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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome episode number thirty of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bet O'Brien. Today I am joined by one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite people on the planet Earth and probably one

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Speaker 1: of the best better guests will ever have. And that

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Speaker 1: man's name is Charles the rabbit Man Roden and I

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Speaker 1: first met Charles about two years ago on a rabbit

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Speaker 1: hunt on Maryland's Eastern Shore, and since then I have

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Speaker 1: been infatuated with his passion for rabbit hunting, just his personality,

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Speaker 1: the man that he is is life and times and

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Speaker 1: why he loves rabbit hunting so much. And hopefully this

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Speaker 1: podcast will shed some light on all those questions. Um,

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Speaker 1: and it's enjoyed. Charles is a family man, a man

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Speaker 1: of God, and a man who is the He is

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Speaker 1: the preacher or the pastor at the Church of Rabbit Hunting. Uh.

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Speaker 1: He could talk about it all day and all night.

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Speaker 1: He loves it that much. So without further ado, please

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Speaker 1: enjoy this conversation I sure did with Charles Rodney. He's

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Speaker 1: the man. Alright, we're recording, Charles. How are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing fine. Well. Thanks for having me to your home. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're quite welcome. My pleasure. UM. I want to start

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Speaker 1: by saying, you know, how long when did we rabbit hunt?

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Speaker 1: It was a year. It was about two years ago,

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Speaker 1: two seasons, two seasons ago, um on Eastern Shore, Maryland.

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Speaker 1: And I wish we could have done it last year.

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Speaker 1: We were just talking about having chilled, that being busy,

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Speaker 1: and how that that does it. But when we hunted

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Speaker 1: together on the Eastern Shore, it struck me that that

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Speaker 1: was a hunt I would do every year, and I

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Speaker 1: think you should. It was an awesome hunt. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was a great hunt. And it also struck me that

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Speaker 1: the one the first thing we should talk about is

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Speaker 1: how delicious rabbit meat cotton tails are. Rabbit meat is

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Speaker 1: one of the best meat and it's it's it's all

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Speaker 1: natural and there's hardly any fat. They eat only natural things,

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Speaker 1: grass and leaves and twigs out in the woods, and

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Speaker 1: they're running and they literally eat soybean and stuff that

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Speaker 1: they can get to. Uh, but they're running, so they're healthy.

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Speaker 1: There there are no fat on them, and uh, it's

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Speaker 1: one of the healthiest foods you can find. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people don't know that, and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: see them running around their backyard. They don't even think

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Speaker 1: about what's right. So after that, we hunted in February.

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Speaker 1: After that hunt we did, my dad was a long.

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Speaker 1: We went Super Bowl Sunday. We cooked up a bunch

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Speaker 1: of rabbit legs. We soaked him in milk, a little bit,

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Speaker 1: fried them up, put a little old bay on him,

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Speaker 1: served him at a Super Bowl party. Great, everybody that

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Speaker 1: was there eating him like these chicken. These chicken legs

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Speaker 1: are great. These the best chicken legs in her hat.

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Speaker 1: So that's a rabbit. Most city people don't know. They

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Speaker 1: were what where'd you get this chicken? Well? I got

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Speaker 1: it on the Eastern Shore. And it's a damn rabbit

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Speaker 1: that always struck with me. Is not only is rabbit

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Speaker 1: hunting fun were talking about it earlier here. Not only

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Speaker 1: is it fun, is it easy to do? But you

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Speaker 1: end up with, you know, a bunch of rabbits to

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Speaker 1: to do. And rabbits um. Not only are they good

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Speaker 1: and good for you, but they're one of the easiest

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Speaker 1: game to clean. Yeah, you can clean. I can clean

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Speaker 1: a bunch of rabbits by the time I cleaned two squirrels,

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Speaker 1: and and it you just cut a little slit and

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Speaker 1: you pull them opposite in and all of her come off.

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Speaker 1: You slip behind the tail, I slit. I usually slit

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Speaker 1: over the back, around the stomach and put my finger

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Speaker 1: Now a lot of other guys do it a little

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Speaker 1: bit different. And then I just take a knife and

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Speaker 1: they're a little bloody, I soaked them. I got a

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Speaker 1: eight to ten hours overnight usually, and all that blood

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Speaker 1: comes out, and then you clean it off, wrap it in,

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Speaker 1: freeze the paper. A lot of guys you shrink, wrap

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Speaker 1: ready and so forth. Did your wife cook up a

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Speaker 1: lot of rabbits? My wife actually is a city girl.

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Speaker 1: I'm a country boy from Louisiana and we've been married

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Speaker 1: tomorrow September to twenties, that will be forty six years.

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Speaker 1: Can't get her to even go out and look at

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Speaker 1: gives me support, so I do all the rabbit cooking.

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Speaker 1: I do all the rabbit cleaning. I have a special

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Speaker 1: the people I take rabbit hunting give me other games elk, moose, dear,

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Speaker 1: But there are loads of people that I supply rabbit

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Speaker 1: every year. I have names to give rabbits. In my

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Speaker 1: forty forty five. So some guys come just to shoot

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Speaker 1: the hunt, shoot the breeze. Some guys take one or two.

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Speaker 1: Some guys said, well, I don't want many, So whatever

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Speaker 1: they don't take, I take because I have a market

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Speaker 1: for giving them away. I don't sell anything. I don't

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Speaker 1: expect anything in return. All I expect is to thank you,

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Speaker 1: smile on your face, and that's thank you enough. So

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Speaker 1: there are lots of older people who lived in the

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Speaker 1: South Carolina, they did it. Uh, the family hunted and

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Speaker 1: they can't get them anymore, and they say, hey at church,

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of people say you take rabbits

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Speaker 1: to church? I say sure, I said, all these older people,

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Speaker 1: I said, well, what mass are you going to tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: We're Catholic. And I bring them a rabbit. It's clean,

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Speaker 1: it's wrapped, it's label and um, they enjoy it and

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Speaker 1: and that's my treat to them. That's awesome. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: get people. You know, there's a lot of people like

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Speaker 1: you said, I can't go out and do that. That's right.

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Speaker 1: They don't have place to go or time to go,

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Speaker 1: with him, that's awesome. So you you're from Louisiana, you

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Speaker 1: but I want to just kind of go back to

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Speaker 1: What was the thing that got you excited about it? Well?

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Speaker 1: Growing up, we grew up we were share croppers in Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: my uncle next door farm and when we would go hunting, UM,

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Speaker 1: got I got older and teenager. There was a friend

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Speaker 1: we would get one or two. But we never had

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Speaker 1: being poor, we never had quality dogs. Okay, we had

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Speaker 1: so they would get something. And then I hunted, uh

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Speaker 1: throughout my teen years and after college in in Baton Rouge,

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Speaker 1: I moved here in seventy two, got married and started

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Speaker 1: hunting a little bit here with my wife too uncle,

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Speaker 1: Then when the kids started coming, I quit, And then

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Speaker 1: in high school, I started back. So I told my wife,

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Speaker 1: I liked this so much, I'm gonna start doing it.

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Speaker 1: So I had an old truck that my family was,

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Speaker 1: a little common dog box. I got some dogs, made

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Speaker 1: all of the mistakes, brought the wrong dog. What the

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Speaker 1: dogs by. First I bought a dog name um Rowdy,

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Speaker 1: and then I had one name Slim or something like that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know much about dogs, and and the guy

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Speaker 1: Now I know what I know Now that's a bad mixture.

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Speaker 1: they're started one to two years. So they gave me

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Speaker 1: I learned how to break dogs using it was try

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Speaker 1: tronics at the time, the training collars. Some people call

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Speaker 1: him the shock callers now Garmen, and I use those faithfully,

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Speaker 1: and I put them on live deer and break them.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't have to because the deers have invaded

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood where we live, so I can break them

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Speaker 1: right here in the yard. And he's got your dogs

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Speaker 1: chasing deer in the in the yard, he had the deers.

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Speaker 1: The deer's coming to yard to eat all the flowers

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Speaker 1: and things of that sort. So recently last year, I

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Speaker 1: All I need is a little towel on there. But

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Speaker 1: this is a multipurpose dog. You're trading your dogs on deer,

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Speaker 1: keeping them hell out of your time. Well, the deer,

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Speaker 1: now that the dogs are in the pin, the dogs,

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Speaker 1: and bark. The other five go about their business, and

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Speaker 1: the deer know that they can't get out, so they

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Speaker 1: go about their business. They just trot alone. But I

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Speaker 1: learned from these people, so all of this valuable knowledge.

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Speaker 1: Now I know how to select dogs, and have known

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Speaker 1: for many years. So in the last fifteen or twenty years,

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Speaker 1: twenty years, maybe I have not had one dog run off.

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Speaker 1: Deers will get up in front of them, will cross

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Speaker 1: the deer. They paid no mine because you know that

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Speaker 1: deer scent is much hotter than a rabbit sense. So

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Speaker 1: Can you tell me why? I said, I'll get you something.

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Speaker 1: So I went back on semester Christmas break the next year,

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00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: and I cut my hair and I didn't drink anything,

428
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: so my eyes, it was all intentional by me. And

429
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: she claimed she didn't have a boyfriend. Then dad broke up,

430
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: so she was looking, and so we got to talking

431
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: and visiting. Then we corresponding and visiting, and after college,

432
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: I came back in the next summer and we got

433
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: married in September. So so that's the short end of

434
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: the of the love story. And so what did I

435
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: move here? Because there were jobs here and in Baton Rouge,

436
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,439
Speaker 1: most of the jobs were kind of menial, working in

437
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: the chemical plants, and I never wanted to work in

438
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: the chemical plants. I knew many people who did that work.

439
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: I said, I can do better. So I came here

440
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: and I got a job in the federal government down

441
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: at the Naval Arden and Station in Indian Head. Mayor

442
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: M worked there a few years and then work some

443
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: other federal agencies. And she was working for the Navy Department.

