WEBVTT - Arron Oberholser on the 2018 PGA Tour Season

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another edition on the Frida Egg Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we are joined for the second time by Golf

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<v Speaker 1>Channel analyst and former PGA Tour winner Aaron Oberholzer. The

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<v Speaker 1>pre podcast conversation was a fascinating one, so I decided

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<v Speaker 1>to roll without the usual intro, so we'll jump right

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<v Speaker 1>into it. Thanks for listening, and as always, subscribe, rate

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<v Speaker 1>here's Erin Oberholzer.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 2>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in Arid Egg, Frida Egg,

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<v Speaker 2>the dreaded Frida Egg, Friday, Frida Bride Egg Lie, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>about ready to run off the golf course wanted more

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<v Speaker 2>of a restoration. They wanted to bring it back. They

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to bring back the mackenzie bunkering because because Alistair

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<v Speaker 2>had done the original bunkering at cal McCann did the

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<v Speaker 2>routing and the greens, and then Mackenzie did the bunkering.

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<v Speaker 2>So the bunkering is all, especially on the back nine,

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<v Speaker 2>is all like right where it was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the twenties and the teens when he

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<v Speaker 2>built it. It's that's The back nine is a full restoration.

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<v Speaker 2>The front nine because of eminent domain, he had to

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<v Speaker 2>create new holes, so he tried to get it back

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of sort of what it was like. But

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<v Speaker 2>the front nine is kind of a new nine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they have that.

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<v Speaker 1>What six, seven, eight or all new holes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, seven's new hole, eight new hole. See two, three, two, three, four,

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<v Speaker 2>seven and eight are all new holes. Three seven, two,

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<v Speaker 2>They're all good holes. They're all great holes. He did

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<v Speaker 2>a great job.

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<v Speaker 1>The great thing is the fescue and how it plays

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<v Speaker 1>firm and fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that unreal? I mean, we got guys, We got

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<v Speaker 2>guys now who really know golf coming out of there

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<v Speaker 2>and like quietly whispering to all of our membership when

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<v Speaker 2>they see us it plays better than San Francisco Club.

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<v Speaker 2>But you didn't hear it from me. It's pretty funny

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<v Speaker 2>to hear that. I love I love hearing that because

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<v Speaker 2>it just whenever it gets back to an SF Club member,

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<v Speaker 2>they just go, oh, they get all pissed off.

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<v Speaker 1>That's uh. I like I love the I love the

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<v Speaker 1>way col Club plays like from a pure architecture standpoint, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I give I give San Francisco a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a nod.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's but the only reason San Francisco, I think

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<v Speaker 2>gets the nod is from the is because of the

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<v Speaker 2>blue blood history. That's it, and it's you know, but honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>the I can't remember the guy's name, but the president

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<v Speaker 2>at the time I went out and I've played San Francisco,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, twenty times, maybe a little more, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>couple more times than that, and it's great, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's awesome. But when he made the decision and it

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<v Speaker 2>was split on the board and it just barely passed

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<v Speaker 2>to take it back to tilling Hass original design from

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, it actually took away from the golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>I liked the golf course the other way. They like

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<v Speaker 2>changed holes like I don't know, twelve, like thirteen, fourteen,

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen or something like that, and took it back to

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<v Speaker 2>the original tilling Ass design, and I didn't like it

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<v Speaker 2>at all. I liked the course the old way when

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<v Speaker 2>the way I played it in college, and just after.

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<v Speaker 1>College, Zach's caddy, Andy Martinez said that too, legendary caddy, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't. I don't like what they did. And

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<v Speaker 2>the guy came up to me and asked, asked me

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<v Speaker 2>right after I finished my round there the last I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was either the last time or the time

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<v Speaker 2>before last that I played, And I said, quite honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I said, you want my honest answer, and

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<v Speaker 2>he goes absolutely, I go, I don't like it, I

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<v Speaker 2>told him right to his face. Probably why I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been inviting back there, you know, in a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just, yeah, I didn't like it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't like it at all. I liked the old golf

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<v Speaker 2>I like the old golf course better.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't play the old course. I really like fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a I think I like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I love those people Like a lot of people said

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<v Speaker 1>stuff about those holes, like and how they didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>him to me and Zach and both of us kind

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<v Speaker 1>of were like, those are like some of our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>holes on the course, which is kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know you, but you guys didn't play

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<v Speaker 2>the play the design.

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<v Speaker 1>Previous exactly like thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>You might change your mind if you would have played

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<v Speaker 2>the old design.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think twelve might be one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>holes ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Twell, let's say ten eleven, the par three, oh phenomenal,

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<v Speaker 2>part four absolutely, And I think what's lost on that

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<v Speaker 2>golf course is just how good the bunkering is and

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<v Speaker 2>where Tilling has to put the bunkers, and the shaping

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<v Speaker 2>of the bunkers and the visuals of the bunkers. Funny

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<v Speaker 2>thing is I like the back nine there, I do,

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<v Speaker 2>but because of the way they change it, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>as big a fan of the back nine anymore. The

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<v Speaker 2>front nine is like a lesson in golf work architecture.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, the front nine at SF Club is

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<v Speaker 2>some of the is some of the greatest nine. Is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the greatest nine holes of golf I've ever played.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no doubt for shot values, for every shot value

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<v Speaker 2>around that front nine, it is awesome. One of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite nine holes in all of golf. Two the two

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<v Speaker 2>par three just incredible. You know, it's just a special,

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<v Speaker 2>special nine holes. The back nine, like I said, for

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<v Speaker 2>me my money, I'll take the older nine. It's just okay. Ten,

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<v Speaker 2>ten and eleven are great. Twelve is great, but then

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<v Speaker 2>you start at thirteen and go thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I think sixteen it gets back to normal again.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if I remember quickly, that's still an original hole. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then seven seventeen and seventeen's one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>part fours in California.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, eighteen's a good and eighteen's a good solid, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fun eagle opportunity finishing hole on the back.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what, Walking down like the eighteenth on

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<v Speaker 1>an afternoon out there because like there's nobody out there

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<v Speaker 1>is like kind of like a one of like the

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<v Speaker 1>coolest but also like eerily eerie feeling you'll ever have

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<v Speaker 1>in golf. Like I mean, the sun's going down and

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<v Speaker 1>there's just nobody out there, and you're just like you

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<v Speaker 1>just had like a great golf experience too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh it is, and see and that's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what that's. That's I think where where SF gets

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<v Speaker 2>the nod for most for that because because there's so

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<v Speaker 2>few members and so few of those members play on

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<v Speaker 2>a regular basis, they're able to have that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>experience for everybody out there. Everybody gets to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>have that experience out of SF, whereas you don't get

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<v Speaker 2>that same experience at Olympic Club. You don't get it

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<v Speaker 2>at or said, and to a certain extent, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get it at Cal. You know, Col's probably, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>the closest. SF's really the only course that produces that

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<v Speaker 2>that feeling you're talking about. I know exactly what the

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<v Speaker 2>feeling you're talking about. I just I'm always at places

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<v Speaker 2>I walk it, I feel like I'm walking on eggshells.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I don't. I don't. I don't like that feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just that feeling of kind of that up

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<v Speaker 2>at ease, staunchness that give that's a minus to the

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<v Speaker 2>club in my opinion, and SF kind of gives that air.

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<v Speaker 2>Cyprus gives that air. So they're always they're they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why those two aren't in my top five of

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<v Speaker 2>all time. I don't, you know, That's why I don't

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<v Speaker 2>put those guys. So it's just a it's a feeling

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<v Speaker 2>for me that I get on these deals that I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't that that air.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like the col club vibe, and just like

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<v Speaker 1>everything about like how the golf course is presented, how

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<v Speaker 1>you know the club works. Everything there is like top notch.

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<v Speaker 2>Like well, when when out did you meet Al Jamison?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've met him a couple of times now.

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<v Speaker 2>So Al's like a father to me, another dad to me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've known Al since I was fourteen. And when

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<v Speaker 2>he came to me with the vision of cal and

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<v Speaker 2>what he wanted to do to it, I was probably

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<v Speaker 2>in my let's see, I had come to think of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I just won at and T. So he

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<v Speaker 2>came to me and he says, here, this is what

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<v Speaker 2>we want to do. This is what we won't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do. And he was the president at the time

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<v Speaker 2>of the changes and the change of the way the

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<v Speaker 2>changes got voted in. He's really the catalyst for why

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<v Speaker 2>the club is the way it is right now. That's

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<v Speaker 2>his legacy. He turned this club around single handedly practically

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<v Speaker 2>turned the club around. And I said to him, I said, Al,

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<v Speaker 2>your goal, in my humble opinion, your goal is to

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<v Speaker 2>should be to make this the Whisper Rock or Plantation

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<v Speaker 2>in the desert plantation of northern California, the players club,

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<v Speaker 2>the club the guys want to come to to play. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously we allow women not to be members, but they

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<v Speaker 2>can play at those other two places. They don't even

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<v Speaker 2>want them to play half the time. But I said

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<v Speaker 2>that should be the goal. Of the California Golf Club

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<v Speaker 2>is to be the players club, not a staunch jopardy

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<v Speaker 2>club that you have to be a blue blood to

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<v Speaker 2>get into, like SF. But not Olympic Club where you

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<v Speaker 2>know the masses play and they have fifteen hundred members,

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<v Speaker 2>and not a country club. It's a golf club for

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<v Speaker 2>people who love golf, no golf, love to compete and

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<v Speaker 2>are good players, and that should be the goal, only

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<v Speaker 2>with old school design principles versus new school stuff, and

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<v Speaker 2>that I think he I think the guys did a

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<v Speaker 2>good job accomplishing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Andy, I would wholeheartedly agree. I've started to think this

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<v Speaker 1>a new theory about tour golf, and you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a big believer that part doesn't really matter. And something

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<v Speaker 1>I would rather have people judge a golf course on

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<v Speaker 1>is how many different types of shots does it require

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<v Speaker 1>the world's best players to hit? Because that's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>why they're the greatest players in the world. So like

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<v Speaker 1>CAL Club was one that jumped to mind, like, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think a swinning score would be at Cal

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<v Speaker 1>Club if they hosted a PGA Tour event? But would

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<v Speaker 1>it be a more well rounded test of golf?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a great question. I think the guys would

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<v Speaker 2>tear cal apart quite honestly, I really do, if you,

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<v Speaker 2>because it would play so short, because cal Is is

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<v Speaker 2>now fine fescue and bent everywhere, and we've sand capped

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<v Speaker 2>the whole golf course. And we are we are, we're,

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<v Speaker 2>as we like to say on the club every once

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<v Speaker 2>in a while, we're down with brown, meaning it's cool

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<v Speaker 2>if the golf course browns out a little bit, We're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to freak out. We don't need to quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote as I call it, augustify it and not everything

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<v Speaker 2>has to be sparkling green, emerald green everywhere. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>believe in that. At California Golf Club. We want to

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<v Speaker 2>see the ball run. We want to see it run hard.

