1 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Helly Angel fans, Welcome back to Halo territory. I am 2 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Mike di Giovanna, former Alla Times Baseball writer and host 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: of the show, joined today by my regular co host 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Mark Trumbull, the former Angel slugger Mark. How you doing today? Great? 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: We got a lot to cover today. We got a 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: jam pack show. We're gonna talk a little bit about 7 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: Robert Stevenson's latest setback infielder Christian Moors, the motion to 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: the minor leagues in the emergence of another young pitching prospect. 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: But we're going to open today's show with a new 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: segment that we're calling I can't believe it. I can't 11 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: believe Zach Netto slid head first into home plate in 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: an exhibition game. What is he thinking? As we all know, 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: Netto suffered a right shoulder injury on a head first 14 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: slide into second base since September of twenty twenty four. 15 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: He had off season surgery and missed the first three 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: weeks of twenty twenty five recovering from that. He aggravated 17 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: the injury on another head first slide last June, after 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: which he vowed to slide feet first more often. But 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 1: there he was on Saturday, diving into the plate while 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: trying to score from first base on a double against 21 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: the Mariners. For those watching on YouTube, we do have 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: a video of the play, courtesy of the Seattle Mariners 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: PR department. Here's the bitch. 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna slightly just down the line of spray left, 25 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 2: going to play in a left field and rolls to 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: the corner. 27 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: O Hapi was in for Raza scores here Coupsnado. 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: The thrill coming home to get Nado. 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: It's rolls to the plate. The tear I apply correct now, 30 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: as we know, players can get hurt on head first 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: slides into any base. They can injure hands and wrists 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: on feet first slides in the base. Who will ever 33 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: forget Gary DiSarcina in nineteen ninety five early August stone 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: base attempt. I believe maybe he was breaking up a 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: double play, slides his feet first into second, reaches back 36 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: for the bag with his left hand, tears a ligament 37 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: in his left thumbs out for seven weeks, an injury 38 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: that many thought may have cost the Angels of Pennant 39 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: that year. But Mark sliding in the home plate is 40 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: a little our head for a slide in the home 41 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: plate is a little different animal, isn't it. 42 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: It is. It is a risky play. It is something 43 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: that I think is best avoided. But when the adrenaline 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 2: is running and you know the play is in front 45 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: of you, I think in this instance there's a couple 46 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: of things going on. The head first slide, I don't 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: think he even thought about it. I think that's just instinct. 48 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: He's done it for his whole life, and he did 49 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 2: it there. Obviously we know what happened. It seems like 50 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 2: it's going to be a couple of games. I'm sure 51 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 2: he's got gotten an image by now, but it should 52 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: be a good reminder to him that for him, especially 53 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: feet first, I think it's much easier to do when 54 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: you're on first base, and let's say plot into steel, 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 2: you can kind of gameplan that and whatever. This play 56 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: there was a lot of moving parts. I think the 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: main problem here was the poor initial lead he got, 58 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: which I believe he spoke about made a comment about, 59 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: and then I'm not sure because the camera wasn't focusing 60 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: on that area, I don't know how hard he was 61 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: really running. I do know that we can kind of 62 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: judge off of the runner in front of him, which 63 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: was Parazza, I believe, and how quickly he got the 64 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 2: third and I think he did get to third before 65 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: Zach touched second, And Paraza didn't appear to be really 66 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: going all out either. So that play, whether Zach thought 67 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: there was there's no chance he was going to be 68 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: sent or for whatever reason. You know, that's why you 69 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 2: don't assume anything, and especially you don't assume that someone's 70 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: going to hold you up. As a runner. Your whole 71 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 2: plot or your plan is your scoring, especially from first 72 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: base on a ball down the line, your first and 73 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: only thought is unscoring. And I don't care what your 74 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: speed is, and the coach will make that decision to 75 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: hold you up. Zach has good speed. I'm assuming that 76 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: was the thought process there. But I also think he 77 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 2: broke his stride a little bit going into third, probably 78 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: assuming he might get held up. Maybe he didn't feel 79 