444
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: And we progress along the promotion chain and did well.

445
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: We both ended up in human resources. So that's one

446
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: of my other qualities. I know people from a human

447
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: resource standford. We hired, promoted, classified, did pay changes. Um.

448
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: I worked six years in equal employment Opportunity where I

449
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: dealt with all the people's problems, the discrimination and all

450
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 1: of the things associated with that not being treated fairly

451
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: perception or otherwise. So I got to know people well

452
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: in handling problems, hiring, firing, all of that counseling. So

453
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: I got to know people quite well. People people in

454
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: a part of people. And it all stems back to

455
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: my upbringing. So UM, and then we just we progress on.

456
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: We both did about thirty plus years in the federal government.

457
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: We've been retired for a few years. I've been retired

458
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: for fifteen years and she twelve years. And we raised

459
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: out with three children in this house. Matter of fact,

460
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: the last one who's thirty seven, she was three days

461
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: old when we moved into this house and they're all gone.

462
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: So uh, we're comfortable and we give thanks to God

463
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: all the time for all of our blessing. We have

464
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: three beautiful kids. They each have two children, and they

465
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: all went to Catholic elementary, Catholic high school, and college.

466
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: And two of them have advanced degrees. So and they're

467
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: doing quite well with their families. So as they say,

468
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: the apple don't fall far from the tree, so they

469
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: have they have good quality and good skills to good

470
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: so well, I mean what strikes me in that whole

471
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: that is, you know, you grew up in segregated Louisiana,

472
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: six seasons of it, and then you move here and

473
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: you you you're working in human resources and discrimination. What

474
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: was that like kind of going from you know, where

475
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: you grew up. I mean, as you said, that's how

476
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: you grew up, how it was at the time, you

477
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: didn't think much of it, But then you get to

478
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: a different part of the world and you start to

479
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: deal with those problems in a more modern sense. Well,

480
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a survival thing. You know, the culture

481
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: dictated how you behave and how you acted where you associated.

482
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: I remember going not being able to go into many

483
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: places because the signs were and if the signs were

484
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: not there, there are certain places you knew not to

485
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: go into, and we were taught not to go into,

486
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: and certain people we couldn't associate with because of how

487
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: things were. But then here I come into a world

488
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: where I have to deal with some of those same

489
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: problems as a young adult in hiring people, hiring people

490
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: of entreating and fair of any color, any belief they have,

491
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: and treat them and or. And then later on when

492
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 1: I was the equal employment manager at this one agency,

493
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: uh ensuring that everybody got fair treatment, and going out

494
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: and defending people who I thought were wrong. And I

495
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: did that. It probably cost me a few things, because

496
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: I think I fought some battles that some people thought

497
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have fought, but I saw wrong and I

498
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: tried to deliver it and make it right and so forth.

499
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: And I had some hard cases where some people were

500
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: uh mislabel for no reason other than somebody down the

501
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: line with a little bit more power or ump um,

502
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: I thought they should be treated differently. In that treatment

503
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: I thought was unfair, and I spoke out about it.

504
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 1: And most of those people were not my color, and

505
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: I didn't. I treated everybody as fair as I can be,

506
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: regardless of who walked in that door. If they came

507
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: with the problem, I shut the door and I listened,

508
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: and I took notes, and we took We had certain

509
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: steps you have to go into into the the equal

510
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: employment channel. You have to do certain things in a

511
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: step by step, in a timely fashion. And I was

512
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be neutral, and I try to maintain that neutrality.

513
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: And when some of them I thought it was wrong,

514
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: I told them, you're you're not right with this. And

515
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: when the managers were wrong, all right, I told them too,

516
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: and I shared with him. So I didn't choose one

517
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: side or an other. But some way, ain't there unknownst

518
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: to me, I must have helped some of the wrong

519
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: people or took on some of the issues that the

520
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: management didn't care about. But they never came back and

521
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: told me so. But I did what my heart felt.

522
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: And I think today when I look at people, I

523
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: don't look at anybody's color. I don't look at anybody's religion,

524
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: whether they believe or don't believe. And we surely don't

525
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: talk about politics when we go in the field. In

526
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: a lot of times, when I take various groups hunting.

527
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: I always try and take one of my buddies because

528
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: sometimes we have some new guys that don't understand all

529
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: of the features of rabbit hunting. So while I'm working

530
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: the dog, my buddy will help keep them in line.

531
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: And the main thing with the guys is two of

532
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: them will get together and start talking. And the one

533
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: thing I find that's a big nuisance, now they need

534
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: to leave those cell phones in the truck. If you

535
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: got to talk on the phone, then you need to

536
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: stay at home. So I bring one of my buddies.

537
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: And most of the people I take hunting, they're not

538
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: of my color, my race, but that doesn't matter. I

539
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: tell everybody we're rabbit hunters. With rabbit hunters, that's what

540
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: we're doing. We're not doing We're not trying to cure

541
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: the world of the social ills and all the other

542
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 1: things and what you believe in, what you know. We're

543
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: rabbit hunting. Long as you're safe and and you're having fun.

544
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: And I tell them my job simply is with the

545
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: dogs to get some rabbits up. Hopefully you make a

546
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: shot or two. Now, if you kill, that's on you.

547
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: If you can't shoot and you keep missing, then there's

548
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: a lot of teasing. But that's my job. The church

549
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: rabbit hunt is open and you're safe, and you're safe,

550
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: and all the guys are hunters. They hunt different things,

551
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: some shooting them in the air, some waiting all data

552
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: for that one shot on that big elk or moves

553
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: or big white tails somewhere and and but they know,

554
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: they know safety and that's the key, and they have fun,

555
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: especially because you're a rabbit hunting there's a rabbits running everywhere.

556
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: There's people going everywhere, there's dogs everywhere. Right, you have

557
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: to be aware, very aware of what your point. And

558
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: people don't understand it. They said, well, Charles, that I

559
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: get all these questions. So they say, how close are

560
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: the dogs are the rabbit of the dogs gonna catch

561
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: the rabbit? I say, very rare, very rare. They'll they'll

562
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: they'll get a wounded rabbit or down rabbit underneath the

563
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: brush and they'll bring him out. Okay, But when the

564
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: rabbit get up, I know that the rabbit is up

565
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: by the sound of the dog's voices. Sometimes I see

566
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: the rabbit, sometimes I see the grass shake. And for safety,

567
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: you never shoot in the grass. You or your target.

568
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: The dogs are running twenty five to a hundred yards

569
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: behind the rabbit. So when you see that rabbit make

570
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: its turn and come back, he's given the dog to

571
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: slip because he's gonna run zig zag. He's gonna make

572
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: a double back on his trail. He's gonna circle, he's

573
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna loop, he's gonna do all sorts of things to

574
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: make you look bad. So yeah, yeah, but you did

575
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: good on the hunt. I was. I was very thrilled.

576
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: I think we got fourteen that then you must have

577
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: got four or five. But you will, you feel pretty

578
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: good about us. I wasn't too sad about it. You

579
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: did well, I'll say, I'll take that compliment, especially on

580
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: the recorded recorded conversation. So let's go back. Let's go

581
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: to the start of a rabbit hunt, right because I

582
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: want to get your tips and strategies and and what

583
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: you look for. But so you have, you know, let's

584
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: say the property that we hunted on, okas back there,

585
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: what do you look for and where you're gonna find rabbits?

586
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: What's the first thing that you show up to a

587
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: place and you're looking at the area you can hunt

588
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: either whether you're looking at a map or just looking

589
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: at the tangible wood lot or open field. What are

590
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: you looking for. What you're mainly looking for is cover.

591
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: Rabbits need cover. They hide under the cover, and they

592
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: need to cover to protect themselves from predators because rabbits, uh,

593
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: they're food that most they have more predators behind them

594
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: than any other animals. And hawks, owls, eagle crows, all

595
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: of the flying predators look for rabbits. Then you have

596
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: the ground animals. That's look from foxes, coyotes, feral cats,

597
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: feral dogs, wild dogs, man in the road when they

598
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: cross the road in the darkness, the light of the

599
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: cars blinding, so you see plenty of dead on the road.

600
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: So that's about ten things that's trying to kill a rag.

601
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: So when you look, you're looking for cover. Briars, thick briars,

602
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: honeysuckle in a mixed with briars, grassy fields, weed fields, uh,

603
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: small trees. You're not gonna find many in where the

604
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: woods are open. Now of the woods, on the edge

605
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: of the woods, you've got a lot of briars and

606
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: a lot of honeysuckle. Where we hunted. They're gonna they're

607
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,439
Speaker 1: gonna be in there because they can hide, and they'll

608
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: cross woods, they'll cross water, and they'll come back. One

609
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: thing about a rabbit, when he gets up, he always

610
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: returned to where he got up. So the dogs will

611
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: chase him in whatever direction, and he'll loop. He'll make

612
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: a turn. Sometime you'll go twenty five yards. Sometime you'll

613
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: go out of hearing. As long as they're pushing him

614
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: and they're running him on scent, he's gonna keep moving.

615
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: He runs so far and he stops and listen to

616
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: those dogs, and he's listening up ahead. So if the

617
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: hunters are up there bs and talking and making noise,

618
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: moving their feet around his dry leaves, those long ears

619
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: are not just there too for pretty to show they

620
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: are there, because he's listening. He's got a keen sight

621
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: and he's got a keen hearing. And everything is brown.

622
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: The grass is brown, the ground is brown, the rabbits brown.

623
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: So it's hard to see him. So he'll fly by.

624
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: He used camouflage and he used his stealth speed to

625
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: get away from you. So you're looking for cover. Now.

626
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: I've hunted some woods in particular, like in Louisiana when

627
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: we go when I used to go there and hunt

628
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: those swamp rabbits. They hunt a lot in the woods

629
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: because they are big briars in the woods. And so

630
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: we'd go down in the woods and it might be water.

631
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: Those things run in the water, sit in the water.

