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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Oh, welcome back to It Could Happen Here, a show

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Speaker 2: where it's now happening here, A thing that we've said

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Speaker 2: in a joking way a number of times, but now

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Speaker 2: it just is this is, you know, a podcast. We're

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Speaker 2: having a good time. I'm Robert Garrison Davis, my co

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Speaker 2: host colleague, and today we're talking about Trump's inauguration with

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Speaker 2: a good friend of ours who was present at the

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Speaker 2: thing itself, Bridget Todd. Bridget, Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: It's actually my first time on It Could Happen Here.

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Speaker 3: I'm like a little like nervous. I hope it goes well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're an og guest over on Bastard, so it's

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Speaker 2: about time we had you on here. How are you feeling, Bridget,

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Speaker 2: Just in general before we get into the specifics, how

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Speaker 2: are you doing in the first full day of this

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Speaker 2: new era?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Not great, Bob, not great, not great, not great?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, bad.

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Speaker 4: Like we were talking off Mike, like I need to

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Speaker 4: figure out a self care plan. And part of this

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Speaker 4: is on me that I feel like I am one

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Speaker 4: of those people that has kind of checked out a

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Speaker 4: little bit, and I'm like ough hoo, I'm I gotta

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Speaker 4: take a step back from this, and now that I'm

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Speaker 4: taking a step back in, I'm like, I need a

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Speaker 4: plan for how I'm going to pace myself and not

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Speaker 4: lose my fucking shit every fucking day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably not for the best that. Like, right

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Speaker 2: at the same time as this has all happened, the

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Speaker 2: people who make gas station drugs have figured out how

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Speaker 2: to take the chemicals and kretom, which you know in

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Speaker 2: leaf forms is generally safe drug, and hyper concentrate them

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Speaker 2: into basically fucking heroin. So I'm just working on staying

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Speaker 2: away from that shit too much of the news, you know,

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Speaker 2: that's the way you gotta do it.

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Speaker 4: I'm also doing dry January and trying to eat healthy.

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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that so I have no outlets. I

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Speaker 4: can't drink, I'm not I don't do drugs. I'm fucking

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Speaker 4: eating lentil soup every night. I got nothing. There's nothing

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Speaker 4: I can.

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Speaker 3: Do to cope.

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Speaker 2: I'm keeping myself, okay, I by just eating venison every

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Speaker 2: single day.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm carrying on our Vegas tradition and I've

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Speaker 1: moved into gambling.

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Speaker 3: Hie.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're gambling now, huh.

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Speaker 1: Not actually, but instead of doing something stupid for inauguration day,

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Speaker 1: me and my friends got together and all played anarchist poker,

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Speaker 1: so that was that was fun. I lost about ten

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Speaker 1: dollars to my friends, so that's it.

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Speaker 5: That's fair.

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Speaker 2: How often did you say I hardly know it?

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Speaker 5: Like about about four times?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the right amount of fat.

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Speaker 1: But we also got quite drunk by the time we

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Speaker 1: started our second game. I was also dressed like Data

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Speaker 1: from the next generation, complete with silver face paint the

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Speaker 1: entire time and a poker visor. So that was that

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Speaker 1: was how I spent yesterday.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you got to experience the hell that that

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Speaker 2: actor experience. Bridget Let's talk about the inauguration. Let's do

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Speaker 2: it all right, So I kind of coming in firsthand.

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Speaker 2: When did you sort of lock down your plans to

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Speaker 2: actually be there?

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Speaker 4: So initially my plan was to get at a town

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Speaker 4: total I'm gonna go out to Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna hide on the mountains with a rifle like that.

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Speaker 3: You're joking, but like almost no, no, no, I'm not joking,

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Speaker 3: And I mean I was in So I live in

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Speaker 4: I was in DC in my apartment when January sixth happened,

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Speaker 4: and I remember being so scared there was a curfew

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Speaker 3: It just shit got really real really quickly.

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Speaker 4: I remember I was on a all staff like the

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Speaker 4: beginning of the year, planning work call, and somebody just

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Speaker 4: then the line went dead.

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Speaker 3: That's what I remember the most.

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Speaker 4: So I was planning on getting out of town, and

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Speaker 4: then I thought, fuck it, why should these people drive

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Speaker 4: my community. I want to be connected. And so yeah,

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Speaker 4: I went out to the People's March protest. I went

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Speaker 4: to get a sense of what the vibes were.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well let's let's get into the vibes.

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Speaker 2: How were they?

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Speaker 3: Weird as hell?

