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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio, George Nori with you. Doctor Simeon hindback with

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Speaker 1: us former university professor and statistics and research methods. He

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Speaker 1: came across the idea of remote viewing in nineteen eighty six,

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Speaker 1: somewhat skeptical, but as a result of the training surprisingly positive,

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Speaker 1: and it convinced doctor Hind that there is a large

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Speaker 1: area of scientific knowledge that has been withheld from public discussion. Subsequently,

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Speaker 1: he established the not for profit Institute for Residence and

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Speaker 1: began teaching remote viewing classes in Boulder, Colorado, and continues

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Speaker 1: to teach online. He also became interested in topics of

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Speaker 1: crop circles, unexplained area phenomena, and extraterrestrials. Doctor Simeon Hind

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Speaker 1: backed on Coast to Coast Simeon, welcome back, Hey George,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me here to late. Have you been

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Speaker 1: I've been really good. Yeah, thanks for asking perfect. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You and I I think we talked about two years

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Speaker 1: ago when you were here in Lillisville. Yeah, absolutely loved

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Speaker 1: that area. By the way, isn't it something else? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really beautiful. I want to get your reaction. You've been

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Speaker 1: following this story of these objects that we've shot down.

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Speaker 1: People are baffled by these things, I mean, hexagonal octagonal balloon, like, well,

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Speaker 1: what do you think's going on? Well, you know, these

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Speaker 1: sort of phenomena that defy sort of an obvious explanation

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Speaker 1: have been with us for decades, as our listeners know,

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Speaker 1: and it's just not surprising that we've ignored all, you know,

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Speaker 1: entire range of these phenomena. We've done some remote viewing

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Speaker 1: of these objects over the past couple of days, just

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Speaker 1: out of curiosity. What John Cover Well, I had one

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Speaker 1: of one viewer who refers to himself some listeners might know,

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Speaker 1: This was a blind target, and I gave him that

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Speaker 1: object that was shot down over Lake Huron, and what

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Speaker 1: he came up with is that this is some sort

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Speaker 1: well as being the air. And he said that they're

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Speaker 1: probably more of them than just the ones that have

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Speaker 1: been seen so far. It's some sort of data gathering

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Speaker 1: device that has a lot of advanced capabilities. And I

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Speaker 1: have a feeling Simeon that's been going on for years

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Speaker 1: I mean I think Chris Mellen posted an article on

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Speaker 1: a result of the TTSA efforts and his work with

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Speaker 1: Louisa Lasando, that the censors have been recalibrated on these aircrafts,

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Speaker 1: you know, the radar systems and so forth, so that

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Speaker 1: they're picking up more of these objects that have always

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Speaker 1: You wrote a book last year called Dark Matter Monsters,

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Speaker 1: Cryptid's Ball Lightning in the Science of Secret Life Form.

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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, well, George,

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Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned, I've been teaching remote viewing

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Speaker 1: And in the process of teaching people remote viewing here

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Speaker 1: Then he added something really interesting, George, that caught my attention.

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Speaker 1: He said it had paranormal abilities. That they had concluded

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Speaker 1: And these creatures have this ability to disappear at will,

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Speaker 1: and the same, simm Yeah, I think they are, George.

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Speaker 1: people have researched this, written books. It's all really the

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Speaker 1: So there's a real continuum here, and it's really interesting

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