632
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: They cross those little streams in Louisiana they call them

633
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: bayous and none but a mini river. They will swim

634
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: across it. They'll hide in the water, and and and

635
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: uh and everything. That's why shocked people we're hunting together.

636
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: Where these rabbits would end up places where you'd find them.

637
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: They be chased into a freaking rock quarry and crawling

638
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: they they will find. In Louisiana, there are a lot

639
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: of oak trees, so there are a lot of holes

640
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: in the trees at the bottom, and they'll climb and

641
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: go in those holes. Now in Maryland, we have a

642
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: lot of groundhogs. So groundhogs have holes and burrows all

643
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: over the We hunt a lot of hedgerows. Hedgerows or

644
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 1: nothing but a big wide ditch that separates fields. Farmers

645
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: will grow corn and soybean and ryegrass and wheat, and

646
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: they plow the field so it's clear, and then there's

647
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: a hedgerow and that separate this section. Then maybe a

648
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: hundred yards over theres another hedgerow, or when it ends

649
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: up with a with a weed feel or a little

650
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: briar covered area. So those rabbits come out and eat,

651
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,439
Speaker 1: and then they live in those hedgerows. So we hunt

652
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: those hedgerows down. And I tell the guys, I said,

653
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: do not be afraid to take that long shot. Take

654
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: that shot, but go check where you shot, because it

655
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 1: only takes one or two pellets down a rabbit. Rabbit

656
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: is one of the easiest thing to kill. So you

657
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: walk up there fast and you look on the ground.

658
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: If you don't see him, you look around and you

659
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: stand still because he might be crawling away. So if

660
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: you see the grass shaking a little bit, then you

661
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: got him down and he'll crawl away. And he knows

662
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: this is his neighborhood. He knows where all of those

663
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: holes are because that's where he lives every day. And

664
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 1: he'll find a hole and going in. Now, we gotta

665
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: lost rabbit. So if they take that time walking up

666
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: that rabbit is crawling, he finds that holy go away.

667
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: Sometime I've been able to pull him out of the

668
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: hole with a stick. But those holes curves and so forth.

669
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: So you lost the rabbit, and if he if he's

670
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: broken down, broken down, mean you've broken the back leg

671
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: or one or two legs and he's crawling. And if

672
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: he if you see him and he's still moving fast

673
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: and you try to shoot him in the head, okay,

674
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: But if he's down and he went under something, my

675
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: dogs will find them. They'll go under the bar. They

676
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: do not eat the down rabbits. Two or three of

677
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: them will bring him out to me, and boy, through

678
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: my face glows like I won the power ball. My

679
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: face is big when I when I first saw a

680
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: couple of dogs doing that, because we lost the rabbit

681
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 1: and here they come out with the rabbit in their mouth.

682
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: On one hunt last year, a boy shot at a rabbit.

683
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: And when I use the term boy, it's not a derogatory,

684
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: it's something we hunters call each other. So he shot

685
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: at a rabbit and the rabbit ran across a gully

686
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: and they went on the other side, and the dogs

687
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: pulled up. When when we say pulled up, that's after

688
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: you shot at a rabbit and the dog stopped barking

689
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: and stopped running in the milling around. I said that

690
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 1: rabbits down I said, I hope he's not in a hole.

691
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: So I go over on the other side, because these

692
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: guys don't move fast enough. I'm sixty eight years old

693
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: and most of these guys are half my age, and

694
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: I out work them all in the woods. So so,

695
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: but this is all I do, so I know all

696
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: of the shortcuts. So I go up there and two

697
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: of the dogs had the same rabbit in their mouth

698
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: trying to bring him back to me. One had him

699
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: by the front leg in his mouth, and the other

700
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: one hand and by the back leg. Now I needed

701
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: a camera for that. Oh that was just awesome. You

702
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: figure out where the rabbits are, I mean most places,

703
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: most places you go find the cover. It's not very

704
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 1: it's not a hard thing to do most times. No,

705
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: especially here in southern Maryland and the east eastern Shore

706
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 1: of Maryland. You find the briers, you find you find

707
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: the rabbits, right, and rabbits are plentiful here for sure.

708
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: So then you you're getting your dogs out. So what

709
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: how many dogs? What kind of dogs? And give us

710
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: a breakdown and kind of that part of it. Okay,

711
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: these dogs are pumped up. This is what they live for.

712
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: This is their excitement. So you you you got the cover.

713
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: And when I let them off the truck, they're coming

714
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: out like F fourteen jets off of the tail gate.

715
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 1: I gotta ramp for them to come down. They don't

716
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: want to walk on the ramp, they want to jump

717
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: off the top. I got all these photos of these dogs,

718
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: ears flopping around. They're hot, they're barking, and normally what

719
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: they do. They've been in the box for maybe a

720
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: two hour ride. So they go and they do their

721
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: bathroom and then they saw it searching and they're going

722
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: through the briars and they're looking for that first cent.

723
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: So they get that first cent up and the chases.

724
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: These are beagles. Uh, their medium speed A run all male.

725
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: Medium speed. They're all pure bred. That is medium speed,

726
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: the blank of their legs. Medi even speed is how

727
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: fast they run. How do you determine? Well, Uh, if

728
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: you have a slow dog, he's gonna be hunting right

729
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: in right near in front of you, moving real slow.

730
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: Is that just the physical ability of the dog. The

731
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 1: way that's a that's bread into the boy. If you

732
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: you a lot of guys, there are three speeds slow speed.

733
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: Most guys don't use. Most guys use medium speed. They're

734
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: moving fairly quick. They're searching, and when the chase get on,

735
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 1: they're moving out fairly quick. Now there are some guys

736
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: like fast dog. Fast dogs are gonna go through the briars,

737
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: and when they push the rabbit, they're gonna push him fast.

738
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: They're gonna push him far. And uh, when he comes back,

739
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: he's coming back fast. He's gonna come back fair. But

740
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: that medium speed gives you time to set up. Okay,

741
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: because when the dog get the rabbit up, the rabbit's

742
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 1: gonna run in a certain direction. So I tell the guys, okay,

743
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: he got up right here, he's gonna come back close

744
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: to that same spot where he got up because this

745
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: is his home. So if it's four of us hunting

746
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: and we're hunting a stretch of cover, I'll put one

747
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: guy on one side so he can wash the inside.

748
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: Then he can watch if you run on the outside

749
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: or try to cross over. One guy on the other side,

750
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: and he can watch that side if he comes running

751
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: down the side, and two of us in the middle. Okay,

752
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: and you find yourself a clearing that you can shoot

753
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: a shooting lane. So when he comes back and you

754
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: see him. He might come back hopping and listening. He

755
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: might come back at full speed, and you said, don't there,

756
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: you go, So the kids, you yelled to your buddy,

757
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: he's coming to you, so he can get prepared if

758
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: you miss him. And then the two guys and you

759
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: can only shoot in front. You can't shoot sideways because

760
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: you've got people close to you. And we we must

761
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: write orange. According according to Maryland, way is orange at

762
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: least one one or more pieces of blaze orange. So

763
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: I carry caps in the truck to give those guys

764
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: who come with the other color caps. And so you

765
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: shoot in front of you. The two side guys can

766
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: shoot on the side because there's nobody there. Now, if

767
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: he runs between us, and he runs behind us, you

768
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: can turn and shoot that way as long as it's

769
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: safe because there's nobody back there but your man, your ground,

770
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: and he's want to come back. He's gonna sit long

771
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: as you stand still, and he will come back. And

772
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: sometime he'll pop up right near you and he'll sit still,

773
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: and you're looking to your left and he's over to

774
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: your right, and he sees you well before and hears

775
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: you well before you see him, so he sits there,

776
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: So if nothing happens, he might stay sitting there and

777
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: he had no reason to move. Say the dog loses

778
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: him and he'll sit there, then he'll take off. But

779
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: most time, uh, they come back and somebody get the shot,

780
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: as long as they're teeny. But you don't look at

781
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: where the dogs are barking, look way in front of

782
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: the dogs, because he's way in front of the dogs.

783
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: It is a strange it's a strange situation because as

784
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: a hunter, you're you're trained, especially with upland game. Right

785
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: dog on point, you got a pointer, right point, you're

786
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: looking where he is is gonna flush. I'm work close

787
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: to there. In this case, like you said, the dogs

788
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: are running in front of us, the rabbits are in

789
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: front of them. There's a bunch of times where I'll

790
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: just be walking along and I'd look up and be

791
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: a rabbit standing there now and he'd, like you say,

792
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: he was standing there looking at me while I was

793
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: walking around. Or I'd be standing there and there'll be

794
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 1: a rabbit comes shooting back towards me like a missile. Well,

795
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: that happens to now. Some of the places on Marilynis

796
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: and Shore, there are a lot of farms where they

797
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: have fur trappers. They trapped the foxes. The foxes on

798
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: the man thing that eat up a lot of rabbit

799
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,280
Speaker 1: because they hunt them night and day. So they trapped

800
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: the foxes for the hide. And so when they trapped

801
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: the foxes, and some of these guys get hundreds of foxes.

802
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: You don't know where all these foxes come, but they

803
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: tell me they get hundreds of foxes. So when you

804
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: kill all the foxes, then the rabbit have time to multiply.

805
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: And a lot of the places I'm privy to hunt on,

806
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: I'm hunting on land that eat the fox fox trappers

807
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: on it, or they have permission to trap the foxes.

808
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: So the rabbits multiplied. And where we hunted there is

809
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: a trapper who comes in and trapped the foxes, so

810
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: they multiply. We've hunted there, uh each year, maybe twice,

811
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: except we didn't hunt the last year due to family

812
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: matters and illness of our hosts. But we get double

813
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: digits in there, uh, and that's plenty. I remember back

814
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 1: in the day before I knew all of these people,

815
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago, we would go hunt, we'd get

816
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: one or two, sometime none. You're telling me yeah. And

817
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: that's it's a big thing, folks to understand. I mean

818
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: in the American West, back in the in the turn

819
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: of the century, where your rabbits stacked up two three high.

