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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: to fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bou Bishop

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Speaker 1: and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's you alive on a Friday edition of

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely bow back here in

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Speaker 2: God's Country, Northeast Ohio. Doctor Z is in Indie. How

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Speaker 2: are you living, buddy?

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Speaker 3: You know they call it the National Football League the

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Speaker 3: initials NFL.

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Speaker 4: Not for long in Indy, not for long.

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Speaker 3: Getting ready to uh make the trip back very very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Excited to get in the ride and uh and we'll

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Speaker 3: do it. But it's been at a week time here.

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Speaker 3: It really has been a good time here. I've really

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Speaker 3: really enjoyed. I think we've learned a lot. I think

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Speaker 3: we got, you know, the things out of this that

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Speaker 3: we wanted to get and uh, yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's been it's been great. It's been great. But ready

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Speaker 4: to get back.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that we that always happens at

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Speaker 2: the combine is consensus forms. So when you think of

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Speaker 2: the trends of this combine. And today was quarterback Day

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Speaker 2: and we'll you'll hear from Shador Sandage or hear from

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Speaker 2: cam Ward U. Both those guys had podium sessions. Neither

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Speaker 2: one is going to throw. Most of them aren't throwing,

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Speaker 2: honestly they are, by the way, Yeah, where's.

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Speaker 4: The outrage for cam Ward not throwing. I don't know,

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Speaker 4: there's none.

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Speaker 3: Top quarterbacks don't throw, but there's a lot of outrage

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Speaker 3: about Schador not throwing.

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Speaker 4: Outrage not as somebody said that.

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Speaker 2: Somebody said that this week. I can't remember which one

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Speaker 2: of the guests we had. It might have been Ryan

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Speaker 2: Wilson who said if his name, just if his last

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Speaker 2: name wasn't Sam Yep. You know, there's so much prejudice

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Speaker 2: with him just because of him and everything that kind

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Speaker 3: My dad's initial position was absolutely not. You don't want

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Speaker 3: the show and primetime and making music videos like the

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Speaker 3: great hit must be the money.

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Speaker 4: I was like that, Relax.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So when you think of the storylines of the week,

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Speaker 2: it obviously revolves mostly around quarterbacks, the ones that are there,

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Speaker 2: and then I think even the bigger picture stuff was

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Speaker 2: what has been swirling around Matt Stafford like that has

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Speaker 2: been that. And then how that free agent market, which

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Speaker 2: is going to be pretty robust or the trade market,

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Speaker 2: which could be pretty robust at quarterback, will set the

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Speaker 2: table for what could happen in the draft by the

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Speaker 2: time we get to April.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the Matt Stafford domino is the big one,

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Speaker 3: and it sounds like we might have a resolution on

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Speaker 2: A lot of reporting.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's meeting with the Rams in person today. He

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Speaker 3: apparently has offers from the Raiders and the Giants that

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Speaker 3: million dollars a year. I think it's like, what was

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Speaker 2: Between ninety and one hundred guaranteed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he's getting what he wants from a financial standpoint. Uh,

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Speaker 3: And then the question will be, you know, do the

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Speaker 3: Rams want to match that? And the two teams we mentioned,

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Speaker 3: the Raiders and the Giants are both teams that you know,

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Speaker 3: was no coincidence that Matt Stafford and Tom Brady were

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Speaker 3: to talk about the Frakis.

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Speaker 4: You and I.

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Speaker 2: I want to let's do that in a minute.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And there's it's interesting if you would have

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Speaker 3: But apparently the Giants maybe are trying to make a

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Speaker 3: to go from three to one, but that the target,

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Speaker 3: their target is Shador Sanders. Now there's also a belief,

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Speaker 3: and there's more talk than I've ever heard, and it

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Speaker 3: show and then it becomes people talk about it. But

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Speaker 3: Adam Schefter, and where's that SoundBite in the we have it?

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Speaker 3: Is that in this opening segment?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Play play play this for the Adam Chefter on take.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at bo Dude, I'm not looking at a rundown.

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Speaker 4: You have. You have two screens. I'm trying to I

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Speaker 4: don't know if you know this, but what I'm doing.

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Speaker 5: When he says not for long, I cannot express to you.

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Speaker 4: I was here at ten o'clock ready to go.

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Speaker 2: I got I got a text message him during my

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Speaker 2: morning duties.

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Speaker 3: Where producing the show? Your deals sounds tomahawks sucking radio shows.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean then you stopped feeding.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Man and I, by the way, you

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Speaker 3: need to accept it. G Man and I are a unit.

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Speaker 3: We are a function his team.

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Speaker 2: The ice with which man skates on is perpetually very

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Speaker 2: very thin, like not anymore.

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Speaker 3: Not anymore Man for man is skating it's feet the

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Speaker 4: Man is Man. A lot of people are a lot

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Speaker 4: of people are saying that it never been high.

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Speaker 2: So Schefter, what z is referring to is a conversation

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Speaker 2: Schefter had on part of my take about the Browns

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Speaker 2: at quarterback and two, uh, here is that sound about Cleveland?

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Speaker 2: What what can Cleveland do at the quarterback position?

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Speaker 6: To me, they have to draft to quarterback with their

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Speaker 6: And the Titans are still going through their process. They've

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Speaker 6: about we need to get through our process first, go

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Speaker 6: To me, I predicted it'll be a quarterback period. I

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Speaker 6: they're that final actually strapped with the Shaan Watson. There's

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Speaker 4: I really feel like we should have been cided.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, credits in there for two months literally, yes, But

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Speaker 3: for now Adam schefter to even mention the possibility of

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Speaker 4: I think that's newsworthy.

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Speaker 3: We talked to Field Yates yesterday and he we discussed

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Speaker 3: you know, Adam can be a tough interview because he

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Speaker 3: doesn't give opinions. No, he's just telling you what he's heard.

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Speaker 3: And his track record is speaks for itself. So I

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Speaker 2: He follows the show that I do in the morning,

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Speaker 2: he follows once a week on the show that follows me,

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Speaker 2: and he doubled down on it again with them yesterday

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Speaker 2: as well. Like you know, now he was quick to say,

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Speaker 2: like it just he kind of couched it as kind

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Speaker 2: should do no, no, no, never no. He says what

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Speaker 2: I mean, I thought you had a great question we

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Speaker 2: what did you learn, if anything from sixteen in regard

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Speaker 2: you asked that question, you have it was a great

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Speaker 2: close to the vest. But you and I have been

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Speaker 2: adamant about that this week, and we've been adamant about

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Speaker 2: it in the whole thing. This organization knows these two

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks as good as anybody anybody drafting. There may be

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Speaker 2: other connections around the league that have similar to the

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Speaker 2: ones that we have. I can't find him. But in

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And I think that that's why a

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Speaker 3: ken I will say this, These are not scores from us.

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Speaker 3: The last two months have not been scores.

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Speaker 4: I'm not. That is what I and basically.

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Speaker 3: What we what we want, we want and what we

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Speaker 3: I can tell you from being here that there are

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Speaker 3: vast majority, probably seventy five twenty five, that cam Ward

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Speaker 3: is the number one quarterback in this draft. There are

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Speaker 3: Sanders because when you think of what Kevin wants a

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Speaker 4: Theyate said hand in glove fit.

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Speaker 3: The talent of cam Ward creates a ceiling scenario that

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Speaker 3: many people are very good and listen, the guy I

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Speaker 3: respect more than anybody else in this field, and that's

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Speaker 3: Thinks that it's crazy that we're even talking about whether

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Speaker 3: or not cam Ward is worthy of the number one. Oh,

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Speaker 3: but he thinks that's a ludicrous The conversation doesn't need

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Speaker 3: the top quarterback in this draft. Not say that he

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Speaker 3: but I heard similar to this is that we throw

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Speaker 3: them one of our thirds this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And they're.

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Speaker 3: Like, cool, I still get It's basically like I have

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Speaker 3: the number one pick, yeah, and I just picked up

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Speaker 3: a free third round pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And furthermore, if you're a tight front office, they

446
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Speaker 2: got a brand new GM, all you got to do

447
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Speaker 2: is say we're open for business, and then right before

448
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Speaker 2: you make the deal call us and say, hey, can

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Speaker 2: you top it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, And the reality is if we want to, we.

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Speaker 3: Can, and I do think we have based on things

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Speaker 3: that I've observed. I won't get into any specifics on this,

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Speaker 3: but I think we have a pretty good relationship with

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Speaker 3: the Titans GM, and so I think that we're going

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Speaker 3: to have at least a reasonable opportunity to do what

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Speaker 3: we want and at least to have an idea of

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Speaker 3: what's happening.

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Speaker 2: There is I think I do think the Giants. Another

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Speaker 2: consensus that happened this week is the Giants are the

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Speaker 2: true wild card in this that there is a tremendous

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Speaker 2: sense of urgency for Joe shown. You saw that off

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Speaker 2: season Hard Knocks is going with the North Carolina tar Heels.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can't even believe that, and it's it's.

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Speaker 2: But you see why, because of what the camera's picked

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Speaker 2: up last I can't believe those guys are still employed.

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Speaker 4: That's what the camera's picked up. That's done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the fact that that stuff made it past.

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Speaker 2: Did somebody even stop it?

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Speaker 4: The edits?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was so obvious that that wasn't in.

472
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Speaker 3: I mean we knew that right away. You know, you

473
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Speaker 3: felt better about us because you knew that we were

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Speaker 3: there's one team. We're definitely we operate at a much

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Speaker 3: higher level then. Yeah, So now it's going to be

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Speaker 3: a matter of kind of deciphering that. I think that's

477
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Speaker 3: part of that, you know, the intelligence gathering while you're here.

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Speaker 3: If you're in on both quarterbacks.

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Speaker 4: Like truly, truly truly in on.

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Speaker 3: Both quarterbacks, were in the cat part seed, if you're

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Speaker 3: in on one quarterback, I think you just got to

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Speaker 3: make sure you get him. Yeah, we're not a third

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Speaker 3: round pick of fourth throw two, even a future whatever

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Speaker 3: it is. It doesn't matter if we get that guy

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Speaker 3: and we're right about it.

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Speaker 2: last five minutes, it is official Matt Stafford is staying

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Speaker 2: with the Los Angeles Rams. It started trending that way

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Speaker 2: last night, felt more and more certain this morning. I

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Speaker 2: think we've been pretty insistant all week. That seemed like

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Speaker 2: the no brainer. But now that domino has fallen, and

509
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Speaker 2: so the Giants can pursue potentially moving up to number

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Speaker 2: one or whatever their plan B is on this, and

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Speaker 2: the same would be true of the Raiders.

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Speaker 4: The bottom line is.

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Speaker 3: You now have three teams in the top six for

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Speaker 3: two quarterbacks, and so the it would have been very

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Speaker 3: nice had that domino fallen that ended with the Raiders

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Speaker 3: or the Giants. Yes, for the Browns. Now you're still again.

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Speaker 3: It goes back to it still in the cuppard. You're

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Speaker 3: still in the cuppard seat. But if you want one

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Speaker 3: of them, and I do think there is a difference.

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Speaker 3: I don't think. I think the price tag for the

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Speaker 3: Titans to move back to.

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Speaker 4: Six is greater. Is that they are not.