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 2: like he. I looked at it, you know, it didn't 80 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: look like a late send. Now we can talk about 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 2: and maybe you can talk about, you know, as far 82 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: as where the game was, the fact that spring training 83 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 2: is that ill advised. I mean, what are your thoughts 84 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 2: on that? 85 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a big problem with that. It turns 86 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: out Keith Johnson, the regular third base coach, was not 87 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: doing the game yesterday. Andy Shatsley, who is the Doba 88 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: manager last years and now promoted to infield coach, was 89 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: a coach in third base. And to me, there were 90 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: no outs in the sixth inning and it's still a 91 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: Cactus League game. So yeah, I had a big problem 92 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: with that. And really, when you look at the play, 93 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm surprised he suffered the injury he did because really 94 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: all the catcher did was slap his tag on it. 95 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think you can slide head 96 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: first in the home plate. Catchers are usually a lot 97 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: bigger than the middle infielders. They got all the gear on. 98 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: How many times you see that catcher feel the ball 99 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: maybe up toward the first base line, he slides with 100 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: his whole body and his shin guards right into the 101 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: guy sliding in the home plate trying to make a tag. 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: Imagine sliding with your left hand jammed into col Rally's 103 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: shin guard while you're diving in a home plate. So 104 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: I just think, all around, not a good sin considering 105 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: the situation, and not a heady played by Zach Nan 106 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: And I agree with you mark instincts do take over. 107 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: But I mean, how many times have you seen veterans 108 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: just ease up and not crist things in spring training? 109 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: It's just not worth it. I mean, did you have 110 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: a problem with the send? 111 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: I initially know I didn't have a big problem. And 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: it is a tough thing. Being a base coach is 113 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: a very thankless position. You are usually only acknowledged for 114 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 2: your screw ups, and I think that and who praises 115 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 2: third base as coaches? I don't hear much. I mean, 116 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: Dino is excellent, and are some that are better than others, 117 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 2: and some will out themselves for being well reckless to 118 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: be honest, any guys out by a wide margin. And 119 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: this really wasn't that a Zach had gotten a better 120 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: lead and was running harder. I think it would. There 121 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: might not have been a play at all. The ball 122 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: might have been cut. For example, if I was running 123 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 2: at first base a guy with average at best, probably 124 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: below average speed and Peter Board was behind me. An 125 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: example that I can relate to, Yeah, there's a real 126 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: concern he is going to catch me. And it's not 127 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: literal like, but it could be a lot closer than 128 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: I would really like if a guy is going full 129 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: till now, braz is a good runner, so that's not 130 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: going to happen here, But that should be the mindset 131 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: that the guy behind you, and as you know Netto, 132 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 2: he should be trying to catch the guy in front 133 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: of him. So I think we've covered this, but in 134 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: the future, I mean a learning experience. Hopefully we never 135 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: or anyone has to discuss this and Zach never has 136 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: to answer questions about this again. 137 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, luckily Netto appears to have dodge a bullet. X 138 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: rays were negative. He suffered a small spring on his 139 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: left hand and expects to return in a few days. 140 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, he did call it a learning experience. Spoke 141 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 1: to reporters this morning and temp b definitely a learning 142 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: experience for me. Don't slide head first in spring training. 143 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: Maybe get a bigger lead next time at first base. 144 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: I caused this just a little sort of day, but 145 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: everything should be back here in a couple of days. 146 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: That is a pretty tough learning experience. But Mark, in 147 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: all your I believe ten years in the big leagues, 148 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: did you ever slide head first into any base, let 149 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: alone home plate? 150 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: Believe you and I are tied at zero and with 151 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 2: the time I can remember triple A Little League. Wow, 152 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: it just it wasn't something I did. It was no 153 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: good at it, first and foremost, and it just is 154 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: really uncomfortable. Now guys that have done it and do 155 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: it really well, it looks graceful. There are some advantages. 