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Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Buck Brief. Matt Bolinsky with

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Speaker 2: media lawyer based out in La host of the Prevailing

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Speaker 2: Narrative podcast Mac Good, have you on, man? What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Everything and nothing?

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Speaker 1: You know, just trying to keep up with the craziness

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Speaker 1: going on right now. But Buck, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened at UCLA? And there's these protests on

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Speaker 2: the campuses all over the place. I'm very familiar with

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Speaker 2: NYU ones. I've been on those campuses a lot. But

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Speaker 2: at UCLA there were counter protesters, there was a fight,

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Speaker 2: things got wild.

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Speaker 1: What happened, yes, at UCLA was very unique in its

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Speaker 1: it as this idyllic campus in the middle of Los Angeles,

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Speaker 1: of Westwood of all places. So first, the initial protest

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Speaker 1: was the pro Pealaton Palestinian protesters blocked off the main

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Speaker 1: This set up their usual barricades and whatnot, and then

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Speaker 1: least it started with a GoFundMe to fund to have

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Speaker 1: attack and other kind of noise that would disrupt those protests.

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of how a bit of a counter

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Speaker 1: of a more general counter protest with pro Israel or

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Speaker 1: anti protester voices participating there, and campus administration campus police

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Speaker 1: did absolutely nothing. In just jurisdictional terms here, this isn't

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Speaker 1: LAPD jurisdiction UCLA. The u See campus is the only

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Speaker 1: So they decided to do nothing. These the encampment grew,

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Speaker 1: the counter protest grew, and students at the initial protest,

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Speaker 1: the Prodian protests, they went so far as to block

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Speaker 3: Of whatever they believed were the ideas that.

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Speaker 1: Would pass muster to get them into buildings, And once

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Speaker 1: again the university did nothing and sent out a message

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Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon stating that they were taking these situations on

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Speaker 1: a case by case basis. Then last night, after nightfall,

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Speaker 1: those in the Propaustindian encampments, and things just spiled from

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Speaker 2: Well, I got questions. I got questions. So first of all,

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Speaker 2: I saw video look like a scene almost like out

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Speaker 2: of out of Brave Heart or something. You had like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like Braveheart, except not noble at all.

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Speaker 1: It was the protesters that the initial encampment set up

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Speaker 1: With cardboard and umbrellas, and then you know, the protesters

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Speaker 2: And bombs those are still out there.

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Speaker 2: Why was why was the law enforcement response just m

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: Sure, well, I think I mentioned the first jurisdictional justification

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Speaker 1: was that LAPD doesn't technically have jurisdiction until it's called

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Speaker 1: in at uc campuses. If we're looking for the explanation

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Speaker 1: that says a little bit more about the general disorder

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Speaker 1: or poor approach towards public order and public safety in

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Speaker 1: the state of California and Los Angeles, is that as

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Speaker 1: opposed to the authorities and the administration in Florida, University

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Speaker 1: of Florida, University of Texts that say, you know, listen,

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Speaker 1: we are going to prioritize public order and the functioning

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Speaker 1: these protests and their campus life. The UCLA and the

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Speaker 1: California authorities, I've said, we don't want anything that could

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Speaker 3: We're not going to take the risk.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to take the risk that the cops

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Speaker 1: might have to drag students kicking and screaming away, as

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Speaker 2: you're a tech lawyer, so you know how this stuff goes.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about there trying to force this

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Speaker 2: are you at that?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting battle between national security concerns

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Speaker 1: challenge this on First Amendment grounds. I think it presents

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Speaker 1: an interesting edge case because what the government's going to

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Speaker 1: say is we won. There have been restrictions around foreign

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Speaker 1: ownership of media for nearly one hundred years now. I

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Speaker 1: mean the Communications Act of nineteen thirty limited ownership of

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Speaker 1: it hasn't really translated to the Internet. So the government's

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Speaker 1: the views specifically on TikTok, we're not punishing the content itself,

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Speaker 1: simply saying that this is a national security concern and

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Speaker 1: has passed constitutional muster previously. What TikTok is going to

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Speaker 1: of justify buying the TikTok legislation, saying, hey, we're concerned

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Speaker 3: First amendment wise, with the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think ends up happening.

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Speaker 1: I think the government's going to prevail eventually. The Supreme

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Speaker 1: quite a strong enough First Amendment case because once again,

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Speaker 2: Do you personally like TikTok? Just curious? Like I actually

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Speaker 2: it just takes over your It takes over your mind.

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Speaker 2: You're sitting there just like you know, you know, steak steak,

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Speaker 2: at suff You're like, this is great.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's popularity is no accident, right, and it's also

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Speaker 1: You don't really see content from your friends. You see

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think it's no question come back, and I

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Speaker 2: got some questions about you as in your podcast and

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Speaker 2: first up, what do you talk about on the Prevailing

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a breakdown of current events whatever happens

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Speaker 3: You saw that?

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Speaker 1: Of course a lot with COVID is that ulterior motive

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Speaker 1: People like to call that conspiracy theories. I think that's

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Speaker 1: So it's that And you know, interview series with people

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Speaker 3: What have you?

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Speaker 2: Are you an original La guy? Do you move there?

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Speaker 2: You're you always? You're the real deal? Interesting? Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that's been a question on a lot

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Speaker 2: You know, madam, just telling you we got beaches and

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Speaker 2: You know, there there are other options. I'm just letting

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Speaker 2: Go check it out, and Matt want to get you

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Speaker 2: on radio soon. Man, thank you so much for joining.

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