Mann get away from me.

1284
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Not surprisingly, this just pissed Mary off, and one

1285
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: time she chased him away with a large kitchen fork

1286
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: when he tried to come get her face.

1287
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 3: Get out of here, I don't know, that's my Irish.

1288
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 3: Get out of here, Get out of it, Get out

1289
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 3: of the kitchen. Now. You always have to start way

1290
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 3: high and then go down really low.

1291
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: Okay. Since Mary refused to get samples, he decided to

1292
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: compile a five year history.

1293
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 3: Of her employment.

1294
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: He found that of the eight families that had hired

1295
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: Mary Mallin as a cook, members of seven of those

1296
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 1: families claimed to have contracted typhoid fever, even though Mary

1297
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: had never shown signs of the ailment. With this, Soper

1298
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: becomes the first author to describe a healthy carrier of

1299
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: Salvonilla TYPEE in the United States. So the person who

1300
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: can carry it never get ill by it, but pass

1301
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: it on to other people.

1302
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 3: She's basically immune to this thing she has, but she

1303
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 3: has is giving it to everybody else.

1304
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: And part of her argument is like, well, I'm fucking fine,

1305
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: it can't be me getting it to anyone.

1306
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 2: Right, so also, and let me use my whole arm ast.

1307
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: And I just want to stir this fucking stew.

1308
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 3: I just want to touch the bottom of the pan.

1309
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: With my fingernail. I put this under my fingernails and

1310
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: put it into the stew.

1311
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 3: What's the big deal? What is the problem my fingernail?

1312
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: Ladle right without washing my hands. Okay, let me tell

1313
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: you about Mary. Mary Mallin was born in September of

1314
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty nine in Cooks County, Cookston County, ty Tyrone, Cookston,

1315
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: Let's call it, a small village in the north of

1316
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: Ireland that was among one of Ireland's poorest areas. She

1317
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: immigran to the United States in eighteen eighty three at

1318
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: the age of fifteen. Her aunt and uncle, who she

1319
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: had been living with, died, so she was living in

1320
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: swaller squalid housing in the Lower East Side fending for herself.

1321
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: She found work as a domestic servant, and apparently her

1322
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: proclensity in the kitchen led.

1323
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 3: Her to be a cook, so she was somehow what

1324
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 3: in the kitchen? I don't know. I've copied and pasted

1325
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 3: a word that I never used. Proclensity.

1326
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: Propensity, clensity, proclensity. That's a word.

1327
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 3: I don't think it is shit. Hold on, I refuse

1328
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 3: I cot it and pasted it.

1329
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

1330
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: It sounded so good and I was gonna it kind

1331
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: of was like a combination of propensity and de clencho.

1332
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: But I'm almost positive.

1333
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: When your search proclesity did not match any such talk

1334
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: with her propensity. Is that right? Well, I'm never copying

1335
01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: and pasting from Wikipedia again.

1336
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 3: Odd, So it's not there's no, yeah, there's no, it's

1337
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 3: propensity or that's like it the.

1338
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 2: Correction, the correct Oh yeah, maybe they just the correct

1339
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 2: word is propensity.

1340
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: Fuck all right, I'm not hitting that out because this

1341
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: is who I am. I'm in a fucking show. Sometimes

1342
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 1: we get words wrong. It's okay, my pro cleanston in

1343
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: the kitchen. It sounds like pro clemston. Sounds like a

1344
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 1: like for men who are losing their hair.

1345
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, shampoo, take mint pro clenston every night, right, Okay.

1346
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: In nineteen hundred, she worked in Mammaronic New York. Heard

1347
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: of it, nope, where within two weeks of her employment,

1348
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: residents developed typhoid fever. In nineteen oh one, she moved

1349
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: to Manhattan, were members of the family whom.

1350
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,280
Speaker 3: She worked for developed fevers and diarrhea.

1351
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 2: That's a bummer to happen at the same time Yeah,

1352
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: that's horrible. You don't know what's happening and you have diarrhea. Right,

1353
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 2: she's a laundress died there.

1354
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 3: Oh no, there's name.

1355
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: They don't mention anywhere, which is like, listen, she's someone too,

1356
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 1: that's right. And then Mary Mallin goes on.

1357
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 3: To work for a lawyer.

1358
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: She left after seven of the eight people in that

1359
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: household became ill.

1360
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 3: She fucking laters. Did she keep leaving though? I don't know?

1361
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: She thinks she's so innocent. Well, it's so it's.

1362
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: Hard to tell because it's like, did she leave because

1363
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: everyone got sick and so the house stood still and

1364
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: they didn't need anyone? Or what did she need.

1365
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 3: Help the most?

1366
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: It's true chicken soup doesn't cook itself. Yeah, to stir itself,

1367
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.

1368
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 2: Okay, chicken soup can't stir itself without an arm, and

1369
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: it can't walk upstairs.

1370
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 3: Exactly, So okay.

1371
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: So then in nineteen oh six she goes to Oyster

1372
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: Bay and within two weeks ten of the eleven family

1373
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 1: members are hospitalized with typhoid. Changes job again, same thing happens,

1374
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 1: cooks for the Warren, Same thing happens the Bobbery blah okay.

1375
01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: Doctors theorized that Mary Mallan likely passed typhoid germs by

1376
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: failing to vigorously scrub her hands before handling food. Usually,

1377
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: the elevated temperatures of cooking food would have killed all

1378
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: the germs and bacteria and shit. But then they found

1379
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: out that Mary Mallin's like most popular dish. Her specialty

1380
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: was ice cream that she cut up raw peaches into

1381
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: and froze so nothing had gotten cooked. Oh can you

1382
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: imagine those.

1383
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:28,520
Speaker 3: Wet fucking peaches with her little.

1384
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: Like cutting knife under and all the nail under her

1385
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: nail stuff.

