1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: Cool, happy holidays, Renee. It's nearly the end of the year. 2 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: We have so much ground to cover, so little time 3 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: to cover it in. You and I are busy women. 4 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: We fly around, we go to parties, we have daily 5 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: streaming shows. So really just catching our breath, finding a 6 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: moment to look into each other's eyes via zoom talk 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: about some of the best, worst, and most important stories 8 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: of the day. It's only time our fan have been 9 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: requesting it. We've tried to find time, and here we 10 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: are on a Friday, a rainy, rainy Friday, ahead of 11 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: the holidays about to kick off. Where should we even start? 12 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: It's our year end wrap up. We could start in 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: so many different places. First of all, why don't you 14 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: tell me since the last time we spoke when you 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: were launching this is. 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 2: The longest intro of your life with me right now? 17 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: But I know the people who listen to this, No, 18 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,279 Speaker 1: I have lugger ea. Yeah, when we were recording last episode. 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: It was in the launch pheuse of your new show, 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: How's It Going Now? Power Hour thro NAW stubs on 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Amazon Sports Network is available both live four to five 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: est and on demand. How's It Going? 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: First of all, you got to listen. If you're going 24 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: to promote my show, you got to get the times right. Okay, 25 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: it's The Power Hour at five pm Eastern, five to 26 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 2: six pm Eastern. Now, for all of you out there, 27 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: I've been getting tweets and messages from people they're sort 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 2: of semi abusing me that they can't find the show. 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what to tell you. I don't do 30 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: the algorithm algorithms. So what I'm going to say is 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: you go to Prime Video, okay, and you just type 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: in search if you really get lost, and type in 33 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 2: the Power Hour and put my name in there stubs 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: and it will come up for you, and it is 35 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: all on demand. Now you will even get to see 36 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: an interview I did with this chucklehead that I'm looking 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: at right now on my zoom, Caitlin Thompson. There's a 38 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: great interview with Mary Carillo talking about the life and 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: legacy and sadly the passing away of Nick Bolea Terry, 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: which was last week that we did not talk about 41 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 2: on our pod. But so that was a really great interview. 42 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: So I really hope people will tune in just to 43 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 2: see that interview in and of itself. But the show's 44 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: going great, Caitlin. I'm talking about everything other than tennis 45 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: right now because there's no tennis on. What we will 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: get into talking about today is some of the things 47 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: I've been talking about with tennis, which is the ATP 48 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: and WTA wards. Oh, there's been some vitriol on the 49 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: old tweets. 50 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: When hasn't there been vitriol in the old tweets? 51 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: I mean, people are just nuts. But anyway, yes, we 52 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: get into that that the show is great. I'm really 53 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: enjoying it. Amana Lei is my producer and he and 54 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: I have become good friends, and it's a great show. 55 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: I really enjoy it. We're talking a lot of World Cup, 56 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: We're talking a lot of know everything that I'm sort 57 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: of interested in as well, which we're going to talk 58 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: about skiing a little more and give you know, the 59 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 2: Mikaela Shifferns of the world even more love. So yeah, 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: it's been really fun. 61 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: It's fun for me to hear how much you know 62 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: and follow and are curious about other sports. I mean, 63 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people who follow tennis, it's 64 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: one of many many sports they follow. And I also 65 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: appreciate that the lens that makes your tennis coverage so good, 66 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: which is that you're not afraid to ask hard questions 67 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: and you like the sort of hidden narrative stories is 68 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: really coming out in all of these other sports now 69 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: and giving me, in the case of things I know 70 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: more about, a cool lens and in the things I 71 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: know less about, like I love to ski, I love 72 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: ski racing, I don't know all that much about it, 73 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: and so getting an entry point into the sport has 74 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: been really, really wonderful. So anybody who has not done so. 75 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: Amazon Sports five to six pm, Power Hour, eest and 76 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: on demand, and it's really cool. You had our friend 77 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: Andrea Petkovic on, We've had Mary Carillo on talking about 78 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: Nick Terry. You've gotten. 79 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: Listen. Yesterday I talked to a woman that was the 80 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: professor at the University of Texas about Russian jails and 81 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: the penal colony that Britney Griner was located in, and 82 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: her insight into that was really fascinating. So we get 83 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: some really sort of random cool people on there talking 84 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: about various things in sports. So, you know, one of 85 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: my favorite shows in the world is Real Sports on HBO, 86 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: which Mary Carillo is a part of, and I just 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: love that we can tie in sports to everyday life 88 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: as well, so we get to talk about that. I'm 89 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: going to talk about women's volleyball today, so it's really 90 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: pretty cool. It's fun. I'm enjoying it. Well, anyway, let's 91 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: go too. 92 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: Now, let's talk to the mean sport that everyone who 93 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: listens to the show is the most keen to discuss, 94 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: because God knows, we have to talk about another dumb 95 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: sport at the event at very end of this and 96 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: we