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Speaker 4: This is something that I think people might not really

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Speaker 4: think about a lot. So like being from DC living

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Speaker 4: here most of my life, people really obviously think of

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Speaker 4: it as like a seat of national power, and they

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Speaker 4: sometimes forget that there are over six hundred thousand DC

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Speaker 4: residents who just like live here, work here, have their

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Speaker 4: lives here, and so this stuff all plays out like

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Speaker 4: practically in our backyards. While arguably we have less electoral

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Speaker 4: political power and less agency in some ways because DC

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Speaker 4: is not a state. Yeah yeah, yeah, our congressional representative

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Speaker 4: Eleanor Holmes Norton, she can like vote in committees and

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Speaker 4: and so all of this matters for It's dude, don't

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Speaker 3: Like I could talk about statehood all day long.

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Speaker 2: That's like such a funny shit the compromise, like you

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Speaker 2: can you could be there and like talk, but you

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Speaker 2: can't do anything like you I'm sorry, that's just so

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Speaker 2: fucked up it is.

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Speaker 4: And it's like a I mean, like, there are so

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Speaker 4: many reasons why it sucks that DC's not a state,

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Speaker 4: but ultimately it's like we deserve to have political power.

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Speaker 3: We deserve to have a say.

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Speaker 2: Why Yoming Estate? Have you ever fucking been to y good? God?

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Speaker 4: Like, And I mean I could talk all day when

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Speaker 4: Republican lawmakers get on TV, and I remember they would

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Speaker 4: shit on DC by saying things like there's not even

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Speaker 4: laggers who live there. It's not even a real place,

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Speaker 4: like as if the only way to actually meaningfully exist

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Speaker 4: laggers who live there, Like it's so infuriating.

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Speaker 2: And none of those motherfuckers know a lagger I know.

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Speaker 4: So all of this background really matters to Trump's kind

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Speaker 4: of tense relationship with DC, like the district. Trump, as

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Speaker 4: y'all might remember, spent quite a lot of time just

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Speaker 4: talking straight shit about the district and announcing these like

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Speaker 4: big plans to take over DC. The background is a

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Speaker 4: that DC has what's called home rule. So that's like

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Speaker 4: the ability for DC to govern, like for our local

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Speaker 4: to the district. And on the campaign trail, Trump was

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Speaker 4: saying he wants to change this, that DC's home rule

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Speaker 4: would dictate how DC is run as a city. Because

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Speaker 4: DC is not a state, technically, any president could have

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Speaker 4: that authority to interfere with how DC is run, so right, yeah,

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Speaker 4: any president could like take over the police Department and

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Speaker 4: take over the powers are Mayor Muriel Bowser currently has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I guess, first off, like of your friends,

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Speaker 2: how many folks kind of made the same call, Like

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Speaker 2: what was the general decision? Because I'm looking at like

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Speaker 2: footage of Proud Boys marching through fucking DC again for

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Speaker 2: the first time in almost half a decade, and like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: where are the people you know on this kind of stuff?

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Speaker 3: I mean this in the most literal sense, nobody zero.

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Speaker 4: I was out there flying solo and I had multiple

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Speaker 4: friends and be like, you're crazy to go down there,

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Speaker 4: like like everybody. Yeah, And I guess that's something else

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Speaker 4: that I wanted to talk a bit about, which is that,

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Speaker 4: you know, the first time around, during Trump's inauguration, I

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Speaker 3: But like, ugh, I almost only want to get into it.

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Speaker 4: But the idea of like resist that had not yet

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Speaker 4: become a cliche to me, and in the you know,

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Speaker 4: aftermath of Trump's first election, I was really clinging to

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Speaker 4: that for like whatever hope or power. I didn't know

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Speaker 4: bunch of grifters. And like people saying like hashtag resist

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Speaker 4: and like meeting nothing yea. At the time, I really

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Speaker 4: clung to that this time around total night and day difference,

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Speaker 4: like yeah, and I think the mood on the street

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Speaker 4: The people that generally I know who are like radicals

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Speaker 4: those people were like, we're sitting this one out. Yep. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that was like a refrain I hear from a lot

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Speaker 4: And I don't blame anybody, right, Like it's a lot.

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Speaker 4: We've all been through a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's I guess if I could get across

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to say this is going to be

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Speaker 2: don't make it simple for them, you know, Again, I

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Speaker 2: keep trying to say, and I'm not saying this, and

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Speaker 2: be doing. I don't. But it's like, not what we

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Speaker 2: did last time, because that that just didn't didn't do

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Speaker 2: it exactly, didn't do it all, didn't not get out

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Speaker 4: The last time Trump was in office, y'all remember like

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Speaker 4: the Women's March and pussy hats and all of that.