1386
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: As she's cutting peaches, she's also cutting a little bit

1387
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 2: of her finger along with.

1388
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 3: Ye oh god, she.

1389
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: Had a real pro quansity for cutting up her own flesh.

1390
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 3: I can't believe I got that word.

1391
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: Okay, the New York Health the New York City Health Department.

1392
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: Finally they try to get her to chill the fuck out,

1393
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 1: and she won't. Finally they sent position.

1394
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 3: She won't. She's like, fuck you and everyone must cook.

1395
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 1: She's like an angry, an angry woman.

1396
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 3: She had to fight for her, uh, like her life livelihood.

1397
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 3: You didn't have anybody, nobody, it reminds So.

1398
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: I just started watching Alias Grace, which you had talked

1399
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: about liking, and it reminds me of like she came

1400
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: over on a ship in that fucking in that nature

1401
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: of absolute bullshit and yeah she's like, fuck you, I'm

1402
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 1: working to like live my own life.

1403
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 2: I mean it's those The ship journey alone was so

1404
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:36,440
Speaker 2: upsetting for most people coming to this country, traumatizing, just horrifying.

1405
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 2: And then they show up and then it's like, I

1406
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 2: hope you have a job.

1407
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah.

1408
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: Also you don't wash your hands enough. Yeah that's what

1409
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: are you're talking about?

1410
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 3: You know what that reminds me of real quick.

1411
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I lived in Scotland, there was a commercial

1412
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 2: that was on like UK TV, and.

1413
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 3: It was are you a washer or a walker?

1414
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 2: And it was just a ca It was pretend camera,

1415
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: like hidden camera in a bathroom to see a p

1416
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: People walked up, checked their face and walked away, or

1417
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: washed their hands and walked And since that commercial, I

1418
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,679
Speaker 2: think before that, I was very like, Nah, who cares

1419
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: one way or the other?

1420
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 3: I know if I need to wash my hands.

1421
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: Since that commercial, I've oh, I washed my hands every

1422
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 2: single time.

1423
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 3: You just can't trust door knobs.

1424
01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,879
Speaker 1: You just can't trust door handles.

1425
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 3: You just should wash your hands as much as possible.

1426
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 3: And I do.

1427
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean you don't go out of your fucking mind.

1428
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: I do, but like, do your best.

1429
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 3: Don't be a walker, That's all I'm saying.

1430
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: My dad every he won't sit down and will go

1431
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: to lunch anywhere. He had just gone out of his car.

1432
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: He hasn't touched anything.

1433
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 3: He won't.

1434
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: He's kind of has OCD though, but he'll go wash

1435
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: his hands before like every time. You can't even start

1436
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: talking to him. Oh wow, wash his hands.

1437
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's like, if his parents are really

1438
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: strict about that, like before eating.

1439
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's a good idea.

1440
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: Every once in a while, I'll look at my hands,

1441
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 2: especially when I was wearing cheap jeans. Oh no, there's

1442
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 2: nothing worse than having dirty hands as an adult at

1443
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 2: like a meal.

1444
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 1: Putting a food thing into your mouth and being like,

1445
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: when was the last time I washed my hands? That's

1446
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: my fucking thing of like, and then there's will be

1447
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,400
Speaker 1: so many times you can go, well, I'm strengthening my

1448
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: immune system.

1449
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 3: Well, most of the time you're not.

1450
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: You're just putting someone else's fucking urine hands in your

1451
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: fucking mouth and from the door knob.

1452
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: We'd all have much stronger immune systems if that really

1453
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 2: was right.

1454
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: I have a bit of an OCD about washing hands.

1455
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 3: Well, you're Marty's daughter.

1456
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: I'm Marty Satter thrown through a hard stark. Doesn't let

1457
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:35,760
Speaker 1: her hands, doesn't mess, does not mess.

1458
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 3: Okay.

1459
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: So New York Sitales sends in physicians Sarah Josephine Baker

1460
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: to talk to Mary.

1461
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,759
Speaker 3: So the singer. Yeah, right, almost, it would be amazing

1462
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 3: at night. She was just amazing, Dan hands. That's not good.

1463
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 1: Baker said that by the time she was she said quote,

1464
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: by that time, she was convinced that the law was

1465
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: only persecuting her when she had done nothing wrong. So

1466
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: Mary was like hardcore, fuck you, Yeah, we're like that. Yeah,

1467
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: Baker's so this chick. Sarah Josephine Baker her own father

1468
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 1: and brother had died of typhoid when she was young,

1469
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: and so she had felt pressure to support her mother

1470
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 1: and sister financially. So at sixteen years old, she decided

1471
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 1: on a career in medicine. Wow, and this is like

1472
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: the early nineteen hundreds, Ladies and hundred.

1473
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:24,759
Speaker 3: This chick is a bad ass.

1474
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: Motherfucker in her own right, and people should fucking study her,

1475
01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: et cetera for feminist reasons.

1476
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:30,519
Speaker 3: She's fucking awesome.

1477
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: So she goes to find Mary Mallin and with her help,

1478
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,759
Speaker 1: the New York City Health Department takes Mary into custody

1479
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: in nineteen oh seven and places were into forced confinement

1480
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: inside a bungalow on sixteen acre North Brother Island off

1481
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: the Bronx Shore. So if you live and had lived

1482
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: in Manhattan or been in Manhattan, you see a fucking

1483
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: island over there off the shore that you can see.

1484
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 3: It's almost like Alcatraz in San Francisco, right.

1485
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: So all the only companion she has, and tell me

1486
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,280
Speaker 1: if this doesn't sound amazing, she's in confinement. All she

1487
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: has is a fox terrier like living the life?

1488
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 3: Can I please? So wait, I think I'm in that

1489
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 3: confinement right now? Put yourself in.

1490
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: Mary Mallan's fucking confinement.

