WEBVTT - A Firsthand Account of the Inauguration & Trump's First Days 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:04.960 Cool Zone Media. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:09.080 Oh, welcome back to It Could Happen Here, a show 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.760 where it's now happening here, A thing that we've said 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.680 in a joking way a number of times, but now 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:19.120 it just is this is, you know, a podcast. We're 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.520 having a good time. I'm Robert Garrison Davis, my co 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.840 host colleague, and today we're talking about Trump's inauguration with 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:30.080 a good friend of ours who was present at the 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.040 thing itself, Bridget Todd. Bridget, Welcome to the program. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:34.920 Thank you for having me. 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.480 It's actually my first time on It Could Happen Here. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.080 I'm like a little like nervous. I hope it goes well. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:44.360 Yeah, you're an og guest over on Bastard, so it's 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.199 about time we had you on here. How are you feeling, Bridget, 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:49.440 Just in general before we get into the specifics, how 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:51.720 are you doing in the first full day of this 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:52.200 new era? 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:52.720 Oh? 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.120 Not great, Bob, not great, not great, not great? 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:57.000 Yeah, bad. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.760 Like we were talking off Mike, like I need to 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.640 figure out a self care plan. And part of this 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.120 is on me that I feel like I am one 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:06.600 of those people that has kind of checked out a 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:09.480 little bit, and I'm like ough hoo, I'm I gotta 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.679 take a step back from this, and now that I'm 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:13.720 taking a step back in, I'm like, I need a 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.200 plan for how I'm going to pace myself and not 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:18.640 lose my fucking shit every fucking day. 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.119 Yeah, it's probably not for the best that. Like, right 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.320 at the same time as this has all happened, the 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:25.959 people who make gas station drugs have figured out how 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:28.959 to take the chemicals and kretom, which you know in 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.200 leaf forms is generally safe drug, and hyper concentrate them 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:36.880 into basically fucking heroin. So I'm just working on staying 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.480 away from that shit too much of the news, you know, 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:40.840 that's the way you gotta do it. 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:45.040 I'm also doing dry January and trying to eat healthy. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:48.960 I'm not doing that so I have no outlets. I 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.120 can't drink, I'm not I don't do drugs. I'm fucking 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:55.280 eating lentil soup every night. I got nothing. There's nothing 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:55.600 I can. 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:56.000 Do to cope. 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.800 I'm keeping myself, okay, I by just eating venison every 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.120 single day. 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:05.200 But yeah, I'm carrying on our Vegas tradition and I've 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:06.080 moved into gambling. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:06.640 Hie. 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.079 Oh you're gambling now, huh. 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.960 Not actually, but instead of doing something stupid for inauguration day, 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.560 me and my friends got together and all played anarchist poker, 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:19.480 so that was that was fun. I lost about ten 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.600 dollars to my friends, so that's it. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:22.240 That's fair. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.640 How often did you say I hardly know it? 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:26.400 Like about about four times? 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.079 Yeah, that's that's the right amount of fat. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.200 But we also got quite drunk by the time we 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.120 started our second game. I was also dressed like Data 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.000 from the next generation, complete with silver face paint the 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.960 entire time and a poker visor. So that was that 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:44.360 was how I spent yesterday. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.720 I'm glad you got to experience the hell that that 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.840 actor experience. Bridget Let's talk about the inauguration. Let's do 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.480 it all right, So I kind of coming in firsthand. 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.440 When did you sort of lock down your plans to 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:57.480 actually be there? 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.680 So initially my plan was to get at a town 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.840 total I'm gonna go out to Yeah. 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.480 I'm gonna hide on the mountains with a rifle like that. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.360 You're joking, but like almost no, no, no, I'm not joking, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:14.440 And I mean I was in So I live in 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.120 d C. Lived in DC most of my life. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:20.400 I was in DC in my apartment when January sixth happened, 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:24.959 and I remember being so scared there was a curfew 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:26.040 in DC, like. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:28.440 It just shit got really real really quickly. 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.600 I remember I was on a all staff like the 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.600 beginning of the year, planning work call, and somebody just 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:39.040 on the zoom was like, hey, something's happening, and everybody 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.600 who lives in DC should maybe check the TV, and 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:43.680 then the line went dead. 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:45.360 That's what I remember the most. 