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Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast. He needs a sleepover at

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Speaker 1: Mark's man cave.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Around the NFL. My name

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Speaker 2: is Dan Hansis, and I got heroes here, Greg Roosevelt

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Speaker 2: and Mark Sessler. Sestog, you got a man cave. I've

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Speaker 2: been to your place. I don't recall her being a

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Speaker 2: dedicated man cave, nor have I ever seen you as

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Speaker 2: a man that would go man cave if given the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think like you could reference the whole place.

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Speaker 1: Is that on?

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Speaker 3: It's on from some angle, but no, the within the apartment.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a room that would be called classically

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Speaker 3: a man cave at the moment. But you've you know,

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Speaker 3: before the show, you were if you're on YouTube, you

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Speaker 3: were talking about my background that looks a little spartan,

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Speaker 3: could use a little bit of help.

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Speaker 1: So the place is in development, I'd say.

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Speaker 2: And Greg, you know, because Greg's going to Greg and

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Speaker 2: he was labeling it as constructive criticism, and that certainly

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Speaker 2: was not what I was going I was offering a

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Speaker 2: suggestion that maybe your remote background, because that's what we're

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Speaker 2: doing the show remote for the next couple of days,

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Speaker 2: that it maybe could use a touch of color on

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Speaker 2: the wall, and I thought that would go a long way.

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Speaker 2: Not criticism, merely unsolicited advice slash suggestion.

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Speaker 3: I did not take it purely as critique. I understand

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Speaker 3: what greg was attempting to accomplish there verbally, but I

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Speaker 3: didn't fall for that either. So you know, point and

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Speaker 3: pointer are taken, and I you know, I look at

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Speaker 3: my own setup and it does look it looks a

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Speaker 3: little suspect. It could use a little bit of just

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Speaker 3: a little bit of life, and I'm going to work

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Speaker 3: on that this offseason.

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Speaker 4: It's not it's not normal criticism though, it's constructive criticism.

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Speaker 4: That's the gentleman's criticism. Like if he's a man, a

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Speaker 4: man manly enough to even have a man cave, he

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Speaker 4: can take some constructive criticism. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the men to see where maybe I

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Speaker 3: can't take the criticism, but I end in this case

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Speaker 3: I can.

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Speaker 2: And uh and less less we forget, I mean, silly me.

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Speaker 2: Not only does Mark Havman kV has an entire Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl segment based around it.

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Speaker 1: That's true, and that went very well. Now time for

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Speaker 1: a trip to marchmen.

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Speaker 2: McGregor, I forgot the Devlin McGregor, the the crooked pharmaceutical

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Speaker 2: giant from the Fugitive sponsored your segment.

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Speaker 3: Well, the greatest part of that segment beyond I have

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Speaker 3: no memory of it because of the state of my

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Speaker 3: health that day. But the Denzel Ward and Miles Garrett

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Speaker 3: were We're not wearing like the cans, so they couldn't

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Speaker 3: they couldn't hear. They couldn't even hear any of that.

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Speaker 1: So they greg.

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget the anxiety coursing through Mark in addition

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Speaker 2: to the the germs uh due to his illness ahead

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Speaker 2: of that interview with two Brown's greats, and speaking of anxiety,

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Speaker 2: I want to bring in the four person on today's show.

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Speaker 2: You know her, you love her, you've missed her.

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Speaker 1: Shoannie's the queen Queen. She is the Queen of NFL.

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Speaker 5: That's how I get brought in speaking of anxiety.

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Speaker 1: Great, how you been colly in anything new going on

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Speaker 1: last couple of weeks?

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Speaker 2: You know what?

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Speaker 5: No, I've just been laying real, lowing low, just chilling

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Speaker 5: a lot of just not doing anything.

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Speaker 6: Really.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait until we write the the Around the

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Speaker 2: NFL memoir.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna say. But it's so good to

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Speaker 1: see you.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's so great to be back, guys, I've missed you.

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Speaker 5: I'm preparing for a soft launch of the summer of

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Speaker 5: Connie and go into full swing right after the draft,

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Speaker 5: So it's this is our big months, huge lead up

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Speaker 5: to what's going to be an amazing summer.

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Speaker 4: Are you doing the draft night stage thing again? That's

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Speaker 4: a big spot draft night stage thing.

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Speaker 7: That's nice, that's exactly what they call it.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, I will be in Detroit on stage for

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Speaker 5: night one, and then I wanted to do Day three

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Speaker 5: Day three before, so I'm gonna skip Night two and

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Speaker 1: Are we gonna maybe leave there with a puppy.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how. I don't leave without a puppy.

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Speaker 5: So we're gonna see what happens. But I'm gonna probably

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Speaker 3: So it sounds great. And then like will the inevitable

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Speaker 3: party at your compounds occur like how many hours after

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Speaker 3: you return from the draft, roughly.

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Speaker 5: Minutes, moments, seconds, Okay, it already starts on the flight home.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I beloved dog Captain, who's now about sixteen seventeen months old.

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Speaker 2: But shortly before Christmas twenty three or twenty two, Emily

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Speaker 2: here in the South Bay and in the Los Angeles area.

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Speaker 2: But we went over to this couple's home and there

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Speaker 2: they were in the laundry room. It was Captain as

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Speaker 2: I'll give Connie. Okay, we picked Captain. Initially, we wanted

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Speaker 2: to get the girl dog, but she was totally insane.

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Speaker 2: Emily wanted to get to the girl but she was nuts.

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Speaker 2: And then you could tell she was the pied piper

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Speaker 2: and she was a maniac. And we're like, all right,

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Speaker 2: I love the dog, but we can't pick it. The

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Speaker 2: other two dogs were various levels of overactive, and Captain

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Speaker 2: And We're like, that's that's the puppy we want. But

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you something, Connie. We got that little bastard

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Speaker 2: home and immediately he morphed into the other two brothers.

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Speaker 2: Total maniac that we We wouldn't have him any differently,

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Speaker 2: but they are smart enough even as puppies to to

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Speaker 1: So just be aware. Can I ask you a question?

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Speaker 7: He was He just wasn't tired at the moment.

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Speaker 1: I am Greg.

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Speaker 2: I am telling you, dude, the that dog was straight

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Speaker 2: up acting to separate himself from the pack. And he

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Speaker 1: Wait, can I ask you a question like is it possible?

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Speaker 3: And I'm this is a theory, and we don't always

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Speaker 1: Also not alone.

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Speaker 3: It's not a critique, but I is it possible that

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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what, Mark, I love you, buddy,

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Speaker 2: but I don't need a cat guy telling me anything

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Speaker 1: I'm asking. I didn't tell you.

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Speaker 3: I'm asking the question, and it was, you know, constructive

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Speaker 5: I was trying to find. I was trying to find

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Speaker 5: the rescue that because you said it to me before

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Speaker 5: I was actually looking at that rescue a bunch.

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Speaker 7: They have the cutest dogs.

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Speaker 5: But I can't find it now, but I will tell

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Speaker 2: I'm going to text my wife and we're going to

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Speaker 2: get it. All right, Let's get on track. We got

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Speaker 2: a good app today. We're going to talk about front offices, gms,

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Speaker 2: of the organizations that dot the NFL, who's under the

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Speaker 2: that we're gonna hit some news. Let's get caught up now,

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Speaker 2: third down and thirteen Bli's coming press gott able to

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Speaker 7: Hears it out for Lamb.

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Speaker 1: He's gone, He's gone. When he gets there, it's a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: Calibourns time, CD Lamb from ninety two yards out. Those

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Speaker 2: Although I do and we're gonna get to the NFL

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Speaker 2: conquering the days of the week again in a few minutes,

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Speaker 2: But I really do enjoy those late regular season Saturday

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Speaker 2: My sons are with me. We don't get to watch

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Speaker 2: some CD lamp in what was a brilliant season. That

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Speaker 1: Because she gotta pay him like a god.

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Speaker 4: I'm still a little stuck on you know, you calling

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Speaker 4: yourself our daddy, But I do want to move on

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Speaker 4: because that that highlight I think was the first time

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Speaker 7: Football is back. I was excited to see, so I'll

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Speaker 1: Now let's go.

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Speaker 2: Mark's going to reach through your monitor and put an

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Speaker 2: end to your jugglers.

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Speaker 7: We're working out.

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Speaker 4: We got Kirk Cousins doing interviews in the Falcons facility.

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Speaker 2: Football is back, all right, And we just lost Colleen.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll get her back. He has technical difficulties sometime

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Speaker 2: reported that there is quote NFL precedent for CDE Lamb

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Speaker 2: not taking the field until he signs a contract extension.

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Speaker 2: He's entering the fifth and final year of his rookie deal.