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Speaker 3: That is not akin to them still having the number one,

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Speaker 3: pick two or three probably is for them.

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Speaker 4: Six is not.

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Speaker 2: No, So.

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Speaker 3: Seven is not if the Jets decide that they're gonna

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Speaker 3: come make a big move.

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Speaker 4: So you're in the caffard seat. And I think.

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Speaker 3: If you're in on both of them, which you may be,

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Speaker 3: you may be, then you're golden. You don't have to

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Speaker 3: do anything. If it is one of them, that is

533
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Speaker 3: ten percent better in your mind, and you have more

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Speaker 3: belief in I don't want I want to be in

535
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Speaker 3: the driver's seat. I want it to be all on me.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be Ah, yeah, we really actually

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Speaker 3: we wanted this guy, and then Jared Goff twenty sixteen

538
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Speaker 3: happens again.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: And this this is another thing. And I'm not superstitious.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit stitious. This is a Rams quarterback,

542
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Speaker 3: Domino Titans, one Browns, two Rams are involved here. Yeah,

543
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Speaker 3: let's not have that again. Yes, let's not have that again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm with you and i I'm.

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Speaker 4: You know, you may.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing about these two. They're different enough that

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Speaker 2: I reject the notion that you would view them that

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Speaker 2: you'd like them both the same.

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Speaker 4: It's not likely.

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Speaker 2: No, Yeah, they're two very very different players. Yes, and

551
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 2: so you should have a consensus of thought on which

552
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: one you like more. Now you might be able to

553
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Speaker 2: win with both, might be one of those. We're thrilled

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Speaker 2: with either one of them. I can win with either

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Speaker 2: one of them. That's kind of the air, not in

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00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: regard to these two quarterbacks specifically, but the air that

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Speaker 2: we got from Kevin Sefanci a couple of days ago

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Speaker 2: when he's with us, was like I just felt better

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00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: coming out of it. It's like it felt like he had

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Speaker 2: some answers to the test with this offseason. So that

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Speaker 2: made me feel good, not necessarily about these two quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: but just in general. And so maybe there's a feeling

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Speaker 2: of like, hey, doesn't matter, we can win with either one.

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Speaker 2: I think we think they're both really good. But if

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Speaker 2: there is one you favor, and I'm with you, if

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Speaker 2: it's five percent, then go get the guy you like.

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Speaker 2: Five percent, more like, don't don't let that stop you. Yep,

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Speaker 2: so we had not have a chance. We're gonna get

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Speaker 2: to Shures and then we'll get cam in a minute.

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Speaker 2: Have you talked to anyone who had a first hand

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Speaker 2: account of the Schultz rapaport? Yes, yes, yes, I have

572
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Speaker 2: not seen Jordan Schultz in person.

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Speaker 4: Big guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, it would be.

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Speaker 4: I think the size discrepancy is this. It's he's like

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Speaker 4: six five.

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Speaker 3: It's the same as it would be like me and

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Speaker 3: Siciliano or okay in Siciliana.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is great.

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Speaker 3: I even took a picture there. It was like making

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Speaker 3: a pilgrimage to a historical site. I mean we walked by.

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Speaker 3: I must have missed it by less than fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: Did you really you were in where we walked that's

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Speaker 2: I know, we walk right through there, but like I

585
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Speaker 2: must about fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it got talked about on inside the NBA.

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Speaker 2: That was hilarious. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Shack was totally team Schultz. I

589
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: do think this should be turned into a pay per

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Speaker 3: view event. I know people are trying to make it

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Speaker 3: a pay per view event. I don't think it'll ever happen.

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Speaker 3: But I know you did not listen to the show,

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Speaker 3: you so you were quite busy. But yeah, I had

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Speaker 3: a good, a good one in the opening segment that

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Speaker 3: was that I enjoyed.

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Speaker 2: That I'll play, We'll make it new, give it to me.

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00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 4: Give it to you.

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Speaker 3: I said that The way that I saw that fight

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Speaker 3: going is that they would get in the squared circle

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Speaker 3: in the middle of it, Rapaport would pretend to get

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Speaker 3: a phone call from nobody, and the distraction, he'd get

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Speaker 3: knocked out.

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Speaker 4: That'd be it, and that'd be it.

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Speaker 2: It's just what struck me funny about it is it

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Speaker 2: is those guys that business is so ultra competitive, that

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Speaker 2: NFL newsbreaker or I mean, look what like with Shams

607
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: and Woj like what happened, how that it was like

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Speaker 2: his protege and then they kind of went at it,

609
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Speaker 2: And I think it's just so competitive in that business

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Speaker 2: and for to do what he did, like to go

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00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: at him, it was definitely a shot, is the way

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Speaker 2: I read it. It definitely a shot at Schultz's reporting and

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Speaker 2: almost a little bit about I mean, there's just no

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Speaker 2: question that's what it was. To lead to a confrontation

615
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Speaker 2: like that. It's just it, It just I just adore it.

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Speaker 3: Here's how I read it. Schultz's report was accurate. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: rap Aport and even Tom Pellisero to a degree. Whether

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Speaker 3: it was NFL, I don't know who was the one

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Speaker 3: that asked them to carry that water. Maybe it was

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Speaker 3: Brady's agent, who knows, but their goal was to minimize

621
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Speaker 3: the impact of an NFL owner and this that was happening.

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00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 3: That may have been somewhat out about it. Now he'd

623
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Speaker 3: been given permission to seek a trade. Yeah, but I

624
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Speaker 3: just think because it's Brady and because he's on TV

625
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Speaker 3: and now.

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Speaker 4: Schultz is a Fox guy, yes he is.

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Speaker 3: I just think that the way I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I have the right wording, but like

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Speaker 3: Pellot Sara's according to an Internet rumor or something like that,

630
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Speaker 3: which was so dismissive, and I think Schultz was probably

631
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: right and knew he was right, and so he was like,

632
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: don't try to Embarra like not cool.

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00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: No, And that's what led to it. Yeah, that's how

634
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: I read it. I have the same read as you.

635
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 2: That's the exact same read that that rap Aport. I

636
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: didn't see the Pelisaro stuff, but that rapaport and then

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00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: Pelisaro apparently that they were they were carrying water, as

638
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: you said, for Tom, for the NFL, for the Raiders

639
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: or somebody, all of it, and and that that was, like,

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00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: you know, was to undercut the reporting. Yes, and at

641
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Speaker 2: the behest of someone else.

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00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 4: And he took great umbrage to that.

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Speaker 2: And I don't blame him, nor do I, nor do I.

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Speaker 5: So the stafford Domino's falling. Yeah, and away we go

645
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 5: from Diana Russini the athletic. The New York Giants are

646
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Speaker 5: now shifting their interest to Aaron Rodgers. They've been discussing

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Speaker 5: it all week in Indie per sources.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's I said there. They felt like a

649
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Speaker 2: wild card to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they sure do.

651
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Speaker 2: I mean I could see that the pettiness of that

652
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Speaker 2: would be something. I feel like, he would really love.

653
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Speaker 3: To go to the Giants. Yeah, be in New York.

654
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: He'd bring Davante with him, so he'd have Davante and neighbors.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he didn't he didn't have to move, and

656
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Speaker 2: he shares the stadium with the team that said, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're not We're done with you. Yes, I think the

658
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: pettiness of that is kind of undefeated. Yes, I don't

659
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Speaker 2: know if that's the best situation. I mean, Neighbors is amazing.

660
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Speaker 2: I just think that's a snake pit of a division now,

661
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: and and I think the Giants are more than a

662
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: forty one year old quarterback away, which is why I

663
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: didn't think Stafford should go there.

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Speaker 3: Yep, Yeah, here we go, Gideo. This is going to

665
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Speaker 3: be interesting. And again we're in a we are in

666
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Speaker 3: a good, good spot. And I think would be great.

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Speaker 3: By the way, what that would be great?

668
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Speaker 4: By the way, Yes, Rogers going there would be incredible.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing. The Giants would have to give

670
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 2: anything to get him, So if they wanted to add

671
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: more weapons at number three, they could.

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Speaker 3: So in their scenario, you could go. If you could

673
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Speaker 3: look at it this way, you could say Titans Abdul

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Speaker 3: Carter Brown's, Cam ord Er Schaedoor, Giants Travis Hunter. Now

675
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Speaker 3: you got Rogers with Hunter and Neighbors. And that's exciting.

676
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: Davante and all that. Yeah. Yeah, So Domino's are falling

677
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Speaker 2: here quickly on a Friday afternoon around the league. The

678
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Speaker 2: first one that fell was was Stafford. I do think

679
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Speaker 2: I think it's curious how little has been talked about Darnold.

680
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Speaker 2: It's just been really quiet on that, on that all

681
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Speaker 2: week long. Shouldar Sanders had his availability today over in Indianapolis,

682
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna place some audio of his press session. Let's

683
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: start with Shador on his mental abilities.

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Speaker 8: No, it's extremely important to keep your mental in the

685
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 8: best place because that's where my game is played. My

686
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 8: game's not playing from my legs and not even just

687
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 8: my arm. So I know longevity the all time greats.

688
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 8: What is Tom Brady best trade his mental He's able

689
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 8: to think. So if you have those traits of greatness

690
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 8: and I know where I'm heading, then why win the franchise?

691
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Speaker 7: Pick me?

692
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 8: You got the ultimate tea code.

693
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: He doesn't lack confidence here. Sure on the idea of

694
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: turning around a franchise.

695
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 8: I've been through six different OC's, you know, so I'm

696
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 8: able to adjust to any office in every scheme and

697
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 8: make it work. We went from Jackson State to Colorado

698
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 8: and change two programs back to back. So you don't

699
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 8: think I could come to the NFL franchise and change

700
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 8: the program again. It's history. We've done it again. It's

701
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 8: always gonna repeat itself. That's the plan. If that's not

702
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 8: what you're trying to do. Don't get me. If you

703
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 8: ain't trying to change the franchise or the coaches, don't

704
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 8: give me. So you should know history repeats itself over

705
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 8: and over and over, and I've done it over and

706
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 8: over and over.

707
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Speaker 4: So it should be.

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Speaker 8: No question why NFL franchise Shuit Pig.

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Speaker 2: You got a little bacon him. I like that, Yeah,

710
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: Bay kind of combine session like that.

711
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do it. I'm not afraid and he's not afraid.

712
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: That was one thing that wasn't Charles Davis that said

713
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: just when you're around the confidence, you know, you want

714
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: to see the confidence and the guys on the field,

715
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 3: and you certainly with.

716
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 4: Shador you you get that.

717
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: You see his calmness, his confidence, and then you know

718
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 3: the tape would tell you is a guy who plays

719
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Speaker 3: honestly his best football in the biggest moments. So that's

720
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: in many ways that's the job in the NFL. Like

721
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: last year Mahomes with the Chiefs, they weren't greatful when

722
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: they needed it, they got it done.

723
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Speaker 4: Now they got boat raced in the Super Bowl.

724
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Speaker 3: But I can tell you that every Eagles fan in

725
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: the world had that game been different and say they

726
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 3: were up six and Mahomes got the ball back with

727
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: two minutes left, they would be yeah, not feeling great

728
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: about what was to come.

729
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: No full on panic mode. Uh sh has critics, lots

730
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 2: of them. When you were as famous as he is,

731
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: and especially as famous as his dad is, that's gonna

732
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: come here, should on those critics.