820
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: I mean the fields of thousands of rabbits. And so

821
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: when you know, you said you devote your life to rabbit, honey,

822
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: you shoot all these rabbits. You're not putting a dent

823
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: in the poppet, that is correct, not a dent one.

824
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 1: Give you a couple examples. You mentioned you were walking

825
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: in the brush and you saw a rabbit over to

826
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: your right, and the dogs are running one. Many times

827
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 1: where there are lots of rabbits, the dogs will run

828
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 1: that one rabbit, but you'll see two or more side rabbits.

829
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: These are rabbits that are getting out of the bushes

830
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: because the dogs have gone through that and they don't

831
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: know where to go. They hear voices, they hear shooting

832
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: over here, they hear dogs over here, but the dogs

833
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: go through, so they hop out for safety. Unbeknownst to them,

834
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: there's a hunter nearby, and I tell the guys it's

835
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: okay to shoot that one. Shoot him, pick him up,

836
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: put him on a tree. Branch, put him in your

837
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: in your pouch, and the dogs are gonna run that one.

838
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 1: And rarely do they break and split. Occasionally, maybe twice

839
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: a year, I might have the pack running two rabbits,

840
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: but most time they all gonna stay in that same

841
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: rabbit inside rabbits. And I tell the fellas. Some guy said, well,

842
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: I saw a rabbit run over here, and I saw

843
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 1: one run over there. I said, if you didn't shoot,

844
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: because a lot of those guys are scared to shoot.

845
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: They don't know what's the optimum distance to shoot. See

846
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: myself and a few other people, we have no scared

847
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: shells because we're gonna that's right, and they're gonna make more,

848
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: and we keep Remington Federal and all the people win

849
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: Chester in business. We're gonna shoot and and we go check.

850
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: So I tell them, if you don't shoot and the

851
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: dogs are running one, we're gonna kill that one. And

852
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: then if you saw one, mark a spot where you

853
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: saw him. I saw a rabbit run by that down tree.

854
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: I saw a rabbit run over by the ditch about

855
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: whatever over here, and we'll work our way around. Those

856
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: dogs will come. And they picked that sent up and

857
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: we got another chill stone, and we get that one

858
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: and and and and just move and move quietly and

859
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: be on your gar be attentive, because as I told

860
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: one fellow, I told him the rabbit was coming on him,

861
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: and he gets all excited. So he had that over

862
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: and under twenty gauge or twenty eight gauge ready, and

863
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: the rabbit bursts out of those bushes, coming straight at it.

864
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: And that is the hardest shot to shoot a rabbit

865
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: when he's coming straight at you, because he's running fast

866
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: and you're aiming and he's shooting over him, so you

867
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: gotta drop down. So he shot boom, You miss him.

868
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Rabbit ram by boom, he said. Dog on Charles and

869
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: had to beat on him. I don't know how I'm missing.

870
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: I said. Look, let me tell you something. A rabbit

871
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: will make the best shot, the best hunter, look bad

872
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: on your best day. So suck it up, get ready,

873
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: and you can redeem yourself. Said that like the good

874
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: rabbit will make you look bad on your best day,

875
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: the best day, four or five, four or five good

876
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: shots today, you should be happy. That's right, Thank you,

877
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: Thanks to the rabbit. Rabbits. Now you have a unique

878
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: way of talking to your dogs in the field. I

879
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: think probably most people are. And I enjoyed listening to

880
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: you work those dogs at I think that's probably the

881
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: most unique thing about hunting with you, was just listening

882
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: to your run them. So give me an example of al.

883
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: You know, if we were hunting right now and there's dogs,

884
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: how would you How do you talk to them? How

885
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: do you command them? Well, that's that's one of the

886
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: traits that a lot of guys say. They come out

887
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: to hear me. They don't care if they kill anything.

888
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: They say it's lack of it's like a stage performance.

889
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: And I get teased a lot, uh and and and

890
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 1: so forth. So when all of the dogs have names,

891
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: the dogs I hunted with now my two best dogs

892
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: on Hank and Rattler. Rattler is seven, Hank is six.

893
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: That are two best there. They'll bring a rabbit out,

894
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: they'll stay on the scent. When the mother dogs lose them,

895
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: they will find it. Then I have Bozo and Blue

896
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: Blue is a blue tick. All of these dogs were

897
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: named before I got them because I was going to

898
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: ask you. I wanted to pick some of those names

899
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: because I buy them when they're one to two years old.

900
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: So the owners have named them and they raised them

901
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: and they and they're all good dogs. Then I have

902
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: Buckshot and Sam. They're like twenties seven months old. So

903
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: they're coming along good. So when I put them down

904
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: and they take off, to get them going and where

905
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: I want them to go, I call them and I said,

906
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: come on over here, come on over here, come on

907
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: over here. We're gonna hunt over get in the bushes.

908
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: And they understand. Now blue lights to hunt a little wide.

909
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: So and when they when they when a rabbit is up,

910
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 1: I said, come on, find him, now, find him, get

911
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: him up, find him. And they respond. And when they

912
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: lose one, I could be fifty to sixty yards away

913
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,959
Speaker 1: and I'll yelled to him. Find them. What that does?

914
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: That give them encouragement? And they're searching a little bit harder.

915
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: And I yelled to him and I ain't come on board,

916
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: get them, find them. Don't make me look bad in

917
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: front of these guys. They're gonna laugh at me. And

918
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: Teesney and the guys are rolling and next thing you know,

919
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,399
Speaker 1: the rabbits is coming and their teas and so when

920
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: they shoot. When I was shooting and kill a rabbit,

921
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: and I try not to do too much shooting because

922
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: my wife gave me a hard time. She said, how

923
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: many did y'all kill on one hunt? I said, well,

924
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: we kill eight? How many? You killer? Said? I kill six?

925
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: When are they gonna start killing? I say, when they

926
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: get there behind and hunted. You stuck a few in everyone.

927
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's a rabbit, you gotta shoot it, and I'm

928
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: not gonna let them. I'm not gonna let them pass.

929
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: I'll let him run because I want the dogs to

930
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: run the rabbit. I don't want the dogs to one

931
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: run one rabbit for an hour and a half, which

932
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: they do sometimes, and so I want the god's skill.

933
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: But if they are so out of it, then I killed.

934
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,359
Speaker 1: But I yelled to them and encouragement, and then I'll

935
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: yell dead rabbit, Yeah, give me the full dead rabbit.

936
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: I'll say, damn, somebody, you got him. I said, dead rabbit.

937
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: Pick him up. And what you want to do when

938
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: you shoot the rabbit, you want to stay where the

939
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 1: rabbit is down. Now, if he's crawling, you don't shoot

940
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 1: him again and put pepping him up with lead because

941
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: you just put your foot on him. Rabbit is one

942
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: of the easiest thing to kill. Hit him with a

943
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: chop behind the neck with your hand. You can kill him,

944
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: or hit him on the gun barrel, hit him on

945
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 1: the tree. You put your foot on him and leave

946
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 1: him on the ground. So when the dogs come, they're

947
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: gonna follow the scent line to the down rabbit. This

948
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: is their reward for running. When they sniffed that down rabbit.

949
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: A couple of mines don't even come. They just look

950
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: at him and keep on going. They know, they know

951
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: they have scored a touchdown, so now it's time to

952
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: go searching again so they can score another touchdown. And

953
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: they know because if you don't let him see that

954
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 1: dead rabbit. And some of the boys tend to pick

955
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: him up fast and said, no, no no, no, pick him

956
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: a fast, let him let him smell it. And sometime

957
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: I'll walk over and hold a rabbit up and let

958
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: him hold it up and shake it in front of

959
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: their face and they'll look at it, they'll smell they

960
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: know it down. But if you don't do that, they

961
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: keep searching because they think that rabbit is still up

962
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: until they run out of scent line. So they'll foll

963
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: him up that scent line, and when they run they

964
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: are running close together when you know you've got a

965
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: good pack of dogs, they're running. And I tell people this,

966
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: and I write. I write articles for a couple of magazines,

967
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: Better Beagling, a national magazine and out of Indiana find people.

968
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,240
Speaker 1: And I write for a local magazine called the Maryland

969
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: Hunting Quarterly, maybe a couple of times a year, but

970
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: I write five or six every year for Better Being.

971
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: The ones I write for Better Beaglan they're they're either

972
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: about hunts. I take pictures of the guys, the rabbits

973
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: and put them in and send everybody a copy and

974
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: they can brag to their friends. And I'll write stories

975
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: sometime about a hunter. You wrote a story about our hunt.

976
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: My dad and I came out hunt with you, and

977
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: you wrote a story about our hunt. Now I'm a writer,

978
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 1: that's my profession too. And I read this story you

979
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: wrote in Better Biggling magazine and I thought, how the

980
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 1: hell does Charles remember all this? You had the most

981
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: intricate details of stuff that I would never remember. Do

982
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,240
Speaker 1: you take notes? Uh? Or do you just have a photograph? Remember,

983
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. What A fellow who introduced me

984
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: two the starting introduced him. He was the first person

985
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: to introduced me to people who were in the business

986
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: of land and long story. I'm a long winded but

987
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: I'll cut it shot. He This organization was called the

988
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: Maryland Legislative Sportsman's Foundation, made up of about thirteen guys

989
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: who UH promoted hunting and fishing issues UH pros dot

990
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: com and we testified UH before the legislation and we

991
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: worked with the Department of Natural Resources. They asked me

992
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: to do and all I do charity auctions for a

993
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: lot of groups for hunting and fishing groups. And he said, Charles,

994
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: I got your name from some folks. You did a

995
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: charity auction. Now I don't charge for any of these things.

996
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: Susan B. Coleman for a big cancer raising thing twice

997
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: and our auctioneer couldn't make it. Can you do an

998
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: auction for us? I said sure? But what are you charge?