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<v Speaker 2>We turned the sprinklers off. We handwater a lot, which

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<v Speaker 2>is in my opinion, What did they do in the twenties, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what they did in the twenties they didn't have triplex

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<v Speaker 2>mowers and they didn't have Norelko's. Basically that shaved the

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<v Speaker 2>greens down to nothing, that's for sure. So the grass

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<v Speaker 2>grew a little longer, it played slower, there's no doubt,

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<v Speaker 2>but in the winter time. But they didn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>fancy watering systems they have now too, So in the

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<v Speaker 2>wintertime when it rained in the Bay area, which was

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<v Speaker 2>obviously fairly frequent, they did play soft and slow. But

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<v Speaker 2>in the summertime, when the rain stopped in late May

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<v Speaker 2>and wouldn't come back until early to mid October, that

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<v Speaker 2>place was racetrack, an absolute racetrack as racetracks go back

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<v Speaker 2>in the twenties and thirties, And that's how we want

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<v Speaker 2>it to play now. We want that sucker to play

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<v Speaker 2>like a racetrack from June first to as long as

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<v Speaker 2>we can get it take to stay dry, and then

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<v Speaker 2>handwater as needed, throw on a sprinkler here or there,

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<v Speaker 2>just to you know, just to give it a little

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<v Speaker 2>moisture so the grass doesn't completely freak out. But stressing fescue,

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<v Speaker 2>from what I've talked to Thomas Bastus, who is our

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<v Speaker 2>old superintendent, who's schooled me on a lot of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>stressing fescue is good. And it also helps keep the

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<v Speaker 2>polana out because polana likes moisture and we don't want

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<v Speaker 2>the polana in there. So the dryer we keep it,

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<v Speaker 2>the more I believe it is. This I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>is it alkaline or acidic that Polana doesn't like. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I can't remember one of those two we want

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<v Speaker 2>more of, and I can't remember which one it is

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas told me and I just forgot. But we want

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<v Speaker 2>to keep the grass one of those two more so

0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.960
<v Speaker 2>it keeps helps keep the poan out. So whatever keeps

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<v Speaker 2>the poan out, because that's kind of when the guys

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<v Speaker 2>told me about how they were going to rebuild cal

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<v Speaker 2>when we rebuilt it, that's that's how we did it.

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<v Speaker 2>And now to get to your original question, because it

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<v Speaker 2>plays so firm and fast, guys are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>hitting flip wedges in everywhere, Andy, So we'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>turn one into a par four, and we'd probably have

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<v Speaker 2>to turn seventeen into a par four. So one in

0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.440
<v Speaker 2>seventeen would have to be par four, as we'd have

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<v Speaker 2>to play it as a par seventy. And even then,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the winning score would be somewhere around let's see,

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<v Speaker 2>that's two eighty as a par for four rounds, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have to say the winning score would probably be

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<v Speaker 2>in the mid to low two sixties in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>so it'd be somewhere between fourteen and twenty under I

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<v Speaker 2>think would win at CAL. And that's if you got

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<v Speaker 2>the greens to twelve and you you put proper pins

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<v Speaker 2>out there, so proper.

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<v Speaker 1>My whole theory goes around removing the idea of removing

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of score. But would would Cal club require

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<v Speaker 1>a player to hit more types of shots and be

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<v Speaker 1>a better test than say like last week's course PGA

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<v Speaker 1>and National where everything's through the air and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tells you.

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<v Speaker 2>No doubt, no doubt because you can you can use

0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.880
<v Speaker 2>the ground at Cal. They're the one thing that Kyle

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<v Speaker 2>Phillips built in when he when he redid Cow, the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing he built in was he built in options.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's shaved everywhere. There's very little rough. And what

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<v Speaker 2>rough we have is what you would could what would

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<v Speaker 2>Augusta or what would you would call a first cut

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<v Speaker 2>down like two inches tops, maybe an inch and a

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<v Speaker 2>half in spots. And so you know, when you misagree

0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.360
<v Speaker 2>and it rolls down, you ship there and you go, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want what do I want to do? Like

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<v Speaker 2>especially the front aprons of greens, Okay, do I want

0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.680
<v Speaker 2>to bump this in? Because you have that option with

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<v Speaker 2>fine fescue. Do I want to fly it on? Do

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<v Speaker 2>I want to take that opportunity off this tight fescue

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<v Speaker 2>and fly it on? Do I want? You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>have options? Can I can put it? I can take

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<v Speaker 2>a hybrid, I can take a seven iron, I can

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<v Speaker 2>take a four iron. The one thing that Kyle wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>he wanted options, because that's what Mackenzie gave you. If

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<v Speaker 2>you really looked at the way he designed golf courses

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<v Speaker 2>back in the day, he gave you angles and then

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<v Speaker 2>he gave you options. And if you missed an angle

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<v Speaker 2>or you missed the proper playoff the tee, now your

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<v Speaker 2>options are limited. So it really actually funny enough starts

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<v Speaker 2>with the t ball, even though you would think, well

0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.960
<v Speaker 2>that's the more the thinking of a US Open style

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<v Speaker 2>golf course, not so much. In my opinion. You have

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<v Speaker 2>to create angles on a Mackenzie golf course in order

0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:00.440
<v Speaker 2>to give yourself more options, and if you don't, your

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<v Speaker 2>options become drastically limited as you move along with poorer

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<v Speaker 2>and poorer angles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it kind of goes to the thinking of like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are what are the everybody's favorite golf courses to watch?

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<v Speaker 1>Championships played on Augusta. Yeah, the old course. These are

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<v Speaker 1>places with the old course doesn't care what you shoot,

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<v Speaker 1>but what it is about is having all the shots

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<v Speaker 1>in your arsenal to win. And and that's what so

0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.840
<v Speaker 1>many PGA tour courses don't do anymore. And and everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>become so fascinated with par and difficulty that I think

0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.720
<v Speaker 1>that's been lost is like, how many golf shots does

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<v Speaker 1>this require? The difficult types.

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<v Speaker 2>I call it. I've called it forever, even on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when I when we get in discussions about this,

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<v Speaker 2>which is rare, but I've done. I think I've I've

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<v Speaker 2>had a few discussions on this in the past with guys.

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<v Speaker 2>It's shot values. What kind of shot values does the

0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.200
<v Speaker 2>course present itself. I think Cal presents itself with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of great values, not only off the tee, but

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<v Speaker 2>as far as second shots. I think the par threes

0:17:05.040 --> 0:17:10.880
<v Speaker 2>are very underrated at Cal. I think that our our

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<v Speaker 2>old seventh hole now sixth hole, might be the toughest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a part three, but we call it the toughest

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<v Speaker 2>part four in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Area you've got to hit it on like a blanket there.

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<v Speaker 2>On Andy, You're trying to literally hit it on the

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<v Speaker 2>hood of a freaking Volkswagen when with it blowing down

0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.600
<v Speaker 2>wind off the left, which is the prevailing wind at

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<v Speaker 2>you know, ten to twenty miles an hour some of

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first time I played it, I hit it

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<v Speaker 1>to like six inches and I was like.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this tells not that hard.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then the next time I played it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I like struggled to make bogeye.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's it's that's why we call it the

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<v Speaker 2>toughest par four in the in the Bay Area, so

0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.040
<v Speaker 2>for a reason. So that's been there all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But but Kyle built we had to build a few

0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.520
<v Speaker 2>new holes on the front nine just to to try

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<v Speaker 2>to bring back some of the old holes before Eminent

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<v Speaker 2>Domain built Westboro Boulevard right there and took away some

0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:09.480
<v Speaker 2>of our original holes. So so he did a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two, three, four all new holes, and then seven

0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:15.320
<v Speaker 2>and eight are new holes, and eight is the other

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<v Speaker 2>next is the next par three two hundred and forty

0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:23.520
<v Speaker 2>yards probably plays about twelve downhill and then again down

0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.159
<v Speaker 2>and off the left, same direction. That's the only thing

0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't like about eight is it runs the same

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<v Speaker 2>direction as number six, so you don't get a different wind,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a different challenge with a different club and elevation.

0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:39.399
<v Speaker 1>Chair and that green nasty that Green runs are front

0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:40.080
<v Speaker 1>to back.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, even exactly even though it's pitched from back to front,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fast going from front to back. Man, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it really is. It's really weird. That's the way

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<v Speaker 2>the way that Land sits at col I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that has a lot to do with how difficult those

0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Greens play and put and even on the old golf

0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:01.720
<v Speaker 2>course that was bastard eyes for years by Greens committees

0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.840
<v Speaker 2>who thought they knew what they were doing. You always

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<v Speaker 2>look to You always ask yourself, where's the airport, where's SFO?

0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.359
<v Speaker 2>Because everything's going to SFO, especially on that back nine,

0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:18.720
<v Speaker 2>everything's going to SFO. And it's not that much different

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<v Speaker 2>now that Land still kind of everything wants to go

0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.080
<v Speaker 2>to SFO, except for a couple of holes that you

0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.520
<v Speaker 2>really have to have some local knowledge on. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think the guys they'd still take it low there. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in relation to par, which I know you're

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<v Speaker 2>not a huge fan of, but as people understand it,

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<v Speaker 2>in relation to Par, I think guys would take it low.

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<v Speaker 2>But they would have a blast playing it for four days.

0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.800
<v Speaker 2>They would have an absolute blast because they would have

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<v Speaker 2>so many different shot values to look at wedges, long irons,

0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:54.480
<v Speaker 2>mid iron, short irons. You got to hit all the shots.

0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.359
<v Speaker 2>You got to hit cuts, you gotta hit draws, high, low,

0:19:58.000 --> 0:19:59.880
<v Speaker 2>You got to play a lot of different shots around

0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:02.440
<v Speaker 2>that golf course to be successful, especially if they get

0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.480
<v Speaker 2>that twenty mile an hour northwest wind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think you'd also see like you'd see that

0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Riviera variety where you have all different types of players.

0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.720
<v Speaker 1>It's not just a pure ball striker's course, like you know,

0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:18.360
<v Speaker 1>you'll see flushers up there at the top, but you'll

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<v Speaker 1>also see guys that just have like a knack of

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<v Speaker 1>getting it done inside one twenty five of their kind

0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.760
<v Speaker 1>of magicians and are able to pull off these you know,

0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:30.679
<v Speaker 1>these cool shots from being short sighted on short short grass.

0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.240
<v Speaker 2>You know who I think it would would play really well.

0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.520
<v Speaker 2>There are the guys like Kevin Naw, Kevin Naw's of

0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:42.280
<v Speaker 2>the world, the grinders at cal especially when the wind blows,

0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:46.280
<v Speaker 2>because the great equalizer on that golf course is the wind.

0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.120
<v Speaker 2>And the funny thing is that, you know, people would

0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:51.760
<v Speaker 2>say to me that no the course would go Aaron,

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<v Speaker 2>why wouldn't you change fifteen into a par forwar instead

0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.679
<v Speaker 2>of seventeen? Well, number one, seventeen even though it's like

0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:01.120
<v Speaker 2>five hundred and forty yards, it's straight downhill, down wind,

0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:04.199
<v Speaker 2>so and you can run it onto that green and

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.040
<v Speaker 2>that green kind of goes from front to back to

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<v Speaker 2>a certain extent towards the SFO.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason I wouldn't say that about fifteen, even though

0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.960
<v Speaker 2>fifteen is only four hundred and ninety five yards or

0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.240
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and ninety yards straight up hill and it's

0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.360
<v Speaker 2>head into a twenty twenty mile an hour breathe. There

0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.760
<v Speaker 2>have been plenty of days I've hit driver, driver and

0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:24.919
<v Speaker 2>have come up short of that course. And that was

0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.800
<v Speaker 2>when I was healthy. Yeah, and I still had speed

0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:29.640
<v Speaker 2>and I could I could still pop it out there

0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.920
<v Speaker 2>decent ways, you know. I mean only on a calm

0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.280
<v Speaker 2>day can I get a driver and a hybrid there. Yeah,

0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:37.080
<v Speaker 2>in these these days that.