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Speaker 2: But he is one of the best wide receivers in

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Speaker 2: football we just talked about. He's coming off an incredible

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Speaker 2: season where he posted career highs and receptions one hundred

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Speaker 2: So he's a first time All Pro. He deserves a

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Speaker 2: in slippery conditions here Mark with their salary cap, with

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Speaker 2: what's going on with Michael Park, Parsons, with Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 2: In some ways it's a good problem to have, but

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Speaker 2: also in others ways you're seeing the challenges of a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's you know, this stuff happens. There

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Speaker 3: But they've gotten to this point with those three players

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Speaker 2: And more just like the bigger yeah picture situation around

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Speaker 2: Yeah, parse that Harvey Levin all right? In other news.

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Speaker 2: We told you NFL one. They've defeated days of the week.

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Speaker 2: There's no longer any issue. You could play an NFL

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Speaker 2: There will be a way and a streaming platform that

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Speaker 1: The Eagles will play the NFL's first.

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Speaker 2: Game in Brazil to kick off twenty twenty four, and yes,

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Speaker 2: Mark what was happening fifty years ago when they last played.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just saying it was in your life cycle,

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Speaker 1: So I didn't know if you knew who were the teams.

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Speaker 7: They have TV back then? Did you watch it?

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Speaker 7: We're sending you a good game.

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Speaker 4: It shows how much we respect Brazil to give them

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Speaker 4: We'll see, Mark, that's true under reporting though by me

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Speaker 3: I could see the league. You're just challenging him on

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Speaker 2: Right, so, and thank you guys for giving me that information,

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Speaker 1: That is exciting.

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Speaker 2: Moving on, Josh Allen, No, the other Josh Allen, the

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Speaker 2: It is a contract that includes eighty eight million guaranteed,

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Speaker 2: Allen coming off his second Pro Bowl trip in five years.

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Speaker 3: star wide receiver, but they are letting players go. And

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Speaker 3: you're watching the AFC South, the Texans specifically turn into

442
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Speaker 3: a fire storm and you got a wait and see

443
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Speaker 3: on what Anthony Richardson's makes the cults. So it's like

444
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Speaker 3: the Jaguars, who you know, six hundred days ago were

445
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Speaker 3: a really sexy new operation in the AFC, are now

446
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Speaker 3: like maybe the second or third at least the second

447
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 3: best team in the South and maybe the third.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, hold that thought, but it

449
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Speaker 1: was too late. We'll talk about the Jaguars a little

450
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Speaker 1: bit later. Potentially we're gonna.

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Speaker 4: Have a Balkie off. I mean our multiple co hosts here.

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Speaker 1: Don't be ridiculous, all right.

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Speaker 2: Finally in the news, God, if there's one person out

454
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Speaker 2: there that got that reference, please hit me up.

455
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Speaker 1: I did social media. I enjoyed it, but go ahead, I.

456
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Speaker 7: Mean I do.

457
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Speaker 4: I don't want to spell it out for the listeners out.

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Speaker 7: There that you know. I give me the locky barlacamists.

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Speaker 2: I'm fans, Okay, the Bartaka heads out there.

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Speaker 1: Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Finally in the news, Bill Belichick is about to enter

462
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Speaker 2: an NFL season not as a head coach or a

463
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Speaker 2: coach of any kind, and that will be the first

464
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Speaker 2: time since nineteen seventy four, which.

465
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Speaker 1: Predates Mark Sessler.

466
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Speaker 3: No, it is I was, you know, on the earth

467
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Speaker 3: to witness the start of that career for Bill dom Man.

468
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Speaker 2: This is like a whole fun game, like can we

469
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Speaker 2: find an event in history where Mark wasn't alive anyway?

470
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Speaker 2: Fifty years okay? And Belichick, though, is keeping busy. He

471
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Speaker 2: recently spoke at Nebraska's annual coaching clinic, and you know,

472
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Speaker 2: the head coach is an old man, an old friend

473
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Speaker 2: of the show, a guy that once stole Mark's heart

474
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Speaker 2: at the NFL scouting combine at a tavern, a local steakhouse.

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Speaker 1: That is Matt Ruhle.

476
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Speaker 2: He did not do well as a head coach in

477
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Speaker 2: the NFL, but obviously he's landed on his feet well.

478
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Speaker 2: And he was blown away by Bill Belichick's presence, his knowledge,

479
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Speaker 2: his quah at this clinic. Let's listen to Rule, who

480
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Speaker 2: also was very pointed in his commentary about Bill being

481
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Speaker 2: out of work and how is that possible?

482
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Speaker 6: He is so smart, It's seemed so much that he

483
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Speaker 6: can make the complex so simple that it humbles you

484
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Speaker 6: and embarrassed. I was embarrassed just how smart he is,

485
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Speaker 6: how simple it was.

486
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Speaker 2: He went, what he how we went?

487
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Speaker 7: He went?

488
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Speaker 6: He went four and a half hours, was just with

489
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Speaker 6: the coaches. Forget the clinic, Like he came in and

490
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Speaker 6: met with our coaching staff, and three and a half

491
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Speaker 6: hours in, I was like, coach, would you like a

492
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Speaker 6: water coffee? Like to use the restroom because I desperately

493
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Speaker 6: had to use the restroom, you know, and he's like,

494
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Speaker 6: I'm fine, Matt. I was like, yes, sir, and just

495
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Speaker 6: sitting there and just talking right, and just his recall

496
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Speaker 6: from things fifteen years ago. And you know, the only

497
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Speaker 6: reason why we don't get through more information is because

498
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Speaker 6: he's having to slow down to make sure you understand

499
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Speaker 6: what he's saying. I mean, So, you have this man

500
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Speaker 6: who's a savant, right, Who's been a defensive coordinator, He's

501
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Speaker 6: been a special teams coordinator, he's coached, you know, he

502
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Speaker 6: could be an offensive coordinator, has been a head coach twice,

503
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Speaker 6: he's been a GM person. I mean, he's and he's

504
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Speaker 6: talking about football in a way that just like I mean,

505
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Speaker 6: illuminates things and make things so simple that you're like,

506
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Speaker 6: oh my goodness.

507
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Speaker 1: I love that.

508
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Speaker 2: And I wish things worked out better from that rule,

509
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Speaker 2: because he seems like a good guy and a personal

510
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Speaker 2: guy in the NFL. So and some people and I

511
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 2: saw some you know criticism out there that who cares

512
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Speaker 2: what that guy says?

513
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Speaker 1: He's terrible at his job.

514
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Speaker 2: Okay, he was bad as a Panthers head coach, but

515
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Speaker 2: he's clearly someone who respects the profession that's done it

516
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Speaker 2: for a long time, and what he's telling you right there,

517
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Speaker 2: does that sound like an over the hill football man,

518
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Speaker 2: someone that doesn't have more to give to this league.

519
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Speaker 2: I think it's one of the great follies and honestly

520
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: the most ridiculous thing in all our time doing this podcast,

521
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Speaker 2: which is we're going into our twelfth season that Bill

522
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Speaker 2: Belichick wanted a job and did not get one this year.

523
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Speaker 2: And that will probably be rectified next year, but let

524
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Speaker 2: it be remembered when the next round of firing and

525
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Speaker 2: firings and dismissals goes down, that a lot of those

526
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Speaker 2: teams had a chance to get Bill Belichick and instead

527
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Speaker 2: chose to outthink themselves.

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Speaker 3: I could I could see one you know, silver lining

529
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Speaker 3: here for Belichick, because it's pretty trenchantly noted that when

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Speaker 3: coaches take a year off, they their health improves, they

531
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Speaker 3: are able to watch football more globally. I mean, it's

532
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Speaker 3: you're not gonna teach Bill Belichick new things. I get that,

533
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Speaker 3: but just the idea of kind of getting out of

534
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Speaker 3: the grind, re energizing, taking a look look at football

535
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Speaker 3: from a different place, and I think for Belichick to

536
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Speaker 3: go around to these you know, these coaching clinics and

537
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Speaker 3: to talk to other coaching staffs. It's got to be

538
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Speaker 3: fuel for him. And I think it takes the hot

539
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Speaker 3: butt rankings and everyone who's on that list. It dials

540
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Speaker 3: the notch up. Because whatever exhaustion or agism was happening

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Speaker 3: around Bill Belichick a couple of months ago, at the

542
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Speaker 3: end of the New England thing and the documentary that

543
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Speaker 3: came out all that, It's like other owners are now

544
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Speaker 3: gonna be like, wait a minute, everyone passed on Bill Belichick.

545
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Speaker 3: But if I'm like the Giants owner, I'm like, we

546
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Speaker 3: could bring Belichick Bill Belichick back to New York to

547
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Speaker 3: be the Giants coach in a bit of poetry, if

548
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: this thing continues to go south. So I think everyone's

549
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: now about to be watching it, like, wait a minute,

550
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Speaker 3: Belichick is already the lead candidate to take a job

551
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Speaker 3: a year from now.

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Speaker 4: Like that's all stuff I agree with from both of you.

553
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Speaker 4: And yet I don't think it was some travesty. He

554
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 4: didn't get hired, He needed a year off. What he

555
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 4: was doing was stale, he was doing a poor job.