999
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: I said, well, let me ask you something. I said,

1000
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: aren't most of the members hunters and fishermen and water fowlers.

1001
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: He said yeah, but that's gotta do anything. I said,

1002
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 1: I don't want any money. I want permission to hunt

1003
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: on the land that you guys own. AlSi said, that's it.

1004
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: I said, that's it, I said, Plus, you can come

1005
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: rabbit hunt with me. So he told me. After a

1006
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: couple of hunts, he said, and read some of the article,

1007
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: he said, How do you remember all of this stuff?

1008
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: He said, you remember everything from the first cup of

1009
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: coffee two, everything like the shape of the briar past

1010
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: the first round. I do have this great memory that

1011
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: I can remember who's doing what, who was standing where,

1012
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: who shot, who missed? How many times? And I'm just

1013
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to remember, but I remember it. I

1014
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 1: remember to cover the type of cover. We're hunting on

1015
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: flat ground, were hunting on the slope, were hunting where

1016
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: there's a where it bottoms out in a big slope,

1017
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: there's a creek running through it. There's a pond over here,

1018
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: and and and there were ducks on the pond and

1019
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: they flew off. I remember all of this stuff. Who

1020
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: killed what, and how many times they shot and so forth.

1021
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: I have this memory, and when I put the story together,

1022
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: I don't take notes in the field because the action

1023
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,439
Speaker 1: is too fast. But what I do when I come

1024
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: back home, All right, First rabbit killed within ten minutes

1025
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: by being Second rabbit killed by field two shots. Third

1026
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: rabbits five guys shot at him, rabbits still running. Because

1027
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: I had a little human to it. I can remember

1028
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: nineties some percent of what goes on on a hunt,

1029
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: and I can hunt multiple hunts, one behind the other,

1030
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: and I can still remember with a different group of people,

1031
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 1: and I can still remember. But when I come home,

1032
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: I make a little cryptic note, just a few words,

1033
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: we killed fourteen. Sometimes I I'll itemize all the rabbits

1034
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: up to eighteen rabbits, who did what? And the other

1035
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: time I just lumped the story in, and I'll make

1036
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: it short because my wife telling me I'm writing too long.

1037
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: But I'm long winded. So I can remember all of

1038
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: that and and everybody on it. How do you remember that?

1039
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: I said, well, I write nine of it, and I

1040
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: make up five. And one guy's pretty good writer. One

1041
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: guy said he was a joking. He said, you're sure

1042
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: you're not making up and ten percent is the truth.

1043
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm the writer who knows who the

1044
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: hell knows. When I read the story you heard about

1045
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: our hunt, I thought he could be baking that up.

1046
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: But it sounds damn right. It's I don't know how

1047
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: he remembered exactly how that rabbit came shooting out of

1048
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: that brush. But well, and I tell people this, being

1049
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: I tell people this, this is all I do. So

1050
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm not hunting with a bow on deer one day,

1051
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: and then I'm dove hunting the next day, and then

1052
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: black powder comes in and I'm hunting black powder, and

1053
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: then I'm hunting with the gun the next day. Then

1054
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: I go waterfowl, and i go try to kill a deer.

1055
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm not doing all of that. I'm doing one thing,

1056
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: and I'm passionate about that one thing, and my memory

1057
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: rolls with that one thing. So when I when I say,

1058
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: it is pretty well covered because it doesn't take me

1059
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: long to capture. We're hunting a hedgerow and the head

1060
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: row is made up of this, and we're hunting in

1061
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: a in a in a wooded field or grassy field

1062
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: and so forth. And I can remember all of that,

1063
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think I've gotten any arguments back now.

1064
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: Jeff Crane, who is president of Congressional Sportsman's Foundation, he

1065
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: likes to tease me, and he's a great friend and

1066
01:00:54,320 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: a great guy. So Jeff in one store worry and

1067
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: I send Jeff a magazine whether he's in the story

1068
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: or not, and they get to go on about three hunts.

1069
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: He and Phil whom who works for him and whose

1070
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: family owned property, so that we hunt on. So Jeff said,

1071
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: he's at Charles. I don't think I missed that many

1072
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: you put in the story, I said, believe me, if

1073
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: I put in the story, you missed that many. I said, Jeff,

1074
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: why are you always bothered about what you missed? You

1075
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: shot at four rabbits, you missed two and you killed two. Yeah,

1076
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think I missed that many, I said,

1077
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: next time we write the story, I'm gonna draft that.

1078
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send it to you, and you you market.

1079
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: You're telling you if rabbit hunting was baseball, you'd be

1080
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. That's right, that's right, just

1081
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: like hitting the fastball. But teasing one thing about hunting

1082
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: and fishings. As many of the listeners know this teasing company.

1083
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 1: So if you got thin skin, listen, if you ever

1084
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: come hunt around Charles and you don't have a good time,

1085
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 1: that's on you. That's right, it's on chart. Part of

1086
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: my job is to make it, to have you get

1087
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: to shoot, hopefully kill, and to have some fun. And

1088
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed if you don't shoot, and if you don't

1089
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,280
Speaker 1: have some fun. Now they're missing you on your own.

1090
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: You're on your own. That's a t shirt. Miss You're

1091
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: on your own. Give me the the I don't know

1092
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: what you'd call what you call it a chance that

1093
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: you do, like a call that you do. Give me

1094
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: the it's it's it's just a it's just a call,

1095
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: a chant for the dogs. And and they understand it.

1096
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: Each hunter, who each owner of dogs have their own china.

1097
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: Okay uh. Some say yipe yipe. I say hey, come

1098
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: on there, get him in there, boy, find him, now,

1099
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: find him and they look a little day. They reached

1100
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: back and they they pull a little something out. It's

1101
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: like the old fighter. You think he's knocked knocked down

1102
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: and he pulls something up out of his sleeve and

1103
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: he finds an extra punch somewhere and he to fight.

1104
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: They pull a little something up. I've seen dogs tired

1105
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: and they get up that last rabbit and it's a

1106
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:14,479
Speaker 1: marathon running. You yell, and in its encouragement, you're coaching them.

1107
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: You're telling them what to do. Is just like any

1108
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: any coach encouraging their team to play defense, to block

1109
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: that shot, to watch that corner, to to do whatever

1110
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: it is, uh there there whatever game they're doing, and

1111
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. I'm the coach. So I encouraged them.

1112
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: I call the commands and they listen to them and

1113
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: they respond to it. Yeah, there's like and you do

1114
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: like what's yea? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yea. And when when

1115
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 1: they when we when we see a rabbit running and

1116
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 1: the dogs or someplace else, they'll find that set. But

1117
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,120
Speaker 1: maybe they thirty yards away and somebody say, I just

1118
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: saw a rabbit run over here, because you walk up

1119
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: on them and you can spook them up. And so

1120
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: I'll say where, And I'll call a dog. When you

1121
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: call him, you gotta call him with enthusiasm in your voice.

1122
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,959
Speaker 1: You just can't say here, boy, come here. They're gonna

1123
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: look at it. What's wrong with you? So you're calling

1124
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: with enthusiasm, and you gotta be consistent. Come on here, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1125
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: come on, get him up over here, just jump up,

1126
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: come on over here, find him, find him, find him.

1127
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: And boy, they're running through the brushes, and all you

1128
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: need is one to pick up the scent. And he

1129
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: picks up that scent and he gives that certain bark

1130
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: the rest of them in about two seconds. They all together.

1131
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: And when they're running a hot scent, I tell people

1132
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: with my dogs, they're running a pattern so close together

1133
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: you can pull a blanket off the bed and throw

1134
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: it and cover all six of them. They running that

1135
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: pattern that close. Now they are dogs that's gonna keep

1136
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: the lead. I got a couple that's always in the

1137
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 1: lead because they a little bit more peppy than the rest.

1138
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: Is it a more excitement or is it a veteran dog.

1139
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a veteran dog, and they gotta lead

1140
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: little bit more pep They're a little bit more peppy.

1141
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: They got a little bit more speed in their makeup

1142
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: than the others. The others are within a foot or

1143
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 1: two apart, but these are always in the leave. Okay uh.

1144
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: And then I have the veteran ones that when they

1145
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: lose him, they don't give up. They're gonna find him.

1146
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,479
Speaker 1: They're gonna be searching, and they're gonna they're gonna think

1147
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: like a rabbit, and they're gonna go Those other dogs

1148
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: might go to the left, that dog will figure out

1149
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: that rabbit didn't go to the left. He went to

1150
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: the left, but he doubled back or he tripled back

1151
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: and he's over here somewhere. And they figured that out

1152
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: because you can have multiple scent because that rabbit gonna

1153
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:46,479
Speaker 1: crisscross his own scent a lot of time. He'll run

1154
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: down and he'll run back on the same scent pattern.

1155
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: So the dogs don't know which way that scent is going.

1156
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: So it's confusing. But those veteran dogs, and it takes

1157
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: a dog three to four years to become masters. Okay,

1158
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: when they are about four years, thing they own it.

1159
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: If they're any good, you can't touch them. Okay, yeah,

1160
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 1: how do you uh, if somebody wanted to get into

1161
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: rabbit Rabbit hunting is is your passion. It's the thing

1162
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: that you do, right, and so like you said, a

1163
01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 1: lot of hunters just go by the season, right, it's

1164
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: waterfowl season, deer season, just going to the thank you.

1165
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that that just hunt waterfowl,

1166
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people that just love turkey, says a

1167
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: lot they just love a certain thing. Now, But if

1168
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: somebody wanted to pick up rabbit hunting and kind of

1169
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: take it to your level, how where how would you

1170
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: tell him to start? What would you tell him. Think.