1491
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: We're all all Irish women are doomed to live the

1492
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:21,759
Speaker 2: life of Mary Mallin.

1493
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 3: It just repeats itself. Damn it.

1494
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's at So they on this Brother Island

1495
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: was the Riverside Hospital which is where she's at. It's

1496
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 1: founded in the eighteen fifties as a smallpox hospital to

1497
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: treat and isolate victims of that disease. So they just

1498
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 1: fucking put them on this tiny island outside of Manhattan

1499
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: and you can see Manhattan and you're like, oh, well

1500
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 1: and I want that, and they're like, no, you're sick

1501
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 1: too bad. It eventually expands to other quarantineable diseases like

1502
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: leprosy and venereal diseases, so they just like, later people

1503
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: onto that island.

1504
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 3: Did they really?

1505
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you get you get some venereal disease and

1506
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 2: then you have to so.

1507
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 1: Like goes to stay here and tell you're, oh, in the.

1508
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,839
Speaker 3: Same room with all the other people with venarial diseases.

1509
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds kind of a party.

1510
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,679
Speaker 3: I mean those are the people that party.

1511
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1512
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 3: A lot of great personalities in that room, I bet.

1513
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure. Okay.

1514
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 1: With her forced confinement Mary Mallan, everyone the media goes

1515
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 1: fucking nuts because this woman has been spreading this disease

1516
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 1: and killing people with it.

1517
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 3: So media goes nuts.

1518
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,839
Speaker 1: Eventually, in nineteen oh eight, in the Journal of American

1519
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: Medical Association, she is nicknamed typhoid Mary. That's where she

1520
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: gets her name.

1521
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 3: So the professionals really they car Yeah, they were doing

1522
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 3: top notch journalism.

1523
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: Clear job everybody. So it turns out Mary Mallan is

1524
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: immune to the disease herself. She's the first person in

1525
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: the United States identified as an asymptomatic carrier of the pathogen,

1526
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 1: which is pretty fucking cool. Will in custody Mary Mallan,

1527
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: typhoid Mary, let's call her, admits to poor hygiene. She's like, yeah,

1528
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: what out it? Motherfuckers?

1529
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 2: Oh no, irish ah, I can't say.

1530
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 3: That's all you just say, who cares? Jesus Mary and

1531
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 3: Joseph those other things to worry about exactly those people

1532
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 3: started in my country.

1533
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,160
Speaker 1: She said she did not understand the purpose of hand

1534
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 1: washing because she did not pose a risk. Girl, you're

1535
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: the cook. You're the cook. You pose a risk. It

1536
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how healthy you are. They authorities are like,

1537
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: let's get rid of your gallbladder because that's where they

1538
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: believe the typhoid bacteria resided in. And she was like, fuck, no,

1539
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: fuck you, I don't even have the disease. And she

1540
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: wasn't willing to cease working as a cook too. So like,

1541
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: we'll let you go, just don't work as a cook.

1542
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: And she's like, nope, I now won't wash my hands.

1543
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 3: Go fuck yourself.

1544
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 2: Fight fight, fight, fight, Harry Fight. We're so angry, it

1545
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. Irish women, Irish women, fight, fight, fight,

1546
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 2: and her turkey.

1547
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 1: She uh is forced to give one hundred and sixty

1548
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: three samples of various bodily substances to the doctors there,

1549
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty of which tested positive for the bacteria.

1550
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 3: She was teeming with this disease.

1551
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: To the hilt, to the guilt, to the guilt, to

1552
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: the gills. So Mary stays there for three years until

1553
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: test results from a private laboratory, yes, I said that

1554
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: came up negative for typhoid. And with this information, in

1555
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 1: nineteen oh nine, Mary sues the health department for her freedom.

1556
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: But everyone's like, where'd she get the money to sue

1557
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: the health department? And then it's like a secret thing

1558
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,640
Speaker 1: that maybe William Randolph Hurst was like, well, give you

1559
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: the money if you give me like an interview, so

1560
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: like he was like springing people. So genius, yeah, so smart.

1561
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: But the New York Supreme Court's like, go fuck yourself. No,

1562
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: But then in nineteen ten, there's a new health commissioner.

1563
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,760
Speaker 1: He lets her go if she promises never to work

1564
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 1: as a cook again, and she's like, okay, great.

1565
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 3: She's like fine. I didn't like that much anyway.

1566
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in February of nineteen ten, Mary agreed that

1567
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: she was quote prepared to change her occupation and would

1568
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: give assurance by Affi David that she would, upon her release,

1569
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: take such hygienic precautions as would protect those with whom

1570
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: she came in contact from infection. I meaning, wash her

1571
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: fucking hands. I'll wash my fucking hands.

1572
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 2: No, I just I felt like I wanted to defend.

1573
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 2: But there's it's indefensible. Go ahead, Nike.

1574
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: Some people don't think some people think what that her

1575
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: being locked up is indefensible.

1576
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:35,959
Speaker 3: No, she killed a ton of people because she refused

1577
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 3: to watch.

1578
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: She wouldn't It's like she wouldn't give in anything where

1579
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, well, if you're the cook, you have

1580
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 2: to admit handwashing is kind of key. I realized it was.

1581
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 2: That was kind of a new idea back then. But still, well,

1582
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 2: the thing is.

1583
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: So she thought they were allot to get her and

1584
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: all this shit. You're like decades later, they're like, well,

1585
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 1: if she had typhoid her whole life, maybe it fucked

1586
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:58,879
Speaker 1: her brain up a little bit and she was paranoid

1587
01:17:58,920 --> 01:17:59,439
Speaker 1: and crazy.

1588
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, but wait, it gets worse.

1589
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So they let her out, they lose track

1590
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: of her.

1591
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 3: Goodbye, bad idea.