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Speaker 4: I actually staffed the Women's March that time around. I

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Speaker 4: was like very invested. This time around, they changed the name,

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Speaker 4: they rebranded to the People's March, and they only had

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Speaker 4: a couple of thousand people out there, And so, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think it really goes back to what you were saying, Robert.

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Speaker 3: Personally, I have a hard time.

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Speaker 4: With the idea that what we did then is what

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Speaker 4: we should be doing now that that that that playbook

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Speaker 4: is still.

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Speaker 3: Going to work.

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Speaker 4: And frankly, like sixty nine percent of white women voted

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Speaker 4: for Trump, right, and so like the idea that I

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Speaker 4: would feel safe and feel solidarity with a bunch of

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Speaker 4: women out on the streets, like being like Boo Trump,

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Speaker 4: it just like it's I understand why the turnout was

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Speaker 4: so low. I feel like folid ality march on the

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Speaker 4: street is clearly not where we're at, So that is

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Speaker 4: not how we should be meeting this moment.

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Speaker 1: Well, and even last Jay twenty there was like a large,

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Speaker 1: large radical contingent, and those people are similarly sitting out.

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Speaker 1: And when you're looking towards the next few months, looking

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Speaker 1: looking at what's going to happen for like reproductive healthcare,

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Speaker 1: transgender healthcare, people are making the calculation that it does

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Speaker 4: The thing that I remember very clearly was when Tim

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you want to talk about what the probaboys

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Speaker 1: were actually like up to on Monday?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, as you said, this was the first time

441
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Speaker 4: that they in mass came to DC since January said,

442
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Speaker 4: and they marched through the streets of DC holding a

443
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Speaker 4: banner that said congratulations President Trump, and they chanted who

444
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 4: streets our streets? Which, by the way, that is such

445
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Speaker 4: like again as someone who kind of like came up

446
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Speaker 4: on like street protest.

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah, y'all are doing the chant all late. Like I

448
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 3: hate that.

449
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Speaker 1: I mean, the situation is continued to be proven correct.

450
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Speaker 1: The levels of recuperation for even like you're like diametrically

451
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Speaker 1: opposed like militant enemy side is just fucking crazy.

452
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Speaker 4: Yes, And I saw this, I mean, speaking of J

453
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Speaker 4: six rioters who were all, you know, pardoned, I saw

454
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Speaker 4: this video that really kind of broke my heart. It

455
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Speaker 4: was a video that some maga dipshit took outside of

456
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Speaker 4: the jail where all those people were being held. And

457
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Speaker 4: so there's a black DC elder who clearly is just

458
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Speaker 4: like mining her business, walking down the street in her

459
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Speaker 4: city and she gets baited into an on video screaming

460
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Speaker 4: match outside of the DC jail where this maga guy

461
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Speaker 4: yells like like like, oh, we didn't do anything wrong,

462
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Speaker 4: no crime was committed, and she's like, you all killed

463
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Speaker 4: a cop.

464
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Speaker 3: No cops got killed, which is not true. Like the

465
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Speaker 3: it goes back to what you were saying.

466
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Speaker 4: Robert about how there is this need to quickly have

467
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Speaker 4: it be like something that wasn't that big of a deal.

468
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Speaker 4: And one, to see that in person in this video

469
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Speaker 4: was was wild to me. But two, seeing like a

470
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Speaker 4: DC elder like take the bait broke my heart because

471
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Speaker 4: I wish I could have could have been in that

472
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Speaker 4: moment to be like, honey, you don't need to be screaming.

473
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Speaker 4: This guy wants you to be screaming at him. He

474
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Speaker 4: wants this video of you screaming at him on the street.

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Speaker 3: This is like exactly what he wants.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I entirely agree.

477
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Speaker 4: You know, The biggest takeaway from being out was just

478
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Speaker 4: how sparse it was. Like, you know, the first time around,

479
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Speaker 4: I probably had four different people staying with me, two

480
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Speaker 4: of whom got arrested during the big anti Trump protests.

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Speaker 3: This time around, I didn't have anybody. I didn't know

482
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Speaker 3: anybody who was there.

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Speaker 4: And I do think that reflects kind of where people

484
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Speaker 4: are at. I think people are exhausted, people have been

485
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Speaker 4: through a lot. People are maybe pacing themselves and sort

486
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Speaker 4: of like don't want to blow their rage wad on

487
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Speaker 4: the first week, which I totally understand, but I think

488
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Speaker 4: it really remains to be seen, like whether or not

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Speaker 4: this vibe is going to take us through the next

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Speaker 4: four years.