556
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Speaker 4: I think it's going to be extremely valuable for him

557
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Speaker 4: to take a step back and do some self accounting

558
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Speaker 4: of how he went twenty nine and thirty eight with

559
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Speaker 4: no playoff wins for four years, three out of four

560
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Speaker 4: losing records, like cause there's no way he is happy

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Speaker 4: with that. And he is as critical as it gets.

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Speaker 4: And I randomly like reread a critical of himself as

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Speaker 4: he gets as he used to be.

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Speaker 7: I reread this book, Patriot.

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Speaker 4: Raign, which is one of the great season in the

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Speaker 4: life embedded reporter books that kind of got slept on.

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Speaker 4: It's Michael Holly who spent two seasons all sorts of

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Speaker 4: inside stuff with the Patriots two thousand and two, two

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Speaker 4: thousand and three.

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Speaker 7: It's kind of amazing.

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Speaker 4: It's like him going to Belichick's cousin's house with Belichick

572
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Speaker 4: when she has cancer, all this stuff, and that like

573
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Speaker 4: the number one thing that he stressed that he was

574
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Speaker 4: important to him was to not have yes men around him,

575
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Speaker 4: to have people around him that he respected that could

576
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Speaker 4: push back on what he said, because it can't just

577
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Speaker 4: be one person running the show, like it can't just

578
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Speaker 4: be one person. And Scott Pioli, especially in that book,

579
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Speaker 4: was really important as someone who he trusted to do

580
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Speaker 4: a lot. And he loved how me and Genie pushed back,

581
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Speaker 4: and he said, I never want to be the type

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Speaker 4: of leader that gets masturbatory. Heed that word in terms

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Speaker 4: of my opinions, and no one's gonna didn't have to

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Speaker 4: use that word, but he didn't.

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Speaker 7: But he was.

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Speaker 4: And and what did he turn into. He turned into

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Speaker 4: a guy who had who started making all the decisions,

588
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Speaker 4: had had no one around him, didn't groom anyone that

589
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Speaker 4: would push back, and he will, I'm sure reflect and

590
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Speaker 4: say I did a poor job for four years twenty

591
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Speaker 4: nine and thirty eight with three losing seasons is a

592
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Speaker 4: bad job no matter what.

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Speaker 7: And I think he'll come back a better coach.

594
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Speaker 4: But it to me, it's not some like like he

595
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 4: was a little He needed to reset and change the

596
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Speaker 4: way he was doing things.

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Speaker 2: I know, but everybody, everyone seems to be so sure

598
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Speaker 2: of their opinion that he needed to reset and he

599
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Speaker 2: needed this.

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Speaker 1: Year away, But he didn't. He didn't think it.

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Speaker 2: And just because he listen, he could have gotten a

602
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Speaker 2: job in January and still done some self reflection and

603
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 2: self scouting and went into this enlivened and re energized

604
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Speaker 2: and learning from what happened at the end of the

605
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Speaker 2: New England Run and the idea, like I think agism

606
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Speaker 2: played a part in the fact that he's in his

607
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Speaker 2: early seventies and now you're kind of in some way

608
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Speaker 2: like the point I'm trying to make will be made

609
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Speaker 2: in January when multiple teams want the guy, and it

610
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: won't be because like, oh, now he's had the year

611
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Speaker 2: and head coach jail where he was able to, you know,

612
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Speaker 2: come clean and go to confession and finally see the

613
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Speaker 2: air of his ways. Like he's going to be the

614
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Speaker 2: same guy and he'll learn and he's learned some things

615
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Speaker 2: away from the game. But I think he would have

616
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Speaker 2: been learning and scouting himself. Either way. That's such a

617
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Speaker 2: bad job. Well he I mean that's also unders I

618
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Speaker 2: understand what you're saying, and you could point to the

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Speaker 2: end of the run. He also ended up with a

620
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Speaker 2: quarterback that couldn't really play and that and that really

621
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Speaker 2: shades things. I think if if he ended up with

622
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Speaker 2: a better quarterback prospect than mac Jones, we probably aren't

623
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Speaker 2: having this conversation. And that's not to put everything on

624
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Speaker 2: mac Jones, because he played a major role in Mac Jones.

625
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Speaker 2: He was the face of the organization behind the scenes

626
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Speaker 2: as well. I just I still can't believe, and I

627
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Speaker 2: don't want to dwell on it anymore. And I think

628
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Speaker 2: we're all on the same page. I'm just a little

629
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Speaker 2: more strident in my feeling that the teams, Uh, these

630
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Speaker 2: teams think they're so smart and it's a copycat league,

631
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Speaker 2: and I think once other teams kind of put it

632
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Speaker 2: out there that, oh, we don't want that guy.

633
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Speaker 1: He's he needs a.

634
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Speaker 4: Good team, though I'm not assuming he's going to do well.

635
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Speaker 4: The odds would say like he could be mediocre.

636
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Speaker 1: He loves that Greg.

637
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Speaker 4: The Jets, not like the Jets are going to high him,

638
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,479
Speaker 4: but a team that actually has it in place. His

639
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 4: mind is obviously so sharp. He's such a great defense

640
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Speaker 4: of mine, like he can do all that running an

641
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: organized I think he showed that his best days are

642
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 4: are behind him.

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Speaker 7: When it comes to that.

644
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Speaker 2: He'll he'll need to make some adjustments, obviously, But I

645
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: and he's not somebody to speak on this. He's not

646
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: going to do a Last Dance Jordan thing and speak

647
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: his mind on this stuff. But he loves like guys

648
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: like national guys like a Greg Rosenthal, who no one

649
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: was ever more in his corner saying he can't do

650
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: it anymore. He's got to be in a perfect setup.

651
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: He needs to kind of. He can't run the show

652
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: like he used to. I think he's going to be hungry.

653
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: And I think it would have been hungry this year too,

654
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Speaker 2: I guess. Is my point this idea that he needed

655
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Speaker 2: to take the year off, Well, he's getting the year

656
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Speaker 2: off and let's see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Because I think a little all of it.

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Speaker 3: I think a little bit of all of that can

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Speaker 3: be true, Like even if he didn't want the year off,

660
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: it can help him. Like he can be doubted, but

661
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: we don't. You have to look at the full body

662
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 3: of work. He's one of the greatest coaches, if not

663
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: the greatest coach of all time. And I find your versatility,

664
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Speaker 3: Dan to be impressive that you can come out and

665
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: attack appropriately the aegis and the people that you know

666
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: killed for his age on a show where you're asking

667
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: if I was here for to witness the Revolutionary War?

668
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: So I that moatility is?

669
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: I think versatility, I'll tell I think I think you're

670
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: saying it's a little hypocritical.

671
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: Versatile seems like the word that's a nice guy move.

672
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a break and we will talk about,

673
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: speaking of pressure and decision makers, who's under the most

674
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Speaker 2: as we enter a draft season.

675
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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

676
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what this sport is not for the

677
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: meek of heart and leadership in the front office, that

678
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: Holy Trinity owner, GM, head coach. All teams are different

679
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: and who has the juice, but ultimately there's always someone

680
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: who's responsible, who will be either celebrated or dragged through

681
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: the mud.

682
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: For the draft and.

683
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: Free agency is a test for these decision makers. But

684
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: I feel like the real pressure point, the future of

685
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: the organizations are really built on the back of these

686
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: three days every April.

687
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: And that's what we're going to talk about right now.

688
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 2: And that's why you're hearing that ominous synth Mark Sessler,

689
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: because I can only imagine. I mean, look at we

690
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: just talked about Belichick. One day, you're the goat, the

691
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: next day you can't even get a job. And that's

692
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: the pressure these guys are under. It's what have you

693
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: done for me lately? And if you're coming off a

694
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: so so draft, for instance, and there are a lot

695
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: of gms and front office leaders that are coming off

696
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: so so to bad drafts, man, you better hit on

697
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 2: this one. Or you'll be joining Bill Belichick at the

698
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: next corn Huskers summit.

699
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: If you're lucky.

700
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: I think you're right. It's a stark, stark environment. That's

701
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: why it seems to be happening a little bit less.

702
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 3: But you got these like coach doesn't like to brag

703
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: about being in the office ninety hours a week. In

704
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: gms right now are doing the same thing. They don't

705
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: see their families for four months. And I think this

706
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: year especially to a lot of new gms, but the

707
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: pressure is turned up on some of them, but especially

708
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 3: some of these guys that have been around for a while,

709
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 3: and there have been some disappointing tracks in the background.

710
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: So this segment comes at the right time. Den.

711
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to get you know on this podcast especially,

712
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: but I did hear one of the many of what

713
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of new head coaches. To make

714
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: your point, Mark, I heard from a birdie that an

715
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 2: example is one of the coaches toward the facility after

716
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: being hired, and the first thing he asked was like,

717
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: where are the beds where the pullout couches for my assistance?

718
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: And you could infer quite easily what will be expected

719
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: of that staff and the fact that the assistant coaching

720
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: offenses didn't have a place to sleep meant that needed

721
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: to be.

722
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: Handled. Put it that way.