1592
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: Cut to five years later, in nineteen fifteen, a typhoid

1593
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:17,800
Speaker 1: outbreak happens at Manhattan's Sloan Maternity Hospital, struck twenty five

1594
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: workers and killed two of those workers. When Soaper, our friend,

1595
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: George Soaper, is back, he looks into the outbreak and

1596
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 1: he's like, this looks fucking familiar.

1597
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 3: Oh no.

1598
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,480
Speaker 1: She traces it back to the cook, who's an irishwoman

1599
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: named Mary Brown. This time she changed her name.

1600
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 3: She sounded a good man.

1601
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 1: Nope, she changed her name so she could become a cook.

1602
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: Like she was doing it.

1603
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 3: Now she's responsible for it.

1604
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: A dick, you know what I mean? Yeah, Now it's criminal.

1605
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: I think it's Mary Mallina Blah. It turns out she

1606
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 1: changed her name and during her years of release, she

1607
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: had cooked in hotels, restaurants and institutions. Wow, so she

1608
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: was like she'd gone to they'd given her job as

1609
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: a laundress. You make no fucking money.

1610
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 3: It's really hard work.

1611
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: Doesn't smell good, doesn't smell good.

1612
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 3: She was like, fuck the shit and went to cook.

1613
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 1: Wherever she worked, there were outbreaks of typhoid. However, she

1614
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: changed jops so frequently so she had eluded the blame.

1615
01:19:12,840 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 1: She's captured and again confined a North Brother Island, where

1616
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: she continued to refuse to acknowledge that she had any

1617
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:20,840
Speaker 1: connection between.

1618
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 3: Herself and the typhoid cases.

1619
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 2: Well, at that point, it's so stacked up against her, yeah,

1620
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 2: that she might as well just do that, because she's

1621
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 2: so guilty that the second she breaks, it's over.

1622
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1623
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: So after the second, the second apprehension, she spends the

1624
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: next twenty three years of her life as a prisoner

1625
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 1: in forest isolation. Hundreds, if not thousands, of asymptomatic carriers

1626
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: who had been identified, were allowed to walk the streets

1627
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:52,520
Speaker 1: of New York Freeley, but typhoid Mary lived alone in exile,

1628
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 1: partly do because the public were fucking pissed at her,

1629
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 1: because she wouldn't stay out the kitchen, like if she

1630
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: had just not gone back to cooking, Yes.

1631
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 2: That second time around, exactly, she I mean, I didn't.

1632
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 2: It's sad that she lived in isolation. But you why

1633
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 2: are you being so stubborn? Yeah, calm down, Karen, oh.

1634
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 3: Oh, Karen's and just my face just starts to fall apart.

1635
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it. It just comes out

1636
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 3: of me. Your typhoid tears just started running out. The

1637
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 3: thing so bad.

1638
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 1: But stay at the kitchen. On November eleventh, nineteen thirty eight,

1639
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 1: Mary Mallan dies of pneumonia at age sixty nine, still

1640
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,759
Speaker 1: in captivity. An autopsy found evidence of live toy foid

1641
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,040
Speaker 1: typhoid bacteria in her gallbladder. So they were right, Yeah,

1642
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: they were right. Her bodies cremated and her ashes were

1643
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: buried at Saint Raymond's Cemetery in the Bronx. So, Mary Mallan,

1644
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: it's thought that she infected fifty one people, and three

1645
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: of those illnesses resulted in death, and that's on George

1646
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: Soper's you know, looking into it.

1647
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 3: But she used so many.

1648
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: Aliases that it's thought that she the true death toll

1649
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: could have been way fucking higher. Some estimated that she

1650
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 1: had made have caused fifty fatalities, which I just saw

1651
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 1: that in a random article. So I don't know if

1652
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: that's even true. Historians say she cantaminated at least one

1653
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:22,040
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two people and killed five, which sounds

1654
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: a little more likely.

1655
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 3: So crazy though, Yeah.

1656
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: So. Throughout the twentieth century, typhoid fever steadily declines due

1657
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 1: to introduction of vaccinations and improvements in public sanitation and

1658
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: hygienes aka wash her fucking hands, and today typhoid fever

1659
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: is considered a rare condition among developed Countries' raid is

1660
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: approximately five cases per million per year. As her fucking

1661
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: brother Island and Riverside Hospital, Real quick, this fucking island

1662
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: of disease off the Manhattan sounds.

1663
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:55,839
Speaker 3: Amazing, sounds amazing.

1664
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: The island has been abandoned since nineteen sixty three after

1665
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,800
Speaker 1: it was a detention. It was lasted attention facility for

1666
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: juvenile drug offenders in nineteen sixty three.

1667
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 3: How badly do you wish you could go and just

1668
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 3: sit on the wall and like.

1669
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:08,080
Speaker 1: Stare at people there are you.

1670
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 3: Know there's some black light posters in that building that.

1671
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's some people out there who have stories of.

1672
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 2: Like they were like yeah, because you know my mom

1673
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 2: working in the mental She worked at a hospital called

1674
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 2: Langley Porter in San Francisco. Huh, it's up on the hill,

1675
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 2: yea kind And and people in the sixties used to

1676
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 2: send their kids if they got caught smoking pot. One time,

1677
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 2: they sent their kids to the mental health christ So

1678
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 2: she said there were in the like mental late sixties,

1679
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 2: all these kids. There was like an influx of kids

1680
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 2: are like they're incorrigible in their drug addicts where they

1681
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,719
Speaker 2: had only done like smoked one.

1682
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 1: Joint or just like we're saying no to things exactly.

1683
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: It was like they were housed with people who are

1684
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: legitimately in need of mental.

1685
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,839
Speaker 3: Mental health health issues.

1686
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:57,680
Speaker 1: And I'm sure those kids were like, well, I'm never

1687
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:58,759
Speaker 1: doing anything bad again.