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Speaker 3: Are people just tuning out? Are we checked out?

492
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Speaker 4: Are we so exhausted and overstimulated already that we're not

493
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Speaker 4: going to really be paying attention? And in some ways,

494
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Speaker 4: like I feel like that's exactly what authoritarians want.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's where it's difficult, or that's one of the

496
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Speaker 2: many things that is difficult, is that like checking out

497
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Speaker 2: is not the answer, but you simply can't react to

498
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Speaker 2: everything that happens showing up and burning yourself out in

499
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Speaker 2: the street. It's like the cops continue to do bad things.

500
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Speaker 2: If every time a cop is a bad thing, you

501
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Speaker 2: and your friends throw yourselves at a police station until

502
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Speaker 2: you all get arrested, then you won't be able to

503
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Speaker 2: do anything else because you'll be in jail. You know,

504
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Speaker 2: like and like, these are hard realities, which is why

505
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Speaker 2: it necessitates new kinds of thinking, creativity, you know, to

506
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Speaker 2: some extent unsatisfying. And I guess part of what I

507
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Speaker 2: would say is if people are giving you answers to

508
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Speaker 2: what we need to do that sound very clear and satisfying,

509
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Speaker 2: you should maybe not trust that totally. Yeah, because the

510
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Speaker 2: responsible answer, in my opinion, is that, like, it's very

511
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Speaker 2: unclear how to get out of this or what the

512
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Speaker 2: right things to do here are. We just know that

513
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Speaker 2: what we've been doing hasn't been working, and the first

514
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Speaker 2: step to wisdom is accepting that.

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Speaker 5: Oof.

516
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Speaker 4: I love that something I know that isn't working. Is

517
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Speaker 4: I'm glad that we're not doing.

518
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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to pivot to ads. Actually,

519
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Speaker 2: let's pivot to ads.

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Speaker 4: You're so good at ads, like you could teach a

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Speaker 4: class on it.

522
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well I waited twenty eight minutes this time

523
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Speaker 2: to do it. But at least we have the second

524
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Speaker 2: one out there. We're back, Bridget Sorry, where were you going.

525
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Speaker 4: Something that I'm glad we are not doing this time

526
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Speaker 4: around is remember during the first Trump administration, how the

527
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Speaker 4: Washington Post changed their tagline to democracy dies in Darkness

528
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: and everybody gave them a shit ton of money because

529
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Speaker 4: it was like, yeah, we need like good investigative journalism,

530
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Speaker 4: traditional media, that's gonna save us. I'm glad that this

531
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Speaker 4: time around we've all cut the shit and it's like, no,

532
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Speaker 4: they're part of it.

533
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Speaker 3: They're not going to do a goddamn thing.

534
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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Yes, they don't give a fuck. Fucking Jake

535
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Speaker 2: Tapper couldn't roll over fast enough and.

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Speaker 4: Like so even I mean, I'm sure y'all have talked

537
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Speaker 4: about this to death and I have been thinking about

538
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: it nonstuff. But Elon's seeing how the traditional press reported

539
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Speaker 4: on his salute.

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Speaker 3: It's like, like, oh, what did he do?

541
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Speaker 4: Like, like, the way they will contort themselves to not

542
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Speaker 4: just come out and say it is astonishing to me.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's I mean, that's one of like the

544
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Speaker 2: scariest things is the degree to which they're trying to

545
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Speaker 2: memory all stuff happening as it happened, and at the

546
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Speaker 2: same time, Okay, yeah, he did a Nazi salute. He's

547
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Speaker 2: a Nazi. This is not the first thing that's made

548
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Speaker 2: that clear. We need to move on knowing he's a Nazi,

549
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: but we need to move on, you know, like that

550
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Speaker 2: that's right. I don't know. I don't know what to

551
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 2: do other than you know, maybe there's some utility and

552
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Speaker 2: spreading clips of him next to the fucking guy from

553
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Speaker 2: American History X, but I don't know. I don't know

554
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Speaker 2: how that's gonna help.