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Speaker 8: You think I'm worry about what critics saying. What people

734
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 8: got to say. You know who my dad is. They

735
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 8: hated on him too, So it's like it's almost normal

736
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Speaker 8: without people hating. It's not normal for us. So we

737
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Speaker 8: like the adversity. We like everything that comes with the name.

738
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Speaker 8: That's why we are who we are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. That's become kind of it's become kind

740
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: of a trope. I saw Lebron had a comment last

741
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 2: night about that about Anthony Edwards not wanting to be

742
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: faced of the league and kind of like, I don't

743
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: blame him. I didn't want it, but I felt like

744
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: I had to all of these things. Like you and

745
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: I are of an old enough age and I'm not

746
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 2: going to pretend that I was, you know, Chris Mortenson

747
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: in those days and that I was paying attention to

748
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: every single rumor around the NFL. I don't remember anybody

749
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: hating on Dion Sanders other than Tim McCarver because he

750
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: played a World Series game in a football game in

751
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 2: the same day and Deon poured ice water on him.

752
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 2: Can you think of one criticism of Deon Sanders as

753
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 2: a player. I feel like he was universally beloved.

754
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: It didn't tackle. That was like Chuck bedn Erick listen,

755
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 4: it was they didn't get paid to tackle? Is Deon said?

756
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: I didn't get they're not paying me to tackle?

757
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: Oh there was no credit. I mean, he was just

758
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: like universally lauded. Is the best corner of a generation.

759
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: But yet when you're that way, you find things to motivate.

760
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 4: Deon starts in the game, the Ultimate Game.

761
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: He's one of the corners.

762
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: Any might even be a kick returner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably would be. Here's shador On if

764
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 2: he wants to be picked number one.

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Speaker 8: The number where you go don't matter, Like I say,

766
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Speaker 8: and this, I reference Tom Brady because he was the

767
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 8: best of the best in all categories. He ain't go first.

768
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 8: So the number, the number again big, don't matter. I

769
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Speaker 8: wasn't the top rated quarterback coming out of high school.

770
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Speaker 8: Because it's a lot of exterior things that people like

771
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 8: and they don't like about me, and I'm realistic, you know,

772
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 8: and I'm realistic by my family and everything that people say.

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Speaker 4: It comes with.

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00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been now. The one thing I will say

775
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: is he's right. He did turn around Jackson State, he

776
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 2: did turn around Colorado. Both of those spots, Colorado especially

777
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: was that's a very tough thing what they did in

778
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: two years to get them to respectability and Bowl eligibility

779
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: and really on the cusp of playing for the Big

780
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: Twelve championship with a couple of weeks left to go

781
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 2: in the season. I mean, that was a bad, bad job.

782
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 2: But the other part of that equation is he has

783
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: the circumstances that he finds him in have also also

784
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: been curated by his dad, and so they've delivered on

785
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 2: all of those things. But they have been situations where

786
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: he has been put in the best possible position. I

787
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 2: was interesting to hear that he'd been to six different coordinators.

788
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: I know they switched in the middle of the road

789
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: as freshman season at Colorado. I want to say his

790
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: name was Sean Lewis, who I want to say was

791
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: at Kent and then went very excited about this. Yes,

792
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: so he was hired out there to be the OC

793
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,959
Speaker 2: and then they switched to Pat like in the middle

794
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Speaker 2: of the season. So I know that he had the

795
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Speaker 2: two at Colorado. I was unaware that all of those

796
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: coordinators at Jackson State too.

797
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'd say the most recent one, as we

798
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: talked about you talked about the Browns are gonna know

799
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: better than anybody is someone that is very close with

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Speaker 3: our head coach.

801
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: Pat She so absolutely yeah, people.

802
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 3: Paid it and even though it didn't work out for he

803
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: was the assistant coach of the Year that year when

804
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: he was the OC, Kevin's the quarterback coach, and then

805
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: that's how he got the head coach job with the Giants.

806
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So he's had a lot of NFL eyes

807
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: around him and minds around him, and you see it.

808
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: I mean, he's he's a very very confident kid. Cam

809
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: Woarre doesn't lack for confidence either. I think z is

810
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: spot on with his seventy five percent number. It seeals

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Speaker 2: like seventy five percent of the people over there preferred

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Speaker 2: Cam two should orb. But of course it's in the

813
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Speaker 2: eye of the beholder. Cam had his press availability this

814
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Speaker 2: morning as well. We will have some of that for

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Speaker 2: Shudear Sanders. We heard from him and his media availability.

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Speaker 2: Now let's hear from cam Ward, the not consensus but

828
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 2: the presumptive top rated quarterback in this NFL draft. Here

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Speaker 2: is cam Ward on his meeting with the Browns.

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Speaker 9: It went real good, being able to meet meet with

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Speaker 9: the GM, finally meet the quarterbacks coach in Farsi. The

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Speaker 9: OC as well, they do an unbelievable job of office

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00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 9: getting people ope me they got an unbelievable office line.

834
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Speaker 9: Jerry Judy is one of the best receivers in the league.

835
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Speaker 9: So no, you know, if I'm hoping to go there,

836
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Speaker 9: I know work out good.

837
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: Here is cam Ward on his best trait.

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00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 9: I think my best trade is winning from the pocket,

839
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Speaker 9: and I got better at that over my years around college.

840
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 9: And at the end of the day, it's a quarterback.

841
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 9: You can't rely on scramble drill and you know, having

842
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 9: to win out of structure because you can't win in

843
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 9: the pocket, you can never be successful.

844
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Speaker 2: Here's cam Ward on what he wants teams to know

845
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: about him.

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00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 9: That I'm willing to do anything, you know, to takes

847
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 9: to win the football game, whether it's be a gun

848
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 9: slinger all day or you don't have to hear the

849
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 9: ball out a couple of times. So you know, at

850
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 9: the end of the day, I know what type of

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00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 9: player I am. The team should know what type player

852
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 9: they getting in me, and so you know, I'm just

853
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 9: going out there and try to do my best for

854
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 9: myself and my future teammates.

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00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: And finally, what sets him apart.

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Speaker 9: The tape says everything I believe, and I'm honest to that,

857
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 9: but I think just what separates me from everybody is

858
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 9: the way I approach it, the mindset that I have

859
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 9: going into the field each and every game, and I

860
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 9: mean coming from you know, my journey. Now a lot

861
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 9: of people can do that, and so I just think

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00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 9: it shows, you know, the work that I'm willing to

863
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 9: put in. Whether I go first round or second round

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Speaker 9: at the end of the day at draft, peed don't

865
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Speaker 9: mean nothing. It's all about, you know, establishing yourself once

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Speaker 9: you get the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: You know, it strikes me about this and what made

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00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: it pop into my head right now, But I don't

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00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: think we've ever known more about prospects starting all the

870
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: way back fourteen fifteen years old, all the way through

871
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: high school through college. I mean, the hit rate on

872
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: quarterbacks who are rated high in high school in college

873
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: has become pretty dang good. Most of them are hits

874
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: and most of the time it works very very well.

875
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: Cam Ward and Shadoor Sanders have very little in common

876
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: in both style of play upbringing road to the NFL.

877
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: But one thing they absolutely have in common is neither

878
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: one of these guys was Quinn yours and Queen Ewers

879
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: is there. He talked today and he's going to throw

880
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: at the combine. Quin Ewrers was viewed coming out of

881
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: high school as a perfect prospect. He was a thousand,

882
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: a perfect one thousand prospect on the twenty four to

883
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: seven recruiting sites. These two guys worked their tails off

884
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: to get to this point and took Rhodes. Not that

885
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: Quinn didn't, not saying that he didn't, just saying that

886
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: they took roads that are kind of abnormal for the

887
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: number one pick in the draft.

888
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, in recent years especially, it's very interesting is the

889
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: last time it kind of came out of you know,

890
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: a year before and his road obviously or maybe actually

891
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 3: a college football Nate does not know. But like Kyler

892
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: Murray was not even thought of as a potential number

893
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 3: one pick the year before he was the number one pick.

894
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: No, but he was the number one quarterback in high

895
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: school coming out wasn't Okay. So he went to Texas

896
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 2: A and M and then transferred to Oklahoma. I just

897
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: think people thought he would play another year at Oklahoma, Okay.

898
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody thought he would come up. The

899
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: most similar to this is probably Burrow. Burrow was a

900
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: The only major Division one offer Burrow had was Ohio State.

901
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: And that's just because Tom Herman, the athletic or the

902
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: off its coordinator at the time, went and saw him

903
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: play in person and Athens and cal Durban. Myyron said,

904
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 2: I got your next Alex Smith and and but even

905
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: there's some similarities between Shadur and Burrow, and I've heard

906
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 2: those conversation those comparisons this week in terms of style

907
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 2: of play, yep. But much more similar to Cam was

908
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: Burrow that coming out of after his last his second

909
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: to last season at LSU, nobody would have thought that

910
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: he was going to go number one overall. I mean

911
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: that was a justin herbert to a tongue of my

912
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: low U flip a coin. Those are the presumptive guys.

913
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: And both those guys went in the top ten. But

914
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 2: but Burrow wasn't considered, I mean, his final season, that's

915
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 2: when it went nuts. And so there's some cam parallels there.

916
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: While there's some stylistic similarities to Shudour.

917
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I'll tell you I like both of them

918
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: from the podium standpoint, Yeah, I like cam Ward is

919
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: just feels kind of like a no nonsense, yes, like

920
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 3: just cold blooded competitor, which.

921
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: He's an option quarterback. Out of high school who goes

922
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 2: to Incarnate Word and then Washington State before heading to Miami.

923
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 2: I mean, that is an a typical path as you're

924
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: gonna find it completely.

925
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 3: Another thing that I would say a lot of people

926
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,959
Speaker 3: have talked about is how quickly his ability at each

927
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 3: stop to make a rapid ascent, rapid massive improvement. Yeah,

928
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 3: people really like that, and you know, you project that

929
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: he can continue this assent that you're talking about somebody

930
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 3: with a tremendous amount of gifts and maybe you know,

931
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: because of that background, you're getting somebody that once he

932
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Speaker 3: becomes a master of the position, could be.

933
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 4: Great.

934
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no, yeah, it's it's it's just really cool.

935
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: Because they both have come from such different circumstances, they're

936
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: very very different players. The one thing you feel coming

937
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: out of this week is you can win with both

938
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Speaker 2: of them. But as we've said, you have a feeling

939
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: that you're gonna know that this organization knows that they

940
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 2: lean one way or the other, and making sure you

941
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: get the guy you want is job one. I would

942
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 2: say of the next couple of weeks.

943
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Speaker 4: Couldn't agree more, could not agree more.

944
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,040
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for the time. Let's just start

961
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Speaker 2: with the news of the last hour. Matthew Stafford back

962
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: to the Rams. It looks like reportedly the Giants are

963
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: considering the Aaron Rodgers World. What are you hearing and

964
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: what do you make of those two big events in

965
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: the last hour.