1688
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: Yes the ship that they saw like yeah, yeah, or

1689
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 2: they were like I don't know. She just said it

1690
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 2: was really sad and bummed her out a lot.

1691
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: It's clearly complicated. Yeah, So these kids got sent there

1692
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three. Finally it closed. It's now uninhabited

1693
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 1: and designated as a bird sanctuary. But wait, it's illegal

1694
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 1: for anyone to go on the island without permission from

1695
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 1: the city. All the buildings though, still fucking stand. And

1696
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 1: these photographers sometimes go on there and take photos and

1697
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: you can see a bunch of the photos. We should

1698
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,280
Speaker 1: put them up on Instagram of these gorgeous like brick

1699
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 1: buildings that are falling into disrepair. And you can see

1700
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,080
Speaker 1: the rooms where Mary Mallan was fucking housed, and you

1701
01:23:37,080 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: can see the typhoid a wing, and you can see

1702
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: the fucking crematorium and it's like, it's insanely gorgeous. I

1703
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: am asking any Murderino who works for the City of Manhattan,

1704
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 1: please let me and Karen come and see the fucking island.

1705
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: Come and get a disease of our own for ourselves.

1706
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,600
Speaker 1: And since it's like under you know under Watch, and

1707
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 1: you it's really hard to get on there. Everything still there,

1708
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 1: so like people haven't graffiti and people haven't stolen ship

1709
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 1: from the island.

1710
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

1711
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 1: You need to see the photos. Everything is covered in wildlife.

1712
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: It's gorgeous.

1713
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: Oh, I want to see that.

1714
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

1715
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 2: It sounds like the island they threatened to send or

1716
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,280
Speaker 2: that they promised to send doctor Lector to and Silence

1717
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 2: of Lambs. That ends up to be that they were

1718
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 2: like fakesies. When she recites that thing, you are allowed

1719
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 2: to walk on the beach every.

1720
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: Day whatever I want to read that.

1721
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 3: It's so good, do it good. You will be allowed

1722
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 3: one You.

1723
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:39,200
Speaker 2: Will be allowed one walk one day a year. Well,

1724
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 2: you can walk freely on the beach with armguards or

1725
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: ever snipers.

1726
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 3: I don't know if she knows fake either.

1727
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 2: I know my friend, my friend Amy, who you met

1728
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 2: when we were in uh Wisconsin. She she has sounds, slams,

1729
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 2: memorized love. I've watched it with and she'll just say

1730
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 2: the line real quick before. It's my favorite thing in

1731
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: the world.

1732
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 3: I love it. You will be allowed to walk. She'd

1733
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 3: be able to do that speech right off the dome.

1734
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 3: It's so good.

1735
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 1: I love all these dumbs. Okay, it's a legal loobbody blot,

1736
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: but you could still see the building, the room where

1737
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: Typhoid Mary spent the last twenty three years of her life.

1738
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,879
Speaker 3: Was she doing there? Oh man, she was bummed.

1739
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: But it's just like there's varying accounts where it's like

1740
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: some say she was like actually helping out there and

1741
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 1: like a maid, and some say that she was just

1742
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: like in seclusion and they abandoned her and used her

1743
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: as like a look at Typhoid Mary. You know, when

1744
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 1: people would come to the island, yeah, that kind of thing.

1745
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,240
Speaker 1: So you don't really know. I hope there was a

1746
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: fox terrier.

1747
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1748
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then I also want to mention there's a podcast.

1749
01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:50,479
Speaker 1: If you're into this shit that like I am, there's

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01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: a podcast that's kind of new. It's hosted by two

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01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: these two young ladies who are grad students in disease ecology. Oh,

1752
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: it's called this podcast kill You, and it's just about

1753
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: infectious diseases from history, and every episode is that.

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01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: And these these two.

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Speaker 1: Girls are named their both named Aaron, are like, it's

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01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 1: just an awesome.

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Speaker 3: Podcast, this podcast great. Yeah, so this podcast will kill

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01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 3: you love it.

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01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 2: I like to imagine that typhoid Mary sat in seclusion

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01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 2: in her room on that island and fantasized of all

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Speaker 2: the different things she'd like to put her hand in.

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01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 2: Then like she'd be like corn chowder or whatever, and

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01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:33,240
Speaker 2: then like mashed potatoes, and then both her fantasies just

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Speaker 2: like both bare.

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Speaker 1: Arms go all the way in and then like she

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Speaker 1: cleans her fingernails in the chowder. Yes, I wonder if

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Speaker 1: she like requested like cooking magazines and like red recipes

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01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: and was like stick stick your arm completely in.

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Speaker 3: She'd be like this looks good, but you know what

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01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 3: needs my arm?

1771
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: My arm, my fingernail clippings. And it's not funny.

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Speaker 3: People, it's disgusting. It's terrible. But isn't that amazing? It's incredible. Also,

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01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 3: the idea this did you watch The Nick when it

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Speaker 3: was on?

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01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have a uh there's an episode involving her.

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01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 3: I watched the little scene where they they and yes.

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01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 2: Where they confront her. Yeah, it's that was such a

1778
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 2: good show. And they did that around show. We're good.

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01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 3: She was great. But they did that where they would

1780
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Speaker 3: take those.

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Speaker 2: Things out of history and be like this is what

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Speaker 2: where you don't have any sense like things before modern

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Speaker 2: medicine or modern stuff. It's just the weirdest idea where

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01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 2: they'd be like somebody coming in, they'd be like, welp,

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01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:34,759
Speaker 2: we tried to stick a tube.

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Speaker 3: In their arm and then they died like the end.

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01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:40,200
Speaker 3: Or it's just it was so crazy, precarious. And The

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01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 3: Nick is such a great show. I love that show.

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01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're into that kind of thing, you should

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01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: definitely watch it.