723
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Speaker 2: So, yes, there's a lot of pressure all the way

724
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: down the chain. But let's get into some teams and

725
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: front office leaders who are under the most pressure entering

726
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 2: this draft. And Greg, why don't you get us go

727
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: and throw throw a team out there. We'll go around

728
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 2: the horn. And by the way, for those that are wondering,

729
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: Colleen Wolfe still missing in action. We're going to continue

730
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: to track this and hopefully she returns, but hope is

731
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: growing dim.

732
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 4: Go ahead, great, I'll save Bartokamas for you because I'm

733
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 4: that kind of teammate. And I want to mention a

734
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: name I feel like has not been mentioned since the

735
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 4: day he was hired. And he's going to be drafting

736
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 4: for the first time actually, and he's not in a

737
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 4: great spot, and yet I still feel like he's under

738
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure. His name is Dan Morgan. He's

739
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 4: the Panthers GM not getting a lot of pop pop

740
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 4: this offseason. The Panthers get a lot of attention, partly

741
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 4: because they don't have a first round pick, but you

742
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 4: know what they do as have is the first pick

743
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 4: in the second round and then another pick six picks

744
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 4: later in a draft that it's the perfect spot to

745
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 4: have those two picks where people really feel like the

746
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 4: strength of this draft is in the top fifty picks,

747
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 4: that the difference between let's say fifteen and fifty is

748
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 4: not that great. And to me, the Panthers have so

749
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 4: many needs that he can put a little bit of

750
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: a fire sale up for that thirty three spot overnight

751
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: and see what he can get for and pick up

752
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 4: more and more.

753
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 7: They're thin everywhere.

754
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 4: I love the Deontay Johnson move, but Adam Thielen, you

755
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: can't expect what you got out of him to happen again.

756
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: Like he is a three in a perfect situation. You

757
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 4: need more juice. You don't have a receiver, you don't

758
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: have a tight end. Your left tackle from a couple

759
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 4: of years ago has essentially been a bust. And they're

760
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: gonna say that they love them, but they're gonna need

761
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 4: another option there. And then I look at their defense

762
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 4: and they've added some good, just veteran players that kind

763
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 4: of fill the the snaps. Josie Jewel, DJ wantam Ayshawn

764
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: Robbinson like clown he's there like a bunch of solid

765
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 4: guys who can play, and they needed that. But when

766
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 4: you look on our lads, which have my favorite depth charts,

767
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 4: you could see, you know, when they got drafted where

768
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: they came from. And I noticed like only three players

769
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 4: on the Panthers starting defense were drafted by the Panthers,

770
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: and one of them, Shaq Thompson, who was practically playing

771
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 4: with Dan Morgan. Back with Dan Morgan was quite an

772
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 4: exciting middle linebacker back in the day. And so they

773
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 4: need homegrown talent and they need to win fast because

774
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 4: we've learned with that owner. Like you might think you

775
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 4: have a timeline. Dan Morgan's been in the building, he

776
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 4: was part of the last regime. He's not gonna have

777
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: that long of a timeline. And they just need to

778
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: start finding some players. And I just wanted to say

779
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 4: hello to the Carolina Panthers fans that listened to.

780
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: This show, I'm with you, because they've they've been completely excited.

781
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 3: That is a perilous spot because I think if you're

782
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: anyone's gonna want to try their test at being a

783
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: GM and it was kind of an un I think

784
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: Dan Morgan could be as good as anyone else somewhere,

785
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: but it was a higher from within, which tells me

786
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 3: sometimes about what the owner wants to be able to

787
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 3: have control over. I don't know if that's the case here,

788
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 3: but the odds on situation tells us the tepper wants

789
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: to have the strongest voice. You don't know if the

790
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 3: quarterback can play. You inherited a job where you have

791
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: given away a ton of draft picks for the future

792
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: and made a ton of terrible team building decisions over

793
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 3: the last three or four years.

794
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: That's why Matt Ruhl doesn't have a job.

795
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 3: So it's like I think Dan Morgan like selling that

796
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 3: pick maybe and acquiring all the assets you can. I

797
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: agree with Greg, I think that makes sense.

798
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is obviously the critical year for Bryce Young.

799
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: It comes quick in the NFL, the number one overall

800
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: pick coming off a nightmare rookie year. If he's bad again,

801
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: very very real chance that they just clean house.

802
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 4: Two fifth as they mentioned too high seconds and then

803
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 4: the first pick of the third like they keep like

804
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 4: that third is almost as good as a late. Yes,

805
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 4: so he does have some even though they traded all

806
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: this picslay, they have some maneuverability.

807
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 7: They got to make it happen.

808
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I though one more before we throw it to

809
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: Mark with his pressure point just a little.

810
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: Greg. I liked the way you did that.

811
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: That was an optimistic type way to say hello to

812
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: the Panthers fans. That one thing that you got to

813
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: remember to do, no matter what, no matter what obstacles

814
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: you face, no matter the hardships in your past, there's

815
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: only one thing you gotta do.

816
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: Piled in.

817
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 7: All right, it's been a while.

818
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: I you know, when you look at like the last

819
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 3: Panthers GM, Scott Fitter like not surprising why he's not

820
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: there anymore. I think there's one GM sitting out there

821
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: that it's like it is a surprise to me that

822
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 3: he's still in the building. And it's George Peyton, who

823
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 3: I think we have a nickname for. Was it Keaven Saunders?

824
00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 3: I believe that's it. Okay, So Kevin Saunders has enough

825
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 3: on his resume where he shouldn't be there. I think

826
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: he's a He's got a head coach who essentially like

827
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: probably runs that front office, if not directly, just sort

828
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: of spiritually, and a head coach and Sean Payton who's

829
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 3: verbally whether I know, Greg always thinks whatever Sean Payton

830
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: is saying that he's lying, but he says, you know,

831
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: there are teams up there above us in the draft

832
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: where they're at number twelve that we are. You know,

833
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,799
Speaker 3: trading up for a quarterback makes them very valuable front

834
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 3: offices and assets. And I think, like you're looking at

835
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 3: a team that has Jarrett Stidham and Ben Denucci in

836
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: a post Russell Wilson apocalypse, and there is a lot

837
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 3: of pressure to get up there and get someone if

838
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: they don't like who's going to fall to them as

839
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 3: the fifth or sixth guy. They do have more draft

840
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: assets than you would think. But I think either way,

841
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 3: if for some reason it doesn't go the way that

842
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: Sean Payton wants, that Sean Payton has the easiest.

843
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: Fall guy around.

844
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,720
Speaker 3: And there are you know, once every couple of years

845
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 3: there's a team that cleans house in the front off

846
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: right after the draft, and I could see that being

847
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: a real problem for George Peyton slash Kevin Saunders if

848
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't come out real well for them.

849
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean they absolutely need it.

850
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 7: I mean that's happening. The decisions already made.

851
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: If it doesn't matter, they're not gonna let him do

852
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 4: anything on draft weekend if they're gonna fire.

853
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 3: Well, so I'm saying I don't know if the decision's

854
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: already made or if they maybe they work better together

855
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:20,720
Speaker 3: than we realized.

856
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 1: I don't.

857
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 3: I just think that the power structure puts them in

858
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: a tough spot. And it's almost like you have someone

859
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 3: you can blame other than Sean Payton. If you're Sean Payton,

860
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 3: if it doesn't go well a couple weeks from now, I.

861
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 2: Mean you could almost like look at it a different

862
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: way than Mark like that, Especially these teams coming off

863
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: disappointing years, there's not a lot of pressure. I mean

864
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: there's pressure to try to be better. But if things

865
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: go wrong, Sean Payton's pulling the strings anyway, and he

866
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 2: could just blame the GM and start over there. And

867
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: if things go right, well, Kevin Saunders keeps his job

868
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: most likely, and mickveigh and and Peyton gets all the credit.

869
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't like that.

870
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 3: I don't like the power structure for George Peyton to

871
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: begin with. But I would say, secondly, who like Kevin Saunders?

872
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: But if you, if you like, go into another rough

873
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 3: year with Sean Payton. I think things get real ugly,

874
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: and you know, I just I just do. I just

875
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 3: think they I think they've got to come out of

876
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: this draft with a lot more hope than they were.

877
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: Their roster to me on offense is just like come on, guys,

878
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 3: like and the drafts have not been great. They out

879
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 3: they've not had great drafts under Kevin Saunders. So it's

880
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: like walball track record here.

881
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: As a Walmart that that owns the Broncos. Yeah, I don't.

882
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: We don't know yet how patient they are. We when

883
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: we talked about the Russell Wilson trade, I I made

884
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: my opinion that I shared my opinion that I thought,

885
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: if they're being run the right way, that Peyton should

886
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: be mostly absolved of year one because he had to

887
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: inherit the Russell mess and everything that came with it,

888
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: for sure. And now it's pretty widely known across the

889
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 2: league that the Broncos are in a very difficult spot

890
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: and terms of how they can spend over the next

891
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: couple of years because of that disastrous Russell Wilson transaction.