might not make it with the anger. So let's 97 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: talk about something we love, which is tennis, which has 98 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: just released its WTA and ATP awards, which is great 99 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: because not only does it give us a chance to 100 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: celebrate the people who won big tournaments, which is kind 101 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: of the way that the tennis establishment already dedicates a 102 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: lot of coverage, a lot of noise, a lot of 103 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: attention to, but also some of the players who do 104 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: a lot in the human humanitarian realms, a lot of 105 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: the players who are considered sort of you know, great 106 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: sports by their peers, a lot of the players who 107 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: you know, commit acts of service, et cetera. So for me, 108 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 1: it's really fun to see a little bit of an 109 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: insight into the world, voted on by categories that include 110 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: the players themselves, so you really get a sense of 111 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: how this place works as a workplace essentially. So let's 112 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: get into it. Atp we have the number one, not 113 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: a surprise to anybody who's following the last couple of 114 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: years as colors Algoraz the men's Doubles, Wesley Kohath and 115 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: Neil Skupsky, Comeback Player of the Year Born at Korich, 116 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: Newcomer of the Year, Whole Garuna, the Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award, 117 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: our favorite Oatmeal Stallion. Very very excited about that because 118 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: I think in this category the players have voted for 119 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: Roger Fetter or Rafinadal for what the better part of 120 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: twenty years. 121 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 122 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, they've had a lock on that category. And now 123 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: Casper Rude, who was obviously had a great year coming 124 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: into the finals of the French Open in the US Open, 125 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: is joining their ranks. And let's talk a little bit 126 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: about one of your favorite players, Andy Murray the Arthur 127 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: ash Humanitarian Award. I did not know, because we have 128 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: not done a good job of telling this story in 129 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: the tennis world, that he gave his prize money full 130 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: Stop twenty twenty two prize money more than six hundred 131 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: and thirty thousand dollars starting in March with Indian Wells 132 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: two people affected by the invasion of Ukraine. What a cool, 133 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: low key, flex thing to do. 134 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, obviously the guy has a lot 135 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: of money, and he clearly has made a lot of 136 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: money from the sport of tennis. But it's still well 137 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: over half a million dollars to give away. He's pretty phenomenal. 138 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 2: That is his money he earned. Look, he's just one 139 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: of the great guys. And I said, I actually talked 140 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: about this on my show. He gets a bad rap. 141 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: Look he's not. He's a little tough to watch. Sometimes 142 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: he carry on. He carries on at times on the 143 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: court like a pork chop. We know that give him 144 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: a crap about it, you know, he's a bit whiny, complains, 145 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 2: he carries on like, as I said, a pork chop. 146 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: But off of the tennis court, there's no better guy. 147 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: There's no nicer guy. There's no funnier guy. And I 148 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: mean I can say that because I was the same way. 149 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 2: I was a bit of a pork chop on the 150 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: court as well, But I would say that I'm pretty 151 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: good person off the court. I like to, you know, 152 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: help out whenever I can. I'd give back to charities. 153 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: If I had his money, I'd be handing out dough 154 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: all the time as well, you know. So he's just 155 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: one of those guys that were just so happy to 156 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 2: have him in tennis, because I mean, the guy had 157 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: Emily Moresmo as his coach, you know, one of the 158 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 2: first really big stars of the game that employed a 159 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: woman as a coach and gave her that opportunity to 160 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 2: be in this player box. I just just I just 161 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: don't There's not many that I like more than Andy 162 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: Murray as a human being. So for him to get 163 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: this award is no surprise to. 164 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: Me, no surprise, and I think, again, what a cool 165 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: flex to be able to realize that as an athlete, 166 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: as important as you are to your ecosystem and to 167 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: the fans around the globe, there are things that are 168 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: more important than sport, and that is you know, human 169 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: rights and safety and all that stuff. So that was 170 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: really cool. The rest of the ATPs are pretty straightforward 171 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: fan favorite singles, RAFA fan favorite doubles, Tanasi and Nick 172 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to take a second 173 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: here and shout out your Fellowassis Coach of the Year 174 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: one Carlos Ferrero who's been working with Carlos Acres, and 175 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: then we have some props for different tournaments, X, Y 176 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: and Z. Moving joice to the women. 177 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: The men's was all pretty straight up, straightforward. Even Comeback 178 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: Player of the Year. You know, I was incredible with 179 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: Chorich and the you know what a great year he 180 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 2: had by winning Cincinnati and improving his king the amount 181 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 2: of time he did, and he was completely off the 182 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: tour all of last year, so he literally came back 183 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 2: of March of this year and was able to win 184 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 2: an ATP one thousand, so that was an incredible thing. 