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<v Speaker 1>Beast for four ninety it's I mean, especially in the

0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.840
<v Speaker 1>afternoon when that that damp air comes in.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh god. Yeah, it's brutal. It's brutal. And you know,

0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.720
<v Speaker 2>depending on what time of year you played the tournament there.

0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it could. It's much like Tubble Beach, you know,

0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.639
<v Speaker 2>that whole area that the micro climates that stretched throughout

0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:58.400
<v Speaker 2>the Bay Area to the Moneray to the Central coast

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.359
<v Speaker 2>where I grew up. You could, it could be. It could.

0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 2>You could be dying of heat out there, you know,

0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:09.040
<v Speaker 2>like you can in August and September or like you said,

0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.600
<v Speaker 2>your fingertips are going numb this time of year. You know,

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.560
<v Speaker 2>when that even on a sunny day, when that northwest

0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:18.760
<v Speaker 2>wind comes in and nature's air conditioner kicks on your

0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.680
<v Speaker 2>your your fingertips are literally going nune. You lose your touch,

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.160
<v Speaker 2>you lose your feel, and it becomes a lot a

0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.360
<v Speaker 2>lot harder a golf course. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so that's kind of I was getting ready

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.280
<v Speaker 1>for this podcast and I just was was thinking about

0:22:35.119 --> 0:22:37.800
<v Speaker 1>golf courses. I started thinking about cal Club and I

0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:40.719
<v Speaker 1>just started, as you know, I think it's more about

0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.199
<v Speaker 1>hitting shots than score.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I think obviously score, and yeah, that's kind

0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 2>of how I judge a golf course. That's why I

0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:52.879
<v Speaker 2>look at That's why I think I look at pasa

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.520
<v Speaker 2>tiempo the way I do Oh pasa tempo is sixty

0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.600
<v Speaker 2>six hundred yards with one foot in the back rough

0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:02.399
<v Speaker 2>off of every tea. That awesome, and it's all you want.

0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:04.760
<v Speaker 2>It's all you want. If they if they get those

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.040
<v Speaker 2>greens to they don't even need to get him to twelve.

0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.040
<v Speaker 2>They get him to eleven, it's all you want.

0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.199
<v Speaker 1>There aren't many pin positions on a few of those greens,

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 1>with greens with green speeds at eleven.

0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's true. I mean, you lose so many pins

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.880
<v Speaker 2>on those greens even getting into eleven. I agree, you're

0:23:21.160 --> 0:23:21.960
<v Speaker 2>limited for sure.

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Did you watched the golf yesterday? Is JT the best

0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:26.920
<v Speaker 1>player in the world right now?

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:30.480
<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. I think that I've seen the

0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 2>arguments on Twitter about how he should be the best

0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:39.000
<v Speaker 2>player in the world. You know, wins is how everybody's judged.

0:23:39.160 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 2>And over the last what is it, sixteen months, he's

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.840
<v Speaker 2>got is it seven wins or eight wins? Seven wins

0:23:45.880 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 2>over the last sixteen months, and no one has that

0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:54.240
<v Speaker 2>many wins over the last sixteen months, it's hard to

0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 2>say he's not if that's If that's your measure, there

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.320
<v Speaker 2>are there are definite things that are wrong with the

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 2>official World Golf ranking, but when you look at what

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:08.199
<v Speaker 2>he's done and you go down his OWGR finishes. Okay,

0:24:08.240 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>he hasn't been as consistent as Rom, even though he

0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 2>hasn't even though Rom hasn't won as much, he hasn't

0:24:16.040 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 2>been as consistent as ROM. Number over the last year

0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 2>and a half, he hasn't been Rom's had more Top

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:27.120
<v Speaker 2>five D da da da da all that. But I don't,

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:30.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not, I can't. I compared him in ROM, I

0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't compare him in speed. But there's a reason why

0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:39.879
<v Speaker 2>he's still third, uh and not number one. And I

0:24:40.000 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 2>believe that that. You can go ahead and make arguments

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:45.400
<v Speaker 2>for the against the O WGR all you want, and

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 2>they would probably some of them would be valid. But

0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:52.080
<v Speaker 2>for the most part, it's it's consistency, uh and divisor.

0:24:52.280 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, if you keep your divisor low,

0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:56.919
<v Speaker 2>you can kind of game the system to a certain extent.

0:24:57.119 --> 0:24:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Quite honestly, that's got of the biggest flaw in the

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.840
<v Speaker 2>whole system is a guy who plays more is penalized

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 2>for the most part. And so until they fix that,

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 2>until they truly fix that, I don't think they've fixed

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:15.360
<v Speaker 2>it completely, then guys are still going to be getting

0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:21.239
<v Speaker 2>penalized for playing more golf versus playing less golf. So

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:29.160
<v Speaker 2>to answer your question fully, right now, he's playing the

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:35.200
<v Speaker 2>best golf I believe over the last I'm going to

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:38.520
<v Speaker 2>go this way, over the last Over the last year,

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:40.800
<v Speaker 2>he's playing the best golf of anybody in the world.

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.800
<v Speaker 2>There's no doubt if you take the last year, better

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:47.240
<v Speaker 2>than DJ, better than Jordan, even though Jordan they both

0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 2>have a major. But he's playing the best golf when

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 2>he gets it going. There's not a lot of people

0:25:57.080 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that can stay with him. Actually, DJ can stay with him.

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Speef needs his A game to stay with him. Rory

0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 2>def Rory, in my opinion, needs his A game to

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 2>stay with him. But there's not a lot of guys

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 2>that can that. There's not No one can beat him

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 2>without their A game. Yeah, no one can beat Uh.

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>No one can beat Justin without their A game. There's

0:26:19.720 --> 0:26:22.880
<v Speaker 2>no doubt when when Justin has his A game, it's

0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:24.840
<v Speaker 2>proven to be as good as anybody's in the world.

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I watched him at riv Uh for those first two

0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 1>rounds with Tiger, and I just forgot how good he

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 1>was and the thing and he did it last night

0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 1>was like the thing that it's the the wedge play

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>with everything else, he's you know, he's a great driver

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 1>of the golf ball. He's a great iron player, he's

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a great wedge player now, and he's a great putter.

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>It's just I mean, everybody's got their defined, like great skill.

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>It's like you you bring up John rom, Dustin Johnson

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:56.640
<v Speaker 1>or Rory, you're going to talk about their driving ability.

0:26:56.920 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 1>But with with Justin, it's everything.

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's got a he's got a very well rounded game,

0:27:04.359 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>and he's worked extremely hard to get there, and him

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 2>and his dad have addressed the right areas at the

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 2>right time, in the right way. And he hasn't done

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:17.560
<v Speaker 2>it overnight. It's taken a lot of work because when

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.159
<v Speaker 2>he first came on tour as a young guy, I

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.320
<v Speaker 2>remember looking at the stats going, oh my god, this

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 2>kid can hit it off the planet at any given

0:27:23.720 --> 0:27:26.400
<v Speaker 2>time and he doesn't know which direction it's going off

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the tee. But if he ever learns how to dial

0:27:28.720 --> 0:27:30.400
<v Speaker 2>it in, he's going to be really hard to beat.

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:32.879
<v Speaker 2>And then I remember looking at him going, Jesus, if

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>this kid could make a putt inside of ten feet,

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 2>he's going to be tough to beat. And then I

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>looked at him and went, then he figured that out,

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and I go, Jesus, if this kid could could could

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 2>hit a wedge close to the hole, he's going to

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 2>be a world beater. And then he figured that out.

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 2>So he's figured everything out step by step, you know.

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:52.520
<v Speaker 2>And and then then finally I finally said, now, if

0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>this kid can play with a lead, he's going to

0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 2>be he's gonna he's gonna be right there with speed

0:27:57.320 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 2>DJ and those guys. And he's learned how to do

0:27:59.880 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 2>that as well. So it's it's it's it's a step

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 2>by step process that he and he's followed every step

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 2>that he's needed to it, and he's addressed every issue

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.359
<v Speaker 2>that he's had within his game, and he's done it

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:17.440
<v Speaker 2>in a manner pretty much better than everybody else. And

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I'd put him right up there with DJ as far

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 2>as the way he's systematically kind of changed his game

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:25.159
<v Speaker 2>to what he needed to do to be one of

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:29.360
<v Speaker 2>the best in the world. Jordan is close there too.

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 2>But the issue I have with Jordan and I and

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 2>I love Jordan's game, but he's never going to have

0:28:38.920 --> 0:28:44.520
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous speed and distance like like DJ and Rory and

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 2>Justin or Rom, he's not going to He's never going

0:28:47.960 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 2>to be there, and quite honestly, in the era we

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>live in, that is going to be a detriment. And

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.280
<v Speaker 2>I said it three years ago at the Masters when

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 2>he won by four shots and shot eighteen under and

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 2>everybody was like, he he's going to dominate. And I said, no,

0:29:02.000 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>he's not going to dominate. And I got killed for it,

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>got killed for it on social media when I said

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 2>that on air, I said, no, he's not going to dominate.

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 2>And Ryan Burr, who's my host, He's looking at me

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>like I'm crazy. I'm like no, because putters go cold.

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Number one. We've seen that putters go cold, and distance

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 2>dominates in this day and age, and Justin has that

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and he does he's not going to have to. He's

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:29.120
<v Speaker 2>not going to wake up and automatically lose twenty yards

0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 2>off the tee. So that's a massive advantage that he

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>has along with Rom. But he's been quicker to refine

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 2>his game. Rom still got a ways to go. He's

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 2>still a lot. He's still younger, obviously, and has more time,

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 2>has a little has more time than just Even though

0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 2>they're both young, Rom still has more time to get

0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 2>that done. And when Rom does the same things as

0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Justin does, because Rom's not there yet with his wedges,

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 2>with his short game, with his playlf, with his with

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:05.320
<v Speaker 2>his refining the little things that that JT has, when

0:30:05.440 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Rom does it, oh my gosh, then we're we're in

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 2>for a treat. Because dj is already there, he could

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 2>probably refine his putting even more. In my opinion, I

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 2>think that's always something he can do better. But Rom's

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 2>a good putter. Rom just needs to refine as some

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.480
<v Speaker 2>of his iron plays, some of his wedge play. Yeah,

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and his putting's pretty good. There's no doubt he's an

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 2>excellent putter now. But when those that iron game from

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>one twenty five to one seventy five and some little

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 2>wedge stuff gets fixed on Rom, Holy mackerel, he's going

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 2>to be him and JT are going to give Justin

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>or excuse me, Dustin it run at number one. There's

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 2>no doubt. There's no doubt.

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then we'll be talking about like guys like

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Sam Burns and Cameron Champ like the are talking about

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.280
<v Speaker 1>j T. It's the young the youth explosion is is

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 1>just insane out there.

0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy, and uh uh, you know,

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 2>and there are some there are some theories behind why

0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>that is. And you can name you can name probably

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 2>five different theories and why that is, and you'd be

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 2>correct on all of them. Probably.

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I was going to ask you, this is a question

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 1>I had written down. Would you contribute the youth movement

0:31:15.360 --> 0:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>more to technology, training or Tiger?