966
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 10: So well, Stafford was the domino, the head to fall,

967
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 10: and of course he had interests from several teams. The

968
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 10: Giants were willing to put boatloads of money in front

969
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 10: of him, but he wasn't really interested in them. There

970
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 10: are a couple other teams that called, but really it

971
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 10: was down to do I take the Raiders off or

972
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 10: do I take the Rams? And things were trending the

973
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 10: Raiders way over the last couple of days, and the

974
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 10: Rams finally, you know, the cooler heads. I think it

975
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 10: finally got the better themselves. They set a meeting for

976
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 10: six thirty this morning and they hashed it out with

977
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 10: Stafford and they're gonna get that done.

978
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 3: Ben, you post tweeted yesterday about the Giants and potentially

979
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: a trade up to number one. They were going for Stafford.

980
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 3: Now we hear a report, I think it was Diana

981
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 3: Russini said that now they are gonna pursue Aaron Rodgers.

982
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 3: Let's just take that part of it out of it. Actually, first,

983
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: are you surprised about that report?

984
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 10: No? And in fact, I'll say this, if they hate

985
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 10: if the Giants had gotten Stafford or if they get Rogers.

986
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 10: I don't think it precludes them from trading to one

987
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 10: to get a quarterback at all. Either one of those

988
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 10: two guys, you were getting a two year rental at best,

989
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 10: or are getting a two year rental at best, And

990
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 10: so in that particular situation, I would not be I

991
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 10: don't think that takes the trade to one off the table.

992
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: So that being said, you tweeted about a potential Giant

993
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 3: trade with Titanic implications. Who do you think that the

994
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 3: Giants trade to one? You know, who have you heard

995
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 3: or what is your belief that that trade would be

996
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 3: to acquire what player?

997
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 10: Well, it could be either one. It would be the quarterbacks.

998
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 10: And the idea is to put yourself in the driver's

999
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 10: seat and then continue this scouting process so you're in

1000
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 10: the driver's seat to be able to get you know,

1001
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 10: whichever one ultimately settle on. They've spent a lot of

1002
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 10: time scouting Shadoor Sanders. They were out in Colorado for

1003
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 10: every game this year. I can personally attest to that,

1004
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 10: So you know, I know they have interests here. I

1005
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 10: know they're interest in both. The question is you know

1006
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 10: what you ultimately said al On and this is kind

1007
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 10: of the time where you really get to know these

1008
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 10: guys and and kind of finalize that. And I think

1009
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 10: they just want to be in the driver's seat. I

1010
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 10: think they know that they have to get the quarterback,

1011
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 10: they have to get that situation right, and I think

1012
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 10: they can to take multiple swings at it uh here

1013
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 10: to try to accomplish that.

1014
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: So that being said, you're the Browns at two. I

1015
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: think the Browns very much would want to control their

1016
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: destiny and control the board as well. Now I'm saying

1017
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 3: I think the Browns that at number two want to

1018
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 3: control their board and get the quarterback that they want.

1019
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: So if you have a situation where the Browns and

1020
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,399
Speaker 3: the Giants both want to try to get up to one,

1021
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 3: that does create a little bit of a bidding war.

1022
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: But what do you think that compensation? We just lost them.

1023
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: He's at the Denver Airport, so well, I'll tell you

1024
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: what plenty of he gave us news in a very

1025
00:49:58,719 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: brief period of time.

1026
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: They're in the Denver so we appreciate that.

1027
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: And to me, the news is Rogers Stafford would not

1028
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: have precluded the Giants from going to one to get

1029
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: a quarterback.

1030
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm not one to Ben is well sourced and absolutely

1031
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: locked into it. That would be so surprising to me

1032
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: because if you were drafted, if you were getting Aaron Rodgers,

1033
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: or especially if you're getting Matthew Stafford, Matthew Stafford's at

1034
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: least a three year window, you'd be looking at it

1035
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: that way. And if you're acquiring a thirty seven in

1036
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: the case of Aaron Rodgers, a forty one year old quarterback.

1037
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 4: That's different to me. Rogers and Stafford are different to me.

1038
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: But here's what I here's why. I don't think it's

1039
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: I think they are different to your point, but I

1040
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 2: also think the spirit of it isn't different. I don't

1041
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: know that Aaron Rodgers is going to mentor anybody so

1042
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: fair that. That's the part that's interesting to me is

1043
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: if it is if Rogers goes Giants, would you want

1044
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: to put Shadoor or cam in a situation where they're

1045
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: in the same quarterback room as Rogers and the you know,

1046
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: here's the deal. I know aj Hawk really really well.

1047
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 2: He loves Rogers, loves him. And we heard from Aaron

1048
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: glenn ear earlier in this week that when they told

1049
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: them that they weren't bringing Rogers back, like there were

1050
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 2: a lot of people upset about it in the room.

1051
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 2: So there is a public perception of him that's maybe

1052
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: different from the in the room perception. But the idea

1053
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: of going up to get a quarterback at one and

1054
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: I think we have been back, that would be a

1055
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 2: real personality test on Rogers that you that'd be a

1056
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: big gamble. I would think, Ben, Yeah.

1057
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 10: I mean sorry about the connection there.

1058
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 4: Oh you're good.

1059
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 10: I don't think. I don't think you know, one of

1060
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 10: those guys are there. I don't think that this is

1061
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 10: a mentorship situation. I think it's about a stop gap

1062
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 10: for now and then growing the young quarterbacks, you know,

1063
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 10: with their coaches. I don't think that there's a mentorship

1064
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 10: component to this. I just think both these teams recognize, hey,

1065
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 10: look we got to take swings at the quarterback or

1066
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 10: we're all getting fired. And so I think that there's

1067
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 10: I don't want to call it desperation, but it kind

1068
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 10: of is where you just look, we're going to put

1069
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 10: as many bullets in the chain we can and see

1070
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 10: what fires.

1071
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: And by the way, when you think about just Aaron Rodgers'

1072
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 3: history himself, you know he was in a quarterback room

1073
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: with Brett farre who was not thrilled that he was there,

1074
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 3: And when he was with the Packers, they drafted Jordan

1075
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 3: Love and he wasn't thrilled. But I would say in

1076
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 3: both cases, for the Packers, they're happy with the way

1077
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: both of those things turned out. So I do think

1078
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 3: that one is interesting. I felt like Ben as we

1079
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,479
Speaker 3: were here for the week and going around and talking

1080
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: to people that not everybody because I did run into

1081
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 3: people that had Shador's QB one that most people are

1082
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 3: of the opinion that cam Ward is that top quarterback,

1083
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: and some people think there's a bigger separation between the

1084
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 3: two than others.

1085
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 4: If that's the case.

1086
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 3: Going back to what we're talking about with the Browns,

1087
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 3: you know, what do you think the compensation to go

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Speaker 3: to one is if you're the Browns at two or

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00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: the Giants at three? Because in reality, couldn't mean for

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00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 3: the Titans the same thing, right, they still get Abdull

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00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 3: Carter and they pick up some type of an asset.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't think it's a whole heck of a lot.

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00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 10: I mean for the Titans, I just think you're just

1094
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 10: trying to make more me on this because you know

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00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 10: there the Titans. You do want add though, Carter, right,

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00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 10: So I think if you're I think if you're in

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00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 10: that position, I think you'll take what you can get. Now,

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00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 10: if you get the Browns convincing the Giants that that

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00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 10: they're on a quarterback and they're on specifically the one

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00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 10: that the Giants favor, then all of a sudden, you

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00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 10: know that that moved up and Titans can extort him

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00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 10: for a little bit more. I don't think it's that much.

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00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 10: I mean, you go back and look at the UH,

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00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 10: the cost with the Bears paid to move up with

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00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 10: the Niners, and that's that's pretty much the starting point

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00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 10: for for Mitch Trubisky.

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00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: Ben you have the UH, the idea, the fact that

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00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 2: you do your show out of Denver, you're in close

1109
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: proximity to Boulder in the University of Colorado. It was

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00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: a two year run for Shador and his dad, Dion

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00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: and the brother as well. You would have a pretty

1112
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: intimate knowledge of what you're getting. If you draft Shador Sanders,

1113
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: what is your view of him?

1114
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 10: Why you're getting a high football like you guys, and

1115
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 10: he's smart? Does he He doesn't have what you'd call

1116
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 10: elite quarterback tools. He's not elite bobile, but he's quick

1117
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 10: enough to buy time. But he's smart and he throws

1118
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 10: the anticipation doesn't have the biggest arm. I think, you know,

1119
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 10: there are comparisons out there to Teddy Bridgewater before the injury.

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Speaker 10: I think that's probably the fairest comparison out there.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 10: I think a lot of people, unfortunately think of Teddy

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Speaker 10: after the injury, But Teddy before the injury is probably

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00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 10: the fairest comparison of what it is that you're getting.

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Speaker 2: What about off the field? What? What? What was that

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00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: like in Boulder?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean you don't have to worry about him

1128
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 10: getting money and going crazy. He's from money, you know,

1129
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 10: he came up that way. He's had the nil deals. Yeah,

1130
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 10: he's got other his fingers and other pies. He's got

1131
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 10: you know, other endeavors, the rap stuff and all that.

1132
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 10: But you know, I don't think any of it's a

1133
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 10: distraction or a problem.

1134
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 5: He is.

1135
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 10: You know, you have to know you're getting a brand,

1136
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 10: not just a player, you know. But at the same time,

1137
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 10: I don't think it's gonna be anything. It's gonna be.

1138
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 3: Troublesome, interesting, and what are you kind of from those standpoints,

1139
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 3: what's your take on maybe what you've heard more he's

1140
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: not obviously in Colorado, but what you've heard about cam

1141
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:02,360
Speaker 3: Ward from that, from those standpoint it's from personality and leadership.

1142
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 10: Well, yeah, you're getting a different that's a little bit different.

1143
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 10: You know, he's the guys it's come up the old

1144
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 10: more of the old fashioned way, and you know it's

1145
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 10: it's you know, schaduer is the guy who's getting mentored

1146
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 10: by Tom Brady early on. You know, Cam didn't have

1147
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 10: those same benefits. A little bit different there, You're getting

1148
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 10: a guy that's a little more grounded. I think, probably

1149
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 10: a little bit more relatable in the locker room, if

1150
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 10: that makes sense, Not that I think it should or

1151
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 10: can't leave you or be relatable, but you know, he

1152
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 10: just comes from a different world. And so you know,

1153
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 10: I think with Cam you're getting somebody that's probably got

1154
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 10: broader appeals.

1155
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: Been big picture quarterback. Now we got the Stafford Domino

1156
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 2: that's going to fall. We have the reports of Rogers,

1157
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 2: potentially the Giants. Focus could go there with Aaron Rodgers,

1158
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: but there's a bunch of other ones, whether it's Russ

1159
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 2: or Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold is obviously a big one

1160
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: out there. What do you think kind of the timeline

1161
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 2: is on all of those other quarterback decisions. We heard

1162
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: general managers say Derek Carr's coming back, Cousins coming back,

1163
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 2: But you take people for about a grain of assault

1164
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: when they're talking at the combine. What do you make

1165
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: of the rest of that quarter Domino's and which one

1166
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: do you think falls first?

1167
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 10: Well, I'm not sure either one of those are coming back,

1168
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 10: despite reports. I mean, fiscally, you look at the Saints,

1169
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 10: I'm not even sure it's feasible to do that. So,

1170
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 10: you know, we'll kind of see how those things play out.