185 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: Most Improved Player was given to our Crez no surprise, 186 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: getting to another one in the world so quickly, you know, 187 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 2: and Renee was given Newcomer of the Year. He could 188 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: have almost gotten both of those. One of those guys 189 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: could have gotten both of those awards. But the women, 190 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: on the other hand, I'm not quite sure who's voting 191 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 2: on these because I get my email as a former 192 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: player and as a coach on tour, and you know, 193 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: it goes to players and it goes to coaches. So 194 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure about some of the awards that 195 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: were given out. 196 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: You thought they were controversial. Okay, let me read them 197 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: first and then we'll start and discuss. And let's not. 198 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: Read them all of this. Let's read them one and 199 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: then discuss. 200 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: How about Well, I don't want to wed for you 201 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: to wein in on every single one because Renee Stubbs 202 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: has never knowingly withheld an opinion. So why don't you 203 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: just start me when it feels like you have something 204 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: actually important to say? That Player of the Year sante 205 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: not doubles. Team of the Year, Barbara, did you give 206 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: a Katerina Sinacoa the checks? 207 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: Good? 208 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: Okay, so far, so good? So I watched like everything right, 209 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: most improved player of your Beatrice Hadad Maya Brazilian. Fine 210 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: with that? 211 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what what about Jess Pula? 212 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: Great point, Yeah, Jess, she had a much better year 213 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: than Beatrice had A Maya. 214 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: I mean, Beatrice had Do Maya had an incredible year. 215 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: She did, but Jess Pegoula's ceiling was top like three 216 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: in the world. Yes, she made wt A Tour finals. 217 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: She's skinned. They want to agree with you? 218 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: Want to she won a wt A one thousand event, 219 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 2: you know, leading into the championships, and made not only 220 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: did she make the singles, but also made the doubles. 221 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 2: Right with Coco Go, I mean, come on, number three blood, 222 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: Well what else she gotta do? 223 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: What else does she have to do? Maybe the Bills 224 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: have to win a Super Bowl? 225 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 2: Maybe she was no night of a Player of the 226 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: Year I believe, and didn't get that because she was 227 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 2: my sing price fly. I'm not the best player. I 228 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: mean the best player was Eiontek. 229 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, nobody could argue with Ega. But yeah, okay, 230 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: well we see you, Jess Bogula. Justice will be done. 231 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: Newcomer of the Year Chin Win Jung are issue number 232 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: twenty one cover star that drops today, the young Chinese 233 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: player who I think two hundred places in the rankings. 234 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: Not controversial. Everybody would have made that right, broadly fine 235 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 2: with that, Yes, total explosive game. 236 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: Cool as hell. The pictures of the portfolio that Sue 237 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: Quan legendary nightlife hip hop photographer Suquon shot of her 238 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: for the issue are tight. Check it out rack atmag 239 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: dot com. Okay, back to the list. Comeback Player of 240 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: the Year, Touchiana Maria that feels right. That's cool now, 241 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: smarking crack? Maybe? Why? Why? What's wrong with that? She 242 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: used a mother, she got on a couple of deep 243 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: runs under bag, she won a couple of big tournaments. 244 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: You gonna let me play my my pod in this 245 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: go ahead. Daria Avelova was ranked almost five hundred in 246 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: the world to start the year because she had an 247 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: entire year of twenty twenty one off due to another 248 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: surgery on her foot. Okay, and did not play it 249 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 2: all last year, because this award is for twenty twenty two, 250 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: not twenty one and plus twenty two. And as much 251 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: as I love Tatiana Maria and she could not be 252 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 2: a nicer human being, and her run at Wimbledon was 253 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: unbelievable and all of the stuff. Okay, I granted she 254 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 2: had an incredible year, But she played for six months 255 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: last year. Caitlin, she played from July until January of 256 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 2: this year. She played a full six months. Now if 257 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: she had come back in let's say October, November, December, 258 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: maybe playing a couple of small challenger events or whatever 259 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: after having her second child, I'm okay with that. But 260 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: she played a half a year last year. Now is 261 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: that just a little unlucky maybe, but also she had 262 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,959 Speaker 2: six months of playing under her belt. Varrio Gavrilova started 263 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: playing her first match back in a year, was playing 264 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: one match at fed Cup, which was at the very 265 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: end of last year, or it might have been at 266 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: the start of this year, and then started playing on 267 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 2: the Pro Tour against this January and got to top 268 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: fifty in the world. 269 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Maybe, Okay, that counterpoint. The counterpoints she didn't play a 270 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: whole season because she got injured during a Velma. 271 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: Wait a second, you can't stay because she didn't play November. 272 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: I think that you can. I think you can see 273 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: that she didn't play the whole year. I mean again, 274 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: I'm not I don't disagree with the stats, but I 275 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: feel like maybe she wasn't on everyone's consciousness because she 276 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: didn't play the whole year. 277 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: Dude, she got injured in Asia well after the US Open, Like, 278 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: what more of the fricking year does she have to 279 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: pl she played every Grand Slam she played. I'm going 280 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 2: to try and find how many tournaments she played At 281 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: this point in time. It was something like, let's see, 282 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 2: here we go, Darriott seve she played nineteen tournaments Caitlin. 