892
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 2: And I guess I just disagree just a little bit

893
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: about like what the expectations are in Denver and when

894
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: the expectations are lowered because of their unique situation that

895
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: maybe it's it's not as high a pressure point as

896
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 2: other teams.

897
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 4: Brongos fans didn't like it going into last season, But

898
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make the same point now, is like, where

899
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 4: is the strength of this team? Give me a position

900
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 4: group that has has much. It's a pretty bad roster.

901
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 4: I might put it in the bottom six in the NFL.

902
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 4: Like I think Peyton did a fine job, Sean Payton.

903
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 4: That's why we talk about Kevin Sun. They find job

904
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: coaching up what they had. But there's not a lot.

905
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: There's not a lot to like wrap your arms around

906
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 4: here and feel good about for the Broncos. So I'm

907
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 4: with you. They need some talent and fuse it and

908
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 4: if it and it's tricky like b Nicks as the

909
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 4: second rounder feels okay, Bonnicks if you take them in

910
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 4: the top fifteen feels a little rich.

911
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely need to get beat all right. We

912
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: started with two bad teams, two sad teams. A bad

913
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: team in a sad Panthers are kind of sad and bad.

914
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: Anyway.

915
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: Panthers Broncos two teams that are looking up at hill.

916
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: I want to look at.

917
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: I want to talk about a team that's in a

918
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: really the opposite place, but I kind of attached the

919
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: headlines to these. So the headline here is take a window,

920
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 2: for granted, and soon enough it will be a wall.

921
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: M I like that pretty good. Made that one up.

922
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Talk about the Packers, and yeah, Brian Gouda Kuntz has

923
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: been there for a while now. He survived the Aaron

924
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: Rodgers power struggle, handled it beautifully looking back on it,

925
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: nailed the Jordan Love pick. You have Matt Lafleur there,

926
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: his sixth season with the team. There's been a lot

927
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: of success in those six seasons, but also they have

928
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: not gotten to the big one with Lafleur. And then

929
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: that's this is an organization that expects to get back

930
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,879
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl. And last year's the whole last

931
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: season they went nine to eight, They closed very strong. Obviously,

932
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: they went into the playoffs, they were the team nobody

933
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: wanted to play. They took the gave the Lions all

934
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: that they could handle. And now it is understood that

935
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: this is the year that they make that leap. And

936
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: it better be because I think that these windows, especially

937
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: at the Jordan Love situation, Greggie, and maybe you can

938
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 2: provide just a little clarity because of his situation, where

939
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 2: is he that contract was.

940
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: He's entering the second year of a two year contract.

941
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 4: They're probably gonna give him a new contract this offseason.

942
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: If I had to guess in the summer.

943
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then things get a little more difficult for

944
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 2: the Packers. And so what you have with their situation.

945
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 2: They have the twenty fifth overall pick and they have

946
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: an early second round pick that is the Aaron Rodgers trade.

947
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: It was going to be a first rounder, but Rogers

948
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: didn't reach the percentage of snaps because of his injury,

949
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: of course, so they get a second rounder, so that

950
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: is the ninth pick the second round. They also have

951
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth pick of the second round, and they

952
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: have two third round picks. So that's pretty nice they

953
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 2: have for a team coming off a successful season with

954
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: a really exciting young corps.

955
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: They now have five picks out.

956
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 2: Of the first ninety one, including three in the top sixty.

957
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: And I think the pressure here is it's not like

958
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: Gudakun is going to lose his job, but this is

959
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: look at the Bills as a recent example, or what

960
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: the Lions are now entering as they come into what

961
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: feels like a big time important year for their organization.

962
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: I could have talked about the Lions in this exercise.

963
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: This is kind of the year.

964
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,800
Speaker 2: And if Guta Kunz nails this draft and makes smart

965
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: moves and picks up, hits the first round pick, and

966
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: then gets value in those ever valuable second and third rounds,

967
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: that could really fill out whatever ills this roster at

968
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: this point, whether they decide they want to go after

969
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: an offensive tackle, even though they had a pretty good

970
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: season from Rashid Walker who filled in for Bacdiari, but

971
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: that's a former seventh round pick. You want to upgrade

972
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 2: at that position. If you want to add some help

973
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 2: to the defense. You finally made the decision and change

974
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: defensive coordinators. But do you want to add more talent there?

975
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 2: I suspect that they will, and they'll be aggressive addressing

976
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 2: the defense because the offense is in a very good

977
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: place overall. But this is such a pivotal moment in

978
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: recent Packers' history because if you hit this draft, look out,

979
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: you could be hoisted in Lombardi in February. If you

980
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: miss on it, you could be the next Bills a

981
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 2: team that could have, would have, should have, that was

982
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: on the make and then never got there.

983
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: I would just say, like one thing though, quick though,

984
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 3: because I see what you're saying that it's could swing

985
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 3: either way. But you know, with the way the Packers

986
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 3: operate in general, like I would give Goody like an

987
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 3: A if not in almost an a plus on rebuilding

988
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: the offense, because in a way, even though Aaron Rodgers

989
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: is Aaron Rodgers, it was a little bit of a

990
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: progress stopper. And we're only only like four months removed

991
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: from finding out that Jordan Love can play, and now

992
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: I think like the hope is gushing out of the organization.

993
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 3: They went back to back MVPs before that last season.

994
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: No I know, but I guess it's more like you, like,

995
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 3: in a way, they found a good quarterback in Love,

996
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 3: but then you his rookie contract has been eaten up

997
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 3: by that situation.

998
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: It's two different things in a way.

999
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: But like they're pretty conservative with what they do with

1000
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 3: their front office and stuff, and I think Goody has

1001
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: to be as safe a GM is anyone in a

1002
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: division in a way.

1003
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 7: But also.

1004
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 2: Because I'm not talking about I don't see this segment

1005
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: as like who's on the hot seat. Necessarily, it's about

1006
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: like who is in kind of in many cases it

1007
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: will be, and probably the other teams that bring up

1008
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: it will be. But in good cunts the situation, it's

1009
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 2: more like, here is a moment and it might not

1010
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: be on everyone's radar that this kind of could be

1011
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: the year that separates them and makes them a true

1012
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: super Bowl team if he hits it, and it's like

1013
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 2: a moment in time before love gets that big deal.

1014
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: Well, I think you said that he would be in

1015
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 3: trouble for some reason if things went, if this draft

1016
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: and go well, which maybe you weren't.

1017
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: But you would live with regret more than he'd be

1018
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: in trou Okay, I.

1019
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 4: Think that's so true that as you were talking and

1020
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about it, like they have a chance to

1021
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 4: really set themselves up as the consistent team in the NFC.

1022
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 4: A young quarterback and a really good young core, a

1023
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 4: lot of which is on offense.

1024
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 7: That's that's how you win consistently.

1025
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 4: And when you say watch out, you turn into the Bills,

1026
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 4: And part of me thinks like, well, you should be

1027
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: so lucky.

1028
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 7: I mean, they did win.

1029
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 4: Like the most amount of games over the last four years,

1030
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 4: and I don't view the Vill's story as remotely closed.

1031
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 4: To me, Josh Allen is in the middle of their

1032
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 4: prime and so their windows open. So consistent winning is

1033
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: what they want. You want to get a little over

1034
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: the top and some good picks on defense, especially, I

1035
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 4: think in the secondary. Mate, maybe you get a little

1036
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 4: younger with the pass rush. But they're a team unlike

1037
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: the Broncos. Where I look around, I see a lot

1038
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 4: of strengths and I don't see a ton of huge,

1039
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 4: screaming needs.

1040
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 7: You mentioned a couple of them.

1041
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 4: I think they'll definitely address the secondary at some point

1042
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: with those first three picks.

1043
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 7: But he's in a good spot.

1044
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: I mean, if Damashek does that list of like the

1045
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 4: greatest positions in sports, and you know he puts like

1046
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 4: Bruins center and Yankees something I don't even remember what

1047
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 4: it was centerfield, It's like, how about Packers GM going

1048
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 4: from Wolf to Thompson to Guda Kunst.

1049
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 7: You know that's pretty good.

1050
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: I feel like.

1051
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: Most of Dave's like cross sports points just circle back

1052
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 2: to Mario Lemieux.

1053
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: Yes, it's it is.

1054
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 7: The center I think is like number one all time

1055
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 7: or something.

1056
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: All right, Let's take a break and then we will

1057
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: go around again talking about different teams that the decision makers.

1058
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: What am I calling this again? Pressure points? Was decision

1059
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: making team builders? Pretty good? All right, we'll be right back.

1060
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 2: Right everybody, you never played that, Thank you very much,

1061
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal who said that. Uh, by the way, Greg,

1062
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: any have you given any thought so far about the

1063
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: Delaware tapes now that they are in the possession?

1064
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 4: No mean, despite you know, the firestorm on of interest

1065
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 4: on social media. Wait, no, I haven't heard from one

1066
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 4: listener on this thing. Nobody cares. We waited too long

1067
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 4: for this bit. The desire has really diminished over the years.