156 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: You can sneak your hand in there, maybe avoid the 157 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: glove and whatnot, But it's a risk reward thing. I 158 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: think when in doubt, feet first as often as possible, 159 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: never into first base. And you know, I just prefer 160 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 2: feet first into second as well. But some guys still are, 161 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: you know, pretty adept going head first. But you know, 162 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: you see the the gloves, the big oven mits and 163 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: everything else. You know you probably have to wear it. 164 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 2: If you're a guy that doesn't. 165 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: Were you safe on that play in littlely? Who knows. 166 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 2: I'm going to say yes, probably, but I still remember it. 167 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: If that tells you anything, was. 168 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: It a size thing for you or an athleticism things. 169 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: I always remember Garrett Ins, and you know he did 170 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: not die for balls in the outfield, and he just said, 171 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: flat out if I do that, I'm going to get hurt. 172 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: What good am I to this team? If you know 173 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: the cleanup batter on what was then a championship Calider team, 174 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, missing a month or two because of an injury. 175 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: I know, you know, for guys your size, it's probably 176 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: not the wisest thing to do. 177 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: There's outliers Judge for example, he incredibly athletic. He can 178 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: pull it off and it looks right. For me, didn't 179 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: look right, didn't look smooth, rarely worked, and give up 180 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: a lot of extra basis, an ill advised dive in 181 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 2: the outfield can can cost a lot more than now. 182 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: You don't want to look like the guy that's pulling 183 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: up and not going hard either, So you got to know. 184 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: I actually, for me, I preferred the slide in the 185 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: outfield too, Tim Salmon, growing up watching him, he was 186 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: so good at it, and it can be a real 187 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: weapon too. And when the infielders are going back and 188 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: the outfielders are coming in, the outfielders are taught to 189 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 2: get down because the infielders are you know, getting down 190 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: with they're falling over. So it's the outfielder's job and 191 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 2: you need loud communication. On the basis, it was very 192 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: simple because I stunk at it, so you know, why bother. 193 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 2: But for those that can do both, you know, be 194 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 2: interesting to hear. Maybe we'll get somebody on here in 195 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: short order that can give a better opinion, and you 196 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: know we can we can hear a little bit more. 197 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: But that's my take. 198 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: Now we're going to turn our attention to the World 199 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Baseball Classic. All of our World Baseball Classic coverage is 200 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: brought to you by our friends at Fox one, which 201 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: is live stream all your Fox favorites together in one place, 202 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: including all WBC games and after that the best MLB 203 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: action all season and long well mark. The WBC has 204 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: reached the semi final stage, and let's let's be honest here. 205 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: One of the great storylines of this WBC his team Italy, 206 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: my Italians, the Italian the Azure as we like to 207 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: call them, undefeated going into a semi final matchup against 208 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: Venezuela Monday night, upset the US team in pool play. 209 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: And what a great story. And I'm so happy for 210 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: my good friend need Coletti, who the GM who put 211 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: that team together. I sent him a text message after 212 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: the after they beat the US team and just with 213 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: a little emoji of an Italian flag, and he got 214 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: right back to me. His response was f Yeah, so 215 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: you know he's really into it, and hey, there's a 216 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: there's an Angels player who's been a pretty big part 217 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: of the Italian run up to the semi final, sam Aldegarry, 218 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: the left hander four and two third scoreless innings in 219 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: the eight nothing win over Brazil. I believe that was 220 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: the opener, and he didn't pitch as well in the 221 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: quarter finally only lasted what one on the third innings, 222 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: gave up town runs, but they did come back and 223 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: be Puerto Rico in that game. There's a slim chance, 224 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: I guess, some chance that he would be available to 225 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: pitch in the semi finals Monday night against Venezuela or 226 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: if they reached the final Tuesday night. What are your 227 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: thoughts on Sam so far? Did you see any of 228 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: them in that in the tournament? And I gotta hunch 229 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 1: something like this can really boost his confidence a bit. 230 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of the action, admittedly, but I 231 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: have been following the updates. It looked like he cruised 232 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: through the Brazilian team. Their record not so hot, but nevertheless, 233 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 2: you know those are good quality innings. It seems like 234 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 2: he's really His name is out there quite a bit 235 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: more through this tournament, giving interviews and other things, very passionate. 