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I put Tiger last on that list. I would say,

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I'd say the youth movement would be more towards technology,

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:33.200
<v Speaker 2>and one in particular, track Man. Track Man's been the

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:39.760
<v Speaker 2>single most single biggest technological advanced in golf in my

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>humble opinion, since since the golf ball change in two

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>thousand and three and the drivers now, the drivers in

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and three weren't up to the ball. The

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>ball hasn't changed since two thousand and three when Titles

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 2>came out with the prov one that changed everything, changed

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 2>everything without a doubt. Okay, but the drivers weren't up

0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>to snuff. The drivers couldn't couldn't unload what that ball

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 2>could really do. Now the technology and the drivers are

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 2>are such probably within the last two three years, to

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>where they it can really take advantage of that of

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 2>that ball. Then you talk about now, then you you

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 2>throw in there on top of that, you throw in training,

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:28.360
<v Speaker 2>proper training, proper diet. And these guys train like athletes

0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 2>and live like proper athletes now and do the things

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 2>for their bodies like proper athletes. Then now you've got

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Now you've got young stud athletes who could have played

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot of different sports and been good at them,

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 2>like baseball or basketball or tennis in uh in some guys,

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>in some people's cases. And now you've got lots of

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:56.760
<v Speaker 2>speed combined with phenomenal equipment, combined with now the coup

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>de gras in my opinion, which is TrackMan on top

0:32:59.880 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>of all this, to be able to self diagnose and

0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 2>optimize to the nth degree, to the nth degree. And

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>then after that, it's it's a it's a weapon for

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.200
<v Speaker 2>these guys like no other in the fact that it

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>gives you confidence knowing you're doing the right thing because

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:25.120
<v Speaker 2>a number equates to something you can, you can, everything's measurable,

0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 2>and you know what good is based on a number.

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>This is how these guys are learning these days. And

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 2>I have a very good uh a good friend whose

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>son who's like a who's like a younger brother to me,

0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>who just signed with the University of Alabama and he's

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna go play for Alabama. Frankie Sappin, who they just

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 2>got a track Man, And the amount, the amount of

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 2>how much better he's gotten with his wedge play in

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 2>the last two months since he got that track Man

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>is astounding when we go play, astounding because he just

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:04.320
<v Speaker 2>works on his wedges constantly. He went from being a

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.520
<v Speaker 2>not very good wedge player even by top junior standards,

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 2>to a phenomenal wedge player by junior standards, collegiate standards,

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and maybe even low level professional standards, you know, Web

0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 2>dot Com Tour, Canadian Tour standards, like within two months

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 2>because of TrackMan.

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like JT is like the ultimate like

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 1>track Man test case where you've got this one hundred

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:33.760
<v Speaker 1>and fifty pound guy, but he swings it so efficiently

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 1>and like optimizes the launch so he hits it so

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>high and so far. But I mean, like what you

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>just said about the wedge play, that's what the game

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>has turned into. Is if if you're a high level player,

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>if you drive it well and wedge it well and

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:52.360
<v Speaker 1>putt well, you're going to be a great player.

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that. I think that I don't even

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 2>know that you need to drive it that well. In

0:34:58.200 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>my humble opinion, Anomar, I honestly think that the biggest

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 2>stat for me for guys that drive it over three

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.520
<v Speaker 2>hundred yards is distance from the edge of the fairway.

0:35:08.480 --> 0:35:10.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, how house can you keep it between the

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>white line, the white stakes, can you keep it between

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.759
<v Speaker 2>the tree lines? If you can do that and you

0:35:15.840 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 2>hit it three hundred plus on every T shot, you're

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.840
<v Speaker 2>going to have a lot of short iron opportunities. So

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.479
<v Speaker 2>at that point it becomes about basically your iron play,

0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>your one hundred and seventy five yards in play, one

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty yards and in play, and how good

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:33.680
<v Speaker 2>are you from that? From that, from every different scenario

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 2>in the rough out of the fairway in the first cut,

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 2>how well can you control your ball? JT does a

0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>phenomenal job of that. Tiger does a phenomenal job of that,

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 2>and always has throughout his career. And so the game's changed,

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and I believe that that the single most important factor

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 2>on the PGA Tour, quite honestly in my opinion, is

0:35:56.000 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 2>iron play. Yep, his second shot performance is approach performance.

0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's one of the biggest determining factors

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.640
<v Speaker 2>of giving yourself a chance to win week in and

0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 2>week out. You know, as long as you keep the

0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:14.120
<v Speaker 2>ball within the uprights, so to speak. It's all about

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the iron play. Quite honestly, you don't have to hit

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 2>every fairway now. Obviously, as you get shorter, you know,

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>you start driving it in that two eighty five to

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.359
<v Speaker 2>two ninety five range. In my humble opinion, you got

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to hit more fairways, and the shorter you get, the

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>more fairways you got to hit because it gets increasingly

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 2>more and more difficult the further back you get out

0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 2>of the rough's. That's that's a fact. So so the

0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 2>longer hitters have a massive advantage as long as they can,

0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:43.840
<v Speaker 2>like I said, keep it between the uprights. Somewhat.

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:49.439
<v Speaker 1>You parlayed perfect into a discussion with Tiger, who led

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:54.479
<v Speaker 1>the field and iron proximity approach proximity last week, and

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that was obviously like the thing that got lost with

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Tiger is he's probably the greatest iron player of all time.

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts on Tiger's play and moving forward.

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I think he's right where he needs to be he

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 2>just needs more reps. Quite honestly, the fact that in

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 2>his third tournament back in real competition, I'm not really

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 2>going to use the hero as as test for him,

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 2>I'd have to say, in his third tournament back, to

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 2>lead the field and proximity to the hole on that

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 2>golf course in those kind of blustery conditions is pretty amazing.

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Goes to show you how much talent the man has.

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 2>But it also goes to show you how much he

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 2>understands what he needs to do with his body when

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 2>it's healthy, to get the club in the position he

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:45.960
<v Speaker 2>needs to get it into to hit the shots and

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 2>create shots. He's a creative genius. And the fact that

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>he's not using anybody for lessons except for himself right now,

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I love, love, love, love love. He is the highest

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:01.720
<v Speaker 2>level of savant and creative genius that the PGA Tour

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:06.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe has ever seen, quite honestly, with his ability to create,

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 2>create shots, to visualize create shots, he has blended the

0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:12.439
<v Speaker 2>technical and the artistic better than anybody in the history

0:38:12.440 --> 0:38:17.839
<v Speaker 2>of the game. Again, in my opinion, and I think

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 2>that if he's allowed to do that continually, and he

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:24.640
<v Speaker 2>allows himself to do that, he's going to be right

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:26.359
<v Speaker 2>where he needs to be, and he's going to give

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 2>himself opportunities doing tournaments again. The putter looks good the

0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.239
<v Speaker 2>short game. I walked with him for all four days

0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 2>at Tory Pines. It was flat out amazing because any

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>other normal human being on the PGA tour would have

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:44.200
<v Speaker 2>missed that cut. Tiger finishes like T. Twenty something, which

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:49.840
<v Speaker 2>was again amazing and considering where he was hitting that driver,

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:56.160
<v Speaker 2>and so the prospects for him are looking up again.

0:38:56.360 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Just reps. It's the competitive flow, caden routine, process, reps.

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Everything he talks about that, people go blah blah blah,

0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:09.239
<v Speaker 2>and the writers just want to pull their hair out. Unfortunately,

0:39:09.280 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 2>to the writers, that's all true. Tiger's speaking the truth.

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 2>It's all about cadence, process routine, cadence, process routine. Every

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.920
<v Speaker 2>professional golfer has a cadence of process and a routine,

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's getting back into that competitively that makes you

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 2>who you are. He just needs to get back to that,

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 2>and once he does, I think the stuff's going to

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 2>start falling. I think everything's going to start falling into place,

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 2>and he's going to give himself opportunities on the back

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 2>nine to win golf tournaments. He was really close this week.

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I completely agree with the reps thing,

0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm nowhere near Tiger, but as a mid am,

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:48.680
<v Speaker 1>like I play competitively and every year, like my first

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 1>tournament out, I shoot like mid to upper seventies, and

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:54.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, how did I just shoot seventy seven? I

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>hit the ball so good, like but like sure enough,

0:39:58.120 --> 0:40:01.439
<v Speaker 1>like the next time out it's dramatically better, and it's

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>just like you're like almost like an idiot with scoring.

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, like you hit it well, but like it's

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 1>just so you're you're not in that mode. So so

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 1>like at a high PGA tour level, you've got to

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.839
<v Speaker 1>imagine that the amount of reps to get back into

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>that form has got to be so high.

0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean that without health, he can't put

0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 2>the reps in, So that that's the biggest thing for Tiger.

0:40:25.640 --> 0:40:28.879
<v Speaker 2>But since he basically missed a year, he's got he's

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>got it. He said it best, and I agree with

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.319
<v Speaker 2>him one hundred percent, is that he's got to find

0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>out what his body is going to allow him to

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 2>do because he didn't know. He's an uncharted territory. You know,

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:42.080
<v Speaker 2>for himself, he doesn't know what that fusion is going

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 2>to do and what it's going to allow him to

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.120
<v Speaker 2>do and not allow him to do. But if he

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 2>can create a pretty good sign that he can create

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty four mile an hour club ed speed,

0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that he's healthy and that he could do what he

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 2>needs to do and he can put the work in.

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:57.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, he told me about as we were talking

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 2>on the fairway in San Diego one hole, and he's

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:04.439
<v Speaker 2>got a pretty extensive regimen after every round to get

0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 2>his body recovered. And that's no different than you know,

0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:13.320
<v Speaker 2>quite honestly me. Now, I understand were he and I

0:41:13.320 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 2>have the same age. I understand what my body feels

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.560
<v Speaker 2>like after a round of golf, and I don't swing

0:41:17.560 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 2>at one hundred and twenty four miles an hour, and

0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a fuse back, So I know exactly

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 2>what he's talking about there. I mean, my hand hurts

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 2>from all the surgeries, my low back's little sore, no doubt.

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:33.239
<v Speaker 2>But he's going to be diligent. He's going to do

0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:34.680
<v Speaker 2>what he needs to do because this is what he

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 2>loves to do, and he loves to compete and there's

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 2>no doubt that if he's able to put the reps in,

0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.279
<v Speaker 2>healthy reps in, that he's going to give him self

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 2>opportunities to win golf tournaments this year. Whether he gets

0:41:46.280 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 2>one or not, Boy, it'd be hard for me to

0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 2>bet against him. Quite honestly, from what I've seen, you know,

0:41:51.600 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest thing was health. Was he going

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:56.360
<v Speaker 2>to be able for me? Was he going to be

0:41:56.440 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 2>able to do it healthy? Was the back going to

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:04.719
<v Speaker 2>be his new one hundred percent, which might be you know,

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.560
<v Speaker 2>his old seventy you know, his he might be seventy

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.080
<v Speaker 2>five percent of what he used to be or eighty

0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:11.600
<v Speaker 2>percent of what he used to be, okay health wise,

0:42:12.239 --> 0:42:14.960
<v Speaker 2>but but it's his new one hundred percent. As long

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.680
<v Speaker 2>as he can swing a golf club without pain, that's

0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>all I was concerned about. Now he can put the

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.360
<v Speaker 2>work in to get back if he has the desire

0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 2>to get it, and I think he has the desire

0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 2>to get it back, and that's you know, that's the

0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:30.640
<v Speaker 2>other big thing, is the desire. So now he can

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:34.200
<v Speaker 2>start taking proper steps and getting himself into the hunt

0:42:34.200 --> 0:42:38.839
<v Speaker 2>on Sunday, and then it's basically now then it gets

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.680
<v Speaker 2>to the point was two. Does he still have the

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 2>killer instinct? Because we haven't seen him right right there?