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:47.960 So I was planning on getting out of town, and 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:51.080 then I thought, fuck it, why should these people drive 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:52.920 me out of my own city. I want to be 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:54.240 out on the streets. I want to be out in 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.960 my community. I want to be connected. And so yeah, 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.160 I went out to the People's March protest. I went 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:03.840 out as far as I could to Inauguration downtown just 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:05.640 to get a sense of what the vibes were. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.640 Yeah, all right, well let's let's get into the vibes. 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:09.400 How were they? 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:11.040 Weird as hell? 0:04:13.040 --> 0:04:16.200 This is something that I think people might not really 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.479 think about a lot. So like being from DC living 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.520 here most of my life, people really obviously think of 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:23.720 it as like a seat of national power, and they 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.080 sometimes forget that there are over six hundred thousand DC 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:29.800 residents who just like live here, work here, have their 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:32.599 lives here, and so this stuff all plays out like 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.080 practically in our backyards. While arguably we have less electoral 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:39.800 political power and less agency in some ways because DC 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:43.159 is not a state. Yeah yeah, yeah, our congressional representative 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.560 Eleanor Holmes Norton, she can like vote in committees and 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.320 introduce legislation and stuff like that, but she can't vote, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:54.239 and so all of this matters for It's dude, don't 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:55.440 even get me started. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.960 Like I could talk about statehood all day long. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.479 That's like such a funny shit the compromise, like you 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.560 can you could be there and like talk, but you 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:08.839 can't do anything like you I'm sorry, that's just so 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:10.680 fucked up it is. 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.640 And it's like a I mean, like, there are so 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.320 many reasons why it sucks that DC's not a state, 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.400 but ultimately it's like we deserve to have political power. 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:20.520 We deserve to have a say. 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:24.760 Why Yoming Estate? Have you ever fucking been to y good? God? 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.560 Like, And I mean I could talk all day when 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.559 Republican lawmakers get on TV, and I remember they would 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.440 shit on DC by saying things like there's not even 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.800 laggers who live there. It's not even a real place, 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.880 like as if the only way to actually meaningfully exist 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.360 in the United States, it's like you have to have 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.640 laggers who live there, Like it's so infuriating. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.360 And none of those motherfuckers know a lagger I know. 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:56.760 So all of this background really matters to Trump's kind 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:00.960 of tense relationship with DC, like the district. Trump, as 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.320 y'all might remember, spent quite a lot of time just 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:08.480 talking straight shit about the district and announcing these like 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:11.720 big plans to take over DC. The background is a 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:13.839 little bit complicated, but the quick and dirty version is 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.360 that DC has what's called home rule. So that's like 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.520 the ability for DC to govern, like for our local 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.080 government and leaders to like make decisions about what happens 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.159 to the district. And on the campaign trail, Trump was 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.839 saying he wants to change this, that DC's home rule 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.840 would be revoked and that the federal government basically him 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.480 would dictate how DC is run as a city. Because 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:37.479 DC is not a state, technically, any president could have 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.280 that authority to interfere with how DC is run, so right, yeah, 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.320 any president could like take over the police Department and 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.920 take over the powers are Mayor Muriel Bowser currently has 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:48.640 over the city. 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.920 Yeah, so I guess, first off, like of your friends, 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:55.839 how many folks kind of made the same call, Like 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.120 what was the general decision? Because I'm looking at like 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.880 footage of Proud Boys marching through fucking DC again for 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:04.720 the first time in almost half a decade, and like, yeah, 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.040 where are the people you know on this kind of stuff? 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.679 I mean this in the most literal sense, nobody zero. 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.000 I was out there flying solo and I had multiple 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.160 friends and be like, you're crazy to go down there, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.040 like like everybody. Yeah, And I guess that's something else 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:20.880 that I wanted to talk a bit about, which is that, 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.120 you know, the first time around, during Trump's inauguration, I 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.880 was like out on the streets, I was like, it 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:28.280 sounds so silly now. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.560 But like, ugh, I almost only want to get into it. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.720 But the idea of like resist that had not yet 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.800 become a cliche to me, and in the you know, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.880 aftermath of Trump's first election, I was really clinging to 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.160 that for like whatever hope or power. I didn't know 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:45.360 it was going to turn out to be like a 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:49.120 bunch of grifters. And like people saying like hashtag resist 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.160 and like meeting nothing yea. At the time, I really 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:56.680 clung to that this time around total night and day difference, 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.640 like yeah, and I think the mood on the street 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:04.160 I think reflected that I think that DC is exhausted. 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:08.080 The people that generally I know who are like radicals 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:09.640 who would be out on the street, A lot of 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.560 those people were like, we're sitting this one out. Yep. Yeah, 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.960 that was like a refrain I hear from a lot 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.920 of black and brown organizing folks here in DC, like 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:20.240 this is not our fight. We are sitting this one out. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.960 And I don't blame anybody, right, Like it's a lot. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.080 We've all been through a lot. 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.560 Yeah, And that's I guess if I could get across 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.760 something and people listen, it would be like, don't just 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:35.600 show up because they are right now. They have the cops, 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:39.280 they have the courts. If they want you to show 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.520 up in the street, the best thing to do. Sometimes 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.160 I'm not going to say this is going to be 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.800 consistently the case, but is like, don't give them what 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.120 they want, don't be where they want you to be, 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:53.320 don't make it simple for them, you know, Again, I 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.160 keep trying to say, and I'm not saying this, and 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.720 like I'm so smart, I know what everyone needs to 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:00.240 be doing. I don't. But it's like, not what we 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.840 did last time, because that that just didn't didn't do 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.480 it exactly, didn't do it all, didn't not get out 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.640 of the park won the home run. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.040 The last time Trump was in office, y'all remember like 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.800 the Women's March and pussy hats and all of that. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.760 I actually staffed the Women's March that time around. I 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:20.520 was one of the digital street team folks. So I 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.880 was like very invested. This time around, they changed the name, 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.040 they rebranded to the People's March, and they only had 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.200 a couple of thousand people out there, And so, you know, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.080 I think it really goes back to what you were saying, Robert. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:37.120 Personally, I have a hard time. 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.760 With the idea that what we did then is what 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.720 we should be doing now that that that that playbook 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:43.199 is still. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:43.560 Going to work. 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.800 And frankly, like sixty nine percent of white women voted 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:48.960 for Trump, right, and so like the idea that I 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.840 would feel safe and feel solidarity with a bunch of 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.720 women out on the streets, like being like Boo Trump, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.360 it just like it's I understand why the turnout was 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.959 so low. I feel like folid ality march on the 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.400 street is clearly not where we're at, So that is 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:05.880 not how we should be meeting this moment. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.600 Well, and even last Jay twenty there was like a large, 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:13.920 large radical contingent, and those people are similarly sitting out. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.840 And when you're looking towards the next few months, looking 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:18.600 at like what kind of ice rates are going to happen, 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:21.199 looking at what's going to happen for like reproductive healthcare, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:25.760 transgender healthcare, people are making the calculation that it does 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:29.320 not make sense to like needlessly throw yourself against the 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.840 walls of the state when we can stick together and 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.800 see and see what happens and prepare for all of 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.800 those other things that are going to actually impact you 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.320 and people that you know, like seriously. And it sucks 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.079 to be stuck in that reactive position, and there's things 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:49.160 you can do proactively, but going outside and yelling in 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.680 front of a fence probably isn't going to do any 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.440 of those things. It's probably not going to help the 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.360 people who are going to need help in the next 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.920 few weeks. Yeah, and people are understanding that and it's 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.760 leading to people reacting quite differently than than what they did, 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:04.200 you know eight years ago. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.920 I agree, Yeah, I mean Garrison, you really said it. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.920 And in this moment personally, I am really wondering, like 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.679 what my role is, Like where could I fit in. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:18.280 There was a time where you know, just being out 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.880 on the street yelling, like being so frustrated I have 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.880 to take to the streets and scream in impotent rage. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.520 That would feel like something. And I just think in 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.480 twenty twenty five, I have to figure out like what 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.880 it is I can contribute and contribute that. And I 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:34.200 don't know that it's protest as it used to be, 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.320 Like I used to be somebody who like protest was 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.120 my thing, Like you know, I really got my start 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.480 in the anti war movement when I was in college, 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.000 and like that felt like something. I don't think that 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:45.880 that's what it is for me anymore. Maybe it's just 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:47.760 age too, you age out of it or something. 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.400 Sure, I think some of it is that, like the 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:56.080 only meaningful definition of intelligence really is the ability to 0:11:56.160 --> 0:12:00.920 adapt to changing circumstances. And when the circum stances change 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:02.680 in the way that they have and you're like, well, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.360 time to do exactly what we tried in twenty seventeen. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:08.960 That is not intelligent, right, Like I'm not trying to 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.880 be mean. And again I'm not saying I know what 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.240 the smart thing is, but it is we gotta be pivoting. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.800 We gotta pivot in a lot of different directions right now. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.480 So yes, and I don't know that I see some 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.000 of the institutional powers that be, even people who are 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.160 like ostensibly like on our side, doing that pivot. Right, 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:30.280 Like I'm now very much in this sort of like 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.960 nonprofit industrial complex. All the organizations who were like, oh, well, 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.520 where should we be put in our money and this 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.000 and that the first time around, I just see them 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:39.040 doing the same old thing. 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.400 And it's like, I don't know that that is what's 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:42.200 gonna save us. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.520 And like, don't get me started on how useless the 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:46.760 Democrats are, because they'll go all day. But like when 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.960 Trump announced that he was moving the inauguration inside, they 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.720 printed little joky shirts that said snowflake. 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.600 I'm just so sick of that, Like that sort of like. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:13:03.040 Sneering, dunking, useless that doesn't translate to meaningful action. 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:04.920 I'm just so sick of it. I wanted to gouge 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:05.440 my eyes out. 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.480 Yes, yeah, I mean that's what's in part what lost 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.520 of the election is that is that general attitude and 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:14.920 that conception of them throughout the country. And yeah, getting 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.400 your little like snide remarks during Haig's EST's confirmation hearing 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:20.760 might make you feel good and might generate a good 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.679 clip for social media, but is that actually going to 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.000 stop him from getting into the cabinet position. 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.199 I've had so many arguments about this with people over 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.360 the last few days who still insist that, like what 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.559 the fascists can't stand you making fun of them. That's 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.440 what they hate is you laughing at them. And like, 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.319 I think there was a stage at which that was 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.280 a valid tactic, and you know, there may be elements 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.079 of that in the future, but like, no, they don't care. 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.680 They're winning. I'm not saying, like, don't fucking make jokes 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.079 with your friends to like keep your sell self sane. 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:54.560 I'm saying, don't mistake dunking on them on social media 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.040 for doing anything that matters, because it doesn't Well. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.320 Okay, I'm not even sure, Like I have so much 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.439 to say about this, so I have been saying this 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:04.760 for a. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:05.520 Very long time. 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.960 And you know, we were all at the Democratic National Convention. 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.559 I have did admit that I was there as an influencer. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.720 But the thing that annoyed me so much was like 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:19.360 that exact sentiment, and that exact sentiment fucking lost. The 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.640 thing that the thing that pisses me off now is 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.760 the complete unwillingness to be like, where did we go wrong? 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.960 Maybe the memes and the jokes and the calling them 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:30.800 weird and then this and that that. Maybe it felt 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.880 good in the moment, but it actually didn't translate what happened. 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.800 Unwilling to do that, completely unwilling you know. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.560 You see, I would almost argue that, like the weird stuff, 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:42.640 I think if they'd stuck with it, there was something there. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.920 I think the I think the the emphasizing how outside 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.920 of like the American norm these guys were and like 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:52.960 what we want to accept in our communities, Like there 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.400 was something there, but they didn't stick to it. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:55.600 You know. 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.040 The next big time we saw Tim Walls, he was 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.920 talking about how how he wanted to be friends with JD. 