236 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: I think that especially some of these other countries take 237 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: this very very seriously. I think we do to some extent, 238 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: but maybe not quite as much as the others. But 239 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 2: I think the question for you is, I mean, the 240 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: WBC has been going on, I guess started in two 241 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: thousand and six, so we're on what's six iteration or so, 242 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: do you think this tournament is fully formed, has come 243 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: into its own you know, is this the year that 244 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: really defines it? 245 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think the end of the last WBC, when 246 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: show Hey struck out Mike Trout in the tournament and 247 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: clinched the win for Japan, sort of catapulted the WBC 248 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: into this year's tournament. And I think it was perfectly 249 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: positioned as a lead into the Olympics in twenty twenty eight. 250 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: And some of these teams are earning automatic berths in 251 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: the Olympics, so that's huge. I think the passion has 252 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: always been there from the teams in Latin America and 253 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: the Caribbean, you know, watching the Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Mexico, 254 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico. These teams are so into it. I mean, 255 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: you have Keith k Hernandez saying he'd almost rather win 256 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: in the WBC than a World Series. Juliu Rodriguez the 257 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: Seattle Star said the same thing over the weekend. So 258 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: I do think, yeah, I know you're shaking your head, 259 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: and I agree. I before the last WBC, I really 260 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: and I've covered a lot of it over the years. 261 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: I just didn't think the Americans took it that seriously. 262 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: But I think the pride factor definitely started kicking in, 263 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: and you know, it's certainly elevated. I don't know if 264 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: it'll I don't think it'll ever replace the World Series. 265 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: We'll see what happens in the Olympics, but I definitely 266 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: think the tournament is definitely elevated. And we saw that 267 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: in the LA Time Sunday Morning Bill Plashki, who admittedly 268 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: had watched I think one batter, one inning of the WBC, 269 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: He's sold. He's like, I'm all in. You know, this 270 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: is great. So I think it's definitely taken a huge 271 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: step forward this year, and I think the Olympics are 272 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: just going to make an even bigger tournament in the future, 273 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: from the WBC through the World Series to the World 274 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: Cup to NASCAR in IndyCar With Fox One, You'll get 275 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: it all live. Start your seven day free trial today. 276 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: Offers are subject to change. Download Fox one today and 277 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: stream the World Baseball Classic Live. Go to foxwe dot 278 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: com for complete terms and conditions Fox one Streaming. Now, 279 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: let's turn our attention out of Robert Stevenson, the reliever 280 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: who suffered another elbow injury that, let's be frank, does 281 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: not look good at all. Stevenson said, the concern right 282 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: now is for the state of my UCO and my flexer. 283 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to see if there is a way we 284 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: can rehab this thing and be able to pitch this year. 285 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: But I don't know what it looks like now. I 286 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: remember Stevenson had Timmy John surgery and tooth twenty twenty 287 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: four and armissions that prevented him from pitching for most 288 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five. He's now the third year of 289 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: a three year, thirty three million dollar contract, and as 290 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: he told Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register, it's heartbreaking, 291 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: steven Sid said, his voice cracking. It's three years and 292 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: I've got ten innings to my name. It sucks. I 293 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: just want to be on the field. Ah. You know, God, 294 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: how many times on the show we said, Oh, it 295 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: looks like Robert Stevenson is going to be healthy, and 296 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: that's gonna be a huge addition to the bullpen. I 297 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: would you know. When I hear the letters UCL and 298 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: the term flex are ten and together, my first thought 299 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: is Tommy John surgery. I can think there's maybe two guys. 300 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: I know. One of them. Irvan Santana had a spring 301 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: ligament in his elbow. He somehow pitched through it in 302 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. Is pretty good. Most guys don't 303 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: pitch through this thing. Mark, how do you read this 304 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: situation on how big of a blow to the Angels 305 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: bullpen are they looking at? 306 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: This is not good. There's no way to it other 307 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: than that. I feel very bad for him. He is 308 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: saying all the right things, and you can tell getting emotional, 309 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: and I can commiserate to some degree. The end of 310 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,360 