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.520
<v Speaker 2>But yet? Does he have that old killer instinct? Now

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 2>some people are gonna say, oh, come on, Aaron, of

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:55.240
<v Speaker 2>course he does not, so fast. This is a different Tiger.

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.359
<v Speaker 2>This is a different guy than it was in two

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:02.839
<v Speaker 2>thousand and six, seven, eight, you know, and nine, and

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 2>then he had the personal problems and so on and

0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 2>so forth, and that changes guys in a way. And

0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 2>so you know, does he have that same killer instinct

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.359
<v Speaker 2>that he once had or is he going to have

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.440
<v Speaker 2>to find a kind of a different way to get

0:43:16.440 --> 0:43:19.160
<v Speaker 2>that killer instinct to win. I think that's a question

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 2>that still has to be answered because he hasn't put

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 2>himself in that in that crucial position yet with a

0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 2>with a serious opportunity to win with a backdown on Sunday,

0:43:29.080 --> 0:43:33.640
<v Speaker 2>we're talking like one back to Tide too, in the

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:35.120
<v Speaker 2>lead with nine holes to go.

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:39.120
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. My cousin asked me this yesterday and I

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>was like, WHOA, I don't know, over or under point

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>five wins this year for Tiger.

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll go over because I do believe he's I do,

0:43:50.560 --> 0:43:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I really do believe he can get one. I really do.

0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 2>I think he can get one. Uh you know, I'm

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.560
<v Speaker 2>not going to go out and say it's gonna be

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 2>a major. I'm not there yet. But you got to

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>also look at the fact that and I got to

0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>temper myself a little bit because I'm excited for what

0:44:08.440 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I see for him too. But he also still playing

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:15.240
<v Speaker 2>a very difficult schedule where he's playing against the best players,

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:18.080
<v Speaker 2>like his old schedule where he was the best playing

0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:24.080
<v Speaker 2>against the best week in week out, Tory, riv Honda.

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 2>He's not in the WGCs yet, but Bayhill don't know

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 2>what that feels going to live as of now. Then

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 2>you got the Masters and Memorial, you know, I mean

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.319
<v Speaker 2>the players, So I mean he's playing kind of is

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 2>still of his old type schedule that are very difficult

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 2>golf courses, very demanding golf courses against the best players.

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Were most of the best players there where there are

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:51.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of top fifty players playing. You know, we

0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:53.960
<v Speaker 2>called it back in the day. There seems like that

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 2>then there still is to a certain extent. But when

0:44:55.800 --> 0:44:57.799
<v Speaker 2>Tiger was playing his best, there was the Tiger Tour,

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.479
<v Speaker 2>as I called it, and then the other the regular Tour,

0:45:01.920 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 2>and the Tiger Tour was all the events that he

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:06.160
<v Speaker 2>was at and he was always playing the best events

0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 2>against the best fields on the hardest venues for the

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 2>most part. And so and he's kind of doing the

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 2>same thing now, so that might that might be, it

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 2>might be a little tougher for him, but I think

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:17.160
<v Speaker 2>he can get one.

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:20.800
<v Speaker 1>So I've got an article that is probably going to

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:23.359
<v Speaker 1>come out the day we release this podcast, and it's

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.400
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of about the wgc's. We're talking about the

0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:28.960
<v Speaker 1>best events in the world. Like, I'm kind of just

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>let down by the WGCs, And I'm curious what your

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 1>thoughts are because of the golf courses they play and

0:45:36.360 --> 0:45:39.480
<v Speaker 1>the fact that it's not really a World Golf Championships

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>because they don't really visit any other parts of the

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.760
<v Speaker 1>world other than the US and China and Mexico.

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you gotta go with the sponsorship dollars.

0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 2>So you got to go, man, I mean, I mean,

0:45:53.600 --> 0:46:01.880
<v Speaker 2>to be quite frank, you know, money, money talks, and

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.360
<v Speaker 2>in this in this world, to be quite honest, you know,

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:12.319
<v Speaker 2>if if you had control over where you could go,

0:46:13.239 --> 0:46:15.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, and money was and and the guy with

0:46:15.440 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 2>the money said here's all the money for the if

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:20.200
<v Speaker 2>any guy, any guy who cares who it is, goes,

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I wanted to go to one of

0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the greatest old golf courses, a twenties gem. You know,

0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Let's go play at the Monacito Club. Let's go play

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 2>at WGC at the Monacito Club. Or let's go play

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.680
<v Speaker 2>a WGC at riv in the summertime where it would

0:46:36.719 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 2>play firm and fast, it'd be phenomenal, you know. Or

0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:45.000
<v Speaker 2>a WGC god Forbid at Pebble Beach in the summertime.

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, in August or September. Uh, you know,

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 2>it's a scheduling issue, it's a money issue. There are

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 2>so many things that go into that.

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Andy, Yeah, I'm obviously cognizant of this, of the sponsorship thing.

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:01.000
<v Speaker 2>You are. Yeah, but like i've but it does. It

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:02.479
<v Speaker 2>is a little bit of it. It is a little

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:04.359
<v Speaker 2>bit of a downer that they don't play as good

0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:07.959
<v Speaker 2>as golf courses and that you know, Austin Country Club

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:10.160
<v Speaker 2>is cute and it's and it's fun and it's a

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think it's a peat die, right.

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a pete die. It's a good match play.

0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:15.879
<v Speaker 2>Course, it's a it's a great match play place. I'd

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 2>never want to play a stroke play tournament there, but

0:47:18.120 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 2>it's a pretty cool match play place. But the biggest thing,

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 2>that the biggest issue that I have with with WGCs.

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 2>I used to have a big issue with the fact

0:47:27.120 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 2>that there's there, there's it's it's not at least one

0:47:30.480 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty two man field like Phoenix, where there's

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 2>a I mean, if you're going to play against the best,

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 2>you know what, make it the top one hundred in

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:40.800
<v Speaker 2>the world. Throw in thirty two guys from their respective

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:46.080
<v Speaker 2>money lists. You know, South African Tour, Australasia Tour, Asian Tour,

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Japan Tour, you know, do that for sure, European Tour

0:47:50.080 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 2>do all that for sure. But I always thought, have

0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:56.600
<v Speaker 2>a cut man, make it legit, have a cut. Yeah,

0:47:57.120 --> 0:48:00.759
<v Speaker 2>But and then there's something to think about. But you know,

0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 2>again made for TV. They want the stars there all

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:06.719
<v Speaker 2>four days, so on and so forth. It's you know,

0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I could sit here and talk about this till I'm

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:10.439
<v Speaker 2>blue in the face. But I would like to see

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:13.360
<v Speaker 2>it travel more around the world. But yeah, again, a

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of guys around the world are home based here,

0:48:15.280 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to travel.

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 1>My my thing with the like the sponsorship thing is

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>all right if I'm if I'm going to go to

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:24.520
<v Speaker 1>a sponsor and I used to sell sponsorships for a living,

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Like if I was going to say, hey, like, this

0:48:27.719 --> 0:48:31.279
<v Speaker 1>event's gonna draw like major championship eyes because we've got

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the best one hundred players in the world playing at

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Royal Melbourne in Australia during prime time television like awesome.

0:48:38.239 --> 0:48:43.359
<v Speaker 1>The the effects of the increased exposure as opposed to like, hey,

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're gonna do it on Sunday after Sunday

0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 1>afternoon at Firestone, which is probably one of the most

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 1>boring golf courses to watch golf be played at. Like

0:48:53.960 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the increased in ratings and digital exposure. Like in today's world,

0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:03.960
<v Speaker 1>they are so great for playing at a great golf

0:49:04.000 --> 0:49:08.759
<v Speaker 1>course like Riviera gets great ratings and gets a ton

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:10.839
<v Speaker 1>of buzz exactly.

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Best people want to see the best players in the

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 2>world play the most story best golf courses in the world.

0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 2>If you, like I said, if you put a WGC

0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:21.600
<v Speaker 2>at Pebble, oh my gosh, it might blow doors. Because

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:23.440
<v Speaker 2>first of all, there's not one guy that's gonna say,

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to show up. Everybody's showing up in

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.040
<v Speaker 2>the top fifty unless they're injured, Okay, and I bet

0:49:29.080 --> 0:49:33.879
<v Speaker 2>you some guys try to play injured. So you Firestone. Yeah,

0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I need the gift whenever I hear Firestone and play

0:49:36.960 --> 0:49:38.880
<v Speaker 2>in Firestone and you talk about it that way, I

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.960
<v Speaker 2>need the gift of the cartoon character continually hitting himself

0:49:41.960 --> 0:49:43.799
<v Speaker 2>in the head with a hammer, you know, over and

0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:46.200
<v Speaker 2>over and over again, because that's what it's like to

0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:50.120
<v Speaker 2>play Firestone. It's just it's it's boring and it and

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:52.680
<v Speaker 2>it beats you up on a regular basis. But more

0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:54.759
<v Speaker 2>so that's just boring. It's just the same thing over

0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:57.719
<v Speaker 2>and over and over again. I would like to see

0:49:57.719 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it change venues. I'd like to see I'd like to

0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 2>s s the wgc's change countries more often and play

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:06.240
<v Speaker 2>more great of the great golf courses around the world.

0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And the reason they could do that if they wanted to, is,

0:50:11.040 --> 0:50:13.640
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to maintain seventy five to seventy eight

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 2>player fields, it's not an issue of infrastructure because or

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:21.279
<v Speaker 2>at least practice facilities, I would think, because most even hell,

0:50:21.360 --> 0:50:25.440
<v Speaker 2>even San Francisco golf club's range could practically fit a

0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:30.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, a WGC field on it. Yeah, you know so,

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:35.279
<v Speaker 2>and so I would say that, I would say that

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 2>that that could be possible. But there, you know as

0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:41.200
<v Speaker 2>well as I do, there are so many more moving

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:45.160
<v Speaker 2>parts to that that we don't have time to discuss here.

0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I go into a lot of detail, but

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>it's I just think it would be such a cool,

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:55.000
<v Speaker 1>cool thing if if the WGCs you keep it, keep

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.840
<v Speaker 1>an event in Asia, you have a rotating event in

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.640
<v Speaker 1>the British Islands, and then you have an event that

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:04.440
<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, maybe it's the British Isles, South

0:51:04.480 --> 0:51:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Africa and Australia rotate every year, and you keep an

0:51:08.200 --> 0:51:12.239
<v Speaker 1>event in in uh, in Mexico and South America, and

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:15.160
<v Speaker 1>then the US has one event? Like how cool would

0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:15.400
<v Speaker 1>that be?

0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it'd be awesome. The only issue is, obviously,

0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:21.440
<v Speaker 2>well here's the issue that I see. I see the

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:28.200
<v Speaker 2>scheduling and then the golf course scheduling Southern Hemisphere wintertime,

0:51:28.239 --> 0:51:31.160
<v Speaker 2>summertime sort of thing with southern the southern Northern Hemisphere

0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:36.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. Ye uh, you know, I think more

0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 2>than an even more so than sponsorship money I think

0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:43.319
<v Speaker 2>it's a scheduling thing. Andy, quite honestly, is where are

0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 2>you going to put those events?

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:48.239
<v Speaker 1>The other Yeah, it kind of screws over the event before.

