1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Will you love basketball, golf, soccer or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, it's a Monday morning. 6 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring on Dave Juanstat, who is the great 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: football American storyteller. I've never met a coach who knows 8 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: more people. So there's a lot of stories out there 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: about the NFL and the new contracts that will be 10 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: announced this week. I got a sniff of what the 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: NFL did in regards of every network and what they're paying. 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: The NFL did fine. You know, I always laugh when 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: I see these stories. I roll my eye at oh. 14 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: NFL ratings are down, They're down four percent, folks, they 15 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: don't matter. The reality is Fox, NBC, CBS, and Disney, 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: Slash ABC. We're all on the content business. There's a 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: big tunnel and we need programming in the tunnel, and 18 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: the NFL is the one the singular American television products. 19 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: So anytime any critic, anybody on social media talks about 20 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: NFL ratings mute them. It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter. Listen, 21 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: the NBA isn't even close to the NFL. Baseball's not close. 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: But the reality is, if a major NBA contract was 23 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: up today, or a major baseball contract was up, how 24 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: do you think these networks survived. They have to have content. 25 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: They need four and five and six hours a night. 26 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: So the NFL is just in a different space where 27 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: they're the number one program on every network. They're number 28 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: one on Fox, on the NFL network, on ESPN, they 29 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: will be on ABC, CBS and NBC. I mean, they've 30 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: separated from everybody. But you know, when the contracts are signed, 31 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: the NFL will essentially get twice as much money as 32 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: the last contract. And these networks have been negotiating with 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: the NFL with their smartest attorneys and their smartest dealmakers 34 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: for the last two years. It doesn't matter do you 35 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: want it or not. The Thursday night broadcast is going 36 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: to go to Amazon. So the Thursday Night broadcast was 37 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: not part of this negotiations. Networks wanted to you know, 38 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: they wanted to get Sunday and Monday and Sunday Night 39 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: figured out. So Thursday Night's going to go to Amazon. 40 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: I assume it's a money loser for networks. You can't 41 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: make money on Thursday. It's just very, very difficult for 42 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: networks to make money on the Thursday. The NFL is 43 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: going to ask too much. So Amazon, which is obviously worth, 44 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, significantly more than any television network, and you know, 45 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: it's it's worth all the TV networks combined, probably times fifteen. 46 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: So Amazon's going to get into the Thursday night television business, 47 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: and I imagine they'll do a pretty good job. Jeff Bezos, 48 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: Seattle native. You know, he bought The Washington Post and 49 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: he likes content Amazon Prime, so he's going to get 50 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: himself into the sports business, and I look forward to it. 51 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: I think they'll be great. The more of the merrier. 52 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Dave Wanstat, one of my 53 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: favorite people, the great storyteller. Dave Wantstat, former Bears and 54 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: Dolphins coach a lot of Super Bowls with Jimmy Johnson 55 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: and Dallas Miami Hurricane national titles, the defensive guy, the 56 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: storyteller and coach Wantstats joining us. Let me let me 57 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: start with something because you have great stories. So when 58 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: you look at Jerry Jones today, do you see the 59 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: same Jerry or does he meddle more or do you 60 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: think there's been a little bit of change of personality 61 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: or do you feel like you're watching the same guy 62 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: you worked for and won Super Bowls for. No, I 63 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: believe that Jerry Jones right now has truly delegated authority 64 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: responsibility more than ever before to his son Stephen. And 65 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: Stephen Jones, you know, obviously played football and Jerry went 66 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: to Arkansas and they're smart guys, and so I think 67 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: that the end of the day, Jerry's gonna make the 68 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: final decision. But I think he's really try believe, and 69 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm talking to people down there, that he's trusting his 70 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: people around him to give him the best information. We 71 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: saw him on his yacht last year on draft Day, 72 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 1: and everybody made a joke that you know, they're making 73 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: the picks and he's calling the players Cebee Lamb on 74 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: the phone, and but but he hadn't he didn't have 75 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: a didn't have a draft book in front of him. 76 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: Well that's because, yeah, people were telling Jerry, they're giving 77 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: him information and at the end of the day, he's 78 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: a kind But no, I don't think I think he's 79 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: gotten better. I really honestly do so what Jimmy told 80 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: me one time, the first year, Jerry was just doing 81 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: business and Jimmy was doing football. Then that you guys 82 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: started winning titles and Jerry kind of encroached on it. 83 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: Were you ever in the draft rooms early on? I 84 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: never missed one. I was always sitting right next to Jimmy, 85 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I was kind of the troubleshooter 86 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: if he wanted to go get a coach, or go 87 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: get a scout, or he had the books. And uh 88 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: so I witnessed it all. I mean every trade that 89 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: was that happened there, and and the interaction that Jerry 90 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: and Jimmy had at that point, and uh and Jimmy's 91 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct. I mean Jerry then, you know, 92 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: he was just trying to sell T shirts and get 93 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: people in the stand. Really, I mean that that was 94 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: the mentality. And I think I remember we were heading 95 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: out for a jog and it was going into our 96 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: last year there, and we were pretty good, and we 97 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 1: used to always run right after Jimmy's press conference on Tuesday, 98 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: and there was about four of us, the inner Circle 99 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: we called it, and we would head out and we 100 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: would get more done on these walks and jogs than 101 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: we would get in a staff meeting, and to every 102 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: just kind of put their guard down. In fact, that's 103 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: when the herschel Walker decision was made. Two or three 104 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: years prior to that. It was coming back from a 105 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: jog I was talking about we were gonna beat the 106 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. We were oh at six I think 107 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: at the time, and they had Joe Montana and I 108 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: told Jimmy, I said, I feel good about this one. 109 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: And Jimmy said, feel good about this one. He said, 110 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: let me tell you something. He says, you better start 111 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: feeling good about the Texas A and m or LSU 112 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: job because I'm gonna have to be trying to get 113 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: one of those jobs because pieces we're gonna get run 114 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: out of this time. He says, you better get ready 115 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: for it. He says, we are not going to survive. 