Speaker 2: my career was severely hampered by a knee injury, and 311 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: at a certain point you just can't overpower it. I'm sure, 312 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: especially with some of the stuff this spring. I did 313 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 2: allude to it on one of the episodes. A lot 314 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:28,399 Speaker 2: of skepticism because the injuries have accumulated and sometimes you 315 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: just cannot stop the bleeding literally, I guess. But when 316 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: it comes to him, the stuff is fantastic when he's 317 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: out there. He said to himself ten innings total. I 318 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: think he feels like he has not lived up to 319 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: this contract and not contributed anywhere near what he feels 320 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 2: like he should have for the amount of money that 321 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: they committed to him. But it seems like they knowingly 322 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 2: signed a guy with arm issues due to the structuring 323 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: of the contract in the additional year if he were 324 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: to blow out. So is this the situation, you know, 325 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: is anyone to blame? I mean, what do you think 326 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: do you do you sign a guy to this contract 327 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: if you are skeptical for that amount of money. 328 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't just the injury issues for me. When you 329 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: look at Robert's track record, and this is not to 330 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: demean him or diminish them in any way, he really 331 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: kind of had that really good year the year before 332 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: the Angel signed him. It was kind of a breakout year. 333 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: You can't deny the stuff. We saw it in just 334 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: a couple of appearances last year. But yeah, thirty three 335 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: million for a non closing reliever is a lot. Whether 336 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: he had those issues or not. So yeah, I think 337 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: there's definitely, you know, there's so many risks you can 338 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: take with these guys. And even though you wouldn't think 339 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: thirty three million would blow a massive hole when you're 340 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: talking about budgets, you know, anal payrolls of two hundred 341 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: million plus, it's still a big bite out of your bullpen. Now, 342 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: the Angels do have two veterans with close experience in 343 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: Kirby Yates and Jordan Romano. But until Ben Joyce returns 344 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: and you know, God, cross your fingers and hold your breath, 345 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: there could there be a sleeper candidate maybe to close 346 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: that we're not thinking about right now. 347 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 2: Mark sam Bachman having an excellent spring. I've always liked 348 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 2: his stuff. I think that again, a guy that has 349 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: struggled with some health issues, but when he's out there, 350 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: I have confidence that he's going to do a nice job. 351 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: He does. The stuff is definitely there. He attack hitters. 352 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: It's it's tired of saying it's a matter of staying healthy, 353 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 2: but it is the truth. I think his stuff is 354 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 2: as good, actually, I think it's better than the other two. 355 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 2: Yates has had a mediocre spring and Romano's numbers are 356 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 2: pretty good. Neither of them have pitched all that much, 357 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: so I'm sure that they are starting to formulate some opinions. 358 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 2: I'd hope they are starting to formulate some opinions as usual, 359 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: you know, they play their cards. The Angels and manager 360 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: Kurt Suzuki. It's not giving anything away, nor should he 361 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: probably would be nice for fans and us be able 362 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 2: to say definitively one way or the other. But maybe 363 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: it is up for grabs, which is interesting because some 364 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: of these roster moves are a little bit intriguing with 365 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: you know, we can get into it, but some guys 366 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 2: have had excellent springs and they are not with the 367 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: big league club anymore. 368 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we have one of those big roster moves 369 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: over the weekend was Christian Moore getting demoted. Pretty good 370 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: indication that Adam Fraser has either won the second base 371 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: job or he's closing in on it. Mark, what did 372 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: you think of this move and could reflect some kind 373 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: of shift in organizational philosophy? 374 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 2: I think it could. I In recent years we've seen 375 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 2: you know, very aggressive with the younger players, and here's 376 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: one and Bremner as well, slow rolled his debut into spring. 