283 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: All right, that's pretty good. 284 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: Nineteen O. 285 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: Listen, I'm a Duria Gablova Seville fan, So this is 286 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: not meant to be like I'm just saying thinking, maybe 287 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: that's why people overlooked her, like she hasn't been top 288 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: of mind. Maybe because she's been off, because she's been injured. 289 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know, no, No, that's look. 290 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: She played basically ten months this year. 291 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: That's four years. Some people stop after the USA. 292 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, let's keep a moving. Karen Kransky's Person of 293 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: the Sugar Award ostiber Okine, I've done, easy decision. P. G. 294 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Colmeyer Player Service Award Gabby Dabowski from Canada. Fine with that, 295 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: as Maria Zakari Coach of the Year David wit No. 296 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: Now listen. I love David and the job that he's 297 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: done with Jessica Pola, particularly this year has been it's 298 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: normal circumstances, appl lutely what he's done in the improvement 299 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: on her, and he knows how I feel about him. 300 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 2: Jessica knows how I feel about her and what she's done. 301 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: But come on, man, you cannot not give that award 302 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: to Thomas Witzgarowski. He took a player that was top 303 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: ten has made her one of the best players over 304 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: the last twenty years. She had a thirty seven match 305 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: win streak okay when she was announced that she would 306 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: take over the number one ranking with in and of 307 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: itself is the nerves and the pressure to deal with that. 308 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: I see what he has to deal with with her. Listen, 309 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: Eager looks like a robot on the court, but she 310 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: is very emotional off the court. The stuff that he 311 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 2: had to deal with her game keeping her in a 312 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: positive frame of mind. She won two Grand Slams this year, 313 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: and that thirty seven match win streak and the umptyen 314 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: other tournaments that she won. You cannot not give Coach 315 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: of the Year to the guy who had the most 316 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 2: dominant player all year. I just, I just I'm sorry. 317 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: Maybe, isn't it, because like and I think this maybe 318 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: speaks to the coaching not being the most visible part 319 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: of the game, which is like, if everyone expected you 320 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: get to win, then is it as dramatic as somebody 321 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: who was like Jess Pegoula maybe not on everyone's mind 322 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: and then made tremendous, tremendous you know, season half and 323 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: with the w TA Finals, appearances in both doubles and 324 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: sickles just counterpoint, I don't I don't really have a 325 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: dig in this, waight. I'm just sort of saying, is that. 326 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: Maybe whynd percent? It's one of the reasons. And I 327 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: have talked about this. I talked about it on my 328 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: show actually, where I said I can see how people 329 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: saying getting Jess Pagoula to three in the world from 330 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 2: where she started the year, it's a tremendous coaching job, 331 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: and David has you know, he really does need to 332 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 2: be given a lot of kudos for getting her to 333 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: that place. But that's all well and good. I'm not 334 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 2: as upset about this one as I am about Gavrilova. 335 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: But I do really believe that Thomas he didn't get 336 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: it last year and this year he should have got it. 337 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 2: That is one of the best years we've ever seen 338 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: on the women's tour in a long, long time. The 339 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 2: dominance that we saw from Egust found tech this year, 340 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: and that you have to credit him with a lot 341 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 2: of that, keeping her shit together, getting to her to 342 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 2: prove her game on hard court, getting her to the 343 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: place of actually winning the US Open. Because believe me 344 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: Caitlin at the beginning of the US Open. She was 345 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 2: not playing well, she was not feeling good, she was 346 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: complaining about the balls. And let me tell you something, 347 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 2: as a coach, that's on you to get your player 348 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 2: to get their shit together, you know. So I'm going 349 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 2: to give him a lot of credit there. And so, David, 350 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 2: love you, but that award should have gone to Thomas 351 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 2: wid Growski. And it's not David's. He does a bloody vote. 352 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: He probably didn't even look at the email, probably didn't 353 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: even vote for himself. Knowing David, he's such a nice guy. 354 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: But sorry, that award needed to go to Thomas Widgroowski. 355 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: Should we have a Most Important Guest Coach Award and 356 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: give it to Rene Stubbs? Well, I mean I think so, 357 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: rightat I mean, at least that's not controversial. At least 358 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: that's not cover. Now let's move into something that is 359 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: more controversial, which is Renee Stubbs on Twitter. Oh god, 360 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: when isn't Twitter controversial? I mean, what complete and utter 361 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: garbage fire. 362 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 2: It's especially now it's getting worse. 363 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: It's getting worse, I know. So there have been a 364 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: number of high profile off season news items about the 365 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: world of tennis. The first one that I think almost 366 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: everyone's pretty excited about is the trailer for the Netflix 367 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: documentary has now dropped. We have a sense of who 368 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: the first couple sort of the focus of the first 369 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: couple episodes that are coming in January. This is from 370 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: the producers of Drive to Survive, which really changed the 371 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: fortunes of F one in in terms of fanship and 372 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: like mainstream success. Now the same production company, Box to Box, 373 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: has taken a year in the professional tennis world and 374 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: has come out with the series called Breakpoint. I know 375 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: from the point of view of a lot of the 376 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 1: Slam countries and a lot of the governing