116 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: And so then the conversation come up, how are we 117 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: gonna get players? And we said, who do we have 118 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: on our roster that we could trade that anybody would want? 119 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: And we start going through all the players, and Troy 120 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: Aikman was the first name to come up. Troy had 121 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: a no trade on his contract, no trade. He was 122 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: a rookie. And then we got to herschel Walker, who 123 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: was still a good player. And so by four o'clock 124 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: that night, Jerry, you know, Jimmy had the Minnesota Vikings, 125 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,679 Speaker 1: and I believe it was the Cleveland Brons, both teams 126 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 1: kind of negotiating against each other to make the trade 127 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: for herschel Walker, and he traded him and we got 128 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: the draft picks and the rest is history. So my 129 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: point is this was a big part of us. So 130 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: we're getting ready to head out on a Tuesday, I 131 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: remember like yesterday, and we turned around and Jimmy said, 132 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: what's everybody setting up all these tables for? And someone said, well, 133 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: they're having a press conference. And Jimmy said, I just 134 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: had my press conference. And he says, no, no, no, 135 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: Jerry's having a press conference. And Jimmy said, Jerry's gonna 136 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: start having press conferences after I do. So that was 137 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: always said. We went about our business, and sure enough, 138 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: it might have been. The next week Troy through had 139 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: a bad game and threw a few interceptions, and Jimmy 140 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: and his press conference said, I don't care who it is, 141 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: if you turn the ball over, you can't play because 142 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna get beat. And he was talking about the 143 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: interceptions and that afternoon. Now it's time for Jerry's press 144 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: conference and Jerry gets up there and they said, Jimmy 145 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: said that it doesn't matter who it is, he's not 146 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: going to tolerate turning the football over. Troy had two 147 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: picks or whatever it was, and Jerry's response was, Oh, 148 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: Troy's fine, don't worry about Troy. And so so now 149 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: here we go, the gloves are on and innocently, you know, 150 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: here's the head coach. Jimmy you know, got in charge 151 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: of football, and Jerry's got an opinion. And that's what 152 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: the media lot. We all know that the media loves 153 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: when when things come off the rails. And now they've 154 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: got controversy, and that was kind of the beginning of 155 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: the end, Is I remember? Yeah? But you do if 156 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: you said again, you feel like now Jerry's doing is 157 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: he's kind of letting the guys run it. Yes, And 158 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: Jerry knows a lot more people now and I can 159 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: tell you this without getting the names that he confides 160 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: in people you know about his decisions. Obviously, now it's 161 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: the big decision is Dak Prescott. What are they going 162 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: to do with Dak Are they going to pay him? 163 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,479 Speaker 1: And how much and how long term? So he's wrestling 164 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: that right now. But Jerry. One thing I say about Jerry, 165 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: and I've been around this NFL a long time and 166 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of owners that they all say they 167 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: want to win. But Jerry, he talks to talk, but 168 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: he walks the walk, and he puts his money where 169 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: his mouth is, and he is willing to do whatever 170 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: it takes to win a Super Bowl. 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The reality of the NFL 188 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: is if you're coach for three years and you don't 189 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 1: have a winning season and you get fired. Gruden is 190 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: coach three years, two losing seasons in an eight and eight. 191 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: Their defense is still bottom five in the NFL. They 192 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: have the third best quarterback in their division. Let's be honest, 193 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: the last two years post Thanksgiving, they have regressed badly. 194 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: At this point, when do we look at it and 195 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: go the Gruden experiment is not working? Yeah? I think 196 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: that obviously. The relationship with John Gruden and the owner Davis, 197 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, Al Davis's son, It goes back to when 198 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: John was here the first time, and John maintained that 199 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: relationship our listeners, he maintained that relationship all along. So 200 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: that's how all this came about. I think he's got 201 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: good personnel people. I really believe. I think is GM 202 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: knows what he's doing. They're trying to do it the 203 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: right way. You know. Some of these picks that they've 204 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: they've had, I think have been good. Jacobs, the running back, 205 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: I think is an outstanding ending player. All I would 206 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: say is they better make it. They better did as 207 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: much as they can out of Derek Carr, because when 208 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: Derek Carr turns over, I think there could be a 209 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: big drop off. And if I was to say when 210 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: is the clock going to run out on John Bruden? 211 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: I think it runs out when when Derek Carr expires, 212 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: you know, and gets traded or whatever and they have 213 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: to start over, because I don't think that they're going 214 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: to have enough time to start over with a young 215 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: quarterback and then compete for Super Bowls. So Belichick probably 216 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: has the most power in the league and they are 217 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: struggling in drafts. Pete Carroll probably second now that Paul 218 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: Allen died in terms of power and his quarterback's not happy. Yeah, 219 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: Gruden probably has second or third most power, and the 220 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: Raiders are a little bit of a mess. Is it possible, 221 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, everybody wants power as a coach, but that 222 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: those three guys Pete, Bill and Gruden have too much 223 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: power and they need to delegate more, and they frankly 224 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: have too much saying personnel? Did you want saying personnel? 225 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: I had to say in personnel when I was at 226 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: the Dolphins because Don Shula had it, Jimmy had it, 227 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: and I had it. But I hired Rick Spillman and 228 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: I brought Rick with me from Chicago, put Ricky charge 229 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: of player personnel, and that's and I trusted his opinion. 