377 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: He pitched single inning and he was reassigned to minor 378 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 2: league camp wherever that is. That's a ball or double 379 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 2: a yet to be seen. It look like he and 380 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: by the wording, and there was a lot to go 381 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: off of, but it was the third pitch, the slider 382 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: for him work in progress, and I'm assuming they saw 383 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: someone who needed maybe a lot more refinement. A clip 384 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 2: with Mike Maddox came out yesterday that the Angels, But 385 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 2: that was really cool to see nice Spanish out of Mike. 386 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: He's probably practiced it for a long time, but he 387 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: seemed like you not. Even the tips I saw that 388 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 2: he gave were stuff that really translates. They're not super complex, 389 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: not hard to understand. One of them was releasing the 390 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 2: ball out in front of your nose. That's something a 391 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: pitcher can get right away. When it comes to Christian Moore, 392 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 2: his well, his numbers are lousy. He didn't have a 393 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: good showing with the bat. I haven't seen a single 394 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 2: at bat from him, so I don't know what his 395 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: swing looks like. I will try and track something down, 396 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: maybe an iPhone video or something, but I don't know 397 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: what he's doing. I don't know what his approaches. Maybe 398 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: there was an off season change to the swing or whatever. 399 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 2: Either way, sub two hundred average maybe one seventy five 400 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: ish and Fraser hitting nearly three seventy and a veteran 401 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: and a left handed bat as we covered, So you know. 402 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: In addition, Grissom is still with the club. I think 403 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: maybe that's a contractual thing. I haven't seen much from him, 404 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 2: appeared in the limited bats. I saw to have someone 405 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: of a launch angle swing. I think everyone knows what 406 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: that means by now, But interesting there. Praza has had 407 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: a great spring, lightening it up. So maybe competing for 408 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: the starting third base job. What do you think? 409 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, I like this move just to 410 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: maybe take a little pressure off Christian Moore. You know, 411 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: they probably rushed him up to the big leagues last year. 412 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: You know, let him start in the minor leagues, trip 413 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: a A, whatever. Just let him get his feet under him, 414 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: let him get a month or two of at bats 415 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: and you know, get some confidence. Because if you start 416 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: him in the big leagues this year and he's sitting 417 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: in like one thirty after three weeks, then you're sending 418 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: him down with just nothing but disappointment and angst and 419 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, kicking himself. So I think it's the right play. 420 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: He needs to develop more in the minor leagues. Now. 421 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: We talked about on our last show with Fletch, just 422 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: the plethor of infielders that are probably going to be 423 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 1: on this roster. So I don't know, it sets up 424 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: an interest situation. I love that Fraser's bat in left handed. 425 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: They do need left handed bats in that lineup. I talked, 426 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,959 Speaker 1: I think on the last show about maybe Peraza, because 427 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Moncata is not as strong from the right side, platooning 428 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: at third base, but maybe he platoons at second base 429 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: with Fraser and you know, plays a lot of third 430 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: base too. If he's one of your better bats, you know, 431 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: as almost more of a super utility guy, why not 432 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: get him in the lineup as much as he can. 433 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: You think Fraser can play full time every day at 434 00:23:55,400 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: his age. I don't know, probably can, but you know, 435 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: maybe pacing him out and having more of a platoon 436 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: might be good at second base. What do you think? 437 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 2: I agree four to five times a week would be 438 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: my gut reaction. But he I'm sure capable will playing more. 439 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: That's something that I learned a long time ago, but 440 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: every day major league players are usually built very sturdy, 441 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: and guys that are not everyday players, if given sometimes 442 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: a bigger sample size, you'll see why they're not everyday players. 443 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 2: Fraser is the guy that has been there and done 444 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 2: it before at his age, I think it would be 445 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 2: best to spread it out a little bit. And if 446 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 2: Moncott is raking, then he's going to be the everyday 447 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: third basement. That's pretty simple. He's got the most power 448 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: by far, pretty good on base percentage, and hopefully the 449 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: defense last year was just kind of a fluke because 450 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: I think he's a little bit better than what. 451 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: He showed now. Jeff Passim, the outstanding baseball writer for ESPN, 452 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: had a passage in his Monster preview of all thirty 453 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: teams the other day, and when he got to the Angels, 454 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: had an interesting observation about one read Debt Meers, and 455 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: he set up his preview for every team he had 456 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: a bull faced lead and it wouldn't surprise me if 457 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: dot dot dot, and for the Angels it's read Debtmer's 458 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: moves back to the bullpen and leads the Angels in saves. 459 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 1: The Angels are trying Debtmers as a starter again this spring, 460 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: a move that is understandable at some point, though the 461 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: reality of Detmo's five year career is that he's a 462 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: Middlings starting pitcher but was excellent last year as a reliever. 