1171
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: First of all, I would tell them, fine, a veteran

1172
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: person who's been doing it, one that you can trust,

1173
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 1: and take you out and teach you the fundamentals of hunting,

1174
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: what to buy clothing, what kind of gun preparation for

1175
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 1: that time frame should is best to go? And when

1176
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: you start getting into dogs, how to select dogs and

1177
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: who to trust is best to buy? Well, let me

1178
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: start back, So, so talk about a good gun to

1179
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 1: hunt with. What I would say? I would say, stay

1180
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: away from the twelve gauge. They're large, and if you're shooting,

1181
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: you tend to put a lot of pellets in the rabbit. Now,

1182
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: you can't eat them because you don't want to break

1183
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: up all your teeth, and you're gonna prep them up

1184
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: with shells. Okay, a lot of people use that. Okay,

1185
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: a good twenty gauge. The most fellas use twenty gauge

1186
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,959
Speaker 1: number six and seven and a half. I use a twenty.

1187
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: I use a twenty eight, and I use a four ten. Okay,

1188
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: at four ten, you gotta be on the money, but

1189
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: it'll bring them down. In that twenty eight gauge, there's

1190
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 1: nothing but a rabbit killer. It's got good power and

1191
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't knock him on. And I use six says

1192
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: when I can find them, and all of them, and

1193
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: I'll go to seven and a half. So the guns,

1194
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: the clothing you're gonna need. You're gonna need some orange.

1195
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a vest with a pouch on it.

1196
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a jacket when it started getting cool,

1197
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: with a pouch on it to put your game in it.

1198
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna need some good gloves, leather gloves or some

1199
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: kind of material that resists the briars because you're gonna

1200
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 1: go through briars. And you need briar pants or chaps,

1201
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: because you can't go out there and hunt with blue

1202
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: jeans on, because you're gonna have you'll be picking stickers

1203
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: out of your leg for a week. Okay, So you

1204
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: need briar pants and you can bond from all of

1205
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: them distributors go online wherever you chose, or you can

1206
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: get chaps. That's what mistake I made. I came out

1207
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,680
Speaker 1: here just I can't remember what kind of pants I

1208
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 1: had on, but they and you were in the bushes,

1209
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: and I told some people, I said, boy needs something

1210
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: like a veteran. I have some guys who never want

1211
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:57,800
Speaker 1: to go into bushes. So if I said I need

1212
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: a guy on the clearing, I got it. Then never

1213
01:09:00,240 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 1: want to go into bushes. Then I asked some other

1214
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: guys go into bushes because a lot of time you

1215
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: gotta go in the bushes and walk through. And so

1216
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: you need you need that kind of gun. Barrel is good? Okay? Uh,

1217
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: the some guys come out there, A few guys come

1218
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: out with a single. Lot of guys like a double

1219
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: over and under side by side, pump see me, whatever

1220
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: is your preference. Um, try that, And you need something

1221
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: that's light. You don't need a big heavy gun because

1222
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna be doing a lot of walking. You gotta

1223
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 1: swing it. You're going through vines, you're going through dishes,

1224
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 1: you're going through gullets, you're going over logs, so all

1225
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,640
Speaker 1: of that. You're walking in mud sometime and all of

1226
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: that weights down on your Plus, you got your shells,

1227
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 1: you got your knife, you water bottle, two, three rabbits

1228
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 1: in your pocket if you're good. So you need all

1229
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: of that and now, um, and of course you need

1230
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: a nice place with with a lot of cover to hunt.

1231
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: And the acreage doesn't matter. My buddy and I hunting

1232
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 1: on some land about three acres and we kill one day,

1233
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: we kill our limit. We went back. We kill our limit,

1234
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 1: two little narrow dishes. There were rabbits in there. Uh,

1235
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,799
Speaker 1: but your main things you need cover that houses rabbits.

1236
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: I hunt on some people land there on thousands of

1237
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 1: acres of land. We hunt one little piece. We'll hunt

1238
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: maybe a hundred yards two hedgerows, and we hunt back.

1239
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: We'll get more coming back the second time. Because the

1240
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: first time the dogs are running, one or two rabbits,

1241
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: we kill them. And when we come back through the

1242
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: second time, those rabbits that didn't move, they're spooked up

1243
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: and they're ready to run. We hunted on a on

1244
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: a ditch in the middle of a field. This is

1245
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: a spot loaded with rabbits. I trained there. We we

1246
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: killed three one at the beginning. We killed two at

1247
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: the uddy in about a hundred and twenty five yards

1248
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 1: loan and it's about twenty five yards wide. We hunted

1249
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: back there. I want to say, let's walk to the

1250
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 1: truck in the field and walk to the truck and

1251
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 1: go down. I said no, no, no, no, no, let's

1252
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: walk back through slope. We got plenty of rabits. We

1253
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: killed seven going back. Now, if we had walked in

1254
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: the field and just went to the truck, we would

1255
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: have missed seven. And we hunted there a bunch of

1256
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: us last year and we went across thirty. There was

1257
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of us rabbits was running everywhere, and he said,

1258
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: there's probably another thirty in there. And so I went trained.

1259
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: Because I trained my dogs right after the season in

1260
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 1: the cooler months March, April, me then it get hot

1261
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 1: and in June, July, August, September, I just started running

1262
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,400
Speaker 1: them again, not training running because they already trained. But

1263
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: they're athletes, so you need to exercise them so they

1264
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: can get their stamina. They can lose some of that

1265
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: summer way. So I started. I went um two days

1266
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: ago and I jumped to They ran him for fifteen minutes.

1267
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 1: That's enough. I'm going tomorrow and run them again. A

1268
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: lot of guys don't run their dogs, and when they

1269
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: come out there at first day, they expect miracles out

1270
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: of these dogs that's been laying around all summer. Man

1271
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: and these dogs look like they don't want to hunt.

1272
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: That they never heard of rabbit hunting. My dogs. When

1273
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 1: I let them off the truck, they read it a roll.

1274
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: So you need to you need to work that. But

1275
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: I went trained on this ditch a couple of times,

1276
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: and I took a older friend of mine, he's about

1277
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: eighty nine now, and I just want you to walk

1278
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: on the other side. And so we walked with a stick.

1279
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,839
Speaker 1: We're doing the same thing when we when we're running,

1280
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: except we don't have a gun. We have a stick.

1281
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 1: In about an hour and a half, we we counted

1282
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,600
Speaker 1: at least twenty rabbits, he said, Charles, even at my age,

1283
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: I could have killed my That's I'll tell you this now.

1284
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,799
Speaker 1: You give say you got a lot of older fellas

1285
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: that you hunt with. If it just doesn't mean like

1286
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,639
Speaker 1: you can get like you said, you can be made

1287
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: to look a full by these rabbits. You can go

1288
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 1: one day and shoot tenant rabbits or what shoot your limit?

1289
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: What's your what's the limit? You can shoot four rabbits

1290
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 1: one day and be like I am a rabbit hunter. Yeah,

1291
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 1: I want to pick this up and the next time

1292
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: you go, you should you go over ten or something

1293
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,719
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, yeah, and that happens. That happened. Look,

1294
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: that has happened to me. And that happened to a

1295
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: lot of guys. They go out there one day. One

1296
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: day I hunted with some guys years ago. I shot

1297
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:47,559
Speaker 1: sixteen times. Rabbit came at me straight. I put three

1298
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: on him with a pump missing. He went down, ran

1299
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: right by me, went down. I loaded up. He came

1300
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,799
Speaker 1: back the same pattern. I put three mode that six shots.

1301
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: I killed one rabbit that day with sixteen shots. We hunted.

1302
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 1: We hunted at the end of the season on some

1303
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:07,599
Speaker 1: property nearby. This was in Salisbury, Maryland. I made seven

1304
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 1: shots seven rabits. Slack fishing. You go one day, you

1305
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: think there's no fishing in the bay. You go to

1306
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 1: the next day, the boats tipping over with fish. It's

1307
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 1: the same thing. So you just have to be patient.

1308
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: It's called hunting. It's called hunting and not killing. So

1309
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: my dad always said to me, and and and at

1310
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 1: some level that's what keeps you coming back. That's right.

1311
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 1: But the key, the key is to have good property.

1312
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: And I tell a friend of mine who hunts a

1313
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: lot with when I tell my wife we're religious people,

1314
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: I give thanks to God all the time for all

1315
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: the people I've met, uh, including you and all of

1316
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 1: your comrades, and a bunch of other comrades from a

1317
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,840
Speaker 1: lot of organizations that I've been introduced to, and just

1318
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: a lot of regular everyday people that I'm blessed to know.

1319
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 1: So many people who allow me to come and hunt

1320
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: on their land when they're finished what they're doing. And

1321
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: when February rolls around, the text, the email, the phone

1322
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 1: is ringing, my wife telling me you're one person. And

1323
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 1: I try not to go back to back two days

1324
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: in a row because I need a rest and the

1325
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: dog need arrest, and and I tell them the Saturdays

1326
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 1: and Presidents they've been gone for the last ten years,

1327
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: so you gotta go week days. And some of these

1328
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 1: people got all of these reason why they can't go hunt.

1329
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: And I say, look, and if you want to go,

1330
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 1: you tell me if I can, if I invite you.

1331
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 1: But if you can't go, telling me too, because when

1332
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: I go to when I pull the sheets upple on

1333
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,400
Speaker 1: me at night, I want to know who's going in

1334
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: the morning. I don't want you to call me in

1335
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: the mornings. I can't make it or out of out

1336
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: of this and that and the other not there are emergencies.