230 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: Obviously I had the final stamp on it. But you 231 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: got scouts that are doing this for a living year 232 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: around twelve months a year, and you have to judge them. 233 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: And then we had our coaches involved. So I don't 234 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: know the structure that with Scruden doing. I do know 235 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: with Belichick that you know that certain positions he puts 236 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: a high priority on it. I do think this with 237 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: New England and Belichick, I believe this. You know they 238 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: had some key players offt out last year because of 239 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: the COVID. They're gonna be back next year. If Bill 240 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: Belichick makes a commitment right now, he's got signed or 241 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: a a couple high, big time offensive players. Uh, you know, 242 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: I think that they can bounce back. Quit. Now, who's 243 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: who's he gonna get a quarterback? If I'm a quarterback, 244 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: and I read some of the comments that that Matthew 245 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: Stafford would go anywhere except go play for Bill Belichick, 246 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: I think that's that makes no sense to me. To me, 247 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: that's stupid. I mean, you go play to New England, 248 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: You're gonna have a chance to win a Super Bowl. 249 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: I mean, as great as Tom Brady is. And I'm 250 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: a Tampa fan and I was with riding Tampa all 251 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: the way to the Super Bowl. Let me tell you something. 252 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: You know, Tom Brady's got the talent, but his his 253 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: football mind and the things that he does in the 254 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: huddle and the things that he does on the field 255 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: and why he won't turn the ball over and understanding 256 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: situation football. That's all Bill Belichick. And I think that 257 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: Bill has really gotten slighted for how good he is. 258 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: And if I'm if I'm a quarterback, I'm going to 259 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: New England because I think they're going to bounce back 260 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: in a hurry, in a hurry if he makes a 261 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: commitment to get a free agent playmaker on offense, receiver, 262 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: tight end, and a playmaker in the draft, He's got 263 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: to add a couple of guys. You have a place 264 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: in Chicago, you coach the Bears, you know the franchise. Well, 265 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: you can miss in scouting, you better not miss out quarterback. 266 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you can win games with Teddy Bridgewater and 267 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: Mitch Trubisky. Nobody disputes that, but none of you guys 268 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: are in it to win games. If you want to 269 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: keep your job, you gotta win. I mean, Andy Reid 270 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: got fired, Pete Carroll's been fired. You gotta win big games. 271 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: It feels like Chicago is one of those organizations, Dave. 272 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: They can't get quarterback right. They haven't gotten quarterback right forever. 273 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's institutional, I don't know, if 274 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: it's a tough town and they prefer their defense. I mean, 275 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: I mean, let's so, Stafford's off the market, Wentz is 276 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: off the market, Deshaun appears to be off the market. 277 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: Who would you go after if you ran the Bears? Hey, 278 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: Saint Gilman was a good quarterback for the Bears. Come on, 279 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, you're I was there six years and I 280 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: had six different starting quarterbacks. So I fall into that 281 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: sing and I had Jim Harball one year. Then we 282 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: signed Eric Kramer as a free agent from Detroit. We 283 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: didn't draft one, and then Eric got hurt, and we 284 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: had Steve Walsh is a free agent, and on and 285 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: on and on. You know, yes, you know, the easy 286 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: thing to say is you gotta go draft one high 287 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: so you can have a Deshaun Watson, okay, or you 288 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: can have a Patrick Mahomes. Well, they drafted one high 289 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: in Mitchell Tubisty, higher than both of those guys, and 290 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: it hasn't worked on So I think that you know, 291 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: right now, the Bears are looking to make a trade. 292 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean they are desperate at quarterback. I mean they 293 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: are gonna waste a really outstanding defense if they don't 294 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: get a quarterback. And right now it looks like Nick 295 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: Boles is going to be the guy. And and there's 296 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: a little bit falling what you said. You know, Chicago 297 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: does not mind winning a game ten to seven. So 298 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: if you can run the ball and play defense. The 299 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: real mindset of the people in Chicago, and I lived there, 300 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, win ten to seven, we don't 301 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: really care about the quarterback. It's easy to fall into 302 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: that trap. But obviously we know to win a super Bowl, 303 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: you gotta have one. And the Bears have missed in 304 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: free agents. The Bears have missed with draft picks, and 305 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: now they sit there and they don't pick till twentieth. 306 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: They're not gonna draft one at that point, so they've 307 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: got to get a free agent quarterback. You know, it's 308 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be a Marcus Mariotte or a backup guy. 309 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: And I don't think they sign is gonna be better 310 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: than Mitch your Bisky. That's my opinion. Yeah, you've always 311 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: been more pro Trubisky. You're your beliefs. You can. I mean, 312 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: he does have a winning record. You can win games 313 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: with him, but it does appear to be you when 314 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: you get a game better teams nor our limitations. Is 315 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: that fair? Absolutely, but you can. I think you can 316 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: win ten games with mister Risky if you run them 317 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: and get them out of the pocket. The guys, the 318 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: heck of an athlete put his stats up. When all 319 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: these guys were talking about all these quarterbacks, and I 320 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: do these radio shows in Chicago, I says, go ahead, 321 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: put his stats up, and put Sam Darnold's stats beside him, 322 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: you know. I mean these other quarterbacks take his stats 323 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: and put Carson one stats next to him. There's not 324 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: much difference. You know. Now you're gonna make a change 325 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: just to make a change because you want something new. 326 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: That's really what they're talking about doing. And unless you 327 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:40,239 Speaker 1: can get you know, Deshaun Watson or what's his name, 328 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. That now, I'm all on board. But other 329 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: than that, I don't see there being much change. I 330 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: really don't. You coach the Dolphins for years and you're 331 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: in Miami with the Hurricanes and Jimmy So listen, it's 332 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: pretty obvious from the reports they benched two or twice 333 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: last year. He threw for under one hundred yards three times. Um, listen, 334 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: if you can get him to move a little bit 335 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: off platform, he's pretty limited as an athlete and a thrower. 