1791
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:45,759
Speaker 3: It was great.

1792
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 2: Also, if you've ever taken cocaine to the point where

1793
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,080
Speaker 2: it was a problem, for you. I warn sugar warning,

1794
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 2: huge cocaine. Trigger warning for the nick opium too.

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Speaker 3: You're like, I could be a doctor in New Coke

1796
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Speaker 3: all the time.

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01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: No, maybe you're in an opium dence. Trigger warning.

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Speaker 2: You love to lay back with a bunch of people

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01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 2: dressed in traditional Chinese garb.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then this will be hard for you to get through.

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01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:12,680
Speaker 3: It's gonna make you nut.

1802
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: But if you love surgery without gloves or anesthesia, this

1803
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 1: is a show for you.

1804
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 3: What a show? Or Clive Owen, right, that was great,

1805
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:21,320
Speaker 3: Thank you?

1806
01:28:21,479 --> 01:28:22,000
Speaker 1: That was fun.

1807
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 3: I love to learn.

1808
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: I loved I loved teaching. I love saying words wrong.

1809
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 3: I loved I love to learn. I love to lie.

1810
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 1: I love to make up new words.

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Speaker 3: I love to just have fun with it. Just say

1812
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Speaker 3: ship that.

1813
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Speaker 1: And you know, don't have any uh proclinsity for caring.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have a real proclensity to just say

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Speaker 2: what I want, and I think we all do. And

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Speaker 2: there's a freedom in that, in these proclensities we all have.

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Speaker 1: In this preclensiest time, there's a freedom.

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Speaker 3: It's so the funniest thing about Typhoid Murray.

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01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 2: Is she she had a real problem with cleent clensliness.

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Speaker 1: Shit, No, I love it. It was a fucking valiant effort.

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01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 1: I tried, but you can see me.

1822
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Speaker 3: You can see me making that U turn for miles away.

1823
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Speaker 1: Would you have made that attempt two years ago before

1824
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Speaker 1: this podcast?

1825
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Speaker 3: Absolutely no, not at all.

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Speaker 2: So I real bias against ponds, as you know, and

1827
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: so I applaud you, and uh no, I think it's

1828
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 2: the effect that that you have on my life.

1829
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm making you stupider.

1830
01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 3: You're breaking down those coun walls.

1831
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:33,320
Speaker 1: I am stupid erring you hard, you know, real hard.

1832
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Speaker 3: Okay, we are back.

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Speaker 2: Are there any updates for the one of the great

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Speaker 2: stories of modern America?

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Speaker 1: There's no updates, but I mentioned none other than this

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Speaker 1: podcast Will Kill You during this story, which became part

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Speaker 1: of the Exactly Right Network on November twenty eighth, twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: See there's all kinds of East Riggs. If you pay attention,

1839
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Speaker 2: pay attention, pay attention.

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Speaker 1: You can check out the website at this podcast Will

1841
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 1: Kill You dot com and listen wherever we get your

1842
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Speaker 1: podcasts and watch full episodes on the exactly Right YouTube

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Speaker 1: page at YouTube dot com slash exactly right Media.

1844
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Speaker 3: Okay, so you just heart the.

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Speaker 1: Moment when I accidentally invented the word proclasity. We liked

1846
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Speaker 1: it so much we named the episode after it, and now,

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Speaker 1: eight years later, so very timely, we are making merch.

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Speaker 1: I have a hometown about typhoid Mary. If you want

1853
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Speaker 1: me to read it, please do.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

1855
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: We received this email from listener Angela. It's called Teaching

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01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:49,800
Speaker 1: hand Washing featuring Typhoid Mary. Yes, hi, MFM. I teach

1857
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: an afterschool cooking class for elementary school students. How cute.

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01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Every week we make a new recipe where the students

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01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: get to work with food, eat what they've made, and

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01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,600
Speaker 1: take home a recipe sheet. It's super fun and also exhausting.

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01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: Shout out to the full time teachers. I don't know

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01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: how you do it, being that we're working with food

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01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,200
Speaker 1: in large groups. My number one rule in class is

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01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: that students have to wash their hands before handling food.

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01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:13,120
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:13,639
Speaker 1: Huh.

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01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 3: I try.

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01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: I won't even like when I go leave, my sister's

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01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 1: stop listening right now, even though she doesn't listen. When

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01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: I go to her house for dinner, I don't touch.

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01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,559
Speaker 1: I don't really eat much. Those two little kids, they

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01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 1: get their hands in every love to touch and poke

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01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: and put things back, and I eat before I go.

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01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 2: Can I really quickly tell you a story of my

1875
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 2: sister leaving work as a kindergarten teacher, going to some

1876
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,160
Speaker 2: sort of a school function.

1877
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 3: It was taco night.

1878
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 2: She's setting up all the stuff for tacos, and she

1879
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 2: just put out this huge, like a pile of grated

1880
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,679
Speaker 2: cheese to go down the buffet, and like a little

1881
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 2: six year old walks over and just sticks his hand

1882
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:50,559
Speaker 2: in the center of the cheese and starts eating it,

1883
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 2: and my sister whips around it. She's like, that is

1884
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 2: not how you b And then another mom comes over

1885
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:58,679
Speaker 2: and puts her hand on my sister's back and goes,

1886
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 2: maybe you take your talk, doesn't go home, And I

1887
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna do not food shame kids.

1888
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so true where it's like, that's the

1889
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 2: thing about little kids is there?

1890
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:11,519
Speaker 3: They're dirty? Monster?

1891
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 1: Oh they are, and I won't eat. I won't eat

1892
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 1: around them. Okay, wash their hands on it. I try

1893
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: explaining that it keeps everyone strong and healthy. It's a

1894
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:20,679
Speaker 1: good habit. Hand sanitizer is not the same as running

1895
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 1: water and soap, et cetera. Despite my honest attempts, I

1896
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 1: know some of these kids just fake it when they

1897
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 1: when I send them off to go wash their hands.