1171
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 10: The Sam Darnold thing is gonna be interesting. I think

1172
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 10: the Raiders are going to kind of pivot that direction,

1173
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 10: and then Eyeball a draft pick as well. You know,

1174
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 10: you've got the Titans that are looking around. Pittsburgh's got

1175
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 10: to figure out their situation. They've got contracts in front

1176
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 10: of their guys, but they're kind of, you know, low

1177
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 10: ball offers. So I think you'll see one of those

1178
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 10: fall next, and everything we'll really kind of fall in

1179
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 10: the next couple of weeks. The car and Cousins situations

1180
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 10: can be protracted because they have them under contract. But

1181
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 10: I expect that that carousel to dignite pretty quick.

1182
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 2: Ben, you're the best, buddy. Thanks for joining us for

1183
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: second at in transit. We greatly appreciate you, pal.

1184
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 10: Yeah, guys, take care all right.

1185
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: There, he is Benjamin Albright, koa radio out of Denver,

1186
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,080
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1188
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 2: So you've done it.

1189
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Speaker 4: We've done it.

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Speaker 3: And I can tell you, just as I was milling

1191
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 3: around here in our in our stack talk to a

1192
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 3: few people, there are varying opinions on the podium sessions

1193
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: today in terms of what people heard and how they heard.

1194
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: What they heard about these two quarterbacks.

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00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's in the ear of the beholder, if

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00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: you will, Yes, it is in the ear of the beholder.

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00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: Very yeah, you hear what you want on these things.

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00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: I think, and this is one thing that I think

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Speaker 2: we're in for. And I think today really kicked it

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00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: off with the Stafford deal getting done and then this

1201
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: reporting of Rogers with the giants. I think there's going

1202
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: to be some some This is going to be a

1203
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: very busy two weeks leading into the free agency in

1204
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.

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00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: Yes, well, and because I'm going on vacation at guarantees

1206
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: something will happen wild on Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday, so

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Speaker 3: I'm planning on I am prepared to call in from

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00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 3: from uh Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 2: We've had it's been a track record is pretty good.

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00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,959
Speaker 2: It's unreal if you're out of the state of Ohio. Book,

1211
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 2: we're doing something big. It just has happened every single time,

1212
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: every time. So I'm ready, So buckle up, Buckle up,

1213
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 2: Browns Nation. Yeah, I want you to as you're on

1214
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: your as you're on your drive eastbound and down and

1215
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: you're about I don't know, probably about five miles outside

1216
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: of the Ohio state line, I want you to pay

1217
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: very close attention to the road signs and the juxtaposition

1218
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: of several attractions that are at the border of Ohio Indiana.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure I can already I have a sense of

1220
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 3: what you're talking about, but I thinks it might be

1221
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 3: very diametrically opposed.

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00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 4: Yes, I can't wait. I can't wait.

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00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: Mar On that note, I'm gonna I want to see

1224
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: this sooner, so I'm gonna.

1225
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you this. The other thing I think

1226
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: you're really going to enjoy is that two days ago

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00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: they change the speed limit to fifty five all the

1228
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 2: way through. You know, you can't hit seventy miles an

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00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: hour for about thirty miles.

1230
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 4: Out of town. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's always four case.

1231
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it just changed two days ago. It's even further.

1232
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 4: It's even work.

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00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: I went, Yeah, I when I drove on Wednesday, I

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00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: probably went. I went I would say between fifteen and

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Speaker 2: fifteen and twenty five miles somewhere in there where I

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00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: did not reach a maximum speed of more than fifty

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00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: seven miles an hour.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, so good luck, thank you. I'm not

1239
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 3: excited about that that. I don't like that. I don't

1240
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: like safe travels. That I had a great time here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Thanks everybody. Everybody did a great job.

1242
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 3: Gibbe g Man, doctor Jake All first, Yeah, everybody did

1243
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Speaker 3: a great job. It was a I think might have

1244
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Speaker 3: been one of my favorite combines ever, to be honest with.

1245
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Speaker 2: You, other than the uncooked meats said, I hate to

1246
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: see it. All right, I'll let's treat it with respect.

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Speaker 2: our conversation with Dane Brugler. One of the real treats

1258
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Speaker 2: of coming to the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis.

1259
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Speaker 2: To seeing our old buddy Dane Brugler every year warms

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Speaker 2: the heart. Smile on the face, buddy, one of our

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Speaker 2: all time favorites. It's great seeing you. Let's for where

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Speaker 2: you are in your process with the beast. Where are

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Speaker 2: you right now? And what if anything do you take

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Speaker 2: from this week?

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Speaker 7: This week is a big cross checking exercise. You know,

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01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 7: it is a chance to okay the all the haze

1267
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 7: in the barn all the work's been done, tape's been watched. Now, okay,

1268
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Speaker 7: let's see them back it up here at the combine.

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01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 7: So that's everything from the on field stuff. See how

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 7: they move in space, the drills, forty yard dash, the

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01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 7: position specific drills, you know, the gauntlet for receivers, the

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Speaker 7: wave drill for offensive lineman, defensive lineman. Just to see

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Speaker 7: the way they move in space. And it's great here

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01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 7: because it's what's different from the pro day is everybody's

1275
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 7: here doing it in repetition, so you have an immediate

1276
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 7: frame of reference. Yeah, if one guy does it really

1277
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 7: well or really poorly, then okay, compare that to the

1278
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 7: next guy and the next guy. And so just that

1279
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 7: repetition and frame of reference is really helpful. And so yeah,

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01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 7: for me, it's just one big cross checking exercise. If

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01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 7: something doesn't match up with what the tape says, all right,

1282
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 7: we got to go back to do more homework, figure out,

1283
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 7: all right, what are we missing? Maybe Obviously the biggest

1284
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 7: part of this the medicals, the interviews. For me, it's

1285
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 7: a chance to have talked with most of these players

1286
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 7: at this point, but fill in some gaps, you know,

1287
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 7: just try to you know, that's What the Beast is

1288
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 7: all about, right, is all the details and background stuff,

1289
01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 7: and so trying to get as much of those little

1290
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 7: uh gets in there as possible is something that really

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Speaker 7: important to me.

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Speaker 3: Most interesting fact about a player that you've come across

1293
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 3: for this year's Beast.

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Speaker 7: Trey Harris, the receiver for Ole Miss, was my Melik

1295
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Speaker 7: neighbors quarterback in high school. So they go back and

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Speaker 7: actually Trey Harris was he was gonna focus on basketball.

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Speaker 7: He was gonna I'm a basketball player. Now he's an athlete. Yeah, absolutely,

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01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 7: But it was Mylak neighbors that said, hey, man, I

1299
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 7: need a quarterback. Like I know I'm good, but if

1300
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 7: I'm a quarterback, to get it to me. And so

1301
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 7: he kind of talked Trey to come back to the team,

1302
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 7: and uh yeah, he was his quarterback through the remainder

1303
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 7: and then he made later at Louisiana Tech, Trey Harris

1304
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 7: made the switch to receiver and then at Old Miss,

1305
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 7: and so say, it's worked out pretty good for both

1306
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 7: of them.

1307
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 3: Where is he in the in the in the board?

1308
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: Is he He's a.

1309
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 7: Top seventy five guy like I like him a lot.

1310
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 7: I mean, he's not a burner He's not just gonna

1311
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 7: run by guys, but day two he'll be somewhere on

1312
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 7: day two maybe. And this is it's a weird receiver

1313
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 7: class where it's in most years, I feel like we're saying,

1314
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 7: all right, you know, what's the strength of the draft,

1315
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 7: of the receivers, the corners, of the athletes. It feels

1316
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 7: like we have so many of those guys this year.

1317
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 7: It's kind of the opposite where defensive line is the

1318
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 7: strength and receiver and corner is a little bit lighter.

1319
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 7: And so because of that, I want to be surprised

1320
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 7: if Trey Harris goes top forty, you know, even higher,

1321
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 7: just because teams want guys that can affect a scoreboard

1322
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 7: and they want absolutely look at last year, I mean,

1323
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 7: I got I think he might be probably better than

1324
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 7: a guy like Jaalen Polk, and Jalen Polk went in top

1325
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 7: forty last year, and so if teams are really reaching

1326
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 7: for receiver help, won't be surprised at all if Harris

1327
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 7: goes pretty early.

1328
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 2: I do this saying I don't. I don't. I very

1329
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 2: rarely listened to other sports talk radio because I don't

1330
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: want something to get into my head. Even if it's

1331
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: not something that's that that is intentional, but sometimes things

1332
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: slip in. Do you have that here where you don't

1333
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: where you are in your convictions and and you don't

1334
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: kind of want to hear what other draft analysts have

1335
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 2: to say.

1336
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 4: I mean, it was breaking bread with Greg last night

1337
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 4: because you it's your.

1338
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 7: Conviction right well, and I'm not arrogant enough to think

1339
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 7: that I have all the answers. So you know, there's

1340
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 7: a handful of people that I trust in the media

1341
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 7: side that I will compare notes with, Greg Wassel being

1342
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 7: one of them. DJ and Daniel Jeremiah is one of them.

1343
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 7: Lancer Line I talked to quite a bit, you know,

1344
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 7: just texting back and forth, trading notes like, Hey, what

1345
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 7: did you see this with this guy? Am I missing

1346
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 7: something like? So there's a I can count them on

1347
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 7: one hand number of people that I do that with.

1348
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 7: But really it's more with scouts because I know, you know,

1349
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 7: they they've got so much on the line with these

1350
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 7: guys and they've done all the work, and so comparing

1351
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 7: notes with scouts really helpful in my process just to

1352
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 7: make sure I'm not missing something that you've been watching

1353
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 7: the wrong tape. Maybe you know I just there's something

1354
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 7: in my process that I'm overlooking.

1355
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 3: When you list off the people that you did, do

1356
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 3: you have certain people that you have found you like

1357
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 3: to get their takes on certain things I know with

1358
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 3: like Lance, for example.

1359
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 7: The offensive line, Yeah, for sure?

1360
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 3: Is that is that something you've kind of cultivated to

1361
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 3: be like, all right, I want to check my receivers

1362
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 3: with this guy. I want to check my quarterbacks here.

1363
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 7: My line's there, Yeah, no doubt, offensive line Lance for sure.

1364
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 7: You know Brandon Thorn does an outstanding job with offensive linemen. Yeah,

1365
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 7: I'm still trying to find someone that I trust implicitly

1366
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 7: with quarterbacks. We've all got those misses, right we are, Yeah, exactly.

1367
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 7: The whole league is if you know a quarterback whisper,

1368
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 7: let me know, because I'd love to talk to them

1369
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 7: and kind of bend Zier a little bit, find out more,

1370
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 7: especially with this class where we're have to dig a

1371
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 7: little bit more with these quarterbacks. Yeah, and we're going

1372
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 7: to dive in that this second. But I think it's

1373
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:51,080
Speaker 7: always interesting for people to because I'm sure you see

1374
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 7: anytime you post a mock draft or anytime you post

1375
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 7: you know, your big board or whatever you want to

1376
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 7: whatever phrase you want to use. There's a lot of

1377
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 7: real strong conviction in your mentions from people who perhaps

1378
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 7: maybe have not spent the time that you have on them.