336 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: He's accurate when he's got lots of time to throw. Um. 337 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: You know, I contend that I see the games, but 338 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: they see practice, and if they have these misgivings about him, 339 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: they're seeing two it practice, you know, and they're just 340 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: saying he's a very limited guy. Um, did you ever? 341 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 1: I mean, you you can have games, Dave right, But 342 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: do you ever did you ever make evaluations just watching 343 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: practice on guys and say, listen, guys, he's not it 344 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: he you know, he's You have to make decisions like 345 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: that all the time. And personnelity. My gut is that 346 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: they're seeing a lot of TWA that we don't see 347 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: and it gives them real pause. That's what my gut feeling. Yeah, 348 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: it might be, you know. And and I talked you know, 349 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: Chan Gaily, who was the offensive coordinator and resigned after 350 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: this year. Chan and I are good friends. Was my 351 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator at the Dolphins with Jay Fiedler, and then 352 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: I went and worked for Channel when he was a 353 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,959 Speaker 1: head coach of Buffalo. And I can tell you this 354 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: that everything that they're doing downe there with Brian Floyd's 355 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: the head coach, it's it's duplicate just what Bill Belichick did. 356 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: And you know, for years Bill Belichick won with defense 357 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: and running the ball, and your quarterback was kind of 358 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: a game manager, and those times have changed. I agree 359 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: with you, but I think they they I think two 360 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: is too young. I would not jump to conclusions with 361 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 1: this kid because I know what type of person he 362 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: is and I know his work ethic, and when you 363 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: have a guy that's got enough talent and he has 364 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,479 Speaker 1: those type of intangibles, I think you got to give 365 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: him some time. I really do. And I don't think 366 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: you can can jump the gun on him. They got 367 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: some good picks, add some better players around them, and 368 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: I think that you crossed the quarterback bridge after at 369 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: least another year. Ry Bradshaw, I mean Terry Bradshaw, it 370 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: was his fifth year. It was Troy. I was in Pitts. 371 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: I was a pick coaching. When Terry they were gonna 372 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: run him out of Pittsburgh as second year. They said 373 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,960 Speaker 1: he'd never played. Troy Aikman. I was with Troy the 374 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: whole time, and it was really Troy's third year. When 375 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 1: Troy Aklan everybody said, wow, look at this so and 376 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: I know everyone says, oh, these quarterbacks can play sooner. 377 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: Nowadays you know what they can play if you want 378 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: to throw those quick, little five yard passes. But as 379 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: far as getting guys in and out of good plays 380 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: and the bad plays, and avoiding the blitz and making 381 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: checks and knowing situations, it takes time. It truly does. 382 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: It's not as easy as with somebody's you know, quarterback 383 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: gurus would would like to think. You know, it is 384 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: interesting where you know, Russell Wilson now wants a greater 385 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: say in play calling Tom Brady at the end of 386 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: New England he wanted a bigger saying play calling. You 387 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: tell me as a coach, was Jimmy willing to give 388 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: that up to Troy at some point? Were you ever 389 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: willing to give up some of that? Oh? You know what, 390 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: I don't think give it up. I mean these players 391 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: now keep it. This whole Russell Wilson things got me 392 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: a little bit baffward. And I'll tell you why. The 393 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is no longer there, you know, so it's 394 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: not like he's walking in. You know, Shottenheimer was the 395 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. He's gone, So you know, what are they 396 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: gonna do on offense? And I would be shocked if 397 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: knowing the type of person and knowing Pete Carroll, he's 398 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: a people person, he's communicator. That's stuff that he does best. 399 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: You know, I would have a tough time believing that 400 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: he didn't sit down with Russell Wilson and talk about 401 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: what's good and what's bad. And I, you know, I 402 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: just hope that Russell and they were good and earlier 403 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: in the year, and guess what they were doing. They 404 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: were running the ball at Seattle when they kind of 405 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: pout backed off the running game because of a couple 406 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: of injuries, and it was all Russell. They struggle. So 407 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: maybe there's a little bit of frustration there with Russell 408 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: on his part too. I don't know, but it's just 409 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: so out of character. And the thing that bothers me 410 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: is when they go public like this, when you go 411 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: public and you start criticizing the team and you start 412 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: critics I have an interview by one of his offensive lineman. 413 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't pretty with Russell will at Seattle. I mean, 414 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 1: they didn't appreciate that talking about how much he's being 415 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: hit and all this stuff. We know that everybody knows 416 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: that that should be in house stuff. So you know, 417 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I And this year at Tampa, you know, 418 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: I talked to the guys at Tampa. Tom Brady was 419 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: having problems getting hit, talked about it on our show, Colin, 420 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: and so he went and told Bruce, you want me 421 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: to throw the ball down the field, you gotta keep 422 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: gronking and block and give me more time and I'll 423 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field, Bruce Airing meets him halfway, 424 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: Gronk starts to be blocking. They do a lot more 425 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: play action. Pas goes way up As a result, Tom 426 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: starts hitting those passes down the field. So there's gotta 427 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: be give and take. Would I do that? I mean, 428 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: we always had the game plan. I mean every place 429 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: I've been and we did it. We did at Chicago Miami. 430 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: I would give that game plan and sit down with 431 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator two days before and I would say, Okay, Russell, 432 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: what do you like And there's something on here that 433 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: you really don't like. If you don't, we're not going 434 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: to call it. We'll scratch it right now. And I think, 435 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, so I don't know what. After the fact, 436 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: you know that's not good. I don't like that. And hey, 437 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: Drew Brees, we're talking about Troy and Terry Broadshaw. Drew Brees. 