0:51:48.080 --> 0:51:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And after, especially because if guys have got to go

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:54.000
<v Speaker 2>to South Africa. I talked to Trevor Immleman. He does

0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:57.560
<v Speaker 2>that trip a lot, you knows. He said. It's brutal,

0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 2>you know. And obviously I've been the man on the

0:52:00.600 --> 0:52:03.160
<v Speaker 2>ground in Asia for the Asian events the last three

0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:06.440
<v Speaker 2>years and for Golf Channel, and I can tell you

0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:08.760
<v Speaker 2>what the travel is like to go over there. It sucks.

0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.640
<v Speaker 2>It's fun when you get there, but it's it's hell

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.479
<v Speaker 2>getting there. And then Australia is no different than South

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:16.440
<v Speaker 2>Africa from what my friends tell me. I've never been

0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 2>down there, but it's a long trip to British Isles

0:52:20.040 --> 0:52:22.319
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be too bad. Guys on the West Coast had

0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:23.839
<v Speaker 2>struggled a little more than the guys on the East

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 2>coast of the United States that is. But yeah, we

0:52:27.600 --> 0:52:30.200
<v Speaker 2>used to play at the Grove, which was funny enough.

0:52:30.560 --> 0:52:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Kyle Phillips design for the WGCMX back in the day.

0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Last year it was there, I think it was six

0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 2>was the last year. It was there when AMEX had

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:43.799
<v Speaker 2>the sponsorship, and it was it was an okay golf course.

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Tiger ran roughshot over the field, shocking, but at least

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:54.960
<v Speaker 2>they took it to someplace different. And but the reason

0:52:55.000 --> 0:52:57.359
<v Speaker 2>they don't is for that reason alone. I think right there,

0:52:57.400 --> 0:53:00.400
<v Speaker 2>if you could pinpoint on one thing, Andy, it's the

0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:02.839
<v Speaker 2>field before would get killed and the field after would

0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:06.799
<v Speaker 2>get killed. And these tournament directors just don't want that

0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:08.480
<v Speaker 2>to happen. And I don't blame them.

0:53:08.560 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that makes sense. I mean it would be the

0:53:11.960 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 1>scheduling side of things is the most difficult aspect of it.

0:53:17.200 --> 0:53:21.360
<v Speaker 1>So with uh, since you've moved from playing to the booth, like,

0:53:21.440 --> 0:53:24.240
<v Speaker 1>how's your perspective of golf changed?

0:53:25.080 --> 0:53:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it looks a lot easier. It looks a lot

0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:31.640
<v Speaker 2>These guys are so good, and it's it's, you know,

0:53:31.680 --> 0:53:34.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember it being this easy or looking this

0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:36.960
<v Speaker 2>easy the way the guys make it look. And there

0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:39.360
<v Speaker 2>are times I'm sure that I made it look easy myself.

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:41.879
<v Speaker 2>I think we all do as professionals at some point

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:49.040
<v Speaker 2>in our careers. But I find myself for at times,

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:53.680
<v Speaker 2>admittedly forgetting how hard it is and maybe at times

0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:58.359
<v Speaker 2>being I don't think I'm overly critical of guys. At

0:53:58.400 --> 0:54:00.680
<v Speaker 2>times I think I think I I think I balance

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 2>it out fairly well. But there's sometimes where I think

0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:06.840
<v Speaker 2>about I go, ah, you know what, I say something

0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 2>that I think about it, and then you know, on

0:54:08.400 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 2>the commercial breakout, sit there and go, you know what,

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.400
<v Speaker 2>that was a lot harder than it than than then

0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.879
<v Speaker 2>I made it sound. And I need to I need

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:19.600
<v Speaker 2>to respect how hard it is to hit some of

0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:21.439
<v Speaker 2>the shots that these guys hit, and they pull off

0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and you lose perspective, I think, to a certain extent

0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:30.600
<v Speaker 2>when you've been away from playing at the highest level

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:33.600
<v Speaker 2>amount of time. But it's something that's going to happen

0:54:33.640 --> 0:54:36.440
<v Speaker 2>to all of us because you can't play at the

0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:40.200
<v Speaker 2>highest level for forever. So it's it's an interesting it's

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:43.719
<v Speaker 2>an interesting balance that Golf Channel has to has to

0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:47.520
<v Speaker 2>deal with with players because no player comes right off

0:54:47.560 --> 0:54:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the golf course. They've got the knowledge and the understanding

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 2>and so on and so forth, but they're so raw

0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:54.840
<v Speaker 2>on TV. They don't understand the and the mechanics of television.

0:54:54.880 --> 0:54:58.000
<v Speaker 2>So they're usually not very good on TV until they

0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:01.439
<v Speaker 2>learn the mechanics and when and how to say things

0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and so on and so forth, but they've got fantastic information.

0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:07.319
<v Speaker 2>That's the that's the double edged sword, you know, that's

0:55:07.320 --> 0:55:09.360
<v Speaker 2>the that's the thing where you're like, oh, this guy's

0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:12.480
<v Speaker 2>he understands perfectly because he was just there. But as

0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 2>you grow into this end of the role, you start

0:55:14.760 --> 0:55:17.279
<v Speaker 2>understanding mechanics and when to say things and when not

0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:19.160
<v Speaker 2>to say things, and how to put things and how

0:55:19.160 --> 0:55:22.880
<v Speaker 2>to do highlights properly, and the mechanics become easier. But

0:55:22.960 --> 0:55:25.640
<v Speaker 2>then you you tend to forget how freaking hard the

0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:28.719
<v Speaker 2>game is at times, and and you can tend to

0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:31.319
<v Speaker 2>be a little harsher than you should be with some

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:35.759
<v Speaker 2>of the guys. So that striking that balance is important

0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 2>for me as an analyst, whether I'm doing live golf

0:55:38.600 --> 0:55:42.200
<v Speaker 2>or I'm doing studio golf, and making sure doing live

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:45.920
<v Speaker 2>golf is huge for me because it helps me understand

0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:48.239
<v Speaker 2>on a weekly basis what these guys go through on

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 2>a regular basis because I'm out there and I see

0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the shots and I see the lies, and I'm right

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:55.680
<v Speaker 2>there on the ground. I hear the conversations between the

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:58.920
<v Speaker 2>caddies and the players. I see the looks on their

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:01.359
<v Speaker 2>faces when the cameras aren't there, and you can't see

0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.319
<v Speaker 2>him on television, you know, I I and and that

0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 2>brings me back and helps me to understand what these

0:56:07.680 --> 0:56:11.280
<v Speaker 2>guys are going through on a regular basis, because as players,

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:12.040
<v Speaker 2>we've all been there.

0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's I perspective. So what what shot do you

0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:22.040
<v Speaker 1>think is like the most underappreciated shot that pros like

0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:23.400
<v Speaker 1>make look so easy?

0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Great question, Golly. I think it's all dependent upon kind

0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:36.759
<v Speaker 2>of from from a player's perspective. I was never a

0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 2>good fader of the golf ball. I was always a

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, my my fade was a two yard fall

0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:48.160
<v Speaker 2>to the left. So so I think that I think

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 2>that for me whenever I stand up and watch a

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:56.320
<v Speaker 2>guy hit an effortless bomb fade like rom or Dustin

0:56:57.120 --> 0:56:59.280
<v Speaker 2>and it just doesn't come down and it's the sweetest

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.320
<v Speaker 2>little ten yard fall to the right with the driver,

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:04.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh God, that looks so easy. Why can't

0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I do that? For? You know, from my perspective, I

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:09.600
<v Speaker 2>look at that and I'm in awe because I could

0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:12.360
<v Speaker 2>never do that all that well. But for the average

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:15.520
<v Speaker 2>Joe sitting at home ten handicap five to well, let's

0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:18.040
<v Speaker 2>say five to fifteen handicap, and the guys that I

0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 2>play with, that I played with in pro ams, I'd

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:30.640
<v Speaker 2>have to say the most underrated shot. Golly, you know,

0:57:30.880 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 2>the medium trajectory. This is gonna get real golfy. The

0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:40.320
<v Speaker 2>medium trajectory, mid mid yarded spinner with.

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 1>The wedge kind of like JT hit last night.

0:57:43.560 --> 0:57:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Exactly kind of like that. But I see that a

0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 2>guy hit a pat bad drive. He's got to play now,

0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:52.520
<v Speaker 2>he's got to make a US Open style par. He

0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 2>pitches out from the rough a La Toy pines and

0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:59.240
<v Speaker 2>he's got seventy five eighty five yards and the pins

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:01.400
<v Speaker 2>tucked the front over a bunker, and he throws this

0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:05.400
<v Speaker 2>gorgeous medium trajectory spinny little floater in there that just

0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:08.640
<v Speaker 2>comes down like a butterfly with sore feet. One hot stop,

0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.919
<v Speaker 2>comes back maybe three or four feet to inside ten

0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:16.520
<v Speaker 2>feet and make it for park. That is an underrated

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:19.280
<v Speaker 2>skill on the PGA tour. Underrated.

0:58:19.360 --> 0:58:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Those are just underrated pars too, because those are the

0:58:22.280 --> 0:58:25.480
<v Speaker 1>pars that just keep your round going and that always

0:58:25.480 --> 0:58:26.120
<v Speaker 1>get lost.

0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I call them round savers, and they are absolute roundsavers,

0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:32.680
<v Speaker 2>those that that eight to fifteen footer you got to

0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:35.040
<v Speaker 2>make for park because you've hit it a a in

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:39.360
<v Speaker 2>a dog awful spot. So you know they're all round savers,

0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:43.040
<v Speaker 2>but that shot in particular, I watch amateurs struggle with

0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:46.520
<v Speaker 2>that time and time and time again. They just can't

0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:48.920
<v Speaker 2>they can't hit it. They can't hit it. It's a

0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:52.439
<v Speaker 2>very underrated shot. Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen ten

0:58:52.480 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 2>handicaps hit the most beautiful lob shots and I go, WHOA,

0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty cool, you know, from a ten handicap, But

0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:02.000
<v Speaker 2>none of them can hit that float, that medium spinny floater,

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:04.080
<v Speaker 2>that's a seventy five yards.

0:59:04.240 --> 0:59:07.040
<v Speaker 1>That's that shot. And then I feel like when I

0:59:07.080 --> 0:59:11.040
<v Speaker 1>see a guy another shot I love. I always look

0:59:11.080 --> 0:59:12.960
<v Speaker 1>at like with younger kids when I play in these

0:59:13.000 --> 0:59:15.840
<v Speaker 1>amateur events, is like, I know, I'm playing with a

0:59:15.920 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 1>kid that, like I say, is a high schooler that

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:20.720
<v Speaker 1>really knows how to play when he takes two extra

0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:23.960
<v Speaker 1>clubs into the wind and hits like a choke a

0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 1>little choke flighter as opposed to just trying to taking

0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:29.600
<v Speaker 1>extra club and hitting it hard and spinning it up.

0:59:30.080 --> 0:59:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, and guys, and you know it's funny you

0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:35.919
<v Speaker 2>come back to now, we come back to the young

0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:38.919
<v Speaker 2>kids on tour and how their games evolve totally. That's

0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:41.080
<v Speaker 2>how I can tell Jason Day what did he what

0:59:41.120 --> 0:59:42.720
<v Speaker 2>did he do when he came out on tour? Andy,

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 2>everything was nuke. Take one lesson nuked, didn't matter what

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the win was doing. Take one lesson nuked. Jt same thing,

0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Take one lesson nuked. Now, both those guys have developed

0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:56.040
<v Speaker 2>soft arm shots, you know, and that's you have to

0:59:56.080 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 2>have those shots if you want to win major championships period.