555
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Speaker 1: The fact that he is in this position where he

556
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Speaker 1: can do something like that on stage and it actually

557
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: doesn't matter is like so much more frightening to me

558
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: than like than like Elon Musk like doing like a

559
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Speaker 1: very like low mortar control like version of the salute

560
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Speaker 1: when he's like wrapped up in some like excitement that

561
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Speaker 1: he's trying to like meme to like his like fans

562
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Speaker 1: on fourtune. The fact that like he's even just allowed

563
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Speaker 1: to do that it doesn't actually matter, like this will

564
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: not affect him in any way is more what's interesting

565
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Speaker 1: to me, because yes, we've all known that he's been

566
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Speaker 1: a Nazi for quite a while. He's like shared things

567
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: that are like essentially like Nazi race science on Twitter

568
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: before he is he has engaged with like extremely anti

569
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Speaker 1: Semitic conspiracy theories before and you know, the largest anti

570
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: semitism org in the country has completely capitulated to these people,

571
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: so like they've hollowed out everything that's like supposed to be,

572
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: like you know, the institutional blockages, whether that's you know,

573
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Speaker 1: places like the Washington Post where that's literally all of

574
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Speaker 1: the tech companies, the degree to which like everyone has

575
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Speaker 1: cozied up to Trump, which is also like very different

576
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Speaker 1: from twenty sixteen. Exactly everyone was like fairly like united

577
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: institutionally was united against Trump, and you know the same

578
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Speaker 1: way we like we don't see you know, people out

579
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Speaker 1: in the streets, you know, writing or even doing like

580
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: large protests. The actual you know, institutional powers have have

581
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: decided to instead of actually trying to fight this guy,

582
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: they're gonna trying to like how friendly they can be,

583
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: Like how much can they get out of this. There's

584
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: this like resignation, and I don't know how long that'll last,

585
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: Like I'm not sure if like, you know, once Trump

586
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: becomes the establishment figure that he's been like deriding for

587
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: the past few years, Like once he falls back into

588
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Speaker 1: that zone, if we're going to see more resistance to

589
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: him from like institutional levels, but you can't like count

590
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Speaker 1: on it. And the degree to which it's it is

591
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Speaker 1: like different from twenty sixteen is like worth remembering. Like

592
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: a phrase me and Robert talk about sometimes is like

593
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Speaker 1: the forever twenty sixteen, Like the fact that it feels

594
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Speaker 1: like we've never really left twenty sixteen. Everyone kind of

595
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: acts like we're still in twenty sixteen, like this such

596
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: load bearing year on our entire cultural consciousness. But the

597
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: fact is we aren't in twenty sixteen anymore, and you

598
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: can't act like we are. You actually have to move

599
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: on from that, and we're starting to see more of

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Speaker 1: that in certain corners. You see some of that among

601
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Speaker 1: some of the radicals, some of the anarchists as well

602
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Speaker 1: as you know, the tech companies and the CEOs and

603
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: the media company they're just you know, changing the degree

604
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: to which they're moving away from their twenty sixteen mode.

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Speaker 3: You actually just gave me.

606
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 4: A little bit of a silver lining that I had

607
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 4: not realized, which is like it kind of is useful

608
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 4: to see so clearly where these institutions and power holders stand.

609
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 4: And it's like when like I remember watching tech companies

610
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 4: like change their logos to Black Lives Matter or post

611
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: the Black Square, it's kind of freeing to be like,

612
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 4: we don't have to do that shit anymore, y'all will

613
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: have to pretend, And we don't have to pretend either.

614
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: We know where you stand. You've made it very clear.

615
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 4: You could not make it. You could not have made

616
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: it clear where your alliance is. And let's go from there.

617
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Speaker 3: Like it almost it almost is sort of like trimming

618
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Speaker 3: the fat a little bit.

619
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Speaker 4: We no longer have to take these these institutions as

620
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Speaker 4: serious as allies or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's going to be a degree to which, like

622
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Speaker 1: people's masks come off more than usual. I mean, I

623
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: think certainly this next Pride month will be interesting to

624
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 1: see how people change Pride months twenty twenty two or

625
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Speaker 1: even you know, Pride was twenty seventeen.

626
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was at Pride in San Francisco in twenty

627
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Speaker 2: twenty and it was very big, very happy, but there

628
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: was like a rind to it, you know, there was

629
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Speaker 2: like an edge to it of are we going to

630
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Speaker 2: be able to keep doing this? You know, there's a dispensary.