463 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 1: Sometimes guys are who they are, and if Debtmer's is 464 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: an exclamation point in one role and a question mark 465 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: in the other, the Angels need to follow strunk In 466 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: White's advice and punctuate properly. A kudos to Jeff for 467 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: his knowledge of grammar in the English language. I really 468 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: love that. I don't necessarily disagree with Jeff passing here, 469 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: but I do think the Angels need to give Reed 470 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: Debtmers a runway as a starter. You know, they drafted 471 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 1: him in the first round. He took one for the 472 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: team and moved to the bullpen, but you know he's 473 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: a starter at heart. And let's face it, you know, 474 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: the money you can make as a relatively you know, 475 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: middle of the rotation starter so far outweighs what you 476 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: can make in free agency as a as even an 477 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: elite setup man that you know, for his career and 478 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 1: his career earnings, I think they do owe it to him. 479 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: To give him a pretty long, pretty big chance. Just 480 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: as an example, I looked up Chris Bassett, pretty solid, 481 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: you know, maybe two, maybe three, maybe four depending on 482 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: the rotation. Always known as an innings eaters. Once he 483 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: hit free agency, he averaged twenty point three million in 484 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: four years of free agency. Blake Tryning, elite setup man 485 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: for the Dodgers. Once he hit free agency, he averaged 486 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: eight point one five million a year in seven years. 487 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: So I don't know what you know. I know we 488 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: don't like to focus too much on money, but you know, 489 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: these guys, it's their careers and they need to maximize 490 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: as much as they can during their playing days. What 491 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: are your thoughts on this? 492 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 2: I think it's up to read. I think that the 493 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: ball is in his court. They've given him. To be honest, 494 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 2: I think we may differ a little bit in an opinion. 495 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: I think he's had substantial runway to do what he 496 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 2: needs to do. I think, more than anything, when I 497 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 2: watch him, and I am a big fan of his, 498 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 2: I think that he has really good stuff. He seems 499 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 2: mild mannered, soft spoken. I'd like to see him amp 500 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: it up a little bit. Take charge of your career. 501 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 2: I don't know who's calling his pitches, but it should 502 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: be him. It seems like there's some doubt at times 503 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: as to what to throw, what to do. I think 504 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 2: Mike Maddox is probably a perfect guy to get with 505 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 2: him and say, look, you know you're not a green 506 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 2: first year guy anymore. You've been here, you've done this 507 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 2: for a while. Now, like, let's get it going. The 508 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 2: stuff was there. The stuff was there in the bullpen, 509 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 2: and I think what Jeff Passen was almost certainly getting 510 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 2: out with is a Zach Britton type situation. I don't 511 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: know if Josh Hater was ever a starter, but thinking 512 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: left hand and thinking that Devers and Zach started for 513 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: parts of three seasons with the Orioles before converting and 514 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 2: went on to be a All Star closer for many years. 515 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 2: Incredibly nasty stuff. Fortunately I was on his team, not 516 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 2: on the team's trying to hit him. But you can 517 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: earn a lot of money. If we're talking money, I'm 518 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: not sure the Angels are dying to pay through the 519 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: nose for a starting pitcher. It's not really in their DNA. 520 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 2: But Reid could maximize, and with pitching, it's when do 521 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 2: you do it? Timing if he were to take off 522 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 2: and have an excellent year, his stock could rise enormously. 523 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 2: And I don't believe he's a free agent at year's end. 524 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: This year probably be the following. But yeah, if he 525 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 2: times it right and then everything clicks, he could make 526 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: a fortune. But you can also make a lot of 527 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: money being a very good especially closers make a lot 528 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 2: more than a setup man. Now just you know, a 529 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: regular reliever. No, that's probably worst case scenario for Reid, 530 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 2: but I think he needs to get after it and 531 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: pound the strike zone. Stop messing around with these guys. 532 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: Your stuff is better then, especially these bottom of the 533 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: order bats, Go right at them, put them away. Three 534 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: pitches or less would be ideal. I know it's not 535 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: always realistic, but that would be my message there. 