1379
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 7: For those amateurs who would like to, you know, back

1380
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 7: some of their very strong takes up with tape. What's

1381
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 7: kind of a way that you would say kind of

1382
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 7: tape one oh one? How people can start to get

1383
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 7: into that world and what are well to stay with quarterbacks?

1384
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 7: Because it's I think obviously Incluan Brown show, we need

1385
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 7: a quarterback. So it's I think at top of mind,

1386
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 7: you know what are the things that you are watching

1387
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 7: for and do you have a style? One thing somebody

1388
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 7: told me a long time ago when I did it

1389
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 7: was run the play. And I don't know if you

1390
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:35,919
Speaker 7: have any little things like this or if you even

1391
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 7: think that this is a good thing. Run the play

1392
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 7: just a few seconds. So there may be the receivers

1393
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 7: are five to ten yards down the field.

1394
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 4: Pause it.

1395
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 3: At that point you've seen the coverage rotations, you know

1396
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 3: what the coverage is playing. You have an idea of

1397
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 3: the concepts, and you have an idea. You can say yourself, okay,

1398
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 3: where should this ball go and then see if it

1399
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 3: actually does go there right exactly?

1400
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 4: Is kind of quarterback stuff.

1401
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 3: What are things that you do that people who want

1402
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 3: to kind of be more educated about this.

1403
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 7: It's a smart way to look at it. And I

1404
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 7: first and foremost start with the opponent, you know, understanding

1405
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 7: what's the personnel like it, and more so than just like, Okay,

1406
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 7: this team or this quarterback is facing Arizona State. Okay,

1407
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 7: was Arizona State any good on defense? And what are

1408
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 7: their corners? Like what kind of coverage do you like

1409
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 7: to play? So yeah, getting an understanding before you go

1410
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 7: into the tape about what the quarterbacks and it's kind

1411
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 7: of like what you're saying, like understanding what the quarterback

1412
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 7: is going to be facing from a talent perspective, because okay,

1413
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 7: if you know a quarterback has five touchdowns against a

1414
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 7: certain defense, it's like, oh wow, it looks great, but

1415
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 7: it turns out the defense isn't very good, And I

1416
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 7: don't know how much you're learning from that tape. So

1417
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 7: making sure you're watching in a perfect world, you're watching

1418
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 7: every tape, but in a more condensed way of doing this,

1419
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 7: you're watching, especially with quarterbacks, you know, seven eight tapes,

1420
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 7: but making sure you're paying attention to the ones that

1421
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 7: matter because they're facing a really good defense with good defenders,

1422
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 7: guys that will be playing at the next level. And

1423
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 7: then I like that the way you where you phrase

1424
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 7: that about how you know, let the play run for

1425
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 7: a beat or two, roll it back, and then try

1426
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 7: to understand, Okay, based on this coverage, his eyes should

1427
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 7: be looking here. And that's the biggest obstacle when watching

1428
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 7: tape is we don't know the play call. We don't

1429
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 7: know what they've been coached to do on the progression,

1430
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 7: sure exactly, And so you know, based off of first read,

1431
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 7: second read, you know, they're easy to point out like, oh,

1432
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 7: I should have got to a second read faster. You

1433
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 7: want to see guys eliminate things quickly when that first

1434
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 7: read is not there. But there are times where quarterbacks

1435
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 7: the first read is actually over here, but he starts

1436
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 7: there to draw the safety. So there are just so

1437
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 7: many and I've been doing this for twenty years at

1438
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 7: this point, but understanding the quarterback position from just a

1439
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 7: micro level where you get a better sense for what

1440
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 7: he's being asked to do is something that I mean,

1441
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 7: we'll be trying to figure out for through the end

1442
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 7: of time. Yeah, and so every year you feel like

1443
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 7: maybe you get a little bit better, you pick up

1444
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 7: on these different things, but it's a never ending process that. Yeah,

1445
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 7: I don't think there's any no such thing as a

1446
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 7: true quarterback expert when it comes to these evaluations because

1447
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 7: it's college to pro is such a jump physically, mentally,

1448
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 7: just a personality that when you factor in all those things,

1449
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 7: it makes it a tough position to project.

1450
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 3: Where do you come at and when you're kind of

1451
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 3: going through your evaluations because when you do watch these tapes,

1452
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 3: you can get a sense of a couple of things,

1453
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 3: and one would be traits, right, yeah, arm strength? How

1454
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 3: can they can they attack every blade of grass? What

1455
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 3: are their kind of what are their fundamentals within that?

1456
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 3: You know, what is their athleticism, what's their escapability, what

1457
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 3: is their pocket presence? And then there's the other side

1458
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 3: that is kind of intangibles, and that is the decision making,

1459
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 3: the instincts, the ability to throw with anticipation, the ability

1460
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 3: to understand very quickly what a coverage is doing and

1461
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 3: then say, okay, process that and that means the ball

1462
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 3: needs to go here, and then be able to physically

1463
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 3: do that.

1464
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 4: How do you kind of balance because it's a position.

1465
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 3: Where the reality is you need all of those but

1466
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 3: right you know that's Andrew Luck maybe exactly. There aren't

1467
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 3: a lot of those guys, So you have to say

1468
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:03,639
Speaker 3: what matters ultimately.

1469
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 7: More every position you have in your mind a list

1470
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 7: of the key traits you're looking at for at the position.

1471
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 7: And it's tough from my point of view because I'm

1472
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 7: doing this from a very general standpoint, where you know,

1473
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 7: if I'm a Brown Scout, obviously i have a certain

1474
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 7: scheme that I'm coaching. I'm looking for a certain culture

1475
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 7: that I'm looking for, so that changes things. But from

1476
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 7: a generalized standpoint, especially quarterbacks, top two are non negotiable.

1477
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 7: It's decision making inaccuracy. You need those two things. That's

1478
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,439
Speaker 7: where you start. But sometimes you can maybe inflate that.

1479
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 4: A little bit.

1480
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 7: Like Bryce s Young was a good example of that,

1481
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 7: where worried about the size the arm was fine, wasn't great,

1482
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 7: it wasn't terrible as fine and so, but his decision

1483
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,680
Speaker 7: making and his accuracy were so impressive at Alabama it

1484
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 7: was like, you know what, Yeah, I really like CJ. Stroup,

1485
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 7: really like him. But Bryce soon's gonna be in my

1486
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 7: number one quarterback because he does the first two things

1487
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 7: so well, and then he gets to the NFL and

1488
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 7: it's like, oh man, if you don't have those other

1489
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,320
Speaker 7: physical traits, it's so tough. And brace s Young has

1490
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 7: gotten better and better, Like it's taken a little bit

1491
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 7: of time as he kind of rebuilds his confidence and

1492
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 7: I think he's gonna.

1493
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 4: Be like he's in a good spot now.

1494
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, he's in. It took a little bit of time

1495
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 7: just because I think he got beat down so and

1496
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 7: because of the situation in Carolina too. But not having

1497
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 7: those physical traits, you really miss that and so it's

1498
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 7: something to consider trying as you try to weigh Okay,

1499
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 7: yeah he has accuracy, has decision making, but does he

1500
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,800
Speaker 7: have the necessary arm where it fits within his the

1501
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,680
Speaker 7: way he likes to play. So it might be a

1502
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 7: signal or.

1503
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 3: That's a perfect segue, is right? So you're talking about

1504
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,640
Speaker 3: and it's perfect. Then we know people who have been

1505
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,720
Speaker 3: following you, who know, for cam Ord is the top

1506
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 3: quarterback on your board in this draft, and you're not

1507
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 3: as high on Shador as some others might be.

1508
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 4: But I would imagine that impacts you.

1509
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,680
Speaker 3: Right, you go back to your notes and you say, well,

1510
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 3: here's what I thought really was going to translate right

1511
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 3: away for Bryce Young, and then it didn't right as well. Now,

1512
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 3: I think in some offenses, and I think if we're

1513
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 3: talking the O Shanahan mcvays, the fan Ski those traits,

1514
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 3: I think overcut can overcome others just because of the

1515
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 3: way that things are schemed up for a quarterback in

1516
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 3: like success brock Perties had obviously no doubt in San Francisco,

1517
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 3: but that you're looking more scheme agnostic as opposed to

1518
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 3: into it. And then there's the argument, right or the

1519
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 3: debate do you want the best ball of clay, which

1520
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 3: you're one hundred percent sure is cam Ward in your mind,

1521
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 3: and then you coach that into your scheme or or

1522
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 3: modify it to fit what he does the best? Or

1523
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 3: are you looking for the person who's best attributes match

1524
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 3: what your scheme asked them to be?

1525
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 2: Right?

1526
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 7: And you better be convinced that the guy that has

1527
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 7: the flashy, flashier traits like a cam Ward, that he's

1528
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 7: smart enough and wired the right way to do it.

1529
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 7: And all the feedback I've gotten on cam Ward is

1530
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 7: he absolutely fits that in terms of his intelligence. I

1531
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 7: once scouts say, of all these quarterbacks, he has the

1532
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 7: biggest chip on his shoulder, which just a way that

1533
01:12:55,760 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 7: he attacks, and then I think you feel optimistic about okaying.

1534
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 7: Quarterback in high school, goes to Incarnate Word, leads the

1535
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 7: FCS and in passing touchdowns, goes to Washington State, gets better,

1536
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 7: and then he goes to Miami and he had this

1537
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 7: tremendous season where he Heisman contender. Production was outstanding. Wasn't perfect,

1538
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 7: but it was well above average. So it's like, Okay,

1539
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 7: I feel good about who he is now, but he's

1540
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 7: he's of continuing to ascend. You know, we're getting him

1541
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 7: on the up and so where is he going to

1542
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 7: be two years from now, three years from now, when

1543
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 7: we get a chance our coaches get our hands on

1544
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,600
Speaker 7: him and really figure him out. So that's why, to me,

1545
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 7: cam Ward, if I had a bet on a quarterback

1546
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 7: in this class, regardless of scheme and what exactly my

1547
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 7: offense looks like with personnel, cam Ward would the guy

1548
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 7: I would bet on him early.

1549
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: So the one follow up I want to have with

1550
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 2: that on on cam was this puts himself in the

1551
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: draft process last year, doesn't like I mean, he was

1552
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 2: in he was going and doesn't like what he hears.

1553
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 2: Fourth round pick, Yeah, goes to Miami. So what changed

1554
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: for him on the field when you compare Watchington State,

1555
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 2: Because if the ball of clay is the same, it

1556
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: was the same ball of clay at Washington State. What

1557
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 2: changed from Washington State cam to Miami camp.

1558
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 7: The number one thing is just the avoiding negative plays

1559
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 7: and he still does that. You watch the cal tape.

1560
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 7: You watch they're every almost every tape he's going to

1561
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 7: put the ball in harm's way in a way that Okay,

1562
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 7: he needs to reel back on that. But at Washington State,

1563
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 7: it was running himself into way too many sacks. It

1564
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 7: was putting the ball in harm's way, turnover worthy plays.

1565
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 7: He really cut back on that and was able to

1566
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 7: play more with what the defense is giving him, not

1567
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 7: force something that wasn't there. And so that's just part

1568
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 7: of any quarterbacks maturation. And it's one thing to say

1569
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 7: it and say, oh, he'll get better, he'll mature. It's

1570
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 7: another thing to see it on the field. So cam

1571
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 7: Ward is a good example of Yeah, he could have

1572
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 7: gone in the draft, and I mean Jane Daniels if

1573
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 7: he came out after his third year or fourth year,

1574
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 7: he would have been a fourth round pick. But he

1575
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 7: goes to LSU and okay, he takes another step and

1576
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,600
Speaker 7: turns into the top two pick and obviously had the

1577
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 7: rookie year he did not saying cam Ward's going to

1578
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 7: have that same trage. But there's something to be said.