438 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: I remember when I was at the Dolphins and he 439 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: was with the Chargers. We went out there and played him. 440 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, we beat him bad. And 441 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: Drew Brees was just a guy at that time. And 442 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, he makes the trade. He 443 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: gets going at New and he becomes you know, a 444 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, a great player, so you know it 445 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: takes some time. That's what a category I would put 446 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: two in right now. And as far as the Russell 447 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: Wilson's in the world and how much say so and 448 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: you go in there, I think you meet halfway. What 449 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: your stuff has to be legitimate. You know, Tom Brady 450 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: went in and said stuff that was factual. Just don't 451 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: go in because you're frustrated and you want to change 452 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: the game plan. I mean, that's not going to work. 453 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: So the whole thing in Seattle really kind of has 454 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: me on my heels a little bit because I know 455 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: Pizza a good communicator, and I know what type of 456 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: person Russell Wilson is. But it's not good right now. 457 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: Maybe money's behind it all. I don't know. So you know, 458 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: we're a few weeks from free agency. Even these Matt 459 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: Stafford Carson Wentz deals aren't official yet. When you were 460 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: with the Bears of the Dolphins or Jimmy and Dallas, 461 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: a large percentage of free agents, Dave, they with they 462 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: don't work for your culture. They look good somewhere else, 463 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: you bring them in and they just don't fit. Were 464 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: you apprehensive? Did you you know in Miami and Chicago 465 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: when it was your say, would you rather draft and 466 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: develop or did you go after a couple? Did you 467 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: have some hits? Did you have some missus? You're always 468 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: going to have some missiness. I remember our first year 469 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: at Dallas. We when they called a Plan B back then. 470 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: But it was free agency and it started, and man, 471 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 1: these players are out there and and we thought we were. 472 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: We thought we were. It was Christmas, we were kids 473 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: at Christmas time. We said, oh, well, we'll sign him, 474 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: Jimmy and we're running in with the waverer so and 475 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: so just start released. Let's go sign him. Well, here 476 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: comes these players in and the one guy's walking down 477 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: the hall and he's got a limp, and we said, 478 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: this guy can't even he's got a limp. We just 479 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: play the money. You know, this guy can't work out, 480 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: and we said it's time to go work out in 481 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: the wait room. He said, I can't. My shoulders not 482 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: I mean. And so we came to a conclusion. We 483 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: came to the conclusion that most of these guys that 484 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: are free agents and hear what I'm saying now, you 485 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: know the team that's releasing them from letting him be 486 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: a free agent. They know more about him than anybody else, 487 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: and there must be an issue. So when we would 488 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: sign free agents, we always took the approach, Okay, we're 489 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: gonna do our research as everybody does, but we're not 490 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: going to overpay for this guy, and we're gonna bring 491 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 1: him in. And and we never really had high expectations. 492 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: If he was better than the guy that we had, Okay, 493 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: we were a better football team, no question about it. 494 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: You know, now he might go we may have a 495 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: D player there, and all of a sudden, we sign 496 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: a CE free agent. That's a positive. It made us 497 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: a better football team. But we weren't going to pay 498 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: a lot of money. But you know, you can get 499 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: carried away in every coach and I hear this crap. 500 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: Now everybody thinks that they can coach this kid. I 501 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: heard it with one of these quarterbacks. Oh we'll get 502 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: him squared away, we'll get him, you know, throwing the 503 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: ball better, and we'll make his footwork better. That's a 504 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: bunch of cramp I mean that sounds good, you know, 505 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: that's that's the stuff you say at the coaches clinic. 506 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: I'm serious. Some guys sitting in the front row with 507 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,919 Speaker 1: a notebook and he's writing all this stuff done. You know. 508 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: Now he's got a guatt and he can't score any points. 509 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: He says, God, I thought it was easier in this, 510 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: you know, but no, seriously, you know it's it's uh 511 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: there there. Now there's the Reggie Whites, and there's the 512 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: Brett Barks. And I traded for Ricky Williams, you know, 513 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,120 Speaker 1: you know, and and Ricky was a great player for me. 514 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: So we have signed some, but majority of them are 515 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: upgrade players. You know, they're not going to be the 516 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: difference maker to take you to Super Bowl. So you 517 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: are also a very good recruiter. You found Aaron Donald, 518 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: you found Darrell Reevs, you found Shady McCoy. You you've 519 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: always had a knife for personnel, and uh it's and 520 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: I think it's sometimes in eight some guys actually have 521 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: a really good eye for personnel. Jimmy Johnson, by the way, 522 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: I had a good eye for personnel as well. So 523 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: you two together, you know, we're obviously very dynamic. You 524 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: go back to your drafts at this point, now you 525 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: kind of know who you like, what you need. At 526 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: this point, you're putting some stuff together. Is there anything 527 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: in the draft process that you thought was a little underrated, 528 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: Your thoughts about combines, personal workouts. Was there stuff you 529 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: thought was stuff you thought was overrated. I always had 530 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: a feeling and when I was recruiting, you know, trying 531 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: to get these you mentioned Aaron Donald, and you know, 532 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald did have very many offers. But I would 533 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: always tell my coaches this, and my scouts, get me 534 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: players that do things that we don't have to coach. 535 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: And they would look at me like, and I says, 536 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: because if we got to go out there and say 537 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: step with this but and use this hand, and then 538 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: someone's gonna be running by it, it's too late. Get 539 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: me players, is it? Do things that we don't have 540 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: to coach. In other words, get those playmakers, Get those 541 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: athletes that can do things that have the god given 542 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: ability that they don't need to be told every step. 543 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: And that's Leashan McCoy. I mean, I remember, we're playing 544 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: Notre Dame and you know, and we're gonna run this Pirates. 