bodies, they're 377 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: kind of looking to this documentary series to do a 378 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 1: lot of the pr and sort of like tennis promotion 379 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: that they themselves should probably be doing and are really 380 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: bad at, if I can be honest. So I don't 381 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: know that putting all their eggs in a basket of 382 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: somebody else's destiny is a good idea, but you know what, 383 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: for me, it's more like more is more when it 384 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: comes to tennis and storytelling. Any initial reactions based on 385 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: seeing the trailer, Andrea pekovicher a very good friend had 386 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: a lot to say about how we're ready she is 387 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: to stop seeing tennis themed things called freak point match, 388 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: point gem set match, you know, ready play advantage. But 389 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: you know that aside, it looks pretty good. I don't. 390 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we haven't seen it, but looks it doesn't 391 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: seem bad. 392 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: I'm so I'm excited about it because you know, I've 393 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: you and I have talked about this for years, but 394 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: I have really felt like this for a number of years. 395 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: Is that, you know, one of the things that I 396 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: love about the Olympics, for example, is you know NBC's 397 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 2: coverage of it when they do the personal stories and 398 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: they get to know an athlete that's in blue or 399 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: you know, is a biathlete or is a kayaker or something, 400 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: you know, some random sport that you would never know 401 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: a person right, and they do these great profiles on them, 402 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: and you go, oh, man, that's an amazing story. That 403 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 2: person's so cool. Oh I'm going to check it out. 404 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to actually turn on my TV and watch 405 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: the you know, the the bo and Arrow contest or 406 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: something at the Olympics, you know what I mean. So 407 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 2: you because you feel like you get to know the 408 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: person and you start rooting for them right, you start 409 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: pulling for them, you start hoping for them right, and 410 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 2: you get to know them as people. So I just 411 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: think that's the way you bring fans and people into 412 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: a sport or into a movie. You know, people love 413 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 2: watching real life stories brought to the big screen, right 414 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 2: the Whitney Houston doc. You know the movie then whatever, 415 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I want to go and see that because 416 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: they want to get a behind the scenes look at 417 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 2: what really happened, you know what I mean. And so 418 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: I think with tennis we've lacked that for so long. 419 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: I think we've been great at covering the sport, watching 420 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 2: the x's and o's, ESPN, Tennis Channel, whatever, you know, 421 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: getting our cameras out there and watching your sport. But 422 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: we've done a horrific job. And I blame this on 423 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 2: the ATP and WTA and the IF and the Grand 424 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: Slams and that all of the others. Is that we've 425 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: never gotten to know all the players better. And so 426 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: you know, fans of the game, no Roger and Rapha 427 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: and Serena because we've seen them on TV time, but 428 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: we don't know everybody else. And the stories that you 429 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: could tell of those people and get more people to 430 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 2: support the sport of tennis and watch it. So for me, 431 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: this is great because you're going to get to know 432 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: a little bit more of the insights and backstories of 433 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 2: some players that you might not know as much about. 434 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: So I mean, look, honestly, I think they could have 435 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: picked some other random tennis players, not ones that you 436 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 2: necessarily know, like someone ranked like sixty in the world, 437 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 2: to see the trials and tribulations of someone like that, 438 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: as opposed to just FAA and Taylor and Ajuburn players 439 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: that kind of we've seen on our TV and know 440 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 2: a little bit more about. So I would suggest for 441 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 2: like season two because so hopefully it's successful enough that 442 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: they just like drive to Survive they want to do 443 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: two and three and four is they go and find 444 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: a kid that's ranked one hundred and fifty in the 445 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 2: world and show their life as well and how they, 446 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: you know, climb up the tennis ladder to get into 447 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: a Grand Slam and then blah blah blah after that 448 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: and what it means to them, you know. So I'm 449 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 2: looking forward to seeing it. I don't want to. I 450 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: don't know anything about what we're going to see. I 451 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,399 Speaker 2: clearly know some of the storylines because I saw the 452 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: cameras around. I mean, I still came cameras around all 453 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 2: the time. I went into a shot a couple of 454 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: times and like, oh, we need you to sign this, 455 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 2: you know, release form. We're from Netflix. I'm like, oh, okay, whatever, 456 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: So you know they're everywhere. So I'm really pumped to 457 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: see and I hope that gives exposure to tennis in 458 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 2: a way that drives a supply ass because look, you 459 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 2: and I are Formula one fans, and I didn't even 460 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 2: I couldn't tell you two drivers. 461 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: In the F one series, same Sam, and I think 462 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: the power of storytelling is really paramount and amazing. And 463 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: I think when they probably set out to start the 464 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: season and filmed on Stubber for example, that probably wasn't 465 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: a gimme that she was going to end up into 466 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: Grandsome Finals. So I think they did kind of get lucky. 