1579
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 7: I know age matters. I know, like you know, for

1580
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 7: some teams more than others, you want younger guys. I

1581
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 7: get it. But at quarterback, give me the guy with

1582
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,799
Speaker 7: the experience. And you know, it's it's unique year where

1583
01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 7: the top two guys, both Shador and Cam are well

1584
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,719
Speaker 7: Cam's a five year guy, but Shador is four year guy.

1585
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 7: A lot they played af a lot of football where

1586
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 7: it's you know, maybe he's not twenty one years old,

1587
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 7: but give me the experience. Look at what bo Nix

1588
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 7: did last year, Jane Daniels, Michael Pennix had when he

1589
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 7: got on the field, had success because of the experience

1590
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 7: that he had in college. So we're talking running back,

1591
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 7: shirt give me the twenty year old. We're talking quarterback,

1592
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 7: give me the guy with the on field experience. And

1593
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 7: this is a unique class where there's questions, but at

1594
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 7: least these guys at the top.

1595
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 3: All have that experience, There's no doubt, and that's a

1596
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: great question about just kind of the evolution of how

1597
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 3: these evaluations go and kind of where you get to.

1598
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 2: All right. That is part one of our conversation with

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Speaker 3: You like CAM a lot, do you think one of

1609
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 3: the things you know, obviously, when I was going through

1610
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 3: my notes on CAM and watching the tapes Patrick Mahomes

1611
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 3: and Lamar Jackson and what they have done, I would

1612
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 3: imagine for your profession and just the league in general,

1613
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 3: is it used to be if you didn't understand their base,

1614
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 3: you didn't understand their footwork, you didn't understand their arm

1615
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,439
Speaker 3: angles or perhaps sometimes they appeared nonchalant and drifting and

1616
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 3: this and that. It was kind of that was a

1617
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 3: red flag, right, It was like, well that does That's

1618
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 3: not going to work at the NFL because so much

1619
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 3: was under center, So much was the handing on the

1620
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,639
Speaker 3: drop back matching and the timing and all that. Now

1621
01:17:03,680 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 3: you see that, you know, I bet you don't even

1622
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 3: think twice about it. You're like, that's just his style, Like, yeah,

1623
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 3: and it works, it can We've seen that it can work.

1624
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 7: Creation Yeah, it's become a part of the quarterback position.

1625
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 4: You know.

1626
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 7: We talked about this last year with Caleb, you know,

1627
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 7: because he had a little bit of that to him,

1628
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 7: where okay, we drafting him for how he wins from

1629
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 7: the pocket, or we drafting him because he could make

1630
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 7: fun plays. And you know what part of the NFL

1631
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 7: is is that sixty percent of the time the play

1632
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 7: does not go exactly how you expect it to go,

1633
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 7: and so your quarterback has to be able to find

1634
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 7: plan B, Plan C. Sometimes that means leaving the pocket.

1635
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 7: Sometimes it means stepping up and creating an extra half

1636
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 7: beat so the route can come open. So it's it

1637
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 7: is not quite as simple as Okay, you know, can

1638
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 7: he make the throw? Can he you know, like how

1639
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,679
Speaker 7: mccorr is a really good quarterback in this draft, out

1640
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 7: standing from the pocket, but I worry about the mobility

1641
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 7: and can he create? And because of that, teams are

1642
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 7: kind of, you know, they like him more in the

1643
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 7: third round, fourth round because they worry about the creation aspect,

1644
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 7: which has become such a big part of today's NFL.

1645
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 2: How do you with a guy like Shador who Pat

1646
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 2: Sherman obviously coordinator, a pretty porous offensive line, and an

1647
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 2: indifference to the run game. How do you balance what

1648
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: he is trying to do to have success at Colorado

1649
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 2: and trying to win games there and what was on

1650
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 2: him to win games there versus when things go right

1651
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 2: in their scheme and it's dropped and it's out seventy

1652
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 2: four percent completion percentage this year, so obviously he's incredibly accurate.

1653
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: How do you balance those things? When you think about

1654
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 2: we talked about the hero ball, the drifting, all of

1655
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,559
Speaker 2: that stuff, how do you find the happy medium on

1656
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: all that?

1657
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 7: And that's what it's why quarterbacks so difficult to evaluate,

1658
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 7: because of all these guys are asked to do so

1659
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 7: many different different things within their own offense, and at Colorado,

1660
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 7: all those things are true about the offensive line, like

1661
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 7: on the run game, and because of that, Yeah, he

1662
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 7: had seventy four percent completions, but he also had one

1663
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 7: of the highest rates of throws within ten yards and so, so, yeah, okay,

1664
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 7: seventy four percent, But if you eliminate that, if you

1665
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,759
Speaker 7: take away all screens, you know, at the highest completion

1666
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 7: percentage in college football this year is Will Howard, So

1667
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 7: you know, it's it's just interesting. And Shoulder was still

1668
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 7: up there. He was somewhere in the top ten, so

1669
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 7: it's not like he free fell, but you take away

1670
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 7: the screens and all of a sudden, it's like, okay,

1671
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 7: you know, maybe he's the seventy four percent doesn't look

1672
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 7: as impressive with a downfield offense, and so, and he's

1673
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 7: made downfield throws. It's not like you're worried about can

1674
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 7: you really push the ball. But trying to scout a

1675
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 7: player independent of what he is asked to do is

1676
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 7: the challenge. Yeah, you know, you have to divorce him

1677
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 7: from the situation and say, okay, how is this going

1678
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 7: to fit with we want what we want to do?

1679
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 7: And it's different from scheme to scheme, But I think

1680
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 7: Shadu will be liked a little bit more by some teams,

1681
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 7: not as much by others. I just my my big

1682
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 7: question with Shaudor is can he elevate everybody around you

1683
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 7: and really throw everybody on the on your back and

1684
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 7: go win game games. That's where I have kind of

1685
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 7: a little bit of a question mark. Is he a

1686
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 7: truck or a trailer? You know, I think he's more

1687
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 7: of a trailer than a true truck. Not to say

1688
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 7: he can't start. He can. He can start in the NFL,

1689
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 7: and I think you know he's he's a first round pick.

1690
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 7: I think he'll start in the NFL. Just not quite

1691
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 7: what I'd be looking for in a top five pick myself.

1692
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 3: So with that all being said, if you're put yourself

1693
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 3: in the Andrew Berry shoes, you're sitting at TOO. And

1694
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 3: you and I both remember the year twenty sixteen, you

1695
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 3: were sitting at TOO behind the Tennessee Titans and in

1696
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 3: that draft for the Browns. Anyway, and I can say

1697
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 3: this with authority, that was Jared Goff?

1698
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 4: Was that was it?

1699
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:36,920
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1700
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:38,800
Speaker 3: There were two quarterbacks that year as well as Goff

1701
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 3: and Carson Wentz. They were not into Carson Wentz. They

1702
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:44,839
Speaker 3: were into Jared Goff. No way Tennessee's taking a quarterback.

1703
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 3: They just drafted Mariota and then the Rams trade up.

1704
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 3: Browns don't end up moving around. Do we know how

1705
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 3: that draft went end up with Corey Coleman in the

1706
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 3: first round. If you're that convicted about cam then do

1707
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,639
Speaker 3: you just say, let's figure it out and let's get

1708
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 3: to one and let's not have to worry about anything.

1709
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, you have the conversations. At the very least you

1710
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 7: find out, Okay, what's the price? What are we talking

1711
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 7: were talking about two threes, We're talking about a two

1712
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,080
Speaker 7: in a three. What type of price would it take

1713
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 7: to move up from two to one? Because a lot

1714
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 7: of it will depend on other offers are getting. It's

1715
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 7: not necessarily oh it's just one pick. Well, what's where

1716
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 7: are the giants offering? Where the Raiders offering? And that

1717
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 7: will obviously inflate the price. New general manager in Tennessee Titans,

1718
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 7: I really do believe the Titans are going to trade

1719
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 7: out of one. They don't have a third round pick.

1720
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 7: They pick it like in the early thirties, and then

1721
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 7: they don't pick until like the fourth round. So it's

1722
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 7: it's a big gap that I know new general manager

1723
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 7: wants to add more picks, kind of build up that

1724
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 7: roster with the way that you know he sees it.

1725
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 7: What is that going to look like?

1726
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 4: Though?

1727
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,919
Speaker 7: What type of trade offer are they willing to accept?

1728
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 7: But at the very least you find that out, you

1729
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,960
Speaker 7: figure out what is it going to cost to move up,

1730
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 7: and then that's when you kind of go back to

1731
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 7: your your brain trust and figure out if it's worth

1732
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 7: it or not.

1733
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is such a subjective thing. And you

1734
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 2: were talking earlier about you know, the Bryce Young c J.

1735
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 2: Stroud thing, Right, what is an example of a guy

1736
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 2: who you had a strong feeling on and then it

1737
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: got to the league and so much of this as circumstances, right,

1738
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 2: like the situation, I mean that's ninety percent of it.

1739
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: Are you in a position to succeed once you land there?

1740
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 7: If the Bears drafted or mahomes instead of Trubisky and

1741
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 7: Trubisky goes to the Chiefs, what are those two careers

1742
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 7: look like?

1743
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: Sliding doors is fascinating what you know, because coaching and

1744
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 2: the circumstances, situation, all that factors and so much for

1745
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 2: a quarterback, no doubt. Is there a guy, though, that

1746
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 2: landed in a good spot that didn't didn't turn into

1747
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 2: what you thought that he would be? And conversely, is

1748
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 2: there a guy who landed in a great spot and

1749
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 2: was significantly better than you thought he would be.

1750
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 7: I mean, are you asking if I've had missus that

1751
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 7: quarterback because he answers yes, And.

1752
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:57,559
Speaker 2: I'm curious how you have you apply that to the process.

1753
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 2: Everybody has them.

1754
01:22:58,640 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 4: There's no hit rate.

1755
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 2: This is a completely subjective process. And the thing that

1756
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:05,840
Speaker 2: we've talked about is there's no sure thing at defensive ending,

1757
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 2: at corner or receiver. There's misses all over the words sure.

1758
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 7: Thing should never when it comes to the draft. Oh,

1759
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 7: last year is a good example of bon Knicks. Yeah,

1760
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 7: bon Knicks like bon Knicks, And you know, I thought

1761
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 7: he could start in the league, but I didn't think

1762
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 7: that he would lead the Broncos of the playoffs in

1763
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,439
Speaker 7: year one. Now again you talk about circumstances and coaching

1764
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 7: getting paired up with Sean Payton that matters. It turns

1765
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 7: out Sean Payton knows a thing or two about quarterbacks.

1766
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 7: So it was funny because during that draft, it was like,

1767
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 7: the initial shock was oh, man, bon Nicks went twelve Wow,

1768
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 7: and then it's like, oh, Sean Payton, all right, yeah,

1769
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 7: I might I might be wrong on this one, because

1770
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 7: Sean Payton knows what he's doing.