1068
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 4: After the listeners are like, what's Dan even talking about?

1069
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 4: It's this is from eight years ago.

1070
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 2: What a mistake that was? Everyone, all the soldiers of

1071
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: the ATN Army. Please hit up Greg on Twitter. We

1072
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: need and let him know that you do want to

1073
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: hear the Delaware tapes and and and it would be

1074
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 2: a win, Mark, like you said, a win for everyone,

1075
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: a win for you.

1076
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: And I think so, I think, like you know, when

1077
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: we're hearing the innocent voices of children, you know, young

1078
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 3: minds and hearts asking that this be the wish that

1079
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 3: were fulfilled not only just for us, but for the

1080
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 3: future generations.

1081
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: So I think it's important.

1082
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a rookie mistake by me, and I

1083
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 4: know you're not. I will be turning off notifications until Monday,

1084
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 4: April fifteenth, all.

1085
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: Right, so start sending this on Monday April fifteenth now.

1086
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: And I know you're not in it for the glory,

1087
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: but just think, Greg, that you two could have a

1088
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: sign football from Dabo Sweeney.

1089
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: Like me that I helped.

1090
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: I potentially played a role in the I'm gonna say

1091
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 2: an orphanage that was erected in the Clemson region. I'm

1092
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: not sure, but I did play role because I got

1093
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: that ball. You too could have some type of artifacts

1094
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: celebrating your great Filmthrampic mind.

1095
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: I think it was thanking you for speaking to the

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00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 4: Young Capitalists of America conference or something.

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00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 7: So let's come down with the Orphanage.

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00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: Young Capitalists of America. That is so that's so false.

1099
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 2: So anyway, again, just before we get back to it,

1100
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: who wins Mark and I, who wins the audience, and

1101
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: who wins the Santa Monica Food Bank as an example,

1102
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 2: we will donate on behalf of Greg if he lets

1103
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 2: us all here the Delaware his Prague acid rock group

1104
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 2: from the mid nineties in high school out of western Massachusetts.

1105
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: Some of their great work includes I have it under Delaware,

1106
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: bio under stickies on my laptop, how.

1107
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: Do you want to cook? Shiny Men went to frog Town.

1108
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: These are all output from Delaware. All right, let's get

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00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: back to it.

1110
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: We must listen to Delaware.

1111
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: Shy Man went to Frogtown. You're up, Greg, I'm gonna

1112
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: go with Brandon Bean point you.

1113
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 4: Know, I started with Carolina. Let's go to a former

1114
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 4: Panthers staffer here, Brandon Bean who arrived in Buffalo after

1115
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 4: one season of Sean mcdermotty. He joined his power there

1116
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen. I think what they've done since McDermott got

1117
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 4: there could be taught at like a sports business school

1118
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 4: of how to rebuild a franchise through picks, through trade,

1119
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 4: through free agency, how to take something where there was

1120
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 4: basically nothing and create a consistent winner. Hopefully they you know,

1121
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 4: for them, they get a Super Bowl eventually, and it

1122
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 4: really completes that story.

1123
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 7: But I think he was excellent.

1124
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 4: But you look at the track record over the last

1125
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 4: few years and in the draft specifically, there's just not

1126
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 4: enough home runs. There's a bunch of singles, Like at Oliver,

1127
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 4: you found a guy who you can kind of build around.

1128
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 7: That was twenty nineteen. For the most part, all.

1129
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 4: Their best player, their core players, were found back then

1130
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 4: when they first got their seventeen eighteen nineteen, maybe twenty,

1131
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 4: and since then they've been hitting singles. He needs this

1132
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 4: fine guys that can be around now. They don't pick

1133
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 4: until late. I've seen some stuff that maybe they trade

1134
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 4: up for wide receiver. I think that's crazy because they

1135
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 4: do have some fifths and sixth in this class where

1136
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 4: they can trade to move around. But I think they

1137
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 4: need to find two or three real difference makers in

1138
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 4: the top seventy five picks. We're going to talk receiver tomorrow,

1139
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: but you know their number one receiver right now out

1140
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 4: wide is Curtis Samuel or Khalil Shiftier.

1141
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't even know who.

1142
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 7: Geez it's concaid. I mean they need a wide receiver.

1143
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 4: They've signaled that they're really happy with their offensive line.

1144
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 4: They recently signed Layout Collins too, so I think that's

1145
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 4: one area they won't hit. But especially in the secondary,

1146
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: the defense and at wide receiver, They need core guys.

1147
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 4: They need the bills that are gonna help carry Josh

1148
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 4: Allen to where he hasn't gone before. I think he

1149
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 4: can do it because he's done it before. But they're

1150
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 4: they're starting to run out of time. I liked the

1151
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 4: draft last year. It worked out okay, but they need

1152
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 4: to start stacking him.

1153
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 3: One thing I don't like about Buffalo's situation is when

1154
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: you know, less than a month before the draft, you

1155
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 3: created a burning need at a you know, for an

1156
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 3: offense that you know you can say, Josh Allen, go

1157
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: do it all on, it's on his own. Well, no,

1158
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: we can't. Like, that's just not how this is going

1159
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 3: to work. And so you have to go find that

1160
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: wide receiver. It's absolutely you need to use it. You

1161
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 3: might need a trade up if you fall in love

1162
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: us on, but then you need that wide receiver to

1163
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 3: like produce right away.

1164
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 1: I just don't love the situation. I think things. I

1165
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: think there is a.

1166
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 3: Lot of pressure on the coach, there's a lot of

1167
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: pressure on the quarterback. There's a lot of pressure on

1168
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,879
Speaker 3: the front office. And they were they did Brandon Bean

1169
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: did such a good job building this thing. But they're

1170
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 3: in a place that they did not plan to be

1171
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 3: I don't think on any level right now.

1172
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: And they could they could make an aggressive move up

1173
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 2: the board potentially to grab one of these top wide receivers,

1174
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 2: but it might end up being more likely that with

1175
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: that twenty eighth overall pick, or even in this second

1176
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 2: round where they pick sixtieth. Yeah, they have to be

1177
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: sharper than ever and identify someone that is a high

1178
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: value guy and hope they hit on it. They see

1179
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 2: I agree with it you're saying, Mark, They just seem

1180
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 2: very kind of vulnerable where they where they are right now,

1181
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: and if you were going to trade digs, the timing

1182
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: of it post free agency, pre draft almost just puts

1183
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: more pressure on the organization to hit on something. And

1184
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 2: it's not easy to hit on these guys. It's as

1185
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 2: good as this wide receiver classes. And like Greg said,

1186
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about that episode later this week, Like,

1187
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: it's not easy to land on the guy that actually

1188
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 2: turns into a big time pro, and they need a.

1189
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: Guy who's going to be a big time pro. They're

1190
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: trying to win a super Bowl.

1191
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: It's not good enough anymore just to go twelve and

1192
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: five or thirteen and four. Immense pressure in Western New York.

1193
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: That was that, GREGI Marky.

1194
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the most interesting spot in the

1195
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 3: first round is number four there on the Cardinals. And

1196
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 3: I think with some of these guys, like with Brandon Bean,

1197
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 3: you can look back and say, well, what have his

1198
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 3: drafts been? And with Monte Austin Fort their GM, I'm

1199
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 3: less concerned with. You know, he doesn't have that track record,

1200
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: but he did. He almost reminds me of our old

1201
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 3: guy Sashi Brown, where he came in with a very

1202
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 3: distinct strategy they used last year to compile draft picks.

1203
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 3: They didn't trade Kyler Murray, which was kind of this

1204
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: thing that people, you know, I thought might happen. But

1205
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 3: they're cool at quarterback, so they're not a candidate to

1206
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 3: take a quarterback at number four.

1207
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: They talk about a team that needs wide receivers.

1208
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 3: They've got Michael Wilson, who I like, Greg Dortch, who

1209
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: I like. Is these are supporting guys and Chris Moore essentially,

1210
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 3: so you know there are there another team that like, well,

1211
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 3: what do you do?

1212
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: You created this burning need.

1213
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 3: You could also, I think, obviously trade these picks to

1214
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 3: the Vikings and get a good wide receiver down down

1215
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: in the down the board a little bit. I guess

1216
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: I just cannot wait to see what they do. They've

1217
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 3: got eleven picks in this draft, and it's cool to

1218
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 3: keep accruing them. But to go back to Sashi Brown

1219
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 3: because the one that kind of comes up is like

1220
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: I love the strategy because I think it's it's like

1221
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: you're always gonna have a team when you're number four,

1222
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 3: and they have needs all over the place, so recreate

1223
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: this team with young players. But that's Sashi Brown, a

1224
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: crewman of draft picks, and this is other teams to

1225
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 3: try this too. It's like you got to hit on

1226
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 3: them and they missed on a lot. There was one

1227
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: draft where they drafted like four wide receivers and a

1228
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: quasi like tight end wide receiver type hybrid and like

1229
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 3: none of them worked. None of them worked, And like

1230
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: that's only the beginning of how it didn't work. So

1231
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 3: I guess what I want to find out is like

1232
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 3: Monte Austin fort, great plan, good strategy, You've got you

1233
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: sit at the inflection point of the entire first round

1234
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 3: where you're gonna get great value like you did from

1235
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: the Texans a year ago, and you can't argue with

1236
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 3: that strategy. But then are you the front office, the GM,

1237
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 3: the group of people to go get the right players,

1238
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 3: because if that doesn't happen, you passed on someone like

1239
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior. It's like you could get a legit,

1240
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 3: bonafide likely Hall of Famer, or you can continue your

1241
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 3: draft capitol building plan. I just cannot wait to find

1242
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 3: out what they're offered, what they say yes to, what

1243
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 3: they say no do, and what they do.