467 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: I'm just relieved, honestly, to like not see Roger vetderck 468 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: Er again. Like I know that you know he's going 469 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: to make appearances and respectfully and all that stuff, but 470 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: it's just like I get bored, really easily. So like 471 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: the fact that I would much rather sit down with 472 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: an episode centered on you know, Bertini or I don't 473 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: actually know very much about fa because he's kind of, 474 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, sort of internal, Like there's there's I think 475 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: a lot there. Let's talk about. 476 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: What's You got to admit the story that Roger told. 477 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: It was so stupid. Don't even with that he couldn't 478 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: get into the All England Club like it was it 479 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: was not even funny. It was like, oh, they didn't 480 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: recognize them, and then they did and they were like, oh, 481 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: it's Roger Petter. You're really famous, don't. I'm just so 482 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: over Roger Petter, like I can't. I can't. 483 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 2: So you could turn around and look at your Netflix 484 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: little TV right now, because what you people can't see 485 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: that I can see is we're on a zoom call. 486 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 2: Is that Caitlin has this new fancy thing on It's 487 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 2: called Netflix's Fireplace, and you can go to Netflix and 488 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 2: you can put a fireplace on your TV to pretend 489 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 2: that you have a fireplace. 490 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: Well, you know why it's. 491 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 2: Aggressive towards Roger. 492 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just sorrided of him, dumb boat shoes 493 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: till this appear I'm done with him. I uh, I'm 494 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: watching this fireplace because I can't watch tennis because normally 495 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: during the day time at home, when I'm working between 496 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: calls whatever, I like. It calms my blood pressure to 497 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: hear the sound of squeaking shoes and tennis balls being hit. 498 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: I love it. 499 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: And there's no tennis on right now, with the exception 500 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: of like some exos and things like that. But you 501 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 1: know what the Tennis channel is showing, which we talked 502 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: about before, and I've given the Tennis Channel, as have you, 503 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: so much shit for being Vicky France and siding with 504 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: the enemy here that I can't repeat myself. But it 505 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: might be time to have chapter two of Renee and 506 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: Caitlin discuss the world's biggest dumb pretend thing worse than Crypto, 507 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:43,239 Speaker 1: worse than NFTs is a pretend sport that somehow you 508 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: have found yourself in a Twitter dust up like this morning, Melee, 509 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: I like that word. What's happening, Renee? 510 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: Well, I just put out last night because I started 511 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 2: seeing more tennis players investing their money or somebody else's 512 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: money in pickleball and buying pickleball, and that they had 513 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 2: the pickleball draft last night? Did I it was it 514 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 2: on Tennis channel? 515 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: I am once I. 516 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: Heard it was on Tennis channel, but I'm not sure 517 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: if it was or not. But and I just put 518 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 2: out on Twitter because you know, me in the late 519 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 2: hours on a little board, sitting at home by myself, 520 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: and I said, just to let everyone know, I will 521 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 2: not in orcats, be investing in a pickleball franchise, and 522 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: will never turn a TV on to watch pickleball. I 523 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 2: would rather watch paint to dry. Actually spelt pain dry 524 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: because I actually didn't put the tea on it pain dry. 525 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 2: Why all these tennis players think pickaball is worth investing 526 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: in and not the game that made them all the 527 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: dough is beyond me. Great point, okay, because I'm like, 528 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: why can't you put your money or you suppose the money. 529 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: I'm fairly certain a lot of these tennis players are 530 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 2: not putting their own money in. They're like literally getting 531 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: paid to promote this shit. And if they are putting 532 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: their own money in, it's even worse because that money, 533 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: I think could be invested in kids programs. Go into 534 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 2: your wherever you're from, go and donate some money, some cash. 535 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: New buildness, startups, new brands. Tennis court, Yeah, build a 536 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: tennis court exactly, build a tennis center named in your 537 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: in your honor. 538 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: You know, it's what is the cost of build a 539 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 2: tennis court ten grand? 540 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: Fifteen to twenty depending. 541 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 2: On fifteen twenty, that's probably what these people are paying 542 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: to be part of the NFT of sports. 543 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: If that, if that, it's not even their own money. 544 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: I've talked to some of these players financial advisors because 545 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: they are very keen to invest quote unquote in other things. 546 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden you ask them, okay, 547 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: well what does that mean, and they say, oh, well, 548 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: you'll be giving part of your company to them for 549 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: free in addition for their endorsement. So not only are 550 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: these players in a lot of cases getting a fee 551 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: for an endorsement to endorse some of these things, which 552 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: is just the most off brand embarrassing thing I can 553 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: possibly imagine, worse than putting your name next to crypto 554 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: or NFTs, although those are not very palatable either, But 555 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases they're getting paid in equity, 556 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: and so listen as a business model to not invest 557 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 1: a dime of your own money instead of getting paid 558 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: as an endorser and the company does really well, but 559 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: you don't see the upside. Why not take a piece 560 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: of the company along with it. Sure, I'll get it. 561 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: But it's also why Namiosaka is currently getting sued for 562 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: promoting FTX, as well as all of those other athletes 563 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: who put their names next to a giant crypto currency 564 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: exchange that then went tits up and took has taken 565 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: most of the crypto world with it. So we'll see 566 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: how well those investments quote unquote play out in the 567 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: next year. But yeah, you have the best point of all, 568 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: which is what amazing things, especially because we know pickleball 569 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: from a recreational standpoint is an eMac played by some 570 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: white boomers and retirement communities. But here in the city, 571 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: lines for tennis courts, over subscription for tennis clubs waiting 572 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: lists the actual desire to play it. We know pickleball's 573 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: total participation is somewhere around four to five million. That's 574 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: less than the total people who started playing tennis during 575 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: the pandemic alone. Tennis is a real sport and you 576 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: can play it for your whole life in a way 577 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: that's actually it requires some athleticism and actually gets your 578 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: pulse racing. So for me, it's if they hadn't taken 579 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: all this crypto money to promote this pretend thing and 580 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: then therefore needed to come after tennis audiences. 581 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 2: I wouldn't care. 582 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: But the fact that it has identified tennis as sort 583 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: of its enemy and done it with a sport that's 584 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: sort of like colonialist and its vibes like no thanks, 585 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here. And if I were 586 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: a tennis player looking to invest in things, invest in 587 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: my community, support something like King's County Tennis League, which 588 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: puts rackets and tennis courts in public housing to build 589 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: the next generations of stars or even participants or college 590 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: scholarship recipients. Like you said, that's a great investment. That's 591 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: something that I would actually be proud of instead of 592 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: putting my name next to the most tragic dumb. It's 593 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: like you see Donald Trump's NFT collection last night coming 594 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 1: out where he's like dressed up like a you know, 595 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: country western, like sharp shoe, whole bag, and it's like, 596 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: I would buy that before I bought whoa pickleball? 597 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: Whoa? That's a staining of Setitlan Thompson, Look, I put 598 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 2: that tweet out and then, of course today because one 599 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: of the people investing in a piperball franchise apparently is 600 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: Nick Kurios. So he took umbrage with my comment and wrote, lol, 601 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: I think in all caps, by the way, lol small caps. 602 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: I think large caps. Lebron James and Kevin Durant back 603 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: both in big caps, and then small caps have a 604 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: bit more of an idea f what to invest in. 605 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: I think he meant of what to invest in funny 606 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 2: smiley face, and I was like my reaction to that, 607 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: I said, well, I said, not sure. I mentioned Lebron 608 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: and KD in my tweet, NK meaning I'm not talking 609 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 2: about basketball players investing in fucking pickleball. I'm talking about 610 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: tennis players investing in pickleball, okay. And then I said, 611 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: also let me know how that ROI and for those 612 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: that don't know what that means, return on investment is 613 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: in a year and prove me wrong, mate, or are 614 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: they paying you in all caps? Question mark exclamation point. 615 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: And then I said, just because I forgot to add 616 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 2: this part about his investment, you know people that he 617 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: thinks are brilliant. I also said, also let's ask Tom 618 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: Brady and Naomi, etc. About FTX but okay with my 619 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 2: okay sign. Okay, so it's like, wait a second, you think, 620 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: because Lebron and KD invested, then holy shit, we should 621 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 2: all be jumping on board. No, dude, they've got play money. Okay, 622 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 2: those guys have play money or somebody with a shipload 623 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: of money, way more than Lebron and KD is giving 624 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: them money to invest in a pickleball association. 625 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: Listen, now, I have nothing to add to that except 626 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: the call is coming from inside the house. Maybe after 627 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: all these dumb athletes get sued for representing stuff that's 628 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: pretend like crypto and NFTs and start losing their lawsuits 629 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: and they'll be a little more thoughtful about investing in things. 630 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: But you know, now, listen, I'm gonna believe it or not. 631 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna flip flip it over to the other 632 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 2: side because Kim Kleister is also invested. 633 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: Okay, we love Kim Ceiser's this is and I've been 634 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: killing me. 635 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 2: Everybody knows how much I love Kim, and Kim and 636 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: I are very good friends. And she texted me and 637 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 2: she goes, what's the problem with pickle poll? She just 638 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 2: wanted to know what my grite was, you know, and 639 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 2: I just said, look, she said, her take is if 640 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: we can get kids out on a tennis court and 641 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: just be active, then we're doing a good service. And 642 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 2: I said, and that's all well and good, and I 643 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 2: understand that. And just people in general, if they want 644 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 2: to get if they sit on their couch all day 645 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 2: and don't do anything and then they play or they 646 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 2: play pickleball, I'm all for it. That's fine, Like, that's 647 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: no problem. But I said to Kim, but why not 648 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: promote I mean, Kim listen, Kim had a tennis academy, 649 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 2: so she has put her money where she's where her 650 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 2: mouth is, and a lot of that money for her 651 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: academy was from her. She did a lot of work, 652 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: and she picked up a lot of shitty slack and 653 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: had to do a lot of work to make that 654 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: academy work. And I think it's since almost closed down 655 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: because of the fact that it's really hard to provide 656 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 2: the money. So my question to people in the tennis 657 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: world is invest in stuff like that, you know, don't 658 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 2: invest in pickleball. Invest in the Kim Cleister's academies of 659 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: the world, right instead of letting Kim Cleisters write a 660 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 2: check every single week for her own academy. And but 661 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 2: you know, the issue is that I said to Kim Wish, 662 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 2: you know people like you. She's a bad example because 663 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,239 Speaker 2: she's invested in her in her own sport. But you know, 664 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: and she's right, we want people to be active. But 665 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: I said, you can get them on a tennis court, mate, 666 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: you can get them a shitty. 