1771
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a funny story about that. This

1772
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 3: was so early in the process it is now, or

1773
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 3: maybe even earlier in the year.

1774
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 4: I had a buddy who.

1775
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:57,000
Speaker 3: Was he's in like medical sales, was at some conference,

1776
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 3: sits down with a lady who happened to be the

1777
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 3: wife of somebody like well up the personnel side, and

1778
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 3: she's like, oh, yeah, we're drafting bo Nix. So he

1779
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:08,920
Speaker 3: texted me this is like January, it's right of that year,

1780
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 3: and he's like, Broncos are taking bo Nicks one hundred percent.

1781
01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:14,599
Speaker 3: And then they did, and we're like, Jimmy, Bang bang

1782
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 3: had it. You had it all Oxes. You never know

1783
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 3: sometimes where the intel will come. And I'm happy that

1784
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 3: that didn't derail their plans because I think that might

1785
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 3: have caused a little bit of strife. But the good

1786
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 3: news is that it worked out there. But yeah, it

1787
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 3: is interesting. It's it's it's everything we know that they're

1788
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 3: no sure things. I love how you said that in

1789
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 3: a draft, and we've been saying the sure thing in

1790
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 3: the NFL is if without a quarterback, you cannot win,

1791
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 3: period the end.

1792
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 7: I kind of like the idea in this class of.

1793
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:38,920
Speaker 4: I want two of them.

1794
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 7: Well, we rarely see guys more like it's only happened

1795
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 7: once in the last seven years. We have more Day

1796
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 7: two quarterbacks than Day one quarterbacks, because usually if you're

1797
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 7: good enough to play in the NFL, you're going Round one.

1798
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 7: But this year I think is a little unique with

1799
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,560
Speaker 7: Jackson Dark and Tyler Schuck and Jaylen Milro is a

1800
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 7: little more of a wild card. But I wouldn't be

1801
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 7: surprised at all if we have more Day two quarterbacks

1802
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 7: than Day one. And I don't know. I like the

1803
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 7: idea of if I can get Tyler Shuck in the

1804
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 7: early third round, I would rather do that and if

1805
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 7: it works, great, If it doesn't, then, but I'd rather

1806
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 7: do that than take Shador too. That's that's my own person,

1807
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 7: even though like I have Shoudor rated higher than Tyler Schuck, sure,

1808
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 7: but getting him in the early third because he's twenty

1809
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 7: gonna be a twenty six year old rookie and all

1810
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 7: of that and if it works out great. If it doesn't,

1811
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 7: then it's a third round Pick's not gonna stop me

1812
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 7: from going drafting a quarterback early next year. So but

1813
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 7: we'll shuck make it that long. I don't know a

1814
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 7: lot of teams like him.

1815
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 3: If let's go down the stoad for a second, then

1816
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:38,800
Speaker 3: we're going to get the final question, which I love

1817
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:42,280
Speaker 3: because we want to talk weapons here. But if you

1818
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 3: cam Ward is off the table for you, you're running

1819
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 3: the Browns. Cam Ward's off the table. You're a two.

1820
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 3: Are you taking somebody? Or then are you in full

1821
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,479
Speaker 3: Let's try to get whatever we can get mode From

1822
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 3: an asset standpoint.

1823
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, you definitely. I think you would love to move

1824
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 7: back now. The opportunity to draft the best non quarterback

1825
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 7: in the draft is pretty appealing, whether that's a dual

1826
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 7: card or Travis Hunter. Hunter, you plug him into this offense,

1827
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 7: all of a sudden you have an immediate guy with juice.

1828
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:10,680
Speaker 4: It.

1829
01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,680
Speaker 7: It's gonna be an interesting thing here with Hunter as

1830
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 7: teams talk to him and really kind of boil down, Hey,

1831
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 7: where do you want to play? Of course he's gonna

1832
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 7: say both, but teams are gonna really press him and

1833
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:23,840
Speaker 7: say Okay, well, let's just for a second say you

1834
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 7: can't play both, you have to play one. Which would

1835
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:28,760
Speaker 7: you rather play? And it'll be interesting to see how

1836
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 7: those conversations play out. I think most teams that I

1837
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,559
Speaker 7: talk to like him as a corner, full time corner,

1838
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 7: and then you mix in some plays on offense. But

1839
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 7: I know other teams want that juice on offense brown right,

1840
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,200
Speaker 7: And I get it. You watch you watch any Shadoor

1841
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 7: tape and inevitably you see Travis Hunter going and making plays,

1842
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 7: and so the chance to add that drop that into

1843
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 7: your offense be pretty appealing. It'd be tough to trade

1844
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 7: away from that, So it would depend you're gonna leave

1845
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 7: the phone lines open. You're go and see what you

1846
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 7: can get. But it would be tough to trade away

1847
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 7: from either out of the D or Travis Hunter, whichever

1848
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 7: one of the Browns I have higher on the board.

1849
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 3: So let's just say we're we're running things, and we're

1850
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 3: gonna listen to you, but we're gonna still take Shador too.

1851
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 3: We'll take Shock in the third round. Now pick thirty three.

1852
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 3: Who are your favorite weapons in that range?

1853
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 4: Rounds? Have you know three picks in the third round?

1854
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 4: As well.

1855
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 3: Give us some guys in my mind that I've already

1856
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,320
Speaker 3: said it. I want my I want two quarterbacks. I

1857
01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 3: want a receiver, a running back, and another tight end.

1858
01:27:23,320 --> 01:27:24,720
Speaker 3: That's what I want out of those top five. We

1859
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 3: want weapons. We want to score the football. Here on

1860
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 3: c the CBD Browns. It's music in my ears. Yeah,

1861
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 3: I said, how this is not a great receiver group.

1862
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see how many go in the

1863
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 3: first you know, is it Tmack will go? Uh, probably

1864
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:41,320
Speaker 3: Burden will go. I think Ibuka will go. It's Matthew Golden.

1865
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 3: Maybe not, I think gold Yeah. I if Matthew Golden

1866
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 3: is there, I like that fit a lot. He just

1867
01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 3: he's not the biggest, not necessarily the fastest.

1868
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 7: But just a dang good receiver. He will go up

1869
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 7: and get the football. His roundes got better and better

1870
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 7: every year. I think there's even though I don't like

1871
01:27:56,600 --> 01:27:59,240
Speaker 7: the forties good not great. There's an explosive nature so

1872
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 7: he can uncover. He's a guy that doesn't need he

1873
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 7: doesn't have a receiver on his hip constantly because he

1874
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 7: knows how to get open. So Matthew Golden is there

1875
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 7: in an early second. I like that fit a lot.

1876
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,799
Speaker 7: This is such a deep running back group, it's it's loaded.

1877
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 9: Uh.

1878
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,920
Speaker 7: Obviously Ashton Genty gets most of the attention, and he should.

1879
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 7: He's unbelievable. You could argue is the best player in

1880
01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 7: the draft. But it's not like the running back it

1881
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 7: just falls off like Omarion Hampton and Caleb Johnson are tremendous. Uh,

1882
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 7: Trayvon Henderson is more of the like you want him

1883
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 7: more of his electric committee back?

1884
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:35,440
Speaker 4: Is he like Gibbs?

1885
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 7: Is he's like Gibbs. But I think what makes Gibbs

1886
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,519
Speaker 7: so special, aside from just the burst, is he's so

1887
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 7: good at reading the offensive line. He understands football geometry,

1888
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 7: he understands where you know where. Travion's not quite like

1889
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 7: that way. He watches tape and as an inside runner,

1890
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:52,960
Speaker 7: wish he had a little more patience here, which he

1891
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 7: didn't run into his own blocker here. But if you

1892
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 7: give him a lane, he's gonna scoop. You know he's

1893
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 7: gonna go and so uh, Travion's more of that electric Yeah,

1894
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 7: you try to capture that Jamiir gibbson a bottle type

1895
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 7: of thing. So yeah, he would be really good in

1896
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 7: that in that situation. Uh, tight end. This is like

1897
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,920
Speaker 7: like running back is loaded loaded. I love Colston Loveland.

1898
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 7: I love Tyler Warren at the top. I don't think

1899
01:29:16,880 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 7: it's a debate between those two. It's just a preference,

1900
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 7: you know, do you want the upside guy? Do you

1901
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 7: want the guy that's just a dang good football player?

1902
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 7: And Tyler Warren Both those guys are going to be

1903
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 7: NFL stars. But then after that, love Elijah Royo.

1904
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 3: Uh, when I watched the cam tape, I told him

1905
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 3: I was like, go with the two hr yeah, twelve personnel,

1906
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 3: let's go.

1907
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 7: But Mason Taylor's awesome. Mason Taylor just does everything. Yeah,

1908
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,599
Speaker 7: you know, and exactly what you would expect from Jason

1909
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 7: Taylor's kid. None of these guys are there are more

1910
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 7: pass catchers and blockers, but they can get the job done.

1911
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

1912
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 7: And I'm a big Gunner Helm fan too. Gunnerham, I

1913
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,760
Speaker 7: think he's the fifth tight end of the five, but

1914
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 7: he's either what about his boy from Bowling Green? Bowling Green?

1915
01:29:58,360 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 7: Are they fcs or.

1916
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 4: Wow?

1917
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 7: Hey like couch fans a Northeast Ohio kids. So I

1918
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:09,840
Speaker 7: like fan a lot.

1919
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:14,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way back anytime.

1920
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 7: Like that fan is a Northeast Ohio kids. So I'm

1921
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 7: always going to root for those kids. How do you

1922
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 7: argue with one hundred and seventeen catches? You know, I

1923
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 7: don't I don't care what level you're playing at. I

1924
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 7: don't care what conference you're playing in. You know, he's

1925
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 7: he's more of the little undersized h back. What is he?

1926
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 7: But he does two things really well. He's straight line explosive,

1927
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,960
Speaker 7: and he catches the ball no matter what. And Okay,

1928
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 7: I can work with guys like that. So he'll go

1929
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 7: some more on Day two and be a good player.

1930
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 7: He's twenty years old. He isn't turn twenty one until July.

1931
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, great talking to you, Bud.

1932
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Speaker 4: Hey, the best, lovest.

1933
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Speaker 7: Now the combine can start.

1934
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Speaker 4: That's right, We've done it. Yeah, it's official. It's it's official.

1935
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Speaker 2: The great Dane Brugler, Thanks buddy, Thanks guys, just incredible stuff.

1936
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Speaker 2: All week long. You learn so much. There is consensus

1937
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,719
Speaker 2: of thought, there is consensus at the top of the draft.

1938
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 2: You already have this movement, the Stafford thing resolved by

1939
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Speaker 2: the end of the week, and have a feeling there's

1940
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:05,080
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot more of this over the next

1941
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks in the league. It takes a village

1942
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Speaker 2: to do all that we do at the Combine. G

1943
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Speaker 2: Man Doctor j the Great Ghibbe Siciliano stopping by on

1944
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Speaker 2: a daily basis. It was. It was pure joy all

1945
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Speaker 2: week long. And now the business of the NFL coming

1946
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Speaker 2: up very very shortly. It's gonna be fast and furious

1947
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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks leading into free agency. The

1948
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Speaker 2: next level is coming up next. We are back Monday,

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1950
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