631
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't smoke, but a friend of mine

632
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Speaker 2: who I stay with when I'm at San Francisco does,

633
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Speaker 2: And so I was with them at this dispensary and

634
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: it had like a sign talking about its history, which

635
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Speaker 2: is that the person who found it it's a very

636
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Speaker 2: nice one. It's like an apple store inside, and the

637
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: person who like started it and ran it did so

638
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 2: because when they were younger, their partner had AIDS HIV

639
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: in the AIDS and marijuana reduced some of their symptoms,

640
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Speaker 2: and they had to go buy it in the nearby park,

641
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: which was a lot uglier of a place and a

642
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: lot like it was. It was sketchy, like they got

643
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: robbed a couple of times. There's a lot more violent

644
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 2: crime and just kind of there are even in a

645
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: place like San Francisco, which is so like gentrified in

646
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: such a way. Like when you're when you're talking with like,

647
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: especially the older members of the queer community, they're not

648
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: just like rich, out of touch tech people. They are old,

649
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: battle scarred queers who went through some of the ugliest

650
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: moments of this nation's history and we're kind of bracing

651
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Speaker 2: themselves forward again. So yeah, I'm very interested to see

652
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Speaker 2: what it's what it's like this year.

653
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Speaker 4: You know, But even that, I feel like there's a

654
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's grim shit, but there's a kind of

655
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 4: hope in it that like we've been people have been

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Speaker 4: here before, right, Like, yeah, you know, there have always

657
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Speaker 4: been queer people, trans people, black and brown people, immigrants,

658
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Speaker 4: like we are America, and like we've always been here, baby,

659
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Speaker 4: We're always gonna be here and like making our way

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Speaker 4: and like holding on and bracing ourselves and doing what

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Speaker 4: we got to do and enduring like that is what

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Speaker 4: we fucking do. And so in some ways, as grim

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Speaker 4: as that is, it's kind of hopeful question mark.

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Speaker 5: Also, Yep, I'm just on the edge of my seat.

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Speaker 1: H Yeah, I mean certainly, you know, lots of people

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Speaker 1: who I surround myself with are you know, looking towards

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Speaker 1: ways to take control of like their own bodies and

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Speaker 1: stop relying like wholly on any kind of government government

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Speaker 1: like agency or model for that, as well as doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of reading on the old

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Speaker 1: like anti deportation, anti ice resistance from like years and

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Speaker 1: years ago, not just from like the Trump era, but

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Speaker 1: from from the stuff like like way before if we're

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Speaker 1: not going to be out in the streets doing you know,

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Speaker 1: slightly mindless protest where your marching in circles. You can

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Speaker 1: use that time to instead, like educate yourself and build

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Speaker 1: connections with people, and you know, read about these things

678
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Speaker 1: that may become more and more important to know at

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Speaker 1: least so you have an understanding of history as the

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Speaker 1: next four years to start happening quite quickly.

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Speaker 3: That's so insightful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think when things feel hopeless, reading about how folks,

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Speaker 4: you know, our elders, the folks that came before our ancestors,

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Speaker 4: how they dealt with stuff like this, has been really hopeful,

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Speaker 4: and it's like, yeah, I guess I just try to

686
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Speaker 4: tell myself, you've been here before and people found a

687
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Speaker 4: way to make it through, and you know, it feels

688
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Speaker 4: uniquely tragic, but in some ways it is not. And

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Speaker 4: as scary as that is, it can also be sort

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Speaker 4: of like grounding.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the same things won't work, but you

692
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Speaker 1: also need to understand the things that didn't work last time,

693
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Speaker 1: and it's good to know, and it's good to know

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Speaker 1: the things that did. Like it's it's it's important to

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Speaker 1: have the understanding so you don't feel like you're having

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Speaker 1: to reinvent the wheel every single time. And like that

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Speaker 1: type of like generational knowledge sometimes is really tricky to

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Speaker 1: pass down in these sorts of spaces and it you know,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't and it sometimes it requires a degree of

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Speaker 1: initiative to like actually like seek out the information on

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Speaker 1: your own.

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Speaker 5: The internet's great, h and.

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Speaker 1: Terrible, but it has it has a it has a

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Speaker 1: it has a vast catalog of history.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk a bit about the speech that

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Speaker 2: that bishop gave at the Trump's first church service as

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Speaker 2: president the second time around, because that is of all

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Speaker 2: of like the fucking media people getting clapped at for

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Speaker 2: making fun of you know whichever, you know, heg Seth

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Speaker 2: or whoever. Yep, that I think actually did matter a

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Speaker 2: little at least it was the there was the courage

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Speaker 2: of saying it to their faces in a way where

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Speaker 2: their reactions were had to be filmed.