1244
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 4: They have so many needs and they're just like a

1245
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 4: little unlucky. Do you remember I sort of memory hold

1246
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 4: this game, but week seventeen, they were down twenty one

1247
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: to six to the Eagles and Kyler Murray ends up

1248
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 4: putting up thirty five points. This is like it felt

1249
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 4: like the bottom of the Eagles season, and yet they

1250
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 4: had more lengths to go and they won that game,

1251
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 4: and you know, they would have only won three games.

1252
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 4: I think they would have been two picks higher if

1253
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 4: they hadn't won that game, and they would be in

1254
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 4: such a better position here to trade that number two

1255
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 4: pick for a quarterback that they could have gotten the

1256
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 4: farm for. And sometimes it is a little lucky. It's

1257
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 4: like the Panthers got this one pick for the pan

1258
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 4: I mean the Bears got this number one pick for

1259
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 4: the Panthers being like this bad. No one expected them

1260
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 4: to be this bad. So it's just like a little

1261
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 4: bit of bad luck. And they have so many needs

1262
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 4: that it's like you could pick any position and they

1263
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 4: need it other than quarterback.

1264
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 7: I would say maybe maybe offensive line.

1265
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: I'll go glass half full in the sense that, yeah,

1266
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 2: we don't know if this management you know, and never

1267
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: forget ownership, and when you look at the teams are

1268
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: successful and teams that aren't, like it all connects like

1269
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,440
Speaker 2: can you trust the Arizona Cardinals to make the right decision?

1270
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 2: And if they were sitting with the number two pick,

1271
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: as you're saying, like, then they have to or more

1272
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 2: most likely make a decision either to draft a quarterback

1273
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: or they trade out of the pick, and maybe they

1274
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: the trade they make is great, or maybe it makes

1275
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 2: them overthink things and mess things up. The way it

1276
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: is now, it's almost dummy proof. It's like you got

1277
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: in a top flight wide receiver year. You need a

1278
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 2: top flight wide receiver for this quarterback that you paid

1279
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 2: all this money to go Just take Marvin Harrison or

1280
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: whoever you think is the best wide receiver, don't overthink

1281
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 2: it and and get better overnight.

1282
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: How do you mess this one up? Like, I don't know.

1283
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: It seems like a tough one for even the Cardinals too,

1284
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,919
Speaker 3: But they're like I think they're likely. I would greg,

1285
01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: where would you put the odds that they trade it?

1286
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it depends what I think the vikings are

1287
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 3: already called them. It's like I would put it at

1288
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 3: like sixty percent that they would maybe trade it. That

1289
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 3: may be a little bit high.

1290
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 2: But or just like justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase or

1291
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: a player of that level to your roster right now

1292
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 2: with your quarterback that you're still trying to figure it out.

1293
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: Like right, I guess that's what I mean.

1294
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: I said, there's nothing wrong with trading back when there's

1295
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 2: a quarterback starve team out there and you have to

1296
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 2: pick up the phone of it.

1297
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: It rings.

1298
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: But also, like I feel like just taking a potential

1299
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: first team All Pro level wide receiver is a path

1300
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 2: to getting a lot better also, you know.

1301
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 4: And to give my Monte Austin for credit, look, last

1302
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 4: year Will Anderson turned out to be great for Houston,

1303
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 4: But the Cardinals are happy with that trade. They already

1304
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 4: did a trade down last year, and they had a

1305
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 4: sneaky good rookie class. They got, you know, four or

1306
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Speaker 4: five real contributors, real NFL players, so they're off to

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01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 4: a good start. I think it's a good coaching staff

1308
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 4: and the GM has done a good job so far.

1309
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 4: And yeah, Mark, I think it's significant the chances they trade.

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Speaker 4: I'd put it a little lower just because Harrison's so

1311
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Speaker 4: special that it's like forty sixty. But it feels like

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Speaker 4: it could happen for sure.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I got a weird one here in terms of

1314
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Speaker 2: the headline, because I wanted to give a headline for

1315
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Speaker 2: each of these Yes, the Jaguars, let's talk about the Jaguars,

1316
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: Little Bartacamas, the Bartaka heads are going off right now.

1317
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: Got Doug Peterson, and I was thinking a headline for

1318
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 2: some reason. The phrase I do not want what I

1319
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:38,520
Speaker 2: haven't got just came into my head, and that is

1320
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Speaker 2: the title of Shenado O'Connors nineteen eighty nine album that

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Speaker 2: had of course nothing compares to you on it, And

1322
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Speaker 2: I'm like, why did I think of that? Why did

1323
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Speaker 2: that just come into my brain? That seems strange? I'm

1324
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: not even like a huge shnade head, like a respector

1325
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Speaker 2: and rest in peace, and he is Irish. I loved

1326
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: Sinead O'Connor's voice, but like, it's not like I was

1327
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Speaker 2: a super fan. I don't own an album, so why

1328
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: did I do not want what I haven't got come

1329
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: into my brain? So anyway, apparently it's a you know,

1330
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Speaker 2: it's a song off the album, and it's it's said

1331
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: to be about finding acceptance for what can't be changed,

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Speaker 2: making peace with loss and limitation, and finding the courage

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Speaker 2: to live and love.

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Speaker 7: I said that.

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01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: Kind of it's about Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 2: Wow, like are the Jaguars now we maybe didn't draft

1337
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: the savior of all saviors and and he's he could

1338
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: he could be very good, but there's some limitations here.

1339
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be the guy that takes you just

1340
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: on his back.

1341
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: But you can move on from that. You once you

1342
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: know that you have a.

1343
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Speaker 2: Very good, potentially great quarterback, but maybe not a first

1344
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Famer. Now that we know that, we

1345
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 2: process that and maybe there's some grief involved there, but

1346
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 2: it's not the end of the world. You still have

1347
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: a quarterback that twenty five teams in the league, maybe

1348
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: twenty three teams in the league, maybe twenty teams in

1349
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: the league would kill to have.

1350
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Speaker 1: So we move forward, and how do they do that? Now?

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Speaker 2: They and this is here's a quote. Do we have

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Speaker 2: this quote by the way, etp from Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 8: I don't know if I'll ever get over it. I

1354
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 8: think for me, it's going to be my motivation, my fuel,

1355
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 8: you know, moving forward, you know, and I'm not going

1356
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 8: to let it cloud the vision. But at the same time,

1357
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 8: it's going to be it's going to be close in

1358
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 8: my mind as I move forward with the team.

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Speaker 2: This spring, Doug Peterson was talking about the one in

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01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: five finish to the season when they were eight and

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01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 2: three and on top of the world. They won in

1362
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: Houston on right around Thanksgiving to go to eight and three,

1363
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: and then the wheels fell off and Trevor Lawrence's injury

1364
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 2: played a big role in that, but it wasn't the

1365
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 2: only thing. The defense melted down as well. So now

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01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: they have to figure out where they're at and they

1367
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 2: have let's see, they have the seventeenth overall pick. They

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01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: also and they have the forty eighth overall pick in

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01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: the second round, and then they have a compensatory pick

1370
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 2: in the third round. So they have three picks in

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01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 2: the top ninety six, two in the top fifty.

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Speaker 1: Where do you go if you're Balki? Where do you go?

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01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: If you're Doug Peterson, who took the end of that

1374
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 2: season very personally, you're definitely set at quarterback.

1375
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: You believe you got to decide whether you're going to.

1376
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: Make Trevor Lawrence a top five paid quarterback in the league.

1377
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 2: That's a decision that it's going to be difficult. But

1378
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: what do you do to try to get better in

1379
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 2: the AFC South and be as also Peterson said in

1380
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: that press availability at the owners meetings, like they're back

1381
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 2: to being the hunter in the AFC South, and I'm

1382
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: looking at like move the sticks mocks Terry and Arnold

1383
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: to cornerback out of Alabama to Jacksonville. There's a lot

1384
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 2: of issues with miscommunications in the secondary, a lot of

1385
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: blown coverages late in the season, So that makes sense,

1386
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 2: and say also the repercussions of a move that a

1387
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 2: lot of us first guessed at the time that Trayvon

1388
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: Walker first overall pick when you had Aiden Hutchinson who

1389
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: seemed like the safer pick because Walker hasn't become the

1390
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 2: guy they expected them to be. They have a big

1391
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 2: needed edge rusher still. So I think it's the defense

1392
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 2: where you're focused, but you can't ignore the offense that

1393
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 2: needs help. With Ridley out the door and Trevor Lawrence

1394
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 2: at a kind of an inflection point in his career,

1395
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: like who is he will give him the right setup

1396
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 2: and give him the cast that allows him to maximize

1397
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: what he is very important, a lot of pressure on

1398
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: the brain trust in Jacksonville.