1337
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,759
Speaker 1: But if you can't go, I got five guys standing

1338
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 1: in line behind, and all I gotta do is call

1339
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 1: one of them because I want to know who's going,

1340
01:15:57,439 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: who I'm picking up, who's meeting me here to go hunt? Yeah,

1341
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 1: uh And and it works pretty good because guys noted

1342
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: I'm I'm serious about this and so forth. So I've

1343
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: got people coming to me and i'm i'm I'm I'm

1344
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 1: in oval ouds. So I don't I don't need anybody

1345
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:17,559
Speaker 1: else calling me asking me for uh that. I mean,

1346
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: it strikes me that you've kind of taken your upbringing

1347
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:24,599
Speaker 1: and what you love and your your religion and it's

1348
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: all kind of wrapped up into the church of rabbit

1349
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 1: hunting to like you get it's people for you. You You know,

1350
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: it's not just killing. It's not just the pursuit of

1351
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: the animal. It's the people. It's it's the relationship with

1352
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,479
Speaker 1: your dogs, it's the relationship to the land and time

1353
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: has spent outside. Like this seems to me like all

1354
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: that is wrapped up in the passion. It's not you know,

1355
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: you're not measuring, of course, rabbits are different. You don't

1356
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: measure the ear on the rabbit, say how big it is.

1357
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 1: It's did you have were you with good people. Did

1358
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: you have some laughs? Did you did, were you safe?

1359
01:16:56,040 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 1: Were your productive? You have a good time? And once

1360
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: hit once we started losing all of those things, and

1361
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: it's time to quit. And I don't think we will

1362
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,600
Speaker 1: because a deal with a deal only with quality people, okay,

1363
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: and we have some fun and if there are any

1364
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: person who are any anti people that we run into,

1365
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 1: we eat everything that we kill. And if we don't

1366
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: eat it, we got a ton of people who wanted

1367
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: that we give away. Even there's a lady my wife

1368
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: takes acupuncture from a lady. She and her friend rescue

1369
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: straight cats and dogs, and so she asked my wife,

1370
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: what do your husband do with the ears she's out.

1371
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: I guess he throw them away. So she's asked him

1372
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: if he can save them for me, because they've been

1373
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: buying ears from China. So they rescue these cats and

1374
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 1: dogs and they make treats for the cats and dogs.

1375
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: So the last four or five years I've been giving

1376
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: her ears. I give a full five years. So the

1377
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: guys laugh at me when I when I'm there on

1378
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: the tailgate and I'm cutting all of these ears off.

1379
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 1: You probably did so, and I'm cutting all these ears off.

1380
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: So what I do. I take them whatever I have

1381
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: on a hunt, I put them in a couple of

1382
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:13,879
Speaker 1: bags in the freezing and at the end of the season,

1383
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: when my wife go for her treatment in March, she

1384
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: take them to it and she just loved it. I

1385
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,560
Speaker 1: even wrote a story about her, got her in the magazine.

1386
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: And so nothing goes to waste other than the other

1387
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: than the guts and the blood. Yeah, well, it's it's

1388
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a good way of living life. Yes, you

1389
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: have a good time doing and I know you do. Oh,

1390
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I started when the season's over, the

1391
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 1: last day of February. I'm already counting a month now.

1392
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm counting there about about six weeks away. Yeah, gosh,

1393
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah. Yeah, there's just certain things, you know,

1394
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 1: That's what we were talking about for this. I've hunted

1395
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: around a good bit. I'm from Maryland. I spent a

1396
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 1: lot of time on the Eastern Shore, spent a lot

1397
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: of time hunting. Think big credits are big antlers, big horns,

1398
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: big top of mountains, things like that. But there's something

1399
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: about freaking Saturday spent hunting rabbits that I could do

1400
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: every year on the year and if I lived here,

1401
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: probably every weekend, on the weekend, your buddy, your buddy

1402
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: feel whom said, and I quoted him in a magazine.

1403
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: You said, the only bad thing about rabbit hunting you

1404
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: gotta wait ten more months until you do it again.

1405
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: It's fun the end of the season. But people who

1406
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: have never done it say, uh, I didn't notice thing

1407
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: was this much fun. And some of some of these

1408
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 1: guys have gone. They go and they still do. They

1409
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: go all over the world and hunt all sorts of things.

1410
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 1: I mean, they go to Argentina, they go to Mexico,

1411
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 1: they go to New Mexico for all kinds of doves

1412
01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: and sand hill and the big deer here and the

1413
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: elk and all of that stuff. And they go out

1414
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: of the out of the South Africa and hunt all

1415
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: kinds of things. They say, man, one one guy who's

1416
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: a who's a good friend and a associate of Jeff

1417
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: and and fill them. Uh he comes out. He came

1418
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 1: out on one hunt. He had a cigar in his mouth.

1419
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: And and of course I've made this. I tell a

1420
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: story A lot of people in the cigar I've gotten longer.

1421
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: Sigal was probably whatever the every length of a cigar

1422
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: or six seven eight inches, I said, man, when Greg

1423
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 1: was hunty, he had a cigar that sigal was about

1424
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: fourteen inches long and his bough. He never lit it,

1425
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,080
Speaker 1: but when the hunt was over he had about an

1426
01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: inch left in his mouth. Now, I said, Greg, I

1427
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you ate it or what you did

1428
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 1: with that cigar, but you got enough, he said Charles.

1429
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 1: His hunt was so fast and action so heavy. I

1430
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: don't know what I did. I probably swallowed the cigar.

1431
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 1: The cigar, so I tell him us, I keep telling that,

1432
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: so he said, keep telling that story and making a

1433
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 1: cigar longer. I said. By the time I finished that,

1434
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: he thought that was a great No, it is fun,

1435
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: and they're, uh, well, we have this kind of deal

1436
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,719
Speaker 1: in the hunting industry, you know that I run around

1437
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 1: in where like we do celebrate the bigger at critters

1438
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: and the bigger pantlers and the more adventure like going

1439
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: to the top of the mountain and going far, far,

1440
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: far away. We tend to celebrate that a good bit,

1441
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: which is fine because it's awesome. Don't get me wrong,

1442
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: But boy, I'll tell you if you get if you

1443
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,920
Speaker 1: start going weekend rabbit hunt, you'll never have much more

1444
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:29,559
Speaker 1: fun than that. I don't believe, because what happens in

1445
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: a rabbit hunt. And I taught my brother in law,

1446
01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: who's a city boy, out a rabbit hunt's I want

1447
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: to try. He's like thirteen years younger than us. He

1448
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: went with me, and he carried a stick for a

1449
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: couple of times in carrigun. So I learned him a

1450
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: single shot four ten. He said, that's all I need.

1451
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 1: And he bought a couple of common pieces of clothes

1452
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: to see if he liked it. Well, he liked it.

1453
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: The next year he said, I'm in. He bought him

1454
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 1: the whole outfit, and you shot gune et cetera. And

1455
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: he said he told his sister, my wife, He said,

1456
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 1: rabbit hunting is like playing basketball. You got to second left,

1457
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: the score is tied, and you got the ball, and

1458
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:21,759
Speaker 1: your adrenaline is pumping, and you make that final shot

1459
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: and you win the game by two points or one point.

1460
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 1: You know you might be one under. He said, that's

1461
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 1: what it's like. And I've been doing this since I

1462
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:37,560
Speaker 1: was eight, so for sixty years, and my adrenaline pumps.

1463
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,639
Speaker 1: I don't smoke and I don't drink. Uh sometimes I'll

1464
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: put a pepper mat in my mouth or stick, and

1465
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm like Greg with the cigar. I'll chew a whole

1466
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 1: lot of little branches off, a little dry twigs. Because

1467
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: when them dogs are barking, I call it the beagle music.

1468
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 1: When they're barking in hot pursuit, your anxiety and your

1469
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: adrenaline is up high because you're looking all over your eye.

1470
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 1: Your eyes are going like a windshield wipe on a

1471
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 1: car on fashion. I don't know where he's gonna come out.

1472
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: He might you might see him way in front of you.

1473
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: You might see him crossover, he might come right at you.

1474
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: He might run right past you. And that happened all

1475
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 1: the time. So your adrenaline is pumping. So don't come

1476
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: out there with a weak heart. Okay, we don't want

1477
01:23:24,240 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: to carry anybody, but you're adrenaline will pump whether you're

1478
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: like I've heard of people having heart attacks when they

1479
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 1: see this monster deer appear that you read about it.

1480
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: I've only read about it, but I've not had anybody

1481
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 1: have one with me, and I hope I never. But

1482
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: even at sixty years doing this, my adrenal still pumping

1483
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 1: anticipation because it is just so exciting. Yeah, well, I

1484
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 1: think you may have talked a few people in they're

1485
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 1: going rabbit hunting in this last Well, I hope. So

1486
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: wherever wherever, and I wrote this in one of my article,

1487
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 1: wherever you are, it can be upstate New York and

1488
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: anyway in between North South Carolina, anyway down south if

1489
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: you got the right cover, the right people hunting with you,

1490
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: and they've got some dogs in there, and they have

1491
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 1: some good dogs, and you can find out who have

1492
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 1: good dogs. And most of these guys if you offer

1493
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 1: them up some land or something, they want to go

1494
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: because uh Land is getting away from us. So if

1495
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: you approach some of these guys and let them into

1496
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: your world when you finished doing whatever you're doing, you

1497
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: can have some good fun and you can find some

1498
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 1: rabbit because they were everywhere. Yeah, and if you've never

1499
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 1: hunted before, there's a lot of people listen to this

1500
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: podcast that people I interact with and are part of

1501
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:50,120
Speaker 1: our world that I got excited about hunting but have

1502
01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,519
Speaker 1: still never done it. That that want to eat something

1503
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 1: they've killed, but it's still never found a way. They

1504
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 1: may live in a place like you said, where there's

1505
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: no access. They may think they can't afford the equipment.

1506
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: They may. There's a lot of things they that might

1507
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 1: stop them from going to do it. But but rabbit

1508
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:09,320
Speaker 1: hunting in particular has all like you can get a

1509
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 1: four ten for almost nothing. You can get a pair

1510
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: of brush pants for almost nothing. There's just borrow a

1511
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: pair of somebody like like yourself and and find some land.