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Speaker 1: It's also not trying to dunk, it's not trying to

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Speaker 1: create like a viral moment. It's like genuinely upsetting to

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Speaker 1: them to get like reminded of like what it means

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Speaker 1: to be human. Yeah, and like maybe that's more important

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Speaker 1: than trying to get your like Katie Porter top ten

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Speaker 1: funniest moments in Congress, like a compilation exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be very clear, if you didn't catch this,

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Speaker 2: the right Reverend Maryanne bud b DD was the Episcopal

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Speaker 2: Bishop of Washington. During a church service where Trump and

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Speaker 2: Vance and basically everybody in the new government was sitting,

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Speaker 2: made a direct plea quote from this from an NBC

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Speaker 2: Washington article, referencing Trump's belief that he was saying by

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Speaker 2: God from assassination, but said, you have felt the providential

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Speaker 2: hand of a loving God, and the name of our God.

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Speaker 2: I asked you to have mercy upon the people in

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Speaker 2: our country who are scared now. And then she referenced

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Speaker 2: specifically transgender people, queer people, people in democratic families, independent

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Speaker 2: families who were frightened right now about what the new

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Speaker 2: administration means, as well as migrants, and she made a

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Speaker 2: point of saying, like the vast majority of whom are

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Speaker 2: not in any way criminals, and.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like regardless of whether or not they have the

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Speaker 5: right paperwork.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There was rage on Vance's face, which is part

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Speaker 2: of why I'm like, that's an act of actual courage.

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Speaker 2: There's been one Republican representative who said that she needed

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Speaker 2: to be deported, but she's born in New Jersey.

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Speaker 3: So deported back to New Jersey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Representative Mike Collins of Georgia. So one of your guys, gare.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thanks, then there are you from Georgia? Well, no,

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Speaker 1: but I live in Georgia. I'd live there now, And

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Speaker 1: as someone who lives in Georgia, the only people that

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Speaker 1: I think should be deported back to New Jersey are

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Speaker 1: the costco guy and his kid.

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Speaker 5: Get them out, send them back now.

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Speaker 2: I do think I do think we should be deporting

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Speaker 2: large numbers of people to New Jersey just because my

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Speaker 2: old boss and friend Daniel O'Brien lives there and I

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Speaker 2: want to fuck with them a little bit, make the

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Speaker 2: traffic worse, Like see how you deal with that, Danny boy.

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Speaker 1: No, it was like, I think the most useful thing

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Speaker 1: i've like I've seen yet.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's still like largely symbolic, but like.

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Speaker 2: At least someone took a big public risk, you know, yeah, yeah, courage. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think it's the writer Sarah Candozer who has this

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Speaker 4: line that I always think of, if you can't be brave,

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Speaker 4: be kind. I think that like people who you see

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Speaker 4: doing acts of big acts of bravery right now, Like

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Speaker 4: that's I mean, it's just there are so few of them.

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Speaker 4: And I think, especially when I look at like the

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Speaker 4: tech leaders, they.

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Speaker 3: Have so much fucking money.

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Speaker 4: Somebody said on tlue Sky, what is the point of

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Speaker 4: having fuck you money if you never say fuck you

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Speaker 4: to anybody?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: Like the way that these people turned out to be

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Speaker 4: such yellow bellied cowards is wild to me. And so

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Speaker 4: people actually having conviction and actually speaking power, I think

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Speaker 4: we should be lifting that up wherever it happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can think of like one tech guy with

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Speaker 2: a lot of money who's turned out to have any

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Speaker 2: kind of a backbone, And it's the guy who made

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Speaker 2: that fire watching app that everyone in California's using right now,

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Speaker 2: watch Duty, who's basically had said stuff along the lines

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Speaker 2: of like, I don't know, I see all these other

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Speaker 2: guys who got rich in tech talking about going to Mars,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's much more useful to try to

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Speaker 2: help people survive on Earth something along those lines. And

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Speaker 2: his like novel made a critical like it is a

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Speaker 2: critical life saving piece of technology that actually is what

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Speaker 2: we should hope for from tech. You know, anyway, bridget

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Speaker 2: what else did you want to kind of make sure

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Speaker 2: we got into today.

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Speaker 4: Well this is going to sound a bit random, but

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Speaker 4: I have to just make sure that this gets in there,

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Speaker 4: because you know, I'm talking about the impact of Trump's

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Speaker 4: inauguration and what the next four years will look like

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Speaker 4: for you know, not just for people nationally, but folks

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Speaker 4: right here in DC where this is happening in our backyard.