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.920 Vance on the fucking debates. Yes, yeah, you know, but 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:05.760 also I think that's a little different than just like 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:09.480 calling him fucking Orange, Mussolini or whatever the fuck. Like, 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.320 I think there's a point in a messaging tactic. It's 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:15.840 like Trump gets mileage out of the names he uses 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.920 and the way in which that's part of how he 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.800 got where he is. So I'm not saying that aspects 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:22.840 of these tactics can't be used. Well, I'm talking about 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.320 the way in which people liberals and folks on the 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.760 left are continuing to do the fucking like drump shit 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.160 that's not getting us anywhere. 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.480 I could not agree more. And yeah, I mean I agree. 0:15:34.520 --> 0:15:37.520 I think the weird stuff could have like had legs. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.320 I think that they were kind of like scattershot at 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:41.960 that point, and they were like, let's tell people seem 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:43.760 to like this, let's lean into this, oh, this new thing, 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:44.400 let's lean into that. 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:44.800 Yeah. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:47.120 The thing that I remember very clearly was when Tim 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.400 Walls was talking about how, oh, we have a saying 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.640 in Minnesota it's mind your own damn business. Yes, yes, yeah, 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.280 so like my partner is from Minnesota, and he was like, oh, 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:00.920 that is like absolutely a Minnesotan thing, your own damn business. 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:02.200 Yeah, you can sell that. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.520 Yeah, So I agree, But yeah, the like calling Elon 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.640 Elmo like all these little cutesy things might feel good 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.720 and like get to a hit of dopamine and get 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.400 you a few you know, likes on whatever, but it 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.160 just it's not gonna save us. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:18.080 And I'm so sick of it. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.200 I feel like, in some ways it's all anyone has 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.680 to offer right now, and I'm sick of it. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.600 One of the interesting things when like looking back at 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:39.160 the last version of Trump's Jay twenties, you did have 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.920 you know, these large, large militant groups, you know what 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.480 would later probably be dubbed antifa by the media, but 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.120 there was there was a presence in the street. And 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.240 this time around, really the only sizeable militant presence in 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:56.560 the street was like the first return of the Proud Voice. 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:00.880 Did you stumble across a gaggle of of black and 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.320 yellow clad militants in the street. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.800 Not a gaggle, I saw one, lone one. I'm sure. 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:09.800 It was like I've lost my group, like. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.360 A little duck. I had to help a baby duck 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:14.359 get back to its mom. Last year, it was just 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.200 like that, right down to the IQ. 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.200 I have some friends right now who are in the 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:23.320 DC airport and it is chud Central over there. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:26.320 It sounds quite bad. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.720 I I saw a friend posted about like all of 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.320 the Trump merchant they were sitting next to two individuals 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.639 debating race science in the airport terminal. So that is 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.360 the vibes of the DC airport as of as of Tuesday, 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:45.040 the day after the inauguration. But yeah, like the return 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.240 of the Proud Boys is like one one of the 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.280 big things that I think we're gonna we're gonna see 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.800 these next few weeks is the amount of all right 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:55.160 militias or these you know, more like street gang type 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.160 groups who've been so emboldened by by Trump essentially giving 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.880 them permission to do whatever they want to now now 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:03.360 that they know that they're not going to face any 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.560 kind of like real legal repercussions for you know, carrying 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.800 out whatever actions they want to against the people of color, 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:10.960 queer people, et cetera. 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:13.960 And that's going to be interesting to see. Like this 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.440 is certainly a sign that suggests some embrace, But I'm 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:20.720 kind of wondering if we're looking back to the Nazis 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:24.560 the ogs. What the Nazis did was marginalize and actually 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:28.119 purge a lot of these guys fairly quickly. Because the 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.520 folks that were the best at like rabble rousing and 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.359 fighting in the streets, were also kind of like the 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:37.280 least reliable at helping to keep a stable system in 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.000 the city. Right Like after the Nazis took power, one 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:41.680 of the big issues they had is like, we still 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:43.320 have a lot of people who are kind of like 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.920 in the middle, including most of the military, and one 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.680 of the things that keeps scaring them is all these 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.639 fucking goons running about. And we still want what the 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.280 goons are doing, which is like certain people beaten and 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:57.040 thrown in camps, but we don't want the goons doing it. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.480 We want the cops doing it. And I guess kind 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.480 of we're all waiting to see how different or similar 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:05.160 what comes next looks to that. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:08.119 And I mean, what do you make of Like, I 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:10.960