1898
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 1: I did that too, That's why I won't eat it.

1899
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:30,719
Speaker 1: I know what fucking disgusting.

1900
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 2: I was having a chocolate chip cookie. You're like, did

1901
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 2: you make this with playda? Because it's real salty and

1902
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:36,959
Speaker 2: it's red.

1903
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:38,800
Speaker 3: And now I have distemper.

1904
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: So last fall, I thought of a more impactful way

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01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: to teach them about the importance of hand washing by

1906
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 1: telling them the story of typhoid Mary.

1907
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 3: That's right, scare the share out of them watching you.

1908
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 1: So, as I'm delivering my hand washing spiel on the

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01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 1: first day of class, I asked the students if anyone

1910
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:56,760
Speaker 1: has ever heard of typhoid Mary. I then acted like

1911
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 1: it was a spooky story that was too scary to tell,

1912
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 1: which just made.

1913
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 3: Them want to hear it.

1914
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: More perfect, I went on to tell a kid friendly

1915
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 1: version of her story as a servant and home chef,

1916
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 1: her lack of hand washing that led to widespread typhoid

1917
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: transmission and multiple deaths, being pinned by the police and

1918
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,880
Speaker 1: put into solitary confinement, and her continuous refusal to wash

1919
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,559
Speaker 1: her hands. To put the midias, I assured them that

1920
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 1: public sanitation and medicine have come a long way since

1921
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 1: her time. Nevertheless, they got the message. I noticed a

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01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 1: significant drop off of hand washing protesters and more openness

1923
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 1: towards hand washing in general. Gat Now, when I go

1924
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:36,920
Speaker 1: over hand washing roles on the first day of every term,

1925
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: I inevitably have at least one repeat student interjecting.

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01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:41,679
Speaker 3: Tell us the story.

1927
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, watch a little murdery No so good, And

1928
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 1: of course I oblige, and it is the most attention

1929
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 1: the class pays me all term. I always appreciate revisiting

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01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 1: George's telling of Mary's story, just to make sure I

1931
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: get all those nitty gritty details right. Stay sexy and

1932
01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,720
Speaker 1: wash your hands, Angela, Oh so.

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Speaker 3: Good, amazing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for us to get into the good

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01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 2: things of the week portion of the show A thing

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01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: we used to do.

1937
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: I think we used to have good portions of the week.

1938
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 2: We used to really find those, We find the silver lining,

1939
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:14,599
Speaker 2: and we'd shove it right into the show.

1940
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:23,679
Speaker 3: So take a listen. Oh what just makes you happy?

1941
01:34:24,520 --> 01:34:28,600
Speaker 2: Let's see falling down and snapping my ankle loudly in

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01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 2: front of my neighbors.

1943
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 3: Oh no, I kind of have one. Yeah, go ahead, Okay.

1944
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: The thing that makes me happy this week is this

1945
01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 1: book that I'm listening to, Thank you Audible. It's sci

1946
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 1: fi fantasy, and it's one of those books that makes

1947
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:47,400
Speaker 1: me that someone thought of this narrative and thought of this, like, uh,

1948
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, idea makes me happy that humans, that certain

1949
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,160
Speaker 1: humans exist. You know. It's like so fucking joyous that

1950
01:34:54,240 --> 01:34:56,280
Speaker 1: like people can think of these things and write these books.

1951
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 1: And it's gorgeous and I love it. It's called The Child,

1952
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 1: it's called Children of Time I Am by Adrian Tchaikovsky,

1953
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: and it's sci fi fantasy. The book is really fun

1954
01:35:06,240 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 1: to listen to. It's fucking weirdst shit. It's like posthuman

1955
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 1: space stuff with their spiders. I've never in my life

1956
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 1: thought I would ever have sympathy to spiders.

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01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:18,320
Speaker 4: But I do.

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01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: It's like such a good book and it's making me

1959
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:22,240
Speaker 1: really happy.

1960
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 3: To exist.

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01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like they're the Hitchhiker's Guide to

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01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: the Galaxy, you know, like, yeah, that's the last book

1963
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,040
Speaker 1: that's done that for me, which has made me like

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01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 1: so happy that Douglas Adams existed.

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01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 3: And it's like your big theories and thoughts and feelings.

1966
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, someone thought of that. Our brains are

1967
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 1: bigger than you know, in these precleensives times.

1968
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 3: Where everything feels kind of proclemsed right.

1969
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: And I know I'm not going to write that fucking book,

1970
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 1: so I appreciate that Adrian Tchaikovsky has.

1971
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that really sat down and yeah.

1972
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's making me happy.

1973
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 3: I agreed, agreed. What's yours?

1974
01:35:59,600 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 1: Okay?

1975
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 3: Mine is this is?

1976
01:36:01,479 --> 01:36:04,679
Speaker 2: This was a tweet that I received two days ago.

1977
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 2: You did too, from a woman named Molly on uh

1978
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 2: hold on, oh sorry.

1979
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 3: Haunted Train. That's so fucking wow.

1980
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 2: It's me Chernick on Twitter. And she wrote to us

1981
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 2: and said, don't be alarmed if there's a body down

1982
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 2: there in quotes, and then that the headline of the

1983
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:31,879
Speaker 2: article that she sent it sent us says, sinkhole reveals

1984
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 2: hidden room below family's garage and then there's a picture

1985
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 2: of shelving that they can see through the hole, and

1986
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: on the shelf there's toys, but it's also all dark

1987
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 2: and creepy, and it's like this article. So it happened

1988
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 2: in Idaho Falls, Idaho, this family apparently when they like,

1989
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:59,799
Speaker 2: there's like an inch of cement and then the sinkhole happened.