1512
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: Most people aren't gonna say no, no, no, we we

1513
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: want all our rabbits. Don't shoot any of those. And

1514
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: it's acts, it's accessible, it's easy to do, it's it

1515
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 1: doesn't cost much money at all. If any really just

1516
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 1: get a tag and it's you know, when you shoot

1517
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: four rabbits, come to the Eastern Shore, shoot four rabbits

1518
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 1: and cook them up. It's more meat than you can

1519
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: I mean, my dad and I both shot. We had

1520
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 1: what we left with eight probably and we fed. I

1521
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: don't know how many people that my dad my dad

1522
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: might still be eating those rabbits. Well, we kill fourteen

1523
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: that day, and my buddy Max and I didn't take

1524
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,360
Speaker 1: any because many time on the hunt we get plenty

1525
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 1: and if the hunters that we're taking one of them,

1526
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 1: all we give them all to them and we help

1527
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: we help you guys clean them, but they have many hunts.

1528
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: I go on. But a hunter said, well, I don't

1529
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 1: want any one. Guy said, my wife told me, whatever

1530
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: you're hunting, don't tell me and don't bring anything back.

1531
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 1: So we got his portion. And some guys said, man,

1532
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 1: I just came to hunt and shoot. I don't want

1533
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,080
Speaker 1: any and I don't eat them, but I like to hunt.

1534
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 1: So whatever they don't want, I take, and I give

1535
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:21,839
Speaker 1: to all of the people on my list. So uh yeah,

1536
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 1: if you get that opportunity, and I tell people list,

1537
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 1: if you get that opportunity to go, and you got

1538
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: a good, responsible, safe person and with some good dogs

1539
01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: and gonna teach you and guide you, and you're gonna

1540
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: have some fun. There are some people that you go

1541
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 1: with they want to do all of the shooting because

1542
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: they know where to stand and how to move and

1543
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 1: when not to move and where the rabbits gonna come.

1544
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: I know that, okay, because I can tell how my

1545
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 1: dogs are moving, how fun they are, and if they're

1546
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 1: coming back and so forth. And I tell the guys

1547
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: spread out and move and getting a clearing and if

1548
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: he's going down, he's coming back, and watch and look

1549
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: around you because there are others sitting around. And when

1550
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 1: you see a clump of grass or bush, they can

1551
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: sit in a little clump of grass the size of

1552
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: a small pumpkin and you can walk by because everything's brown,

1553
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: and they won't move, and you walk right past them.

1554
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 1: But what I do, I kick those little clumps and

1555
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: when they get up, we don't shoot the rabbit when

1556
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: we kick them up like that, particularly the first rabbit,

1557
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: because you want the dogs to run the first rabbits

1558
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:40,760
Speaker 1: to get their adrenaline going in, the excitement going. Once

1559
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,840
Speaker 1: you get that ascitement going on that first and second rabbit,

1560
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 1: they're looking for more rabbits. This is what they live for.

1561
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: So um, you kick them clumps and you stand back

1562
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: and you you watch them and then the dogs will

1563
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: will get them up. The dogs gonna bring them back.

1564
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: Everybody out there is listening. Joined the join the congregation

1565
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: Church of rabbit Hunting. I like that term. Well there's

1566
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 1: one fellow. He's a father in law, well almost farther

1567
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: in law. I don't know why that boy hadn't married

1568
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 1: his daughter yet. Uh, he's been dating the young lady,

1569
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 1: and I said, you need to marry them. Well, she

1570
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: wanted a big ring. I said, what the heck, by

1571
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: that big ring? She want a big stone to show

1572
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: her girlfriends, I said, by that stone. So his father

1573
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: in law to be he had so much from this

1574
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: man and never hunted rabbits before. He didn't even have

1575
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 1: a gun, and he didn't even have a jacket. And

1576
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: so he come out there the first time with a

1577
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 1: bar of gun from his son in law and a

1578
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,959
Speaker 1: kind of like a a coverall suit that the workers

1579
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 1: used when it's cold outside. He didn't. I saw the

1580
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: guy giving him shells. I said, every time he shoot,

1581
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: he shot three times, whether he hit or not, he

1582
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:58,479
Speaker 1: stopped three times. He shot at three rabbits, three shots

1583
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:01,080
Speaker 1: a piece, miss all of them. So he he want

1584
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 1: to do it. So I said, you need a smaller gun.

1585
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: So I brought her twenty gage Simi and loaned to him.

1586
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 1: On another hunt. That man out we kill about nineteen

1587
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: that day. He must have killed six or seven. They

1588
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: were running on him and he was popping him and

1589
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: we tease him about practicing during the summer, and um,

1590
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: he said, Charles, I'm gonna call you a different name.

1591
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: You are the doctor of rock rabbatology. I know there's

1592
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: no such word. You say, I'm giving you a new

1593
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 1: handle doctor Rabbatology business card. I saw him this someone, Well, no,

1594
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,600
Speaker 1: I don't need a boostiness card because I got I

1595
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: got enough action already. So but he's a he's a fun, fun,

1596
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: fun guy of a business card with of just you know.

1597
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 1: It struck me like this guy's got a business card

1598
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: on charge of dime. It's just he's just like a

1599
01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: friend that wants to come out and the rabbit. And

1600
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: people say, um, what do you get out of it?

1601
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: I say, it's my passion. I get to meet new people,

1602
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: I get to see other people hunt. I get to

1603
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: share what I enjoy and I get to hunt on

1604
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 1: new lands. Okay, A lot of guys I know don't

1605
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 1: get that. And I'm I'm single out on one of

1606
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: the few that gets that. Because I worked on these committees,

1607
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:32,719
Speaker 1: volunteered my time, I met people. I deal with people great.

1608
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: I have no hang ups, they have no hang ups.

1609
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: If any if they do, then I don't deal with them.

1610
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,759
Speaker 1: And I've met I've been blessed to meet all kinds

1611
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: of nice people from all walks of life. And we

1612
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 1: don't judge nothing about either. And and I know that

1613
01:30:55,520 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 1: manities individual a very affluent in life. But I'm not

1614
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: into that. I'm into taking you rabbit, no matter if

1615
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: you're a king or queen, just a regular guy. So

1616
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: so when you put all out of side, and I

1617
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: know a lot of people outfit, that's their passion. They

1618
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,679
Speaker 1: make a living doing it, doing deer and all kinds

1619
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: of things. And that's fine, that's great. I'm not into that.

1620
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 1: If I own twenty five acres, maybe I would have

1621
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: I would have done it. But when you start taking

1622
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:36,439
Speaker 1: people money for rabbit hunting, there's no guarantee that their

1623
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,480
Speaker 1: rabbits in the bushes. And then people have an expectation.

1624
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 1: Right now, all I can deliver is if they're there,

1625
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 1: the dogs are gonna find them. If you're in the

1626
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: right position, you're gonna get a chance to shoot. And

1627
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: some of them guys have just as much fun when

1628
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: they kill as when they met. I'm telling you, like

1629
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: I said, if you come out with blood MUDs flying,

1630
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: you come out with the doctor of rabbitility, you don't

1631
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: have a good time. I am sorry, but it's on you.

1632
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: You have done something wrong, something terribly wrong. Well, I

1633
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: appreciate you have me in your home here. Um, and

1634
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: your lovely wife cooking his breakfast and spend a time

1635
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 1: with you. I think anybody can learn from something from you.

1636
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: It's it's sixty years of passion for whatever it is.

1637
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what it is, rabbit hunting or whatever

1638
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 1: you're doing, but your passion for that thing is it's

1639
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 1: it's inspiring. And and I thank you, Ben, I thank

1640
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: you uh in meeting you and the things you've done

1641
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:39,880
Speaker 1: for me and introduced me to your dad, and and

1642
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 1: I feel so blessed and so swingle out have been

1643
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:49,479
Speaker 1: given this opportunity to do this interview. Uh. This just

1644
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 1: gives me a big boost. And I hope the world

1645
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 1: that's listening, I hope I was clear and I hope

1646
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: you understand uh and followed through what I said. But

1647
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:09,280
Speaker 1: it is my passion, UH, and I enjoyed tremendously. And

1648
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 1: like I said on my cord, it's the only game

1649
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: in town for me. I don't criticize anybody else for

1650
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 1: the things that they do and they love and that's fine.

1651
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: But uh, I hope I've given you but those who

1652
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: who want to try this somewhere, I hope I've given

1653
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 1: you some good tips. And that's the luck to all

1654
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: of you. Well, thank you and and uh I'm glad

1655
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: it's the only game in town, because the hell of

1656
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 1: a game. Yes, sir, thank you, Charles, thank you. That's it.

1657
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 1: That's all episode number books. Thanks to Charles Rodney for

1658
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: having in his home and his lovely wife for cooking

1659
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: me breakfast. It's so welcoming there, um on a rainy

1660
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: day in Maryland. It was fantastic to be with Charles

1661
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: and to hear about his passion, his life story which

1662
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: is amazing and um why he does what he does,

1663
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 1: which is rabbit hunt. That's all he cares for, that's

1664
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 1: all he wants to do, and he has made an

1665
01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 1: amazing life, an amazing hunting career of doing just that.

1666
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: So enjoy I hope you enjoyed it. I did. I

1667
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: really think he is one of the better guests, one

1668
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: of the better people that will ever have on the

1669
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. So until next time, go to the Hunting

1670
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,920
Speaker 1: Collective dot com, visit me at Benyo B three oh

1671
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: one on Instagram. A lot of conversation to be had

1672
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,879
Speaker 1: about this podcast and all the others we've had recently,

1673
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 1: including Jeff Crane and Andy Treeharn other Congressional Sports Is Foundation,

1674
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:56,880
Speaker 1: including Adam FoST including our Texas series, Wyman Men'ser and

1675
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 1: Russell Cunningham and Bryan and Ryan Cedars of Founder's Vietti

1676
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 1: and many more. So get there, listen up, and send

1677
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: us some comments and questions and criticisms. We love to

1678
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:13,439
Speaker 1: hear it all. High short, do and stick with us.

1679
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 1: You're done in collective. We'll be back next Tuesday with

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Speaker 1: another great guest and another podcast for you, ye