545 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: It's the longest game in Notre Dame history and pit 546 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: football history. We're playing up at soth Bend. It's tie. 547 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: We're in the fourth overtime, the sprinklers even came on 548 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: because they were on a timer. The game's going so long, 549 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: and the fans are the fans are hanging off the rafters. 550 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: It's National TV. You know, it's a great game. So 551 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: we kind of cross. We're down in there and overtime 552 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: and we call our best play and it's an inside 553 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: run with Shady McCoy and we're just gonna try to 554 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: make two yards and we're gonna try a long field goal. 555 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: And we call a play and Shady takes one step 556 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: and runs to the outside, make somebody miss, runs down 557 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: to the fifteen yard line. We score, We kicked a 558 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: field goal, and we beat Notre Dame. And after the game, 559 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: I went up to him. I said, now, Shady, that 560 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: was an inside play. You were supposed to run that 561 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: thing between the guard center. Why did you run out there? 562 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 1: And he looks at me and says, because nobody was 563 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: out there, you know. So you know, we always talked 564 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: about that, and I can't remember. Going back to Jimmy. 565 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: There was a kid that was I wouldn't mention his name. 566 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: He was a first round draft pick and he was 567 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: as good a looking player to this day as you 568 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: would ever see physically, and he could run fast, and 569 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,959 Speaker 1: he was tough. And we were sitting in there and 570 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: I said, you know, we should really consider this guy. 571 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: Jimmy said, throw his stats up there, and we put 572 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: his stats for his whole college career. And I think 573 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: the guy had seven sacks that might have been eight. 574 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: And Jimmy said, this guy's got seven sacks for his 575 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: whole career. He says, we did guys at Miami Cortez 576 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: Kennedy and Russell Marion get seven sacks in a game. 577 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: He said, this guy's got seven sacks on the year 578 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: and his career. He says, day he doesn't make enough plays. 579 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: And I says, you're right, So we took him off 580 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: the board. Get guys that make plays, get guys that 581 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: do things. Yeah, do you ever miss the personnel? I mean, 582 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: I know you'd love to coach games. The practice wears 583 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: you out, the owners, all that nonsense. The personnel thing, 584 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: to me, would would you if somebody called and said, hey, 585 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: can you just be part of our drafting process with 586 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: that interest? You? Uh? Not? Really? I mean I never 587 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: the personnel was I never got into it like Jimmy did. 588 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I relied on people, but I mean, I 589 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. But if you ask me to go coach 590 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: and and win games that way, I'll do that tonight. 591 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I still you know, I mean that that's 592 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: coach with my passion, and I think everybody you know, 593 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: sometimes coaches get bored and over a period of time 594 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: and they move into the personnel or they get tired 595 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: of the personnel and they really want to coach, you know. 596 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: So I think some of these guys that have been 597 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: around a long time that that can happen. It can happen, 598 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: But not me. I've always enjoyed the coaching. That's where 599 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: you have the interaction with the players, you know, That's 600 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: that's what I always Yeah, what do you do? I 601 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: think Kyle Shanahan's got a roster. I like him. The 602 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: troubling part about Garoppolo, there was a lot of rumors 603 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: about him, and now John Lynch came out and said 604 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: he's going nowhere. My concerned Dave. He gets hurt in 605 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: week two, week three, in week two three of the 606 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: last four years, he forget about getting hurt in week 607 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: sixteen or week fourteen. He's out by September fifteenth. Are 608 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: there some guys they're just DNA. They're not built for 609 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: a season, Dave. They're just not built for it. Absolutely, 610 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: there's no question about it. And that was always something 611 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: particularly sometimes we would overlook stuff from guys coming out 612 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: of colleges, but the minute they get to the NFL, 613 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: injury was always a big topic for us. It truly was. 614 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: And when you go back to even two up, that 615 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 1: was the only thing that I really heard from people 616 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: coming out was his injuries going back to high school 617 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: and then he got hurt at Alabama and there was 618 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,879 Speaker 1: concerns could he stay healthy in the NFL. Uh So, 619 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: now you got Garoppolo with the injuries. Uh, you know, 620 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure in the back of their minds that and 621 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: in the back of his mind that that's a concern 622 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: for him, There's no question about it. But the style 623 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,919 Speaker 1: of offense and what they do, I mean, they they've won. 624 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: When they went to the Super Bowl, they were they 625 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: were one of the top teams, first or second in 626 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,240 Speaker 1: the league in rushing, and they were playing great defense. 627 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: They were a top defensive team, and Garoppolo was kind 628 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: of a game manager. And that's the situation that they 629 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: put them in and that's how they used them. Nothing 630 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: the matter with that, I think, you know, I think 631 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: that's going to be their plan. I mean, they know 632 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: right now more than anybody what they can do with 633 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: him physically and what they can and they're going to 634 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,920 Speaker 1: try to keep them healthy and get the most on them. 635 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: Dave wants that joining us in the Colin Coward Podcast 636 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: on a Sunday night airs Monday morning. Thanks for stopping by. 637 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: When college football has changed. It used to be there 638 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,760 Speaker 1: was one signing period. Now there's two. And I always 639 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: had this feeling that and you've done both that for 640 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: quality of life and control, I'd prefer college football. For 641 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: intellectual challenges, I'd prefer the NFL, and that you'd have 642 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: to I think you can be very happy in both. 643 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: I do wonder though, that with now two recruiting periods 644 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: at the college level, there's really no time off. Recruiting 645 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: is three hundred and sixty days a year, and I 646 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: do wonder, Dave, if there's a lot of these college 647 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: coaches that are thinking of themselves, well, what's the point. 