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Speaker 4: And I have to give it up for the service

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Speaker 4: industry folks of DC the last couple of days because they, oh,

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Speaker 4: I like have heard horror stories and I just I

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Speaker 4: guess that's what I mean is that don't forget that

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Speaker 4: there are real people who have to like put up

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Speaker 4: with these people's bullshit and do it with a smile

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Speaker 4: or they might get fired. And you know, in Adam's Morgan,

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Speaker 4: which is like pretty close to where I live, a

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Speaker 4: woman at an Irish bar had to be removed by

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Speaker 4: a staffer because she was screaming white power at the bar. Like,

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Speaker 4: these people do not get paid enough to deal with this,

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Speaker 4: and they are like the backbone of our city. So

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to shout them out, especially since you know,

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Speaker 4: Trump switched up the inaugurations because of the cold question mark,

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Speaker 4: and so a lot more of these people were just

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Speaker 4: sort of wandering around the district on inauguration who otherwise

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Speaker 4: would have been confined to like a very specific neighborhood downtown,

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Speaker 4: And so they were going into our bars, going into

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Speaker 4: our restaurants, and yeah, I just really feel for my

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Speaker 4: industry folks who had to deal with this. You know,

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Speaker 4: they're not paid enough, but they really are the backbone

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Speaker 4: of our city. Hell yeah, you know, I started this

817
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Speaker 4: conversation talking about all the horrible things that Trump has

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Speaker 4: said about DC and how he's going to take it

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Speaker 4: over federally, and like, you know, he has said, like

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Speaker 4: we will take over the horribly run capital of our

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Speaker 4: nation and Washington clean up and rebuild the capitol, so

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Speaker 4: there's it's no longer a nightmare of murder and crime,

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Speaker 4: but rather, hell, I know, this like hell hole where

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Speaker 4: like people live and raise their families and go to

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Speaker 4: parks and ride bikes and have great times. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: I had a chance to talk to the mayor about this,

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Speaker 4: and I will say our mayor Muriel Bowser is not

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Speaker 4: convinced that any of this will happen. She is saying, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think that Trump says a lot of things.

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Speaker 4: I think at the end of the day, he is

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Speaker 4: probably not going to mess with DC's home rule. And

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Speaker 4: so I just wanted to say that if you're in

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Speaker 4: DC and you're listening, and you're thinking, like, what does

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Speaker 4: Trump you know mean for DC? Are all these big

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Speaker 4: threats that he has made going to come true? All

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Speaker 4: I can tell you is that our mayor does not

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Speaker 4: think it is likely. So if that is useful to you,

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Speaker 4: I hope it brings you some comfort.

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Speaker 2: Oddly enough, one thing that's given me comfort is like

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Speaker 2: Trump has twice in the last day, both when talking

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Speaker 2: about Gaza and when talking about North Korea, weirdly enough,

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Speaker 2: gone onto diggressions about how good that it is a

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Speaker 2: place to build condos, and the degree to which he's

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Speaker 2: still focused on like real estate feels as opposed to

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Speaker 2: the broader fascist project is hopeful, just because like he

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Speaker 2: is a bottleneck through which a lot of this has

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Speaker 2: to cover, and he is clearly not as personally obsessed

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Speaker 2: with every aspect of this as guys like Stephen Miller, right,

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Speaker 2: Like he even makes fun of Miller a little bit

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Speaker 2: for that kind of stuff. So there's a degree to which,

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Speaker 2: like well, his own personal eccentricities, there's aspects of this.

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Speaker 2: It might slow down.

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Speaker 4: This motherfucker is not out here trying to genuinely govern,

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Speaker 4: like come on, I know.

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Speaker 3: So in some ways that is heartening of like, oh, well, he's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna like do his scams, the whatever, whatever, Like if

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Speaker 4: he weren't to actually take over DC, that's an incredible

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Speaker 4: amount of work and labor, and I don't think he's

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00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: got it in them. So maybe in some way some

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Speaker 4: of these threats will like fly under the radar.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, guess we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Guess we'll see.

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Speaker 2: Bridget, Where could people find you?

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Speaker 4: Well, you can listen to my podcast. There are no

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Speaker 4: girls on the internet about the intersection of identity and tech,

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Speaker 4: And you can follow me on Instagram at Bridget Marie

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Speaker 4: and DC.

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Speaker 2: All right, find Bridget, follow Bridget and uh follow somebody smart.

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Speaker 2: I don't know who they are. Figure that out, Good luck, godspeed,

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Speaker 2: fuck them. If they can't take a joke.

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Speaker 3: It could happen.

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Speaker 5: Here is a production of cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website

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Speaker 2: Coolzonemedia dot com or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Speaker 1: You can now find sources for it could happen here,

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Speaker 1: listed directly in episode descriptions.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.