1399
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 3: I'd kind of maybe part of it is, like, see

1400
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 3: what type of wide receiver falls to you. They're seventeen,

1401
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 3: you said, because it is, it's a special draft on

1402
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 3: that note, and like, I kind of think it's easier

1403
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 3: when you're a team that has a couple burning needs,

1404
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 3: like they need a wide receiver, they need secondary help.

1405
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 3: Like you maybe can't go I mean, you can go

1406
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 3: wrong with any of these picks, but you probrobably can't

1407
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 3: walk away from the first round of feeling good about

1408
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 3: whoever you add, Like it's I don't hate their spot there.

1409
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: I'm higher on Trevor Lawrence maybe than you are. And

1410
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying.

1411
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 3: But like the injury hurt him a lot last year,

1412
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 3: but he's still like the way he ended the season

1413
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 3: before outside of the playoff game, Like he's six y six,

1414
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 3: he can run, he can do everything.

1415
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,839
Speaker 2: Mark, Where would you have him in your quarterback rankings

1416
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: right now?

1417
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 3: Well, so, I mean the QB rank the QB Index

1418
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 3: is based on like literally the last kind of stuff

1419
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 3: we saw.

1420
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Speaker 7: Over the off season, we just kind of doll I

1421
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 7: wipe that.

1422
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Speaker 3: Just in general, I would say this, I think he

1423
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 3: has absolute potential to be a top ten quarter But where.

1424
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Speaker 1: Would you put him right now? That's all I'm saying. Twelve?

1425
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would too, I would put him in

1426
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 2: that territory. And I'm saying, do you is it time

1427
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 2: to give the ghost that you have the top three guy?

1428
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: Not yet?

1429
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 3: And that's all I'm saying, Yeah, just not yet. I

1430
01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 3: mean that that would be like ad But.

1431
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 2: By the way, you can win with the top ten

1432
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: quarterback obviously and many half so it's not the end

1433
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 2: of the world. I'm just saying him as the all

1434
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: world savior Peyton Manning type guy. Maybe that's the calibration

1435
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 2: that need or the recalibration that needs to be made.

1436
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 4: Yea, I need to I need to write the list down,

1437
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 4: and I feel like I'm lower on Lawrence and consensus,

1438
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 4: but maybe not in this room. I feel I think

1439
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 4: he's still in the top ten. He's probably right around

1440
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 4: nine or ten. And that's his play so far, and

1441
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 4: I think he can get back. I think he's he

1442
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 4: had a lot of good play last year that that

1443
01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:28,559
Speaker 4: they were not supporting him early in the season. But

1444
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 4: they are a weird team. I agree Mark that the

1445
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 4: need the needs aren't that screaming. They're a better version

1446
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 4: to me of the Broncos, where it's like they're average

1447
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 4: to good at most spots. Secondary to me is an

1448
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 4: especially cornerback is the biggest need.

1449
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 7: But they feel like.

1450
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 4: They solve something by signing Ark Armstead, but that you

1451
01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 4: know that's an older player with an injury last year,

1452
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 4: and so you need defensive lineman even if it's a

1453
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,560
Speaker 4: third edge with Walker and Alan, or if it's a

1454
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,919
Speaker 4: defensive tackle, and they would have loved to keep Bridley,

1455
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 4: so that receiver wasn't a need, but now you go

1456
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 4: into it with aany like. I think Lawrence is emblematic

1457
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 4: of this whole team. It's sort of in the middle.

1458
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 4: They spent a lot on the offensive line, and it's

1459
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 4: not a bad line, but they've spent a lot of

1460
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 4: resources for it to just be eh uh. And you

1461
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 4: know their guy, our guy Balki, our guy. You know,

1462
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 4: he survived a lot of different power struggles. Do you

1463
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 4: know who the coach was when Trent balk entered the

1464
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 4: building there.

1465
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 1: That'll be ridiculous.

1466
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 4: It was Doug Maroone, it was, you know, he was

1467
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 4: there with Moron my urban Meyer kept him around as like, okay,

1468
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 4: you can kind of be my guy who takes care

1469
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 4: of that side of things.

1470
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: Uh.

1471
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 4: Darryl Bebbll remember he was an interim head coach there

1472
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:41,919
Speaker 4: for a while and now he's still here with Peterson.

1473
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,080
Speaker 4: He had all those power struggles in San Francisco. He

1474
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 4: supposedly wants a team that's like bigger and tougher and

1475
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 4: stronger and faster than everyone. And I don't quite see that.

1476
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 4: They're they're very middle of the pack.

1477
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 1: Hmm. I agree.

1478
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: That's you know, it's time figure some things out there.

1479
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 2: All right, good stuff, let's a break and then we'll wrap

1480
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 2: things up. All right, we're back, and by the way,

1481
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 2: we're still you know, Colleen has been missing for about

1482
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 2: forty five to fifty minutes now, and it's I think

1483
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 2: where we're at now, Mark, it's gone from a search

1484
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,719
Speaker 2: and rescue to I hate to say this a search

1485
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: and recovery.

1486
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, I think part of the difficulty

1487
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 3: is that we're still, you know, locked in our chairs

1488
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 3: trying to produce the show while realizing that we've lost

1489
01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 3: our friend. And so we're going to shift into full

1490
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 3: investigation mode after the show. But if you can find

1491
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 3: the Delaware tapes, I believe we can find like a

1492
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 3: five foot one blonde.

1493
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:46,560
Speaker 4: There have been reports out there from various police scanners

1494
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 4: on the East side of Los Angeles that there's been

1495
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 4: witnesses to a young blonde woman talking about Quescia Dolfo

1496
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 4: Mensa's third year in his rebuild that that it's kind

1497
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 4: of go time. So I do feel like that might

1498
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 4: be a little bit of a clue for where to

1499
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 4: find her, just talking just on the street street street corner.

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Speaker 7: It's a little worriesing.

1501
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: Colleen has become like the gone girl of this podcast

1502
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:13,519
Speaker 2: over the last couple of weeks.

1503
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: We just got to find her and hope she's okay.

1504
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 2: All right, That is it for the Wednesday show, and

1505
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: we'll be back a little later in the week. As

1506
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 2: we said, we're gonna continue our draft wormhole and and

1507
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 2: really dig in on one of the most exciting positions

1508
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 2: or maybe the it depends quarterback wide receiver position groups

1509
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 2: in this draft, which is wide receiver.

1510
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,799
Speaker 1: So that's coming up later this week. Anything else to add.

1511
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:47,919
Speaker 9: Boys before we say goodbye, been a pleasure as always

1512
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 9: as always, and Mark again, not constructive criticism, but just

1513
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,040
Speaker 9: a suggestion about your background on remote.

1514
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 3: You have put it on my radar fully and I'm

1515
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 3: going to think about how to address it.

1516
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 2: Oh and let me underline this with my wife got

1517
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 2: back to me. The dog rescue place is Love Leo

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01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: Rescue if you are in the southern California area. It

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Speaker 2: is an incredibly run organization that really put the pet first.

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Speaker 2: Adopt a dog, save a life. Love Leo Rescue as

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Speaker 2: a non based profit based a nonprofit based in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: We believe all dogs deserve a second chance, so check

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Speaker 2: out Love Leo.

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Speaker 1: Rescue dot org. That's where I got my.

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Speaker 2: Beloved captain and they do amazing work, So check that out.

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Speaker 2: And until next time, he's the call. Where are you, Connie.

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Speaker 10: Hey, guys, thanks for listening to this episode of the

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Speaker 10: Around the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 7: I can't wait to do the same.

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Speaker 10: I'd like to thank producer Eric Roberts for going into

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Speaker 10: the office on an off day just so I'd have

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Speaker 10: everything I need to do the show remotely.

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Speaker 7: Eric, we tried our best.

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Speaker 10: To Greg, thanks for sending out the news items so early.

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Speaker 10: It's a true hero move.

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Speaker 7: You know me so well.

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Speaker 10: To Mark, my brother in anxiety, thanks for probably over

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Speaker 10: preparing today. You're always ready for anything and everything. I

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Speaker 10: just wish I could say that about my internet provider,

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Speaker 10: especially today. And to Dan who never stops believing that

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Speaker 10: my remote appearances could maybe work this time. You miss

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Speaker 10: all the shots you don't take, and we've taken a

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Speaker 10: whole lot of shots, so good times. Gang will reconvene

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Speaker 10: in studio to properly heed the call. And now I

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Speaker 10: gotta go.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go throw my computer into the sea.