0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Tiger talks about it. You watch. All you need to

1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:04.919
<v Speaker 2>do is just go back and look at any of

1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:08.720
<v Speaker 2>the fourteen majors Tiger won, and just fast forward through

1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:11.160
<v Speaker 2>all the days and just have them cut out all

1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:13.479
<v Speaker 2>of the shots of everybody else and just watch Tiger

1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:16.240
<v Speaker 2>shots and watch how many half swings that or three

1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:20.600
<v Speaker 2>quarter swings that guy makes a ton, a ton. You

1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:24.080
<v Speaker 2>gotta have them. Three quarter cut shots, three quarter draw shots.

1:00:24.600 --> 1:00:28.080
<v Speaker 1>You gotta have them, yeah, especially in bad conditions like

1:00:28.160 --> 1:00:30.440
<v Speaker 1>what wind. I mean if you if you don't have

1:00:30.480 --> 1:00:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that shot, you're dead. All right, We've already you know,

1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:36.400
<v Speaker 1>we've covered like half of what I wanted to get through.

1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:41.040
<v Speaker 1>So I want to get into some overrated underrated and

1:00:43.160 --> 1:00:52.440
<v Speaker 1>so overrated, underrated the idea of master's prep, oh prep

1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:56.040
<v Speaker 1>in what regard like you know, well, he's prepping for

1:00:56.120 --> 1:01:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Augusta by playing here, or he's prepping for Augusta doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, dude, that's overrated. You can't prep for a gust

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<v Speaker 2>of my playing a certain golf course, no way, that's

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<v Speaker 2>bs no chance. Nothing prepares you for what that golf

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<v Speaker 2>course is going to throw at you. Geez. Nothing prepares

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<v Speaker 2>you for the way the golf course changes from Wednesday

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<v Speaker 2>to Thursday in the span of eight hours. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they can turn the screws on that thing at any time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just forget about it, kids, never moving on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's funny. I talked to Stuart hagasaid he said,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, he said the same thing about how much

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<v Speaker 1>of the golf course changes from Wednesday to Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>It all of us do. It did when I played it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was just like all of us Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>or Tuesday and Wednesday. You go out for you go

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<v Speaker 2>out for a Tuesday practice round, You're like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>hitting the shots, hitting the shots, seeing the ball, the

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<v Speaker 2>way the ball reacts, Okay, I got this Wednesday kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the same deal. You play nine holes because they

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<v Speaker 2>close the golf course down early, you go play the

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<v Speaker 2>par three. You wake up the next morning, you hit

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<v Speaker 2>your first shot into one, and you're like, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 2>what happened. Honestly, that's exactly your reaction. What happened?

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<v Speaker 1>That's uh, that's all right, so overrated masters prep? So

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<v Speaker 1>what about eighteen hole playoffs timely?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? You know, for our Nations Championship. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>say they're they're underrated, and I'm going to get totally

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<v Speaker 2>outvoted on this one. But it was something spec. There

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<v Speaker 2>was something special about an eighteen hole Monday playoff for

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<v Speaker 2>the toughest test in golf. And I'm hoping the USGA

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<v Speaker 2>gets back to that the toughest test in golf, because

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, listen, I was a player. I bitched about

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<v Speaker 2>how difficult Oakmont was in seven and complained and and

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, that's just part of it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>want to hear players do that again because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>hear I don't hear enough complaining. And when I hear,

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<v Speaker 2>when I start hearing more complaining, that's when I know

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<v Speaker 2>we've gotten back to the toughest test in golf. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think that an eighteen hole playoff on Monday is

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<v Speaker 2>worthy of the toughest test in golf for our nation's championship.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite honestly, some people would say, ah, no, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to get the you know, and now

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<v Speaker 2>they probably obviously you know the news. They changed it

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<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be a two hole aggregate. And

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<v Speaker 2>I understand why they did that, and I'm sure it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be great, it'll be fine. They'll finish it on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>which there's positives to that, but I will miss the

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen hole. I will miss the eighteen hole waking up

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<v Speaker 2>the next morning and you know, turning on the TV

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<v Speaker 2>and sitting down, or guys in the office watching it

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<v Speaker 2>on there, you know, no eight watching on their computers

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<v Speaker 2>or wherever they could turn on the TV and watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something special about that too, in my opinion, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I don't like the two hole, Like how

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<v Speaker 1>did you get too?

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly think they wanted to be different, Andy, because

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<v Speaker 2>you got a three hole aggregate in the PGA, you

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<v Speaker 2>got a four hole aggregate in the open. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to be different. That's my humble opinion. If

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<v Speaker 2>they come up, they give me an If they give

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<v Speaker 2>me an answer that I can that I can believe,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not just selling me something, I'll buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>But in my humble opinion, I just think they needed

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<v Speaker 2>something different. They just wanted to be different than the other,

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<v Speaker 2>than the other two majors.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, they probably did some some big study

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<v Speaker 1>that nobody ever saw the results of except for a

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<v Speaker 1>few people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good point at the point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm I think everyone every golf fan secretly

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<v Speaker 1>wishes for Monday playoff eighteen holler.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think I think all the all of

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<v Speaker 2>us golf nerds who are who are two golf nerds

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<v Speaker 2>like myself? I mean I did that. I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it. I loved I loved watching the one,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Scott Simpson and Payne Stewart. I remember that one,

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<v Speaker 2>Hayler when Mike Donald these are one when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a kid, loved it. So Rocco, Obviously this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the last one, so I'll miss that'll it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be we're losing some nostalgia, you know. Well, well we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have nostalgia now for that, but we're losing a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit that I think we're losing a little bit not

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<v Speaker 2>having an eighteen hole Monday playoff.

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, it's just an odd thing that like

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much about tradition and history and like this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of like the staples and like one differentiator

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<v Speaker 1>of the championship, and they're just like, yeah, we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But the way the USGA is going, it's they're

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<v Speaker 2>there and they're listening finally, which I give them so

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<v Speaker 2>much credit for, because they're listening to the pros, they're

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<v Speaker 2>listening to the people. They're listening, and they're they're modernizing

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain extent. They are, and and I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>them for that. I just don't want them to modernize

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<v Speaker 2>themselves to where the championship itself is unrecognizable. Like no

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<v Speaker 2>offense to the great people at Aaron Hills. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to see another US Open at Aaron Hills. I

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<v Speaker 2>really don't. It's not a US Open golf course. Great

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<v Speaker 2>PGA course, maybe even a Ryder Cup course, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>a that's a PGA Championship style golf course, not a

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<v Speaker 2>US Open style golf course. We need to stick to

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<v Speaker 2>US Open nineteen twenties greats. We need to stick to

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<v Speaker 2>riv Pebble, shinnecock Bethpage Black, even though I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to go back there now because I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's more of a PGA type course, Marion, you know, Marion, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to stick to the old guard in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>and not trick them up so like the way they

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<v Speaker 2>were meant to be played.

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<v Speaker 1>So like a there should be a US Open Rota,

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<v Speaker 1>just like the Open Roda.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely there should be a US Open Rota. Don't don't

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<v Speaker 2>just take some dudes, you know, cash if that's the

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<v Speaker 2>way it's happening, and go to some place just because

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be different. Stick to the Olympic Club,

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<v Speaker 2>stick to stick to the greats, stick to the greats,

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that have stood the test of time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the other thing other thing that does is

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<v Speaker 1>that it adds value to the viewer because like two

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<v Speaker 1>of the most popular events on TV are the Players

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<v Speaker 1>and the Masters, and that because they're played at the

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<v Speaker 1>same course, you're in, you're out, big events and they

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<v Speaker 1>have like like people remember the finishes at those places

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<v Speaker 1>in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Holes exactly so so so how cool is it that

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<v Speaker 2>every five years you know you're going back to St. Andrews.

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<v Speaker 2>For the most part, it doesn't stink. It doesn't stink.

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<v Speaker 2>You look forward to every five years we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be at St Andrews or for me this year Carnousti.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Carnousti. Some people might have an affinity with Mirfield.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're going back to Merefield. Well I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know anymore, but but but maybe hopefully we're going back

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<v Speaker 2>to Meerfield, or maybe some guys are. You're a lit

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<v Speaker 2>them in Saint Anne's guy, so you know, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you can count on certain ones in that open ROTA.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd love for the USGA to do that with

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<v Speaker 2>the great old golf courses in the United States, And

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<v Speaker 2>quite honestly, I would love, my humble opinion, I would

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<v Speaker 2>love East Coast, West Coast, East Coast, West Coast bounce

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth each year.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's enough courses for that though

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<v Speaker 1>on the West Coast.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but remember, if it's a RODA, you're fine, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so you do if you do Tory, Tory riv La

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<v Speaker 2>Club or I don't know if you could do both

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<v Speaker 2>those you probably have to do one or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Pebble Olympic. So you've got what is that, four or

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<v Speaker 2>five courses just on the West coast. Yeah, now you

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<v Speaker 2>do four or five on the East coast, and now

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<v Speaker 2>you have eight to ten. Maybe you can add a

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<v Speaker 2>couple more. There's more on the East coast, Yeah, waymore.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get up to twelve golf courses. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you bounce back and forth or every every two years

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<v Speaker 2>instead of every other year or every three years, every

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<v Speaker 2>third year, you come back to a West coast course,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that'd be cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I have to say, you're just diss in

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<v Speaker 1>the Midwest just because I'm a Midwestern If I didn't,

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<v Speaker 1>if I didn't say something, I was going to hear

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<v Speaker 1>some heat from that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, and I don't mean to diss the Midwest,

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<v Speaker 2>but I but we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we really have a great golf

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<v Speaker 1>course for that in the Midwest. I'm trying to think

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago Inverness with the redesign could be one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Is that too short? Though? Still I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's seventy four to seventy five hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 2>Work for sure, Yeah, no doubt. I didn't realize they

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<v Speaker 2>added that much link to it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not positive though it might only be seventy. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't I haven't been out there yet, so but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously there's lots of great ones in Chicago, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but I mean Olympia Fields. I was there

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<v Speaker 2>for the Ladies KPMG PGA Championship last year, and the

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<v Speaker 2>guys would turn that into a pitching putt.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, yeah, in.

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<v Speaker 2>The back, even from the back teeth, they're just they

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<v Speaker 2>ran out of real estate. And that that's obviously leads

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<v Speaker 2>to another discussion about the ball, but in technology, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a that's a future pod. I had it on

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<v Speaker 1>my list of topics and that's not going to wear

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<v Speaker 1>getting into that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not going to get there today. No, but that's that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But I agree, I think there needs to be a rotation.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the USGA said in a rotation, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that that would be that would be fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah, and it would be good weather and all

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<v Speaker 1>those places for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like for the most part, you can still get the

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<v Speaker 2>occasional stoppage of play on the East coast, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>West coast smooth sailing. You might have to worry about

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<v Speaker 2>a fog delay here and there, but nothing major.

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<v Speaker 1>The West Coast would be so great with it finishing

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<v Speaker 1>at like nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's what I might argument all the time for

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<v Speaker 2>West Coast events is hey guys, TV people on prime

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<v Speaker 2>prime time on the on the East coast, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for a West Coast event, and I think TV digs

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<v Speaker 2>West Coast events. But the one thing you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to worry about, like I said, other than fog, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can get the fall I'll get at Olympic or

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<v Speaker 2>at Pebble or Tory in June.