648 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I you know these big colleges. Now, 649 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,120 Speaker 1: Tom Herman went four and oh and bowl games at Texas. 650 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: They ran them out. And I do wonder if if 651 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 1: some of these good college coaches now at James Franklin, 652 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: Ryan Day at Ohio State, where they think Brian Kelly's 653 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: probably a little old generationally. But if you were coaching 654 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: today and you looked at it the landscape of recruiting, 655 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: what would you choose if given the option a great 656 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,959 Speaker 1: college job like Steve Sarkisian at Texas or a great 657 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: NFL job like the Bears. I would go NFL without 658 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,799 Speaker 1: a doubt. You've mentioned two things. One the recruiting. I mean, 659 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: they're offering players now in ninth and tenth grade. I 660 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: mean that is drastically I mean, and it's it's crazy 661 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: because these kids, you know, there's some much time to 662 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: change their minds, but yet you've got to stay on them, 663 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 1: and you've gotta be calling them, and you've gotta be 664 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: talking to them, and you've gotta be doing all the 665 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: recruiting stuff. And now they're gonna get into this player 666 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: license lightning where now you're gonna be able to you know, 667 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: their players are going to get money for their image 668 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: being used on posters and T shirts and so forth. 669 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, once that becomes real and it's going to 670 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean that's gonna be another burden on college coaches. 671 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: So you got the recruiting year around, as you said, 672 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: with no time off, and then it's it's difficult. I 673 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: mean it's it's really difficult. You know. The in the NFL. 674 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: Here here's the difference. When I took the Bear's job, 675 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: Don Shula told me this, he says, Dave, remember this. 676 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: He says. In college, you know, you've you've got the ad, 677 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: you've got the president, you've got a board of trustees, 678 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: got a lot of people that you gotta try to 679 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: keep happy, he said. But in the NFL, the most 680 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: number most important person is the owner. The second most 681 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 1: import person is the owner. The third most important person 682 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: is the owner. And that's true. I mean, if you 683 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 1: can build up, if you get a good pro job 684 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: and you build up a relationship with your owner and 685 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: he believes you're doing the right things, I think the 686 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: NFL is the way to go. I really do. And 687 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: the college game because of its expansion, and they're paying 688 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: colleges more, there are no question about that, they're paying 689 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: them more. But I think the NFL is a way 690 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: to go as far as dealing with dealing with an 691 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: owner less people and still having a chance to coach. 692 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,360 Speaker 1: And that's that's why we get any profession to coach. Yeah, 693 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: when you were at Miami, obviously you guys could recruit 694 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,439 Speaker 1: like Broward County. So not only did you have only 695 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: only one recruiting period, but a lot of your talent 696 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: was seventy five miles away. Was it easy? I mean, 697 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: when you were building those powerhouses, was it easy to 698 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,919 Speaker 1: coach the Canes? It was? But I'll tell you what. 699 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,360 Speaker 1: We we had a philosophy, unless it was a quarterback, 700 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,719 Speaker 1: we were only gonna go six hour drive in a 701 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: car from Coral Gables from our campus. I mean, so 702 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: that was and we went. We got on a plane, 703 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: we went and flew god Vinnie Testaverdi, you know, out 704 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: of New Jersey. We got Steve Walsh out of Minnesota. 705 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,439 Speaker 1: But we we and we couldn't be even though we 706 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: I mean I was there the whole time I was there. 707 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: We lost one regular season game the Notre Dame by 708 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: one point. I mean, we never lost, but uh, but 709 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: we did. We recruited players that Florida and Florida State 710 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: and Alabama Notre Name didn't want, but we felt like 711 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: they were playmakers, that they were good athletes, and they 712 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: came in and we had a culture there that the 713 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,839 Speaker 1: players brought into and we just believed that we were 714 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: gonna win. And a lot of times we took a 715 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: lesser talent, That's the point I'm trying to make and 716 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: really and developed this kid in the be I'm a 717 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: better player. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah. Now, now we were good. 718 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean it was, it was pretty good. I mean, 719 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: I uh, I tell a lot of stories. In fact, 720 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: I was dining the keys last weekend with Jimmy and 721 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: we got laughing and we were laughing so hard. I 722 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: mean we were crying, just telling old war stories and 723 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: and the one came up and he and he said, 724 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: I still can't believe. And you didn't even come out 725 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: of the press box for the Nebraska Orange Bowl, and 726 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: I said, I told you they weren't gonna score. Now, 727 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,000 Speaker 1: keep in mind, we're this this was the last game 728 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: that we coached at the University in Miami and we're 729 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 1: playing Nebraska. We were number three in the country. I 730 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: think they were number five. Turner Gill was their quarterback, 731 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: you know, tom Os. I mean, they had a heck 732 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 1: of a team and we're playing in the Orange Bowl. 733 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,800 Speaker 1: And Uh, and we had the year before that, buddy 734 00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,240 Speaker 1: Ryan Uh called up and he was interested in Jerome 735 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: and he ended up drafting with the first pick, and 736 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: he wanted to come down and work out Jerome Brian 737 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,160 Speaker 1: at the University of Miami. And so Jimmy says, hey, Buddy, 738 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: Ryan's coming down, and I said, hey, bring up the 739 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: buddy that if we're gonna spend time talking about Jerome Brun, 740 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: he needs to spend some time talking about the bared defense. 741 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,399 Speaker 1: I want to learn the bared defense. So Buddy was great. 742 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: Buddy came down and we spent the day on the chalkboard. 743 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: And so now I got this folder. I'm ready with 744 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: the bared defense. We practice it, and you know, we 745 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: were so good and we never even used it. I mean, 746 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,799 Speaker 1: and so now we get into the bull game and 747 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 1: I remember paging through my notes and I'm saying, Okay, Nebraska, 748 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: I said, you know, why the heck don't we pull 749 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: out the bared defense. This would be fun. So we 750 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,320 Speaker 1: practiced the bear and we're gonna spring this on Nebraska. 