536 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: Speaking of big stuff, Fangraphs came out with a pretty 537 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: interesting chart last week that ranked Spring training starting pitchers 538 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: by stuff. I have no idea how this is calculated, 539 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: but on top of the list was the Angels number 540 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: nineteen prospect, a twenty two year old right hander named 541 00:29:52,720 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: Wilbert Urinya. Mark. Did you see this chart? And what 542 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: do you know about this kid? He's their number nineteen prospect, 543 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: so he's at least on the radar as opposed to 544 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: many Ramirez a kid and some of the WBC guys 545 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned in previous shows. But you've done some studying 546 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: on this kid. Is this stuff legit stuff? 547 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 2: Plus is a saber metric model that evaluates the nastiness 548 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: of a pitcher's arsenal. So there you go, velocity, spin rate. 549 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: It measures movement vertical and horizontal release point, and essentially 550 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: does try to quantify how nasty a guy's pitches are. 551 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 2: It separates fastball, breaking ball, change up, assigns a score. 552 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: An average offering is rated as one hundred, So if 553 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: you see plus ten percent, it's very good, so one ten. 554 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: If you see anything that's under one hundred, it starts 555 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: to trend towards a below average pitch. So when you're 556 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 2: formulating pitch usage for guys and what he should be 557 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 2: throwing more of or less of useful stat I think 558 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 2: what I was reading it's it's more designed to get 559 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: to the point quicker than maybe some of the more 560 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: traditional accounting stats, especially for relievers who don't always qualify 561 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 2: because they don't have enough innings pitched, number of pitches, YadA, YadA. 562 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: So hopefully that was a decent explanation of the stat itself. 563 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 2: Now about mister Uranya, why is he not rated higher 564 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 2: in the Angels prospects, Well, that would probably be because 565 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 2: of his enormous walk rate. His command has been very bad, 566 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 2: and I watched some of the YouTube clips I could find. 567 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: I thought he was I don't know why. I thought 568 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 2: he was a bigger guy. He's six feet yeah, yeah, 569 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 2: so more of a compact I hate say it, but 570 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 2: shorter pitcher. I mean, there's a lot of big dudes, 571 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 2: and when you see I think of Stroman probably first 572 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 2: and foremost, and when I was watching him, kind of 573 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: short arms the ball and it does seem to have 574 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: a little bit of deception. He throws very hard, which 575 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: is probably the stuff. Plus STAT takes that into account. 576 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: All his pitches are hard, so his fastball can get 577 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: up to one hundred and two. I think this spring 578 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: he's been ninety eight, ninety nine. But he's a guy 579 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 2: that is doing it with a lot of the horizontal movement, 580 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: so he doesn't strike out a ton of hitters, which 581 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: is intriguing because you see, you know those raw numbers, 582 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: and it's like, well you must punch everybody out. Well 583 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 2: he doesn't, so why is that? And you know, the 584 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: hitters will let you know. I saw a very good 585 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: change up in the videos I saw, and I once 586 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 2: for a while I saw a mediocre at best breaking ball. 587 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: But he does throw it very hard, so the raw 588 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: stuff may may kind of do that. I think Vangrafts 589 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: hasn't pinned for a twenty twenty seven debut, so for 590 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: those getting very excited, maybe he'll beat that. If you 591 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 2: know his late season. He did have a nice end 592 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 2: to last season, so maybe that'll vault him. 593 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: The twenty aid. 594 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 2: Command they put on him would be the big asterisk. 595 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 2: That is as low as it gets. 596 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: That's a brand. 597 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 2: That is why there will there should be caution because 598 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 2: big league hitters in general have a lot better idea 599 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: of the strike zone than double A hitters. For example, 600 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 2: they won't swing it. And for him especially, I saw 601 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 2: too many pitches that were not competitive out of the hand, 602 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 2: meaning they weren't even hard takes. They're just balls. And 603 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 2: if he can refine that, he doesn't have to be 604 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: one of those guys that gets you out in the zone. 605 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 2: For Landers Shuz or some of those guys the elite 606 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: of elite gets you out in the zone. He can 607 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 2: be a guy that gets you out with strikes to balls, 608 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: those types of chases, but they have to start relatively 609 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: looking like strikes. They can't just be a mile off. 610 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: All right. We will close the show with that. Thanks 611 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: for tuning in today. Please like and subscribe, and we'll 612 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: see you next time on Halo Territory.