667 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: F play phone ball, get a phone ball, get a 668 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: short court going, get a. 669 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 2: Short clut going. It's the same thing. 670 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: But you're not and you're actually learning how to play tennis, 671 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: and you're actually getting your heart rate up because I 672 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: think if the answer is you doing nothing, are you 673 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: taking several steps around a pickleball court? I guess that's something. 674 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 1: But the study that there's no actual increase in your 675 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: cardiovascular exertion was pretty damning. Listen. I'm not here to 676 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 1: hate on anybody. It's just when you make your sport, 677 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: pretend and tell people that your investment is going to 678 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: pay off because it's going to knock tennis out of 679 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: the way. No, not on my watch. Tennis has so 680 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: much more growth to realize so that we can actually 681 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: make this sport of a lifetime be the popular, incredible, welcoming, 682 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: diverse place that it deserves to be, the one that 683 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: I think you and I see very clearly. And so 684 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: to me, if pickleball wasn't positioning itself as a threat 685 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: to that, I wouldn't care. I'd be like, yeah, sure, 686 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: go do your tic tac too somewhere, but just don't 687 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: bother me, right problem, Yeah, go do darts. Do you 688 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: want to be on a loose league, great, you want 689 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: to go bowling, knock yourself out, just don't do it 690 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: on my tennis court. And for me, that's this issue. 691 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: And so that's why I would love for all these athletes, 692 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 1: as you said, to figure out how to support their 693 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: own sport, especially one that's as awesome as tennis. 694 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually one of the things that I 695 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: also said was it's unwatchable on television. And you I'm sorry, 696 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 2: no sport, no sport is going to survive and do 697 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 2: well if it's not on television. And it is unwatchable 698 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 2: on TV. 699 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: Tough. Okay, it's really tough, but you know it is 700 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: on television. Uh is It's going to be tennis in 701 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: the new year, So listen, Renee. We have to wrap 702 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: this up because I have to post this so that 703 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: we can get an episode out before the next year. 704 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: We have incredible sponsors for the next year, we have 705 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: incredible guests for the next year. We have an incredible 706 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,439 Speaker 1: studio for the next year. 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And if you're somebody who's been 715 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,560 Speaker 1: following along our journeys Renees Instagram, tweets, our world, etc. 716 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: And want to get invited to a future Racket House event, 717 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: join our newsletter on our website racketmag dot com for 718 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: the chance to be invited to one of them, because 719 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 1: we'd love to have you. 720 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, though, it was super fun, and yes I did 721 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: fly out on a Friday afternoon after work. Yes, I 722 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 2: have a job Monday to Friday, and I flew in 723 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 2: at midnight. We went to the party on Saturday, and 724 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 2: I flew back to New York on Sunday, so thirty 725 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 2: six hours in LA. But it was bloody worth it. 726 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 2: The house was amazing. Thank you, Luke. Thank you to 727 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 2: Liz Cully, our unofficial official tennis influencer. All the works 728 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 2: she did New Kitlin awesome. And yeah, if you want 729 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 2: to be part of the cool kids, then you've got 730 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,800 Speaker 2: to be get the Racket newsletter and you'll know exactly 731 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 2: where our next savantage. So many people were like, why 732 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 2: I want to be invited to that kind of a party. 733 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 2: I was like, well, you know, you got to be 734 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 2: got to be with the cool kids and not pickaball exactly. 735 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: We'll leave you with that until twenty twenty three. Renee 736 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: Power Hour is on Amazon Sports Network five to six pm. 737 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 2: Every year. We're really not doing are we really? Just 738 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 2: you and me? We're not going to do another one 739 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 2: till twenty twenty three. 740 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: Do you want to promise anything? Maybe we'll do a 741 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: bonus just in case. But I I'm going to be out, 742 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: you're going to be I. 743 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: Have to cook dinner. You know, it's people's tree trimming, 744 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 2: people just people out there. You want us to do 745 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,399 Speaker 2: some more before the end of the year, just let 746 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 2: me know. 747 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: I'll like you all right. 748 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 2: Moving back to Manhattan soon, So finally I'm not going 749 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 2: to be doing this shit on Zoom anymore. Okay, everybody, 750 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: thank you for joining us today. Catch me on the 751 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 2: Power Hour every day five or six. I talk about 752 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 2: a lot of this sort of stuff, including my hate 753 00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 2: of pickleball on the show. So thanks for joining us 754 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 2: again everyone, and we'll see you light up. 755 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: Bye.