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<v Speaker 1>June gloom, it's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>June gloom, there's no doubt. But other than the fog,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not getting lightning and you're not getting rain, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and the fog is somewhat rare to a

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<v Speaker 2>certain extent, so weather delays would be few and far

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<v Speaker 2>between in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so last overrated, underrated, And this was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a topic, but we're just gonna throw it in here.

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<v Speaker 1>The resurgent Phil Mickelson.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, I always think Phil's underrated. He's just he's

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<v Speaker 2>so good. I mean, the guy astounds me. He's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely underrated. I think that at forty seven, almost forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight years old. To be able to still swing it

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<v Speaker 2>between one hundred and sixteen and one hundred and twenty

1:11:56.880 --> 1:12:00.479
<v Speaker 2>miles an hour is incredible. In my opinion. It's a

1:12:00.520 --> 1:12:03.720
<v Speaker 2>testament to his It's a testament to his desire to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to work and find things to get better at,

1:12:07.120 --> 1:12:09.240
<v Speaker 2>which is hard to do it forty seven, forty eight,

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<v Speaker 2>because I know there are plenty of guys in there

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<v Speaker 2>early to mid forties that are having a hard time

1:12:14.760 --> 1:12:20.360
<v Speaker 2>doing that, but and maybe even late thirties having a

1:12:20.360 --> 1:12:22.760
<v Speaker 2>hard time trying to figure out, you know, motivation to

1:12:22.760 --> 1:12:27.840
<v Speaker 2>go out there and work on things. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his hernia surgeries really set him back speed wise, and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know if he was able to ever able

1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:36.120
<v Speaker 2>to get to be able to get all that speedback

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<v Speaker 2>from those hernia surgeries. And lo and behold, he's been

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<v Speaker 2>able to get a lot of it back.

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<v Speaker 1>And that hadn't hitting it longer than he ever hit

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<v Speaker 1>it before in his career.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, yeah, I mean a lot of it's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it's you know, listen, you can't discount technology

1:12:50.840 --> 1:12:54.400
<v Speaker 2>for both him and Tiger. Technology is helping both those boys.

1:12:54.479 --> 1:12:56.880
<v Speaker 2>There's no doubt the optimization of the ball in the

1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:59.639
<v Speaker 2>club and the shaft, clubhead and the shaft, without a doubt.

1:12:59.720 --> 1:13:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Track man helping those boys big time. But but they

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<v Speaker 2>still got to get in the gym and get it

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<v Speaker 2>done and put put in hours and hours of work

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<v Speaker 2>on their bodies at forty you know, forty two and

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven years old in Phil's case. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm all in on a Phil resurgence. It's just a

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<v Speaker 2>matter of can he put it all together? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all it's been. It's one thing each week. So far,

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<v Speaker 2>he's so close, but it's one thing each week. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's either as and luckily a short game. And

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<v Speaker 2>his putting has been there pretty much every week, which

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<v Speaker 2>in your forties, that's usually the first thing that goes

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<v Speaker 2>you get a little you know, YIPPIEI doda around the

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<v Speaker 2>greens with the with the putter and the wedges. At times,

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<v Speaker 2>Phil not not even showing zero signs of that. And

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<v Speaker 2>but he's just either struggled a little bit off the

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<v Speaker 2>tea or he struggled with the irons. So if he can,

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<v Speaker 2>if he can find a week where he puts those

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<v Speaker 2>two things together, he can win. Yeah, no doubt he

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<v Speaker 2>can win.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of feeling this week is that altitude. He's always

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<v Speaker 1>played really well at altitude.

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<v Speaker 2>Because he doesn't have to hit a lot of drivers in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the ball goes straight in altitude, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>That might not be a good thing for him. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>he likes he likes to see it curve. So one

1:14:16.600 --> 1:14:19.040
<v Speaker 2>thing about altitude that I think that that that is

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<v Speaker 2>actually if we're doing underrated or overrated, is underrated. The

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<v Speaker 2>one thing about altitude, it's hard to curve the ball. Yeah,

1:14:27.640 --> 1:14:31.040
<v Speaker 2>at altitude because there's less guys who really like to

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<v Speaker 2>curve it, like Bubba and those guys and like to

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<v Speaker 2>work the ball. Those guys might struggle a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico. We'll see, We'll have to wait and see.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's kind of one of my you know, hypothesis

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<v Speaker 2>is with the hypotheses, if you will, or theories that

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<v Speaker 2>I have with guys. So if Phil can adjust to that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no doubt he can. He can win Mexico.

1:14:48.520 --> 1:14:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I think he won that. Like what international that you

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<v Speaker 1>used to get played at?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? He did, Yeah he did, but that was how

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<v Speaker 2>long agot.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was in contention last year too, there, so

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<v Speaker 1>he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe it's working for him. He understands exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>he needs to do, So maybe maybe altitude is straightening

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<v Speaker 2>his ball out for him.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and it's one of the things, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's like he thinks about all those different factors of

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<v Speaker 1>a shadowy and it's perfect for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you. I wish there was a thought bubble on

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<v Speaker 2>television above Phil's head filled with all the stuff that's

1:15:19.800 --> 1:15:22.799
<v Speaker 2>going through it went as he's trying to calculate yardages.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be classic, that'd be fantastic because the permutations

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<v Speaker 2>of the algorithms that have to be going through his

1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:33.040
<v Speaker 2>head to get it, to get all this stuff done.

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<v Speaker 2>And I honestly, I think it's going to be less

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<v Speaker 2>with his brother with Tim on the bag than it

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<v Speaker 2>was with Bones. I almost think Bones gave him too

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<v Speaker 2>much information, even though Phil wanted it. I don't think

1:15:41.360 --> 1:15:45.080
<v Speaker 2>he needed it all. I think that he I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think Tim gives him all of that quite honestly. Maybe

1:15:50.000 --> 1:15:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Phil does, maybe Phil doesn't want it, but it sure

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem like it. I don't hear the same conversations

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<v Speaker 2>with Tim and Phil as I did with Bones.

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<v Speaker 1>And philm Bones was an enabler.

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<v Speaker 2>Bones was an enabler. I love it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, last question and then we'll get you

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<v Speaker 1>out of here. All you need to give four names

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<v Speaker 1>who are major champions this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, let's see, I'm gonna go. Gosh, it's hard

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<v Speaker 2>for me to go against statistics at the Masters, So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go based on what Justin Ray sent me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not gonna name him off, but I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go with I'm gonna go with Justin Rose at the Masters. God,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope he putts well because that's pretty much all

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<v Speaker 2>he needs to do there. And let's see, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go a US Open, Shinnycock, I'm gonna go with. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go with Spieth at the US Open, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he gets his second US Open. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's gonna be a great golf course for him, very

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<v Speaker 2>creative and gonna move the ball around a lot, and

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<v Speaker 2>short game is gonna be required, and grinding is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be required. I think the usg is going to get

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<v Speaker 2>back to a more traditional US Open setup. But so

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're gonna allow you some angles they're not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna allow you all the angles usually get a chinnacock,

1:17:03.920 --> 1:17:09.040
<v Speaker 2>but they're gonna allow you a few more. See Carnoustie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, you need a ball striker.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you gotta bring you better, bring your.

1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you gotta bring the you gotta bring up. It's

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<v Speaker 2>gotta be a big boy at CARNOUSTI I think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see Sergia. No, you know, that's the obvious choice,

1:17:26.240 --> 1:17:31.320
<v Speaker 2>obviously for what happened in O seven, But oh gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is hard. I'm gonna go with John Rahm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's a good peck.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go with John Rahm. He's still he's still,

1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:40.360
<v Speaker 2>he's still rang and he's got a little ways to go.

1:17:40.439 --> 1:17:43.879
<v Speaker 2>But on a golf course like that where ball striking

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<v Speaker 2>is paramount, I mean, you got a nut at around

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<v Speaker 2>that place. I like John Rong, especially when the weather

1:17:51.800 --> 1:17:54.360
<v Speaker 2>can turn on a dime like it did in O

1:17:54.479 --> 1:18:00.000
<v Speaker 2>seven when I was there. Uh, let's see, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>you got faler gets off the schneid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it would be a good place for him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh, that'll be a soft, soft and slow golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And my my other choice after him was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be Rory because it is going to be soft

1:18:15.280 --> 1:18:18.080
<v Speaker 2>and slow, and Rory's won all his majors on soft,

1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:22.200
<v Speaker 2>slow golf courses. Yeah, so so I I but I

1:18:22.360 --> 1:18:24.000
<v Speaker 2>but I like I like Ricky to get off the

1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:27.000
<v Speaker 2>schneid there and and get the get get his get

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<v Speaker 2>his first major.

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<v Speaker 1>He's kind of hey, he's gotta he's got to get

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<v Speaker 1>one eventually.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's got to happen. I mean it, it'd

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<v Speaker 2>be it'd be a shame if it if it never did.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's got the talent to do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's got the game to do it. He's just got

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. Yeah, And I think Belle Reeve Is

1:18:42.200 --> 1:18:43.760
<v Speaker 2>is just as good as any place for him. But

1:18:43.800 --> 1:18:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I think it gives him an opportunity. The fairways are

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<v Speaker 2>a little wider, As you said, it's gonna play a

1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:51.360
<v Speaker 2>little softer, and so I think a lot. I think

1:18:51.400 --> 1:18:55.599
<v Speaker 2>the firm, fast, bouncy rollie stuff is is uh isn't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be there, and it's going to protect some

1:18:57.200 --> 1:19:00.680
<v Speaker 2>of maybe the occasional wild shot that he's bullet hitting well,

1:19:00.680 --> 1:19:03.479
<v Speaker 2>even though he's been very, very good with staying away

1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:06.479
<v Speaker 2>from big numbers of late, which has always been kind

1:19:06.479 --> 1:19:08.240
<v Speaker 2>of his Achilles heel in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for coming on. We really appreciate it. And what

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<v Speaker 1>do you got up next? For Golf Channel so our

1:19:16.200 --> 1:19:18.519
<v Speaker 1>listeners can tune in and catch you on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be with I'll be with the champions for guys

1:19:21.720 --> 1:19:25.599
<v Speaker 2>PJ Tour Champions Guys at Tucson this week. I leave

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<v Speaker 2>on Thursday morning for which will be tomorrow morning if

1:19:29.760 --> 1:19:35.519
<v Speaker 2>everybody's listening to it, Thursday morning with down there for

1:19:35.560 --> 1:19:38.640
<v Speaker 2>our production meeting, and then which is nicest about an

1:19:38.680 --> 1:19:40.799
<v Speaker 2>hour and a half drive or so for me from Phoenix,

1:19:41.320 --> 1:19:44.200
<v Speaker 2>and then I'll go the following week to Tshiba over

1:19:44.320 --> 1:19:47.360
<v Speaker 2>Newport Beach for the PGA Tour champions as well. So

1:19:47.680 --> 1:19:50.200
<v Speaker 2>next two weeks PGA tourch Champions. I like that tour.

1:19:50.240 --> 1:19:52.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of fun. Love working with Lanny and

1:19:52.760 --> 1:19:55.200
<v Speaker 2>John and John Cook and Billy Ray. They're just just

1:19:55.240 --> 1:19:58.000
<v Speaker 2>a great group of guys to work with and be around.

1:19:58.360 --> 1:20:02.040
<v Speaker 1>And Tucson and Newport Beach are too bad spots to

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<v Speaker 1>have to hang out at.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get great Mexican food one week and great seafood

1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:08.000
<v Speaker 2>the next week.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, thanks a lot for coming on again

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk soon.

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