751 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,840 Speaker 1: Well we did, and it was it was just a 752 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: train wreck. I mean, you know, they weren't making first time. 753 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: So generally going into halftime. For our listeners, what happens 754 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 1: is I will be in the press box and Butch 755 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 1: Davis and another coach would be on the sidelines, and 756 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: we would talk about these are the run adjustments we 757 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: gotta make, these are the passes. Get a drawn up 758 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: on the board. I'll be down at halftime. We'll get 759 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,839 Speaker 1: everybody together, we'll make sure, I'll chalk it all up. 760 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: We'll be good. We'll go. So now we get close 761 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: to the half and I said, but says, what are 762 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: you thinking. I says, I'm looking anything. These guys can't score. 763 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,959 Speaker 1: We're just they can't block us, they can't figure this out. 764 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: And so and so Dave's Campo, who was longtime coach. 765 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: Campo sitting next to me, and he says, hey, you 766 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,879 Speaker 1: know who's playing at halftime. I said who? He said, 767 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,399 Speaker 1: your favorite group? I said the Temptations. He said yes. 768 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: I said, hey, get Jimmy on the phone. So Jimmy 769 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: gets on. I said, hey, coach, I says, I'll come 770 00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,360 Speaker 1: down there at halftime if you want me to. But 771 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: I really don't have any saying. These guys aren't gonna score. 772 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,839 Speaker 1: And he said really, And I says, yeah, I says, 773 00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 1: you know, we're good butchers down there. He's gone him. 774 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: I says this, well, it's really proud of this one's book. 775 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 1: So he says, okay, you know, and I know Jimmy 776 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: if he says okay in that tone. As soon as 777 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: he says that, bam, it's halftime. The I tell Dave 778 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: Campbell go get us some food. And they're playing, and 779 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm kind of rocking my girl, my girl, you know 780 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: what's going back and forth and tempts her into it. 781 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 1: And Bob Trumpy and Don Crickey are doing the Orange 782 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: Bowl and they walk by the booth and they see 783 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: me sitting in there, and I'm kind of going back 784 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: and forth and and Bob Trumpy and I because they 785 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,800 Speaker 1: had so many of our games, we were kind of friends. 786 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: And he's outside these motion for me coaching. Can I 787 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: see a second? So I get up and walk on. 788 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: I said, what's up, Bob? He says, I don't know 789 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: how to say this. Did you get fired? What are 790 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: you doing in the press? Boss? I said, no, I 791 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 1: wanted to see the temptations. I said, keep in mind 792 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: he's got a nonsense and half. I said, Bob, these 793 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 1: guys aren't gonna score on us. So he just kind 794 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: of rubs his head and goes and sits down. And 795 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: I think we beat him thirty thirty one to three. 796 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 1: They kicked the field goal or something. That's funny. Yeah, 797 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: So it may be the only game, major game of 798 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: a two top ten teams where we didn't even have 799 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: a halftime. Jimmy yelled at him or got him stirred up, 800 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: and I stayed up and listened to the temptations. Did 801 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: Jimmy ever get mad at you? You guys are close? 802 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. You know. I mean 803 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: we would uh yeah, I mean we would come up 804 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: with stuff and and you know, be trying it and 805 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 1: he'd said, I don't I don't like it. And I said, 806 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,480 Speaker 1: well I think it'll work where you got a chance, 807 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 1: and he'd come back. Now, you know what, you may 808 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: like it, but damn it, yeah I don't want to 809 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 1: do it, you know or whatever you knew it was. 810 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: It was good. We we were we were We always communicated. 811 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,120 Speaker 1: But uh but Jimmy was great. He was fantastic. And 812 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: like I said, we still talk once a week at least. Oh. 813 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that, all right, great stuff 814 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,239 Speaker 1: Dave Juan stat what an absolute pleasure. You're a great storyteller, 815 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: and I could talk canes and cowboys stories. Now you 816 00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: are in Naples right now, and I am in Naples 817 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: right now. I played golf today and I had a 818 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: little a couple of cough gails here with a couple 819 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: of my buddies and came up here. I'm in the 820 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: boardroom at the Rich Carlton doing your show. Think about that. 821 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: That's why I've been there before. Are you at the 822 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,600 Speaker 1: beach Ritz or the golf Rits? Got the golf Rits? Yea, 823 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: yeah there. It's a beautiful part of the country. I 824 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 1: used to have a house there, had to sell it 825 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,759 Speaker 1: when I moved to la and it's the only piece 826 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,920 Speaker 1: of property in my life i sold and regret. I 827 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: absolutely love Naples, love it my wife and I. It's 828 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:51,160 Speaker 1: just so much fun, the people. It is a fast story. 829 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 1: So folks. One time I'm talking to Dave about Naples 830 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: and we're just talking about Naples, and I told him 831 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,439 Speaker 1: I had a house and he's like, oh really, I said, 832 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: oh God, I love Naples. I said, man, I get up, 833 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: I go run, I work out, and then I go 834 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,160 Speaker 1: to this place there was one place I loved. I said, God, 835 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: there was this place called Handsome Harry's, and Dave goes, yeah, 836 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: I owned it. Oh well, you were Handsome Harry. And 837 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 1: then I said, what happened? And then you told me 838 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,440 Speaker 1: some story about the other guy who owned it out 839 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 1: on the up and up, and you don't have it anymore. Correct, No, 840 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 1: that's true. And I could walk to it from where 841 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: I live downtown there, so I was. I love that place. 842 00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 1: And yeah, I was probably sitting at the other end 843 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,480 Speaker 1: of the bar when you and your wife were there. 844 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: I didn't even know you yet. I was the guy 845 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,439 Speaker 1: smoked on a cigar. I used to smoke cigars here. Then. Yeah, absolutely, 846 00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: one of my favorite people. Coach. Great seeing you go 847 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: hang out with your wife and have a great Sunday night. 848 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,439 Speaker 1: All right, be safe, bye bye. Remember to follow us 849 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,239 Speaker 1: on social media at The Volume Sports on Twitter and Instagram, 850 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,879 Speaker 1: rate review, and hit that subscribe button where ever you 851 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: listen to podcasts, have yourself a great week. I could 852 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,200 Speaker 1: talk to Day on stat for hours. The dude just 853 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: makes me laugh. I love him. Thanks for listening. The 854 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: Volume