1990
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 2: And basically there had been a hidden room underneath their house.

1991
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,919
Speaker 2: And it's in a place where they're normally not sellers.

1992
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 2: So they're like, they think it's possible that could have

1993
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 2: been like a bomb shelter, but probably not. Yeah, and

1994
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff that's down there has been down

1995
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 2: there for like forty or fifty years.

1996
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 1: That is that how I couldn't find how long it was.

1997
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: It's like forty to fifty years.

1998
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 2: I don't think that they were like letterers and shit, Yes,

1999
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 2: but they thought's the crazy. Let me see if I

2000
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 2: can get a year. They Oh, the home was built

2001
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 2: in the fifties and it was built as a basement home.

2002
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,360
Speaker 2: Then someone came in the seventies and remodeled it and

2003
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:41,879
Speaker 2: added the second story.

2004
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 1: So i've been in the seventies someone put it down there.

2005
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they say it's definitely not a bomb shelter,

2006
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 2: and that it's sketchy. And the insurance provider and the

2007
01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 2: engineer are the ones that said, don't be alarmed if

2008
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 2: you find a body down there.

2009
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Don't be alarmed.

2010
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, find a body, because they're basically going down there

2011
01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 3: and looking through it. It's it's just like that picture

2012
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,839
Speaker 3: of the old kind of water, moldy letters and stuff.

2013
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 3: It's just the creepiest story of all times.

2014
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 2: So I'm very as I think you know, but I'm

2015
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,120
Speaker 2: not sure if everybody knows, but I'm obsessed with sinkholes.

2016
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 2: Sinkholes are truly my passion. Anytime I was I was

2017
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 2: never more livid. Remember the sinkhole that came up off

2018
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:32,799
Speaker 2: of Laurel Canyon.

2019
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 3: I was up in.

2020
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,760
Speaker 2: Pedalimma and I saw it on the news and I

2021
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 2: was livid because she couldn't go meet it in person. Yeah,

2022
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 2: I would have eaten greet. I would have walked right

2023
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 2: down there. I would have paid top dollar for that

2024
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,759
Speaker 2: meet and great. I've been like, Hi, where did.

2025
01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 3: You come from, what's your deal?

2026
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,680
Speaker 2: What's happening down there? Is it a are you a

2027
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,440
Speaker 2: hidden river? Or are you something.

2028
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 3: Entirely different, so amazing. Yeah, sinkhole and hidden room.

2029
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:02,360
Speaker 1: Come on, my parent sinkhole. That's amazing. This is a

2030
01:39:02,439 --> 01:39:05,120
Speaker 1: double ease for you. It's a sinkhole and a hitting realm.

2031
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 2: And because the best part about usually sinkholes fill back

2032
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 2: up with water, because that's why they're there in the

2033
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:10,439
Speaker 2: first place.

2034
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 3: Is like the water table got too close, bloody block

2035
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:13,680
Speaker 3: at you.

2036
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 2: It's made up, but it's a water involved you know,

2037
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:24,959
Speaker 2: that's why. Sure, it's erosion, but it's underneath. Okay, anyhow,

2038
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:28,600
Speaker 2: there's no water in this in that cellar. It's like

2039
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 2: they can go down and look into it. I know,

2040
01:39:30,920 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 2: it's not like it got floated immediately or filled a silt.

2041
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 3: No, I want to go. I want to go down there.

2042
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 3: Let's go.

2043
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 1: It's like an amusement park.

2044
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 3: Let's go.

2045
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:47,919
Speaker 2: Idaho is not that far away.

2046
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,719
Speaker 1: And we're back back back.

2047
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:51,320
Speaker 2: Finally, it's time to talk about the number one title

2048
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 2: of this of ten years of podcasting, proclensity.

2049
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,280
Speaker 1: I stand by that word truly my favorite.

2050
01:39:57,400 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 4: Uh.

2051
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:01,520
Speaker 1: Okay, we could be called death confetti, oh, because we're competti.

2052
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 2: That's right, or white blue, white blue, which was uh

2053
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 2: what I would move my song leader gloves around.

2054
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: How about the Colombo of Diseases.

2055
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:15,000
Speaker 3: Or the Shellfish Constable. Yeah, that was a good one.

2056
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 1: Oh, the couches Forever.

2057
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many buck sacks. The Joy of Kittens, it's.

2058
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:24,439
Speaker 2: Just proclensity wins. I don't I there's some funny ones,

2059
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 2: but I feel like there's I just remember that title.

2060
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 1: It sounds like a word.

2061
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 3: Um. All right, that's it for this week's rewind. Let's

2062
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 3: let's go.

2063
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 1: Back and say goodbye from good old twenty eighteen.

2064
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 3: Thanks for listening everyone.

2065
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a fun one. Yeah, there's all kinds

2066
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 2: of crazy shit in that one. Take it, run with it,

2067
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 2: do your thing thing, do a fucking.

2068
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 1: Herky at the end of it, do a hurcy.

2069
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:58,240
Speaker 2: I'm if it's please. If you're going to correct me

2070
01:40:58,280 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 2: on the hurcy positioning.

2071
01:40:59,560 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: Don't do it it.

2072
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:01,120
Speaker 3: Uh.

2073
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 2: You have to be a professional cheerleader, that's all. Only

2074
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 2: take emails from professional.

2075
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 1: Cheerlead and you have to send a video of you

2076
01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 1: doing a hurk.

2077
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 2: We need the correct hurk and then we'll play the

2078
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:12,639
Speaker 2: audio of the visual of the video.

2079
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 3: Then in breaking your bag turkey hurky.

2080
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, friends, Stay sexy and don't get murdered.

2081
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:24,040
Speaker 3: Goodbye, bye Elvis.

2082
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 1: Do you want a cookie? Well cookie, Oh, the little

2083
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 1: one